the hail and rain and everything in between. i'm glad everybody is here. wanted to call the mote to order. call the roll. >> president ajami. >> here >> vice president maxwell. >> here >> paulson. >> here. >> rivera. >> here. >> commissioner stacy. >> you have a quorum.

>> covid-19 health emergency given the recommendation issued by the san francisco public health. emergency orderses concerning social distance thanksgiving meeting is held teleconferenced for those watching live stroll there is a time lag with the live meet and that is viewed. thank you to sfgovtv staff for assistance. if you wish to ment on an item dial 415-655-0001. access code: 2496 495 7376 ## to raise your hands press star 3. limit your comment to the topic unless general public comment if you don't stay on topic the chair will interrupt you.

public comment made in a respectful manner and refrain from profanity. address your remarks to the commission as a whole. if you have not done so silence your electronic device. before i call the first item. san francisco puc acknowledges it owns and stewards of the unceded lands in the historic territory of the tribe and historic federal recognized mission san jose [inaudible]. the puc recognizes every citizen in the great bay area has and continues to benefit from the use and occupation of the tribes of the lands since before and after the san francisco puc

founding in 1932. it is important that we not only recognize the historic lands which we reside but also acknowledge and honor the fact that the people have established a working partnership with the puc and are productive members in the greater san francisco bay area communities today. >> madam secretary. first item. >> item 3 adopt findings legislation to allow hybrid in person meetings. director the secretary to agendize a similar resolution in the next 30 days. >> member who is wish to make comment on item 3 press star 3, access code: 2496 495 7376 ## do we have comment on item 3? any callers with hands raised.

>> there are no callers. public comment on item 3 is closed. >> can i have a motion and second on item 3. >> move to approve. >> please. roll call. president ajami. >> yes. >> vice president maxwell. >> yes. >> commissioner paulson and rivera. >> aye. >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. call the next item. >> item 4 approval of the minutes of december 13 of 22. >> any comments or questions? can we have the public comment? >> member who is wish to make 2 minutes of remote comment on item 4 the minutes of december 13th press star 3 to speak. do we have callers with hands

raised? >> there are 2 callers in the queue. >> this is on the minutes. can you hear me now? >> i'm dave warner from palo @y changes to the minutes on item 9. rule 16 add public comment was moved. it was a change to the public and was a change the commission and put it back to where it was. second prior to public comment add the president ajami asked for questions and discussion and there was none other than stacy thanking everyone for work and only 10 minutes on this item includes 2 public comments. this is an important addition to the minutes following stacy's comments president ajami said, [inaudible] hours helping to listen to everybody and to make sure we consider concerns and questions. way this item was handled was a

brown act issue. it requires that government business conducted in open and public meetings and based on california policy people must be informed keep control over their government. the states that serial meetingers a violation if make multiple contacts the president ajami statements makes this sounds this occurred. the result was no reason for why comment was moved to the end other than stream lining. did commissioners feel strongly about it. i don't know. it is important for the context and left to our imagination why they were made.

this public comment specific to the minutes. >> next caller. i have opened your line. >> eileen coalition for san francisco neighborhoods. i was not on the commission call on december 13th when item 9 was heard. based on the draft minutes the revisions to the commission rowels of order for rule 16 was based on the desire to optimize the use of staff time. staff is paid and members of public are volunteers. this seems to confirm that the perception the puc important customer is itself. it is a common practice to place general public comment at the end of the agenda to avoid supervisors and because most items on the full board agenda

have been heard in committee with public comment taken there. >> the puc has no committee most -- committee as we see government is the [inaudible] of which the puc is a voting member. the general public comment agenda item is always in the agenda. this is [inaudible] makes the general public comment inconvenient as possible. this is the [inaudible]. >> thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. next caller you have 2 minutes to comment on item 4 the agenda minutes. >> thank you this is [inaudible] commenting on the number 9 the moving of the public comment

section in the meeting to the back of the meeting is a bad idea and does not serve the public well. >> sir. i'm sorry. >> sir i will sfop you sir being excuse me. this if you have specific comments on the minute this is is president ajami we would love to hear this if you see an error or change in the minutes from last meeting if you have comments on the changes that have been made do call back during the public comments which is scheduled later in the agenda. thank you. there are 4 callers in the queue. >> thank you. >> i opened your line. approval of the minutes.

>> hello? yes. good afternoon. i'm mary. san francisco resident for over 30 years. regarding item 9 on the december 13th agenda. commission should not make it harder for the public to participate. general opinion comment. excuse me caller. >> so on anybody else who is waiting on the line to make a comment. on this item. if you have a specific comment for the first caller had a comment about adding more context in the agenda in the minutes. and we can look into the language from the meeting and add more language to the minutes but if you don't have a specific comment on the text that is provided about the minutes, from that last meeting do call back

during the public comment section. and we would love to hear your opinion and your thoughts on this issue but it needs to be expressed during the public comment segment. thank you. anybody else on the line if you hear me. do call back during the public upon comments. if you have a specific comment on the change in the order of business. do we have other callers. ja we have 2 more on the upon line. yes. i'm john [inaudible] i don't have the time to hang around you are your actions is doing shut off public comment. there is no other reason.

>> thank you, caller. if you don't have specific comments on the minutes and approval moving to the next caller. i opened your line you have 2 minutes to comment on approval of the minutes. >> hi. this is sydney. can you hear me. >> loud and clear. so, i'm calling because i was concerned that you guys are going to put the public comment period at the end of meetings from now on. >> i'm sorry, i muted your line if you have comments specific to changes or corrections to the minutes. you like to comment on item 9 call during general public comment. >> last caller in the queue. caller. you have 2 minutes to comment on

approval of the minutes. >> thank you, this is lawrence. i didn't know how to take myself off i will call in during number 9. i think it is all wrong. >> thank you. there are no more in the queue. >> thank you. public upon comment on item 3 approval of the minutes is closed. >> before i ask for a motion and second. i will make a general comment which i will make again before we dot public comment. we made this change because we wanted to prioritize people. members of the public who would like to comment on items that are on the agenda. we otherwise, we are interested to hear your comments your perspective if you want to share something we would like us to work on something or like to bring something to our attention we are interested and open for

to you come and share your perspective with us. however, we also. to make sure that the members of the public who actually need make commentsos items on agenda don't ends up waiting for a long time before they can make an upon comment. that is why we changed the rule orders. that is i will make this comment later again. i know a few called i wanted bring this up to make sure this it is heard. this was nothing about shutting down public comment or not prioritizing public per spentive on comments. do join us. for that. thank you. >> colleagues, any comments, questions otherwise i would like a motion and second. >> move to approve. >> thank you. madam secretary. call the roll. >> president ajami. >> aye. >> vice president maxwell. >> aye. >> commissioner paulson. >> aye. >> commissioner rivera.

>> aye. >> commissioner stacy. >> you have 5 aye's. >> thank you. next item. >> next is item 5 report of the general manager. >> thank you, madam secretary. first item is drought condition update from steve ritchie. >> good upon afternoon, commissioners general manager for water. it does have a titled drought conditions update. we could change that for today to may be something else. because things have changed a lot in the last few weeks. we are seeing you know very heavy precipitation today the new year's eve storm was a large event. that we responsiblesed so if we go to the slides. these were slides produced on

january third. and i will basically try to update them. as information has developed since through the february ninth report and to this morning's activities already. why for the storage, you see our reservoir storage on the tuolumne it it is 465 acre feet and expected to increase over time. so we are increasing our storage there. we are releasing from cherry to make sure there is recommend for the water from snow mountain and that water that is going in the water bank. system is working with the high flows. >> on the local system, you will note cal varace shows 80,000

acre feet. we thought that was a good number because we completed the dam in 2019 can not ever filled the reservoir. well, as of february 9, the storage at 92,000 acre feet and this morning at 5 a.m. it started spilling overnight spill way the top of the reservoir it full now for the first time since we completed the new dam. going down to crystal springs you note that it shows storage greater than max storage. and the reason for that is that the maximum storage is the level we operate to because of endangered species when we get extreme flow its may happen from time to time. total is close to 65,00080 are feet or 68,000 acre feet.

we are on the way beyond that level there. so -- unfortunately the endanger spees everybody issue in the back burner. that is i key thing i wanted point out relative to the reservoir storage and how we manage t. they are all water supply residence virus not designed to be flood control. they don't have flood control responsibility. we do have responsibility for prudent operations of the reservoirs to manage water for water will supply and make sure we don't contribute to conscience down stroll this might cause flooding. we are managing our reservoir in that way. and actively communicates with communities through down stream of the residence virus. because though -- it is up stroll from half moon became crystal springsum stream from

hilsboro, san ma te'o and foster sea and cal var us up stroll from fremont we are aware of how our operation works with them we are communicating with them. we are releasing during the breaks in the weather. in terms of controlled release from valves to make sure this water can be evacuated to make room for additional water expected to come in. we arey in the case where [inaudible]ing. has been spilling over the last couple of days. it going up and down relative to over topping point. and in communication with half moon bay about that. and started spill thanksgiving morning we are working with 7 water agency in alameda water district butt d. water resources and army engineers on a dprnt

arm of alameda creek. a lot of coordination to make sure that we are doing when we need do for water supply and when we need to do to be a good member of the community. it is our responsibility to operate responsible low where we can. and one other thing about the storage in the reservoirs. with all the inflow, we had a lot of local residence virus. we are going to rely on our local water supply to be filtered in the treatment plants to have them shut down for mountain tunnel construction. the levels after the new year's eve storm came up in our reservoirs and so we delayed the start of the mountain tunnel shut down for construction purposes and hopefully the next pew days or a week we can get that back under control and be ail to proceed with the shut

down. this is the map of other california reservoirs. all the residence virus are coming up more. upon so shasta andorville are coming up above where they have been. so the numbers are lower than where they are now. so they are continuing to rise so that is good for a big chunk of california. on the drought monitor, there is this large brownish area that called exceptional drought. the latest version on january ninth, that brown blob is gone. and the -- you know the darker colored areas are striking down. we do expect more precipitation toward the end of this week and the next week. so, i think california will be getting better. people have been asking this

question. is the drought over? my answer is the same. talk to you in 3 weeks. we are not out of the woods yet. and there are other considerations out there >> on hetch hetchy precipitation, we are above the 2022 line approaching the 1983 line. there on the curve. we actually have reachd that 1983 curve. important to be at 1983 that is our wettest year on record. at least through this date, we are now equal to the wettest year on record. for precipitation this is the 6 station index not just hetch hetchy a peek for december almost 3 times the average for our history in the system. this showed through january second. there is penalty 36 inches in

january. and that number is 5 inches. so we got more rain here in that time period. similar story on the bay area, again, 14.26 inches compared to 4.35 for december and have 5.2 inches for january. so there is a lot of rain that is happening now. throughout our system of the country and down here. in the same true of snow pack you see for january third, the up country snow pack has started to get above the 2017 level it has been above for awhile but past 2022. that number continued to increase. so that the red line representing 2023 is up almost 2100% of typical april which is

the end of the snow seasonal. we are early in the snow season. water availability to the city. you can see that because of the december storms and new year's eve storm, it had peeked up a bit. water available was 200,000 acre feet. which is why water bank is filling up. the january ninth, it is up you in to 250,000 acre feet. again, all the numbers i'm going through are significant low increases between january third and ninth. and the precipitation forecast, i point out this. the colorful part, the red and orange and yellow are the extreme precipitations green and blue are not bad. this shows for period january through third through tomorrow and tomorrow through january 19th, precipitation in

california the most updated version showing next week also shoes continued precipitation. so continues to rain out there. and last but not least our upon demands. you know i was. comment to staff i guess we need to extend the lower per we are at the bottom of the graph here with 133 million gallons per day deliveries during that last period. clearly, everybody turned off out door irrigation. so -- the summary is there is a lot of activity going of we are trying to manage the reservoir levels. and working with the locals on that. but the same time, we are capturing a lot of water and it promises to be a good year but no guarantees yet what we saw in 2022 the start of a good year and flattened out. so we are waiting to see if we get that flattening out. happy to answer questions.

>> thank you. i want to reiterate what you said one-2 storms are not going to solve a 3 year drought impact we have been dealing with. >> that's right. >> people remember we are still have a lot of ecosystem to recover and ground water that needs to be recharged and other things that need to happen observe we are out of the situation we have. we welcome the rain but upon don't celebrate yet. comments, colleagues? >> thank you. public comment. >> thank you. >> members who wish to make 2 minutes of remote comment on 5 athe drought update press star 3 to raise your hand to speak. do we have members present to provide comment? mr. moderator do we have callers? >> there are 3 callers in the queue.

hello caller. >> hi. i'm happy to hear about drought improvements. one question i have is how many more storms do we need to be out of the drought and also i wanted to suggest if you are not already doing to help improve the drought is san francisco can install more rain catch and observation systems. china is doing functioning where the city is like a sponge and there is a lot of green spaces and green roofs and rain harvesting systems. instead of all of the billions of gal ox of water throwing down storm drains carrying pollution it is stored in the ground or in roofs or green space like to beaut fight city.

that will help the drought approximate may be future droughts. we can collect and store rain water and use it in the of dry are months. thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please you have 2 minutes on item 5 a. >> thank you. good afternoon this is peter. policy director for the tuolumne river trust. you saw on january third the system storage was 1 million, 1 pine,000 acre feet. the last meeting 933,000 acre feet n. this mont we added 226,000 acre feet of storage. . last year know demand was 182 million gallons a day now under 2 million for the past 8 years.

>> that one month up to capture enough to left a whole year. and there was enough water in storage to last 5 years. >> so -- as of january third. you needed 285,000 acre feet to fill all of the tuolumne storage. sounds like we made a big dent in the left week. and snow pack is at 100%. of what you expect on april first. >> there is no doubt that the system will fail. the state will be in draught and the puc has a much easier thresh held to meet you have great water rights and average year you can capture 3 times as much as you need. if this year is average the

system will fill. >> we were under the lead to believe following the 7 workshops there would be a serious discussion about the policy and how water is managed. and that did not happen i want to request it. we have seen this over and overnight puc the system hordes water. [inaudible] and terrible for the environment. and there is an opportunity here. we could restore the tuolumne without running out of water. we made that case it has been ignored. i would love this conversation. thank you very much. >> thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please you have 2 minutes to comment on 5 a. >> thank you. i'm [inaudible]. [inaudible] water committee. very glad [inaudible] and to see

the changes that have [inaudible] puc storage is going up and -- said and for sure will fill this year. the way you manage water shows you will not take risks. i may shorten my shower and [inaudible]. [cannot understand speaker] god forbid the irrigation districts take huge amounts of water they may feel pressure to reduce the damage that they do. you [inaudible] with any of those things. but. this [inaudible] risks to the

biological conditions on the tuolumne. and our native fish population that depend on this you are willing to take huge risks. in many years the fish experience high mortality and it is entirely possible we will drive the [inaudible] to extinction within our lifetime of i want to ask you -- please, balance your wellingness to take risks. and take more risks. reasonable risks for [inaudible] and reduce the huge risks you put the fish and the rest of the ecosystem around the tuolumne river under every year.

thank you for sharing your comments. 3 more callers have joined the queue. you have 2 minutes to comment on 5 a. >> i [inaudible] want to this we are grafrl for this rain and i'm glad that the staff [inaudible] wants to be a good member of the community i think this it is an opportunity top show that we are a great, good member of upon community supporting our water. one thing we can do is [inaudible] from the drought design helpful and good well and drop the lawsuits against the state water board. i think this is know opportunity for you to say, okay. we are in good shape. how can we be good members of the community going forward. this is know opportunity and i hope that you all consider those

and also that -- we do use this opportunity not to horde and [inaudible] and i think drop the [inaudible]. one year [inaudible] from the drought design of thank you. thank you for sharing your comments. next caller. >> i'm [inaudible] a citizen who -- has been all over the reserve the last 20 years. i think the chirp tax being a steward of the land and over the last year or last year and a half over 7 workshops [inaudible].

[inaudible] also that -- [inaudible] the lawsuit. it is disappointing recalling the workshop and people give information move public upon comment period back. that is contare to your beliefs or how you feel things should be run. no this is not how you have healthy fish and provide water. >> i hope somehow, some miracle you change your mind with drawing from the lawsuit.

thank you for your service although i don't feel your service helped. >> bye. thank you for sharing your comments. you have 2 minutes to comment on 5a. >> thank you. i'm lawrence abbott a retired wildlife biologist and asking you not to kill the tuolumne river. buff the ecosystem. because you will hold back too much water when you do, you kilt ecosystem and directly whying out the populations.

i'm here to express my deep concern about the poor eclogical state of tuolumne river.

i care dopely about the environment and look to the commission to be responsible stewards of the river by increasing flows in the tuolumne river. thank you. >> thank you. there are no more callers in the queue. public comment is closed. item 5 b is hetch hetchy improvement program quarter low report by katie miller. >> good afternoon president ajami is commissioners. i'm katie miller director of water capitol programs. we will highlight the hetch hetchy capitol improve am program for the first quarter of this fiscal year from july first-september 30. the beginning of the fitsical wherever with the city's adoption of the fiscal year

22-23 budgets the programs will now report based on project budget that were adopt in the 2022 part of the fiscal year 23-203210 year c ip. will etch there are 17 capitol improve am projects all continued from the previous year. the charts show at this times with mine construction are multiple phases.

the column to the left we report in the the past. the project budgets are consistent with the forecasted budgets from the left quarter and also with the approved 10 year c ip budget no new costs during the quarter. >> i will share project highlights. the mountain tunnel improvement team made progress during the quarter. the excavation and lining completed at the abbott tunnel and the bulk head door in the top picture was successfully installed. the bottom concrete slap for flow control shaft was power exclude completed. excavation of lining work for the new bypass tunnel this is connect the flow control facility to the original tunnel and the bifor youcasion

pipelines in the bottom, that will carry flow through the flow control valve were installed. work continued with the condition tractor to review materials procurement and preparations needed for the winter shut down when the new flow control facility will be tied in the existing tunnel. you learned from general manager rich the hetch hetchy system shut down scheduled begin january third has been delayed until january 17th. this does not post problems for the contractors workoth hempy improve am projects they welcome the extra time to prepare. the 2 contracts for the moccasin power house transform are project made progress in design and construction. for the upon generator step up the second transformer seen

here. had final testing during the quarter and delivered to the site in october. this will be install in the this winter's shut down. >> the generator rewind contractor was delayed in mobilizing for construction due to procurement and staffing challenges. the project team worked with controktor to define the risk and identify the contractor may not be approveed initiate construction for this winter. >> in december. we decided that the contractor was not ready the first generator rewinds will be delayed a year. this presents risk to the hetch hetchy operations. it was decided to be the better choice than allow contractor to proceed when not ready. note finally the draft conceptual report for the remaining powerhouse upgrades were made.

for the san walkin safe entry project we made project on the 4 construction contracts. for the phase one aimprovements to pipeline number 2 completed fact retested valves. one is seen in this photo 60 inch diameter involve instew third degree winter we hope. awarded contract for phase 1 b improvements to pipe lines 3 and 4 and contract for phase 2 achieve 90% design. this -- program project is under way to full construction. >> and that's my presentation i'm happy to take questions. >> thank you. i have vice president maxwell. >> thank you very much. . will we use the same contractor not ready for the generator rewind >> yes t is our intention at

this time general electric is the contractor and they performed well up to the point. i think they had a lot of procure am challenged. they are aquiring different parts from all over the world more than 10 country parts are coming from. with the covid delays they struggled. they had their own staffing challenges. a change of the superintendent and other project staff people. also due to the covid challenges. we feel confident they are getting on track and very closely tracking using risk registers and -- for the meantime overnight winter, we had them rent a warehouse and modesto they will store the facilities under controlled environment and inspecting those regular low. >> then. will we receive any compensation since it seems it was on them that we are having a year delay

which means costs go up? good afternoon, commissioners. um -- better. the discussion on [inaudible] will be taking [inaudible] drafting a change order to take care of the time and the compensation for us are to be discussed witness we actually realized what the impact is to us. >> all right. but we do recognize that there will be an impact since. >> yes. >> costs go up when there is a delay. absolutely. if the project if than i are not able to complete in the original time they have soft costs for us. we make an assessment and take that up with the contract.

>> thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioner paulson. >> along the lines of the same questions. i was going to ask the same thing that commissioner maxwell talked about that is that the 2 main reasons you highlighted were procurement issues. getting the supplies or whatever is needed and also you said covid challenge in terms of staffing. in other words, there was not anything extremely negative in the things happening this you -- assessed you are keeping the same contractor really it was lodge i have haddic issues not any red flags that -- we are really tag exclude if there are we like to know where that might be for monitoring like the change orders or the pens for whatever calendar stuff the construction manager might be in

the exploring stage of the assessing now. >> to comment on that question/observation. >> yea. i appreciate your concern, commissioner paulson and that is something we are concerned about as well and monitoring. it is general electric hydro power. they are well known and have a good reputation. so -- we do feel confidence they are capable of giving a successful project. and we are trying to work with them because we think that the best path forward is to work with them and try to get this done next year rather than trying to work with somebody else. so -- we will be monitoring we have registers developed we are watchingly and we do have good reps with the staff. and we have faith they can do a good job for us. why thank you very much. . i assume we all can want updates

on this in your reports as we move forward. thank you. >> yes, will do. thank you. >> just a quick comment. and may be this is my memory lapsing from the previous reports. i want to make sure when we put together the fact shows in the report. it has we don't ends up adjusting the forecast but a line item on variance.

>> yes. agreed. we were trying to resolve that with the table 5 that is in the reports now starting a year ago. that has the where we thought the project forecast significant mile stones. not shown as a bar chart it is shown in dates and time. we limited to forecast only for the approved periods that is a two-year period because we reset the budget. if you want more we can talk to you off line. >> the tables are fine the good what i'm asking is in the fact sheets. had i electric at one item like now i have jpl and safe improvement. now this project not having variances as we move forward, when i look at fact sheet i like

to see the changes that has been made somehow on the dollar amount and the time lapses we had. >> over a longer time than just the budget. >> >> you will definitely see that like last quarter. >> i upon can't remember. if you did, thank you. it it is not make sure you add it. >> yes. next quarter you will see a few variances because we will be resetting the budgets for when we present in february. >> as part of the new budget package you will see the forecasts go out on a few projects. >> okay. anymoring comments, public comment, please. >> members of the public when wish to make twop minutes of remote comment on 5b press star

3 to speak. do we have callers with hands raised. >> there are no callers in the queue. why public comment on 5b is closed. >> item 5c a wastewater quarter low report including southeast area projects update by steve robinson. >> thank you. good afternoon president ajami and commissioners. receive robinson for infrastructure. and i'm presently thanksgiving quarter low report in the process of hiring [inaudible] this is per waste water july-september of 22 and share updates the 3 major projects. the director mention third degree is first will show the current numbers.

the photo we have here the community center we will talk about that. good to see it at completion. >> the first on the left dry water touch station project. completing in december through september of 22 and the project forecast completion is june of this year 23 and during this quarter we reached completion in august. it was turned over to operations i was able to visit we had a celebration. and the contractor worked on punch list items. the signage of the pump station name that was exciting. the second project the storm water improvement construction completed. ask forecast for completion march of twochl during this period, sue are pipe installation complete and storm

water inlets 14 and 15th commenced. replacement of water main is on going. shows a storm water inlet between 14th and [inaudible] streets. i pause to make a point this is one of 3 learning projects in the capitol plan. and the flood water resilience projects and this is not finished, is able to help the current upon conditions we are seeing. it helped the connections have been put in place approximate no report of flooding at the moment and this project is the first of 3 major projects forecasted to be complete in march of next year. third is the west side pump station commregz in june of 24. shows contracting on the officer of the electrical building you see the ocean in the background. usual chart shoes the status for

the 70 project in phase one. they report 4.4 billion dollars. this report is the first it show the adjusted members for the recent budget process. you see we move friday reporting 3.6 on the left to 4.4. that is primarily due to market conditions. we have been reporting. the numbers were captured in the budget process and reflect here. last quarter we closed 52%. this quarter we show a closing number of opinion not this we are going become in time it reflects the increased budget of blue area on the right shows 7 projects in preconstruction plan and design and green the 11 in construction we have 12 left quarter. and the gray on the left shows 52 projects already complete.

this is table 3 from the quarter low report. sum row of costs for ss ip rolling up phase one and the other projects we added since. the column summarizes the expenditure and the cost variance. the budget process a lot is easier to track the variances overnight next budget cycle. you will see positive numbers in the column which reflect decreases which is good. and this said one improve am we made to include this information president a gentlemeny we talked about tracking the expend tours at the project level. i hurt fact sheet could be a place to show that we are looking at the project you tell that is happening over sometime. >> with respect to the facilities and infrastructure program. a slight decrease in the forecast costs. this is good.

at this point. moving to a few highlights the quarter we completed the 35% design on the treatment health and safety that is the southeast plant in buildings 40 and 41. larger condition unimproved project in the east soma area. similarly the second bullet awarded a construction contract for assess am improves in china town and north beach and report for sea cliff number 2 pump station and update gear under pass. these are all mile stones within our process moving through plan to design and construction. here it is local artist [inaudible] the unveiling of her mural. jamari's journalet third installment of temporary art on southeast plant on the head work's project on evans. since the launch of this program

we feature work for a year through summer of 24 while that project is on going. >> for more updates on major projects with [inaudible] we reported the cost increase in january a year ago now. and captured it in the budget process. no change from last quarter. you will see bullet updates construction of the [inaudible] under way and image complete concrete map foundation and the treatment building the w started and i thought it would be useful to share from upcoming work we have 12 packages with remaining value of 115 million dollars coming the majorities nievenl those happen in this year and 2023 and the value of 70 million dollars reminder of the 3 next year in 2024. this is a construction general contractor contract the construction work has been out we are down to the left 115

million dollars of w to bid out over 2 years. for head works project the same forecast project budget and schedule as last quarter. no change. and installation of pipe racks commenced. and continued installation of [inaudible] the order work and silv structure and you in a point the mechanical equipment is going in and talked about getting red for the hundred over it takes time to plan it in operations. and similarly for folks useful for upcoming w there are 14 packages remaining totalling upon upon 70 million dollars. majority of those released june of this year and the land scapes the final would be scheduled the end of 23. and left but no means least,

1550 evans we are proud. this is the quarter low report through september. we will complete in october and grand opening on october 22 and final completion scheduled for march of this year. staff we -- learning center and hungry kitchen moved in. the hungry kitchen is opening mid january. getting that space active and used and programmed is exciting. >> so i will finish and happy to take questions. >> thank you. commissioner maxwell >> thank you for your report. could you reminds me on the southeast plant new head works the increase from 619 to 679. can you remind me why that is in we have the increase of budget from 619 on 679 and that changed

that through a need to relook at the project. costs were going up over the last number of years. we had value engineering and redesign components. we changed the inlet pump station and order control that effort did save but required adjustment combine that with changing conditions and cost of w now bidded as the trade packages ultimately came back with a cost increase. >> and then -- the -- community center -- 114 can you -- just brief me. >> communal center was a mall increase from 114 to 115 some was a delay and working with pg and e to get power to the facility. we extended and delayed the grand opening. and if any it to create space to

get that electric connection made safely that was a small increase. 2-3 months last year. >> thank you. >> excellent. i also had a question. you just mentioned on southeast community stern about maintenance. of the place. so, i'm assuming we do have there are some funding either allocated or we are using some future -- funding sources to be able to maintain that place and keep it under condition? >> yes. and definitely an asset for the community and the city as a whole. we want to look after and the same for all the facilities we established more facilities like these. and putting the resources in place is important. and so we had a long [inaudible] think about that. there are contracts let activate the space and use it and maintain it.

and the funding for the capitol work falls under capitol plans now we move to operations with wastewater earnprize. making sure it is staffed and fundd and something we'll be watching [inaudible]. >> fantastic. >> now i have a different question gag back to the over all i think -- upon um -- we have still 6 projects in design and one in planning. and since i don't have those i did look through the documents but wondering if -- in any of those there is an opportunity for us -- considering the experience we are having now with change in intensity of the rainfalls receiving and the challenges with storm water or flooding. are there changes this we mead to make or have an opportunity to make at them point for those projects this are not yet in

through the process. we can do now to the help us to be better. you know dealing with the extra things. >> thank you. i mentioned the phases of our work and like to report in the might stones and our planning phase in needs assess am we move to design. bid an award and construction start up commissioning. and any point of course we change direction. and it is harder later in the process when you near construction the earlier you catch it is better. we want to be consistent in xroers processes but our criteria when we think about storm water management how we decide across the city and interface with diameters. there are projects theory early on where there is a big are question that surface how we approach climate change and

changing weather conditions we now famous other diameters published work around extreme precipitation and opens a new question a criteria to address promote. and it is a big are conversation we have to the not react to upon one storm for drought conscience or now but think about patterns and long-term sustainability. yes, each project moves throughout life cycle there are periods we may reevaluate at a big are holistic decisions. >> fantastic. i want to reemphasize the 1s that are that's i didn't mentioned 6 or 7 projects in the phase. if there is an opportunity to improve those to be more resilient future flooding we should -- sit back and rethink and reimagine mag because you want to make sure and this came up with the upon comments.

i know that upon wastewater trying to embrace green infrastructure as part of work we are doing. part of the process. of whether the opportunity for them to get involved in the process from you know the remodeling process people are going through and coming for permits. like to think about to -- you had a lot of new features that will help us we can expand that. footprint. thank you and commissioner mechanic wel, please. >> looking at what happened with the rain, we talk about 5 year

storms. is this still something we are looking at on the table. 5 year storms when we have seen and what you are will saying that we may see in the future is really going to be more than a 5 year storm or have a 5 year storm regular low. with that statement thinking how are we hopeful low we are approaching that, is this part of it? >> yea. our level of service is 5 year 34. 1 penalty 3 inches we talk about a significant amount of rain in northern california and now southern california. of course we need tong hard about that. and i mentioned extreme precipitation that is working with academic and sales and to understand the science. and that would be a precuriousor for us to look have that question about how we adjust to what climate change the

intensity and duration and back-to-back nature when the patterns are changing the extreme work will set the scene for how we look at this. >> public comment sns >> members who wish it make 2 minutes of comment on item 5c press story 3. >> improve am program.

billions of dollars. and and than i are in for a real shock. we don't measure wastewater we assume water coming in. is going to go out. minus irrigation. so what people are going to realize to bring down bills they have to use less water. there are fixed costs for wastewater and water. and so prices rates have to go up further to kosh the costs. there is a formula at a workshop for every 10% increase in rates there is an expected 2% decrease in water use. so -- we will see water use probably continue to decline. certainly stay below 200mgd. i think there is a coming financial crisis.

may be on parwith ecosystem crisis. the solution to both are compatible with each other. so -- i want to encurrentlying to you do a dive in your budget discussions this year. understand that service. understand what rates will be and how that will thrive consumption and water. and perhaps down the road have a workshop with outside expert. outside experts that is key. we don't have answers but we know the right questions to ask and would be happy to participate to avert what will be a crisis in the future. thank you. madam secretary. no more callers. >> thank you public comment is closed. >> madam secretary before we get to item 6 i want to make a do you mean comments. as you aware the series of

atmospheric rivers that began on new year's eve posed challenges to the sfpuc operations and staff. >> and -- and since it has been a challenging time but i want to compliment our staff for the way they have responded over the course of the last 10-15 days the on going rain events impacting all enterprises and trigger the emergency response act vais vagzs since new year's eve. the wastewater in coordination with department of public works mitigating urban flooding ensure max functionality of the stele's collection system and i tried keep you aware over the course

of the last several days. whether to be the 8 to 10 head out every day. the crews we had out raking drains. they have all been out there. with attention paid to efforts to monitor and mitigate flooding in high profile areas we know we have issues. whether it be 17th and folsom or 15th and or -- the lower al meny. i think it is instructive that in addition to the short term responses we had to deploy over the course of the last several days we pay attention at this time efforts making you heard mr. robinson talk about when is on the construction at 15th and [inaudible] scheduled for completion. in march of 2, already paying dividends if you look at a hope

he did not talk about that i want to call your attention tw item in your upon report page 59. already we have in progress not under construction but in the evidence stage and planning stages. etses at the lower al meny and 17th and folsom projects to demonstrate our commitment to doing not just the short term response the mead yawp where you will to long-term to make sure we are protecting high profile areas. i call your attention to that. but in addition regionaly our water supply and treatment division and natural resources activated an emergency response to ensure safe operations of reservoir levels and croak

releases posed challenges. this structure coordinated and regularly with regional office of emergency service cities and other stake holders to ensure awareness and coordinated messaging in interest of public safety. and up at hemp hempet staff had emergency structure to min tain critical operations they were challenged by rains and winds and all emergency response structures on the water side or the wastewater side were supportd and coordinated through the puc, department of operation center who coordinated in staffing and messaging with the san francisco broader emergency operation center over the course of the last of -- week. or so much i want to compliment our staff for their tremendous never ensuring and dealing with what has been unpresidented events overnight course of the

last week to 10 days. and we have been coordinate exclude want to compliment the staff for tremendous effort in short term response and long-term planning. >> okay. i have commissioner paulon and commissioner stacy. >> thank you. i noticed both with the alerts we get that somebody on staff sends us when sewer blows up or whatever, people have been all over and the those alerts have been helpful. i know very well by monitoring it as this commissionering to normal media, the presence of the city and emergency department and the differents diameters are obvious, tell rain and people will look for problems no matter what. problems will come and the fact the city is prepared makes me proud to be a commissioner. on a technical note.

inter~ departmental issues you know whenever they might be. you know -- coordination is important. i think the van ness project was a case. started talking to each other sooner we might have had another year earlier to get buses rung there. that is neither here nor there but a quick question. mirna boulevard what diameters when you talk about embarcadero and great highway the rim of the city. we have you know infrastructure in areas of the upon marina boulevard within -- 2-3 sentences i don't want to get into this what different departments were affected by that red energy that was on the tv and we saw. >> >> thank you. commissioner. that -- you will see we always have coordination with a variety of departments in that area you

have the puc, dpw approximate rec and park. all significant part of rec park land. along the waterfront it is an challenging area. those are the 3 most affected dptsz will. december i'm speak right anything i'm missing >> the port? >> you know what port is not. that is rec and park land >> okay. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner stacy. >> i wanted echo hat general manager said about staff every time i read my status reports. i imagined all the people out in the rain. dealing with the flooding and all of the other issues. i wanted send an appreciation to the puc staff and all the city starch out there wing on the emergencies. i seen it around my

neighborhood. >> i also appreciate that this will be a learning experience that will contribute to the al meny study and will foalsom street study. i really proernlt all the work and the commitment and dedication of city staff and puc staff it hen a heck of i month. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner. >> i want to echo all the centiments my colleagues expressed. i think this has been a difficult time of the it is in the going to be has not been the first and not the left one. it is just looking at all the data that mr. ritchie was sharing, you can see that the patterns are changing right? we might go a fewiers a little. but we see the extreme events

unpresidented events kevin andersoning off guard in a sense. so. i know this is a difficult and -- a lot of appreciation for all the staff who were involved especially the new year's eve, which you know is a lot of people to spends time with families and emergency. staff are out there trying to deal with calls. so, grateful for all their hard work our team is doing. i appreciate all the -- reporting and -- e mails we were receiving that way we could -- keep an eye on what was changing and what was happening and also -- for me personal low every time it rains i'm worried about all the worse things that can happen. so that was good to have information on that. thank you. >> thank you.

commissioner. >> okay. so do we need public comment. thank you. >> members of the public when wish to comment on item 5d press star 3 to speak. >> next is item 6 your consent calendar. combhents or occurrence or need to pull items out of consent? can we have public comment, please. >> members who wish to comment on item 6 the consent calendar press star 3 to speak.

it there is one caller. thank you, caller this is on consent. joco aligz for san francisco neighborhoods. i don't need item 7 but i would like to comment on 6b and c. 6b the increase is 50% also this is the same contractor the pump station number 2 project. which has a long list of issues. it is [inaudible] puc is using the contractor. for 6c [inaudible] >> 50%. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. >> there are no more callers. >> public comment on item 6 is

closed. >> if there are no more comments or discussions we can have a motion and second to approve the items on consent. >> so moved. >> seconded. >> can you call the roll y. president ajami >> aye >> maxwell >> aye >> paulson. >> aye >> rivera. >> aye >> stacy. >> aye. >> item passes. could you call the next item. >> item 7, authorize the general manager to execute behalf of the city a first amendment to the agreement with the california department of fish and wildlife extend the agreement up to 12 minutes to december 1 of 23 for duration of 36 monthses with no change to the agreement amountful >> steve ritchie for water. this is a contract where we are paying the department of fish

and wildlife to construct a recirculation system in the fish hatchery at moccasin when we go in shutdowns they use less water. bottom line. that is to our benefit and so that's why we are paying for the project and an extended time now to complete the project. happy to answer questions. >> recirculation is it the same as resuzing the water >> yes. it is taking the water out because fish live in water and clean it up and put it become in. opposed to giving them fresh water that way -- when we have a shut down we have a limited supply available for any use. this benefits us by making sure we use that for people to drink. just a general question i have on this. its -- before when they were in

the doing it or they don't have a recycling pleasant yes yet, right? do they treat the wastewater before they put it in i'm assuming they have a permit. this crossed my minds that is something that is >> i don't think i'm speaking out of school i believe the system flow through system this goes to the don pedro. and goes through the water bank. >> recycled we will have a back wash for. >> yea a waste treatment from that. yes, they are responsible for the permits. >> okay. perfect. why thank you. commissioner maxwell. >> thank you. i guess or is there a revaefrp done to make sure this recycled water is okay for the fish? >> there are recycle water facilities for other hatch reese never a need for one here. as we talked about the major shutdowns we are having we felt

prudent to make sure we had this facility there are. other fish hatcheries do have recycling systems. >> is this going to be temporary. >> no this is a permanent function. >> okay. >> we would not use it except for when we are -- in a shut down period this is the primary time. there may be other times they would use it as well. >> thank you. >> the system used to be min tained during the times not used are they going to be responsible for the operation and maintenance. >> yes responsible for the prescription and maintenance with support from us. >> technical support. >> yes. >> okay. >> thank you. anymoring comments. colleagues? >> can we have public comments. >> thank you, mr. ritchie. >> members when wish to comment on item 7, press story 3 to raise your hand.

do we have callers with hands raised? >> there are no callers at this time. >> thank you. public comment on item 7 is closed. >> thank you. can i have a motion and a second to approve this item? >> thank you. president aiamy. >> aye >> vice president mechanic wel >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> commissioner rivera. >> aye >> commissioner stacy. >> aye >> you have 5. >> item passes and -- next item, thank you. >> item 8, award contract pro.0264 to mark cavanero associates for 5 years subject to approval under san francisco

charter 9.118. >> slides, please. 62 good afternoon i'm the project manager for the cdd campus 2,000 marin. >> i'm here to request your approval to award a professional services contract for design of the new campus to mark cavanero in the amount of 27.8 million and for term of 5 years. >> just to point out cdd stands for city distribution services. known as the san francisco water department. >> so, cdd with over 400 employees responsible for infrastructure of the city's water distribution systems for potable, recycled, grounder

water supplies. they operate and maintain the reservoirs, pumps and 1200 miles of water pipelines. they over seat city's water meters and maintain the facility equipment in the fleet. the san francisco water department located in south of market on bryant street following the 190 sick quake. the bryant street why should was inadequate a property was acquired from the federal government in 1961. and facilities developed in 1963. the yard served the division corporate yard for 6 decades. the facilities exceeded their life and the plan is to build a new campus a few blocks away on 2000 marin. due to the growth of service demands and challenges maintaining operations at a

facility exceeded its life there is need for construction of new headquarters to alleviate over crowding build and code and safety issues and e eliminate inefficiencies and current future operational needs. >> 2000 morin bound by caesar chavez on the north. caltrain and freeway on the east of marin street on the south and evans avenue on the west. effort its move cdd to 2000 marin began in 2019 a programming phase for employees for the new campus. the campus will include an office buildings warehouse, shops, storage and parking. of the new campus organizationed around the parkings garage on the west and yard on the east side. the warehouse is located off of the entrance on marin to limit access and outside venders to

this portion of the campus. the office building positioned so have site lines and pedestrians circumstantial ligz to the building system designed for workforce to cross paths daily. >> the rfp advertised 3 times. we advertised the contract in march of 2021. we readvertised in september because one team lost a key member before the evidence process was completed leaving one responsor. the seconded time we received 3 principles but one responded due to errors on the schedule submittal. based on this and other issues that i reviewed with last september the decision med to readvertise a third time. we addressed the issue and conducted a robust out reach. received 2 from teams submitting

all 3 times. this time they both made it through the evaluation process. here other results of the rfp the 2 will proposals nca and pndwda joint venture. final scores 931 and 922. we request your approval to award the service condition tract for design services to mark calf nero associates. >> thank you. joy have one quick comment. this is nuance. but can we -- this is general. when you have monopolies of the locations i would appreciate if they are put in the context of a big are more than streets that are making a boundary of the location. it is heard to kind of figure out exactly how they are

situated compared to other things. colleagues, any comments or question. i have one quick comment. on the -- 2 proposers you mentioned all 3 times they proposed. did the pricing changed over time or they improved their proposal to make sure they meet all requirements that were needed. >> yes. we had challenge with the evaluation process. so they were making amendments to meet all our requirements for the proposal process. >> okay. >> thank you. any other comment sns >> no. thank you very much. and can we have public comment on this item. member when is wish to comment on item 8, press story 3 to speak. do we have callers with hands

raised? >> there are no callers at this time. >> public comment on item 8 is closed. >> thank you. colleagues can i have a motion and second it approve this item? move. >> second. >> call the roll. >> president ajami >> aye. >> maxwell. >> aye >> commissioner paulson >> aye >> commissioner rivera. >> aye >> commissioner stacy >> you have 5 aye's >> thank you. >> item passes and i'm glad to finally have contractor to move this forward this is a positive progress for sure. can we have the next item. >> item 9 source number puc0004i. amount not to exceed 950,000 with duration of 2, 029 days to

otis elevator company only one to maintain priority components in the elevators at the puc headquarterless building and with code section 6.73a. >> good afternoon, commissioners. the program registration bureau. i'm happy to answer questions that you may have. >> if you would like me to speak on the matter i may or answer questions. >> would you like some. brief comments on the item? gi think this will be useful >> staff requesting, ward of a contract elevator service 950 thousand dollars with the duration of 8 years to otis elevator to service the elevators in the headquarter 525 golden gate avenue in 2012 otis

installed the building 7 elevators equipped with otis priority components. the current elevator contract can otis will expire the end of february. otis is the only left lanesed elevator colonel tractor that can from vied legally required maintenance for their priority elevator components. the state of california requires a valid permit for operation of the elvirts and qualify for a permit we must have a full maintenance contract with a contractor that holds a c-11 contractor's license. >> commissioner maxwell. >> the elevators are different suspect this why it is so. you press the button and goes to the floor. you don't have to whenever it is. it that the what is special about it. >> they are special. you are right. commissioner. >> would we do that again?

>> that's an excellent question. i would defer to engineers on what elvirts we put in our new facilities to be honest i'm not sure about the elevators at 1550 evans or the new. >> my concern is that since it has to be specialized that could pose a problem and so even though they are really neat. it is special i enjoy them but i'm wondering, how you know if this makes a lot of sense over 10 or 15-30 years. does if make sense to do that. >> i would say commissioner, there are times they try drive me crazy but if you electric at most building that are built now for security purposes. of the that is will you are seeings more of those. happen across the country for new buildings put them in so

appeal can't go between floors. >> it may not since is there more people excuse me. there are more people using them may be tell not be so special and able to have more contractors. >> i would love that. >> yes. >> condition tracting for elevator service in the city is challenging at best. >> being be i am not an expert. >> that's my concern i say that in terms of the elevators you see it is not a novel tee there for because it it is new for security to prevent people from going between floors you see them in more and more buildings. >> good point. i want to say that i have been in other buildings in san francisco that have the same type. i wonder people can use the emergency stairs to go from

floor to notice but not 20 up. on the same topic i have a different question. if our how much contract amount changed every time we renewed is at this time first renewal >> we were able to utilize a contract with otis the department of real estate had. but now we are procuring our own. of and -- the -- amount of contract is 650,000. but because we weremented to amount for any repairs that went beyond the yearly maintenance. over the years they have been in operation has there been a lot of maintenance required fir them? >> since 2012 i say we were

required have the year low maintenance and then you know things happen. we had to have replacement of components or just reper ses that went beyond the maintenance and want to make sure we have enough capacity so we don't continue to return. let's hope tell be other competition in the process. by the time we renewed this. thank you. >> can we have other comments? >> commissioner paulson. why >> a lot of time in construction you know folksment to diversify and get as many in the mix as possible so you count on more then and there one company if you need to change things maintenance or new construction. and i have been that whether or not it has to do with the company is not usually at fault

if you can't get a bart escalator more than if you get in goldman sacs up to the top floor. i know that -- without being pushy anything in my years work nothing construction, otis elevator company the first company this invented the damn elvirtyou see them every where from new york to washington. they are a reliable product. just in general. i feel comfortable even without getting in the nuances the others are talking about with that company. to get that contract. because they are diverse as anybody new technology is the invented the technology. keeping up with it is what they cherish and when they have. i believe it is a good choice no matter who ever else gets up to do this stuff.

and again, i do hope that like any product or trade that there is a lot of contractors we can call on to keep the bidding at a level that the good for the citizen of san francisco. thank you. >> can we have public comment. >> members had wish to make comment on item 9 press star 3. there is one caller >> on item 9. >> san francisco neighborhoods [inaudible]. [muffled cannot understand]

thank you for sharing your comments. there are no more callers in the queue. >> thank you public comment on item 9 is closed. >> if there are no comments can i have a motion and second? move. second. >> second. >> thank you. can we have a roll call. >> president ajami. >> aye >> vice president mechanic wel >> aye >> commissioner paulon. >> aye >> commissioner rivera. >> aye >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> you have 5. >> item passes. read the next item. >> item 10 authorize a general manager to execute a memorandum of understanding with local agency formation commission for aim not to exceed 800,000 do you recall egg of 3 years and 5

months. >> good afternoon, commission. i'm mike hinze the deputy assistant general manager for power responsible for cleanpowersf program. i have prepared remarks for this item for you. you have observe you a proposed memorandum with the puc and the san francisco local agency formation commission. or lafco to perform work for cleanpowersf. mou a duration of 3 years special 5 months not to exceed amount of 800 thousand dollars. in 2007, the san francisco board of supervisors requested that the lafco monitor the process of implementing cleanpowersf. and advise that the puc and the board of supervisors regarding the development, operation and management of the cca program.

cleanpowersf served customer in nay may of 2016 and completed enrollment in 2020. cleanpowersf is now a mature cca program. serving 380,000 customer ash counts with cleaner power at competitive rates. the puc and life landfall maintain the memorand up of understanding initiated in 2009. and extended several times before it xoir in the 2021. puc and urban lifestylz are prosecute posing that our commissions establish a new mou between the agencies. the funds reimburse lafco for work performed in fiscal year 22-23. through fiscal 25-26. using approximately 130 thousand dollars. still remaining from the original 2009mou. supplemented by cleanpowersf

rate payer revenues at the rate of 225 thousand dollars per year for fiscal 23-24 through 25-26. the term of the mou could be extended by agreement with the puc and lafco before you today recognizes the jurisdiction of the sfpuc over energy service including cca. and recognizes and financial low supports the sf life landfall rowel to monitor and advise the puc and the board of supervisors on our cca. and to perform tasks that assist in the implementation of the cleanpowersf program. subject to the puc delegation. it establishes the scope of activities the puc is asking lafco to perform and to assist for cleanpowersf. and it sets the expectation that

lafco staff would engage with puc staff on all matters involved in expenditure of cleanpowersf furndzs like developing scopes of w for professional service rpf's. selection of consultants and draft work products. with the contribution of clone clean rate payer funds, lafco would monitor the operation of the cleanpowersf program and advise that the puc and board of supervisors regarding cleanpowersf, and conduct specified studies addressing the opportunity for and barriers to local energy innovations. and recommending policies and actions to support san francisco decarbonization goal and other energy related climate action plan goals that are also related cleanpowersf scope of operations. the specific study this lafco

would prepare under the mou this is in no order. would be one, identifying opportunity and bear dwroers battery storage across the city. and possible low proposing amendments to local and state codes to support the local installation of battery storage. 2, identifying challenges regarding the decommissioning of natural gals infrastructure in san francisco. 3, identifying barriers to broader adoption of electric vehicles in san francisco including equal access to charging infrastructure. and analyzing solutions that may involve various city departments and agencies. for you, identifying opportunity and barriers to financing cleanpowersf initiatives through green bank models. such as nondeposit municipal finance corporation or a public bank. that might be able it access

funding available throughout federal and inflation reduction acts green house gas reduction funds will mouthful. and lastly, studies of specific e merging clean energy technologies agreed to by the puc and lafco. one idea we talked about serving literature about the use of fuel. >> the life landfall executive officer and the agm for power. and any written changes that are made will be communicated with

written notification to the commission and the life landfall commission. >> at a special meeting on december 9, the lafco commission approved the draft mou attached and authorized not to exceed 800 thousand dollars. 130 thousand dollars available upon execution. rate payer funds will need to be identified. and we are looking at year saving in the operating budget to source the funds and we are working with puc finance it do that.

that concludes my remarks. and before i open up to questions i wanted to acknowledge jeremy pollock lafco executive officer. jeremy? he worked with myself and general manager hail in develop thanksgiving proposal. and we are available for questions you may have. how much staff did lafco have. >> 2. >> 2 staff. okay. thank you. >> yea. so i have questions about this. i'm a little i can understand if you are starting something newell we need to make sure we have an oversight that things

get settled well enough. obviously we are utility, right. we sort of know how to run a utility. i'm not sure. like we i can't understand when is the -- value this brings. why can't we have our own sfaf dot review. why can't we work with the academic institutions that are working with doing actual research on new government structure. a lot of things listed are something you can easily you know snap an if anything are find online. a little unsure i'm convinced. it is not the 800 thousand dollars it is the value. and also long-term what are we

trying to accomplish here? 4 years if now. when do we reach maturity we don't need anybody to help us do this work? and i'm saying this because also -- we have been trying to make sure we manage our costs. right? and make sure we put everything we want to be competitive out there. as we add more things to our list, mou we have to pay for it which means it takes our competitive edge away from us. so. jury room i appreciate that. commissioner ajami. and i think -- this is a slightly new drukz as far as our relationship of lafco is concerned. the early years it was focused on launching the program. we have done and completed.

convening and look at multiagency issues. so that the scope i took the time to walk through reflects the consideration that we put in what lafco should contribute to our collective work. i want to acknowledge you are right our staff utility is capable of doing this work and

has done this work. >> so, then -- i hear from you is they are would like to be -- participate in this process and work with us. i think the end of the day we are on the other side of this, right? i don't need to think, is this something we really need? is this going to be like can we use that money and hire someone to come in and do that work full time? for us? ical we think outside of the box. it is not about the money as it is capacity building, what do we need? do we need to do this? and what is a long-term goal here and wherehow does this impact our competitive edge? >> okay? >> dmrn. those are all excellent points and i think ha -- what we have seen is since the formation of

the lafco in 2007 there has been ape transition. our cca up special running and i think the board of supervisors itself in what role it sees for lafco. i think we all view this as a transition phase to see how the lafco can supplement. without getting into the -- core of what it is that the expertise we have and that we are developing. in our administration of our cca. i think this will be a -- good period to learn what the future of lafco is and who how we can provide our customers with everything. your point is well taken. it is manage we'll use this period to evaluate to see how it works and what our camabilities and are when we need to look on and what lafco's future is and

how it interacts with us and their role going forward. >> like -- i know you don't have this number. i can see that. so i'm wondering like per customer, this is insignificant we have to think where is this impacting us? i'm thinking about the graphs you were shoring and our relationship with other power provide sxeshs how we have been trying to keep competitive and costs down and make sure we can operate and maintain to the highest efficiency. and looking at every angle to make sure we are well established utility. again this might not be putting a dent in this process or

impacting it but everything that come through this effort we are going through we look from our end. i appreciate lafco enthusiasm and interest but we need to look at this from our point of view and how this will impact us and help us or hurt us in the long run. just00ue know this it is a real concern for me. to be honest with you. and. ed raise it. go ahead. >> i then and there lafco existed even prior to clean power. in 2007 >> i think every county or major facility all over the state have put together their own lafcos

for various reasons. and public power and clean energy and whatever the political motivation at the time. i agree with the president that this is manage that does need to be explored in long-term i guess this statute agenda because it is a recommendation and there would be a good collaboration. i agree that having extra and i love government. don't get me wrong an extra apennedage possiblingly doing the same thing is something we should be clear about. with water and power and waste. so many thing in this one

commission. the more efficient and precise moving forward. thanks. thank you. president. i want it emphasize what the 2 commissioners said before me in the general manager's comments. i think lafco was formed we were looking at taking on fairly new and enlarged responsibilities. i -- i also realliment to be aware of how we are spending and using rate payor money. i want to look ahead and see how

we are spending rate payor money. this is really almost a transition to look ahead and see of what role can value and how can lafco add value and how does it supplement what the puc already is doing and knows how to do. i do want to think about how the value is added and whether the small amount is an appropriate use. i really want to be aware of that in the future we will look at you know all 3 areas water supply, wastewater and clean energy a lot of responsibilities in the future and costs.

but it irrelevant is in the i don't think we should be cavalier about 800 thousand dollars. television is in the a little bit of money what i'm hearing from commissioners is that this is a little you know, i mean we need to think about this again. . when we come back because you have staff and going to help a lot.

>> go ahead. commissioners there is a hesitation we with pull it and open up to discussion. >> it would not be a bad idea. it is important to make sure you know we -- again, there are many players in place. >> look we certainly don't want to bring anything forward there is in the a comfort level with. i'm if it is your pleasure we pull this item become and have further discussion we can do that. jury room sounds good. thank you very much. >> do we need public comment on this. >> i appreciate that and thanks for coming. you know i appreciate you taking the time and coming here. can we have public comment.

members who wish to make 2 minutes of comment on item 10 press star 3 to speak. there are 2 callers in the queue. >> thank you. 2 minutes to comment on item 10. >> are you there? >> i -- didn't raise my hand apologies. your line is open. you have 2 minutes to comment on item 10. >> commissioners, we had have a hearing for the public.

chronologically to see how active proactive and progressive the san francisco p uc commission has been. i have been involved with this since the year of 1999. last call was the year 2006. come from the [inaudible] it come to standards, we tend to hire consultants. and one of you commissioners said 800,000 is nothing. that is money. even 50,000. i'm saying this because clean power process start in the the

bayview. not by the supervisors. not by the san francisco public utility commission but the advocates. we went to sacramento. and now we have some clowns from lafco who have salaried and use 300,000 -- [inaudible]. that's all i got to say. we need standards. thank you for sharing your comments. one additional caller joined the queue. your line is open you have 2 minutes to comment on item 10. >> hello can you hear me? >> loud and clear. >> i'm [inaudible] i wanted to make a comment that echo earlier

in with commissioner calling the 800 thousand dollars is little aim of money your commissioners are [inaudible] from day to day and you know people [inaudible] and -- i hope you vowel people's money more in future more than you do in [inaudible]. contribution. comments. so that's it, bye. >> thank you for sharing your comments. there are no more callers. >> thank you we have a caller in room who wished to provide comment. >> jeremy approximateliock for lafco. i want to respond to chair ajami's comments and hear your concerns and all concerns about the need to efficient low use

rate payor funds and i think we -- designed the scope of work for this with that in mind. i think if you look at the last 5 years of lafco's work focused around how we should buildow renewable project in san francisco. and i think we approach third degree mou shifting if that and seeing that the core function of the puc and the study topics looking at areas that are sort of key challenges that need to be address in the cleanpowersf future. and looking at areas that are outside of the core functions and involve multiple departments and way of that can fit with life landfall studies of communal service. and i think one study and i would highlight where we have outside expertise is the financing through green bay initiatives life landfall is

wing on this with the san francisco reinvestment working group a consultant producing a business and plan for municipal finance corporation and public banks including we have consulting gary stevens and associates founded over 100 bank and department of environment on ideas for green banking. and comments to epa for the green house gas reduction fund. and ways that we can look at accessing the fund we have that project under way we are excited roll in and happy to work with you in developing the scope of work. thank you for your consideration. do we are other members present to provide comment? >> public comment on item 10 is closed. >> so i think i appreciate that and thank you for everybody's comments. i 2 things one is -- i don't

think my colleagued meant to say that th is not like and by member of the public. we will pull this item. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we need a motion to condition this item or just. >> move to continue. >> until -- it it is pulled. >> thank you. >> thank you so much and --

thank you and can we have the next item. >> madam secretary? next is item 11. public hearing discussion and possible action oshg prove the almost home rate for customers in the puc cleanpowersf community choice aggregation program this institutes president trump for the project for purposes of theical cal environmental equality act. of the san francisco administrative code the planning department determined it is exempt from ceqa approved the commission will rely to make its decision. i go by mylie i'm a principle ref now and rate analyst with natural planning team. today i'm here to present agenda

item to approve cleanpowersf electric home rate schedule. start out with the cleanpowersf rate landscape and rate schedule. and move into the electric home e electorate schedule and i will show you how staff have come to right up the cleanpowersf e alert. generation rates. and the end show you a couple examples of comparisons with the rates for customers to pg and e customer and then staff recommendation. starting out with cleanpowersf rates landscape bring our

attention to the city charter requires that the puc performs a rate study every 9 years inspect consultant and the most completed one with the 2022 power rate study including that for cleanpowersf. which was the first rate study since the program inception in 2016. in may of 2022, staff brought to the commission, fiscal 22-23 cleanpowersf cost of service rate. which were approved and adopted. the out come of the study to ensurety financial sustainability of the program by setting the rate to the own cost of providing service to customers instead of following pg and e rate changes throughout the year. second key outcome of the study prioritize our customer needs

with rate study. gave us an opportunity to electric at a rate schedule for cleanpowersf customer profiles. and the third outcome to design rate in a manner to support the city's climate action goalless. of which one will move toward a cleaner energy. to get context of cleanpowersf rate schedule i like to walk throughout build and components bill of are for cleanpowersf customers receive the power supply from our cleanpowersf program. and they still receive distribution service the delivery services comprise transmission and distribution from pg and e. cleanpowersf customers continue to receive the bills from pg and e. that translates to is this clone

clean suite of rate schedules matches pg and e offerings the difference here is that cleanpowersf provides an alternative choice of cleaner energy to the customerers. electric homes e electorate schedule in decision 21-11016 california puc ordered pg and e to come up with a new electric home rate for residential customers. the e elect rate schedule was structured in which this it is by the way an opt in volunteer rate schedule for customers who have the listed technologies. pg and e opened the rate

schedule with final rateos december 1 of 2022. the difference with other residential rate structures is that this e electorate is on the delivery component of the electric city built. ruses the volume of the variable portion and variable rates of the delivery charges and replace a portion of this with the flat monthly fee. this support electric because customers with technologies will use more electricity than those who don't have these technologies. moving on to the cleanpowersf e elect generation rates methodology. i like to reupon mind the build component this cleanpowersf provides and controls set the generation component of the electric city build. this is around generation rate. we come become in spring to the

commission and propose cleanpowersf fiscal 23-24 cost of service rates. for your view. in the meantime, we have come up with a methodology to set the fiscal 22-23e elect rates for cleanpowersf what we have done is calculated rates to standard e1 rate. we take that ratio and apply that to our own cleanpowersf e 1 standard rates and arrive at cleanpowersf e electorates. the next couple of slides show you bill comparison of cleanpowersf customers and pg and e on the e elect schedule. the first has a high usage which is a prosecute file of average

ev customer and the next will show you a low usage custody mere, which is an average residential customer usage and e elect customer this is is the lower end of the usage. the left side of the graph shows a pg and e bill and the right side a cleanpowersf bill. moving bottom up the gray block is the delivery charges which is a service provider by pg and e and the same whether you are on a clone clean rate or a pg and e rate. the blue is the pgia and franchise fee charge, charges to cca customers they are fees charged by pg and e the only portion this cleanpowersf control citizen green block on the right side. and for the same customer with the same usage and profile

cleanpowersf customers will see about a 7 dollar savings about a 3% savingos the total bill. >> a similar message for the slide a low use bill customers see a 3 dollar savings translates to 3% total. we will conclude with staff recommendation. where we are asking for approval for the 2022-23 cleanpowersf e electorate schedule. as it supports one the city's climate action plan to move toward a cleaner renewable energy. continues to provide an alternative power choice to customers when wish to opt in the rate. and prevents customers to choose this rate until the next fiscal year before the next fiscal

year. we continue to recommend, ploying the rates to bills of cleanpowersf customers voluntarily sign up since pg and e offering on december first, 2022. the bottom table is showing you the time of use rates for clone clean generation for the by season. that concludes this presentation and thank you and i'm happy to answer questions you may have. >> thank you, commissioner paulson do you have a question or left over. >> commissioner maxwell. >> thank you very much for your presentation. net energy metering. that is would you explain the difference between the net metering and the other? >> yes. net energy metering rates are more complicated and this -- launch by pg and e exclouds the

met metering customers. they will probably coback in 2022 for i think -- the estimated time line now. >> i think the question is more on what is net metering. >> oh . i see. thank you for clarifying that. >> i will have to circle back with cleanpowersf that is the rates -- >> mike hyams. department gm for cleanpowersf. net motoring the program this customers with roof top solar participate in. and what that does is tracks the energy prowsed boy the solar system against the energy that the customer uses from the grid over 12 monand net its out. it it is complex billing arrange am. i think this is why they are not

eligible is because this it is another layer that needs to be worked in to that program. that is net metering. >> the volume metric is not looking at volume amount? >> volume metric is per kill watt hour. how much you consume. and -- moving from volume metric to a fixed charge or upon demand discharge is really -- xr a step to ensure utilities covering is if i canned cost. so -- in this case -- on the distribution side the distribution rate the reducing the amount they recovering by how much a customer used and they are moving some of the revenue to be collected through an if i canned charge. that does not change regardless

of how much you get this same fixed charge >> similar tordecoupling. >> yes. >> that's what i thought. decoupling. you know >> yea it is a form. >> yea. >> that's right. >> decoupling from how much you use. >> your revenues are not a function of how much you use. >> that flat de feo is covering. >> yes. the basic cost. >> yes. >> this it is actually what i was talking about on decoupling was started in the energy sector. >> return it to full. >> yes. >> that's the same. >> so we are going to do that as well? >> yea. one point there, is that you can decouple and still charge volume metric rates by adjusting the rates. idea you are revenue revenue is neutral from how much

your sales are. >> if you reduce the sales you increase the rates. right. there is adjustments. what you want to do is create the ref now achieve the revenue goal. this utility needs. i thought that was related the flat fee >> there are different ways. i wanted make the upon point decoupling is not making just move to an if i canned fee. you can decouple and also still use a volume metric compossibly. >> decoupling you take the fixed cost and volume metric cost always recover the fixed cost and on top of that you challenger for the volume metric use, there is costs associated with operation and majs of the system. and regardless of how much you are using but everybody has to pay for the actual infrastructure. >> yes. >> right.

>> on the net metering, so -- when people have sole our panels they generate electricity different times of the day. they can put it become in the grid. because for example you may have a lot in the morning buff not at home you need to use that electricity in the evening. so there are the partnerships that have been put in place over time that allows people to generate electricity put it become in the grid and when they need it they are cost is associated for. theiment this they generated gets deficientated from what they use. has been a problem with utility electric utilities because it can impact the load management in the infrastructure. so, there are limitos how much you can actually put in the.

there is an amount you can actually put to the grid. so. is this correct. >> that is well said. and also of course the cost associated with servings a customer during the times of -- day are changing. >> and -- the when solar is generating power in the day that is when it is spill to the grid the excess, the cost of electricity ask declining and increasing in the evenings. so this the utilities need to keep up with the changing economics of serving the customers with the program. >> on this -- go ahead. >> so this program we are talking about is basically for a not for the for the -- majority of people? or just folk who is chose a

program? >> any of the customer who is have thefect nogs any e very close customer the electric storage and electric pump or climate control. this is a voluntary rate schedule. so we will not pg and e will not shift over customers. theyville to call come sign up for this. >> i wanted that to get public -- again so people don't start calling us and saying freaking out. it is for a specific group of people and voluntary. >> correct. >> thank you. >> okay. thank you. >> great. other questions or comments, colleagues. >> i know we were talking about decoupling for the rate schedule the distribution of revenue requirement through delivery charges versus an if i canned

fee is on the delivery component of the electric bill will be now we are using this interim rate schedule and coming back in more service rates for cleanpowersf. >> you say that once more. >> i missed. >> you need to peek to the microphone it is difficult to hear you. >> thank you. >> and -- what i was trying to clarify this interim rate schedule on generation rates, when we talk about decoupling i know that using the word decoupling the volume metric and flat fee on the structure is on the delivery component of the electric e bill. for this interim clone clean generation rates methodology that applying the ratios of the e electorate i don'ts of pg and

e to e within in fiscal 24 rates will come back with the entire cleanpowersf generation suite of rates and propose the generation based on cost service. >> okay. >> >> could you -- talk more about e1 and i got lost in the equation. clarify that a bit. may be the slide can be up. >> i'm sure it is all me. if you could bear with me. >> there are is there are

multiple rates. upon wham we have done is took the ratios. the -- e electorates of mull pull components and the generation side with time of use. there are partial peek and off peek. and per 7. am we have done is calculated rates to the flat e1 rate and each component has a ratio tieed the e1 rate and apply them to e 1 rate a flat dollar rate. we use thaterate i don't and multiply it for each time of use and we arrived at these rates.

i hope that makes sense. thank you. very helpful. thank you. any other comments? >> thank you. and can we have public comment? >> members who wish to make 2 minutes of remote comment on item 11 press story 3 to speak. is there anyone here to comment on item 11. ? >> there are no callers at this time. >> thank you. public comment on item 11 is closed. >> one quick comment i have is i was wondering is tr a way to anticipate what happens with the customers with solar panels and be proactive in that and will get more customers on our pocket rather than reactive?

>> mike hyams again. is there can we anticipate when. >> now this specific thing with i understand does not apply for customers who have solar panel. right? now. i'm wondering at some point they would get included in this process; right ? i wonder if there is a way we can anticipate that ahead of time and may be come up with a different way of charging them so we can capture a few more customer in our service area in the process. by providing a service they are not receiving now. >> great question. i think we should staff should take that back and talk about the nuances around applying the rates in the energy metering.

the reason why i say nabuzz there are a lot of rates we have a few rates that metering customers can use. and this rate may or may not be beneficial for metering. i think i explained it is complicated to layer in this rate. this might be one reason why pg and e has to the done it yet but given the structure of the energy metering this rate will not be advantage it a customer with solar. >> i understand that i'm saying we don't need to use this special rate. we and come up with another rate. >> sure. >> yes. >> apply to them instead of us waiting for pg and e to do this we can ourselves come up with a way. we are ahead of them rather them catching up. >> sure. i'm with you. >> absolutely. >> thank you very much >> thank you. >> we had public comment.

can i have a motion and a second to approve this item? >> move to approve. >> second. >> thank you. call the roll. president ajami. >> aye >> vice president mechanic wely. aye >> paulson >> aye >> rivera. >> aye >> commissioner stacy >> aye. >> thank you. item passes. thank you. so. can we read the next item. >> item 12 communications. information item. >> i want to say i appreciated the report it is provided by the staff and for your hard work i appreciate this item always useful and i wanted express my gratitude. comments any questions? we don't have comments. okay. so can we have the next item >> item 13 general public

comment. member who is wish to make 2 minutes of remote comment within the jurisdiction and not on today's agenda press story 3 to raise your hand to speak. okay. before we go to general public commentip want to reiterate hai mentioned earlier during the meeting. i know many people written letters and we appreciate that. i know people have called and expressed the item we change the order of business. ipmented to reiterate we have many people involved in putting items on the agenda.

giving priority for people waiting for items on the agenda. if members have something else they would like to contribute agenda the agenda. i don't love to hear that but the priority to them needs to come later to make sure that we dot business this is in hand ahead of time and in the right time and make sure we can have the public comment and testifiers and due trop their time and effort this input in engaging the items. i would appreciate if you open public comment. >> mr. moderator do we skr members presents to provide general public comment. seeing none. do we have callers in the queue? for item 13? >> there are 4 callers in the

queue. caller, i opened your line you have 2 minutes for item 13. hello? are you there? >> hello. >> we hear you. >> yea. commissioners, in san francisco, we in san francisco, [inaudible]. there is a difference with frip and license freedom. at times you the san francisco

puc commission [inaudible]. and why is it? because [inaudible] the issue. chronologically some of y'all don't know what happened in the 60s, 70s, 80s, [inaudible] in 1913 with the [inaudible]. i noticed that. [speaker muffled] thank you for

sharing your comments. you have 2 machines to comment on item 13. >> eileen coalition for sudden front neighborhoods. on january 22nd the new year the year of the rabbit. rabbit is the luckiest of the 12 in chinese zoed iac. expected to bring prosperity, hope and calm. roberts are gentle and cunning. so in 2023, folks should be able to navigate life quickly and thoughtfully. for alice and wonderland alice falls down the hole of the white rash. and absurd ultimate reality.

moving public comment to the end will this bring hope and calm? >> thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. i'm dave warn are regarding the rowels of order and moving public comment to later t. it is an anymored to the public moving it later the timing for making comment is less certain. i had to block out a large are portion of time and pay attention to make a public comment. this means i invest more effort in order to comment. you mentioned following the precedent of other groups including the board of prierzs what is the benefit in trading general public team.

answer these questions. the best i tell public comment to later allows for staff to predict when presentations will be. is this it. 19 other agencies disagree with your view. you v should bench mark yourself against the other ageses a survey of agendas and not an average it public comment later in the agenda. metro water district. orange county water district. san diego water authority. los angeles d. water and power and tid and mid. the l ad wp was the bad guy we are worse than them and [inaudible]. you say this was not a motion it it is. taking more time to make a public comment suspect a demotion to mention the fact it it is not on the agenda make its less important. the puc is involved in so many

topics not cover in the every topic. one compromise would being to set a time. say 3 p.m. every meeting that would mean interrupting the discussion that predictable and respectful of public's time. there is did thea here revisit this issue. i will provide my comment for thes record. >> thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. your sloin open you have 2 machines on item 13. >> thank you peter, to the mow river trust. a few years ago public comment was reduced to 3 minutes to 2 minutes. i deposit reasonable doubtize this change was made until the item came to you.

in the meeting on december 13th. it is in the a tipical thing to look at to the rules of order. and i was shocked. i quiet low slip in the there and -- you have been the argument was that the board of supervisors have public comment later. of the 9 counties in the bay area 7 have comment earlier in the agenda. and only napa and sudden front have it is later. of the bay water water agencies all have public comment in the beginning of the meeting. water, east bay mud and water district. marin water. and i was -- from the agenda it locked like this came from president ajami. i know that commissioners w with staff. but i thinked not imagine that president ajami would want to make public comment more difficult. so -- i saw the sunshine

ordinance question for communications leading up to this item and denied on attorney/client communications. revision to the rules of order i wanted the background and i was denoticed. the second time in a year i have been denied do you to client communications. the first time the data of how the puc came up with rationing members related the water quality certification. i to being that to the sunshine task force. i have not had my hearing yet. [inaudible]. >> your time expired. >> next caller. you have 2 minutes. hello commissioners this is molly cotton speaking on behalf of [inaudible] california the regular branch the [inaudible] in california representing half a million members and supporters

state ouied many live in san francisco bay area. mented start i was red in the queue for comment at the beginning today but now i find myself scrambling i had to leave a meeting early to comment at this meeting now. my myself and many others a lot of them are not able to comment now. have been inconvenienced boy the decision to move public comment. i'm calling to comment on item 9 of the minutes. the commissioners voted move general public comment from the beginning to the end of meetings. the this is counter were to haevery agency and legislative body december fill out venals to the members to raise concerns about issues than i care about as well as make it easy to engage in decisionmaking processes. this decision by the commission hinlders and inconveniences that

public process great low there meetings and with this decision the puc active low making harder for people to be involved. member don't have the luxury of sitting and waiting hour to comment. if they are hour low workers. this is an environmental justice issue on limit the public's right to participate in decisionmaking i urge to you reconsider and revert back to comment at the beginning of meetings. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please. you have 2 millions to comment on item 13. >> good afternoon. commissioner john with the golden gate salmon association. i'm also calling to comment on

moving this public comment. to later in the meeting i think dave warner said it a good compromise idea you can move it later but schedule this that would help avoid the environmental justice issue that molly pointed out to you. i'm embarrassed to on behalf of the commission acting on what looks like an undemocratic fashion. i think you know you are there to represent the public. and you know i want to appreciate that keeping the lightos and water run willing are nuts and boles business taken care of in the meetings. we appreciate that. but for people who need to appear on the type of issues, seems to mow they can afford to get in line and speak their peace at their time. shutting the public out of which defacto is had your new policy

will do it is in the democratic. i hope you make some type of change in order to let the public have a say. thank you. next speaker, please. as a public utility committee. and as public servants you really wouldment to hear from the public, rights? how else can you serve the public.

your proposal is making it more difficult and undemocratic and uninequitable for us to comment on what is being proposed and you think you want to hear first and make it easy for us it comment as equal as possible and democratic as possible. when we can in to comment not sit for hours and hours you know few ascii can do that. most of us cannot do that. you know that well. shameow. shame on you for considering this. if -- it is beyond the [inaudible]. it really is. please, reconsidering. thank you. thank you for sharing your comments. one additional caller joined the

queue. caller your line is open you have 2 minutes to comment on item 13. great. thank you very much for the opportunity to comment i'm doctor elizabeth [inaudible] the director of holy h20. and represent 2500 people in the bay area interested in learning more about this watershed. i'm going to repeat hamany said before this and that it is that particular low in relation to environmental justice, this is irrelevant a travesty to have changed the comment period like this. it it is a public who you do serve and frankly, group the people like everybody you heard from are the people you want to hear from. we are the people who can

support challenge and inform your work. you do in the want to shut us out of the meetings by making impossible for us to comment like many others i had to cancel another meeting so i could be here at end. i will not be able to do this for other meeting i have no idea when it might end. as a director and wait on the phone through all the other -- orders of business. so i really encourage to you return to the democratic approach of allowing the public to speak at the beginning of the meeting. thank you. >> thank you. next caller your line is open you have 2 minutes for item 13. >> thank you. to the chair.

[inaudible]. approximate pronouns she and her. new year. i'm going to talk about basics here. i am simple low an ordinary oozer of electricity. and -- as i spend my time in san francisco i think about how can p uc be strong are presence to helping to move our city in a clean renewable powered future. i do have the case for municipalization of the grid. when i hear of muni having trouble getting electric service for -- electric bus. and things like here. when can we do to help that. and i tried live my values. i have been doing electric ride

share. my way of i can -- ride around in san francisco and did it once or twice so far. with electricity generated by sfpuc this i ask to you help veterans the causes there is equity in decarbonization so when i come to san francisco and use muni or bart and think about where i eat and where to stay, about your mission most of all sto to serve the people.

. thank you your time is expired. next speaker, please you have 2 minutes to comment on item 13 y. this is america us. i have been waiting to make a general comment for 2 hours. my son gone dead several time its is invoent the way you reschedule today and i'm talking about the tuolumne river in the earlier discussion about the water bank i like to hear how you can comply with the. delta water quality control plant? i think you can come ploy with that plan and still have all the water deeded to the city and the peninsula as you are required to do. thank you.

thank you. next speaker, please. you have 2 machines >> yes. [inaudible] if i could start my comment i don't feel commission cares about the public making comments i think it [inaudible] when the commissioners talked about 800 thousand dollar being too little. [inaudible]. [speaker muffled] [inaudible].

>> do, we have a hard time hearing you.

[inaudible]. [inaudible]. no. i mean at the end. please. continue on make sure you are standing in one place. >> i am. >> okay. >> okay. just briefly, finishing up we have 3 new commissioners. we heard that part. >> and looked at. a workshop. that 20 hours eighty-one that [inaudible] and watch [inaudible] and you are not going to watch the workshops where -- the where the um -- commission and [inaudible] debunked. and all we get is we agree about the sacred lanes and agree with salmon but you do nothing about it. our time is expired.

>> there are no more callers in the queue. >> thank you. commissioner stacy you wanted comment? i think i will only be reiterating what i said at the last hear and your comments madam president i want to say that how important public comment is. both on each individual items that are before us for action and as well as general public comment. on items that are not on our agenda. i think the big change here for general public comment is that interested people are going to have to watch the hearing more. and will the time for public comment will be less predictable for general public comment. i also think this because general public ment is a bit of unknown where we have 2 or 3

commenters. will we have 15 or 17 public commenters. i also. to be sensitive to all of the people who are waiting to testify on action items on the commission's calendar. and reports this are on the commission calendar and so -- i think the change is in a way allowing more public comment on the individual items this are before us for action. under the brown act and the sunshine ordinance probably, items that are brought up on the general public comment, the commission can't act on it on that day anyway and so -- had there are public comments about issues that the commission would like to hear we can then schedule it for a future hear other. i would like to give in new order a try. most low to make it easier for the public to testify on the individual items that are on our

calendar. i understand that i think what the commenters are saying that is makes it more complicated for them to not have a time certain. that -- sometimes calendars will go quick low or longer it it is not clear had the general public comment will occur. i also think that the public commenters on the individual items have that same problem as well. and i think it is person for the commission to be aware of this issue. as well. i would like to give this a try i hear loud approximate clear from the people testifying today it will be more cust for general public commenters. to electronic the hear and figure out when general public comment will occur. i think if the commission ends

up feeling that it is a problem. in the long run, on both sides of the public comment, poth for items on the agenda and for items not not agenda then we can revisit our rules of order and i am open to that. but i want to say how important public comment is, how careful low i read the public letters our secretary sends to us on going basis. and i think there are many ways for the public to make us as commissioners, wear of items that are not on the calendar but should be. and i -- i would like to give this a try and i want to not lose sight of the fairness issue for people that want to comment on items calendared on the agenda. and that's important to me, too.

so thank you. >> thank you. >> you want to make a comment? >> thank you. what i appreciate we can look at this. we can see how it works i never heard anybody on the specific issue complain that it took them a long time to get to the issue. i never heard anybody complain about that. so i think you know it has been a certain way for a very long time. and it is certainly -- people don't like a lot of change and i'm not sure we need to change it. but i think that according to commissioner stacy it is a good idea to check this out and see how it work and if it does not you have my commitment that i will bring tum and -- we can go become to the other and i'm foal and hear thanksgiving from the other commissioners as well. >> yes.

i think i will not reiterate butt matters of equal and fairness applies to all parts of our agenda including individual items that are on the agenda so -- we want to try this. will and we hear you. as both my colleagues mentioned here. this is not set in stone. we can always revisit. and -- reevaluate this. but you know i think it it is important to make sure we think about all parts of our agenda on how different people are engage with us. and in different ways and -- i know people don't like change. sometime change is hard. let's see how this will evolve and go back to it again. thanks for again we are would love to hear from you. you are the power behind us.

you other 1 who help us think and rethink every -- position this we take or agenda that item this we are looking at and obviously we don't know everything. we do rely on our staff. and professional staff and also the public to help us to be accountable and stay on top. issue and pay attention. so. don't take this as -- this -- interested public comment we are extremely interested in public comment and like to make sure everything is involved and engaged with us. with this, i think -- we will -- have the next item. >> do you want? >> comment? >> yes. president i like to make a quick comment for upcoming item recuse

myself. one second. could you read the next item >> item 14, items neighborhood by commissioners. >> >> discussion only item. >> go ahead, please >> like to recuse myself. >> this is iteming 14. if there are no items >> yes, >> item 14 i side tracked. hang on for that for a second. clothes any issues, items topics you would like to bring to our attention? you would like to discuss? seeing none. we need public comment >> no. >> okay. >> and then with this can we have the next >> item 15 public comment on matter to be addressed during closed session. members who wish to make 2

minutes of remote public on item 17 closed session legal council. san francisco superior court case cgc-20-586083 a planet dispute 400 thbld by the board of supervisors. press star 3 to speak. callinger, this it is on closed session item. why caller, you have a comment on item 15? >> thank you. this is peter tuolumne river trust. item 17 is conference with legal

council i encourage to you use this opportunity to ask about the legality of using blanket denials based on attorney/client communication to deny sunshine ordinance requests. i gave examples earlier. >> do you have a comment on the specific settlement? >> no. >> thank you. >> thank you. there are no more callers. >> thank you. public comment on item closed session 17 is closed. >> thank you. commissioner rivera. you were trying to make a statement >> thank you. president ajami. i like to recuse myself from the vote due to a previous professional relationship with one of the defendants. >> thank you. this item needs a motion and second and commission vote. i would appreciate if i can have

a motion and second -- to take a vote on this item. for recusal. >> not for -- this is for recusal. move to recuse commissioner [inaudible]. >> i second. why a vote? >> president ajami. >> aye. >> vice president mechanic wel. >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> commissioner rivera. >> aye. >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> 5 aye's. >> [laughter]. thank you. >> you are recused from this item. >> okay. so -- colleagues can i have a motion and second to acert the attorney/client privilege. >> so moved. >> second. >> second. >> can we have a roll call >> president ajami. >> aye. >> vice president maxwell. >> aye. >> commissioner paulson. >> aye. >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> you have 4 aye's y. we are

move to closed may an a commotion stoebd whether to disclose the discussion that we had or not to disclose the item discussions am a roll call, please wrchl motion not to disclose. president ajami. >> aye. >> vice president maxwell. >> air >> commissionering paulson. >> aye >> commissionering stacy. >> you have 4 aye's >> item passes. thank you. read the next item. >> we are finished. >> fantastic. >> okay >> we are adjourned.

thank you, everyone. >> everything we do in the tenderloin, we urban outfit. here, this gives us an opportunity to collaborate with other agencies and we become familiar with how other agencies operate and allow us to be more flexible and get better at what we depo in the line of work in this task. >> sometimes you go down and it's hard to get up.

so we see ourselves as providing an opportunity for the unhoused to get up. and so i really believe that when they come here and they've said it, this right here is absolutely needed. you can't ask for nothing better. >> the tenderloin is the stuff that ain't on the list of remedies, liked the spiritual connection to recovery and why would i? why would i recover? what have i got to live for? things like that. and sharing the stories. like i was homeless and just the team. and some people need that extra connection on why they can change their life or how they could. >> we have a lot of guests that will come in and say i would like -- you know, i need help with shelter, food, and primary care doctor. and so here, that's three rooms down the hall. so if you book them, they get all of their needs taken care of in one go. this is an opportunity for us

here in the tenderloin to come together, try out these ideas to see if we can put -- get -- connect people to services in a calling the meeting to order. welcome to the tuesday, december 20, 2022 meeting of the san francisco entertainment commission i'm ben bleiman the president. we'll start with announcements. >> start with the lands acknowledgment. we the san francisco entertainment mission acknowledge on the unceded home land of the ramaytush ohlone the african-american inhabitants of san francisco peninsula. as stewards of the land and with traditions the ramaytush ohlone