>> good morning. today is monday, january 30, 2023. this is a special meeting of building inspection commission. i would like to remind everyone please mute if you are not speaking and the first item is roll call. [roll call]

>> please have a quorum and next is our land acknowledgment. >> we acknowledge that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors and relatives of the ramaytush community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. >> thank you. next

for any members of the public that are listening and calling in, our public comment call in number is 415-655-0001. the access code is 24882826640. to raise your hand for public comment on a item press star 3 and also the webex webinar password is 0130. our next item is item 2, discussion and possible action on proposed budget of department of building inspection for fiscal years 2023-2024 and 2024-2025. >> good morning commissioners, members of the public. alex, deputy director

administration. we are here today to discuss the budget for the next 2 years and say it now and reiterate it throughout the presentation but the budget is is in a preliminary stage now. we are still developing our budget and dbi is very much looking forward to working with the commission, public, all stakeholders to insure the department is able to function properly and meet all of the commitments it needs to meet and really do what it can to help benefit the city and navigate this difficult economic climate that we find ourselves in. so, can we go to the presentation? the first slide, please. this is a bit about the schedule, what to expect from the budget process. you are in the first of two

special budget meetings. this is the kick-off meeting to solicit proposals from the commission, from the public and to show what the current state of things are, what little has been determined so far. the next special meeting will be february 14, that is one week before the department's budget submission is due and hopefully it will be more of a finalizing and final approval from the commission of what we discuss now and put in over the next few weeks. then on february 21, the department submits its formal proposal for the next two year budget to the mayor's budget office and controller office. february through june is what is known as the mayor's phase of the budget where the

mayor budget office works with dbi and adds the mayor's priorities and any other technical changes that may happen and on june 1 the mayor will submit her proposed two year budget which will be built off the department submission but may include other changes. then in june, the board of supervisors reviews the mayor's proposed budget, they will hold hearings and the budget and legislative analyst will ask questions and there will be more opportunity for public feedback. in late july, the-and also in june in the board of supervisors phase of the budget, the supervisors may cut items from the budget and add back other items. they are allowed to add back up to the

amount they cut. then in-that is the budget committee of the board, it isn't the full board. once the committee votes to approve their modified vurshz version of the mayor budget, in late july the budget with go to the full board and once approved the mayor will sign the budget and it will become final. next slide, please. so, now we are get nothing to the numbers themselves and again to reiterate, these are very preliminary. upon instruction from the mayor's office, many policy decisions were purposefully omitted from our department submission and so as you-as the commission is aware and public may be aware, dbi is undergoing a fee study

and the results of that fee study will not be ready until appreciately april, and so the results of that fee study will be incorporated into the budget in the mayor's phase of the budget, and so likely what will be revenue increases will happen then. some of these numbers that you see here, especially use of fund balance will likely come down in the mayor phase, however the policy decisions have not been made yet. walking through the revenue side, the different columns show prior year-walking through all five, the first column shows the previous fiscal year 22-23 adopted budget. next column shows our proposed budget for the first year of our two year

budget, 23-24, and following column shows the change between the two. the fourth column shows the second year. the 24-25 proposed budget. the final column shows year over year change from 25 to 24. the most significant change on the page is charge for services so that is our-the majority of the revenue, those are our permit fees. upon discussions with our deputy director of permit services, he-it is very difficult to project these revenues. it is hard to know what projects will be built, what projects will be planned, what will come in when, but from discussions that neval has had and from the revenues we

have been seeing the worst case that we can imagine that we expect would be 18 percent drop in permit revenue year over year, and so we have conservatively assumed that that will take place so $8.6 million year over year change from 23 to 24 we are hoping that does not come true, but we feel at this point it is most responsible to assume the low end of the revenue spectrum and to spend and save accordingly. we have two new revenues totaling about $1.7 million. the first one is not really new, it is just an acknowledgment that all edrt, all peer review [speaking in the background]

will be recovered by the department and so the department will not-the expenses for plan review, all of that will be recovered, so this ask more of a technical entry and not a new thing. the third line down also is new revenue, but there are corresponding expenditure increases, so items 2 and 3 do not really have a net impact on the budget. the disability access transfer function, there are inspections currently done by the mayor's office of disability that are in the building code, supposed to be done by dbi, so to acknowledge that, those function will be transferred to dbi, however there are associated revenues with that work, so we are assuming at this point that it will not effect dbi's

bottom line. interest and investment income is there interest on the fund balance so the controller's office will project exactly what that will be, and really that's determined-hard to project, but determined on the interest that the itisy gets on its entire pool of savings. licenses, permits and franchise, that is entirely the apartment license fee. this we are holding study, however, this is a very conservative projection we feel and the prior two years we have received more then budgeted, and we don't feel that-we feel this is a fairly stable source of revenue, there are not big changes to the number of apartment buildings in the city and so this is revenue we can count on. we may be able to

increase some and also the fee study will inform what the appropriate fee level will be. operating transfers in, this is a technical entry. this is from board of supervisors add -backs so as mentioned during the board of supervisors budget they can make cuts and add thing tuesday the budget and in the previous year they added a $300 thousand item, so this is a transfer in from the general fund. our expenditure recoveries are modest. the services we perform for other departments are relatively small compared to the overall budget. we are investigating as part of the fee study potentially collecting additional revenues for unfunded work that the department does for other departments, so this may grow some, but at this point it is premature to increase

that. the last two lines should be looked at together. really it's-the department accumulated savings, how much we need to use to balance the budget. the first year of the budget we are just showing all of it in use of fund balance, so there is no change from the previous adopted budget, year two last year is now year one this year, so we need to use $33.6 million of our savings to balance the budget. this is much higher then we like. we have made proposals to the mayor's office to bring this number down, however, as previously discussed, those policy decisions and revenue increases we were instructed to not add those to the budget so use of fund balance remains what it was for the last year budget for year one. for

year two, that is a brand new year and we-in order to close the budget assuming no revenue changes we need to use the entire remaining fund balance of about $21.1 million to balance the budget. the difference between 23-24, 24-25 revenue on that-on the first line, the charges for services, we also have to assume an increase of about $14 million as a result of the fee study, but we dont specifically know what that will be at this time. so, much of the revenue side of dbi's budget really depends on the results of the fee study and policy decisions from the mayor's office. next

slide, please. moving to the expenditure side of the budget, i like to acknowledge that i believe a large portion of the public is here today to speak about the cbo community based organization grants that the department currently-these programs that the department currently funds and i like to stress to everybody watching at home and everybody in the audience here that no policy decisions have been made, no request has been made to reduce or eliminate any of these services to any organizations. the department budget submission currently assumes that all current services will continue to be funded by dbi, however, dbi has requested that the mayor's office partially or completely fund these services, so we have requested a

transfer of general fund dollars to dbi to fund this work, so no one to my knowledge is making any proposed changes to any scope of work that is currently being done, only the funding of the work. we are hoping to transfer money from general fund to dbi to fund this work. so, moving through on the expenditure side, the columns are the same, and i will move down through these quickly. salary and fringe benefits, so, the change from last year is primarily due to cola increases. the difference between 23 to 24 is cost of living increases built into the union memorandum of understandings negotiated by the city every 3 years so outside the

departments control. same for 24-25 that those increases are largely cola. the exception to that is some of the transfer function that we had mentioned or i had mentioned from the mayor's office disability, we are envisioning two new positions for inspectors to do that work, however, that work would be funded by revenue you saw on the previous page, so it will not effect dbi's bottom line. and the final change-final significant change worth mentioning on the labor side is a realignment of positions, permit tech 2, many years ago there was a change of class where a certain job

class, 1408-i forgot-some administrative class, the exact classification name escapes me but those were changed to permit techs and in that change there was also a change to the memorandums of understandings where staff who are previously allowed to supervise other staff per their memorandum of understanding are no longer able to in this new job class that they are now, so in order to keep the previous functional structure of the department, we are proposing to increase or change substitute many permit tech 2 positions to permit tech 3 so that they are able to supervise, and we are able to keep our same organizational structure, the same org chart. without this change,

we would have-one top level manager would be forced to supervise up to 14 staff, which organizationally doesn't make sense and anything beyond really 5, 6 people accountability begins to suffer and so we feel that this change is important. that would be approximately 200 thousand dollars to substitute all the permit tech 2 to permit tech 3 and of course those positions, hiring for those positions would go through a full competitive civil service hiring process, which would be open to everyone and our hr would reach out to as many places as possible to insure that a diverse candidate pool was found. so, moving

on--overhead allocation, the third line down, this is city wide overhead the department pays for that all departments pay for. it is the share of city attorney cost not directly billed, the board of supervisor salaries, the city administrator salary so these are general overhead costs shared by all city departments but not directly billed for. the controller's office sets this amount and we do not have control of it. it will invariably change as departments develop their budgets and change their costs, then the controller's office will spread those costs and it will change. non-personal services, so these are professional service, rental, intangible items is how i with like to think of it

and we are making-this we are get nothing to the discretionary spending of the department and here we are proposing to reduce about $700 thousand between materials and supplies and non-personnel service. discretionary spending. $1.5 million you see here is a acknowledgment of the reduction in discretionary spending and some other non-reoccurring items that happened in 22-23 that will not continue. the next line, grants. these are the community based organization services. you can see that the amounts are unchanged from what had been budgeted previously, $5.2 million was approved last year for fiscal year

23-24. that amount remains unchanged for 24-25. the only request here, dbi request here was for the mayor's office to give us revenue, so if they were to agree then on the previous revenue page we would add $5.2 million transfer of revenue from the general fund. again, i like to stress, nobody is proposing these services be reduced, eliminated, changed in any way. only the funding source in order to help dbi navigate these challenging economic times. the next line, materials and supplies. these are again tangable small items below $5 thousand per item with useful life of year or less, and we are-dbi's budget is not large to begin with but we are further cutting where we can to

recognize the difficult economic situation we find ourselves in. programmatic projects. these are-we are eliminating these and acknowledging that at this time we do not know of-we do not plan on undertaking any multi-year capital continuing projects. some previous year projects included in-law program, soft story program, we do not know of any of those projects on the horizon and due to the economic climate we find ourselves in, we do not feel it is appropriate to undertake any long-term commitments. and the last line, services of other departments, these are work orders. these are services that other departments provide to dbi, so city attorney services, controller's

office, financial systems, and various other workers comp from human resources department and we are proposing various reductions to these work orders, and some of them-many were approved last year. you can see in year two of last year's budget. fiscal year 23-24 was taken down from $20.6 million to $17.4 million. we have requested additional reductions, however those are policy decisions for the mayor's office and negotiations we need to have with other departments so they have not been finalized yet and are not yet assumed here, but we are hopeful that this number will continue to fall. so, next slide, please. so,

before i talk about the fund balance, i just like to acknowledge and reiterate that dbi finds itself in a very difficult challenging economic climate. since the pandemic, requests for new building permits have drastically reduced. our revenue has fallen approximately a third in the past few years, and this-the department expenditures are largely labor and so are very inflexible, and in order to provide the same types of services we need to spend approximately the same amount. there is also a lot of new work that has-that the department is required to do that did not exist before. the department has changed dramatically in the

past few years, and undertaken significant reform measures to improve the public trust and improve stewardship of city funds, and make sure that dbi processes are transparent and fair and proper and those reforms include things like a new compliance manager and various other initiatives that create additional work and have additional expense but don't necessarily generate additional revenue. cutting expenditures is very difficult and while we do have less permit related work, our overall level of work is-remains the same or has in some cases increased and a report just recently came out that showed that dbi's funded vacancy rate was at

zero. all funded positions that the department has are currently filled and there is no room to reduce labor further we believe at this point, however, again we will see what the result of the fee study is, what the result of the mayor's policy decisions are, and reassess. with that said, our fund balance currently-our available fund balance-our fund balance available for appropriation uncommitted to any other source this year is $21.1 million. in order to balance the budget, we are currently using all of it as previously stated. the first year of the budget, 23-24 as previously approved last year for year two of the budget, we are using 33.6. that remains unchanged and so

the total $54.7 million of fund balance is currently proposed to be used for the next two years and that represents all of our available fund balance. in addition to that, $8 million of continuing appropriations, so these are continuing projects, part of the illegal soft story program or illegal in-law program unit, the soft story program and older projects remaining balances we are proposing to deappropriate those so an additional $8 million on top of that totaling around $60 million. and, 4th item on the page as mentioned on the revenue slide, the difference between the growth from 23-24, to 24-25 is $13.6 million of revenue that we currently do not have

there details of but confident the fee study will address. it is really just a plug recognizing that in order to not reduce expenditures, we must submit a balanced budget. we are assuming the fee study will result in at least a $13.6 million revenue increase when we have confirmed that that is okay with the mayor's office for now, but again that will be discussed in the mayor's phase of the budget. next slide, please. that's the final slide and i would be happy to answer any questions. >> thank you. we'll take public comment first and then commissioner discussion. questions. before you start,

members of the public we are going to limit public comment to 2 minutes due to the number of speakers we have present. >> (inaudible) >> good morning, my name is jerry dratler and the comments today refer to the handout you just received. section 1 shows the $85.5 million expense budget for 23-24. 58 million or 68 percent of the budget is for employment cost. the next largest expenditures are $17

million for charges for other city departments and $5 million in grants to organizations that work with sro's. 58 million employment cost exceeds dbi plan tech fees and permit fees by $17 million. the current revenue budget is unable to fund current employee salaries and benefits. 20 percent increase in fees would only raise an additional $8 million. you have a $39 million problem. 3 9 percent of your budget is funded one time use of reserves. dbi and bic can't count on higher fees to solve the long-term expense problem. the number of employees is the problem. section 3

shows (inaudible) full time equivalent employees. what is the budgeted number this year? a schedule at the bottom of the page summarizes the 327 full time equivalent employees in the annual survey ordinance. 138 or 42 percent of the dbi employees have the word inspector in the job title. 87 or 27 percent of the employees have the word permit technician. dbi needs to reduce clerical positions and look reengineing the inspection process. thank you very much. >> next speaker.

>> she requires interpretation. is it okay if we take a little longer? >> yes. >> thank you. [waiting for translation] >> hi, everyone. my name is amy, a community organizer for sro family united collaborative and work with mono lingual low income families in china town. i hope the department of building inspection will not reduce the budget for sro families united collaborative because the funding is essential for our work to support families. i have live in a sro with major

maintenance issues for 4 years. [waiting for translation] >> through the help of organizers, we learned we could ask landlords to make repairs and deserve the right to liveane safe building and also learned how to contact city inspectors. this was a empowering experience. [waiting for translation]

>> i have been an organizer for 7 years now. every week single room occupancy organizers and i knock door to learn to see how families are doing, building conditions and are (inaudible) address the issues for the proper maintenance and repair services. we provide workshops and training for families who (inaudible) every year. educate tenants about

the sf building code and their right to (inaudible) we also host many community outreach (inaudible) provide important information and resources to the community. [waiting for translation]

>> it takes a lot of time for families to trust us to tell us their problems in the buildings and it takes a lot of trust for families to come to us for help. that's why our work is so important. i have built trust with families not only because we speak the same language and come from similar backgrounds but because we generally care about improving family living conditions. families come to us for help if they have a problem in their buildings and we always do our best to help the family. we successfully improved conditions of many sro buldings because of the support from dbi. please continue to fund the sro family united collaborative program so we can continue our work in improving families living conditions and providing essential services. thank you.

>> [waiting for translation]

>> hi, my name is (inaudible) i came to find out about china town (inaudible) building repair issues. i joined the sro family united collaborative. today i urge commissioners to not cut the budget for sro families united collaborative because the work has been doing is extremely important to us. people living in sro with low income

and minimal english. two months ago the water heater was damaged and no hot water for a month which effected the lives of every resident living in the building. we called the landlord but as soon as he heard the word water heater he hung up and didn't bother to pick up our calls later. finally got help from sro families united collaborative and through the coordination with the landlord the landlord finally changed his attitude towards residents. the landlord replaced the old heater with new water heater. everyone could live a normal life again. (inaudible) does not only provide services to help us better understand building regulations, the organizers also visit every week, provide us with educational workshops, host activities and provide important resources for us. sro (inaudible) so much help and support and it is

impossible for me to list everything they have done for us in these two minutes so i hope all commissioners do not cut the budget for sro, their support is very important to us. thank you. >> [waiting for translation]

>> hi, everyone. my name is (inaudible) my son in law has been living in the sro unit in china town for 6 years. i'm here today hoping that dbi will not cut any budget for sro

families united. two or three years of pandemic, life was extremely difficult for us families in sro's. when the pandemic started, everyone stayed at home and we all (inaudible) at one time, the stove was broken but after that all 4 or 5 of them were broken. we talked to the building manager a few times, but they never arranged for people to repair. finally, the organizers called the building management several time jz got it repaired. the stove is working, it doesn't have enough power so cooking takes a long time. there is no way

to follow up on maintenance, sanitation or other issues in our building without the help from the sro family united, because of our language skills are limited. we would not be able to contact dbi directly. i hope dbi will not reduce any funding for the collaborative in the budget. sro families united is very important for our families. thank you. >> [waiting for translation]

>> hi, everyone. my name is (inaudible) a family living in china town sro. today i urge dbi not to cut sro families united collaborative. we share communal bathrooms and showers. problems we face with toilets, leaking faucets and poor sanitation happen all the time. (inaudible) the

manager or owner say okay, but it was never done. that has a lot of trouble for us living in the building. because of the collaborative and (inaudible) we always go there for help and then our families have become part of the collaborative too. the organizers came to our buildings, visit us. they were (inaudible) on issues we have. they talked to our building managers and have helped to resolve a lot of issues and safety hazards. the sro family united not only help us improve our poor living conditions, but it also (inaudible) a lot of training that help me

understand tenants rights, building codes, fire prevention and disaster preparedness. as new immigrants we learn so much about american history and culture from the collaborative, which helps us better adapt to life here. sro family united help families tremendously. it gives us hope in our every day lives. i'm here to urge commissioners not to cut sro united family united budget. thank you. >> [waiting for translation]

>> good morning, my name is (inaudible) i have been living in the sro building in china town for 7 years. today i would like to urge the commissioners not it cut the funding for sro families united collaborative and to keep it under the management of dbi. the folks in my sro building is always broken. i tried to call the owner, but he never came to repair it. the only way i could get help is through sro family united collaborative because we speak the same language and it is easily accessible for the community. sro family united

collaborative is a community service organization i informed of the building issues then the organizer inspect and record the bidding condition with us. as well as communicating directly with the owner about the repairs. i have four children and because of sro families united collaborative help they are able to improve our building conditions and thankful for their frequent visit to our sro building and taking care of us and i feel a lot of support from them. we really need this type of service. please keep the funding for sro families united collaborative. thank you. >> [waiting for

translation]

>> good morning. my name is (inaudible) i'm a part of sro families united collaborative and live in china town with a family of 4. today i like to urge the commissioners to keep the funding for the implementation and outreach of sro families united collaborative. because our sro building is very old,

we encounter lots of maintenance issues. our bathroom floor is (inaudible) the water cannot drain in the bathroom, severe leakage problems, molding ceilings and walls. these problems bothered ush a long time. my two children-these building issues are no good for their health and safety and talked to the owner many times and issues were not solved. finally i turned to our organizers. our organizers were able to help us. after the organizer communicate with the nob when the organizer comes to visit she checks and document the condition of my building. if there is a problem she request repairs or visit directly from the owner. because of the assistance all the problems in our buildings and my family overall quality of life have improved. i'm thankful for the help and dbi support. thank you.

>> [waiting for translation]

finally support us. you, you, you and you can do it. thank

you so much. >> good morning everyone. my name is (inaudible) a sro organizing with chinese progressive association and thankful to dbi support and assistance to the sro families united collaborative which allowed us to serve over 200 low income sro families in china town. i work with sro families to build relationships through (inaudible) and phone call s and assisting them in connecting with landlords and building management to facilitate repairs. we also provide services in english, cantonese, mandarin and (inaudible) the entire is sro building at 614 jackson experienced a water leakage a few days ago due to heavy rains on january 16. the family called me about the issue and i work with the family to contact

the landlord and within two days the landlord repaired the plumbing and water supply was working. i am proud of the family because the family knew how to handle the situation with our support and assistance. thank you dbi for your ongoing support and allowing us to serve sro families. thank you for not regretting our grassroots community. please continue to support us. thank you. >> good morning, my name is rachel (inaudible) health counselor with china town community development center. i'm here to urge the commissioners to keep the program, stay in the dbi and funding amount remain unchanged. i have been working closely with tenants who have code enforcement related to health issue in the city. the

majority of the clients are china speaking and they came to us because of long-term relationship in the community. they know us (inaudible) monthly sro tenants meeting. (inaudible) tenants right workshop and stuff like that. from the workshop tenants learned landlords are responsible to make proper repairs so they rely on us when a landlord or property manager ignore the repair request or when they cannot communicate with the landlords. because they have lack of language proficiency. follow up with repair request could be a long fight. some ignore repair request on purpose. last year we had a case that the property management company (inaudible) was not responsive to tenants repair requests. because tenants have language barriers and insufficient knowledge. the tenants have no

choice but to seek help from us. through dbi and our combined effort, the landlord finally hired a chinese speaking liaison and solved the issue. like repairing the (inaudible) improve the condition in the common area, the bathroom and kitchen. some problems like pest control and water leak have not yet been fully resolved, the living condition of the tenants has been improved greatly. (inaudible) work very closely in the past years and we have already established our cooperation model. it has made tenants life easier. i caents imagine how difficult if there was a change in funding support therefore here to hurj encourage the commissioner to keep the program and remain unchanged. thank you so much.

>> [waiting for translation] >> good morning commissioners. my name is (inaudible) i'm a sro resident who lives at 1449 powell street here today to urge the commissioners not to reduce the program budget and continue maintaining the program in dbi. [waiting for translation]

>> in 2014 our living condition significant decrease because the building owner changed. the new landlord (inaudible) also we had made multiple request to repair or replace the kitchen stove since it was damaged by (inaudible) but the landlord ignored our request. [waiting for translation]

>> after facing the landlord we looked for china town community center for assistance. we could express our tenant right and file (inaudible) through the rent board. during the mediation we received response from the landlord and accept our request to include remaining that the pest control service, repair the kitchen stove and doing the (inaudible) [waiting for translation]

>> therefore under the program we received reduced rent and also (inaudible) also, educate the landlord to pay attention to our future requests and so i'm pleased to tell the commissioners do not reduce the budget on the program and (inaudible) in the future. thank you. >> thank you. >> good morning. my name is (inaudible) i'm a housing counselor at china town community development center. besides providing housing counseling to low

income tenants, we also cooperate with the chinese progressive association to provide bilingual educational workshop to empower sro tenants (inaudible) also tenants rights. from 2019 to 2020 and after (inaudible) we have 65 fire prevention (inaudible) workshops which educate 3733 tenants. over 40 percent of participants shows they increased knowledge of fire prevention and disaster preparedness. (inaudible) create tenants right supporting that is worked for them. (inaudible) our tenants knew where the location and the usage of fire (inaudible) fire

alarm and emergency exit in their buildings. they also (inaudible) disaster and earthquake program they learn how important to prepare one to two safety kits (inaudible) for heat, and many first aid kits in every household. moreover, some tenants (inaudible) create a support network. inspired by bilingual workshops. (inaudible) writing about leak repairs and facilitate repairs (inaudible) they also understood- >> if you could wrap up your comments. >> sorry? >> could you finish up your comments? your time

is up. >> thank you. also understood that tenants rights regarding the (inaudible) department of building inspection during the process. (inaudible) thank you. >> [waiting for translation] >> good morning. my name is (inaudible) i'm a building coordinator living in china town. i'm here to urge the commissioners to keep china town sro program stay in it dbi funding and also

remain unchanged. [waiting for translation] >> i live in a sro unit for more then 6 years. in 2022 i joined the building coordinator program at china town cdc. i learned so much knowledge through a series of lessens (inaudible) and tenants rights regulations in sro building and how to reach out to the loond lord when maintenance issues were found. [waiting for translation]

>> after the workshop as a bridge between the building and our community. when there is anything (inaudible) also let us know about the community news and information (inaudible) i will tell my neighbors and friends, therefore we can be more engaging in the community. i can even speak for myself in the city hall today.

this experience i have never had before i joined this program. [waiting for translation] >> i hope more of my neighbors in the community could join this program and engage in the community actively. this program is not helping sro tenants to learn about fire safety tips or the disaster preparedness tips and also let us realize we can contribute to our society. hence, i really hope this program can stay in dbi with unchanged amount of funding. thank you so much.

>> hello, everyone, my name is (inaudible) i'm a part of the mission sro collaborative team through deloris street community services. today i'm here to speak about the community in the mission. specifically those who call sro hotels a home. the home ownership becoming increasingly out of reach san francisco is quickly becoming a renter city. (inaudible) felt the effect of the pandemic especially when it comes to housing. while people might only see the challenges i see a opportunity to leverage into additional opportunities for accessible housing and community building. with the help of dbi, our collaborative has been able to successfully advocate for those who have been intimidated and harassed but the work is far from done. this last week a tenants invited me to discuss

a room change due to accessibility issue. she invited to see the room and saw it was roach infested, water damaged from the early january storm. we are seeing similar cases arise. i want to help those in the direct line of displacement and left behind by the new information economy. i hope to continue to advocate for the mission community with the help of dbi. thank you. >> hi. my name is (inaudible) a senior tenant organizer at mission single room occupancy collaborative today here to talk about and please urge commissioners to keep all the programs in dbi. the reason why is because a lot of people in the mission do get harassed by speaking up on just basic habitability issues. those tenants coming to us and asking for help and we have

to reach out to dbi. with dbi help we enforce the management and tenants and other managers to help keep the hotel s in very good conditions because without the conditions a lot of tenants will be in more danger. this is why i am keeping-why i urge commissioners to keep all the programs under dbi. thank you. >> good morning commissioners. my name is alisia sandovol. we provide counseling for tenants regarding getting repairs done. our counseling staff speak 5 different languages. it is very important for tenants to go to an organization they feel they can trust and feel comfortable with. we educate tenants about their

rights. many tenants are scared of asking for repairs from the landlord and feel they have no rights when it come hads to repairs. when a tenants learns the right through workshops or counseling they are empowered. i do spanish speaking know your right workshops by zoom or in person. when they learn their rights they are no longer scared. they ask the landlords for repairs. there was one case when the tenant told me that after she attended several of my workshops in spanish, she communicated to the landlord what repairs was needed. the landlord didn't give her a answer. then she told him, i know my rights. i attended workshops by housing rights committee organizers alyssa sandovol. when the landlord heard that he immediately agreed to the repairs.

tenants trust us. in the field it is important to be able to-not have any cuts when it comes to the cop or dbi money that is in need to support these tenants. we also collaborate with dbi inspectors. many times a dbi inspector call us and they call us so we can speak to the tenant. because they know the work we do. they know in order for our tenants to feel overall supported that housing rights committee can go and speak to the tenant. >> if you can wrap up your comments, ma'am. thank you. >> we support tenants also by attending director hearing through dbi. thank you. >> good morning.

tracey phillips, the code enforcement advocate for housing rights committee of san francisco and work in the bayview district. i grew up in the bayview district. i grew up and work where i grew up and there is no changing. i'm 56. people have been there near 35 years still can't get the services they need. what i do, i re-educate them. i help them write letters. i go in their houses and see what need to be done and we deal with the property manager, if the property manager don't give us what we need, i'll call the owner. i'll even go and sit on somebody door to get some service needed, but dbi funding-my job is

funded through dbi. if dbi get funded cut they will cut my service and be so nervous for la salle, bayview, hunter point. tenderloin, sunnydale. we all want to live in habitable housing. everybody don't have the money to call a plumber when a plumber come down. people like us, we go out and fight for tenant's rights. you heard all the chinese speaking tenants come up here. the same problems, even a little worse in the bayview, potrero hill, sunnydale, fillmore, la salle is worse. i just-it

isfunding needed. not just for me to keep my job, but saying it is funding for people, humans that go out and vote for these positions and that really really count on you guys to do your job- >> if you can wrap up your comments. >> i want to thank you guys and thank dbi and thank you so much for listening to us. >> hello. i'm sarah (inaudible) the director of housing rights committee of san francisco. as you can see from the comments today, does really important work in the community. working with tenants in pretty horid conditions. we are a important part of dbi and work hand in hand with the amazing dbi

inspectors. we do very connected overlapping things that we need each other for. as a enterprise department, this department lowered fees during the boom instead of putting them in reserves, and in these years when the economy goes down dbi's work doesn't go down. calls go up as investors who brought buildings in the booms stop returning tenants calls and making repairs. these tenants need you to raise fees to cover the cost of the enforcement. not try to pass on to the general fund which is also being cut in a hard year, and are you really collecting all the cost you are allowed to from those landlords who are the biggest problem? we really like you to look at

each and every way you recover cost from landlords who we have to go back to over and over to force them to do this work. and thank you all for listening today and all the work this department does. >> hello. my name is becky hom the contract and service director at (inaudible) just cause. dbi needs to increase its fees so there is funding to keep the $5.2 million community based organizations under dbi funds instead of from the general fund. (inaudible) just cause and all the groups you heard from today outreach, educate and council tenants about the right to repairs. tenants are impacted daily needing the eare pairs and we work with the tenants, work with housing inspectors to

resolve these issues and having consistent funding makes this possible. most of the funding that $5.2 million pays for staff and possible cuts impact not just staff like mentioned but also impacts the tenants. less staff means less support. you say you are trying to avoid cuts to the cbo by asking the mayor to fund it through the general fund, however in this year's budget instructions, the mayor is telling departments to cut funding by 5 percent in fiscal year 23-24 and 8 percent in fiscal year 24-25. this is the only dbi program funded by the general fund what does it mean for us? and also, maybe there is a guarantee for this year what happens in future years so dbi should raise its fees.

>> [waiting for translation] >> good morning. my name is (inaudible) and work with dolores street community service for more then 19 years. [waiting for translation] >> i want to remind us all we are experiencing the

worst era due to the pandemic and the sro's are in deplorable conditions and we need a lot of work to do so i'm asking to keep the funds for dbi and as a matter of fact, i'm asking you to increase the funds instead of changing them to the general funds. [waiting for translation] >> i want to make sure you know thanks to dbi we can insure housing codes. we help families and are the eyes of dbi. without dbi we can not help the community and

just not continue working. [waiting for translation] >> we focus on helping children in san francisco, so with dbi we are able to help these children. there is very little money so that is why i'm asking for an increase. we have hope in you and those kids also have hope in us to keep helping them. we believe in you and we would like to still believe in

if you if you help us. thank you. i will interpret and provide language assistance to our next speaker. >> [waiting for translation] >> hi. good morning. my name is (inaudible) and work for (inaudible) just cause since 2011. [waiting for translation] i'm here in support of dbi to keep its funds instead of transferred to the general fund. [waiting for

translation] dbi has been really helpful. the way it has been doing and going and brought good results for tenants and success stories. [waiting for translation] i have seen first hand with the support of dbi tenants repairs are happening with dbi and by doing so tenants are able to stay in their units. [waiting for translation] having a habitable unit helps

tenants not doing self-evictions because the units become habitable. [waiting for translation] helps tenants to be respected with tenant and human rights and why funds to stay in dbi will help us and-what was the last part? that was it. tenants rights and human rights all together. she is also thanking you all. >> now it is my turn. my name is (inaudible) and i work with (inaudible) as a counselor. throughout this time i have supported our black

somewhere latinx communities in the mission and excelsior neighborhood to stay in homes by informing about the housing code. works hard to provide the community with preventative information for tenants at anyhow your rights workshop. the knowledge prevents them from being afraid to request repairs they need in their homes. also provides counseling by phone. we help tenants wrilet bilingual letter to demand right for repairs and connect with dbi inspectors to insure repairs will be made. we had successful case where a tenant asked several times for repairs because of mold issues, smoke detector not working, damage to the ceiling and leaking under the kitchen sink. the tenant called the hotline. was able to refer the tenant to dbi where

inspectors (inaudible) could show up to the unit and make the landlord start the repairs the unit needed. as more repairs needed to be done, was able to communicate with inspector about the tenant availability for inspection visits since the tenant had a language barrier, as well as get the repairs needed in the tenant home. thanks to the prompt response of inspector (inaudible) and willing ness to share the report the tenant now is able to live with dignity in their home. to keep thefunding along with the funding for sro program s is indispensable for tenants and live in a safe habitable home regardless who they are or how much they pay for their rent. thank you for taking the time to listen to all of us. >> thank you. is there any

remote public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner discussion. >> bring it to the commission for questions or comments. commissioner neumann. >> it is incredible to see the impact code enforcement outreach program is having. it is remarkable. i just have a clarifying question alex. we are still funding those programs in the budget, it is merely at the discretion of the mayor whether that is covered through increase in fee or whether funding through the general fund?

>> correct. >> i believe a guest-commissioner tut. that is you commissioner-- >> pretty sure i'm still a guest. right down there. thank you commissioner neumann, that was the question i wanted to ask. i just wanted to say thank you to all the community that came out and spoke. i heard you loud and clear for sure. thank you. >> commissioner alexander tut does have a question. >> thank you. first of all, can you hear me? >> yes. >> okay. thank you to everyone in the community who came out. i know your time is valuable, and i'm so grateful for all the work you are doing. we want to see more of you so please continue to come. you don't have to be invited or

(inaudible) public comment is always open. i disclose that i previously worked for an organization funded by the (inaudible) program. this program is very important to me personally because i continue to keep in touch with many people who receive these services and provide these services and continue to have relationships with people who provide these services as well as receive the services but i believe i (inaudible) feedback on that. i believe you made your point very clear that you want dbi to continue to fund your services. it seems from commissioners comments before that that is intention of the

department is continue to have this (inaudible) i would have two motions i think will go hopefully satisfy the community and our commission and clarify our position, and the first is, i like to make a motion that clarify our position, but it is [audio cutting out] continue to fund the grant programs through dbi. >> commissioner you can state what we are but don't believe we are entertaining the motions at this time but you can state what they both are and we can come back to that with a deputy city attorney assistance. you can state what you would like them to be and get back to that. >> my first motion

would be that we take a position statement that the grant funding continues to be in the dbi budget. the second was, i was going to refer to staff for information on this, but the board of supervisors passed ordinances to wave existing fees and then reimburse dbi for the cost of those fees, and i think that it maintains the intention of the department, but grants a level of policy protection or clarification is asking for the mayor to reimburse this-or to provide the funding that we instead do the same thing we did for other fees or the board of supervisors did for other fees, which is to request

that issue a fee waver and then reimburse us for the cost of the program. that will help to off-set the debt or sorry, off-set the cost and help us meet our budget goals, at the same time that if that fee were to expire it would automatically-the waver would expire and be funded by dbi. so, that was my second motion. is that the way that we address the request to fund the proposal is have a little more structure to it. so that's my question on those two. >> okay. >> i have other questions about the budget, but i

think i can hold those (inaudible) >> commissioner has a question or comment. >> had a couple questions regarding your presentation. thank you for it. i recall last year-i may be wrong. i recall last year there was discussions of open staff positions and potentially having those remain open. is that-as a way of reducing cost without laying anyone off. you mentioned in your presentation all staff positions arecurrently filled. do you know there is any change in staff from last year to this year, the number? >> there is distinction clarification i should make between budgeted positions and budgeted and funded positions. there are over 320

something fte that is our hiring authority in the budget, however, we also budget attrition, which is negative expenditure, so that we are not able to-not all the positions budgeted, not all the authority we have to hire is funded, so when i say that all positions are filled, what i mean is all budgeted and funded positions are filled. we have additional hiring authority, but we do not have the dollars to fund those positions. >> okay. >> to also acknowledge mr. dratler's comments on number of fte and positions in general, that is still heavily under development and collecting proposals from all the departments and all of their wish list items, what positions they like to fill, what positions they like to change or move, and so that is still highly variable. the only

items i brought are the items that are fairly confident will actually move forward to the full proposal and the remainder of the proposals we will discuss and see what we can fund. >> it seems like we don't yet know-you mentioned the fee study isn't included in this coming year's budget. that is the most conservative way to do it? >> yes. so, in our budget submission now our february department budget submission it is not considered. however, in april in the mayor's phase of the budget when the fee study is complete and results areprinted presented to us we will bring the resultf othe fee study to the commission and share with the mayor office and say the fee study shows in order to recover cost we need to increase fee xyz by 1, 2, 3 amount and then the mayor will make policy decisions and tweak those amounts.

>> sounds like this conversation i guess will be ongoing? >> yes, this is definitely very preliminary amounts. few changes especially on the revenue side this year. the budget is ongoing intensive process that will go all the way up through july. >> we are also projected to use up the rest of our fund balance, meaning this conversation changes in a year time i assume. we have new information and new revenues or other things- >> yes. that use of fund balance is as of today assuming no revenue increases. in april when the fee study comes up, presumably the fee study will ask for or say that in order to recover expenditures fees need to be increased. if that happens then and the mayor allows it then revenues would be increased and the use of

fund balance would be decreased. that complete use of fund balance now that is very much a place-holder and assumes that no additional revenue will come in, which hopefully will not continue to be true. >> right. i have a really miner question. more curiosity. on the proposed budget revenue side for interest and investment income, i was curious why that is projectsed to go up when the fund balance is going down? >> so, that was-again, i did not change it from the prior year submission, because that is a controller number. they say don't touch that. that will go down. >> got ya. >> when that does we'll need additional fee revenue to pay for that or additional expenditure cuts somewhere else. >> got ya. >> those numbers and for the most part many of the

services of other departments, dbi does not control those, those are input by controller office or mayor office and they just are what they are. >> thank you for your help. >> sure. also wanted to echo the commissioner comments and thank all the public comment and organizations for the work they do, and i believe our communication director patrick hanen would be would be upset if i didn't advertise dbi website. we have come out with a new website with translation for various languages and trying hard to insure our services are accessible and encourage everybody to reach out to us. call 311 and let us know and we'll try to help how we can. >> i have questions. so, i wanted to reiterate that point on the website because i did go to the website number of people

were speaking. the website is much clearer and forms are easier to fill out so encourage all the community organizations that spoke today and spread the word that the website is much clearer, much more readinable and much more accessible. thank you everybody for your comments. i do have one question though. what year-you said 24-25-we are running what will be a deficit of $12 million, is that correct? 12.4? 12.5? what year do you see that being a negative? >> so, the- >> let's forget all the scenariosism given the fact no further revenue-revenues are going to be static, is it 24-25 we hit zero on the fund balance? >> yes. if no revenue increases are projected and all of what is in here

this expenditure budget comes pass exactly as written then we would run out mid-24-towards the end of 24-25. >> so, that's not an unreasonable projection to make considering that san francisco is one of the slow est cities in the country to recover. you are basically making projection that is fairly neutral. you are saying you are not expecting it go down but not expecting it to go up considerably. >> on the revenue side we are including 18 percent reduction to permit revenues and assuming that in the next two years, so we feel like that is a conservative projection and hopeful we will collect more then that, but that is built into these revenue numbers. >> so, the reduction is built into that number then? >> correct. yes. >> that seems reasonable given where we are right now

in the economy. >> yes, current year we showed last month or earlier this month revenues are coming in lower then budget currently by a few percent, not 18 percent, but if this status quo and some projects that may have been further along stop happening then we are expecting worse case scenario of 18 percent. >> i guess a question to dbi and maybe pat hanen or director rearden, we have a second budget meeting, right? >> february 14. >> correct. do you think it is worth walking through the website for these housing inspection claims so people are aware? part of what all the organizations are trying to encourage is self-empowerment and the best way to do that is understand the resources available independently so encourage that to be

part of the budget. >> absolutely president bito. we can look at that- >> is your mic on? looks like it is. >> it is on. absolutely we can work with you on that. >> i think that walking through the forms and various languages and i believe that a lot of those are interpretative so if you can walk us through all that that would be-i think that would be eve frn the commissioners and myself to see that that would be great because i was looking at the forms while people were speaking to understand the legibility of the complaints. the fact dbi responds in 72 hours when they receive a complaint so i think that would be important in order to empower the community of san francisco to understand what dbi has to offer. >> yes, we will do that. >> i don't have further questions. >> commissioner

alexandser tut has another question. >> yes, i had just (inaudible) in order to make room for discussion. i did have questions, particularly around the 18 percent revenue estimate. i'm curious because the current is 4 percent, and (inaudible) mayor budget instructions are 5 percent in year one and [audio cutting in and out] i like to know more about how the 18 percent was found and if you could help me understand the 18 percent. the most conservative possibility when we are currently at 4 percent. thank you so much. >> i see deputy director pera. hopefully can respond. >> yeah. thank you alex, thank you for the question

commissioner tut. the 18 percent as alex mentioned earlier on we are still urfly earl ea in the budget here and revenues are still relatively difficult to project, just because it is earl ea in the year. my estimate of 18 percent was based on what we saw as a result of reductions during the pandemic as well as the-which was around 13-15 percent. furthermore, the fact the economic landscape going forward has-my conversation with other building officials and members of the construction industry developers further exacerbating that number because they are less

likely to move forward with their investments in projects. projects in the pipeline would likely continue to be put on hold until the economic forecast is better. just suggested (inaudible) saw in the industry by another couple 3 to 4 percent. it is still a guess though. it is a estimate. >> did you hear that response? >> i did. is the rest of industry predicting 15 percent, all comparatively having a 4 or 5 percent decrease this year? is that apple to apples?

>> no. again commissioner tut, that is a estimate. it's taking the-what we saw as a reduction over the last 2 and a half years or so and just continuing that on with another -seeing it will increase with the economic forecast. >> sorry, seeing increase with the economic forecast? >> correct. if people are a little more uncertain about the way the economy is going to turn around so we see that developers and building officials are seeing with their constituents as well that it is going to continue at least for the next couple years

to trend downwards. >> thank you. if you-it seems extremely conservative to say we are 4 percent this year and (inaudible) that does seem like a pretty shocking blow to the economy and prediction, so if there is any information that comes up between now and our next meeting i would appreciate the most updated information on that so thank you. (inaudible) this is about a fte. if we have the suggestion for--existing or change fte, does it need to be in the budget or can that be presented [audio cutting in and out] out of budget?

>> it must happen in the budget. >> particularly for positions that the commission has authority to hire directly over. >> so, there are two pieces for department ability to hire. there is fte that is the authority to hire a position and then there is the dollars, and so yes, the department must have hiring authority to hire any position changes that we want to make. we must do in the budget. there are mechanisms to make small changes throughout the year, but there are limits on those, so departments do have the ability to temporarily exchange position hiring authority, however that is very limited and requires approvals from the mayor's office. >> thank you. is that

the process wise is that something that we would make a motion for here? is that something that we should connect with you before the next meeting? what is the right process for that? >> be happy to take any suggestions and add them to the wish-list of all positions that we are compiling from all dbi compartments and then yes, next meeting we will-we should have more solid picture of which specific position changes we will plan to put forth in the department submission. so, now or any time before the next meeting feel free to reach out and give any position guidance. >> thank you. i will make my suggestion, which nobody knows

about so--i would like to explore the idea of having a manager 1 position report to the commission with the long-term intention of eliminating the (inaudible) hopefully having this person [audio cutting out] >> can you repeat that? >> yes. can you hear me okay? >> i heard it but it went in and out. you said manager position and something else. >> [unable to hear speaker] long-term intention of having that be what replaces the commission secretary. i understood this is common in other (inaudible) other manager 1 positions that report to commissions and i like

to explore that possibility. >> so, you-to clarify because you are going in and out you said you wanted to propose hiring a manager 1 position and then to replace the commission secretary position? >> not in the same calendar, but that would be the-my hope would be so it is smooth transition. (inaudible) >> interesting. >> yes, i like to explore the idea of having a manager 1 position support the commission. >> okay. >> i think (inaudible) >> i think the request needs to go to the commission before it

goes to dbi. i don't understand the request. >> deputy city attorney, i think what commissioner is requesting is just information what that would look like at the next meeting if that could be included in the budget but agree not entirely sure what is being asked for but clarify the commission discussion right now is for further information at the next meeting so it can be part of it budget discussion but we cannot make a direct personnel decision on hiring today nor- >> not suggesting hiring we are somebody but-the secretary of the commission is separate from the staff at dbi? >> secretary of commission is defined in the charter and separate from staff of dbi, but to the excitant -

>> understood, but she does function as part of the commission in service of the commission not in the service of dbi. >> perhaps commissioner alexander tut can clarify what she is actually requesting but i think what she asking is more information what this would look like at the next meeting. >> thank you deputy city attorney. what i have come to understand is there are limited promotional opportunities within certain classifications and that perhaps other policy changes that need to take place, but in looking towards -looking for opportunities for promotion and for maybe a better job description that fits-that we require of the commission secretary is maybe a better fit of manager

1 position and it would-the term manager might be confusing but this is more about how civil service processes in the city work and less about moving people from (inaudible) to dbi for the position in the (inaudible) i am curious exploring the possibility of having [audio cutting in and out] having the person that reports to us be a manager 1 instead of a secretary as a long-term possibility. >> deputy city attorney, i think what commissioner alexander tut is asking is the financial ramification if there was a promotion to manager 1. does that restate your request? >> perfectly. thank you deputy

city attorney. >> yes, that is clear. >> thank you. >> thank you. further commissioner discussion? >> i had a question on the deappropriation of the $8 million. so, does that just mean there isn't-enough significant work in those special programs like the soft story program and things like that you can let go of the funds and be supported through the general day to day work of dbi or can you explain how you are able to deencumber the funds. >> correct the work on the illegal in-law and soft story program are largely complete and now routine part of the operating budget and these are remaining balances that are assumed to be used until deappropriated so when we deappropriate the $8 million, that will return to the fund balance and be an

additional source for us to use to balance the current budget. >> so, there are no employees funded or depending on the funds any longer, they are all in the general day to day work now? >> correct. all current dbi employees are operating employees. there is only one possible potential future special project funded employee and that is project manager for the permit tracking system replacement and we already have budget for that position. >> i don't believe there is any further questions. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i believe at this meeting if i'm clear deputy city attorney said there isn't a vote required on the budget at this meeting, but we are supposed to do a motion regarding the

second meeting? >> deputy city attorney, i think it would be appropriate to have a motion to consider the budget at the next meeting. >> like to mike a motion to consider the budget at the next meeting. >> are we required to have the second meeting? >> deputy city attorney, yes, by the charter we must hold two public hearings on the budget. >> okay. >> second the motion. >> there is a motion and second regarding holding the next budget meeting, which is scheduled on february 14. i'll do roll call vote on the item. [roll call] that motion carries

unanimously. also i like to mention for the february 14 meeting, commissioner neumann isn't available, so all five commissioners are required to be at that next meeting for there to be a official vote on the budget. thank you. next we have item three, which is adjournment. is there a motion to adjourn? >> so moved. >> second. >> all commissioners in favor? >> aye. >> we are now adjourned. it is 1208 p.m. thank you. [meeting adjourned]

>> good morning welcome to rules of the board of supervisors for today-month-old, january 30, 2023. i am for this last meeting the chair of the committee aaron peskin joined to my right by vice chair supervisor mandelman.

and to my left by committee member supervisor connie chan. our clerk is mr. victor young and it has been a pleasure working with you colleagues and clerk young the last couple of years as chair of ruleless. thank you for your service and your work. our -- same goes for deputy city attorney ann pierson. >> clerk, do you have announcements. >> yes it is board and committees hybrid meetings. while providing remote access via phone. the board recognizes equal access is essential and take public comment first will be taken on each item. those in person allowed to speak first then those waiting on the phone. watching 26, 28, 78 or 99 and sfgov.org the call in number is

streaming. the number is 415-554-0001 then access code: 2481 9318934 ## you will hear the meeting discussions but muted and in listening mode onliful when your item come up. and public comment is called those in person lineup to speak and those on the line dial star 3 to be added to the speaker line. >> if you submit by e mail tell be forwarded to the supervisors and part of the official file.

you may sxhentds u.s. mail to city hall 1 dr. carlton b. goodlett place room 244, san francisco, california 94102. >> thank you. mr. young. our deputy city attorney is reviewing the latest version of the military equipment policy why don't we call items 3-6 together out of order. >> item 3, motion appointing engardio to the golden gate highway and transportation district board of directors. item 4 is a motion apointing engardio term ending december first of 23 as alternate to the california state association of counties. item 5 is a motion appointing hilary ronen termening june 30 of 23 to the bay area government

executive board. item 6 is a motion appointing supervisor preston term ending february 4, 2026 to the local agency formation commission. item 7 is motion appointing connie chan as an alternate to the san francisco local agency formation commission. i did not call for 7 this is okay, mr. young. is there public comment on any of these appointments of members of the board of supervisors tonies various bodies of california state association of counties the bay area government. lafco, the golden gate bridge highway and transportation district. anybody in chambers who would like to comment. is there remote comment on items 3-7. >> members of the public who are on the phone line, listening

remote call 415-554-0001, access code: 2481 9318934 ##. forthose in the queue wait until the system indicated have been unmuted that may begin your comments we have one caller. >> first speaker. please. >> david pilpel 2 comments on item 3. not clear to me why this would be a committee report the next meeting of the bridge district board is not until end of february i did not seat urgency for this to go as a committee report for tomorrow and in the sure if supervisor chan can participate in item 7. other then and there that i have no objection to the proposed appointments and -- possible low

reappointments. thanks. >> public comment is closed. why i did not originally call it we will not vote on it where supervisor chan present. with that i will make a couple of housekeeping amendments. on item 3 -- we need to conform the in title with language within the motion. and so i will move to amend as line 9. the date 2023 to 2025. on that motion a roll call, please? >> yes. on that motion. supervisor chan? >> aye. >> vice chair mandelman. >> aye. >> chair peskin. >> aye. >> the motion passes without

objection. >> and then item 5. i will make a motion to remove the word in the long title at line 3 as an alternate. replace with the letter, a, a member and line 9 to turn seat 3 into seat 2 and strike the word, alternate. so this it is clear that supervisor ronen is being appointed seat 2 not an alternate seat but permanent seat. i'm informs that is in the a substantive change a roll call, please. >> on that motion. supervisor chan? >> aye. >> vice chair mandelman. >> aye. >> chair peskin. >> aye.

the motion passes without objection. okay. and then i want to thank the clerk of the board of supervisors for putting out the survey of supervisors to serve on the outside board and commissions. and for the individual members who have aplied filling a number of long-term vacancies i want to thank supervisor engardio for stepping up to joiz supervisor mandelman in a number of outside bodies abag and the association of counties as well as supervisor ronen. approximate with those amendments can we take items 3-6 together. and sends them with recommendation as committee reports? as amended in the cases 3 and 5

on that multifaceted motion mr. clerk a roll call, please. >> one moment. if you don't mind i have been getting i -- sorry my apologies. there were indications that supervisor ronen was going to step down in favor of supervisor melgar. >> i have not heard a word of that and i have no e mails to that affect and i know nothing of it. i had my staff meet thanksgiving morning i'm up-to-date on my e mails as of 9:58 in morning. and this it is news to me. and if they would like to do that they can make that suggestion at the full board tomorrow and we can be send it become if this is the case. >> yes. why my apologies i was trying to -- not heard a word until this moment and the show is going on. >> okay.

>> i believe item 3 will be upon recommend as amended committee report. item 4, will be recommend as a committee report. item 5 will be recommend as a report and item 6 will be recommended as committee report. on those motions, supervisor chan. >> aye. >> my apol joes i vote while there is -- discussion going on. one minute. we will recess for 2 >> we'll reconvene rules for today january 30, 2023.

and let me start by rescinding my motion that we were just about to vote on. and -- i would like to offer an amendment to item 5 already amended once. to replace rumor was true, mr. young, supervisor hillary ronen with supervisor melgar for seat number 2 to the association of bay area governments. why don't and then i once we vote on i will do this the same motion i would like to make that motion and continue item 5 to the next meeting of the rowels committee alcohol be chaired by supervisor dorsey. on that motion to substitute supervisor melgar for supervisor

ronen for the appointment to abag item 5 a roll call, please. >> and this is also vote for the others. why only an amendment to item 5 and congress that item to this committee >> item 5, to amend and continue to the next meeting of rowels committee, on that motion supervisor chan. >> aye. >> vice chair mandelman. >> aye. >> chair peskin. >> aye. >> the motion passes without objection. >> now i will make a motion to sends item 3 as amended as i committee report, item 4 as a committee report. item 6 as a committee report with recommendation for tomorrow's board of supervisor's meeting. on that motion a roll call, please. >> yes, on that motion, supervisor chan. >> aye. >> vice chair mandelman.

>> aye. >> chair peskin. >> aye. >> the motion passes without objection. >> and while item 7 has been called we'll go to that later on this morning's agenda. mr. clerk this should be quick. lieutenant and council from the sheriff's department. could you read item 2. >> yes, item 2 an ordinance amending the administrative code a city policy against seek sez iingination letters from importance seeking or being considered for appointment or reappointment to city boards and commissions and other city bodies. >> thank you, mr. young. this ordinance is sponsored chiefly by supervisor preston and cosponsored by a number of other supervisors including myself. and with that supervisor preston

the floor is yours. >> thank you so much, chair peskin and vice chair mandelman and supervisor chan for hear thanksgiving today. thank you chair peskin for your cosponsorship of this. approximate we don't have a formal presentation on the item but i have remarks. colleagues, i introduced this ordinance in response to last year's revelation that the mayor was requesting undated resignation letters from a number of appointed commissioners as her discretion. max carter blew the whistle on this practice approximate thanks to him the letters collected by mayor's office were deemed unenforceable. when this came to light, i believe that the practice was a problem. on various levels including some later highlighted by the city attorney's office and the public memo issued in this matter.

first, requiring a commissioner to sign an undate letter that can be filed any time. places appointed commissioners at risk of undue it influence by appointing authority. regardless what the mayor and representatives have said regarding their plans to use these letters there is in reason we should leave the decision whether to use undated resignation letter to the whims of an appointing authority. for the police mission and others this contradicted the city charter. which states specific low that the board of supervisors must approve00 autoremoval of any police commissioners even police commissioners appointed by the mayor. and this is not spelled out in the city attorney's memo. i found the practice a problem because it underminds the

purposes of many of our commissions. commissioners and other appointees should feel empowered provide meaningful oversight and guidance to our departments. otherwise, what is point? so, in order to address the issues the legislation before you will set forth as city policy that an appointing authority may not ask or require a person's seeking appointment to a mission or other city body to prepare or submit a letter of residence ignition prior to our as a condition of their appointment. it clarifies the decision whether to resign from a committee or city body rests with the appointee even if the authority asks resignation. my hopes the ordinance will help avoid situations like what we saw unfold last september. and prevent this from coming up

in the future x. that tell top about appointing authority requesting undated residence ignition letters from their commissioners in an attempt to exert control over them. as i wrap up on this, i would be remiss not to recognize that the circumstances giving raise to this legislation or related the extremely personal changes that were being occurred to ban pretext stops the police commission passed a few weeks ago this come left week as you all know the memphis police department released vo of police officers beating a black man to death after a pretext stop it is important we ban pretext stops here in san francisco and the police mission come commissioner cart or to enact the policy banning pretext stop in san

francisco in spite of the political pressure he was facing exetch foils why it is crucial to make sure commissioners use independent judgment as they w with community with stake hold and city diameters and elected officials to credit nuance but transformational policies. with that, happy to answer questions our city attorney is also here if there are legal quos temperature i thank deputy city attorney an pierson for their work in putting this together. thank my cosponsors president peskin and also supervisors walton and ronen and also. to rescue noise and thank my legislative aid for her work on that. thank you. >> thank you supervisor preston, supervisor mandelman.

>> thank you chair peskin. it sometimeless the case on this body have a dprn view and will not support the ordinance today. i question whether it is necessary. in that -- the letters that were requested appear to have been ineffective and appear to have been a protection that the -- several mayoral administrations have sought in error about whether the letters many anything at all. my take away is different from some off body i'm not oshg felonieded the mayor's office and this area and others have sought some way of ensure a mechanism to remove more easy

low remove appointees not doing that the executive wanted those appointees doing on commissions where the mayor may have a narrow majority. i think -- there are commissions and commissions there are commissions this have you quasi ajudeicate function and policy and hiring and firing functions and i think my feeling about what the mayor's authority to try to pull out one of her appointise dependses on what the different functions of the commission are. the police department case and police commission case, public safety now is i think if not the issue of the concern it san franciscans. they look to the mayor to set

policy and run hear police department in a way that advances criminal yesterday reform and keeps francescas save. because of the way our charter works she no longer apores to be alined with the majority of the commission over seeing a department that in some version of a chart is above. >> that is challenging and i think when i think about the problem with san francisco i'm not seeing excess of executive mirrial authority i see a government disuneified. run through a number of commissions that you know that

seem to independent. it took chair peskin a lot of work and effort to rairn in one commission that probably ought to be most low independent. it is not setting policy. general low should be insulated from us unless until they are doing things that are insane. so i thought this was an interesting issue a complicated one and was in the deeply oshg fenldzed by what the mayor's office was trying to do even though it was ineffectivism don't feel the mead to vote and will not be today. >> thank you for sharing that

view, supervisor mandelman. and it is a thorny concept within i'm not speaking pacific he about resignations in the larger context of the diffuse gentlemanal structures we have with an executive and legislative branch and devolved 4 and authority to a number of commissions. having said that, and this come from my view and experience with a breadth of different commissions in the city and outside the city. the notion of the exercise particular low in quasi judicial bodies. of independence is pair mount. i was chagrinned a number of years ago as a member of the california state coastal commission. when i found out that one of my colleagues having trouble in vast political pressure over what was to my mind and a major of commissioner's mind a fair and just application of the california coastal act as related a project. this individual confided in me that the reason this commissioner was having trouble come least low agreed ha -- i was right on the issue.

was because she had signed such a residence ignition letter i found to be profound low troubling. she ultmitt low did cast her vote for the right thing and was not fired or undated residence ignition letter was in the used against her. it was high prosecute file project on california's coast. which -- you know was going to i think harm the interest of californians and i have seen the same thing on san francisco's planning commission which is when lead to the passage of prop d in 2003 when then mayor brown would tell his commissioners how to vote on items. and the public manage in for fair impartial hearings on the application of the law, were getting screwed and lead to a distrust in san francisco's

gentleman and that is why we created the charter provisions the voters voted for in the face of a wave of money that allowed those commissioners to actually vote their conscious pursuant to the law. and i would say that -- the trust and confident in the planning commission has increased great low since those days. for all of those reasons, and i understand supervisor mandelman's larger concerns about the role of the executive that people vote for, i am a proud cosponsor of item 2. and i will not belabor it why don't we open public comment on this, oops sorry, victor. supervisor preston you want to say something. >> okay. why don't we open up public ment on item 2 and get back to ab481.

>> yes. members of the public had wish to speak and join nothing person line up to speak at this time. for those remote call 415-554-0001, access code: 2481 9318934 ##. >> we have one person for public meant at this time. >> please, come forward >> good morning member of the board of prierzs thank you so much for the time for public comment on this. i'm michael a district 9 resident. a mont okay launchedage anticaucus and proud of this mission. everything you said president

peskin thank you very much. for your comments this is the reason i'm here to support item twom and passage. but thank you all for the time to listen to me. have a good morning >> thank you. >> are there remote speakers for this item? >> we have 4 persons not guilty line for remote public comment. >> first caller? thank you, good morning why the organization seek preempive resignations and bodies credits limitations on the individuals ability to make decisions. people seeking appointment or reappointment should not being forced give the authority collateral like a resignation all right to be ash pointed. city commission and boards meant top have oversight duties and

take input. the individuals have residence ignition letters can prevent inspect decisionmaking based on data and public concern and lead to bend to the will of authorities or face extreme pressure that under mines the function of commissions and city bodies to fulfill duty and responsibilities. porcommissioner burton former chair called it, horse shit. the pressure residence ignition can condition strain commissioners and, pointes from meeting with members of the public. we witnessed this play out with mayoral appointise for the police commission through the mayor's unsuccessful attempt its derail the review process. leverage in this influence. [inaudible] attempt to deriwhat commissioner carter was lookinga

the and the other appointise refuse to meet with community members and [inaudible] from very misleading statements about the dgo and derail and under mine that process. the city structure can trust they are making decisions based on evidence and feedback and pressure and threats. we ask yes on this ordinance. thank you. >> this is chad i strategyly support this ordinance. undated residence ignition letter system contrary to accountability. our commissioners approximate board members are to be autonomous and to intercept and over see city guidelines that nobody else should be

interfearing w. pass this ordinance this is basic ethics of government of thank you so much. >> next speaker, please. >> good morning i'm brent turner i'm speaking on [inaudible] the behalf of the [inaudible] lgbt lgbt anticorruption caucus express full support with sproirz preston regard thanksgiving matter the events rerolled the past few months forcing predated residence ignition letters on appointees is another case of corrupting forces, controlling the san francisco county government. the equation of the overly clever mayor and clever city attorney and now all powerful board president work nothing tandem to circumvent the charter

and public interests left the public exaceerated we theed the political players use the resignation letters part of the [inaudible] to control appointees. to note the severity nancy pelosi's chief of staff [inaudible] from the power and intimidation of the current mir there were 20 victims as well as the publics. woe real noted [inaudible] and stacking of this commission by supervisor peskin working with mir breed. the public [inaudible] and [inaudible] we are better than this. we can do better than this. the public rejects the sentiment others have done this dirty deed therefore it is acceptable. thank you

>> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hey this . is chris i want to call in put my 2 cents appointed to a city commission. this ordinance is absolutely necessary. it is i basic matter. ethic in how our city works the point of, pointing people to commissions they have expertise or sfrns that is useful not for them to be proxy of the elected official who appointed them. there should be independence there. and i think the [inaudible] brought up it is like in addition to the mayor appointing police commissioner and the chief and to have this and have the commissioners with the threat of resignation any moment. this is not a billions in the government. i think the ordinance is necessary. and would like to [inaudible].

thank you very much. >> thank you. why can we have the next caller? >> good morning allen calling and i'm calling to support the comments of my supervisor, supervisor mandelman. to hear supervisor preston talk about how this will help guard undue influence on commissions seems absurd to the public. we just watch third degree board 5 months before [inaudible] her appointment was expired watched this board shove her through and so, we think that undue influence this is i bad thing we need to avoid it but you need to look inworried not out ward when you are trying to correct this. that's my comments. thank you, supervisors.

>> thank you. can we have the next caller? hi i'm edward i live and work in san francisco the last 10 years and organize and tech worker coalition sad to hear the board believes this is positive mechanician for appointmenting commissions and. and not the mayor's department and responsible for everyone time the p d killed someone. responding where the victim and person attacking the victim escalate the situation. be clear sfpd is in the a model of reform the not foolish to say they don't appear antipolice those antipolice violence and create public safety for all. this ordinance is absolutely

necessary and i support it. thank you. can we have our caller. great. david pilpel you thank you is a good approach in law this discipline not cover busied created by resolution. there men a few bodies that advise the board that were created by resolution i don't think we are doing that anymore. nor does it cover passive meeting bodies in the sunshine. i would suggest that you consider dub indicating the file. and amend it in the future. were make it explicit. defined in this legislation that are appointed by the board of supervisors arbitrate of submit

resignation letters to the clerk of the board. so it is clear. this that is where the residence ignition letters should be directed and final low, i would encourage to you ask the city attorney to rescueicize this with 1.57 the online data base of piments to bodies. it is important to keep that data base updated so any resignation letter should be prompt low trig are an update to that data base so this vacancy can be known. along with the maddy act and other vac analysisy posting and timing requirements. so. there is a small but important area of law related appointments resignations and vickanceies for various bodies not just boards and commissions but add sunrise

row body and wanted to suggest all of that be harmonized. thank you very much for listening. >> thank you. that was our last remote caller. public comment is closed and final comments supervisor preston. >> thank you chair peskin i want to thank everyone who called in. i will say that i thought we had really come together to in agreement of the under lying practice here was a problem. i think upon even the mayor's office representatives when they came before the gao committee on these practices vowed not to condition them. the city attorney's memo i referenced earlier made clear. and so i will say i'm disappointed hear any defense of this practice. i think this is the kind of back

room approaches and potential manipulation of commissioners that stands in the way of change and leads people to lose faith in government. i do want to note that you know this is today the first time i'm hearing at my office heard concerns from any colleagues about this ordinance. again i thought this was something we come together and decided it would be good to be moving forward with clarity and make sure this does not happen again. on the issue -- around the mayor's power. i want to issue clear and don't anyone to wuk away thinking the mayor lacks the power to remove a commissioner. you know the mayor has the power to remove someone she ash pointses she has to follow the chart exert go through the process.

that is set fourth and follow the law. that dependses on the commission and appointment hat rules are. when we don't get to do is circumvent the rowels whether the board president or the mayor or whatever the a pointing authorities you don't ignore the rowels. require an undated resignation letter this sits on your desk you can file when a commissioner does something you don't, prove of. the other thing is this ordinance does not bar an appointing authority from ask for a resignation. to the extent that the mayor or whoever the authority is displeased with the conduct of an appointed commissioner, they are fro and it is in the ordinance, they are still fro to ask for a resignation. when they can't do is require an undated residence ignition letter to hold on and hang over

the head of commissioners who are supposed to be engaged in inspect in exercise of their judgment. so. i will just close by saying that -- if people believe there is a problem with the removal procedures something that needs to be addressed. you than is a conversation we can have bring forward a principle. we can't have a situation where apointing authority the mayor this mayor or future mayor board of president, future board presidents come up with these type of ways to circumvent the system of removing lay outside in the charter. i urge support, thank you very much. >> thank you. and with that -- why don't we have a roll call on a motion to send item 2 to the full board with a positive recommendation mr. young call the roll. >> yes.

on that motion. supervisor chan. >> aye. >> vice chair mandelman. >> no. >> chair peskin. >> aye. >> the motion passes with supervisor mandelman dissenting in committee. could you read item 1. yes. an ordinance amending the if an apology needs of law enforcement equipment the sheriff's consistent with the crip tear naacp why in state law and the use of equipment policy. >> the sheriff's department not for that little procedural hiccup before the meeting started i would have taken you in the order that were on the agenda as item 1. thank you for your patience. moreover and important low thank you to sheriff and his staff. and counsel for hai think has

been a really model process around our implementation of bill 481. which this committee well knows was quite electy and difficult. in the case of the previous ab481 policy. that the police department brought that -- ended up with initial headlines and not only a half a dozen different hearing in this committee but appearances at the board of supervisors that has not marked the case with the sheriff's department -- that with little w on mine and my staff's part. ir thank and acknowledge my staff for his work on this. was a model in so farz the sheriff's department work

directly and clantive with the american friends's service committee and did so and listened and there was a back and forth. which resulted in the updated equipment will list policies that are before us this morning that were amended as early as 5:50 a.m. today. and while i will not speak on behalf ofien fer tu, i'm in receipt of e mills from her i think share the sentiment that ronnie singh at the sheriff's office andllow lute coons have listened and adjusted accordingly. having said that, i don't think that there is totalune millenniumity but close and i will repeat the words that weutters relating to the police department's military equipment

policies. which is this this it is the baseline first time out. these policies will come become to this board of supervisors as required under law. each year, so there are opportunity to do that. and now i will drill down in irrelevant when i think is the only remaining issue having to do with a half dozen unused submachine guns. that the heckler submachine guns the mp5 policy in the possession of the department. i think they have not been used and not operable. the sheriff's office can put in their word fist they desire that come next year i the make a slight amendment the end of calendar year. i want to line up as i said and

the sheriff was fine with the police department and sheriff's department policies they come to this committee in the bull board at the same time and not over i period of time. that if you will come forward with additional training should you unmoth ball that weaponry. with that, colleagues, i have circulated a few amendments that i spoke to to the actual ordinance itself. one was -- to just bring the recitals on page 2 up-to-date. because a lot of things happened since this was first introduced. those strike outs on page 2 from lines 5 to 15. and then there the insertion of the fact on december 13th, the board of supervisors adopted the

police department's equipment policy. and then based on that date, and our desire to lineup the reporting, rather than it being a year from when the board approves this policy. next week or there were, that they the report be at the board of supervisors every year by december 13th. and then we also public low discussed in the sheriff was supportive of the notion that the public public meeting held that amendment is on page 4. all of those are not substantive and for the purpose should this committee see fit, of sends

thanksgiving to the full board, mr. clerk, it would include the policy that was submitted this morning has one deletion as it relates to chemical launchers and otherwise is the same as what has been on the department's website. and is i part of our committee package. with that, it is my pleasure to again thank and publicly acknowledge the sheriff's department for their collaborative work. may you be a model to the police department next year. and with this, lieutenant or councillor singh or if you want to say anything. the floor is yours. thank you, sheriff. >> i want to say thank you on behalf of the sheriff's office for this rules committee

patience. its collaboration. the sheriff is present today but is upstairs viewing by teams and available if there are other questions. but i think the presentation left week and the on going commitment by our office of to engage with all the supervisors as well as you, chair, peskin and the public; highlights our sense of responsibility. in this area. of the work that we do and i think that it is very important to -- continue that collaboration and we do invite suggestions next year when we -- blow off the dust of equipment we intends to potential low reinstate and open to comments from the board but the full board and the public. >> thank you. are there members of public had would like to speak to item 1 and thank you for your patience, my apol joe this is was in the

called at the beginning of our agenda as schedules. first speaker. >> if i make my announcement. members who wish to speak and join nothing person lineup now. if call nothing dial 415-554-0001 and access code: 2481 9318934 ##. >> request we have our in person speaker? >> thank you. good morning i'm arthur. i live in san francisco. district 9. i'm a mfbt san francisco friend's meeting otherwise known the quakers. serveos peace and social concerns committee. we believe noni have 11

confranation of injustices and peaceful reconciliation are superior to the use of force. law enforcement and the military also apply noni have 11 means before use of force and firearms. only if other means remain ineffective or without promise of achieving the result. we have more in common then and there differences. i'm here to support with you and work with you. thank you to the rowels mittee and the sheriff's department for your collaboration with advocates on this policy and commitment to improvement in transparency. as a quaker committed to nonviolence and human rights i'm concerned how weapons authorized for the use in san francisco jails and how use in such condition fined space. i'm interested in hearing what increased risk of injury there men for people in san francisco

jails or a risk of unnecessary force on innocent bystanders may be detained there. interested in information on deployment and uses in the annual report location and deploy am and [inaudible]. i add haveicate per inclusion of private ratify action which means people in san francisco are affected by violations and the policies can file a civil lawsuit. decommissioning or putting real controlless on the deployment of automatic assault weapons pistols and the submachine gun and prohibition on aiming chemical agents launchers at people of >> work on this issue. where thank you. >> time is up. >> thank you. german to remote public meant wrchlt can we have the first caller.

>> upon good morning. this is regina a resident of district 2. can you hear me? >> yes. >> thank you. i'm pleased to be able to support this ordinance. with all of the work that members of the rules committee. the american friend's service committee. the police department and the sheriffy department staff. i have in the seen today's early 550 a.m. draft but the description provided by supervisor peskin reassures me that and the sheriff's department listened very well to the community. about the needs the ordinance. i sent an e mail with resource that could be useful in the years coming. from other approximate belonging institute. which is the part of hov

institute at uc beshg low berkeley on policing issues relevant to the ab481. and am main purpose. i recommend hato staff. my supervisor stefani staff already roached out to me and thanked mow for this restowers. it appear to be relevant and useful. i want upon to thank the sheriff's department for provide nothing their presentation pictures of objects of the rifles and the equipment that will be helpful for the be public. i want to recommend reading the letters i sent contain further comments about the annual report process. and transparency and the need for the public involvement and that. and -- i was pleased hear about

the amendments and re, linement or the 2 reports will be >> thank you your time elapsed. >> can we get our next caller, please. >> can you hear me >> yes. >> i'm with the american friends service committee. extraordinary engage of the sheriff's office with our organization. and the development of the proposed military equipment policy. all components required for law enforcement agency principle for considering boy a body.

>> these were very little restriction on the diployment of the submachine gun this is is a real concern to us. the department states the machine guns the primary for swat in the 80s and phased out. the weapons are being maintained and no one is authorizeed deploy. we propose to be commission the machine gun the department can in become to the board if it wishes to phase the weapon become in. short of the commissioning we propose one not deploy in the crowds. deployment respond it obstruct the light or series body low your and that variables considered prior to deploying the mp5 deter its deployment

including the presence of elderly, children individuals with mental and physical disabilitieds. medically comprehend myselves and non-english speaking persons. and finally we have not seen that removeod chemical agent launch and ensure that the launchers are in the aimed directly. >> time elapsed. >> thank you very much. this was our last remote public call in. public comment is closed the i note the comment.s left peeshg approximate one of policy changes relative to the launchers was adopted in part at least by the sheriff's department this morning. and the submachine gun issue i spoke to earlier, and with that i will like to make ail motion

to adopt the amendments that i discussed proposal and distributed to you nonsubstantive according to the city attorney in nature. and can be voted on today and sent at this time full board on that motion a roll call, please. >> on that motion, supervisor chan. why aye >> vice chair mandelman. >> aye >> chair peskin. >> aye. >> the motion passes without objection. i would like to make a motion to send the item as amended to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> on that motion supervisor chan. why aye. >> vice chair mandelman. >> aye. >> chair peskin. >> aye. >> motion passes without objection. >> thank you colleagues, thank you again to sheriff and his staff. mr. clerk please read item. you read item 7. so -- i will make a motion to

excuse supervisor chan for the rest of this meeting. >> on the motion to excuse supervisor chan. supervisor chan. excused. >> vice chair mandelman. >> aye. >> chair peskin. >> aye. >> the motion to excuse supervisor chan is approved. without objection. i will pick a motion to sends item 7 with recommendation to the full board as a mittee report for hearing tomorrow, january 31st on that motion? >> you like to confirm we have no callers on the line for item 7. >> we took public comment already. why yes. i wanted to double -check to be sure. >> item 7, supervisor chan. excused. vice chair mandelman. >> aye. >> chair peskin. >>