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and you will be queued. callers will hear silence when waiting for your turn to speak. praerts will unmute you. callers have 3 minuteses to provide comments. ensurure in a quiet location, speak clear and turn off tv or ros around you. roll call. president nakajo. >> present. are vice president morgan. >> present. why commissioner feinstein. >> present. >> commissioner frazer. >> present. >> commissioner collins. >> present and chief nicholson. >> present. >> president nakajo will read the land acknowledgment. >> thank you madam secretary. ramaytush ohlone land acknowledgement the san francisco fire commission acknowledges that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants

of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land, and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost, nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders, and relatives of the ramaytush ohlone community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. >> thank you very much. item 3 resolution 2023, adoption setting findings to allow teleconchsed meetings under california government code. >> madam secretary, is there

public comment? nobody on the public comments line and nobody approaching the podium. >> thank you, is there any questions or discussions from the commissioners? at this time, there is a commissioner wish it move this item? >> i will so move. >> thank you very much commissioner feinstein moved and second? >> second. thank you very much commissioner frazer seconded. >> madam secretary. >> president nakajo. >> aye. >> vice president morgan. >> aye. >> and commissioner collins. >> aye. the motion is unanimous >> item 4 general public comment. members of the public may address the commission up to 3 minuteos a merit in the commission's jurisdiction this does in the a pore on the upon

agenda. speakers address the res to the commission not to individuals. commissioners not to enter in debate or discussion with a speaker. lack of a response by commissioners or department personnel does in the constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> madam secretary is there public comment? >> there is nobody on the comment line with handled raised and nobody approaching the podium. >> okay. with nobody approaching the podium, public comment is closed. >> item 5. presentation of certificate of appreciation. deputy chief post toll provide over view of fire at 3729, 20th street on january 13 of 2023 and

fire commission present certificate of appreciation to joe sue for efforts rescuing residents from the burning building. >> can we get him to come up? mr. potrerois. you can just -- hang out there for us if you dmientd while the chief does his thing and >> good morning president nakajo and commissioners, chief nicholson. we are here this morning to recognize a civil yen who took personaling risk in a second alarm 5 on 20th street. of brief over view of the incident i would include in my report and speak to the actions. and he corrected to the saving

of 2 lives additional low, had he did allowed us to attack the fire quickly because the rescues have been made. on january 13th -- of this year, at 18:58 hers a fire at 30120th street the fire was a few blocks away from station 77. when crews arrived the fire heavy fire and smoke from second and third windows the building was a 4 story wood frame building. with wood framed buildingos either side we had a lot of fire and getting in the adjacent buildings. the man here working at the bar across the street. this meeting is being recorded.

>> smelled smoke and heard someone screen i will read if the report from the chief regarding his actions. smelled smoke. heard someone speak, my parents live up there. mr. concontraryis ran up the stairs and pulled out the gentlemen's mother and carried her out with no regard for his safety, which is the case. republican up the stairs a second time to retrieve the woman's husband. there was heavy smoke and fire as they were going to the stairs. he lost his breath in view of the exit. found a clearing and quickly carried the man out as the upon fire department arrived. to put this in context he made the 2 rescues prior to our arrival this is a few blocks from station 7 our crews got there, presented with heavy fire and because the rescues have

been made at his own personal risk, we were able to get hose lines in the build and attack the fire and minimize the spread had we, arrived and 2 trespassed in the building everything there guess straight to rescuing those individuals. . the fire doubles in size every minute we have a large fire if he had not taken his actions with the 2 lives may have been loss but more damage to the buildings on either side. we are here today to rescue noise you and thank you and you are a hero i could use you on the team. would you like to say a few words. >> i was raised by 2 good parents over there. [applause]. and i like i was there at the

right time. and i doment to be a part of your force, sir. with that said, i was a san francisco residents at the right time there. thank you. >> couldure remain while the chief of the department and commissioners are given an opportunity to say a few words. if you could, the chief of department would you like to say something. >> i would. thank you. >> president nakajo. vice president morgan and commissioners. command staff maureen and mr. can transferis. pronounce your first name. jose. first of all chief postel said it all and you are a hero and -- what you did yes, you may have

been in the right place at the right time but not everyone would have done what you did. a part of the reason you are commended. we are hiring. >> and i'm looking. >> you can talk to chief sean beautford back there. you got him. >> thank you. and so, yes, you are type of person we're looking for. someone who raised by 2 good parents and has the sense to do the right thing even at risk to himself. i would like to recognize that chief brannon is here. you may recognize her from the fire. the one that wrote up the report. of and to recognize him. >> good to see you >> thank you.

>> thank you for wroiting that up chief brannon. much appreciated. why thank you and i know the commissioners want to say something. you don't like being in the spotlight you will be there for a few minutes. [laughter]. i'm sure you can handle the heat. no pun intends. why thank you very much. voip vice president morgan. >> i thought you were a firefighter. you got my endorsement. you need a letter of reference. thanks for your heroic efforts and it is refreshing to hear something positive from a citizen a random citizen in san francisco doing an heroic effort and the negative stuff we hear about san francisco this is so refreshing you reflect air positive image on san francisco

and i thank you for that. thank you for you and your family. >> thank you very much. commissioner feinstein. >> [inaudible]. i would like to say that there are not many people in the world that would have done when you did. and when you did was brave and upon unselfish and fearless. and you saved 2 lives of people who as i'm understanding, you did not know. and it just speaks so well to your character and the human being -- that you are. >> thank you. and i justment you to know everybody recognizes that everybody appreciates it. and you are just an incredible person. and i hope your parents are

incrediblely proud. they did you a great job. why they sure did. why yes, they did. >> thank you. >> thank you, commissioner frazer. >> yes, thank you. >> what they all said and what you said was you were at the right place at the right time. a lot of people are at the right place at the right time at different times of our lives. you had the heart, character and inspiration to do what you did. and so you should be prod and i know your parents share in that because they helped you to gain all that heart, inspiration and character. congratulations. you are welcome. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner collins. >> l i love when you said being a san francisco resident in the right place at the rit time. i'm looking at your beautiful

family smiling. these other families we need in our city. if we will come become to where we want to be and you are the kinds of person we need. and it turns out we have. in our city. i will tell this store tow everybody who will listen. because we need heros and need to know hey, they are every where. they are here with us. thank you very much. of >> thank you. >> we will not embarrass you much more. why thank you very much. i'm going to say a few things as well you heard from the commissioners the chief of the department, what a great way to start a morning. and to start this fire commission meeting. and to have us all focus on what we do. and i appreciate the chief postel, chief in terms of the

write up to get this appreciation certificate that will be presented by the chief of the department to you today. and i'm happy that we went through a press we did not have it wait a year or 2, chief postel. fact is being a san franciscans and being there and a sense of pride among us and the member of the partial you took care of business. i like that i like took care of some business. >> and that's what i love being from bernal heights born and raised. and yea. i did what i had to do. >> and again, because of that that's what we do here in the fire department. we have same spirit approximate mind but i don't know how many people would run in a building and rescue 2 folks and come become out. thank you very much on behalf of the fire commission and awful

san franciscans as well. thank you. >> thank you all. appreciate it. >> we will give the certificate right now. and someone pull out a camera. we can take advantage. if you all want to come up the members of the family. we will do a pose here. come on up. the parents are equal low as important in this -- thank you for your son! thank you. >> get the family in there. [laughter] where du grow up in

bernal? between mission and. i lived on prospect. in front of presidio park. >> yea. >> my mom always said, you smell like park >> thank you. [applause]

>>well, madam secretary we will ask for a public comment on this certificate of appreciation. and move the agenda. madam secretary is there public comment on this item? >> there is nobody with hand raised on the comment upon line. and anybody i don't see anybody coming to the podium. >> okay. seeing nobody is approaching the podium, public comment is closed. item 6. approval of the minutes discussion and possible action to approve the meeting minutes from january 25th, 2023 meeting. >> thank you very much. is there public comment on item 6. >> nobody with hand raised on the comment listen and nobody

approaching. >> all right. public comment is closed. any questions or comments from the commissioner this is is a motion item. >> thank you very much upon commissioner feinstein. gi second that motion. >> thank you very much vice president morgan. madam secretary. >> president nakajo. >> aye. >> commissioner frazer. >> aye. >> commissioner collins. >> aye. >> the motion is unanimous. >> item 7 cho of department's report. report from chief of department jeanine nicholson on issues, activities and events since the meeting on january 25th. 23. including budget are academies. special events out reach to the government and public. report from operations, deputy chief postel on over all field operations including greater alarm fires. bureau of investigation and

training within the department and the airport division. and report if ems and community paira medicine. >> thank you very much. madam secretary. good morning chief nicholson. >> greetings and salutations again to you, mr. president and the commission. this is my report. since our left meeting of in january. many of you may have seen in the news there is a new housing initiative that the mayor has put forward. and it it is to create 82,000 units over the next 8 years. and in speaking with our fire

marshall, we have a huge role in terms of building permits and normally we doll between 200 and 800 building permits for new construction per year. and now we are asked to do 82,000 in 10 yers. that is a huge list we need more resources for. but we -- we step up to the plate and get job done and that's what we will do here. we will need more resources to do that. our folks over at fire prevention at permits and plan check i visited with them. they are hard working and do a wonderful job there.

they'll be hardir wing in the future. >> went to, 2 lunar new year events the mayor had one at city hall. which was beautiful on monday the 30th. and we had the parade on this past saturday. thank you, president nakajo and commissioner frazer for being there. had a nice din irrelevant asian firefighter association put on after. they are one of our afinity groups and do a great job with community out roach and take a lot of pride in their association. thank you to stan lee the important president. the mayor had a kickoff of black history month last friday in city hall rotunda. black resistance is the theme of the month.

and many of several of my command staff members were there. and -- it was yea. really wonderful program. so -- you may have also heard about some challenges on cap street with prostitution and the criminal activity around it. we were informed that there they were going to put up on the streets. we are working with supervisor ronen's office to ensure we have access to all housing, all buildings on cap street and because as you know we need access to a fire from both sides. of the street if both directions

rather. and you know on 20th street on that fire we had access from both sides and lost some housing, i think 25 people were displaced. we don't want this to happen on cap street. we are in conversation with supervisor ronen's office to make sure we can access the street to be able to do our job. the way we know how. um also within the past couple weeks i had my month low meeting with the mayor on friday 20th and i have been patrolling the halls of city hall. for several weeks you in as we have budget fast approaching. and i have met with supervisors on multiple issues and will continue to meet with more of them and i thank the commission

for their involvement. and i know -- director corso will speak to the budget today and give you an update on this. it is do you to the major's office on february 21st. we are in communication with them and i went to i joined director corso for a meeting with the mayor's budget office the other day. and then we had our staff meeting yesterday. which i have with command staff. and -- was a good meeting and you know we are really stressing the year's succession plan and what we can do a better job of that. moving forward. and you know we tacked about setting goals for the coming year. realistic goals that we can make good progress of and if any of the commissioners would like to

attends the staff meeting you are welcome. but i know you are all very bchlz and -- that concludes my report for this commission meeting and happy to take questions. >> thank you very much, chief nicholson. i will ask for public comment and we will ask for questions from the commissioners. well is nobody on the comment listen and nobody approaching the podium. >> public comment is closed. commissioners any questions or comments from the cho at the time? before chief postel, chief nicholson, thank you for talking about the impact on the mayor's housing direct. and how that will impact us. the goal again, is what was the number and the targeted year, please?

>> 82,000 units over the next 8 years. than i will not all be brand new built from the ground up. you know they are also talking about repurposing some of the office space that there is in town there is a lot of office pace that is not currently used so they are discussing that as well. why okay. thank you very much, chief of department. madam secretary? >> chief postel. >> good morn, again. president nakajo and commissioners. bob postel deputy chief of operations. this is my report for january of 23. during the month of january we had 14 working fires. 2 greater alarms. 17 confirms water rescues and 2

cliff rescues. we spoke earlier about the first fire on 3017, 20th street. and the heroics of the civilian. i like to speak a bit about what our crews did there. they were presented with heavy fire and motor vehicle from the second and third floor of a 4 story building the hose leads they made met with obstructions in the stair wells and halls. there were bicycles and other storage it med it doyle get to the roar of the build to get water on the fire. in the report, is a narrative written boy dustin nguyen the temporary cho that day at this incident. the fire quickly progressed to the attic of the min fire building. extended to the breakfasto building would be the one on the left and exterior damage at this time delta the one on the right. we had 3 buildings involved.

25 people were displaced boyd this fire. and to the cho's point we had no access issues getting to this building. there are standards for street width minimum 26 foot ouied for buildings 3 stores or grirt to allow you to get in and ladders and an engine to pass a truck with the out riggers out to get a water supply or get in front of the building. combn combiem we narrow or limit or access from one end of the street, it hampers our ability to get to the buildings. because we are table get well and close to the fire house and i quick attack we minimized the damage but this easily account have been 4-sick buildings fifth alarm fire. i have been to several you lose that 19 building fist you don't have good access.

it is important that we are able to get to the buildings. another thing i want to highlight is the bravo building also suffered extensive fire damageful it was now are construction and had sprifrng lers in the belling. sprifrng lers don't stop all fires this fire burned from the main build to the with you and space. sprinklers play a role don't replace the roast fire department. buildings with sprinklers still have fires in them that has been a conversation over and over on the buildings.

the fire was successful buzz of the cord sdmagz effort this was put forth not only from chief nguyen and chief officers on the scene but the firefighters and officers there. . and having one common goal and plan on how they were able to contain this fire. the second, second alarm on january 22 ndz at 1:40 in the morning, 1312 hayes street. this was mull story, type 5. wood frame. old san francisco victorian type building the first was a set of in thes. fire started on the first floor and burned untaked and quickly broke out a window and this fire was able it get out in a light well between 2 buildings. when it hit the light well in the old wold it blew xup went to

every floor on the fire building into the attic and the same on the bravo buildings. when crews showed up than i had heff fires between the buildings, from the roof, they knew they had more then and there they could handle. they requested a second alarm immediately we needed hose lines on each floor and of the exposure building. it was good knowledge of building construction how the buildings are put together in san (and the ability of the crews to opening statement with yous contain the fire to the light well and the roar of the fire building. yes , there are a lot of people that are displaced but again these are the wood frame bells they build one to the next if we don't attack them.

courthouse were tr for hours before it was under control. last thing is 71 sfoen missouri there was a fatality the chief nicholson and i respond. this is the old housing projectos the east side of potrero hill. they are not occupied people get nothing and staying in them. when the first engine got there engine 37, they could not have done a better job. >> missouri street was above in the building the fire was below. >> as you go down the stairs the fire was 3 stories below grade the fire started bilow grade and spread up to the 3 floors. when 37 got there and the ho on the scene recognized that there was a rescue potential and we

had a below grade fire. identified the rescues and the below grade fire. and got a ladder off the engine. they rescued one person from a window above immediately. and funds 2 others this they rescued and put water on the fire. and he made this trans mission to all the subsequent spngdz units so they could support prescription. it was an extensive fire behind the door had been barricaded shut could not get out. but again, their professionalism saved 3 lives that day. and i can't speak enough about the great job done there that's if for the fire side in investigation chief continue its dot great job of processing permit and complaints, inspections. the work load will increase now the chief spoke to. at the same time going back to

street changes the chief and myself have been trying to work with the mta to provide input on the street changes and challenges that are occurring in the stele in response to vision zero. citizen advocacy and neighborhood advocacy everybody has a thing they want to change. and it is i challenge for us to maintain access and maintain proper street conditions for our response and maintain our mandated response time of 4 and a half minutes with the changes that are occurring. we are starting to make headway i am spoke with the department at mta a bit and i'm trying to emphasize as much as i can we need to be concerned about the safety of all citizens of san francisco the pep in buildings and on the streets and this is in the a one dimensional problem

that we have. yes, well is a problem with traffic fatality and a problem with us getting bls carrot scene and the 4 and a half minutes we are over 6. problem with rigs not navigating roads closed and things are being done. when we asked for and hope to receive is a trans parent process from the mta and a projection of what is to come. rather than the left to find out won't want to be the first to find out. what has been happening plans come up and vetted through community groups and things like that. and then the last minute by the way, fire department, sign off on this. when we don't sign off we are the bad guy. we are the 1 who is don't want to have this street closed so the kids with play. it is not that we are bad guy we are trying to advocate for the safety of everybody. i hope that we have better dialogue and this come to

fruition in the near future. it is better for everybody if we have a seat at the table early. at the airport in the direction of assist cant chief darcy they are train and appropriate for the disaster this we hope never come. they have a new training cap tlan who has done an outstanding job. put a lot of organization, a vision to their training program. you wuk in the office there and see how she has everything mapped out on the walls. it is refreshing. temperature is grit for that division there. the chief's done a great job the morale of the employees at the airports up. people are happy. the direction there. so he is doing an outstanding job. the only thing he has not taken care of is 18 elevator extracasions last month. [laughter].

the training 1 thereinst academy started on january 18. 53 people are in this class. 20 week academy. it is very, very intensive as you know. it is physically intensive and mentally alegality of new knowledge. the cho and his team are doing an outstanding job of teaching them examine prosecute void them with resources to get through the tower and succeed. 've we look forward it getting them out on the rigs in june. so for they have been instructed in the fundsamentals of the job. ppe. some of the small are ladders the 22 and 24 foot ladder, basic knots as the week guess on they will build upon the foundation they have now. they are getting a taste of physical fit ness and what the demands of the job are.

i think than i put them throughout ringer. they are learning what it moneys to work for hours on ends y. in service training. conducting drills for our companies in the fold of forceents reand learning line hose leaks it is one facet of the many leads we made. we make. they have been building and refurbishing the props at treasure island and participation of an up someplacing we call it a truck academy we take our younger people and instruct them in the tools and the techniques of how we address fires in a blgdz opening up like haze fire and fire in the tenderloin and type 3 building how you access the space. take the knowledge of our senior chiefs, who spent time on trucks and pass being that on to the younger people that come

moralizing how we do business in san francisco in the fire department. in addition they have been wing on live fire training we will have in march. give you a good taste behalf we do in the field. and that concludes my report. >> madam secretary, comments. nobody on the public comment line and nobody approaching the podium. >> all right. at this time, commissioners would you like to ask questions or comment to the chief? >> >> quick comment. thank you to the cho and companies doing great jobs on the 2 fires we spoke about earlier.

20th and the other one. 20th street and 27 occupants got saved and 2 cats, this is good. if you are cat people. [laughter]. yea. that is good. good news you did a great job i was reading through the descriptions here of the residents. i know they are hard to deal with the fires and the type of structures. especially had they are 4-5 levels high. and all wood. i want to commends you guy and keep up the great work. thank you. >> thank you very much. vice president morgan. commissioners? commissioner fraser? >> thank you, chief postel, great report. i have a couple of questions. one, what does below grade? >> it is a building presents at the streets a single story

building or it 2-3 -- it means there are occupied floors like off the backside of a hill y. like basement level >> not even basement. up diamond height it is the home there is we lost a couple of firefighters up there -- above 7th avenue lockup you see the homes on eighth that go off the side of the hill. there are below grade. why below street level. presents a challenge for us because if you cannot find a way down the side and a lot of the street there is is in access down the side, it is difficult for you to go in and you if you go down stairs you go down a which i am no and into a fire. have you to go to a building next door and breech a wall and get creative. it is something that have heighten the a wear knows of crews when you have a below

grade fire you are in a wagz could help in the tenderloin hotel a lot of basements and, lot of basement fires in the type 3 buildings. below street level is below grid. >> when i was a visiting nurse i did a lot of visiting below grade level now i know what it it is called. fire department. 2 questions. i notice there were 17 water rescue in january. is this because everybody got drunk on 92 year's eve. [laughter]. that was a lot. was that a lot? seems. >> it seems that is a lot for january. usually not many people in the water. you than is a part of our business lack of better word nkszing every year. more people surfboarding and kite boarding and swimming. we have more and more water

rescues happening and again the crews out at the west end of town. station 16 on the boats doing an outstanding jock raiding the bar on water rescues. >> that is difficult in january. the water for the water rescues hat's off to them. . >> i share your concern about changes to the mta who i see a lot in my own neighborhood and some is a head scratcher that's all i say now. amount of response time change today is you in 6 minutes. . >> we're supposed to be on the scene 90% of the time in 4 minutes and 30 seconds since twenty 18 from 4:50 and up to 6. . 10 or 12 now.

it is since all these changes started our response times have gone up considerable low there is a study the firm fair and peer i spoke about it before. conducted a study a mack restudy of all the street changes that occur exclude locked at every response we made on streets where the changes occurred and tried to identify or find a correlation where a street change and increased response time. unfortunately the conconclusions that were drawn were that unless 100% of the time where there was a trent there was an increase in response time they deemed that not enough significantor valid to blame the street could be other factors. ir disagree with that. we asked for deeper study, i don't know when it will star. won't gave them the money we are paying for half television and

they will analyze some corridors and take try to find parallels similar streets valence why where there are changes made and gerero where there are not any and analyze response times on valence why and contrast with with gerero and see if there is a difference and identify things. it it is statistic you can make them say hallment. >> it it is an issue approximately ticks aside, our citizens will be interested in knowing had the differences are making. because that does in the get mump public conversation. that the changes here are the benefit and another perspective about response time and everybody from the fire department in 4 minutes or less. why and we will say that and

mta's response is your response time increases result of our change its it is other factors. >> okay. >> moving. could you repiece. why they have told us they don't believe our response time increases are result of the street changes they make theyit is as a result of other factors increased traffic or more uber cars on the street or you know. they contend had the data does not support the changes they make when is causing our increased response time. >> yea more scooters more change its it is the same basket. it is increased response time including the factor of street changes. along with others. it it is not just -- >> i had one more question. okay. my final question is, i live on potrero hill a favorite your for

the car challenges every company practices in potrero. part because of the hills the ouieder streets. et cetera . i moiz was almost hit by one the other day that had no driver in it. and i did read an article in the paper this is my question for you, this one of them was headed into the fires that if our people were dpieth special about to drive over the hose. and one of the firefighter his to break the winds shield to get it to stop. i did not think of this had i crossed my street in front of my house. could you talk about that a bit? >> they have been a challenge for us several times several dinltss the haze street fire. i don't remember the company. one of the driverless cars with

no driver tried driveway in the fire 16. hose on the street the initial stages of the incidents. and they could not stop it or energy it down. smashed the window and disabled the car. but this in its own right is in the a solution. if we are the first minute or so and have an engine and somebody backs down and the driverless car come in the scene and will not get out of the way i will in the get this supply engine out to the corner and disabling that driverless car is putting a roadblock in front of us we can't get out. it is a big are problem. we can disable them if we need to which disabling them dem pending on the stage the incident could make the situation worse for us. so, it it is not always the solution. they say you can brick i mirror

and tell stop. sometimes we don't want it stopped we want it moved and eventual low you get a hold of member and remote control it we don't vice president that time. the fire we had back sick months ago on steiner and miller. one of the great alarm companies were responding and stopped behind a garbage truck the garbage truck was double parked the driverless car coming the other direction. sought fireness and the driverless car stopped because of red lights. a fireness behind a garbage truck and driverless. they could in the move they were grid lookd and no way to get hacar to move t. it is a problem. >> i know, i understanding is tht california puc licenses these companies to operate. >> ken can spoke to the process.

a chance for you to we in i love to know. commissioners. oui are working with the city team to give our information to them. it is the california dmv who license them who petitioned to expand from 8 to 10 cars. boths put applications in december to run 24 hours a day to go throughout the city and the freeway. that's why you see the cars out there. they feel they have fwn to the next level. we are asking them to slow down. you have issues with finding dealing with emergency response. that's one area among others. and so we are wing with them and trying to let them been upon the

ins debts the other problem is some are taking a rid and falling aslope or passing out in vehicles which is taking our resources away because you don't have i driver who can wake the person up. the companies call 911 and have an engine and ambulance response. california dmv licenses them. chronicle said it was the puc. they w through the puc but to get on the road on the road they need the dmv approval. so i believe it is between the 2 companies. why thank you. why my last thing, i want to give a shout out to the folk who is work at the clothing depot. grateful for my visit there yesterday. they were grishs and it was fun and i got out fit in the my put the clothes to work. >> yea. >> i love the boots. bots are my favorites.

they were terrific. hat's off. thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioner collins i know you were next then commissioner feinstein. commissioner collins? >> i want to thank chief postel for my tour of 6 fire houses yesterday. it is one thing to read i report it is another to go on site. and in reflection at the end of the day yesterday, i was appalled boy had i saw. in many of the fire house for live and working conscience. unacceptable. seismicly unsound buildings housing. some of our most important emergency response data and work. not acceptable. this is the way that it is but that is in the the way that we

are going to do when we can. all of us. to improve. i was also impressed that even in these conscience the fire house were pristine. my equip should be this pristine. and i got new stuff in it. this was like cap nets falling off the walls. spirit of the people this live and work there was really very impressive. i think it says, let about the fire department and the people this w for the fire department. and i will say, probably never in my wildest dreams i imagine mag participating in taco tuesday at station 5. [laughter]. that was huge. this was grit. most of all thank you for the time and i know you missed your staff meeting. and i hope this we'll work

together to improve the things. thank you. thank you for taking your time to see had we are trying to describe and the people in the field appreciate sees you out there. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner feinstein. >> thank you. >> thank you chief postel for your report. which is jam packs with information and you still will not convince mow to get on an elvirtat the airport i'm has been to see a decrease bia bit of the number of extrcasions i presume the elvirtings are closed to the public. i want to make a comment and half comment helpful question.

for those of us been here our whole lives. you watch the city change temperature changes, of course. and there are things i read had i read about supervisor ronen and cap street. cap street hen cap street inlts is 80s. well is everybody all of the sudden is surprised about that is going on on cap street. when i was in the da's office i don't want to tell you how many prostitution wayses on cap street. it seems like i'm getting older because things are coming around this i know have been there for quite a time. but what i really wanted to comment on temperature does concern mow. no one it is mta or if it is the puc i think mta. but you know the closing of

streets, the dedication of lanes. the creation of new kindses of lanes. i can tell you driving down here this morning, there. i'm not that far away, 2 far to wuk but in the that far. it was bumper to bumper on every street that i within down. and if a fire engine, fire truck or ambulance had to come down exit kim down market street, there was nowhere to pullover. i remember being cull mis a junior driver. and one thing they teach you is if there is an emergency vehicle you pull to the right u. could not have done this. there would be nowhere for any kinds of rig to g. i don't

understand how that is not of tremendous urgency the response time would not being 6 minutes some of the treatments they put the streets don't allow for an outlet for occurs to yoeld you to. speak to the dedicated 11s mounty lanes this than i put in, we can prop this from the pershspective of the fire department. those are a benefit to us. venice and third street and the others geary boulevard, that allows us a much clearer thorough fare for us to get through traffic. while it may impact civil yens navigate for us it is a benefit. any time they do something not i way for traffic to get out of

the way it gets more difficult to get down to the streets. >> do you need to plan alternative routes -- to get to certain streets in that would not be the route you would normally ewe likewise in to respond it an address. they adjust response routes based on street changes when you make a street one street or close a street to make a neighborhood way all this traffic is pushed to another street. you are going further out of your way to circumvent the traffic and some point you may be traveling faster but in the getting there faster. so -- they try to adjust the best they can, time of day. you take different routes. it is.

when can we do in y thank you is between you dp the chief to figure out what you can do. >> all right we need to do something. something bad will help. because the these -- engines can't get where they need to get. the obstacles once it is engine or struck leaves the fire house. that's the where the challenge begins. we can dpet in the width at another time. the need for equipment to be able to paddle paddle a truck to get says past a truck.

it is something people, i don't think are aware of or paying much attention to outside of -- this room and -- yea. perhaps a few others. and -- you know if it is your house. you want somebody to paid attention. >> i agree. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. commissioner feinstein. commissioner collins, thank you. commissioner fraser. vice president morgan thank you for your report. thank you. madam secretary? chief tom is up next. >> welcome. >> good morning president nakajo and vice president morgan. commissioner fine stain, fraser, collins. chief murreen command staff and

deputy chief. this is my report for january 2023. can i get the --. great. okay the ems from chief he is sends regrets he is ill at home. assistand deputy cho our report call volume stayed the sameful had an average of 348 calls with the concern market share of 80%. we spoke about last month the bls pilot project is in affect. averages 80 or 30 calls per day. there is an impact on als engine medic and having to assist with transper to hospitals. in general, that's why we are there. if this expertise and skill set issed we are willing to

translate the ambulance and make surety patient gets care. however issue our concern is when that time extends out of service time they are at the hospital transfer care, we are wing with the valence why emergency medical services agency to try to address at least that transfer point when than i get to the hospital is well a way for them to release the engine medic and they go become in service. we don't want to impact the response from those engines in the neighborhoods because they are waiting at a hospital. we are working with the agency to try to address this issue. it is going to be a challenge. for our 2022 highlights. i wanted speak to the things that happened over the year and give you an information. in 2022, our ambulance were

dispitchered 122, 879 calls. that is 9% increase from 2021 example 52% were code response, our responses represented 72% of over all call volume. 5% and i suspect will increase do you to community paramedicine. those calls we have been up gridding and up staffing the teams and so we have started to see that impact in the call volume for the fire department. since 2003, our increase in call volume is 85% had is huge. there continues to be that demand and as we suspected the need for the staff, all of the things we have been able to add

haveicate and the chief accomplish has proufb it be the case and have the personnel. in regards to the amount of nar can we provide in the 22, we increased by 13% from 2020 had that was the highest number of deaths that happened in over dose deaths. per office of me. i think our increase in prosecute voiding narcan improved the outcome of patients. decreased deaths in the left year. so, i think this is our efforts with the sort and ambulances providing narcan that had impact on the number of death and the number of over doses in the city. so, chief postel mentioned our ems training has been bodies

trig it make sure all of our emt's are given the bls/cpr training this is required. manage this every i think you in i don't know there is anybody else who is exempt from the cpr/bls requirement certified firefighter. we have to make sure that every 2 years every person is certify in the cpr. in this left mnths we trained 500 members which is a fantastic amount of work. also long with cpr they have been taught deescalation tech nobodyings and restraint tech nobodying its is easier to apply. it is more expensive but will be it will result in more safety for members as well. we are in the having to do a lot of special knots and ties. i think tell be a better way for

you to manage patient fist we need to do that. >> the new civil grand jury visited station 49 and other accomplice. chief gave them a tour. just to give background what we do, in the fire department, from ems and paramedicine. civil grand yours convene every year and identify issues this than i want to address within the city. one of the last reports i believe that was focussed on the fire department in 2014-15. of which they had a report called, what does the 40 hold? for the fire department. one of their conclusions to ensure a now training if sillity. which has dm to fruition.

>> community pera medicine division. from abc chief pang. i think we sent information regarding reconfiguration of the street crisis team and street wellness tome they will be combined an over all 12 teams of street crisis response team. we are looking at the implementation date of march fourth. we are gearing up and communicating with partners and members. there will be more messaging to the public it let them know the service will not change much in terms of public stand point. we believe this will increase efficiency. our capability and the 8 of just the available of our crews to respond it had the crisis is needed based on 911 call on triage. we will do the same thing we have done and i believe that is what result in some additional

efficiency in our ability to responded to the behavior crisis on streets and well being checks. we started chief motorcycle mason had a brain child of creating a lecture series for are community paramedicine. we had the first boy doctor ham the director of the sudden fran department of population behavioral helling division and our members participated. the first of i series of lect urs. and i believe am you all were invited and continue to let you when they happen. additional multiple guarantee in progress. we spoke to the san jose state universityy researchers working on the moral injury and hassards of wing in the field. they are additional low looking for monies to be able to support more work on trying to identify

the affects of the moral hazards on members and interventions to help. >> and finally, but -- lieutenant oxford who i am looking forward to his presentation, he has returned become to the feechld with us for a year. it felt like he was always with us the data and the man of work and the motivation that he displayed in trying to address the data and the issues around upon when we are dealing with community paramedicine hen inspiring. and you know his story, which hoe will poke to in terms of seeing as a fire on the streets and seeing the culls this we went on and the struggles we had in dealing with in population spurred him to want to examine and further educate himself on how to address the issues. we got a mast and came become

you to and. i'm -- i have been highway low impressed with the aim of w hoe has done and understanding hoe has of when we have been dealing with when of the system in general. i'm looking forward to his presentation. >> this is just some quick highway lights of the work of all offer teams ems6 and the street wellness teams. xu see under the street crisis and wellness streams they other same in january and success in being able to divert move people torg referrals and cash. was about the same as well as need for transper for the folks. our you know we than our ambulance are still going to be for a number of the calls we respond to of those on the

streets because they may also have medical issue this is need to be addressed as well. i think the combination and reconfiguration working on will increase the numbers hopeful low for nontranspers to other referrals they will be more fleckable and we will be running each other's calls. >> one of the most exciting things at the beginning of january we were had the completion of installation of the gatesent row gates and exit gates station 49 this hen a work in progress and i know some of you participated in the review of the design and we worked with the artist micheal who commissioned by art commission. we have the gates installed and things and it is beautiful. so -- commissioner colin i'm

sure you saw. drive by and stand and sit in front of the driveway it is incredible. >> and then just to -- further hi light the work and art w there was a lot of thought and -- i think i give you a big are view but then i had to put glassos. this will describe and we put a larger panel in station froin that will describe all of the imagery and the symbols used and what it represent and how it represented when we do for ems in the upon fighter as well as the city. any that's my report. >> thank you very much cho. is there public comment. no public comment. >> public comment is closed. commissioners any comments or

questions for chief tom. >> vice president morgan. >> hello. >> i missed it i think i read this in here, too, you mentioned about 85% increase. what was this in reference to? >> 85% in ems call volume from 2003. over 20 years. >> i gotcha. >> i wanted clarify that. wow. is that because the fentanyl epidemic. i think i don't know specific low. in terms of the opioid crisis going on the last 10-15 years but we have been a need for increase of population. more traffic. you know we have not quite locked at all of the different call types we have used to respond to and it is harter data point to investigate but we would like to see is it a comp

republic increase along a variety of call types or more specific to traffic accidents or over dozes or mental illness. not clear yet when the specific increases are. i imagine our population is the same >> its gone up >> 100,000. scombroot reconfiguration of the street teams you mentioned it would be more efficient. will it save money. i hope so i think we decrease ambulances going to hospital and address folks where than i need to go. it it is in the just a revolving

door we will get people to resources and the support they need. that has an impact on public health and safety and the cost to the city. >> thank you. thank you for your report. >> thank you very much. commissioners? commissioner fraser? >> what a great report. so interesting. i was not part of rerufor the gates but they are beautiful. really love the design. and i will zip down today and electric in person. congratulations on that. all the stuff with our various teams i think it good to combine and keep moving forward. for all the various reasons you describe. the one thing that popped out in the report was this the connection to resource rate was low. and not saying as a criticism i know the resources are not there

we connect all we want if than i are not there they are not there. i think that is an important to me, indicator of when future planning needs to happen. because that is pretty low. and i experience this had i was out with a couple of the paramedicine folks a now months ago. where the intent made by paramedics were numerous but results not there not for electric of trying but electric of being available. so i then and there is hard for the client and hard for the members of the team hor trying to help. >> the other thing i noticed was -- the decrease in over dose deaths is that the decrease in over dose deaths compared to

call this is we have responded to previously? i don't know how that data is over dose deaths is a thing everyone is talking about all the time and many statistics are cited but when your report says 14% decrease in over dose deaths i think this is had it says and more narcan and is this gkz decrease from the previous year of our call sns >> the deaths that are reported here are from the office of medical examiner opioid related deaths. why all right. that is better news. good job. i'm in awe of the work that they all did and you as well. thank you. >> thank you very much. commissioners? that was a good segment in terms of the next item. cho tom.

>> and if we are thank you for your report. madam second. >> item 8. lieutenant oxford to present data analysis on the community paramedicine program. >> welcome lieutenant oxford. >> good morning commissioners and madam secretary. chief nicholson and the command staff. lieutenant nick oxford. become in the field from community paramedicine i spent a year on data and policy. a bit of back ground how i got here. can you null microphone.

why thank you. i starred my career at station 3 over on post street one of the stations that responsible said to the tenderloin a firefighter there and a member of that fire house for years. and part of my time spent wondering why the city this wealthy have a public healing problem in profound ump get a lot of chances to think about that when you are soon you learn people's addresses. why i do know people by name. why i do know you learn more things about the people than the families know about them. and then while i was there ems6 came back. and while i was there they returned and next thing you know we were in the seeing the people this we would see 3-five times a day. next thing we see them witness a week and a month that is an impact for machine wo knows the

people well. i decided to see we are fortunate in the bay area surrounded boy world clasdz institutions. i saw haacademics said about this problem to compare with my experience in san francisco. i went back to school. and got a masters in public health x. while i was there, any chance i got to do a project for a school or course work i worked with chief tang. and one of my presentations for school. thank you. so this is an over vow of hat work was the left year. the daily, it was data base. i'm not a data expert. my emphasis in school was policy. in learning that you learn enough about reading data to

understand it and use it to inform policy. we generate reports and visualizations of the data. use that information to evaluate the problem. strengths, opportunity. threats. and then society queerys to the fire portal that is with the help of sa mora, we dream up things for with our data and policy things we want to know. like the ems6 they deal with high eweute livesers. we know the addresses. we go to certain once nonstop. how to utilizer at the geography level upon kwoery now who our addresses are that are high

utilizers. in sum row, program evaluation and policy recommendations. and so i was going to show graphs to talk about what -- one thing to know data and have a civilian dast at benefit to the department of providing context is not a graph i made but one i came cross and i don't know who made it but it is trough it looks accurate. yea. and it general. there is, lot of different code 3 runs and code 2 runs. and so it is hard to get in the context of had those are for. a good general over vow of may be how we spent the left year. if we wanted to dive in doper and think of it differently. this is a graph with the same

information presented a different way. the top the highest one the xr is a code for a pd call. the next one is box. and a lot of people look and say, you know box is in the your common call in san francisco. it is the call that absorbs the most resources and that's a good thing. to the chief postel's point how aggressively we work our effective innocence keeping fierce to the first and second alarm level. buzz we devote resources to that challenge. and we can keeput category up the data. i want to give an example of had we do context f. we go one further and electric at call types. to spooep speak to the work if we look at the type of calls that come in. that take up a lot of our time.

those are -- a known person down unresponsive. over dose and mental health inform short a considerable aim of time and energy in our top 911 by call. is calls that community paramedicine could be a good fit and is for addressing dri divert figure er to appropriate resources. special projects we worked on. hosted internships over the years. we on boarded a new cohort for spring uc berkley data science students to help with projects we have in mind we could expand that the needs of the fire department. chief referenced a study about moral injury. i was excited about the data science sf first time the fire

department awarded a spot in cohort of a problem to study multiple agencies apply and selected 3 fire department was one. and they will be examining in a 6 and get diving in data how we could make that even a better than it already is. and also another was investigating the reimburse am left-hand side scape this will come up in the futures is there are opportunity out well and there are also groups that are receiving reimbursement for work the fire department does is the insure way. we have meetings scheduled to address what we can share that because the fire department findses makes a lot of the stuff possible. >> so -- ambition for 2023.

launch a dash board in the fire portal. what every employee has access to they open and see for themselves in an individual level. it was ambifgz 2022. but dash boards other buzz word. and it was important top have something of high quality buzz a lot of what is out there is super fish and does in the say much. and become at this time reimburse am pinlt we want to work on this. you heard we changed our service model. community paramedicine when you change the service moss you need to evaluate the impact of changes. did niwork. are we better? do we need to adjust more? upon the grant upon opportunity with san jose state.

and this is just a graphic to demonstrate how i would approach evaluating public health systems or our own work. and can always go back to one of the legs of the triangle. it is access. for when on the one upon hand did we have access 911 is an advantage. but witness we do make it do we have acstoetsz resource. time day or bound by bureaucrat irk barriers. evaluating kwult, is there a service we would want for us andor family. i argue that the fire department and 911 is excellent it it is a kwult resource the richest person in the city uses 911 and the poorest. and that was thankful in making

911 a great resource. that was how i approached the work left year. >> so just closing points. every week this guess by when you meet with agencies involved in this work, san francisco fire department is become more recognized as ask the fire department to do something they get it done and collect better and higher quality data than what is out there. and i'm proud of that. 911, to speak at the points earlier how keep measure

shinnings we don't use it enough. so -- vice president morgan your point but asked about call volume rising that is correct is not by chance. calville um is rise figure 911 is the down stream safety net. there are supposed to be a number of safety nets before 911ch and for our call volume to decrease in call types demonstrates a failure. there are opportunity to use that metric in the performance of other activities in the city. and final low -- the best way came from working from the fire department. i'm proud for this

opportunities. thank you for having me. i worked closely with almost everyone in this room on a different project. and -- it is empowering to feel this supported by your organization. one left thing is none of the w left year was alone. it was not me doing this. again, speaking of support i was supported by the chief, chief mason was my supervisor. [inaudible] does a ton of work and the command staff. thank you very much. madam secretary is there public comment. nobody on the line or prop will the podium. >> public comment is closed. do you have questions or comments. i don't have i comment.

thank you for your report. commissioner feinstein. thank you, i, lieutenant you can found this fascinating i wanted to ask you a couple questions about you. you indicated you starred out at station 3. i assume that time you were a firefighter? >> i was. >> and how long did you spends there? approximately? 4 and a half years. >> i continue is a busy station. a very busy station you saw a lot. i want to commend you for bring together the i'm going to general low call at this time ems side. and i realize that we are tucking about a bit of a subset in the community paramedicine arena but.

it just to take that on. i'm i am curious to know, what med you decide you wanted to take this on? how do you go and i will tell you why i'm asking. i'm setting you up. i aapproximately joiz. but -- what -- you go off to berkeley and you get your d ph and what precipitated that? thank you for your question. may be i don't have i great answer. i lived here and moveed san (when i got hired. and to my closing point. the upon foifrpt if you are willing to work for it will support you and i'm willing to work for it. its that simple the public

health side is complex problem for the city. ure become the station 3. no now at stagsz if i have and a wing. i know what that is. i w at station 5 and 21 as allow lute. >> and i just want to just say because this is something that stuck with mow from the time i paymented in a trianual. no sense sweeping things urn the rug. i got a question from a firefighter at a station and it perhaps hoe had an attitude i did in the appreciate. the question was what will you do about the culls that are put

them back in bed calls. and why did we have to respond to them? it was a disrespectful question. there is a reason have you to finished to the calls buzz it is your job. it is your duty and you got the call. i get a sense at times it is -- a dii haved is not the right word. a division between the 49ers and the community medicine people of the and the firefighters. and many firefighters are also paramedics. i know we are trying to increase those numbers but you know -- there -- there is some kinds of internal -- tension between those that just do susxregz those that do ems.

i'm wonder when you were going through. i thought this was fascinating what you put together. and as a cal graduated myself med mow proud. but did you get any sense of this you must have coming out of station 3. but -- possible solutions, things we can do to make this more unified and in terms of the mission of the san francisco fire department. divisions internally. the right hand feels about the rit and left foals about the right and mutual respect. why i can help you out here. gro i'm sorry.

i'm sorry. it was inpresent y. if i mi, president. >> thank you. commissioner feinstein, thank you for the question and i think that our department has in i long way. we are in the perfect but our department has come a language way if when we integrated d ph medics in the late 90's. it was 2 different cultures and challenging. but i do believe that we are come a language way. is there more w to do? yes. certainly there is. we i discussed with00 automir avenue office and others like -- can we bring people through station froin first as emt's before hireda firefighters. and its -- it is a very challenging and complex thing to do in terms of staffing and

everything else. but that is one sort of -- you know -- thought, another thing we have done is i know it has not help in the years but foifrts who could volunteer to be on the upon ambulance. as the emt. we had people doing that for awhile that really you know it really i think -- brought, awareness to challenges. and i think that you know 49ers are now hired from station froin in the h2 academy at the same time. used to be they started 2 weeks after. you in they start with everyone else in the academy.

>> thank you. i did in the money it put you on the spot. you have given a fresh i different look that we are in the seen before. it is greatly appreciated. i appreciate, chief nicholson to bridge the gap of the upon in the sour this is accurate or correct. but how it felt to me or foals from time to time. and your w will go i language way toward accomplishing that. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner fraser. >> thank you, this was interesting. i'm excited we are come buoyanting our did thea or through an academic lens. your point is well taken that

the volume of 911 calls indicate different things about up stroll service. it is critical for planning for health and safety but -- i thank you this is the beginning of something important and congratulations on getting it going and getting the interest of the other academic institutions. thank you. >> thank you, commissioner. why thank you. commissioner collins. >> going forward, how will this person work be continued in data analysis of this type? >> for now i'm working part time. ft.ed with community paramedicine still this is up to how the department wants to do it. i think there is lots of opportunity out there. if this can be an examplel to

other firefighters an opportunity to do something good we very closea the lot who will take that opportunity. >> data is strategy in presenting a narrative or an impression or the way has been. the data is key. i hope we tell continue. >> thank you. lieutenant, appreciate your presentation and all the hard work. question, i'm trying to run through some conclusion from the draft. the level of service ems or pair

mettic services done boy paramedicine team? what i ment in part of that when we look at the call types and the predom nan call types is be open to the idea. we then and there a big part of the population we serve does in the need an er. part half got this program started was we anyhow that they did not need a jail cell. and this before pera medicine that is that you will existed. there are sfil barriers where we take people and why and an ambulance goes to a hospital. the van kent go to an er. those are rules set up. i meant that there are opportunity based on the calls going on to think outside the box and be creative and that's another thing that the fire

department is well suited for. why i appreciate that explanation because i will share where i was going with it. because the same time we talk about a reconfiguration but working with the crisis team when i came on, it was like the ems or ambulance service. you know we i was introduced i will spoke for myself. the concept and definition of a paramedic. then i learned had an emt is and learned station 49 how that integrates with where we are today. had i know suspect this within the lifetime the crisis teams ems that asked boy city and county to deal with. or the crisis teams that are taking providing data and services. what i see is, there was a reference in terms of the resources. what -- limitation of beds after

5150. not enough housing or follow up. we do our job on our side. but think the data reenforces the other component and how this [inaudible]. i wanted to make sure i'm not addressing too far off from the comments. >> no , i think based on what you are saying that is an accurate read. >> okay. >> chief, can i skw you to come up and give impression of when lieutenant ocford's report and how this helps and supports. >> i'm sorry can you repeat the question. why i wanted your opinion and comments in terms how this all supports with the work you do at ems and pera medicine component. >> i think chief tang will be bfrment i think a lot of the work that we have been doing and

with lieutenant i support what you say about data. one thing this we will work on going forward is being trito be more clear and explicit the did thea points about the measures of success in terms how we are able to do our work. we as community paramedics and ems do so much based on resources and access we have and we than we have been successful in this way. it it is important for us to show this in the data. and so i think we the next phase of this is to discuss in depth when are the measures of success and points we can look at it be able to show that we are doing what we are doing or if there is gentleman this is we are able to identify what the gaps are. this is the things this we will

want to be doing and the w that nick hen doing around the data pos of this. has been critical and has been when got me excited about it is how to look at the data and get that data and this is just the beginning of all of that. >> i appreciate that as well as our colleagues on the commission. and how that works also. lieutenant oxford the quality of research which has been. chief? >> president next joe and commissioners, fraser, colence, cho murreen and command staff. i wanted take time to address the questions. first, commissioner feinstein, nick is too modest. nick is one of the now members of the department this is very high low regarded in fire

suppression and hi low trinned a member of the rescue squad. to have him to come to pera medicine and help us was a coo. your question, how can we help the spirit of cooperation of all members of the fire department, our answer is right here. he hen our ambassador for him to go back and talk it vet republican foifrt and say no , i believe in this and this is why. people listen. it hen a very helpful. commissioner collins, we did in the want to let lieutenant oxford go he has his career to pursue. we have funding for a policy and did thea analyst and with the help of director corso we have are having for us to get a replace am i don't know if than i can fillllow lute ocford's shoes but we will try. one thing great having nick work

with us he has been a thought partner. he really has helped guide us and president nakajo to your question, nick kept us on our toes. we did not want to disappoint him has an unflinching view about when we are doing. everything is trans parent. and look at when we are doing if it is not doing a good job how do we improve. and so, it is like we come to work every day and don't want to disappoint him. we know he is watching. he has been fabulous for us and he is helping us out on special projects and we are trying to find a replace am. thanks. >> thank you very much. for your comments and your contribution. thank you very much lieutenant oxford, very much appreciated. at this point were you going to say something?

>> thank you. >> much appreciated. >> thank you very much. >> item 9. fire department operating budget fiscal years 23-24. 24-25. the discussion and possible action. presentation from mark corso deputy director of finance and planning on the fire department's operating budget for fitsical years 22-23, 23-24 for fire commission review, discussion and possible action. discussion of fire department budget updates and priorities. the best for last. i,000 is a discussion item not an action item. is this correct. why good morning, commissioner nakajo vice president morgan, commissioners issue command staff and maureen possible

action that is part of the discussion. it is different due to timing we will get into. i want to level this as an option. why thank you. proceed. >> ghorngd mark courseo finance and planning of the fire department here to go over the next item discussion and review of the department's budget requests. it is different timing this year. due to the early schedule ofical dar of the commission relative to the submittal date for the budget. that do you meanation due to the commission on the third of february with our submittal on the 21st. there is significant work under way. it would be approval of the department's proposal we will get into. versus other final numbers there is still a bit of work that is going on. >> a high level sum row of the items we talked about process, time line and previous meetings.

as a result of fiscal analysis from the city the next 5 years the city is looking at a deficit the next 2, 728 million. become in december departments issues dj budget instructions requesting 5% reduction in the first year and 8% in the secondier for all departments and for us this is 5% equals to 6.9 million and 8% is 11 million. as far as time lines, the department has needs to submit our budget with all other city departmentses to the mir and kreller's office by february 21st. and after that it it is out of the department's control as far as updating in the system. working with the mayor's office moving forward on that and get in this in a moment. jury room we talked about it previously, begin the structure of our budget and when is funds

significant reduction requested in the needs instructions are difficult given the impacts of them. outside of just we talked about the 90 percent of our budget guess on front line saul row and benefits members. ems, fire and paramedicine, et cetera. not only that alegality of the remaining items directly support this. begin low staffing and response times impact of these cause material impacts to operations of the department. >> we have very limited with minimum staffing limited flexibility. we have to staff positions every day that it is a challenge. and in addition we are playing catch up on the facility and equipment side.

begin funding issues that have been on going yearly. deferred maintenance and those are sacrificed when it come to budget times. commissioner collins mentioned working continues we had. we improved staffing this is something we monitor with retirement and new hire making sure we have staff to hire. and replace the position this is produces over time. improves moral and improves the health of the department. in addition we are looking at ref now impacts from the city. with the budget instructions and projections the city is looking at significant deficit. that has we are told pilot mayor does instead include projections for recession.

so that will always be hovering over and we will monitor and work with city diameters that is a very much impact we are bracing for. it does in the seem like news will get better. so we are working through the issues they impact the department directly and the city over all. and department indirectly. >> as a measure of comparison when we talk about the numbers and the reductions also the scope of them. if we electric at a 6.9 million as a 5% reduction when does this look like? so from this perspective the 6 opinion 9 million is the cost of 2-1/2 engine companies for the year. that obviously is a very significant out lay for costs there.

and equal to 7 and a half, 12 hour ambulances per day that is a huge part of your float. and if you look on nonpersonnel. take all of the materials and supplies and equipment funding in the budget on operation's side, that sick opinion 9 million equals to 90%. i reduction would have material impacts to the department. hahas changed we are wing on the budget and continuingum to the submittal on february 21.. we are updating the staffing mtsdz. what was approved last year and there has been changes and fiscal and prescriptional as far as staffing levels. so we are refinning that up to

february looking at retirement and projected new horse and relief for over time. those are always analyzed and updating our projections to reflect that. work order requests and performing but receiving so this is over the next few weeks manage we will do as well. and another pos is ref now looking at potential changes to the good. but the exact impact of the changeers being under analysis. working wither per ins inside the city and outside to get a better grasp- it is a pos we work on up to the submittal. and then establishing and prioritizing needs as we have. and a number that are not funds and may be hard to funds. but we are going to be continue

to add haveicate for neateds and prioritize and work with the major's office the next couple weeks. >> what are the department's priorities as we dot item and appropriate our budget when are we looking for. we want to ensour we have levels of funding to support the 41 line ems and fire suppression and paramedicine services we have. this we are operating and that are appropriate for the level of service we electric at. on the flip side we are trying to identify potential other sources of funding in order to lessen that reduction or that budget pressure we have since we relion the general fund. that is ref now and potentially discussion about the reallocation of the street teams and could be other avenues for funding those.

those are things we will machine tornot over the next couple weeks but toward the june first budget if the major's office. we are looking during covid we had significance budget reductions on the focused on equip and et cetera. look to restore those we will talk to this in a mobile home. and also condition firm we have resources to support our personnel and nonpersonnel side. exist and 40 employees we have. mental health services for employees the hiring initiatives and support recruits and as we do training ensure those. they are not directly front line they impact the diameters employees. >> justmented highlight the big

areas any changes that we are looking at a mentioned for operations we are under going a pretty much from the zero base budget for look at retirements look at new hires and potential leave over time update our staffing. >> we are including which is included in the base budget our hiring plan for 2 foifrt academies each year and this time back fill on the ems side to maintain the staffing levels. on the fire side we will see the surgeon set of our fema safer grant funding 36 of our relatively new h2 firefighter employees. this sun sets in february of 24. so those people then will be absorbed in staffing we

accounted for this and ensure that is appropriately included. we are looking, ems ref now. including a few external programs. we seen an increase in the current year. discussed do you to call volume in general over all as the city recovers. we have seen and with the impact of the 60 now emf's and paramedics we hired the market share increased and call volume increased that result in the ref nows in the current year and projected for the budget year before you. this will be manage we are lookinga the and in addition there are a few supplemental ems ref now programs. twhon anticipate one time back payment on. likely in the current year and rolling over to next year and given the higher increase in call volume have a positivem

picture for us. and i mentioned, want to restore a few of the equipment initiatives one reduced during covid was the ems equipment fund. ref nows collect exclude allocated them to equip. the higher ticket items and this was do you to budget constraints roused during corid and look to restore this "mayor's office. >> the other yours was fire prevention staffing. staffing over all. so -- the role of fire prevention expanded in the past now joers and continue to do a couple of the executive initiatives discussed with housing and converting office space and the fire department has a big role in the review to ensure plans comply with safety

and their that will take resources. but other sufficiented this, there are fee and ref nows associated with us perform thanksgiving w. we are working with the major's office to make sour we are resourced and self supporting fire prevention through the fees. we want to make sure we are not only accepting de feos and appropriately resourceed perform the w. we don't want to holdup anything but make sure we have resources to accomplish. we are working with the permit center team, on south van ness. during covid lack of public admit building that changed and will continue to develop as the w flow increases. with regards to payment system and how people are funneled through the press. we want to have appropriate resources to accomplish goal,

which is an fortunate comprehensive press for the public electric to get permits we want to be appropriately resourced. in previous kwloers a work regard dbi to fund 6 positions for out reach. both on the civil yen and uniform side. and that will continue that work order discontinued as far as the funding. working with the per se's office we have been able on absorb the positions. we will work on this but should not have a chink we will absorb the position in our budget. in addition the fees over all there are language there is language inspect legislation with regards to increase for cpi and other changes. there is 5 opinion 1 percent the adjustment projected for next year with inflation and more

significant cannot than in previous years. and similar to the ref stouration of ems equipment fund a fund for fire prevention vehicles for personnel moving around the city. that was reduced during covid and look to restore that to support the functions. >> a couple other quick points training, we are looking to ensure this we offer our training staff resources for providing the trinning that will go on. both with new hires and existing. so the extent we can -- make sure we have on the academy side there has been resources needed for testing for documentation. we want to make sure we are updating staffing there. and on the capitol side, we have an allocation for the first year

approved last year. given the impacts over all of budget and the projected deficit this . it is under review. we would be advocating to at least keep happen and improve on this we will have hearings at planning on the stele's over all plan which is the larger scale project we have a few coming down the line. and also on the annual budget maintenance and repair. the years of deferred mince we will advocate for that as well. where are we currently as far as when we would propose. i think for the number of the reasons we talked about, in discussions with the chief. we are going to be unable to meet that target level of reduction requests. without material low impacting operations of the department. that's an issue we had yearly

but true as we come out with covid as other areas have been reduced we are trying to restore those but able to resource us going forward. we will look at any adjustmentless we will need to make to the budget the next few weeks this if we are not making huge changes we'll have discussions with the major's office about those. some of those are policy related. but farz with the department mittal they will not be impacted. look to exhaust other ref now yours both through other funding source through fees, not a few fees but as far as recooping revenues to help support the initiatives we would -- i

mentioned with ems revenue we anticipate a significant addition or is up element to the existing budget would help cover the requested deficit and we would like to also re@icate those to existing needs we have. that will be an on going conversation with the major's office. upon given where we are on the time frame, i think we are proposing to give an over view the first weekend or meeting in march. where we had submitted our do you meanation to the major's office and give them moreover view of what has been submitted. and we will obviously, be working closely with the mayor and chief mentioned we met with the budget director on monday. we near contact with the major's budget office about the current year and projected for the next

2 fiscal years as we work through policy changes. funding needs and et cetera . and we can provide additional updates as we go through the process as needed but -- we are going to be continuing the conversations moving forward. with that, help to open to questions. >> thank you very much, director corso. at this point is there public comment on this item? there is nobody approaching the podium or on the line. >> public men is closed. commissioners are there questions for the director? at this point? madam? commissioner feinstein. [inaudible].

>> well organized presentation. in terms of the many issues that are coming down the pikes. it feels to me as if the department gets asked to do more and more things and -- not necessarily what the fund to come along to do this. and -- will i'm asking inn unpleasant question i can't figure out. knowledge is not my strength. what you do to come up with a 5% cut here? have the fire department that we are proud of 82,000 housing unit

this is is a lot of permit this is is a lot of inspections that is -- you know. manpower i don't money this in a gender specific way buhman power. and i don't know whether internal low there are discussions going on or not. based on what you are saying february 21, whatever it is the powers that be in the department decide will be the budget will go to the mayor's office. and i can't see where we are going to cut 5% and offer the same level of service this

people expect from us. it seems unfair it is 5% no matter what department you are or what work you do. when there are functions of city government that all citizens expect and deserve and fundamental. and fire department service are -- i 19through all areas of the department are -- are -- it is just like police services. you and certain things your city will provide. and -- i just i can't see here how we are going to cut 5%. >> i agree. i know your point is well taken

and it is something we struggle with the evolving scope of work or a small project level buzz of the staffing requirements we have. we can't reallocate people to a new project. it takes away out of the operational workforce or additional. that limits our flexibility to the over all question this is hat department is proposing based on issues i don't think we would be proposing reductions or anything we could do that to mote that minimum man dated amount. i think there are operational issues that if there were reductions cause impacts we would nohave the ability to mandate upon gib either with staffing levels. i think the proposaled be we

would not meet that reduction level. we would work closely with the mayor's office on efficiencies or potential savings funding or hahave you. as far as the operational impact that is too large to submit. joy proernlt your forthrightness this is helpful and disturbing but helpful to us. thank you. for the effort that went in your presentation. >> thank you >> commissioner fraser in >> what she said and i have the additional 5.1% increase in cpi this is more of a cut in a way. i don't know how this budget works exact low that is not great news. one question i of was about the

positions that were funded by department of building inspection? they said, sorry we are taking them away? this wasave few years ago the major's office incorporated 6 positions for inspectors and 2 civilian special designed to help assist with legislation regarding fire alarms. as well as just general community out roach in yours that had seen an increase in fires. working with the mayor's office they included a work order there are some physical challengeos the dbi side. they have absorbed those in our budget.

the magic absorption procedure will take care of the positions? why yes, we were -- that funding was added the budget by mayor's office. we should be good. >> i appreciate it i know that my feeling cuts 5% is a quick

and dirty way to balance budgets instead of drilling down special not time. that would have to be a city wide process everybody participates in. i guess we have to do something. we do wh go forward. i think to this question. i think a lot it is in the as. every suggestion is taken. there are, the city and in the individual departments will need to solve for and if every department gave 5% there is a dela there there are instructal issues the city needs to work on. >> thank you. >> the

short answer of that. the issue we have on our side is we don't have the resources to do that work and if this was the case so left year is an example. we had support from the mayor's office to hire 2 trade positions there were new positions add to the budget than i were not funded but use the the facility fund them and than i are in the process of being hired now a plumb and are electrician we

triage that work before we call dpw to assist us this would give us more internal efficiency and priority wragz but ruse costs and allow you to perform more work. the issue with not calling or having is this we don't have a lot of facility resources to help do this work and if we don't address it is going to be expensive y. i did not money it imploy this is billed on you have the people. we have the people in house i'm just comparing the america up of a someone we bring on dpw must charge. and wondering if the private market could, leaveiate in of the spending on our side. and that the allocation of work on their side. i wander upon if there is that avenue to roach a win/win there.

>> there is in those conversations have been going on for years. well is civil service rules and mou implication busy this. but i think the 2 positions we received left year are a good step in this direction and a good did thea point to show the efficiency of this. so hopeful low as that program gets implemented we will expand on this to help us over all. chief. >> thank you. p. commissioner collins. wee sometimes go outside to patriots to get the w done. usually because -- dpw does in the have the person power to dot work for us.

these are approved contactors approved by city they have a bit of a mark up but -- we are able to use them you know -- i would say somewhat regularly. but really i have been trying to dpet us our own people for years. we made progress and i'm curious to see i think we will be so much more efficient. get so much more done. you and not i like to mobile mechanic for the vehicles and so i have been pushing for it for years and i think we got our not in the door. so -- let's see when we can do. we use privates. public works has first right of

refusal. i'm imagining if i had public w and i'm looking at the stack of requests i have and i also have the mandate to cut. that might be posed as, okay here is category i don't have to do. you know possibly. just solutions all of which you were considered. i think part of the challenge in terms of wing with another department or cutting if another department is the -- mayor's budget office see its as one pile of monetch it is not necessary low gaining or losing anything for the over all city budget. it makes sense. but if i'm taking hated of dpw

out to lunch and roaching an agreement. i don't know. we will talk. we will talk, cyst are commissioners i'm looking forward to it. >> thank you. great report. why thank you. >> thank you very much, commissioner collins thank you. director corso this was i discussion and action itemful i need clarity if there is an action item the commission is required. >> required oom not sure. i think the if there was an action item it would be for the department to the commission to direct the department to continue w with the mayor's office the next few months leading up to the john first budget submittal it approve the department's position this we would not be able to meet the

full man dated reduction requests. and then on provide updated information to the commission upon submittal of the budget. why okay. so -- director corso. as mart of the text the department proposal, and -- what i need to hear is clarity in terms of if this is a motion boy us. like to hear clirity had the motion is any you verbalized it. you want to give us that. i do need more clarity in terms of a motion in front of commission? i also heard you say something

in terms of second page the fire commission received a review of budget documents submitted to the major's office of february that dpaet correct the 21st dead listen in is this sufois hall are talking about? >> i would only add the direction to the department from the commission would be to continue w with the major's budget office the next few months. >> chief. >> i don't know that do we have to have an action on this? i don't know if we dom i know you have approved our budget proposals in the past. but i don't know the in's and outs of everything you have to do and we can also bring to you you know after february 21st we bring when we submitted. so -- i don't know if we need to i don't know i don't vice

president that information. if we have a comprehension had you are proposing we can move forward until we have to make an adoption in terms of our position this is one thing. let mow hear from the commissioners. commissioner fraser. if we need to have an action the your page 10 the department principle would be to me the first 2 bullets continue -- unable to meet target reduction and it is important for us to endorse that has a commission. why the point of information page 11 is also a continuance of the proposal. that the director used. if there is a guide line to a motion and i'm not convinced we need a motion.

could you dmiem on this? unless they want to all out refusal of reduction. i don't, you know. but -- obviously won't can't meet them. and -- reply this nature to some degree we can't mote this budget. the budget reduck. i'm not sure if we need to do it at this meeting. i'm looking at the director and the chief of the department in terms of consensus where commission approval is. in terms of when we are talking about. commissioner feinstein. >> i am of the belief that we don't need a motion. i think we have your presentation and which out lining what the department is

doing strategically and why you are doing each the aspects this you are dog. and -- i don't think we need a motion to say that we support you in doing this. it would being more that support you and we would need a motion i think. but it so manies to mow that we are dog the best we can. given what the parameters are and tell be going forward after february 21st. this we need to take more formal action. that is my thought on it. >> commissioner collins. we don't need a motion the minutes could reflect that the commission agrees with the direction that ask is taken and

looks for the to the meeting at which i motion will be taken. >> okay. thank you very much. commissioners. chief of the department. we are looking at a concurring agreement in terms of -- for clarity in terms of myself. page 10 and 11 it says the department proposal. and the language in terms of this unable to make target reductions and in dialogue with the major's office and you will bring back information to us and may be we have to go through a formal adoption of the budget before we move forward. >> i don't know if you need to do a formal -- i think in the past the opportunity because after february we don't have access to adjust anything. in the system. if there was something the commission felt needed to be included or a disagreement as commissioner seventy-nine

feinstein mentioned sounds lo like everyone upon is in alignment >> thank you for spend thanksgiving time if we have this understanding we will move forward director corso. >> good. why thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. and madam secretary? i know we need to vacate this chamber at 12 >> public comment on item 11. public comment on all matters pertaining to item 11 b including public comment on whether to hold item 11 b in closed session. >> i will need a motion in terms of this item to move to closed session. why there is nobody on the public comment line. why and nobody approaching the podium. >> thank you. i would move to redobb convocabulary in closed session. >> i'm not there yet.

why i'm sorry. >> public closed session regarding unlitigated claim. vote on well to conduct items 11 b in closed session pursuant to code 54957b and code 67.10 b. i must have we commence this item in closed session. >> a second. why i second this. why thank you very much. voip morgan. >> president nakajo. >> aye >> commissioner fraser. >> aye. >> and commissioner collins. >> aye. >> we will go in closed session at 11:33. >> here we go. this it is to advise the members that item 11 b will be

continued. to a meeting at a later date. so we will go on to item 14 which is adjournment. >> thank you. commissioners, need a motion. please. why second. >> vice president morgan. >> president nakajo. >> aye. >> commissioner fraser. >> aye. >> and commissioner collins. >> aye. >> this meeting is adjourned at 11. . 47.

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obvious, but we see it every day, magazines, commercials the idea what a woman should look like but i like to be a strong female role for it goals that play sports because a lot of times they don't see someone strong in a female role with something connected with sports and athleticism and i love i can bring that to the table. >> soccer, poetry, community service. we now have field of dreams. we are [inaudible] all over the bay area and excited to be share our mission with other schools across the bay to really build the confidence and character of kids when they go out to play and close their eyes and think, why was [inaudible] we want to make sure-i want to make sure they remember me and remember the other folks who [inaudible] >> get out there and do it. who cares about what anybody else says. there will be poopal people that come up and

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a city like no other, san francisco has been a beacon of hope, and an ally towards lgbtq equal rights. [♪♪] >> known as the gay capital of america, san francisco has been at the forefront fighting gay civil rights for decades becoming a bedrock for the

historical firsts. the first city with the first openly gay bar. the first pride parade. the first city to legalize gay marriage. the first place of the iconic gay pride flag. established to help cancel policy, programses, and initiatives to support trans and lgbtq communities in san francisco. >> we've created an opportunity to have a seat at the table. where trans can be part of city government and create more civic engagement through our trans advisory committee which advises our office and the mayor's office. we've also worked to really address where there's gaps across services to see where we can address things like housing and homelessness, low income,

access to small businesses and employment and education. so we really worked across the board as well as meeting overall policies. >> among the priorities, the office of transgender initiatives also works locally to track lgbtq across the country. >> especially our young trans kids and students. so we do a lot of work to make sure we're addressing and naming those anti-trans policies and doing what we can to combat them. >> trans communities often have not been included at the policy levels at really any level whether that's local government, state government. we've always had to fend for ourselves and figure out how to care for our own communities. so an office like this can really show and become a model for the country on how to really help make sure that our

entire community is served by the city and that we all get opportunities to participate because, in the end, our entire community is stronger. >> the pandemic underscored many of the inequities they experienced on a daily basis. nonetheless, this health crisis also highlighted the strength in the lgbtq and trans community. >> several of our team members were deployed as part of the work at the covid command center and they did incredit able work there both in terms of navigation and shelter-in-place hotels to other team members who led equity and lgbtq inclusion work to make sure we had pop-up testing and information sites across the city as well as making sure that data collection was happening. we had statewide legislation that required that we collected

information on sexual orientation and our team worked so closely with d.p.h. to make sure those questions were included at testing site but also throughout the whole network of care. part of the work i've had a privilege to be apart of was to work with o.t.i. and a community organization to work together to create a coalition that met monthly to make sure we worked together and coordinated as much as we could to lgbtq communities in the city. >> partnering with community organizations is key to the success of this office ensuring lgbtq and gender nonconforming people have access to a wide range of services and places to go where they will be respected. o.t.i.'s trans advisory committee is committed to being that voice. >> the transgender advisory counsel is a group of amazing community leaders here in san francisco. i think we all come from all

walks of life, very diverse, different backgrounds, different expertises, and i think it's just an amazing group of people that have a vision to make san francisco a true liberated city for transgender folks. >> being apart of the grou allows us to provide more information on the ground. we're allowed to get. and prior to the pandemic, there's always been an issue around language barriers and education access and workforce development. now, of course, the city has been more invested in to make sure our community is thriving and making sure we are mobilizing. >> all of the supervisors along

with mayor london breed know that there's still a lot to be done and like i said before, i'm just so happy to live in a city where they see trans folks and recognize us of human beings and know that we deserve to live with dignity and respect just like everybody else. >> being part of the trans initiative has been just a great privilege for me and i feel so lucky to have been able to serve for it for so far over three years. it's the only office of its kind and i think it's a big opportunity for us to show the country or the world about things we can do when we really put a focus on transgender issues and transgender communities. and when you put transgender people in leadership positions. >> thank you, claire. and i just want to say to claire farly who is the leader of the office of transgender initiatives, she has really taken that role to a whole

other level and is currently a grand marshal for this year's s.f. prize. so congratulations, claire. >> my dream is to really look at where we want san francisco to be in the future. how can we have a place where we have transliberation, quality, and inclusion, and equity across san francisco? and so when i look five years from now, ten years from now, i want us to make sure that we're continuing to lead the country in being the best that we can be. not only are we working to make sure we have jobs and equal opportunity and pathways to education, employment, and advancement, but we're making sure we're taking care of our most impacted communities, our trans communities of color, trans women of color, and black trans women. and we're making sure we're addressing the barriers of the access to health care and mental health services and we're supporting our seniors

who've done the work and really be able to age in place and have access to the services and resources they deserve. so there's so much more work to do, but we're really proud of the work that we've done so far. [♪♪]

[♪♪♪] >> i really believe that art should be available to people for free, and it should be part of our world, you shouldn't just be something in museums, and i love that the people can just go there and it is there for everyone. [♪♪♪] >> i would say i am a multidimensional artist. i came out of painting, but have also really enjoyed tactile properties of artwork and tile work. i always have an interest in public art. i really believe that art should be available to people for free, and it should be part of our world. you shouldn't just be something in museums.

i love that people can just go there, and it is there for everyone. public art is art with a job to do. it is a place where the architecture meets the public. where the artist takes the meaning of the site, and gives a voice to its. we commission culture, murals, mosaics, black pieces, cut to mental, different types of material. it is not just downtown, or the big sculptures you see, we are in the neighborhood. those are some of the most beloved kinds of projects that really give our libraries and recreation centers a sense of uniqueness, and being specific to that neighborhood. colette test on a number of those projects for its. one of my favorites is the oceanview library, as well as several parks, and the steps.

>> mosaics are created with tile that is either broken or cut in some way, and rearranged to make a pattern. you need to use a tool, nippers, as they are called, to actually shape the tiles of it so you can get them to fit incorrectly. i glued them to mash, and then they are taken, now usually installed by someone who is not to me, and they put cement on the wall, and they pick up the mash with the tiles attached to it, and they stick it to the wall, and then they groped it afterwards. [♪♪♪] >> we had never really seen artwork done on a stairway of

the kinds that we were thinking of because our idea was very just barely pictorial, and to have a picture broken up like that, we were not sure if it would visually work. so we just took paper that size and drew what our idea was, and cut it into strips, and took it down there and taped it to the steps, and stepped back and looked around, and walked up and down and figured out how it would really work visually. [♪♪♪] >> my theme was chinese heights because i find them very beautiful. and also because mosaic is such a heavy, dens, static medium, and i always like to try and incorporate movement into its, and i work with the theme of water a lot, with wind, with clouds, just because i like movements and lightness, so i

liked the contrast of making kites out of very heavy, hard material. so one side is a dragon kite, and then there are several different kites in the sky with the clouds, and a little girl below flying it. [♪♪♪] >> there are pieces that are particularly meaningful to me. during the time that we were working on it, my son was a disaffected, unhappy high school student. there was a day where i was on the way to take them to school, and he was looking glum, as usual, and so halfway to school, i turned around and said, how about if i tell the school you

are sick and you come make tiles with us, so there is a tile that he made to. it is a little bird. the relationship with a work of art is something that develops over time, and if you have memories connected with a place from when you are a child, and you come back and you see it again with the eyes of an adult, it is a different thing, and is just part of what makes the city an exciting place. [♪♪♪]

>> the meeting will come to order. good morning everybody and welcome to monday february 13, 2023 meeting rules committee of the san francisco board of surprisers. i'm supervisor dorsey joined by vice chair shamann walton and we are waiting on committee member safai. thanks so much to- >> i'm here online. >> okay. >> joining remotely is our committee member ahsha safai. thanks so much to