is >> the meeting will come to order. welcome to upon monday february 27, 2023 meeting of the rules committee of the board of supervisors i'm mat dorsey chair of the committee and joined boy my colleagues vice chair walton and committee member safai. i want to express gratitude to victor young and michael and the mire team at sfgovtv the board

are having hybrid meeting and remote access via phone of the board recognizes equal access is essential. first public comment on each item on the agenda. those in personal be allowed to speak first and then take those waiting on the phone line for those watching on tv and sfgov.org public call in numbers are streaming. the number is 415-655-0001 and enter the id of 24956081333 and pound >> when your item come up and public comment is called those in person line and up those on the phone dial star 3 to be added to the speaker line. if you on the phone remember to

turn down your tv and listening devices. as already indicated we take public comment >> those in person and phone line. opinion comment in wroiting in the following ways e mail them to myself through the clerk victor. young sfgov.org if you send it e mill tell be include as part of the file. may cent boy u.s. mail to city hall 1 dr. carlton b. goodlett place, room 244, san francisco, california 94102. that concludes my comments. >> thank you. before i ask the clerk to call item 1 i wanted to mention thattil make a couple of changes to the order to accommodate aaron peskin hol join us. and better accommodate public interesting and participation

who braved a rainy morning to make public comment on the issue of public comments 1 and 3 before 2 and that 5 governing board remote public comment before item 4 on the homelessness oversight commission which will be the last today. 1, 3, 2, 5 and 4 and i felt will call them in that order. call item 1. >> hearing appointing a member to the assessment appeal's board 1. one seat one applicant for seat 6. this speaker was present and provided testimony at the last meet and other present on the phone line if you like additional comments. >> miss mitchell spoke to interests at the last meeting the item had to be continued. show is in the joining today but

is remote. if tlur follow up questions. clothes, are there any questions for miss mitchell? let's open this up to public comment. members when wish to speak and joining person line up at this time. for those call nothing call 415-655-0001, access code: 2495 608 1333## you will need to press star 3 to enter the line. wait until you have been unmuted that will be your queue to comment. i don't see anybody in the room for public comment and nobody on the phone line for this item. >> thank you. public comment on item one is closed. like to make a motion to sends item 1 to the full board with

positive recommendation. >> appointment everfor appointment to seat 6 and residency requirement is required but inform third degree is a state requirement it is not required. >> on that motion, supervisor safai. >> aye. >> vice chair walton. >> aye. >> chair dorsey. >> aye. >> the motion passes without objection. >> on the unanimous vote item 1 will go to the full board with a positive recommendation. mr. clerk call item 3 >> item low is motion confirming rejecting the nom nakz n tamsen drew to the assessor agency commission for 4 year termening november third of 26.

>> thank you. miss drew? the floor is yours. >> my apologies >> thank you, chair dorsey and member of rules i'm honored by the appointment providing me the opportunities to return to public service joining community investment and infrastructure. today i'm seeking your support to serve on the commission. >> please allow me to shirr my experience. i'm familiar with the core work of ocii and the commission. served as a senior project manager for candlestick redevelopment project one remaining under ocii's purview. begin my experience i have a deep knowledge and understanding of the challenges and complexities of delivering these projects. during my time at ocii i managed the approvals for large scale

public infrastructure, private/public and below market rate housing and other amenities and establishing public financing tools like community facility districts transfer of the formy candlestick stadium site and clean land treasure if the navy. i created a process for reporting on the progress of public scombfs over saw our community engagement efforts. i have the deepest knowledge and experience of the ship yard i'm familiar with ocii2 i think project yours. when i moved to san francisco 15 years ago i lived in student house nothing mission bay while attending law school and served on the east cut community benefit district board. my experience will inform my approach on the commission. under scored the significant and

former redevelopment agency made to the members of the bayview, mission bay and soma communities. it is a role of the commission to hold the agency accountable for delivering on commitments whether they relate to environmental clean up or delivering promised community benefits. i would be honored give my time to this important work and request your support i'm available for questions. thank you. >> thank you. and i see my colleague vice chair walton. >> thank you. approximate thank you for steppingum. i do have a couple of questions one i know you are aware of the falseification of documents from at the time are tech on the ship yard and the navy has not cloned up the ship yard.

thank you for that question supervisor walton i was the project manager during that time when the false ifshgz of at the time are tech documents came to light. obviously the behaviors of the individuals involves is unacceptable. in the last 5 years i have not been as close to the project. i see as a crisis of frust. community needs to trust that the ship yard is cleaned and the commission ensures the navy does what they have committed to do. this it is a prior for me. coming back and workoth project. is ensuring that the work is done and done right. and that we have done the appropriate out reach and engagement to build that trust with the community so that folks

have transparency what transpired on the site. >> you mind flattering me with one of the ideas. one idea i understand is common in other remediation site system it have a third party inspector review the work being performed. i think that was a component missing during the at the time are tech clean up. that independent oversight would have prevented or been a check on the work of the navy's contractor while performing the work. >> and just my last question. we have -- certificate of pefrns holders that were pushed out to areas here in san francisco and we have been working heard to finds those. what are your thoughts about strengthning that policy and making a broader spectrum of folks pushed out of the city.

jot certificate of preference program is both for individuals who were displaced from housing during the actions of the redevelopment sxaejs some businesses that were displaced. i know that the ocii add heres to the certificate of preference holder means cop holders have the right first right to new affordable housing units below market rate housing. i think the issue has been out reach to cop holders to know when new units come onlineful having a clear, easy, simple process for folks who are interested in accessing housing be available. i'm not totally up to speed about hat current department is doing to ensure that. it is questions i have when i get on the commission about how the agency is propping those and

ensure cop holders know what rights they have as certificate holders as well as it made easy for them to access those rights. >> thank you. next. supervisor safai. i know you had your statement prepared i appreciate you manage in and thought we had a nice conversation the other day. wanted to give you an opportunity to say more words about how you seat future of not redevelopment the body you will sit on and when role it plays in helping san francisco achieve some of the affordable housing goals that we are trying to achieve the next 10 years. >> thank you for that question. so -- the former redevelopment agency. has a very clear mandate on what

they should being working on. you know -- it is rare for bodies to have clarity. so the role is irrelevant to complete the development of mission bay transbay and hunter's point and candlestick point. the city completed their housing element calling for house being to be developed in san francisco and the cites provide especially candlestick, opportunity for delivering on the market rate component and meaningful low on the below market rate unit that wills be built and committed to as part of the vision for the future of our city. >> thank you. we talked about it, do you think oci will ever work with the arena to get that small piece of land? [laughter] i think that park is

what i'm the core of hai'm interested in. we made commitments to build park and housing and need to deliver on those. i think that is a prime example of the work that ocii needs to do efficiently. >> supervisor, chair dorsey we want that park don in front of the arena. >> don't get me started. >> thank you >> thank you. thank you. i want to i was in the san francisco city attorney's office during the issue this is went on with at the time are tech. that is something that i appreciate the line of questioning about that.

supervisor walton district and my district and i appreciate from our conversation i'm a big fan of the east cut cbd and spur and the things the groups you are involved in. i think if there are no more comments from clothes mr. clerk open up this to public comment. why members of the public who wish to speak joining person should lineup to speak. for those lynching remote call 415-655-0001. access code: 2495 608 1333##. once connected press star 3 to enter the line. for those in the queue. wait until the system indicates you have been unmoud that will be your queue to begin your comment. in person commenter. >> good morning chair dorsey i'm

andrew robinson from the east cut commune benefit district. i'm proud to peek in support of the appointment of the oci commission. as you know tamsen share said she was a staff member but in the 5 years she accumulated the experience i think will serve the commission limp she served on the east are cut cbd board and active in projects of the neighborhood and the board. helping us work through conversations and negotiations with the trans bay joint power authority comanage the transit center and we are always giving park. we help moving that in the project as limp the active involve. through the years since she left

the city bring a wealth of information and knowledge that will help her make a strong thought decisions around projects that credit a healthy san francisco. when she was in the mayor's office and i wanted peek to her qualities there. tamsen would be an incredible member of the board because of her optimism. she seas a problem and takes it head on. they seem insurmountable but tamsen does not let up. show is passionate about the work she does. she are everyone appreciated

that i hope you will support tamsen. >> thank you. >> seeing no additional people in the room for public comment we can move to remote comment we have 3 people in line for remote. our first caller. >> hello good morning, thank you for unmuting me and taking my question or my comment. thank you for the new appointment, i would like to voice my concern when working

with my communities in the bay vow hunter's point we have all seen there has been a lot of people that in and go. walton will be a fixture there i'm concern about a new appointment because we are struggling with contractors and residence dens to have an even playing fair ground. and so with the commune members and the commune members that are in the contractor union on the boards because while in the last year we have seen more development.

frusounding like you make that commitment across the board that is my person concern as a native unicorn san francisco bayview native. >> can we have our next caller. >> i'm that makea moss. thank you, chair dorse and he committee members. i am the founder of bay area organization work to address housing insecurity and homelessness. the pleasure of working with tamsen drew overnight years and speak nothing support of her appointment to the commission. i think that tamsen like the other speakers have said is the most humble public servants i have known and committed to

advancing the work of ocii and the frank low improving the conditions for the vulnerable in communities. i had the pleasure of working with tamsen in the city of san francisco and across the region in her role at sales force and serving on the board of spur i could not think of a per person to serve i recommend you approve her confirmation. >> thank you. i'm dialing in from had hato reaffirm my support for tamsen drought. she has been a great leader to me and the sales force and understanding the intersection of desire to do good and the

politics rivered execute. so i want to irrelevant express my support and [inaudible] have tamsen drew on the commission. next speaker, please. >> supervisors, i'm francisco decosta. you all read the grand jury report. and the grand jury report states in the final paragraph upon the shipyards clone to residential

standards. in order to do that we need billions of dlirz. we ask the navy to come to the public meetings refused not once, not twice but many times. so we do have a supervisor who says, that -- should be cleaned. but you have no idea how much it will cost. no idea what so ever. >> you have low near who wanted to build a shopping mall. and now wants to build,

buildings. and our supervisors have not informed us as to that is going to really happening there. as a former candlestick stadium this has been torn down and big hole over there. so -- you have no. speaker time. >> no leadership. >> just note each public commenter is allocated 2 minutes per speaker we apologize if we are to cut anybody you have. next caller, please. >> hello i'm uma [inaudible] [inaudible] and i [inaudible] about the commune needing to trust that the ship yard is cleaned up. i hope that everyone in government realizes the ownous

is on the government and just the government. monitoring the environment for expose urs and po loogz that is affecting the area and have things -- that are very radio active and toxic. having disasteros residents there. people there. including calling the [inaudible]. which is the rang around the radiation. no senseors near this excite. and so i hope that is everyone's

mind especially when consider adding more people to the area. okay. thank you. by. experience working on public/private partnership with post entitlement development on major development prshths like hunter's point and the experience that is important as the city navigates challenges to getting the projects off the ground to meet the housing leadership goals of 82,000 units over the next 8 years.

>> thank you very much. >> i'm diana i live in the bay vow and calling to support tamsen drew on the commission. i believe tamsen has the knowledge and passion and driveway to really fight for the residence of san francisco and represent us on the commission. i think show will -- she the

knowledge, and the commitment to hold the federal government accountable and make sure they are fulfilling the requirements under the law. and i urge your support. thank you. >> that was our last public commenter for this matter. ja thank you, mr. clerk. public comment is closed. >> seeing no further discussion from my colleagues i like to make a motion to amend to strike reject on page one lines low and 13 and sends this motion to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> the motion to amend and recommend to the full board. supervisor safai. >> aye. >> vice chair walton >> >> aye >> chair dorsey. >> aye. >> the motion passes without objection. >> thank you, mr. young on the

unanimous vote and item 3 go to the full board with a positive recommendation. call item 2 >> item 2 is a motion approving the appointment of victoria gray ending 2026 to historic preservation commission. members of the rowels committee and president peskin. and the tune to serve the greatest ecstasy in the world upon i'm a native of san francisco born and raised with 42 years ago. regarding my nomination i would like to address my qualifications. academic trinning and work experience meet the second

qualification standardses for history. i have a bachelor in art history and worked as a professional institution of bobham and butterfield since 2003. and bay area history and much of research and work focused on historic interior and significant cans in the bay area and north america as well as important upon bay area estate collections of historic figures. >> the h pc landmarked authority over buildings interiors and the commission has a critical need for common who has expertise on interiors, objects. monuments. murals. artifacts and furniture.

have written approximate contributed esas focussed on object specials artifact fist san francisco bay area. monuments. including the suit row family the dollar family. big 4 fame and more reasonable our beloved george and charlotte shuttle. i researchs and written scholarly esaos asian american and native cult urs of san francisco and the bay your. this includes w on theela king collection of money on lake basketry the person native basket collections from eastern sierra region. i also completed historic work the san finish asian art museum

a rare ming collection from eleanor major car loyal. and the collection of the late chang a famous san francisco restaurant oour and the mandarin restaurant for many decades. i have also advises researchs and handles the auctions for skullors from palace of finards and institutions ruche as henry africa and eddiericcen dltd balker. a feasibility study for rivera mural at san francisco art institute as well as the arcould i have thes from the grounds horn family from the press building at 1335 sutter street, listed in the national register of historic places. >> treasured bay area institutions. sf mobile homea the wells fargo

museum on montgomery. the lonelyingon of honor and asian art museum.

speak built role of the historic preservation commission. founding and whoed we got here. in 2007, i believe was the author of a charter amendment that elevated our then many decades lan mark, preservation advisory board to the status of a commission. whennard 10 of the planning code. i cutting edge context including

general slots on the for at large folks also the notion of having specific types of historic preservation expertise. in the case of this seat, is an individual that is required meet the secretary of interior of the united states standards. for history relative to

eligibility. i think -- part of the question for this mittee and the board of spierzs and consider this nomination is whether or not indeed the nominee meets those qualifications. and i want to start this by noting that there has been a lack and i say this respectful low. truthfully of collaboration between the appointing authority and the board of supervisors and the drafter of this measure. as well as the board of supervisors in yes or no and that of course is not miss gray's problem or fault.

a little bit as to whether or not this nomination does meet the eligibility criteria. i note that everything that you said with regard to your

professional experience around -- objects through butterfields is sounds true and construct to me. it was the larger questions of historic communication. i asked questions on friday exit don't go become in those but -- i wanted to at a high level understand what you understanding is -- and so i was going to ask you a hundredful of questions. upon around -- the criteria that for treatment of historic properties and specific lowmented to ask if you being eliseidate what the register of criteria evaluating historic significance are.

at this moment i condition. why there is a wide variety of historic resource types structures objects and historic districts. that can be listed on the national register of historic accomplices. the california register of historical resources and our city's article 10 and 11 can you tell us about the difference between those? article 10 with local land americas and article 11 deals with conversation districts. i would say that had i am evaluating historic interiors and the w that i have done with exteriors and are built environment regarding -- things you find on the outside.

such as release skullors, murals and monuments. when we assess things like that we go through a similar criteria that we do when we work with objects and cultural art facts like materials is it marble or brick or significant. we look at rarity of furthermore. is there a decorative facade or glass work. of course we look at age. we look at is had a specific maker. an enabling's hahn revolve in the the design. is it historically significant doo due to a figure, family or history u action that happened in that location. and finally we look at integrity does theed work resemble the way had it was created? any comments on -- the difference between the federal,

state and local inventoryys you poke to articles 10 and 11. why i am familiar at a high level with articles 10 and 11. i make it a purpose. to not opine on topics that i don't feel i have completely done my home work on. this is in the something i have daily experience with. and so i do the nowant to make an opinion unless it is an educated one on my part. thank you. why i appreciate your candor. >> there are other questions i could ask i will yield my time. back to you mr. chair and i reserve some final comments after we hear from the public. here is -- supervisor safai. >> i have one question it sounds like a lot of your experiences on the built furthermore on the

interior. buildings and historic artifacts. and -- do you know how offer the historic preservation commission than i are asked to we in on the interior buildings voirs us exterior. >> i think this five to 10% of our historic lan marks have intear yors where they are landmarked also. i remember it was supervisor peskin or amiano made a motion to preserve a theatre in the mission. was this you supervisor peskin? >> i think this was tom. >> i remember that happening once and in my time in this building i was curious to know if you had any. it does in the happen often but you know it is -- not just interior it is is also very irrelevant van with objects and

things like mourls and feet have been crucial. we worked preserve and promote entire interior space. fully paneled oak rooms like the one we are in today. we have worked to remove those save those and move those to museum fist they are not lan marks. i guess that is irrelevant van now the castro thor there is a big debate regards to the seats and use of this. how would you prospect that topic.

the seats are not historic. i understand that the use case may have historic purpose in terms of people sitting for a sing languages and other things this have gone on for many years the seats themselves i support the decision this those are not historic. >> thank you. seeing no other comments among my colleague open up to public comment. mr. clerk. why members of the public who wish to listening remote call

415-655-0001 then press pound and pounds again. once connected press star 3 to enter the line. for those in the queue wait until the system indicated you have been un muted then begin your comment. enhance architectural and cultural resources and identity to advocate for this which makes san francisco beautiful, unique a loved home and international destination. you are considering a new xhrg.

the commission needs to act with authority and conviction in deliberations. it needs to keep safe with the public. >> we don't often talk about good governors but never i greater need than now. it requires this each commissionering appreciates. understands the standards that are used. has a depth of knowledge about history and historical context the questions of law ifkdzs were developed ensure that bodies such as the h pc abide by highest standards. make tough calls and act with conviction. as you know, it is your responsibility to ensure that each commissioner personifies

the letter and the spirit of questions of law ifkdzs including technical expertise. subject matter authority. experience and standing in the respective folds. as a matter of good governors san francisco heritage support commissioners when mote the professional qualification standards. however, we cannot support the nomination of the candidate before you today. as always know fran her continualing supports endeavours and continuingor partnership with the stele >> spoeshg thank you. >> can we have our okay. one moment. no further parties in the recommend move to our telephone commenters.

>> good morning supervisors i'm richard johns i'm and have the left 12 years occupied the state historian on historic preservation commission. the vicktory why gray hen appointed. i want to be clear that i am here today speaking on behalf of moiz and not the historic preservation commission. i think that there is absolutely no question that -- victoria gray is well qualified to occupy the seat of being history yen and she gave, i thought an impressive history of her accomplishments upon which the qualityification is based. i have found that the commission

has been called upon to not only preserve exeter yors but intear yors, interiors don't come as often but when they do they are extreme low important. and the commission has irrelevant assisted bistaff in a confident way. if not had the expertise on the commission itself. which miss gray would provide t. is important that she was born and raised in san francisco. i say that because although it is in the a qualification from the seat. it is tremendous low important when evaluating comments this people both in favor of and in

opposition to projects. and -- >> time elapsed. >> thank you for your comments. can we have our next public commenter? involving pers often at lagger heads.

i recommend you approve vicktory why's confirmation. thank you. next caller, please. i'm francisco decosta i represent the first people of san francisco. and i endorse this candidate. she is with you foiled for the job. we must remember this we need somebody on the historic preservation commission to look deep into the indigenous people. we must remember that the board of supervisors and the stele and

county of san francisco, does in the have an inventory of land mark buildings in san francisco. so the audacity of somebody to challenge a candidate is fully qualityified. the thing to know what they are doing and [inaudible]. under historic preservation commission. i work for the department of interior, and i understand the various landmark and other historic issues. and i endorse victoria gray.

>> thank you. just checking that was our last commenter on this matter. why thank you, mr. clerk. like to recognize supervisor safai. >> thank you. i want to take a moment of -- public ment is now closed. >> supervisor safai >> thank you, mr. chair i want to take a moment to say hello to the st. vincent du paul school in the recommend. can they stand up and be recognized. stand up! [applause] thank you, mr. chair. thank you, mr. clerk. thank you, studentses from the school. i wanted to say i appreciate ms. grill and her wellingness to

serve on the important commission and i want to thank you for taking time to meet with me and you know we talked about you know i do appreciate as a supervisor who representatives district 6. we have intear yors notable including the approximatelyace hotel and garden court. i do appreciate there is importance land marks that are interiors which you have expertise now is not on the commission >> i do i acknowledge reasonable mindses can disagree on things. i do want to give credit where credit is do you to my colleague president peskin for his leadership in 2008 in creating the historic preservation commission. it serving the city well. and i will i do appreciate and his thoughts on making sure we have a collaborative environment on which -- appointments are

made. i do want to with that, rescue noise my colleague president peskin. >> thank you. chair dorsey. let me say a couple of things. one is -- prit and apart from collaborations with the executive and legislationive branches equally or more important is collaboration with the appointing authority and the voice of the preservation community. which we heard from today. >> san francisco architectural heritage as they were called heritage as they are now called; a well respected voice for historic preservation cultural preservation. in san francisco, dates become now getting on to half a century and predates.

the board of supervisors and they had a similar role in crafting prop j that created the historic preservation commission. and i say to this board and to our mayor that they should be consulted. they should be collaborated with this board should 39 them. i want to get in the details of why i believe, all be it a line call that the enemy neil does not actually meet the secretary of interior standards. before i get that i want to say

for the referred that the appointment letter is not a reappointment. this is an appointment it says a reappointment but it is in the. i wanted it say that for the record. and then one other -- issue around interiors, which it is the law is that -- we cannot use our police powers to landmark an interior in the city and county of san francisco. less it is generally has been a public facility. so -- for instance we cannot landmark interior of individual residents. we can land mark of say a movie thor. that or the as you said chair dorsey, the garden court at approximatelyace hotel it hen accessible to the public.

so few interiors are land marked. actually in a city that it is one of the oldest on the western seaboard of the united states the city has very few lan marks about 300. total. and very few in all quite small historic districts. but interiors don't play a big role. now i will delve into qualifications the minimum qualification is a graduated degree in history or close low related field. we are clear that we don't meet that. alternateively, it is a bachelor's degree in history or close low related field in this case art history. >> that's closely related field. and -- one of the following. at least 2 years of full time

experience in research, writing, teaching and interpretation or other were demonstratable professional activity with an academic institution, historical organization or agency museum or other professional institution. or substantial contributions to research and publication to the body of scholar low knowledge in the field of history. so it is really the latter 2 that we would have to evaluate and again. not clear cut but i would argue that the candidate does in the meet either of those 2 following required criteria namely an option house is not a professional institution in the context of history and second low after reand while the individual written esas, they don't rise to the level of a

substantial consideration through research and publications to the body of scholarly engine in the field of history. for those reasons that the individual does not meet the secretary of standards for history approximate would respectful low suggest this committee forward this item to the full board with a recommendation of reject. >> thank you. and thank you mr. president gray. i think -- you would be well seated for the at large positions on the commission but not this one which is irrelevant envisioned to be an acdemification who meets the secretary of interior standards for history. why thank you. president peskin. >> seeing mow further comment or questions. >> i'm sorry. i did in the put my name on.

can you supervisor peskin can you speak more to that or do we have someone here from historic preservation this can speak to the seat the individual is enemy nayed to fill? >> i understands seat 4 historian. and -- yea. it is set forth in 4 opinion 135 of the charter. i med that up y. 4.135. why that's right. why clear states that said seat meets the secretary of interior standards for history, which i lid out, which is either a graduate degree. >> i have the questions of law lawifications in me. the seat with intent is designed be someone who's profession historian. seems to be would be someone

having acdem and i can professional work in that field. i feel a bit conflicted i appreciate miss gray coming out i can tell based on the work he has done she has done a lot of work with historic artifact and objects and understands the intent and machine a former chair of this commission i what i do is look for individuals that might rise to the occasion in terms of the appointment this they are about to seek. than i might not be the most experiences and supervisor peskin is right. we could pick academics and could pick people with significant, extensive experience for a role or pick someone this might have minimal qualifications but those are grounded in the intent of when we are trying to do. i feel a bit conflict body this.

i don't double and question mr. gray's experience. i think it would add to the conversation but i also -- understand hasupervisor peskin is saying. we have snougzs in the city we work with and look to for add voice and one is the historic preservation community. i feel conbe conflicted. but wanted to say that for the record. thank you. >> thank you supervisor safai. seeing no further questions or comments. i'm inclineed support this. and arizona such i will move to amend the motion to strike the term reject on page one low and then and sends this to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> mr. clerk. can i get a roll call

>> on the motion to amend to delete reject can in the legislation and recommended to the board on that motion. >> mr. chair, i think in this instance what might be a better move just for your consideration, and you can stick with your recommendation or not. seem there is is know opportunity to have further conversation. might be better to sends it without recommendation and let the full board look. i understand the motion has been made. so -- >> deputy city attorney. for mayoral appointments they can for consideration and this mittee sends them either with recommendation of approve or reject. that's why it was to amend. why we don't have the authority on the nominations i forgot it has been awhile. >> we don't have the opportunity to say without approved, reject

or -- that's correct. >> make its tougher. >> thank you. supervisor safai. why on this motion, supervisor safai. >> i guess i will say we can make this final decision at the board. the board will decide then. >> i will say, no. >> sorry >> vice chair walten. >> aye. >> chair dorsey. >> aye. >> the motion passes. with supervisor sa fidissenting in committee. >> thank you, split vote item 2 gallon to the board approximate

a positive recommendation. mr. clerk, will you call item 5. >> item 5 the motion continuing remote participation by board of supervisors at meetings of board for reasons relateded covid-19 and continuing remote comment by members at meetings of board and committees. except as required to enable people with disabilities to participate. seeing no colleagues, there are folks here to peek to this. mr. clerk, open public comment. >> members who wish to speak approximate joining person line up to speak. for those remote call 415-655-0001, access code: 2495 608 1333##.

once connected you need to press star 3 to enter the lineful for those in the queue wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted that will be your queue to begin your public comment. >> our first commenter. >> i'm [inaudible] i'm with senior and disability action and a district 6 residence den. public access to community decision making is a crucial point of oversight. it ensures decisions made with commune participationch often missing are seniors and people with disabilities. 100 community organizations want san francisco to keep the remote public comment option.

many ecstasy around the bay area and the country are offering remote comment boy deponent vo. oakland, san jose, detroit and wish washington, d.c. is san francisco going to fall behind. going to send the message it is okay and right wing [inaudible]. [speaking too fast]. >> good afternoon. i'm alisa. i urge you to keep remote access to meeting in this chamber and in other commissions. with all the issues facing san francisco, i finds it minds boggling this remote access issue has been a focus. seniors, disabled peopleful parent and working people in san

francisco, will find it impossible to make voices heard. why i taught in the san francisco school district for 50 years. teachers have limited time for civic engagement. now i have the time but without remote access i will find the barriers to participation daunting. i urge you to continue remote access and on a side note. i hope you got my lacy valentines in the mail. thank you. i'm [inaudible] romero with senior and disability action as a housing organizationer. many low income and black and

people of color live far if city hall making it heard to have voices heard. remote participation had be allowed for all rather then and there a reason accommendation requiring people to identify as disabled and ask ahead of time as a barrier that is less like low for people to participate. nondisabled people have reasons to participate remotely. increased engagement should be celebrated rather than prevented. i hope that you vote to keep remote access available to all. thank you. >> good morning. i'm [inaudible] i'm with senior and disability action. and i'm here so may be you guys can look at [inaudible] this is me. in and i wanted to actual

something. friday i was doing almost okay. i thought. but if i made it to ask for [inaudible] for the meeting i would not -- be tiebl call or do anything. i have asthma. and you know what i can't schedule my asthma. my crisis had it happen it happen. i cannot accommodate that. i condition also know prevent like yea, i will call in and say. hey i need accommodations because i might have this or that. and -- i think that you know i know you guys care about the community otherwise you would not be here; right ? and so -- i wanted to ask to you please keep remote participation because the only way that we can secure that is equalable for everybody. and i wanted to say like i want

to thank supervisor safai for all his work with the keeping the units in [inaudible] open for you know disabilities. this is why we need you supporting this. it will be equal for everybody the way you fought to keep, you know those units open. we need open for people with disabilities thank you for those of you this already supporting this. thank you. >> good morning. i'm peter, district 8 residents

with senior and statement action and 100 plus organizations signod to protect remote comment for all without bear scombrers dozens this spoke at the previous hearing on this topic. i want to emphasize i'm truly sympathetic with the hours committed by you all as supervisors and by the many public servances behind the scenes. and really grateful for your work. today i'm here to ask you to continue to firm low lead on the commitments and ensure we preserve the gains we made in access to the department of for many whop for mir idea of reasons have difficulty of attending city hall meeting in personful department of technology found a way to offer public ment not involve funding or staffing. let's pursue that and make our city hall more open to our city's people. thank you.

>> in further in person. >> my apologies, one more. >> good morning supervisors. jessica with senior and disability action. thank you for really taking the time to consider this issue. as a disabled person there are a thousand reasons it can be heard it come in person may be my atendsant islet to get me out of bed or the elevator is out or heel chair may short circuit in the sxrin covid is here i'm risking my helling and people i care about in coming in personful disabled people are set aside. we have a separate process. we need to be seen and said equal low and that means keeping public comment open for sxefrn not asking people to set themselves aside with reason accommendation process.

we have parents and teachers who are responsible for kids. people working 2 jobs with no time off to in to city hall. youth in the bayview who don't have time to get here on the bus with delays. these other most marginalized people. people need hear from. and a meeting will run along long it is occasional a meeting runs very long. price we pay near department for a city where we talk about encouraging people to have thoiss heard. we want to hear from people. police vote for unlirmented public comment. thank you.

we have our first caller? >> good morning chair and community members. for glide and a district 8 residents organization is in opposition to the motion. discongress remote public comment except for people with disability will be an obstack nel democracy. like marginalization and [inaudible] of constituents. remote comment made possible to participate for the first time and should be allowed for all rather than the accommendation. look at ways to [inaudible] remove bear dwroers access. working people, parents people with compromised health all have reasons that make it doyle come

to city hall in the weekday work schedules and transportation challenges. childcare responsibilities and covid-19. it is difficult for them to dmaul to public comments but impossible for in to in in personful impacted by criminal system and intimidateed poke in person when law enforcement are present. works with survivors of domestic violence. during when we need to increase connections and trust in gentleman ending public comment will widen the divide. eliminating to participate in government would shut down the voice of those unable to participate in person at city hall. we request and, no, vote on this motion. thank you. >> thank you. next caller

>> good morning. i'm in open government advocate and i sent e mails of my concern. chair dorsey. i really worry about this bill. you heard from jessica of disability action about segregation here. i think until you have a plan how this sensing will work and how this who qualifies for a disabilitied and who didn't and had qualify you might want to shelf this. i think that you know there is this thing i'm, i have asberger's sindz roam. [inaudible] i think this motion is on the road to hell.

with a lot of quality paving. i did read that you have additional time limited remote comments from members of the public not requesting accommodation in i thank you might be a better fix. go with that and say everybody listen we will have 30 minutes for remote comment. i think this it is more equal for the out come you seek. i thank you for public service and in case [inaudible] thank you for your courage of fighting gun violence. thanks. next speaker, please. >> hi this is patrish why retired teacher city college. there is a strategy stench of hypocrisy about this issue. during the pandemic, we closed roads allows remote access.

you voted to keep all these roads closed. but now you want to take away remote access. from the people when pay your salaries. there is abuse i suggest you go after the abusers of the remote access. don't take away the voice of the people. you have a 12% approval rating the last time it has been categoried. this will further e rose the respect the voters have for you. this policy will hurt the most vulnerable people that live in the southwest and southeast sections the people in knob hill. the yours elite high income people can get to your chambers not the people in the southeast or the southwest.

it is to far and difficult. uber is expensive. and it is just irrelevant bad policy and -- i recommend strongly that you allow the voice of the people to continue with remote access. thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> am >> good morning. this is [inaudible]. can you hear me? >> i did not. hello. >> we do hear you please proceed. [no audio] you can proceed. >> okay. he dropped off the line we will get him back had he calls back

in. can we have the next caller? fithe next caller. >> you are. >> [inaudible] i'm a juniorist, film maker and tenant activist. this measure is the most disheartning one i come before the board of supervisor in my 40 years of live nothing san francisco. you must continue full public phone access to all meetings in every gentlemanal body in san francisco. please. don't make yourself more hypocrites then and there some think you already are. i had more trouble roaching my representatives in government the last 3 years than ever

before. this it is an attempt to cut off public access to gentleman and you must reject it. you must keep all public access to telephone service and -- open to everyone. don't set special conscience. you have an obligation to serve the people of san francisco. and that's had i we all expect to you do. there are threats that if you don't go ahead and stop this measure, we go to the ballot box to do it ourselves. >> good luck. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hi. am i'm speaking for jowlia gorski unable to phone in she had a medical appointment. judi lives in the far southwest

part of san francisco the outer sunset and writes. sporadic and unsafe transportation options getting to city hall would necessitate driving my car and paying unaffordable parking fees whether i degree or bus it would be at least an hour each way. on my block at the edge of town on the west side, there are 8-10 seniors with various health continues who would not be able to participate if denied remote access. allow remote access to all government meetings to continue. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please.

hello? >> we hear you. >> we didn't have a hearing on this. and a lot of people called in. and i don't think so we have to beg y'all to do the right thing. a segment of our population especially most in wheel chairs and those who have mobility problems. can express want to express using the telephone. so i don't think so need to be will told again and again, that -- the voice of the people is important.

dot right thing. thank you. >> thank you. can we have our next caller? >> good morning, david pilpel. i spoke on this 3 weeks ago the last time it was at this committee. to sum rise an update my comments i think there are existing way in law, policy and practice to limit public comment had necessary. i think that this motion is unnecessary at this time. i machine torthe situation and revisit it as needed. not heard enough about the resources needed to continue conducting hybrid meetings at the board of supervisors. i understood well was a presentation if the city add administrator's office it is posted on the wieks we have not

seen that presentation before the committee yet. and in any event i would continue this item to the call of the chair here in committee. i would not forward this to the full board with or without recommendation. and i'm available to discuss this issue at any time. thank you very much for listening. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> yes, hello this is pete warfields head library user's association. library users to have [inaudible] and po box 1 upon 705. san francisco, california. >> i agree very much with every prior speaker. please, reject this measure and

enable public comment to be made remotely as you are now by phone or other means but especially by phones which everybody has access to more than computers. as member who cares about library and services especially in san francisco. i got information often that little known or unknown and which i have presented to the sproirz in public comment. on a number of occasions of the across of doing so in person is very much higher than can be than is possible. including other work and other related work and finding out things. doing research. attending meetings and so on. >> one of the things that is terrific about having broader

public comment we can all in san francisco and elsewhere, hear and understands when else is concerned and interested in the issues or position. and that's the neighbor of a public meeting. that's what one of the things that is a benefit of being able to hear had everybody thinkings. you might consider to improve public access starting in the evening as the east bay at 7 p.m. combu in this case reject this measure. thank you very much. >> thank you. next caller. >> hi. good afternoon or good morning, supervisors. president peskin thank you for having me. and having me speak upon this issue. this issue is important for machine like me who has 6

children across san francisco they go to school. i'm due in court, work, extracurriculars and pulling out from under the rug my rights and my sustainment of being allowed to be [inaudible] to being heard. with how our supervisors got [inaudible]. please don't circumvent the partial please don't circumvent our right. please, hear us and hear that we need to be in the rooms on the lines. and i understand that it and deliberatelyly make extra work but that got you in the positions. so i would like to stands firm on that. and know you are being watched by other [inaudible]. us as disabled people and

seniors and working clasdz and indigenous and people of color and people that want our voices heard in our upon communities. you are not going to make decisions for us we will aiding you in that voice we need to be heard from. thank you and appreciate your time. thank you. >> will i'm calling to oppose the legislation. because tell [inaudible] communities not able to make it in the room. as we visit the city we [inaudible] claim for justice and e equality and shareit@cbsaustin.com bear scombrers we are asking you to stands with us [inaudible] it it is hard to believe your word

will lead to action today. >> please know that by e eliminating remote public comment you erase the voices of bipoc communities. seniors and people living with disabilities. other commissions and boards are keeping remote comments by phone and virtual and extending the need for asl interpretation. in san francisco you are seeing that the accommodations are not for those hor privileged enough to make it in the chamber its is within our rights to participate in civic opportunities. reconsider this policy change and keep remote public comments an option for those who need, deserve and depends it. thank you. of >> thank you. >> good morning, proirzs and

president. i'm bill, i'm a chair of local homeless board. important this it is not go alegality of people this need to come to the loam in order board meeting and unhoused people with bags of stuff they bring cannot get in the city hall. and since covid we have places in the tenderloin people come come listen to the meeting and finds out had is going on with their life. the reason why this motion is going because the public comment can get long. i have been in city hall until 2 in the morning several years ago i know well can be a hundred callers. if there are a hundred callers this is an issue we need to deal with. go through the metal detector for unhoused speem intimidating. members of where you are board

have had trouble getting through the metal detector. think about my folks trying to get through. we say wore are tech center of the world. some people said there were articles in the chronicle that the people that call in are just people this are bore exclude have nothing to do. i call in frequently as you know i'm not bored and run the organizations i don't have nothing to do. need to lynch to everyone in the city. put this in the garbage can where it belongs. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hello i'm lisa a district 3 resident and senior community organizer china town community development center. work heard in order it provide for their family.

than i can't take time off when most of the meetings are held but can call until and spoke for a couple minutes. remote comment provides for families to fate in board of supervisor hearing, meetings and public comments. please keep remote public comment options ensure that people can share experiences, insight and knowledge on how transportation, health, racial equity and he other issues this affects them directly. thank you. >> good day. supervisors i'm anatasia district 8 senior. supervisor mandelman proposed legislation to restrict public men to in person public comment would stifle the voices of the public and is therefore unfir and undemocratic. i'm opposed to limitation of remote public access to meetings

of the board and the committee or to any meetings of other san francisco governmental commission committees including the busied the supervisors serve on. the pandemic brought us suffering and brought ino vision that improved democratic process. i'm a senior. san francisco resident in my mid 70s and now heard for mow to in to city hall to deliver my public comment. i appreciate the 8 to call in to the board of supervisors and commissions to give public comment. let's preserve and expand participation for seniors, people with disabilities, working people issue parents everyone. we now know that remote participation is possible. every meeting must continue to have the option. and requiring the disabled to public low declare their disability to testify remote is rep henceable and should not be

codified in city policy. >> i'm asking you not to limit public comment to those physically present in the board and commission chambers or call attention to disabled people of thank you. >> good morning. i'm will you evera mall with senior and disability actions. like everyone else i'm opposed machine man's measure to limit or end remote public comment. this will hurt disabled people, seniors, parents and people neighborhoodses in city hall. working people and the vast majority of san franciscans. face so many burdens on our lives just to get health care, to finds work. get accommodations and benefits. and adding another one to participate in city government

is appalling. you in i'm home with a miupon grin and unable to look at screens for a few minutes at a time if i got an acologyidation to call in i would not have been able to do it. there are many people with disabilities and health conditions that don't have a doctor's note that are not able to go to an extra hoop and honestly, even people who are not disabled have a right to participate in meetings remote. spoken about the reasons why people are not able to get to city hall and i hope you listened to our communities and the people who are asking to you keep unlimited remote public comment temperature is in the just a thing for government to have it is our civil rights and we are still in a pan dem and i can people are dying of covid every day and unwilling to risk going in a crowded set with no mask.

thank you. >> thank you. our next caller. >> good rooven, supervisors george [inaudible] coalition for san francisco neighborhoodses. i want to thank all the, speakers for their wise and [inaudible] i hope you 39 what they are saying. i also am in a wheel chair. and -- for the 2 minutes it would take mow to talk to you it mitake me 3-4 hours to get from d7 over half the traffic to get toior facility. so -- i have to either take paratransit which is not working very well for me.

or i have to take uber. many times the uber will come and up say, oh , you are in i wheel chair i can't take you. >> and leave me. the worse part would be when i in to testify if your meeting goes too long i have to go back down and leave your meeting so paratransit will pick me up. so for all these reason its is good you keep your ability for others to listen in the citizenry to listen in. it is called good government and should be something that mandelman should know about since he over sees paratransit throughout sfmtc.

thank you very much. bye-bye. >> next speaker, please. hole i'm art gray panther board member. rowels members vote, no on this proposal to discondition remote public comment. san francisco can benefit from the feedback you get we should optimize that. sf residents can't apore in person at the board of prierz in meetings or finds it doyle do so should in the have few are rights than other who is are more afluents and privileged or well connected with providing ideas and feed become to the city government perform san francisco should not have limits to keep you accountable to the public. the pandemic gifrn insights and this case a wonderful civic

opportunity to improve access to lead and allow our government opportunity to be more open and responsive to the broadest spectrum of individuals and constituentys in san francisco. remote access came oust pan dem and i can should be preserved. you and the board of supervisors should act in the interests of the public at large. should in the allow well connected insiders to compounds advantage over everyone to face circumstances or limit the ability to come to city hall. you should not give in press to spend less time listen topping the public it may be time conis your job to listen to view in san francisco. ship not make it harder for the public. for those who are less privileged. don't reduce public, counselability. stand up for democracy and public interests and the best

san francisco vote no to discontinue public comment. thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good morning rules members. [inaudible] people power mania [inaudible]. 40 organizations throughout san francisco. it is critical the rules committee reject the attempt to limit public comment. perave broader attempt to limit public participation stream lining of electric develop the eliminates the opportunity for munts to leverage voice for greater affordable housing and development. the efforts limit democracy, silence the public on wha most damage to low income communities of color. [inaudible]. not in our communities. as you have been hearing from callers take place during hours and most impacted by the

decisions you make are working. if they have time they take a break to participate that break does not include travel to city xhul become to work. i work in the city hall as an aid. public comment is the most important time for legislators and commissions to learn what the real impacts are on the communities we care about. the decisions we make, accessibility is an essential part of democracy and essential for racial and social equity. thank you. can we have our next caller? >> good morning, supervisors beverly. i was humanored speak a few weeks ago how remote access will [inaudible] cross the city. tell give them a safe place and i way to have a voice in city g.

and a way to talk about their experience and raise san francisco awareness. this week i want to disclose that i tested positive for covid for the first time last tuesday. and this remote access is needed do my job this week. i want to thank you for keeping san francisco acceptable and city hall accessible and allowing us to have our voice and for me, i appreciate doing my job remotely this week. i hope you dot right thing. take care, supervisors. thank you. next speaker, please. >> hello. [inaudible] [muffled] [inaudible].

weep can't all make appointments [inaudible].

remember we care and want you to care, too. don't get rid of it, thank you >> good morning, supervisors. i'm richard knee. a free lance journalist, active with a number of organizations that advertise for government transparency and freedom of expression. those organizations include the society of professional journalists. the first amendment coalition. california aware. san franciscans for sunshine and the pacific media worker's guild

local cw a local 3 nine knife 21. because of care giving responsibilities i cannot be away from home for over long time stretches which is why i'm addressing you now by phone rather than in person. it is safe to say i'm not u nobodying in that stance. there are many people with healing or mobility issues. or with family, work or other responsibilities that similarly dictate they speak remote low to the city's policy making bodies. please, keep this important option open to us. however well intended the proposal to this discontinue remote public comment might be it [inaudible] the [inaudible]. i repeat it clouts the principle

of participate ory democracy. >> thank you. >> next caller. >> good morning, prierz this is is debbie with the san francisco human services network opposing this. the sunshine ordinance allows the board to lim the time allocated for public testimony and individual speakers. so there is no troen adopt legislation with hard limit. we hope this discretion will be used wisely and not used to limit speech on controversial issues or make comments so short that people can't express the reasoning and recommendations on legislation. your decision affect the board but other public commissions and boards. i want to note there are many

bodies not on sfgov.org. the past 3 years required credit a mechanism for public access and remote connection and comment. removal will put those bodies behind closed doors for anyone not able it attends inspect person you in we know we have sunshine and transparency at low cost through internet access, we urge you to require public accessibility for all public bodies. another point suspect this remote comment allows unanimous comment by people this may have reason to be fearful of attending and identifying themselves public low. and lastly -- we have cold flu and covid.

i help we learned about encouraging people to stay home. vote, no today. thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> hi. i'm a native and i'm proud lynch to everyone call nothing study to advocate we have access to public comment it is disturbing tell us a representative tell us they want to limit public comment buzz they don't have enough resources or pitting different types against each other based on our abilities. any supervisor who does that is not serving in the best interests of all of san francisco. makes me sad to hear they want to use official reason or the state that we talk too long. if you don't like when we are

saying resign. we don't need you to advocate for us. i understand that the comments might be long i like listen to san franciscans regardless of had our pregnancy are. this is our home. this is very unfortunate that today this is when you are spending time on when we need to talk about homeless access to housing. and discussing the betterment of our neighborhoods. and to find out that a supervisor thinks that our comments are too long is very disturbing. >> i will reles my time to the rest of the other san franciscans and i'm proud of you all today for standing up for us. thank you. next speaker, please. >> yes. bradford shaw i noticed that

administrator the presentation today and the file indicates that (ation was created today. it says [inaudible] implement ending remote public comment. we should table this motion until the city administrator will evaluation is completed. additional low supervisor safai putting retirees board of trustee [inaudible]. that the city wide economic recovery working groupments to

acert revitalizing the downtown core and civic center area. the a terrible troen discontinue taking remote public comment. also, the legislation as written on page 3 says that we still have to require -- remote reasonable accommendation within ape 72 hour period. clearly, this legislation needs an amendment to certain that to our requirement. to act. and reasonable accommendation to call in. you should table this motion. today and when it gets to the board of supervisors, you should all reject it.

i suspended public participation for 5 years proviedzing home care for my mother. technology allows public participation. essential remote access continue and not be suppress being public participation. further i recommend that this measure be rejected. thank you. on behalf of 30,000 members i

encourage you to vote knoche you nofell in san francisco has boards still needing remote to [inaudible]. the proposal is inpromote. i don't think it was mandelman's intent to credit a double standards people with disabilities, working people and transit access like myself. those would be the consequences. please, vote, no. thank you. i want to echo a lot of the statements already made about keeping remote public comments. i want to say i think this thing is complete waste of time ironic i think the main reasons for this was to save timism say this

because how many times does the 8 hour plus public comment happen a year. 6 or 7 times. it cements like the length of meetings are the same and spending time on a policy that [inaudible]. after remote comment we saw meetings and public comments being 30% longer. i would say have you a point. i [inaudible]. discussion about amendments. i think a proposal will come out is limiting the time of public meant i'm not totally against but this happens not that many times a year. people showing up for cannabis meeting and affordable housing. this is like a solution that is not trying to solve anything. something that happens a few times a year. please, do not support this policy. thank you.

in it is sue hester. my perspective is first from the person who attended, let of meetings at city hall and now i'm home watching on line. board of supervisors committee staff has been well trained. that is in the the case for other commissions. i would ask the board of supervisors to insist on training. giving training to how you conduct hearings and solicit comments to other commissions. because they are hit and miss. some are good and some are bad. the bad ones really is long meetings because of people fumble across online, one of the

things asked all the time. i'm disabled and i'm senior citizen. and i lit irrelevant used to come to city hall every week in [inaudible]. but i would encourage the board of supervisors to give clerk of the board of supervisors to give training to other commission secretaries because it really is a hit or miss. i one of the things that you see now, you see the room. sfgovtv does not enable people that are watching to see the room. and you have to have the pb to do call in's. thank you very much. in >> thank you comprehend we have our next caller? this is tesla in district 5. please continue phone access for all meeting its hen a

[inaudible] to all kindses of people. so many people were unable to attends because of working hour and now we finds out how many others have been pushed out of the public process. but during this covid emergency we found ways to accommodate and need to expand not limit them. also i was pointing out this is a legislation based on anecdote and if you are doing to make a rule about something like this you need 6 months of data showing the length of public meetings and comment. not just some type of here say or an example or 2. yes, there are ways to accommodate our comments but and yes we can meet with the supervisors and sends letters but you know when we want to hear and see the discussion that

guess on at the board. we want to hear the reports. it is person we have this access. thank you. next speaker, please. good morning. my name is karen. um -- i lived in san francisco for about 55 years now. and -- all of that time i have been in district 5. i don't usually ask to speak unless i have something new to add. i don't have anything new to add

today but i think there has been incredible toed for thought that has been presented to you about not just one or 2 groups of people who would have voices lost or remote participation but -- different groups who are your voters. here in the communities. i hope you have been listening. i hope you have -- also had your imagination stip litted by some of which you heard today and you will go away and think about this. hopeful low you will have to. that was our last phone caller. i believe we have some

additional in person commenter this is have not spoke yet. >> we have people here >> line up to peek. if you have not like to make public comment. we are closing remote comment. >> remote public comment is closed. >> we have gone through all the callers. >> remote public comment is closed. >> remote. >> but sir you can you are welcome to speak. >> okay. so, guys. i realliment to you understands something about this remote. these people are seeing you. you gotta remember you work for them. if you want to get the face on television to see how smart you are this is the way i would not know wha who you were if not for this and you don't want me in

your office every day whining and crying. this is the best way and you know, also, san francisco's the pulse of the world. you should know that. it irrelevant is. and these voice you are hearing, they other blood. you other pulse you need to get used to hearing these people because i will start making a ruckus soon. you will hear a lot about. our city is about to go through crepe. and you know this because it is dirty bomb thing with the ridiation stuff. you sdroept a clue hathat is. somebody dropped a dirty bomb in san francisco a nuclear dirty bomb called ships. that they tore up and grind and burnt of and recycled the metal you know how much plutonium is

in the city. the voices other people you need to lynch to. they are kroi to you they are hurting you hear them. you hear it in their voices. that's where i heard. 7 or 8 people. brought to tierce. and i know i was. a couple times talking to you. series guy its is getting bad. i spent 10 days on the streets looking. >> your time lapsed. >> thank you. >> >> hello. thank you. i'm belinda a tenant organizer in the tenderloin. at one of the sro holingses. the for us to be able to get

access to the meetings you have is very important and for mow to introduce it. i'm new myself it is person for us to be able to understand and be involved. please, keep it open. chair dorsey we had 2 callers jump on the line. would it be okay if we open up for those 2. >> thanks >> the next caller. >> good morning. technical stuff i don't know what. my name is evelyn. i'm a senior and person with this multiple sclerosis unpredictable i'm speaking on behalf all san franciscans. the 72 hour request for a reason accommendation as the agenda

notes, to virtually attends public meeting to the meeting this morning, i and most people listening would not be here as i learned about it only late friday afternoon. so i would nohave made the 3 day prior to the meeting comment. much made of the cost. staff time involved. think of the staff and cost involved with screening all the requests for accommendation. the requirements [inaudible]. upon only been made at the gun point of ad a otherwise no one would be granted remote access. today, i would not be able to be there. without it. the idea that remote access cancel side terrifying. it opened participation for

democracy such as never before there is no going badge open remote comment allowed mow to be involved in civic affairs as never beforeen the ethic's commission spoken to this point. essential low eliminating it would sever access to civic engagement let's not close the door on democracy. thank you. next caller, please. hi. i'm [inaudible] calling if san francisco rising. obviously from today's clear that remote public comment is an important way for people to participate in local democracy. that will i'm calling to urge to you keep remote comment. our [inaudible] representative working class people of color in san francisco and marginalized people don't always have the time to give public comment. alegality of working class

people and people of color work multiple jobs. many of those are not remote they cannot work from home or come in person to city hall. folks are taking care of children and can't afford childcare or taking care of loved 1s and in person is in the real irrelevantic. calling on you to ashesllow for our community to continue to be engaged by allowing them to make public comment remote. approximate thank you very much. we have our last caller as the next call and close public comment. >> hello i'm alice active member of senior and city action an organization many seniors and disabled of san francisco. i support the many public comments that are urging

continuing remote public testimony. at this meeting and the earlier middle easting on the issue. and -- it is also important to note that few people have testified in favor of the policy. to preliminary upon public participation. being able to give remote public testimony is crucial to hear each other. and have an town for me and the public [inaudible]. people can you know supervisors can not read written comments. and you have to hear had we say. people should not be barred from public participation because of work schedule or responsibilities not able to risk covid at the mask optional hearings. not want to risk covid or other reasons so many speakers

testified to. you can read research in the february 15th 2022. article is one way masking. and see [inaudible]. >> that concludes public comment

>> thank you. public comment is closed. >> and -- assistant city administrator jennifer johnson is here and has a presentation around the, of public comment. >> thank you, chair dorse and he supervisors. jennifer johnson deputy administrator i have sophie hayward the director of legislative and public affairs for office who is doing the slides. thank you to sophie. >> so last week city add administrator which you issued guidelines for city policy bodies in veterans for full return of in person meetings by city boles bodies beginning march first. guidelines apply to 130 or so more than that city policy bodies don't apply to the board of supervisors or subcommittees.

this is for city policy bodies. additionally, we distributed a number resource materials and information, documents for the assistance and technical assistance and information from the mayor's office on dablt and ad a requirements and information from language access requirements. et cetera. we wanted make sure they were resourced moving in the next phase of the return of in person meetings. so remote participation is yes or no low must be ashllowed a reasonable modification. for members of public unable to provide public comment in person due to a disability under thea, da. we are clear in the guide lines the administrative code requires modification provided quickly, easy lye and with minimum burden to the person with the

disability. advising a wide margin of latitude given to individuals who are requesting access for remote participation due to disability. it means that we advise our city policy body should accommodate requests up to the day of the meeting if possible. so that we are able to accommodate rate requests. in addition to that we are advising policy bodies to set up meeting in hybrid format by default on enable to accommodate if the late requests. that will continue. however, additional low, it is in the required by state or local public meeting laws we add vises policy bodies to provide additional time limited remote public comment for members of public not requesting an accommendation under the ad a.

so this additional time limit allowance intebldzed facilitate civic participation and considering the administrative and staffing challenges which are many that are associated with supporting the meetings. >> some exceptions to the guide lines again remote comments for ad a requests cannot be time limited. so it is we are advising they accept all public comment from the members of the public as a modification for a disability and then open up for general remote public participation public comment. and that second portion be time limited in balancing the interests. the other exception is city policy bodies holding hearings regarding an appeal not impos a time limit on remote public

comment allowance. city policy bodies are required to determine how much additional time limited public comment than i will allow. and then notice and meeting agenda are to rivered include this information including dead lines individuals meet before in order to request to be able to participate remotely and city policy busied add sunriseed give consistent time for each item as they determine it. i will say that the city will reevaluate the implementation of guidance including staffing or administrative challenge and make amendments as necessary. wills the board considers their guiding resolution on the matter we will work with the board to help aline and improve processes and policies. me today is nicole bobble the

directors of major's office on disability will who can answer question with ad a requirements. i have jack gin the manager of sfgovtv assist in providing information to the technical requirements limitations and possibly insight on the staffing challenges component of it. >> thank you. >> mrs. johnson. i don't know if anybody do colleagues have questions? i don't. i have thoughts on it? >> i -- thank you. >> of course. >> i adopt to just to the larger issues discuss and reminds folks that even if we were to adopt this motion as written, this it is in the the end all be all of hapublic ment is in our city government or a democracy. the right to petition one's government for redress of public grievances is a right under our

institution and the first amendment. reflect in the our state constitution and the city charter goes back to mag nacarta. there are a multitude of ways san franciscans and others can and do regular low petition us. i take public comment regular low and i assume my colleagues do at the market and the coffee shop. and read my e mail and social media. made me not every waking moment but many of them and i continuing is important to remember that there is a limitation. people my clothes and i do take calls and texts and read on social media and e mill i encourage everyone to not see what happens here during a meeting as the end all of that. second, i say that how we manage public meeting system an obligation we owe to all those we serve. including those who minot chose to take part in democracy.

but they are also people we represent. some of them pay taxes not all. we have to be mindsful that we have to have a building staffed and opened and make sure sfgovtv is working. we have an equal duty of representation to everybody including people who don'ts participate in our democracy. and i said the last meeting of courses employers here f. there were only about the 11 of us as supervisors we when we signed up for the reality is there are sheriffs and deputy city attorneys and staff and there is, let that goes into this i think we need to be sensitive to. a third pointip want to be sensitive that -- there are some people who may have a disability and may not want to identify. as having one. i'm hiv period the fact i'm open does not mean everyone is. and there men a situation that a

2 tiered system that we would make accommodations for people under circumstances because of health continuous under the ad a may be uncomfortable and may not be something that is the right thing to do. and fourth i want to peek to the concern this is the proposed motion as written, which seeks to address circumstances in which the instruments of our democracy can sometimes be misused or abused overweaponized orancy democratic purposes. i will say this is not as many folks know i spent most of my career in this building. i have seen public comment ohhed to make a meeting go on long. i watched a couple years ago the police commission meeting was you know occupied for mull pull

8 hours on until 3 in the morning. this was something hawhat i thought about the that time was -- this is taking a toll on the people kwo we want to volunteer to be commissioners. if they are looking at something i gota be at work and i don't know i can do this. i think it is hurting our ability to have a particular had systems are the instruments of democracy are abused for vexatious purposes it is antidemocratic. having said this, i think the only thing worse for the government to act to restrict those. instruments. to prove in a rare and possible abuseen though i know it is rare. it happens. understandses that -- this not

hypothetical it happen specialsan mating the motion. hai will do is make move to many the motion to preserve the status quo. regarding public comment boy ato continue not only as an accommendation for people not solely as accommendation for disabilities but allow remote participation for those who cannot get to city hall irrespective of a disability they may have. moving forward this requires an amendment to the rules of order. the amendments i will introduce will express the board's intention to amend the rowels and make clear that remote comment will be allowed for all commenters pending adoption of changes to the rules of order. i'd like to recognize vice chair walten. >> thank you chair dorse and he thank everyone who came out to peek on behalf of this item and

everyone who did call in. i want to start off by say willing is no such fleefl completely e eliminates remote comment. that is a misrep 7ification for sure. i would never stand by any plan to eliminate completely remote public comment. i want everyone to have a royce and an opportunity for public comment and i want to make 100% sure we provide accommodations for people with disabilities, seniors and anyone who may have difficulty showing up for comment in person. and that's what the original motion that is before us intended to do. i believe that abuses have existed from people outside of san francisco. outside of the state of california. or even outside of the country. these amendments proposed boy supervisor dorsey do nothing to e eliminate those abuses i

cannot support them. and i will condition to work to ensure remote public comment is an option. but i can't support this amendment. >> thank you and supervisor safai. >> thank you i want to say thank you for everyone for manage out today and for those this called in. there are some saying why are we education special time with this conversation. i think this is part of the democratic process this is important to have and understand and get feedback. and as supervisor dorsey said. to think that our job is limited to this room is a complete under statement. in many ways. i can be at a birthday apartment i can be the a church or christening i can be walking down the street and in line at the market. and i will consistent low be stopped. that's part of my job and i

enjoy that about my job but will be consistent low stopped and asked to have a minute so i can be told what someone believes on an item. so. remote public comment is an person part of an evolution of democracy and i agree with supervisor walten that it is a misrep 7ation to think well is a conversation about completely e literal all together we are concerned about accomodating folks that need accommendation. i will not be supporting the amendments today. but believe the right thing to do is to send the original item out of committee without recommendation and continue the conversation appreciate the feedback from the city administrator's office and the w that they have done along with our clerk. but believe that there is still needs to be more refinement around this conversation.

thank you. >> thank you. supervisor safai. i spells we can take a motion on the floor to adopt amendments but i just wander in light of the likelihood i can ask the procedurally deputy city attorney should we act on the motion this will be the motion was like low to fail. i think you have the option of with druing the motion or the vote called on the motion. >> i will with draw the motion. and i >> what i will do then is -- make a motion to sends this to the full board without recommendation. >> do you disclose time

[inaudible] >> with draw i'm with drawing the motion to preserve the status quo. and sends this existing megz as written to the full board without recommendation. >> as a committee report or not? >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> okay. the motion is first matter to the board without recommendation razz a committee report. for tomorrow's board of supervisor's meeting. >> on that motion, supervisor safai. >> aye. >> vice chair walten. >> aye >> chair dorsey. >> aye. >> the motion passes without objection. thank you. mr. clerk. umly to the board. and now mr. clerk call item 4.

>> ordinance amends the code particular regulation code required by prop c adopt it as the november 8, 2022 election related to homelessness oversight commission and related city bodies. >> thank you. supervisor safai. >> thank you, mr. chair. as you recall last week we approved the ordinance that prop c required to stand up oversight homeless commission and continued it today we are introducing ma'ams that are not required by prop c but also about good government. these amendments will help the city secure federal fund and stream line the bodies that report. the amendment it is clarify which staff the commission and verse committees and clone up reporting requirements. and so -- since they were substantive they had to be continued to today's board hearing. they have been distributed and

we have emlow cohen from department of homeless supportive housing if she wanted say a couple worrieds to update. if not i think she had a lot on record but might be helpful if you wanted to give a couple more word busy the -- >> thank you. chair special supervisors. want to note that hsh worked with supervisor safai's office to feel draft amendments that impact the scoping work of 3 advisory body this is currently exist the local board. shelter monitor and the shelter grievance advisory committee to ensure they report it up to the commission and apointed by the commission to credit oversight structure for the upon department both to improve public access to the oversight and elect greater clarity to

ensure the work of the committees were included in the annual report and you know contemplayed and stream line staffing on the part of the department. we appreciate the committee consideration and the leadership of supervisor safai on this. thank you. why thank you. i say that there was some of the push back if any from the public were why are we creating another over site body and how would it help this is when we intended do which was take the bodies and bring them under the umbrella of the commission. long with the functions and staff functions and that has been written in this piece of legislation. so the entire intent was to really and truly target the work but also have it be a body that was really vehicle the pieces under one umbrella. thank you for the work on that.

and feel this is a final good step. not final piece there will be more legislation that come forward we are working on. we thank you is the right move in the direction after they spoke. i hope i will have your support, colleagues. >> thank you. supervisor safai. seeing no other comment i would just commend supervisor safai for his leadership on this not just at the committee but general low throughout the process. and with that, clerk can we open public comment? >> members of the public had wish to speak and joining person should line up to speak at this time. for those lynching remote call 415-655-0001, access code: 2495 608 1333##.

>> can we have our first in person commenter? >> hi. good morning. or afternoon. jefferfer. [inaudible]. thank you supervisor safai and the committee for your work on this. i think tell be know person step forward. i am here to talk about one piece of this that we take exception to. this is around moving the shelter monitor committee staff from the department of public healing over to the homeless department. we want them to remain in the department of public health if creates more independence that would not occur if moved to the homeless departmentful shelter morton was developed ever a

survey and found abuse that was occurring in shelters. a lot of #things. we realize thered was in the a standard in the country for shelters. san pran was the first. the standards include vehicle a pillow, blanket and toilet paper. used to be newspaper and no water to wash hand and you slope inches from member else's mouth on a mat on the floor. standards were important from a healing perspective and dignity and he safety perspective. most of the work followingum on complaint system done by the shelter monitor staff this is important work that has to remain independent we have gotten reports out of committee. it did not create the

independent government documents. that could then be used to fight for changes in the shelter system. we don't believe that level of independence this level of initiative that previously occurred in the committee would take accomplice if the staff is under hsh which is the [inaudible] thank you. belinda dons a member of the shelter machine torcommittee and previous beneficiary of a shelter. i think to keep the the staff under the d. public health. is i good idea when i go in a shelter to do inspection or followom a commravenlt the people are not they are leary of you and but not as loris they would be if staff fell under

hsh. if it could remain under department of public healing i think this would be great. thank you. >> good afternoon now. thank you i'm melanie. i'm seat 10 on the shelter monitor committee. and also more personal low i went in the shelter system because i was getting housing and i am an exhomeless drug addict from san francisco and 4 years of clone time and the committee has been a wonderful venue for mow to serve on. i'm in agreement with everyone who spoke that to be under hsh would be a conflict of interest. we have members that work on hsh. so -- i see that as a conflict and we have a good rep with d

ph. i think we should stay if not broke don't fix temperature i have been in the shelter system, i seen the nuances and the the things the committee worked heard to implement. it is a humin and kinds respectful place because of the work the monitor committee has done in the past. before i was on the committee. thank you very much. >> good afternoon supervisor walton and dorse and he safai. i'm dan and a staffer for the shelter monitor committee i'm reading on behalf of our chair unable to make temperature if it is okay i like to read a statement from our chair.

a represent if shelter committee was not considered or offered chair when discussions were held to move it to hsh. i oppose this move well is a conflict of interest for staff to investigate complains from consumers of the shelter system and w for the same system. shelter agreement community and the monitor community are 2 different committees that should not be compared in the discussion. it is is hope my hope that the decision to new shelter monitor committee to be reevaluated and rescinded. thank you for your time. gentlemen. i spent last 6 days at the

sanctuary shelter. do you hear my voice. this is from this sheller. i did not come in there like this. they don't have hot showers. i he to tell you this. they don't have hot showers there at all. this young led is coming here tomorrow. show will see this. you guys had ask her. tomorrow. did than i have hot showers in there are in had the showers. the guy in there are stoneod this fentanyl than i don't care. there are people hor handicap or mentally challenged not on drugs we are homeless. that need hot showers and good food they have good food butt dpuft in that 100 year old build suggest destroying. a guy came in after me he is going through the same thing. i'm coughing. you would in the believeip don't have a fever. i took a covid test.

i took it myself. it is the building is sick. those people are willing to come are you? i swear if you came and locked for yourself you will go, wow. no way this is happening. now fiwas a supervisor, honest low i would be out there all the time. you are about to see mow out there all the time because -- i don't think you really realize this but people in the city are starting to care and getting pissed. and starting to worry about their children. i think you should be worried about their children also. buzz i see aien rigz now that we have to wroit off or put away miles an hour. of the we are talking about a lot of people. irrelevant serious baby sitting we can write them off, which is

wrong >> sfeek time e lapsed oh , or do the right thing. i know this is my second kauchlt day. i'm not bored this is something i need to speak on. manage i need to speak o. i have been an attentive and during my 18 years of homelessness i know about the shelter and shared the chairs of the homeless board and -- so -- what i want it say is i don't believe i know the department it is a well run excellent department. running as fast as we can run. as far as i know. i don't believe there will be

retaliation against the commission if they worked on hsh. if you can come pair to this . if you board of supervisors hired mow to be the oversight of the board of proirzs and gave most a paycheck i would back [inaudible] of the things i want to say. you gota put it in that light. [inaudible]. i don't think not being a fair employer but our members. i got calls from the shelter commission about this i believe this deep in my heart that shelter in my commission stay the intrigz of the d. public health. tell be much [inaudible] and get more legitimate assessment if we keep it like it is. one call are says the fox can't runt hen house. old statement that is the jest of where we are. you cannot keep your own

oversight committee. nobody can do that. thank you. i'm chris a homeless advocate and vice chair of the shelter machine torcommittee i want to echo haothers said there would be a [inaudible] in bhs and hsh would provide administrative staffing to the shelter committee. it is unnecessary change androus the effectiveness of our committee hurting the credibility of staff who are [inaudible] and seen boy unhoused friends. i think staff are a way maintaining the checks approximate balance.

that was our left commenter. >> thank you. mr. clerk and public comment is closed. >> supervisor safai. why thank you. for a mobile home i wanted bring emily back up to speak on an item. biwould say, again, this it is not 3ing dispurgzs at anyone the gentlemen that spoke was talking about existing conscience under existing monitoring. in this moment. and ghaen is not saying anyone is in the doing their job. what i think we are trying to do

with this is bring everything under one house, under one area. does not mean there will in the be cowherd nigz or d ph will in the have i role if there are violations imposed upon. i understand but what i think can happen is we can you know you have my commitment that we -- can look at if it needs to be the stronger -- additions to the code. we can strengthen the standards that is something i'm committed to working on with folks. i want to give deputy director cohen an opportunity to peek on this. and then i can -- i want to say a couple things before we make a motion about the actual over site body itself. we keep referring to that. throughout chair. i want it thank all the

commenters who poke on this the shelter committee is a critical park of ensure the standards of care are upheld in the shelter and the mittee independence is important. the shelter monitor committee will be an inspect body. it will under the principle would receive staffing support some hsh but the appointed members would dot w they do to elevate concerns about shelter conditions and to make recommendation and this way thinked go through the commission. which would be a more powerful voice to ensure that the experiences are issues are responded to. and in terms of staffing, you know hsh -- staffs the oversight staffing the over sight of the commission. hsh staffs the oversight of the local homeless board. and hsh

staffs the oversight of the shelter grievance advisory committee if we are impartner there is no reason to think we would stymie the work of the personal body. we -- have a respect for we know the importance of the w they do. i wanted to -- say that hear the concerns around d ph will have a seat on the committee. and acstoesz environmental healing and oversight from d ph would not be stopped boy this proposal. >> thank you. gi would add again and part of the reason why we put prop c on the ballot and create third degree oversight commission is to give voice to and a forum for meant different bodies not just to be urn one umbrella shelter monitor members have a foreand

up put on the public record if there are problems. shelter grievance and local homeless board. our city our home all of them not just the board of supervisors now a fully fledged public body this will bring sun shoin on the issue this is is an important point and part of the reason why you know -- we fought hard to put prospect c on the bell on the and 68% of voters agreed. birch make my motion i see supervisor walton? vice chair walton >> thank you, chair dorsey. i want to make a brief comment. one, i respect the pregnancy of the coalition for homelessness typically weer the same page. i want to say the city bureaucracy it is slow enough

and making the commission and the department and the work more nimble will be helpful. for all of us when we are try to do our job to make sure that we can get folks off the street and provide proper housing. our jobs and the job of thing xhiz will be to make sure search accountable under this one commission and one city department. i do truly feel keeping d ph in this portion of the work of housing people in supporting the unhoused will be a step back. d ph is too big and this work modes to happen swift low and nimble. you have a commission now to get answers from to get responses from this will be responsible for oversight of the department. and i trowel believe this is hat commission's work is for and we will be here to make sure that the work happened appropriately.

supervisor safai. >> thank you. can we have a board.

>> thank you. and can i make a motion to sends this to the full board with positive recommendation >> motion is on the floor >> i like to see it as a committee report >> as requested as a committee report yam as would like it as a committee report, please. >> okay the motion is to rmdz the merit to the full board. as a committee report. >> supervisor safai. >> aye. >> supervisor vice chair walton yoochl aye >> chair dorse. >> aye. >> the motion pass without objection >> on a unanimous vote item 4 go

to the board as a report with positive recommendation. mr. clerk is there further business? >> that completeings the agenda. >> thank you. >> we are adjourned. (music). >> i started the o was with a

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