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present. >> commissioner dickerson presents. >> commissioner huie yes, sir. and commissioner ortiz-cartagena and commissioner zouzounis present. >> we have quorum. >> thank you. >> small business commission and staff acknowledges we are on the unseat hotline for the original peninsula as stewards and in accordance with the tradition the ramification has in the forgotten the responsibilities as a caregiver of this party and as well as for all people to bid no our traditionally material we benefit from this and working on a traditional land and wish to pay our recently for the

relatives and by their rights people. >> >> 2. approval of legacy business registry applications and resolutions (discussion and action item) presenting have welcome richard. thank you very much. >> good afternoon commissioner huie and commissioner zouzounis members of the public i'm richard the program manager and like to acknowledge any co-help with the processing of the legacy business registry and sfgovtv have a power point presentation. >> before you are four applications fewer consideration for the (lunch break) it a staff report a draft resolution and the application itself and documents from the

planning department. >> the applications were submitted to planning on february 15th and by the historic preservation commission on march 15th. item two a bernie's pet shoppe, inc. a dog grooming service was founded by the family and bernie's pet shoppe, inc. known as city dog served over 6 thousand canines and promotes the best interest of the chair mack without sacrificeing quality. additionally the business is a advocate and currently the canine other than owners and bernie's pet shoppe, inc. taylor appointments to the dogs needs and care for a dog in a safe manner and people are meeting

you and the pickups the core traditions was maintained to be in legacy business registry and castro village wine co the business is a small boutique specially in the california wines. castro was founded in 1980 and later on for the lgbt that had been designated by the 1978 commission of harvey have i milk and lgbt resident for building was a symbol and the castro village wine country is all styles and ranging from

blockbuster to existing planned for offering new upcoming within markers. the business provides inclusive and welcoming for anyone interested in within. and the core feature tradition is maintained as wine. guerra quality meats llc the business is a retail buncher shop founded in 1954 and when growth and quality meets the family run butcher shops over time most of community butcher shops aspired as supermarkets and big stores and guerra quality meats llc survived and 1980s say was a full deli and crushed produce and milk and eggs and within and

a variety of items exported this a one-stop shop and designation for customers to avoid long lines or uncomfortable offenders of groceries online and the current owner is a third generation in partnerships with employees and core features tradition must be a butcher shop. >> mendels / far out fabrics. the business is is also a third be generation business and founded in 1958 mendels / far out fabrics is a one-stop shop for crafting art and knitting and fable and other supplies in the heart of hate ashby and part supplies was called pink and

linoleum and that the store was popular with paints and others arts a trend that continues to this day and the core feature of this must be art and supplies and craft store. a fun note commitment winner of heritage legacy business registry in august 2022. and people voted on which business in hate ash and mendels / far out fabrics has assistants to a number of businesses bdrss businesses and a strong partner in growth.

>> all 4 businesses met the criteria for the legacy business registry and all 4 have a positive recommendations from the historic preservation commission and staff recommendations adding this to the regulatory and a motion for support. thank you and that concludes my presentation. i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> there are business represents in the room and potentially online would like to speak phenomenon above the applicant. >> any questions? commissioners? >> open up for public comment. >> people want to form a line to come up for public comment we'd like to hear from them.

>> thank you for being here. thushd i'm or thank you for all you do i'm a long term employee but privileged at the saw fit to ask they to have the responsibility of being a managing partner at the business we've been around for 70 years and one of the retired partners that i do everything i can to keep the business going and far past my due date i'm 50 but want to say should you chose to include this on small business would be a testament to the effort by men and women that are

no longer with us who kept not only sound this small store in the sunset but gave their lives to it that's all i have to say. thank you. >> the short and good afternoon. i'm the third generation owner of mendels / far out fabrics and when i thought about what we're doing here today two moments that i thought were relevant i've been in the business for thirty years and 20 years of that worked side by side with my out she passed away in 2013 i took over the responds and, yes i'm running an art store by building on the foundation that my grandparents

and my aunt really worked hard that's what i'm doing the other important thing is more recently coming out of pandemic and out of lock down and everything limited all the customers have been incredible and come out of wood work and concerned that we mcdot might have to close they did everything they could to make sure we had money come a long ways to the registers and what is important it really is a partnership i can work hard to maintain the business and have it there for them but it is the community didn't come out didn't matter how hard we small businesses work not regarded we're through there the community the community support if we we support them back the

other thing is my unto had a house on 12 avenue and so i think very fitting we should be here today so thank you for the opportunity and the acknowledgement. >> any other speakers? >> hello commissioners non-complying a christen and i've she has been an active member and for many years and solid rock foundation and of the community supporting other merchant on the street and especially through the pandemic. and putting up resources on the website and connecting with people in our community helping them keep their doors open i want to say that mendels / far

out fabrics is important to the community in many ways and few ever been on haight street seen mendels / far out fabrics in the that i would of corridor would be the things if you get a chance in october see how crazy and existed people are to shop at mendels / far out fabrics and pick out fab and have a selection so, anyway a lot to see at mendels / far out fabrics but visit them on haight street. thank you. >> thank you for taking the time to evaluate all your small businesses we are the core of san francisco and together we rely on the small businesses but

the heart and soul of san francisco we are the heart and soul of the community and we couldn't have done it without the people i'm privileged to have done business in for three 4 years and i love what i do and i um, am fortunate to work longhand's some team programs like the academy and the mayors programs and my goal not primarily to - but to see young people view day to day people that love what they do and my staff and move included love what we do and willing to pass that love to them. and it is the

live of the first several jobs that creates the foundation for you to find your own passion and that's what my business has been be able to filter through and many i wanted to say thank you for doing what you do and it will mean a great deal to my team and family to be part of legacy business registry in san francisco. >> would anyone else in the room like to comment. >> no commenters at this time. >> okay. >> public comment is closed.

so commissioners any comments? >> commissioner herbert. >> i want to thank you all for coming out and we're small business owners we understand the daily hard work and mentoring that goes into running a business for so long and appreciate you guys each of you and your eloquent and giving us your insight perspective on things thank you so much we appreciate what you bring to the city so thank you. >> commissioner dickerson. >> yes. hello there we go. >> outcome thank you, thank

you, thank you. for all the work you do um, and as commissioners said we are small business owners and for an approval for small business we looking at you like what you do what you do an amazing challenge to hear about small businesses and hear a new complerngsz i 100 percent agree that san francisco is the heart and soul wouldn't have done it without you an amazing city for the small businesses community so i said to - take my hat off to say bernie's pet shoppe, inc. a castro village wine co and no

and mendels / far out fabrics thank you. i pray continuing the small businesses will continue to do business. >> thank you. >> commissioner zouzounis if you and thanks for everybody who coming out came out to speak about our business and gave us the honor of our presence on a work today. you all spoke great to how our small businesses are incubators institutions in their own right with creating leaders i come if a family business and happened to be in there the other weeks ago with the last minute barbecue materials and let me in and the last customer i felt compelled to tell them my

grandfather was a butcher and 2 the familiar bond that make the city so i love the solidist and looking forward to voting today. >> commissioners. >> i um, just want to show i guess. thank you very much. i don't know how to pronunciation you credibly i hear it i hear the interpreters the neighborhood and - but everyone shops there and you've provide my family with so many meals and generous how to prepare i don't cook much and you guys are like

so nice about that and (laughter) so kind not judging but have no idea what i'm doing but. thank you very much for that [off mic.] >> well, i can appreciate you, you know, for today as well as all the legacy business registry that i think your all all the city really so i appreciate you keeping our doors open and welcoming the neighborhood people from all over the world to visitor this is what makes san francisco special. thank you very much. and, you know, one

other thing that i also realized it is not often you get time leave our business probably most of the time you're there so, you know, i have thought you spent time sharing three moment with our family and, you know, should be proud of yourselves i a ration will i take the time liked actually accomplishing something to take on a gist for the third generation for years and, you know, any amount of time so thank you thank you, very much. thank you for all you do and at this time anyone like to make a motion for a resolution to adopt all. >> i make a motion so adopt them all

(laughter). >> motion to approve the applications by commissioner dickerson and seconded by economy commissioner carter. >> commissioner carter, aye. >> commissioner dickerson, yes. >> commissioner herbert, yes. >> commissioner huie, yes. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena, yes. >> commissioner zouzounis, yes. >> motion passes. congratulations. >> wow. >> (clapping) yeah. >> congratulations.

>> hang on one second.

>> >> 3. san francisco reinvestment working group update on public banking (discussion item) the commission will hear updates on the draft san francisco public bank and municipal financial corporation christin evans, san francisco reinvestment working group.. collin to back up the department. >> i apologize so - >> well, thank you very much christen and thank you for coming today.

>> yeah. my pleasure we came to the commission some of you will remember last year to tell you we're start light work the creation of plans to create municipal financial corporation very interesting time to talk about banking but i'll make the case to even makes that more critical we really think about christin evans, san francisco reinvestment working group. a public banks as part of the stable options for insuring economic violate xhoilt vielt so today an update on we have done and how we got here and our timeline go forward and commissioner will check in with you and why i think and colleagues will be walk you through certain i know both the plans are long if you tried to

venture over 50 pages and sections you might want to focus on and provide feedback on. >> okay. >> so why san francisco notes a public bank a fundamental need for city-owned bank for traditional financial institutions to serve the low income communities a community of color not damaging the community and so we have been talking about um, creating a public bank in san francisco since like a long time going back to dr. can testify to that there have been a number of efforts over the years to think about to as a city relationship

to banking institutions and to think about how we might create to our own. more recent history done remember david chiu 857 ab 857 passed in 2019 allows the municipalities to create other banks so we are um, one of many, many municipalities gamed in this work so set the foundation in place for creating such an institution. um, the reinvestment working group was created through a unanimous ordinance that passed in july of 2021 and that created our group under the code the local agency commission which ever county has

ev so our lafco has brought up (coughing) excuse me - >> i need a little bit of water (coughing) . sorry tickle in my throat. next slide, please. (clearing throat). >> so today, i'm actually handing off and i did current chair in the small business seat with the members and three community seats addresses experts and recommended the controller and the treasurer we are working with the consulting firm and with findley you hear

us mention them in developing the plans. so they why don't you take over thanks. >> thank you, commissioners.. uncle so the ordinance that created the working group required the working group to do two things develop a business and government plan for the public bank. and the develop a business and governance bank mfc just basically can accept deposits the main difference between a bank and ordinance they accept deposits so 0 mfc will do give out loans but not accept deposits. and um, so this is what um, the plans i'm going

to present to have about some a few of our milestone starting meeting last april and one of the consultants completed did outreach for the community with a lot of businesses and um, nonprofits in san francisco. and last month february we released a draft plan and we are soliciting feedback until march 31st and our plan to have all the folks for mfc and the san francisco public bank aid board of supervisors at the end of may. >> and so a lot of the folks were asked for their feedback. during the community outreach we asked them what are missing in

the san francisco public bank when it comes to affordable housing and small businesses investment and green energy financing we talked to a lot of folks from there one of the consultants with worked with the working group put it together and they built on that work to develop a specific loan title that we think san francisco benefits from and so there are um, like i said the mfc first and the san francisco public bank second the working group is making plans for two of them they are similar mfc starts the work with the public bank will expand to accept deposits i'll be describing both the governance structure of lending for captation for the mfc and

san francisco public bank and note as you talking about earlier the planned are expensive so i'm not going to all the details but difference within mfc and the san francisco public bank the main one is deposits and - but any questions? you have about those issues feel free to ask. okay. so um, first we're going to talk about the governance and mfc and san francisco public bank prioritize the aspirational values of san francisco and control and accountability and transparency. but the mfc and san francisco public bank will have similar principle because what we said to do is create mfc run for three to 5 years and build a track record. and so it makes sense for them to have the

same mission and same principles with we're looking at is one of the potential um, governance models for a public bank what you'll see the top as always the san francisco voters so the board of supervisors and the mayor and then under the mayor and board of supervisors will be something called a bank oversight christmas that oversees the board of directors will be tasked with running the daily operations the difference for the modeled is move this this down a little bit to save on operating costs and with three to 5 years once we are ready to go transition to a public bank and have the full governance model. one note there is one of the 4 governance 0 model that the working group is um, looking at today. and the working groups goal to make sure

that the - the governance model they select will insure transparency and anti corruption in their work this is a procures we want to determine contrast control for this institution. they met with the san francisco residents and small businesses and nonprofits. and essentially what we found there is actually and typo on that the affordable housing development need in san francisco this says $400 million that is no longer correct that is 1.2 or 1.2 to $5.4 million a

year to meet the affordable housing and in the presentation from last late last year this is linked in the report itself you but additionally, we found out that small businesses are unsupported by traditional banks and several bank closures since covid 19 not coping small businesses from working with um, their local bank and lastly, um, another priority area for san francisco is green energy financing and the right report for the department of environment shows you we need anywhere between i think the lower estimate something around $20 billion or one $.3 billion a year by 2040 to meet the green

energy goals one thing i'll say about policies in the different programs their interrelated small businesses need somewhere for their employees to live and small businesses needs the city to support them and where cooperate banks are 235i8d them and all things are enter regulated and effect this commission and the members i won't go through every single product as spoken and the members are recommended. there are quite a few and i would welcome the commissioners to go through those and really give us our something like this and experience so we can make the plans as actionable when we prepared to the board of

supervisors. and i'll say about loans it might seem like another process for the city to start a san francisco public bank but the city issues millions of dollars in loans for san francisco and last year. and some of our resources one of them being o e w d so while the mfc doesn't seek so represent that good work and solve the programs we want is to get the information about those loans but all in one place to provide transparency to the residents of san francisco where the public funds are invested and second point about all the loans another public will not compete

with the credit unions instead will work with the oerjsz to implement those. finally capitalizing the public bank what that means a fancy word capitalizing the initial funding the bank receives from invests this is the city of san francisco to start the process so this is different from funding funding is something it is after you start a public bank or mfc that is that will be in the form of a loan for example, for the city of san francisco, california loan a public bank and gets that money back. so the working group has discussed a variety of sources and appropriation from the general fund and general pool local tax

revenue and sourcing and one specific federal funds i'll get into in a second. so i'm talking about both the public bank and mfc and going back and forth to qualify this is the models we're proposing for the mfc that is one only issue loans can't accept deposits so sorry the initiative cap. >> it is $20 million to capitalize mfc with that $20 million as you'll see will has a positive income on year three that means self-sustaining to continue its work with the $20 million in three years and so historically why $20 million

we asked consultants was the lowest we can work with and the businesses the models they presented us to show us the l shape a policy choice how much we invest with the mfc and started are $20 million that is 19 point between the more we start with the quicker we have a turn around of profit so we also them to model $40 million and blah if we start with $40 million and with additional one hundred million dollars or additionally and how much more quickly we can turn a profit and help residents of san francisco without relying on the corporate

and will continue on april 20th and may 18th last thing about a source of funding the inflation reduction act that passed recently include a green space funding that is $27 billion to be issued by the protection agency lie san francisco to specifically address the issue of green financing how you need money to turn the city green and so san francisco would be much better position to accept this funding if it had an mfc so specifically end up with the step one could accept funding from the mfc undertake green

energy initiatives so last thing i'll leave with you with $20 million can turn a profit of three years to help the residents of san francisco and authorize an opportunity for funding from the federal government. thank you. >> sorry. >> one more thing thing. >> on the last slides timeline to march 31st and this is the end of 24 week the deadline for feedback the first round of feedback and as one we're aiming for a final draft and in a public hearing document and then our goal to look for september to plan to lafco and the board of supervisors and are tart in

june so and as i mentioned welcome to take our feedback today but as you're going through and thinking about that we provided you with an e-mail draft so you can e-mail feedback to the working group members. >> and here for questions if you have any questions for us. >> thank you. >> um, commissioners any questions? >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> thank you. >> oh, i thought that was from before. >> commissioner herbert thank you, for you presentation. >> so you mention the current climatic change the banning crises; right? and so within silicon bank they got in trouble

with the bonds and the bonds were reduced in value i guess my question for you will be what kind of investments does the mfc make? where do we get their initial money is it all from the government to the city? >> you know. >> we're going to kind of talk about apples and oranges someone else valley bank is a depository bank we're not talking about 2340is have depositors but the money will come from the city of san francisco we actually have before our group a list of potential sources and as callers mentioned we're not required to identify the source but if we can identify the source that makes the plan more robust. >> so the bank i'm asking basic. >> absolutely so the bank will make generator income. >> uh-huh. >> by making investments.

>> before making loans. >> and the interest. >> correct so the way that the banks becomes self-sustaining in three years is president's announcements. through participatory lending and i'll give it a shot and caller correct me so the idea likes if the city works with the organization like main street launch to make loans to new entrepreneurs so launch the businesses today; right? this created the bank which is providing money capital to the main street launch to free up more money for them to lend to entrepreneurs and small businesses initial like a banker bank a bank to bank by local credit unions and institutions

this had the customer relationship. >> and the interest rates. >> (multiple voices). >> how did that affect the ability to lend money to people that, you know, may not be able to for the record to generate the money. >> you know, we looked at other public banking models it is unique thing right now in california public banks are all over the world; right? and one really well known public bank the bank of north dakota and one year hundred bank working with the financial institutions to make loans to community institutions but helps to support local businesses and other projects in the state. so

one of the interesting things happened in the pandemic i don't know if you remember i have those banking with wells fargo and all of a sudden oh, crap wells fargo stop lending for the first round but the bank of north dakota had the highest curve capital amount of lending twice as much as california did because they have the infrastructure in place to put the money through the public bank to get it the community institutions work with the local businesses in the first round north dakota benefited from physically twice as much money in the first round than california the idea to eventually provide that stability a bank has a purpose of investing isn't community and not necessarily like, you know,

borrow money that the city has now can be put into banks that are going overseas or into any project today; right? anywhere in the world to focus the money locally and the projects we're talking about unmet needs businesses affordable housing projects that out and return money with a reasonable interest rate the idea not to like try to compete with the institutions but look at the areas they are expanding credit like community of colors and housing units that visible for the committee and not as attractive factories

building widgets. >> how did i do. >> excellent (laughter). >> so the only thing i'll add that i don't know if you - in the have the power point. >> yeah right there so commissioners traditionally banks providing a loan of $1 million or 50 thousand the amount of investment and work on that not the actual money invested but the work they had to do, you know, if you applied for 50 thousand loan and the paperwork the same as one million dollars so for them they're a lot of banking business they don't find to be worth their time that is small businesses that is the idea one of the most asked for this how we the community outreach when the most was that the second one

that is provide add 50 and one hundred thousand dollars that is one of the most banks don't offer this is several not worth their time this is market that san francisco the mfc and public banks will soak to fill and like christen said partnering with the mfc and the credit outdoors to work with the clients they have and give them the funding to do the loans that happens all over we want to focus on in san francisco; right? not just some south market for sale but invest in the small businesses and that we know will succeed. >> thank you. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> thank you. >> somewhat answering the

questions will it be like credit unions. >> it is a public bank will most likely do but anyone else is doing the for example, no checking this for example, doesn't which are you for overdraft if anyone else it offering that but anyone else is doing it have a partner with. so i don't know that was - >> no, no, i love to listen to the presentation the first one here the national reality of advisors people don't like touching that but you're not really able to work in no man's land euro not with a mainstream bank i appreciate that so that was a good question you answered live and work with people where they work with programs and

creativity with cdbg and i understand one of the questions like when will you start; right? >> (laughter.) >> but like the kilter know you're leaving it up to the partners and done the work but like how do you set tune well weaver with core value. >> absolutely and like the report the first portion is entirely focused around the failure of cooperate boong with the communities of color in san francisco what we want to actually like you said boots on the ground doing work as credit ounces if they tyler working with their partners with a

product that is met they get to come to a san francisco public bingo and prop an idea; right? but those guys have the right has to meeting racial equity standards and then accountability and transparency. and so kind of to answer your question san francisco public bank is more than a crowd control so we'll be able to see like the members of the public in san francisco people what you're investing in and with businesses and small businesses that, you know, san francisco cares about that will be public and going on for years before a bank crash. so sorry all the time the point to invest and give do banking in a way not - you can make a profit and work with the communities of color a

how this need so, yeah the banks mission and public rights all that is offered. >> commissioner zouzounis thank you for the presentation. >> so much to talk about our commissioner is a strong ali to the development we have data just from the office that can bolster who starts a small business and who needing the technical assistance and survey data has of those easier to craft definitely help gear towards the real needs. and in addition, i think my biggest

concern on um, the question of what potential direct products and what is you call participation lending. i'm looking at kind of our breakdown of the amount of distribution and that looks like affordable housing and green energy and small business 50 percent to the small business commission i had some xrerngs with the landscape when my initial concerns with participating with the existing financial institutions is nonprofit developers existing partnerships; right? is they all have limits reach um, where they spanned and a pretty competitive streetscape or the

micro enterprise institutions where they are with different models you would attractive attract to and there is a gap not mentioned that gap is small businesses being aware of funding landscape that exist and participatory in f that. a lot of the c mfc with the previous is on for public snushgsz i've not sown that but create a volunteer board of people of color with small businesses and lending to women and but nobody is employed from those communities nobody but a lack

of representation from the profit a gate keeping to those communities that have kind of participatory society. they're still being served we're not breaking the server dichotomy that is with the public bank giving the small businesses that first up and running that first hand approach to economic development so i'd like to understand how, you know, wasn't we're expecting in that type of partnership with the mfc are they doing the outreach i know for a fact their client base is limited and wouldn't trust that

economic so same with the nonprofits developers i think a lot of exciting racial equity audits how the developers are fudging they're buying properties non-stop how we make sure that did money we're giving them is going directly back to um, you know, the small businesses tenants, you know, what not and not just growing a budget don't have to have a well balance for a nonprofit; right? that's my big concern that is how we just not put money into if they have a lot of equity needs yeah. >> that's terrific feedback and may i respond briefly. >> yes. >> in the focus groups institutions and they flag they're gaps and reach to us. so

that was actually in the report as a recommendation. >> uh-huh. >> it institution can help with that kind of outreach and use the data and connecting; right? (clearing throat) the the other thing is i'd like to say (clearing throat) the ideas about starting with a mfc had a highway participation in leading up we can donate that profitability quickly and we can apply for the public bank status with the regulators fastest to dome the obvious to allow up the lessons performing to do that and so the shift over time of the institutional created and track record which more direct over time.

>> if that makes sense. >> one of the main things that came out of technical assistance optimums the community outreach process was the need for technically assistance to navigate the city loan exclaim basking have to be a expert in city government and what is do. the point where some of the city i believe you're mevengs month of their time just like helping people like handhold walking from where you are to where you need tobacco and the right office and department. and a single place to go more information we're not here to take the funding away from the department but the point need to be a single place for all the

information and anyhow and o e works together d loan for example, that is one of the recommendations sent to the working group and for the budget to go about that to help small businesses and affordable housing folks people in affordable housing so navigate the system the other question why we give more money into the system that is failing. and christen that is what the parks and legislation was an attempt to start a bank a bank for the people of san francisco and in the san francisco community at the end of the day, this is an institution to turn a profit how do we do that and not contribute

to 9 crises that is through the values of institution and the governance structure mayor willie brown to employ. those folks with the oversight commission will not be a center bank but residents of san francisco working in the district they have a need and know what the needs are - what needs san francisco needs the most i'm sorry. so all points the difference between whether is currently heaping more public accountability more transparency and more democracy in the bapg world especially in san francisco that caterers to the world and the other question and

after this is existing you asked the question this is what group one of the choices they're considering one given the need for the institution to turn a profit one three years should we on do participation lending? essentially work with the - like christen said makes it easier to turn a profit. if we participation levend or don't which of the many products proposed do we choose to start with with that $20 million we can give $21 million loan and taking into account the costs of running the organization or the exit where do we invest to show all right. this is the responsibility for three years we can turn a profit and so

those are other consideration to think about and the final consideration policy question is how should they breakdown did government it is 40 percent that is less participation lending. okay. >> so sorry i wanted to show you guys so right now the current policy numbers are um, participation leading up is 40 percent that for a change and small business supports affordable housing 10 percent all of that is based the likelihood of turning a profit with the percent of $20 million in year one, if we make that 100 percent proorpgs lending we can still be investing in small

businesses through a partner having them either create the products or take ones we have. but having said that, gusts all the feedback you have especially this specific issue. i think that you guys have a lot of expertise we can benefit from. >> i'll say one more thing to the director. note that, yes objective identified did small business technical assistance; right? but love of the mfc exert their technical not is in house but using volunteers within the network to do this work. it is or, you know, they have some kind of contractural

relationship not a rely relationship and don't have a lot of clients because small businesses need culture leads resist assistance. and they need someone they trust in the community (clearing throat) and can speak they're language literally. and helping with the applications that i think can't be over locked as the equity peace and capital. >> thank you for that. >> (clearing throat). >> thank you very much for this and director. >> thank you very much for the presentation i have to the been following is this but wondering with that is like in terms of the state public bank in san francisco. >> the straight has commissioned on opening its own

belongs around the population of california which zone the stoubd between 60 and thirty berries of californians that is whops that state level commission will make a recommendation to the government it is few years away. and if it california councilmember knox it's on california public state bank with the banking partnering to future this work specifically with them. >> anyone else director? >> okay. commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> i saw 25 commissioners is that right. >> one of the proposals for the public bank it is like three years out we shown on paper we

can run a reliable lending cooperation and more expertise to the work and so at that point yes 25 commissioners. >> like a banking thing? >> yes. we - definitely come from other public bank models and i am going to forget whichever has the model. >> the closer we get. >> we can bank go popular but one of the things we were been in governors is anti corruption measures we're thinking about having a larger number of people coming in at different points and times so there is appointed by elected officers but the idea

to anti corruption measure to insure that there are diversity of elect o finish line and have those terms staggered so that couldn't be a new roman overturn a qualifier them over time. >> i like that if everything goes well, an operations. >> existing thing about the mfc no regulatory approval of our own 0 governance so the board of supervisors could authorize the mfc tomorrow if they minded 80 and bafshg to get to the public bank we're looking at three year

timeline to prove our financial liability to apply to become a bank. >> and how can we be your alcala lists. >> you've given us the questions people will have and to help to spread the word about that and developed right now access to provide us with feedback on, you know, is this locals the bank you want to see serving us 92. >> thank you. >> i only have one question. given some of our departments and unthings happening already in the city with the bureaucracy

how do you envision i i can imagine that you talked about things able to like move for effectively, you know, just moving more efficiently how do you envision that right now? >> so this will be an independent institution that will operate independent so the mfc will initially is staffed by people that will be heard and then and once it is on its own basically doing its own his or her. >> the mfc a bank has to be

independent that the city is owned but not - so basically, they will be the city of san francisco creates a public benefit cooperation has the city owns a few operations for doing business have models whether that locals and socially we will - create this or the board will create had that with the principles those folks the mfc they run that; right? and they have that commission but won't be the mayor or board will change things as a public bank whenever we wanted and even if they wanted to have the overlooked commission will be a limit how much that can be done in any given year or time period

and again, that to meet the thought f d i crick the federal deposit cooperation and those are the two regulatory agrees will have to authorize the public banking to make that exist that level of oversight as well. >> and like how much did that cost to create a public bank? like i think the numbers so far what you'll start with two get it going but limiting like staff, you know, get the infrastructure going and themes. >> and the literal with a new building do have to hover 20 um, new staff to start. it had build think and the estimate for the mfc step one is $600,000 to start it in year one and

realistically given those processes one that the $2 million (unintelligible) that will end up being so, yeah $20,000 to get it started and $20 million to get a capitalized and the public bank is likely more to get it start like the startup costs and take $50 million to cap lids it is tomorrow if san francisco want to go step one public bank and the first step the reason needs to be so many more the $50 million to meet the requirement of fdic having more than $30 million to start. >> is that a possibility to get the mfc. >> it is saluting one of the discretion but will require his

or her an individual like a ceo to manage the application process for the mfc is it is weird not impossible we have to hover someone that didn't yet exist to go get it started and approved and won running that like the best startup of balcony but the details how to work out that in the san francisco public agency so have to probable ask the city attorney's office how to do that specifically. >> commissioner carter. >> this is very exciting i've been hearing being that that in the presentation is great i'm curious how the public and others follow what you guides are doing.

>> absolutely we have a web page with the working group and go to that golden it and a lot of resources on the website panhandle if you want 80 read about public banking a robust with the information with the 68 page plan and if you have anything specific i'm available you can call. >> commissioner zouzounis. >> thank you for giving us the opportunity to speckle and longshoreman way guys are totally not able to sdous so i assume the part that goes before us to have a vote of the public?

>> so it actually is likely (laughter) so thank you very much.. okay. so under the san francisco charter on the mayor would limit the exemptions so some light gofrps model is an oversight commission appointed by the mayor with that is the regulatory concern and shoeltd in the progress and that christen mentioned if we the working group was to remove that model to the board not only it the mayor will selected the 0eg9 knits and the board of supervisors approved that man then we would likely need a charter amendment to allow the bank oversight commission to have its members selected by

other leveled the playing field officers the mayor makes appoint and the treasury and city attorney basically every elected official that will require us to go to the voter. >> thank you for the combapgs explanation i was asking about the money and asking the public to vote on that interest will be a property tax what do we have to prepare our economy for this type of product. >> a sales tax (laughter). >> i think we noted to have one possible source of funding the green financing that is available. that we actually have a number of other potential

resources from the general fund or from the investment san francisco had any given point has over billion dollars in the federal reserves he held other other banking institutions so; right one of the experts we had is from the budget legislative analyst and done ankle detailed analysis if we want to use that investment what looked like and the appropriation by the board of supervisors. from that policy. >> but even considered the crowd sourcing the green bay packers model with the green bay packers. >> potentially have source share- >> (multiple voices). >> allowed to allow a share with the public banks and have

haven't eliminated any of the potential actions at that stage and soaking feedback if you like any of those potential sources more than others let us know. >> thank you for that clarity. thank you. >> outcome to clarify it did trousers holding investment be used for the public bank if it is allowed can't be used like the treasury mfc it is not lists under the acceptable investments policy. but so the measures before mentioned can take money from the policy with the appropriation i wanted to clarify that. >> (multiple voices). >> yeah. >> all right. thank you. >> thank you guys. >> we took a lot of your time.

thank you very much. >> no actually, we have to take public comment first. >> great. >> let's see - i want to make sure no other questions yeah now ask for public comment on any commenters in the room? >> any commenters on the line. >> none. >> he or she public comment is closed. thank you for the presentation today. >> next item, please. >> >> 4. small business survey results: discussion of recommendations (discussion item) the commissioner will review and discussed the policy roemths based on the small business commission survey results so i think today i'll be presenting on the draft -

survey and based on the survey we have through draft understanding and policy i wonder if it is ores to start with one and take some comments and then we'll move into the slide. >> survey one of the things highlighted was people wanted that information about tax credits and noted application assistance. so being specifically like the employee retention tax credit where challenging for small businesses to access and so we have here a recommendation to draw down federal employees retention tax credit communication campaigns what encourage small business

owners to take advantage and how to draw down the federal dollars into the local economy. i have some facts but open up for questions before go into my own (unintelligible). >> maybe i should have (laughter). >> yeah. >> (laughter.) >> continue. >> well, i like the gaps for the employee retention tax credit you're role that um, you know, obviously many people didn't know how to access where to go to no resources that makes recommendations how to go to get help them get those and think there could be more targeted outreach to the merchant associations and the corridors for them to find resources

within their neighborhood can be a trusted resource and asking for larger like cancelled district merchants and others to maybe more regional and i think meat and bones had a hard time trusting that was available. >> and so much you had to put in that application. >> a lot of information. >> but it is also i think we talked about it last time we were 340e9. it was would just the help but how much money they were asking to just do just to submit the information. i know,

you know, one company was saying 40 percent of what they're credit will be and then, you know, then finally finding some place will do it for 20 percent i think it - the process is actually overwhelming i went there the process i was overwhelmed took time out of work to get it done was it worth it? of course, it is worth it but i do believe there is an easier has to be an easier process. and then i think i have a question you all my know i don't think i'm aware because still i'm trying to i know i'm in a point of contract i have a name and number sending out to the people chris does that and making life easier for everyone

but isn't there a timeframe you you can - isn't it running out where like - i know when i did maintain i lost a quarter and kept hearing between the next time will lose other quarter and another quarter time is of the sense now aren't we working against time? >> yes. >> (laughter). >> yeah. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> want to add to like what commissioner dickerson said and

the book core are more intimate and i faced a ton of krapz and want want to do it with you're integrating with businesses like telling someone the doctor is wrong that's a hard sell; right? and businesses we work with so just kind of like not restaurant reorganization like a lot of of the cpas and book core have the data and the small business commission community utilization a lot of small business commission and book core a constant and the small business commission do to smaller cpas and don't listen to our decrease

that is a hard sell; right? and on top of super confusing. >> complicated. >> i saw them in one of my companies and wow. >> (laughter.) >> you want me to what? >> but i think what you are saying about, you know, personal experience first i have thought reserves i think everything was online and they sound liquid a total sales person and i did the researcher on the company and this just happened (laughter). >> right three years. >> right? >> ; right? i you were special. >> asking all the questions but i couldn't find one one not one

to do it so finally fortunately someone who i known for years and part of company shoes role shoes really good quit that was important if we would have a company and do that and the only thing is 20 percent? >> but it is a lot but they do like- >> (multiple voices). >> you can't i mean get the remaining. >> you get the 80 percent and sharing charging 20 percent back. >> (laughter.) >> i mean that is basically the choice; right? >> yeah. no, i think that there

is - this is like something i feel like so typical of so many things offered; right? money on the table but no one knows how to access that and hike like you're right their small businesses so they had to make a choice whether they're going to put in the time and effort to like figure it out. i don't know. i put it so, you know, we have that out here as recommendation i think my hope that some of our organizations like in the community would come together and have the outreach put together a recommendations like i don't know if the city i don't know if i have my roemgdz for the city to help with that

[off mic.] >> i look for it turns out pretty good- >> (multiple voices). >> the chamber of commerce. >> yes. the chamber of commerce and i just refer people to the website. i never refer anyone to that pam like a doctor; right? >> but i had a huge success rate and back then 10 or 15 percent but to the time this quarter and the next quarter are the crucial ones those are the ones when businesses were shut down that is the big pay day after that it increases go dramatically. >> maybe instead of bbp that like a recommendation about how specifically to get ergs rtc credit a recommendation that will help small businesses get credits in general? or is that

sort of like bigger cpa connection like taking one more step and saying what is there really disconnect between the small businesses get it kind of help and any opportunity in there to improve that is another way of thinking. >> it is helpful framing. >> commissioner carter. >> yeah. thank you, guys pretty much for answering any questions? and as a commission maybe work with the chamber to get the information out to the um, cbo and enterprises i know even for me like i have not done it and counselor says she can do

it can she do it yeah made it two easy i don't know. >> (laughter) yeah anything we can do to support like the community organizations and get the information to them from the chamber of commerce or whoever is doing the work i know like for a lot of 3wr5ugd businesses they did that before covid 19 or who qualifies that information and not intransmitted people calling thinking. >> commissioner herbert. >> a list with the chamber of commerce that would be great does that exist?

>> because i got a recommendation of some guy springs i talked to him (laughter) but i ended up answering and cold call those are the people that we went with and i was sort of like who are you and we like because of shark any worked out well that would be great like a have a trusted person or company. >> yeah. [off mic.] >> and also remember like i'm sorry but ppp our community love thought under the people from the community so, now shocked everyone is doing

time; right? and other acronym so i don't know in terms of of culture. >> commissioner carter. okay. >> thank you for the feedback is helpful and gave a change for feedback and acquire with a partner i think the feedback you're sharing will help to get to them as well they can think about how to structure those programs. >> you're right we're allowed for the san francisco 71 where we feel stuck but soluble early on with the chamber of commerce to lock for this cpa they shared them a newsletter and on the website they can upload to

information and back then it was expensive but as mr. chairman 6 our former president 20 percent of something is better than zero percent of nothing so i want to share that our department center they do have folks can help you understand what documents you need to file what documents you need to get to a cpa or a law firm to make sure you're aware of that resource to gather office uses first but in any case will work on that issue and certainly recognition kind of a gap headquarters and sent to the organizations that asked for the notice. that will be video recorded. federal government is wondering why those funds are not adopted completely. >> uh-huh. >> yeah. and i think, you know,

maybe we can continue to think more about secretary confirmed (laughter). >> it took a lot of energy for me to get it right. okay (laughter) and in we should spend time thinking about what kari recommended some of the bigger things or like looking at this is not going to be the last time this happens; right? something is a chronic issue we're not able to took place both the resources available. so do all see the craft. >> and finding and his or her employees was a challenge for small businesses all of us know

first hand. you know, and the recommendations here is that we utilize the city workforce and the city's workforce trains with residents with opportunity like many of us have experience with different angle groups work on training and different types of programs. so, yeah i'm going to i want to put that out there how i don't know how to frame the correct question. >> i guess thinking about that it would be other ways that we could help in finding and his or her employees for small businesses like not just within the city but other things

limiting. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> using the resources we have josh director josh these are amazing work arnold's in the community like the resources and mthsz like the pop up events he had with employers and employees he collaborative with cbo he works i think that we just need a plan of resources like stuff that continues and, you know, with inflation and the interest rates and all those tech companies cutting jobs i see the compression in the job workforce with now it is raised to one hundred; right? tripling adopt that workforce is coming, you know, hopefully gets better yeah o e w d in our department not

having a beige but does a good job. >> one of the things that i thought was really helpful and hopefully will continue is liquidate so he can't based his or her fairs and things like that. and we can do small business hiring fairs it is hard i mean, we have employees that travel, you know, bart and other places in the bay area but easier to try to get people in the small businesses working in the neighborhood i don't know maybe we can get feedback to more neighborhood based hiring fairs and themes and having those opportunities um, for

other organizations to table like great to have the educational after school programs and a longer than piping not just come and get a job but the training and i feel like the small businesses jobs have very interested in training people like we have so many businesses community minded like the dog grouping a perfect xshg. >> so thank you. this last year, we heard about the issue with planning and hiring employees we learned about the workforce to understand what it say they offer so actually outcome and we can share the warehouses you but a good list online with the job stakeholder

that people can go and again, within their neighborhood and trusted neighborhood to lock for jobs and partnering with the workforce for hoifrg fairs at the have this in april. right around the corner and have notified businesses to hover people and put out the information and at the fair but also 15 resources everyone need to have the link for the prarmgsz in the job fairs and share that with all of you but as long as you're on employee employer and making sure you're

aware of we'll circle back with the commission. >> commissioner herbert. >> well, i'm to be bias but that would be great to have that conducted by destroy like restaurants for example. >> okay. >> oh, yeah. >> okay. >> sorry. >> (multiple voices.) >> amplify that. >> the workforce is coming to the next commission meeting i believe with the further conversation with them. >> commissioner. >> yeah. i wanted to piggyback off of huey and creating the pipelines and some of the employees go to schools a block

away. so we can think of partners in the job fairs outside of workforce maybe housing daycare. and really a good idea and commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> jobs we have now in the city like a supplement a go program i used it years ago and candidate reimbursed and help me off set that when you're on on board people like 25 i don't know what it is now but splunl at the time and reimbursement back then like that was a lot of; right? that is a program and also i was thinking about the schools like we really advocate the colleges

and sometimes not the thick; right? like trade and hey go shop at a local and maybe a lot of legacy business registry end that selling the business to the employees; right? and can't get more financial independent and lastly, maybe create so instead of going them to no more uber and come work for life that's a joke. >> (laughter.) >> commissioner zouzounis. >> yeah. i love the brainstorming going on the city as commissioner ortiz-cartagena mentioned the wage subtract program a lot of the job fairs are gathered towards bigger

employers so i think my how to bolster this roams from our sufficient is some of the funding that going to the neighborhood merchant like green line those sort of streams i live they've been focused heavily on aesthetics and corridors um, activations we need to empower neighborhood employers to have like you said neighborhood based resources and it is zion that attach work is not being fund by the economic funding right now. um, so i think merchants themselves if their empowered to have some, you know, infrastructure and funding support to convenient

and network within the neighborhood that is a recommendation we could make and to get it to the micro businesses. >> uh-huh. >> i mean i think the wage some city programs a setting a precedent like i want to learn more how the city is able to kind of subsidies a private an employee contract that is the question of well what else can we do for the rose wage workers and this is where we, you know, (laughter) campaigned they're asking big employers to provide bigger benefits so the city is providing small businesses for

the workers may be the trails into the healthcare or maybe come up with other incentive products that the city can offer to help small businesses, you know, have a better place of work for their employees i love to investigate what other tools can be developed to help the workers with the full benefits of small businesses. >> that's a big picture question. >> i think jumping into that conversation like and piggybacking what you said oriental is always on my mind kind of how we collectively make san francisco o san francisco 80 be a better place to work and provide like a lot of the people we employ may live in the city. um, but they could benefit from

things like caregiver nearby and benefit from financial education; right? like how to be financially like literate and because i feel a lot of time as an employer you're dealing with sometimes people's life crises when you're living in san francisco and you're trying to make that those are really big things and they are disruptive to our day but very disruptive to their lives and if we lived help mentor them to be on a better path i them like this to me i feel like that is such a gift like don't have to work for me forever but did time you're working is the awesome time ever; right? and housing like a great incentive for housing and parking will be great or

transportation i know i went too far (laughter). >> that was made before. >> i'm going too far but 7, 8, 9 it all i want to all and or transportation subsidized transportation what we have that may be [off mic.] >> yeah. >> whatever mode of transportation let's coordinate we want to expand it conversation not just hiring but support a lot of people to work in the city one of the things i was thinking like have the shop local campaigns what if we have a campaign those are the wonderful things about working

within our corridors for me when i was heard a college student that was like the place for them to make friends and their friends come in and they feel a part of the community that is like a cool thing to show someone they're 19 so i think there are love benefits if being in communities and like we could probably come together with some role awesome campaigns. >> i mean. >> (multiple voices). >> what will be ideal what i don't know i want to put that out there. >> what if there were some kind of like register of people that have available places say hoe i would love to be a part of this.

housing san francisco residents whatever. that is comes out of - i had a in lieu unique situation had a client had an apartment available and any employee noted it i acquired oh, that would be great he felt he was for the supporting any business and then another tenant who did the same thing for another employee. and then then had a situation where i had an apartment and didn't know my employee noted it the housing so - you know, it is kind of like this maybe you don't know if i was knew a registration or something people, you know, if you're like i love to have something that is automatic long term house someone living in the same city

for a long term residents. >> so far all my employees live within a one mile radius it is great not to worry about my employees. (unintelligible). >> and encourage us all to dream big. >> (laughter.) >> you know, and commissioner carter. >> i'm not on one hand like any housing preference when mpdu for residents that live in certain neighborhoods? i don't know something we can think about. >> i know a long list of preferences but i think that like how we build community like people 7, 8, 9, to live and work in - like for me most that have

my adult life had had to commute that is like i love when they employees live in the tenderloin and kids go home and help their families come back in 5 minutes stoop i don't know if it is something we can mpdu lock a mill are purchase and investments and cleaner streets that came up a lot in our recommendations and several to

implement the fire bicycle patrols that was noticed about 77 percent of san francisco residents have a positive impact. um, and helping merchants associations or community associations develop all directories people know where they can direct the questions or concerns moaning like to the police department or other cities agencies. thifrld expanding the community ambassadors programs. and yeah, so there is some work already like some of those but wanted to open that to see where the conversation can go. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> i want to highlight that kind of takeaways what we're talking about in employment i'm

not naming the small businesses but in the mix like remember charles bronson but. >> (laughter.) >> it is alcoholics and a lot of businesses get employees they're younger but the craziness they can not retain them that is scary in my culture the comes back are elder ladies and we had an elder attack in board light was a teacher; right? and had a press conference but it is not only the- the same business that lost the business so it is just crazy now. and i think that, you know, you, you see the department of budget for the public works it

is on parks probably a larger budget than some places in california and a lot of my friends don't do much i put them on a bus right now we have the resources more effective management; right? you know, like some of the stuff we do in the mission we activate the spas right bring a ton of people music and cultural and fun. >> a occupy the space and a lot for a few hours a fit? safe bus everyone is out there see kids running around we're out there and the merchant feel safe and vast volumes of people and we have to bring if i have to hover, you know, the ones with majority we have to bring in stuff that the city easily or should have in place and those

that they're it is crazy. and it is like the streets are not safe and dirty i understand the safety part but more complex but clean you can clean the streets no controversy on my side about that why? if dpw i put them on a bus any day and has dpw district is transparent visible online on the website how much time want water have they ooze power washing we could get it matrix and quantifiable overuse this much water whether did you clean or dump it down the drain but great it is charles bronson 1970

i removed. >> commissioner carter. >> yeah. i'll speak to the tenderloin that is where i'm at everyday and want to see more investment like your honor, community investors and clearing the way i feel safe when they're there and literally see a ship like if it is a dark and i give a lot of praise to the your honor, because i from a personal experience like they have their dusters and garbage cans and should have the same legislation we did for the graffiti removal

so have our commercial districts washed down like i see um, if you guys - the opposite side of that that do is civil klein i don't know whether attach money they're investing to have that done everyday but definitely a difference offender the streets you guess so see that cross the street i like to see more investment especially in our commercial district to be washed down and the commission like i've never saw the commission like that and i'm a native of san francisco it is getting worse and worse everyday like for me being from bay view like i get to the mission and certain parts of the downtown it is

still scary we have to address that an opening issue i can imagine being a business owner on a mission right now. to safety and the the cleaning. >> thank you i have a technical question make director can help me understand because i know there are a code theirs code and jurisdiction with the department of public works and how much private property they can clean i know that the city is outcome on behalf of love of our is

there a way the registry or the new attach communication that we're trying to have with the city with the property owners a way to bake into that a new arrangement for how we clean private sidewalks oftentimes maybe the ones that the one side that the city can't touch the question specifically is like there is property tax like what is the agreement, you know, the agreement 24/7 a property owner and the city and the taxes it is if where the street cleaning money supposed go ever or see property owners responsibility few we're kind of trying bridge that private to public, you know, relationship with property owners like can we build new infrastructure.

>> technically the region of sidewalk mansion or maintenance for a residential that actually, the property owner of the residents like in front of my house i have to maintain the sidewalk have so hover someone to do the concrete for the residential properties so and that applies to cleanliness we're managing a commercial vacancy that is not quite what you're trying to get at but honestly but the tax clerks have the business owner contact information; right? but not an issue about street cleanliness all our take into consideration services going to dpw and emptying the public trash cans

and tree maintains the swiek i'm going the street cleaning we need to move our cars the general fee services are prior by the taxpayer dollars. in terms of vendor happening focused areas where whether through the supervisors or what have you like trash or issues in certain neighborhoods the mission or tenderloin they will get a little bit more of that serving the west side neighborhood; right? not as much as street cleaning or sidewalk cleaning not as many issues. so, of course, we all feel like it is not enough but for the neighborhoods that again have the heightened, you know, where is add backs or complaints

it is visible or other issues on the streets than will be the focus on the cleaning efforts in the neighborhoods. so hopefully that helped. >> yeah. [off mic.] >> is really trying to get at a code that is a legal inhibit our to the sidewalks not cleaned, you know, yeah. >> i think i was trying to say they clean the sidewalks even though the responsibility of property owner they clean those areas last week the tenderloin and in addition to cdc and actually heaping not happening maybe as fremg as we like and in all the neighborhood.

>> like no - we can't clean the - a property owner issue. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioner herbert. >> it smoeldz the communities of color are left in the dust for whether reason and the mission is i don't know about that identifying not been there. >> (multiple voices). >> i'll happy to give credit where credit is due. >> the marina is spreadsheet also maybe they complain more but i don't have an answer

either. >> uh-huh. yeah [off mic.] >> yeah how do we change that that's the bigger question. >> and focusing on whether dpw has that a problem in revenue? >> i appreciate you're bringing that up i feel like this is our opportunity to talk about those things. like having these things detailed on a survey i mean our small business community is saying that we have an open forum to brainstorm the ideas. outcome, you know, one of the things i thought thinking about

what the small business directory how do we gave me some of our community organizations especially the ones that serve people who are either on the brink of being unhoused or maybe struggling with like mental health issues like people in the community who are well-equipped and have experienced being like a safety net for people and making sure that our communities are teen care of in the richmond what we do as community? our small business owner are really south korean people suffering on the streets and, you know, is business owners are real people

that live in the neighborhood and want to help people kind of like we feel helpless you don't know what to do as merchant i have a merchant association meeting tomorrow more than one how to create a resource guide based on a scenario this thing is happening who do we call. i was talking to friends who are closer to the advocacy world a proportion the police may not be the right people to call we are realizing that and knowing that now. kind of like who are the layers of resources that we already have and then we can start identifying the gaps and like a followup like; right? you want the person that you see

everyday to be able to have care that may not come from me, i'm running my business and don't have the expertise all right. this issue happened and it is over now go on with your life we all still have subcontractors and partnering with the community so yeah in a recommendations in any inhibited and come together and figure out some of the prevalent scenarios how will we deal with that? >> i have not done it yet but kind of keep us posted if you want but, you know, those are kind of the solutions i'm thinking about engaging different people in the conversation and maybe in the future meetings have a group

meeting to - i'm over this finger www.wrev.net or like you're a terrible person i think we're not we're part of the community we are opening up businesses role making that place a better place maybe we can start to talk different, you know, organizations and people whoever i think that is something i'd like to i want to put that out there and have ideas who might be good to talk 80 and bring those up. >> commissioner carter. >> so this is a discussion item or have any solutions as far as, you know.

>> i mean, we can offer something. >> i don't have solutions but wondering like i would like to get the slouthsz as far as cleaning the streets and also security. i think that is have on record we want to do when it comes to solutions (laughter). >> commissioner herbert. >> just one more thing kw5i69 the streets with events and then filling vacancies, however, we get started with that and, however, we get through up and running that will kind of drive help drive a solution dpons. >> does that maintains.

>> next eliminating fees and taxes one thing that was brought up several times on the survey performing the healthcare the h f d o and let's see - consolidation and simplifying fees so yeah. i mean are self captioner we feel we bay pay a lot of no fees it is confusing open that up for discussion.

>> only we do crazy stuff like that and california that is crazy no funds give it back to whoever put it in and please. i mean have to go to m ic or nothing. >> (laughter.) >> so the health commission get periodic updates and currently there is sort of like a three year plan to eventually have that money into the general fund and the health fund has recommended to support the

healthcare services provider and that is kind of how the general conversation has done a few years the people are getting people to utilize which is left in the funding or former employees can use it and have outreach and get people to use it a eventually whether those left of that will go into the general fund. >> that's the plan. >> (laughter) maybe we can clean the streets with that money [off mic.] >> yeah. >> you know. >> go ahead. >> with the challenge program things that are health related and clean streets are health related for people that live

that on the street to help them with, you know, [off mic.] >> director. >> to things to think about one objective weighing in on the expenditure of funds left over in the city. it maybe focused but didn't hurt to have your input and more importantly the policy itself and changes to that a couple years ago and did that makes sense or propose additional changes over that. >> on that i think that h t s o we need to draft something up not today but that is time

sensitive they have sharing hooks on that money but let's not make small businesses throw away money in the future those are the things we should be open that's crazy. >> yeah. >> just a conversation the type of things will be helpful to get more background on or if you feel comfortable with that topic [off mic.] i have those curious like i don't know who will be but like in the presentation will be helpful to hear from you all. >> i feel like a commissioner have done that background preparation i feel like - in

our files you don't have to go ahead it all over again but have we gotten a presentation. >> that is a good next step we should definitely want to move on that like and maybe some sort of presentation to get us all up to supposed with the possibilities we can draft a resolution towards the solutions i think will be helpful. >> it is frustrating would not small businesses. >> not small businesses. >> but i feel like conversation has not been had at all.

>> i think our survey agrees. >> i think that is good do act on obviously like those are people that actually took time out of their day to fill that out and people filled long accountant and people our small business community came through and gave a lot of information about how they're doing. and sounds like that that seemed like a before an planning for that for the other things i want to be able to actually move towards a solution or resolution or other means i think the next

step to put together the notes and solutions we up with today and kind of talk about that again, i feel like we came up with a lot of things during our discussion that i'd like to see how much can be viable to and how to move forward with them does that make sense. >> we were pretty comprehensive today if you want to review the survey and see in the feedback that might triangular ideas we have a pretty good idea of how far we're willing to dream so we

can give you comments the next couple of weeks and i feel really good about how far we went with today's conversation a quick follow-up question. >> would there a what 0 or way to track a specific or named codes with the small businesses a trend or a way to identify people mentioned the same one or something? >> a specific area for identifying which code agencies for small businesses are alluding to. >> like the feedback was general statements and housing and infrastructure was k5ub8 out specifically we can review the

data and i'll have copies if you want to. >> okay. >> i have one more question. >> um, is that public information the amount of money in the funds or am i missing a line? >> $775 million? >> $15 million [off mic.] >> and two different numbers and perfectly mount it is hard to tell nine hundred and 75 and $104 million was the other number ca i can't the healthcare is part of a a larger i i can't tell exactly you how much is in the fund. >> both just don't know where

they find it (laughter.) >> um, any other comments? >> no? >> we'll have to take public comment. >> no public comment. >> okay. >> so no further comments the item is closed next. >> 5. approval of draft meeting minutes (discussion and action item) >> commissioners any comments on the minutes? >> no. >> questions? >> no. okay. open up for public comment. no public comment. >> any public comment on the line? >> none on the line. >> great. somebody want to make the commissioner make a motion to approve the meeting minutes? >> oh, i'll make a motion.

>> (laughter.) >> to approve the minutes meeting. >> i second it. >> by commissioner dickerson and commissioner carter, yes. >> commissioner dickerson, yes. >> commissioner herbert, yes. >> commissioner huie, yes. >> commissioner zouzounis, yes. >> commissioner zouzounis motion passes. >> next item. >> 6 discussion stem. >> any members of the public want to make comments no callers in the room or online. >> public comment is closed. next item. >> 7. director's report

(discussion and action item) all right. good evening commissioners and said to share that last week on thursday um, our office with london breed announced the legislation will be trod to improve over one hundred to the planning code have reviewed zoning table all the different neighborhoods and made recommendations to each of the supervisors office and so many of the recommendations of legislation with the feedback we heard through the merchant block community throughout the entire city and appreciate that the great way to showcase that opens in july of 2021 and kwoel but a great place for people to be k34u89d services and where the small businesses specialists are

located, and, secondly, trod legislation to eliminate the shared spaces and increase the tlrld for the 50 percent reduction at the curve sites and the threshold is 50 percent discount is $2 million and the next is the limited live performs on polk county street in the commercial district supervisor peskin eliminated that to - specific to pulp street and lastly, want to share our office will be participating in the first annual openhouse on thursday an opportunity for participants to learn about contracting opportunity and establish the partnerships with other firms as well and building

i don't know it is still true but dmubt commissioner carter an scratch that from the minutes but participating for sure the resources from our office that's it for my updates. >> sorry. >> um, so great. thank you very much direct tang and any questions or comments? oh, commissioner comments and commissioner carter. >> yeah. i love the ordinance for live music until 11:00 p.m. san francisco has to get back into that not just polk street

but sowing other supervisors taking initiative and across the street. >> any other commissioner comments. >> public comment? >> no public comment on line or in the chamber. >> hearing none public comment is closed. next item, please. >> >> 8. commissioner discussion and new business (discussion item) this is a discussion item. >> commissioner zouzounis. >> thank you yeah. i want to also say i attended the press conference at the center that was great to have our women leaders pushing that work i feel like that is san francisco, you know, that we need to tip our hats so that the women are

pioneering our move from stagnation to change in the new era great is to see the administrator and mayor and others speak 1209 work our commission has been championship championing for years and got to shout out to the media i like they serve to be known and announcements on my end ramadan to our small businesses we or that are celebrating on friday and i would like to make another consultant there is the iran community is 1r0i69 those to saturday from 11:00 a.m. to 12:30 of a california suicidal

that was this is crazy. >> to see some san francisco history unearthed and will be open to the community the arresting men community on saturday. so and very come, commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> thank you um, i have an ask for for our commission to ask regarding california senate bill for the street vendors for food i'm going to present to clarify how this effects you're permitting and legislation here locally. specifically in the

mission district especially around just coming back raw product and what not and what of the plan? it is not clear. and i want to be pro stiff as opposed to to reactive. have them come up and tell us what they're permitting that's one and two, want to thank our office and our staff they came and trained regarding did 5id grant with the nonprofit i'm part of and came to the office that was great director tang was there awesome to see the people scared united states they scared us more than anything made us that much more intelligent and aware (laughter) so i want to thank them for that and also sbc trained the staff

moot and grout and so always so friendly we have a small business and got into sba and did love hundreds on and; right? that was go and lastly, will have an event on friday april 14th at 6:00 p.m. at the bar planning codes with life music and have face painting and jump elders and have a life, man sproipts so good with the theme of roster i'm not going to spoil that the low rearview mirrors so you're being there you are recruiting alternative ways of creating safety for community so tell everyone i'll have a flyer. >> commissioner carter. >> um, i want should to the the

board of san francisco we had black women on the water shed on saturday that was beautiful like so nice. you deverify the port and not only black women but different ethnicities and so, yeah provided them with customers they would not normally have and have people show up to the ferry building but people that normally don't like show up that is really role great i'll be there on thursday i would like to caterer they wanted three in the morning and

like an comblupt unit on the street vending we the three months ago i don't know what is going on i drive down mission what happened to the, you know, i'm on chair mar's bronson; right? >> (laughter.) >> yeah. i it seemed it is getting worse and worse out through. >> commissioner zouzounis. >> thank you sorry i forgot one thing i wanted to have on the record i have a privilege of south in to the last reparation committee meeting and i was impressed with the specificity

of remove and the economic roemths fall squarely in our economic recovery around cleaning up updated codes painted with the remarkable boys of the eras they were created in i should have have that on the reported, however, our or our concession pathways to ownership oig types of recommendations are exactly one we made so lee thereof have that on the new business somehow how to support that. >> thank you. >> i know i thought able to review some of the draft like reparations report hats everyone

gotten a copy of that? >> is that something. >> make a motion. >> sf.org and go to documents a lot of great, great recommendations and i know are not only go for the black community go for san francisco. >> i think that is how we have to start thinking all those things not just for one community role for all of us and started to think that way we will try to read everything (laughter). >> um, yeah i did not have anything else but encourage people to roll velocity new neighborhoods i think director tang and keri have been going

out to different neighborhood and mary ann velocity visit rg /* visiting it is like a vacation and how we're doing to establishment to mingle ours as one city not just people that to work and come home at night, you know. commissioner dickerson. >> i'm excited to announce. >> i'm beyond you all to feel guilty i'm excited the button camp is part that we're waiting to hear about button camp what is that a boot camp class where we do everything from strength

training to steps all with hip hop r and b everything to the recidivism a lot of fun the last time we had 35 people attending and so partner with them an amazing because we're soaking outgoing to providing all services for free on that day. so my class has never been free but have nicole and stretching from 10 to 11 and have live coaching acupuncture and all kinds of services and they're all free. so starting saturday april 1st, launching and existed passed out before you start. >> how do you assign up for that? >> a nicole. >> (laughter)

so will you please tell us we have put on the word you come and how do you rental we're not registering but come and going to provide serves as many people as we can and as it grows over the course we have all ready 25r9d other spaces in the shopping center and i'm very commit to staying with that class this class provided was an amazing i call that a movement because before covid 19 it got to the point was no more room no no more than lemon people were waiting outside go to instagram and see the marketing have and side how many people with attending that is amazing the energy the energy. >> i'm fully branded (laughter).

>> everything is said. >> we're going to meet there we can't transsexual to one other when we're there. >> yes. >> (multiple voices). >> but it is you know what it is not i tell people all the time if you have expensed it one time talk about the energy in bop space and everyone is moving and every move you move to the beat and then it is just i can't describe it i'll see you there. >> you want (laughter). >> to see (laughter) you might see some of that an amazing experience but it is really about the community and people role miss that class i'm k30i69d excited to partner and

provided this for free for the first time. >> thank you for sharing that commissioner carter. >> i love the partnering i wonder we can participate more for me, i think of that as is somewhat a lot a look a accelerator to participate with other businesses that don't go together i think that is pretty you - i mean i see it a lot in fashion and they're doing that how can we do that as as small business some type of initiative to partner with small business like i was not able to take on that thing with the court but if i go with someone and build for community and, you know, more clients and customers and all

that good stuff. >> uh-huh [off mic.] >> let's see - [off mic.] >> (laughter.) >> that would be amazing on the sidewalk. >> okay. i'm going to reign it in (laughter). >> any public comment? >> there is none. >> great public comment is closed. next item, please. >> item 9 adjournment and sfgovtv show the small business commission weekend baa reminder the small business commission official public forum to voice our opinion or concerns about policy that affect the economic violate of small business in san francisco and the office of small business the best place to get information and if you need

assistants continue to reach out to the office of small business and. [meeting adjourned] (gavel)

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>> the meeting will come to order. welcome to april 5, 2023 of budget finance committee. i'm supervisor chan joined by supervisor safai and shortly by vice chair mandelman. our clerk today is brent-always brent. i also like to thank sf tv michael for broadcasting the meeting. mr. clerk, do you have announcements? >> make sure silence cell phones and electronic devices. the board of supervisors and convening hybrid meeting. also providing remote access. the board recognizes that equitable public access is essential and we'll take public comment first on each item on the

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clerk at brent.jalipa @sfgov.org. if you submit via e-mail it will be forwarded to the board of supervisors and included as part of the file. you may also send to 1 dr. carlton b goodlett place. items acted upon today are expect td to appear on the agenda of april 11, unless otherwise stated. >> thank you mr. clerk. before we call item 1, we like to remind we have the budget legislative analyst report for items 1, 5, 6, 7 and 8 and for those items we will have department presentation first fallowed by the budget and legislative analyst report then will take question and public comments. mr. clerk, please call item 1.

>> item 1 ordinance authorizing the department of public health to award a one-time grant to planned parenthood northern california by waiving the competitive solicitation requirements of administrative code, chapter 21g for the purpose of funding security personnel to support access to family planning and other sexual and reproductive healthcare services in an amount not to exceed $400,000, for a term not to exceed two years. >> members joining remotely and wish to comment, please call 415-655-0001. id24898150572 and press pound twice. press star 3 to entering the speaker line. when the system indicates you are unmuted that is your signal to begin comments. >> verbal presentation today for this item by kelly. special project manager from department of public health. thank you. it looks

like the sponsor from supervisor stefani is here. >> thank you madam chair. (indiscernible) legislative aid to supervisor stefani. the item will wave the administration requirement to authorize department of public health to enter into agreement with planned parenthood northern california to fund security personnel to support access to healthcare services. the amount will not exceed $400 thousand and term will not exceed 2 years. the source of the funding is city wide add back in the last budget cycle of $400 thousand intended for security service as planned parenthood. abortion and rep productive healthcare providers are the target of anti-abortion threats disruption and violence which

is on the rise in recent years. in 2021, the national abortion federation from the year prior there was 600 percent increase in stalking incidents and 128 increase in assault and battery. 2022, the department of homeland security issued national teraism advisory system bulletin which noted there is heightened threat of violence. adequately trained security personnel, may be deterred doing so by threats of intimitation, violence and may subject to harassment and violence if they seek service. (indiscernible) especiallyly trained security personnel, supervisor stefani requested the 30 day hold be waived and thanks president peskin for granting and understand and appreciate the bla recommend the ordinance amend to include a reporting

requirement, however given the acute need supervisor stefani feels the reporting requirement outlined in article 6 of the grant agreement would suffice. thank you for your time and attention to the important matter. there are representatives from department of public health and planned parenthood here to answer any questions. >> thank you. we have a bla report for this. that's my question. is the department of public health still going to make presentation? >> no, we are just here to answer questions. >> no problem. thank you. >> this ordinance authorize department of public health to wave competitive solicitation requirements to provide a one time grant of $400 thousand to planned parenthood effective april 2023 through

march 2025 and would be used to fund security services through a contract between planned parenthood. i want to say we are planning to revise the recommendation that we put in our report, and what we are recommending instead is the ordinance be amended to request a report to the board of supervisors from department of public health on annual basis on the security contract and staffing and summary of security incidents during the reporting period. otherwise we do recommend approval of your ordinance as amended and i'm available to answer questions. >> thank you. i do have a question for the department of public health. the disterance between the existing security contract between allied universal and the grant is

switching to the-preference by the planned parenthood. the difference i try to understand is that ally universal is not armed, but as we switch to with public dollars we will be armed security. >> that is one of the primary differences that ally has been unarmed service, the planned apparent hood normal security company is going to be armed. they are mostly retired police officers and so licensed to carry. the other reason is because the s2 security service is long-standing and quite familiar with strategies and techniques and tactical methods for management the advocates comes to protest and can manage the safety and security for the site, because they have been there. >> when you say former

retire police officers are they from sfpd? >> no, i think they- >> in general. >> understood. is the s2 security also being used by planned parenthood outside san francisco? >> yes, they support walnut creek and (indiscernible) >> any questions? i see supervisor mandelman has a question. >> yeah, i like feedback from the sponsor and dph on the revised reporting requirement. bla proposed a revised reporting requirement and curious. >> the department feels the recommendation from bla is a good one and our intention would be to actually rather then modify the ordinance but put it in specifically as the bla requested to be

added to the grant agreement so it is built into the agreement and not have to modify the ordinance. that would be our request. >> how does that happen without modifying? >> not sure procedurally- >> we will accept the bla recommendation today, right? >> i'm not sure if dph is saying-say again what you would- >> our preferred would be to not have to modify the ordinance and we will agree that it will go if to our grant agreement that the reporting requirement will have the structure recommended by the bla. >> what is the issue with modifying the ordinance? >> our concern is there might be a time delay if we have- >> it isn't-i'm getting a no from the state attorney. >> then we are fine. >> alright. i like to

be added as cosponsor. >> thank you. clarifying, annual report-i think previously-just for everyone general public, previously the budget legislative analyst report was adjusting a bit more frequent understanding that in that event if that happens and i think that is a conformation from the deputy city attorney, in the event we want more frequent reporting other then annual report, then that is when it becomes substantive, is that correct? >> deputy city attorney ann pearson. no, as a general report reporting requirementerize not substantive so if you want to require it be more frequent then annually you could ask for that. you could also-given the fact the department has agreed to do this just reflects their agreement in a additional whereas clause. >> thank you. i think-thank you, i think we are in agreement. i think

annual report the bla agreed to amend their recommendation to annual report, of course we are also-i agree to it as well, and that thank you for also for the department agreeing to annual reporting, both reflicting in the ordinance and grant agreement. as you can understand, quhile i don't totally understand the security challenges that particularly unique to planned parenthood, i think the fact they have switched from to a arm security, i think it is something for us to-with public dollars funding that security is something for us to just make sure that we hold ourselves accountable. that's all there is to it. you have vice chair mandelman as a cosponsor now. supervisor safai. >> thank you. i just wanted to add-the bla had recommended quarterly reports. was there a

reason for quarterly versus annual? >> (indiscernible) >> got. >> if the board wants more frequent timeframe that would be- >> that's fine. i just wanted to-incident report on regular basis. dph will have more frequent reports and the board will have a annual report, right? >> we can certainly add that agreement. we were thinking we were doing is taking the recommendation from the bla and putting that into our grant agreement at the

annual reporting. if it is preferred we do quarterly and annual back to the board we can do that. >> that was the recommendation-sorry, ann is standing up now. >> what i understand is the grant includes a reporting requirement to dph and i hear what the bla is suggesting that the ordinance be amended to requirement dph provide reporting to the board and that secondary reporting would be memorialized in the ordinance by amendment. >> i was just reading the bla report and says something little different then, but that's okay. my second is through the chair to the city attorney, normally i'm not in favor of doing sole source contracts so i just want to know if the city attorney had a opportunity to look at that and i understand the need for it and want to say this isn't a unique situation. sounds like there might be threats

or have been threats of violence and so we want to make sure we have the appropriate level of security, but i want to make sure that-wanted to hear from the city attorney office on the idea of sole source. >> deputy city attorney ann pearson. as you know, the board adopted ledgeilation your or 2 ago to establish chapter 21g the administrative code which applies specific procurement requirements to grants alongs the one of the ones that exist pr procuring contracts. 21g does prohibit osole source grant making, and that is precisely while dh apartment is here before you today with a ordinance to wave that provision. there is a exception being sought here that requires board of supervisors approval because of the necessity for getting this money to this one individual contractor. >> got it. thank you. just for my clarity, the current contractor isn't able to provide the level of security

that you are looking for? >> that's correct. >> got it. thank you. >> thank you. let's go to public comment. >> thank you madam chair. [providing instructions for public comment] >> we have no speakers. >> seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. colleagues, i would like to first make the motion to amend the ordinance with the following language proposed by the bla, which is updated today. it's to the motion to amend with the

language to say, a-mind proposed ordinance to request that the department of public health submit annual report on the selected security contractor and staffing and a summary of security incidents during the reporting period. with that motion, mr. clerk, please call the roll. [roll call] >> three ayes. >> the motions passes and like to make the motion to move the item to full board with recommendation. >> on that motion to forward to full board with positive recommendation- [roll call]

we have three ayes. >> the motion passes. please call item 2. >> item 2 resolution retroactively approving the grant agreement between the city and county of san francisco and children's council of san francisco for the provision of early care workforce compensation and administrative services to support the city's implementation of the san francisco citywide plan for early care and education (ece) workforce development and compensation initiatives for the period of october 1, 2022, through june 30, 2025, in an amount not to exceed $164,346,004. >> thank you mr. clerk. colleagues, this morning we heard from the executive director from department of

early childhood that the city attorney's office has not completed the review of the contract and they requesting a continuance of this item, so i am going to make a motion to continue this item to the call of chair. any objection to that and with that, we should still have to open this item to public comments. let's go to public comments before we move the motion. >> [providing instructions for public comment] madam chair, we have no speakers. >> seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. i

like to make a motion to continue the item to the call of chair. mr. clerk, please call the roll. >> on that motion to continue this resolution to the call of the chair- [roll call] preef three ayes. >> thaurng, motion passes. >> please call item number 3. >> item number 3, ordinance retroactively authorizing the department of public health to accept and expend a grant in the amount of $3,639,888 from the california department of public health for participation in a program, entitled “future of public health funding,” for the period of july 1, 2022, through june 30, 2023; and amending ordinance no. 162-22 (annual salary ordinance file no. 220670 for fiscal years 2022-2023 and 2023-2024) to provide for the addition of 17 grant-funded full-time positions in class 0923 manager ii (0.5 fte), class 0931 manager iii (0.25 fte), class 0941 manager vi (0.25 fte), class 1823 senior administrative analyst (0.25 fte), class 1824 principal administrative analyst (0.25 fte), class 2586 health worker ii (0.75 fte), class 2802 epidemiologist i (0.5 fte), class 2803 epidemiologist ii

(0.5 fte), and 2830 public health nurse (1.0 fte). [providing instructions for public comment] madam chair. >> thank you mr. clerk. today we have a verbal presentation by deputy director of operation finance and grants from department of public health. no one here? >> yes, good morning. i am

virtual. thank you. want to introduce myself. (indiscernible) deputy director of operations (indiscernible) thank you for allowing me to be here today. as the covid-19 pandemic heightened awareness for support and resources across the population health division, in addition to the recent covid-19 and m pox outbreak, ph.d is in a state we respond annually to activation such as fires and extreme heat: given the current state of the population of division, which is public health arm of the department of public health, the state of california and department of public health leadership supported efforts to improve infrastructure pursuing the fuper of public health grant. the resources will support the work at

the population health division, with emphasis on communicatable disease and infection control. a small group as taken a look at the current structure and created a opportunity to strengthen the infrastructure by preparing for growth and to support the growing needs of san francisco. (indiscernible) health division will allow layer of support for integrated work with the community partners and with the broader department of public health. a key function that we do plan to maintain and expand is our data analytics to support community lead and work and prevention. these changes will strengthen population health current programs and also to support transformational and innovative work to help support and identify gaps in the areas for improvement. the future of

public health grant will support ph d with the expansion and support to manage the city's growing public health needs. i can continue on with some of the benefits or does anyone have any questions at this time for me? >> we are going to go to the bla report at the budget legislative analyst report for the item? my apologies. no, we don't have a bla report. it is my pet peeve, sorry, don't mean to say that, but it is not ph.d it is department of public health so the code is dph. i wanted to say that on the record for the acronym, it is dph. my question for this though is that, looking at this, because it brings-not only it is retroactive

but it funds full time positions of a total 17 of them, but it looks like it is reoccurring grants and i just want to make sure reoccurring grants will cover all 17 full time positions? >> that's correct. >> great. any questions colleagues? actually one more question. when we talk about reoccurring grants, how long is the reoccurrence? >> this grant is ongoing, and the plan is that once the grant is close to expiration our grant management team will continue its future grants to continue the funding. >> then if they don't receive the funding to sport the 17 full time, what will happen? >> that is a great question. i'm going to turn that over to greg wong, who has

been helping us with the budget portion of this grant. >> thank you. >> good morning. from what-i agree the positions will be funded in the future by auto-occurring grants awards. >> (indiscernible) >> other. >> right. so if you do not receive other reoccurring grants, what will happen to the 17 positions? >> in the incident where we are not able to get the reoccurring grant awards this will have to be evaluated. >> will have to be what? >> we will have to evaluate if that happens. >> but-okay. i think

this is a larger conversation that we should have frankly about-this is not unique to dph. i think we have other, like for example, department of technology, have or grant positions as well. we have other city departments that also have with the grants that brings in positions and i think that-i look forward to having a really conversation that is with the budget office, the mayor budget office with director and just looking forward through the process to talk about some of these positions, how we streamline them and in the future especially in the events that a list of positions that are grant funded, and what do we do with these positions when they expire, because i'm not questioning the importance of these positions, and that they are important and critical to us, but i think that we need to have sort of what i would say a backup plan in the

event these grants expire. i would love to be able to count on state grants for these positions, but just wanted to just have a backup plan. thank you so much for your answers and i appreciate it. should we go to public comment? let's go to public comment? >> yes, madam chair- [providing instructions for public comment] >> we have no speakers in the queue. >> thank you. seeing no public comment, public comment is now closed. mr. clerk, i would like to make the motion to move this item forward to full board

with recommendation at this time. please call the roll. >> on the motion to forward the ordinance to full board with positive recommendation- [roll call] >> we have three ayes. >> thank you, the motion passes. please call item 4. >> item 4, resolution authorizing the assessor to enter into a joint exercise of powers agreement with other california counties to become a member of the california county assessors' information technology authority to receive, manage, and expend up to $30,000,000 of state funds for technology improvements for county assessor offices. [providing instructions for public comment]

>> thank you. these are my favorite agreements because we bring money to the city. we have the verbal presentation by holly long, directser of public affairs from office of assessor recorder. >> good morning chair chan and with committee members. thank you for your time and consideration of this item today. we like to also thank board president peskin for sponsoring this legislation. holly long, director of affairs. if approved the resolution authorizing our office to join as a member agency as a california county assessor information technology authority. last year fiscal year 22-23, the state authorized up to $30 million over 3 years for the development of state wide information technology systems to assist in the standardization of state wide assessment practice in sharing reporting of assessment data with state and local

agencies. as a member agency, we would have a seat and voice at the table to advance transparency, equitable access and government efficiencies as the systems are built to share information and resources with the public. members of the authority provide expertise and support throughout the system bill process. as of this month, 34 of the 58 counties in california have become members. there is no fiscal impact to counties, the california assessor association funded the start up cost to create the authority and the state department of finance has deposited $10 million with authority to begin the pre-development and business analysis phases of the first joint system project. a proposition 19 portal. if needed the city and county of san francisco would have the option to withdraw from the authority with 90 day written notice. we respectfully request recommendation for the resolution so we might participate to build systems of support and meet the

needs of our staff and san francisco residents. thank you for your consideration and i'm available to take any questions. >> thank you. seeing no questions from colleagues, no questions from me and let's go to public comment. [providing instructions for public comment] seeing no in person speakers in the chamber, and madam chair, there are no speakers in the queue. >> seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. mr. clerk, i like to make a motion to move this item to full board with positive recommendation. please call the roll. >> on the motion to forward the resolution to full board with

positive recommendation- [roll call] we have three ayes. >> thank you. mr. clerk, the motion passes and please call item number 5 and this has a bla report. >> yes, item 5, ordinance appropriating $4,579,056 of california public utilities commission revenue in the san francisco public utilities commission for cleanpowersf capital improvements to implement the community food service energy efficiency program and placing $3,052,704 on controller's reserve, in fiscal year (fy) 2022-2023. [providing instructions for public comment] madam chair. >> thank you mr.

clerk. today we have a presentation by mike himes, director of clean powersf and i think laura bush as well. budget director from the public utility commission. thank you. >> good morning supervisors. mike himes with san francisco public utility commission. i got prepared remarks for you and happy to take questions on this item. i'm here today to seek the committee support for supplemental budget appropriation to fund a new community food service energy efficiency program for clean powersf customers. last year the california public utility commission approved approximately $4.5 million in rate payer funds to implement clean powersf proposed program. all these funds come from public purpose program charges levied on clean powersf customer bills, which

clean powersf is entitled to receive as a community choice aggregate or under state law. the community food service program aims to assist restaurants grocery stores corner stores and non profits like food banks and meal services in achieving energy sufficiency savings. the program will do so by working with a energy service company to provide free energy assessments and install energy efficient equipment like efficient refrigeration induction stoves, lighting and other equipment at no up front cost to participating businesses. for two years following equipment instillation, energy savings will be measured at the customer electricity meters by clean powersf and the participating businesses will make payments on the equipment to equal to the savings that they see on their bill. additionally, program incentive payments are made to

the energy service company based on energy savings performance. the more energy savings the company achieves, the more it can receive incentives subject to the program budgetary limits. the sfpuc will issue request for proposal to contact with implementing energy service company later this year. once the energy service company is under contract, the program may be implemented. the cpuc aen provered funding specific to this program and responding must be reported annually. with the ordinance today we are asking that the board of supervisors appropriate the approximately $4.5 million budget supplemental for this program placing approximately $3 million on controller appropriation reserve pending receipt of the funds. that concludes mour prepared remarks and happy to take questions you may havementf . >> thank you.

>> chair chans, members of committee. this ordinance appropriates $4.6 million in california puc revenues to the clean powersf program and places $3 million on controller reserve pending receipt of funds. the grant is for over 3 years so it is $1.5 million per year in the appropriation. and then the program would assist food service business and non profit with energy efficiency, and energy improvement over the 3 year period. we summarized the spending oen the grant and we recommend approval. >> thank you. supervisor safai. >> i had a couple questions about the budget. thank you so much for this proposal. i see the administration of the program makes sense to me and the marketing to let people know about it. can you tell me what the line item

energy management planning means and how that relates to the program? >> absolutely. the way this program works is, the contractor will go in the community, added by community engagement work with the company and it department of environment and as it identifies potential sites it will perform a energy assessment and it will submit a report to the business. if the business is interested in pursuing the upgrades, the company will bring to the puc the team managing this project, the proposal. so, as the company delivers proposals it agreed to, there will be a payment made to the company for that portion of the work with- >> which company? >> the implementing energy service company. that is the

portion of the budget that you are referring to is that planning portion of the project. >> so that line item is what is paying the company to do the work? >> it is paying the company to bring-to effective develop the project i to bring the customer into the program, and then the incentives, which is the line below that will pay for energy savings once the work is completed. >> who pays for the work? >> the energy service company. this model the way- >> that comes out of this line item? >> no- >> that isn't reflected? >> it isn't reflected here, no. what this program does is leveraging the capital the energy service company can bring towards these projects. >> i guessthalities that's the meat of the question because i know ontime if you do energy savings or upgrades or efficiency there is a cost

associated with that. can be between 20 and $30 thousand per business, so--by the way, this is from experience working on the ground with a lat of these businesses . if they don't have incentives or a program or matching or fund they can tap into, they are not go toog ing to do it. i want to know who is going to pay for it? and it sounds like the energy company will pay for it, the business won't pay at all? >> that's right. that's the model. >> okay, so puc is being paid on theed a ministration portion to administer and work with the provider. there is marketing and outreach and then once they actually do the work the energy service provider or energy service efficiency company, they then tap into the energy management planning dollars, because they actually successfully convinced or worked with it company

to be more energy efficient and then the direct imlment incentives go to whom? >> those incentives also go to the company, but based on measured energy savings. so, the idea here is that the company is held to performance. what we want to do is we want to create energy savings within the city at these customer sites and those savings also help pay for the measures themselves. >> do you-sorry, do you is a qualified list of energy third party providers that you contract with that do this work already? >> not yet. we are preparing a request for proposals hopefully to go out in the next couple months. >> that is broader to this program or specific to this program? >> it is specific to this program and this is the first time we have run a program like this. >> great. very exciting. it a great model because again, many of these businesses would not partake if they didn't

and you want to get someone in the industry and you answered my last question, were you going to go through a competitive process to choose the provider. we had a problem before with the department of environment, they brought up a completed package like this and had already chosen the company, hadn't gone through rfp, it caused a lot of consternation and problems-the fact that you already done all those things and are going through a rfp, i think makes it much more precise so we appreciate it. i would imagine that you are going to target areas of the city that are less afffluent, businesses less affluent? >> a core intent of this program is to reach hard to

reach sites. i will just to give you a little of flavor how this works, in applying to the california puc for these funds we also have to meet the california pu c cost effectiveness test. what that mean s is that, the investment of rate payer funds needs to be cost effective when you account for energy savings delivered, so-but, this program is really designed to target what we identifieds a gaps in existing energy efficiency programs that are out there and available to customers today. so, the energy service company is going to be needing to balance some smaller and larger business types in order to achieve the cost effective ntss, but our focus is working with energy service company to make sure that this program is marketed across the city and every part of the city, and delivers these services to hard to

reach businesses. >> is there a prioritization because it is a broad list of-it says non profits, grocery stores, corner stores, restaurants, food banks, homeless shelters, meal delivery service-is there a target within that because it isn't a large pool of money? is there a specific targeted industry? >> there isn't really. the way this is defined is based on a food service (indiscernible) i know the acronym but not sure-national something or other. it defines a category of businesses, and so i think what ultimately will-if we see a lot of demand that out source the program that is a great problem for us to have because we are able to go back to california puc and seek

additional funding so i hope that is the problem that we have. >> i would just add that i think based on spl some of the work supervisor mandalman and others have done towards the move of electrification in number of industries, particularly in the restaurant limited restaurant area, there was a lot consternation and lot of education and lot of resistance. it could be a nice partnership if you look at restaurants and smaller restaurants that could be incent vised to participate and partake in that through this type of work. >> absolutely. when we were envisioning this program it was during the pandemic and we were envisioning surveying a part of the community that was going to need help. emerging out of the pandemic. so, that was intentional. >> great. thank you so much. i would like to be added as cosponsor to this. appreciate

it. >> thank you. i think just want to flag the appropriation-the supplemental appropriation is not from the city fund, it is actually from the revenue generated by the sfpuc from the california public utility commission, so this is the money that is actually we are receiving and appropriating. with that said, let's go to public comment. >> yes, madam chair- [providing instructions for public comment] seeing no in person speakers, here in the chamber, mr. lam,

if you can unmute our caller, please. >> great. david pillpel, i assume you can hear me. i support this item. this sounds like a great program that puc will be implementing using appropriate rate pay er dollars. it sound to me a lot like the old energy watch program that the department of the environment had a number of years, may still have in coordination with the pg&e and others, including community partners so encourage puc to work closely with the department of the environment as to existing partners outreach methodologies and what not to serve the various populations intended here, but this sound like a great program and again support this appropriation. thanks. >> thank you much david pillpel for your comments. that

completes our queue. >> public comment is now closed. vice chair mandelman. >> thank you madam chair. thank you for your work on this and please add me as a cosponsor as well. kwrrks >> thank you. before i make the motion to move this forward to full board with positive recommendation, just thinking about upcoming budget and as well as sort of just thinking overall some of like supervisor safai mentioned about vice chair mandelman's work on moving home appliances to-as well as commercial appliances to really electric appliances. i would love to see that continuing effort. not just for food industries, but just really that is including things like leaf blower for

small businesses and are trying to move from gas to electric and just looking at water heater, moving for home owners moving from water heater to-gas to electric and in fact, we know mtc has really or bay area air quality council has moved forward with it to make that mandate happen, so just would love to see expansion or discussion in partnership with department of environment thinking about home appliances moving to electric appliances for both small business owners as well as for home owners and small property owners. looking forward to seeing that taking place in the coming months and with that said, i would like to move this item to full board with positive recommendation. mr. clerk, please call the roll. >> on the motion to forward the ordinance to full

board with positive recommendation- [roll call] >> we have three ayes. >> thank you. the motion passes. mr. clerk, please call item 6. >> item 6, resolution approving the 2023 lease and use agreement between the city and county of san francisco, acting by and through its airport commission, and 29 airlines to conduct flight operations at the san francisco international airport, for a term of ten years, from july 1, 2023, through june 30, 2033; affirming the planning department's determination under the california environmental quality act; and to authorize the airport director to enter into modifications to the lease that do not materially increase the obligations or liabilities to the city and are necessary to effectuate the purposes of the lease or this resolution. [providing instructions for public comment]

madam chair. >> thank you. colleagues, this item this lease agreement is a great consequence concludes extensive and complete negotiation with dozens of in this case particularly 29 airlines. this lease will enable sfo to continue flight operations and critical landing and terminal fees. it is many ways a blueprint for recovery of the city. airport commission under the leadership of eleanor johns as president approved unanimously this lease on february 7, 2023. it was here intelgence are, attention to detail, commitment to accountability and good business and

(indiscernible) finalize terms with dozen air lines. she is looking down on us this very day, in fact it is really the day that her friends and family gather to celebrate her life today at noon, so as we move this item forward and or at least closer to completion--with that said though, i think that there are a few things i like to get clarification on. i am supportive of the item as recommended by the bla, but let's actually go to the presentation. actually, we are not going to the presentation, we are continuing it. my apologies. so i do have questions about the $800 million of operation reserve as well as the capital

improvement funding that i really would like to have a better understanding. this is a $5.1 billion lease agreement that i think colleagues we should take the time to really understand and have more information. it is my intention to actually continue this item to april 19 because there are actually additional 11 airlines that will be coming forward with a similar term and are condition that we should discuss. with that said, i am going to continue the item to april 19 and at that time we'll have the airport presentation and bla report at that time. vice chair mandelman. >> thank you chair chan and i appreciate the additional time on this item as well. i do want to congratulate the airport on the work they've done getting to thish opponent with the air lines on the leases. i have some concerns actually and i know others on the board do as well about service workers at

sfo, and the status of negotiations around what i think is going on now 10 years with a master contract, and so i will be reaching out to our friends at the airlines during this time and the airport as well and trying to get a better understanding of what's going on with that. thank you. >> thank you. seeing no other comments and let's gee -go to public comment. >> thank you madam chair. [providing instructions for public comment] seeing no in person

speakers, mr. lam if you can unmute your caller, please. >> great. david pillpel again. i appreciate the staff work here. (indiscernible) airport director and his staff and city attorney folks do a great job at sfo every day and thank you to all the people at sfo that we don't hear from often. i note the continuing annual service payment, which i understand is unusual and perhaps unique to sfo providing minimum of $5 million or 15 percent of airport concession revenue to the general fund. that is is ongoing source and relatively stable and predictable compared to other general fund sources, and again, unusual and perhaps unique to sfo. i did note in the packet some of the forms 126 list the clerk of the board's main phone number and

not cathy widener phone number and perhaps we should list cathy widener office number, not cell. finally, i agree and also saddened by the passing of airport commission president eleanor johns. she was strong, she was smart, she was a incredible person and are she will definitely be missed. i have no objection to giving this a little more time. it is a 10 year lease and will survive all of the current members of the board, so i think it is important to give it to the time and attention that it deserves. thank you sore very much for listening to my comments. >> thank you for your comments. madam chair, that completes the queue. >> thank you. seeing no more public comment, public comment is closed. colleagues, i would like to make the motion to continue this item to our budget and finance committee on april 19. mr. clerk, please call the roll.

>> yes, on the motion to continue this resolution to april 19 meeting of this committee- [roll call] >> we have three ayes. >> thank you, the motion passes. please call item 7 and 8 together. >> items 7 and 8 are ordinances for the following to support immigration legal defense and office of public defender fiscal year 2022-2023. item 7 is appropriation of approximately $1 million to state settlement funds and item 8 is amending ordinance no. 162-22 (salary ordinance fiscal years 2022-2023

and 2023-2024) to reflect the addition of two positions (1.00 ftes) in the office of the public defender to support immigration legal defense in fiscal year (fy) 2022-2023. [providing instructions for public comment] madam chair. >> thank you. today we have our public defender here and i really appreciate you being here today with us and the floor is yours. thank you. >> thank you. good morning chair chan, supervisor safai and supervisor mandelman. i'm san francisco elected public defender. i'll keep my remarks very brief today. i want to thank mayor breed for sponsoring the items before you today related to this unprecedented attorney fee award that our office received after our immigration unit historic win against ice. i like to the mayor and controller office working with my team to prepare these items to the two ordinances before you for introduction and to the bla for their report. proud to

introduce francisco (indiscernible) immigration unit presenting on the item today on behalf of our office. >> morning, thank you to the budget committee members. my name is francisco (indiscernible) the manager of immigration unit at the public defender's office. we have a short presentation around these two items. most importantly, these funds were recovered by the public defender in litigation. they supplement the general fund with outside sources. they are in our account now, but we are unable to use the money without your authorization, which is why we are here today. so, our unit launched in may of 2017 is one of the first public defender offices in the country to build a deportation defense unit. the impetus is to move

towards building the right appointed counsel in removal proceedings. a person can be detained facing deportation and immigration court and not have a lawyer to fight their case, and after 2016 our city stepped up. supervisor safai, you were part of this and we doubled our funding for immigration legal services and we took a step forward towards remedying this injustice. currently, our unit consist of 8 attorneys and 5 support staff. we are now the largest immigration defense unit housed at a public defender office in california, and west of new york and since this time other public defender offices have expanded their immigration legal services, including contra costa,b cook county illinois,

atlanta george georgia and many others we san francisco and you have lead the impetus to have this happen. we have a universal representation model which means we don't spepd a lot of time screening cases, we go into immigration court and offer representation to who ever wants a lawyer. we work with immigration court and our non profit partners to improve the quality of representation and have a client focus representation and (indiscernible) there are some challenges. detention facilities are in remote locations, and many of our detained hearings are in over video. the legal landscape has been worsening, especially during the trump administration, but it seems like every day there's new challenges to face. we constantly evaluate our unit, and in late 2019 a

student fram the goldman school of public policy did evaluation. we found that of the approximate 207 immigrants released from custody and reunited with their family in a 1.5 year period. immigrants are 5 times more likely to win cases with representation then without. we have been able to reduce the bond amount. importantly more then 50 percent of clients lived in the united states for more then a decade, and more then 50 percent of the clients have u.s. citizen spouse or child. the pandemic like everything changed our practice. immigration hearings came to slowed down significantly virtually to a halt, and our clients were trapped in incredibly unsafe conditions. we knew that because immigration judges were

unable to have authority to release someone on the basis of a health risk, they are judges of limited jurisdiction that we needed to look to file a lawsuit, our public defender authorized us to file a class action lawsuit for people trapped in these unsafe facilities. this was personally one of the hardest times of my career and i think one of the most successful times. i never worked harder. we were able to secure a temporary restraining order where the northern district judge ordered a bail hearing and bail schedules. we filed 238 bail applications and spent 4363 attorney hours. that does not include criminal defense attorneys that stepped up during this litigation that also helped file bail

applications. we cocounseled with the aclu of northern california, sorn california, lawyer committee for civil rights, (indiscernible) and we were awarded a million dollar attorney fee award for this action. not only did we depopulate the detention facilities, we also won vital health and safety protections for people trapped inside and there is still strong action and resistance to these detention facilities as we speak. our ordinance, what we like to do with this money is to create a litigation attorney, and a paralegal, and the litigation appeals attorney, just to understand there are no plea bargains in immigration court. virtually all the cases go to trial. immigration courts remain somewhat politicized. some judges grant 90 percent of the cases, others deny 90 percent of the cases so the

ability to appeal is crucial. our defense attorneys are tied up in appeals and by creating litigation position we already have one, but creating another those appeals can be handled by litigation attorneys. in addition our litigation attorneys can file habeas lawsuits. just yesterday, district twourt judge oric ordered a bond hearing by the litigation attorney jenna buyer. the paralegals typically the bar association recommends 4 to 1 ratio, some recommended 2 to 1. our unit now has 8 to 1 ratio of attorney to paralegal. paralegal play vital support in helping our clients succeed and so that's why we are here to essentially expand upon the work that we are doing to bring a right to counsel and bring

justice for immigrants to reunit families. and so, i guess in conclusion, i like to deeply thank the board of supervisors. you all have created this program. you funded it. we are leaders in immigrant rights throughout the country. we play a vital vital role in this and i just wanted to thank you and i know that if you have any questions, the public defender and chief of staff is here to answer if you have any questions for me as well. thank you. >> thank you. we do have a bla report for this. >> yes. the two ordinances one appropriates little more then a million dollars in settlement award funds to the public defender immigration defense unit and the second ordinance amends the annual salary ordinance to add a attorney position and legal assistant or paralegal position to that unit. the $1.05

million fund these positions over approximately 2 year period. we show that on page 31 of our report, the positions probably would not be hired until closer to the end of fiscal year so we do recommend amending the file 238055 to-0055 to reduce the fte count for the current fiscal year to 0.17 from 0.5. we consider approval to be a policy matter. >> thank you. i just want to ask the public defender team, do you accept the amendments from the bla? as proposed today? >> good morn ing. yes, we do accept the amendments. >> i think that similarly as i have already talked about and i just want to say, grant funding position, this is not a grant

funding, it is from a settlement which i understand. however, in a similar fashion that we are now officially adding these full time positions, this particularly is only one-two part time position but a one full time money that we are receiving. what is the plan when the settlement money is going away? >> just want to make a correction, it looks like it is two part time but it is two full time positions it is just the way budgeted for this fiscal year because the positions will come on-board until end orphfiscal year. that is what the bla was speaking to. we have to modify it for this fiscal year, but it is two full time positions. i want to correct-make the clarification. and then in terms of the plan moving forward, we'll do an assessment. we are always looking for additional grant funding. francisco did say earlier, the immigration program within our

office is highly supported, not only through the city, but also in community, and so we'll have a assessment towards the tail end of fiscal year 24-25, and then proceed where we are with the budget and continue to speak to foundations and outside granting partners to fully fund our immigration program and other programs within the office as well. >> thank you. again, i know i'm repeating my self, but i think we should start tracking these list of grant funding or settlements. the positions that now we are adding and approving that outside the current budget and general fund positions,er and should have a backup plan. i think with all city departments and yourself for the public defenders a well to really think moving forward as we facing the budget deficit how we maintain the critical role. i have no doubt department of public health

needed the positions. they are critical to get through the pandemic, continue moving forward to prevent-especially based on lessens learned how we move forward. no doubt that this is also very critical in this time and seeing how critical it is for us to make sure that we-the fact you won the settlement speaks volume about why these roles are critical and that we need to have immigration defense within the functions of the public defender office. but again, how do we maintain these critical roles and these critical functions of city government in face of budget deficit. thank you so much. supervisor safai. >> thank you. just want to thank the public defender office for this tremendous work. i think that they have been a role-model for many other places around the country in a very stressful environment given the circumstances that happened over the last 5 years, so really appreciate the hard work of the staff,

front line, lawyers, paralegals, assistance, everyone, social workers that are been involved in this work, because they have to do it along with the added layer of covid, and then to win the settlement i think is tremendous for the city. just want to be added to item 7 and 8 as a cosponsor and keep up the great work. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. vice chair mandelman. >> i will echo congratulations and thanks and ask to be added a cosponsor to item 7 and 8. >> thank you. seeing that, let's go to public comment. [providing instructions for public comment]

seeing no in person speakers here in the chamber, madam chair, we have no speakers in the queue. >> thank you. seeing no public comments, public comment is closed. mr. clerk, i would like to make the motion to move the item to full board with recommendation. and please call the roll. >> on the motion to forward the ordinance to full board with positive recommendation- >> two items, both items. >> that's right. both items. full board with positive recommendation. [roll call] 3 ayes. >> thank you, motion passes. >> thank you so much. >> mr. clerk, please call the last item and item 9 on agenda.

>> yes. item number 9-sorry, one second. >> all good. >> item 9, resolution approving for purposes of the internal revenue code of 1986, as amended, and authorizing the execution and delivery of a multifamily housing revenue note in one or more series in an aggregate principal amount not to exceed $63,000,000 for the purpose of providing financing for the acquisition and construction of a 112-unit multifamily rental housing project located at 151 and 351 friedell street; approving the form of and authorizing the execution of a funding loan agreement; providing the terms and conditions of the loan from the funding lender to the city, and the execution and delivery of the note; approving the form of and authorizing the execution of a project loan agreement; providing the terms and conditions of the loan from the city to the borrower; approving the form of and authorizing the execution of two regulatory agreements and declaration of restrictive covenants; authorizing the collection of certain fees; approving modifications, changes, and additions to the documents; ratifying and approving any action heretofore taken in connection with the back-to-back loans, the note and the project; granting general authority to city officials to take actions necessary to implement this resolution, as

defined herein; and related matters, as defined herein. [providing instructions for public comment] madam chair. >> thank you mr. clerk. today we have jasmine development specialist from office of community investment infrastructure here to make the presentation. thank you. >> thank you. good

morning chair chan, committee memberstiatia and mandelman. my name is jazznen, development special est as office of community investment infrastructure ocii here to present on item 9 for the 100 percent affordable multifamily housing development known as hunter point ship yard black 52 and 54 in the hill top neighborhood hunter point shipyard of phase 1. the purpose of the resolution before you is to approve the issuance of tax exempt multifamily housing rev new bond for hunter point ship yard block 52 and 54. this bond transaction is conduit finances which does not require the city to pledge funds to repayment of the bond. next slide, please. oci i has 3 affordable housing sites on the hill top. as you see the aerial view of the hill top, black 52 and 54

are two non contiguous blocks. for brief history on the block 52 and 54 project, in 2021 jonathan rose company and bayview hunter point multipurpose senior service collected as codevelopers. a permanent loan approved by the loan committee and ocii commission in 2021 and again in 2023 for additional gap funding, and november 2022 awarded a bond allocation. we refer to the project as single project in realty it is two separate buildings on two non contiguous blocks. of the 112 unit to be built across both blocks, 110 units will be available to households earning debetween 30-50 percent am i and two unit set

aside for manager units. 30 percent of the units are 3, 4 and 5 bedroom units. next slide, please. sorry, no--moving to financing and schedule. the development cost for the project is approximately $133 million, the resolution is up to $63 million and construction of the block 52 and 54 affordable housing will begin next month in may and expected to be completed by april 2025. next slide. in closing, i am joined by sarah white from joanthen rose company. we are happy to take questionsism the project is on track to close on construction financing and begin construction immediately after next month's in may and we thank you for your consideration. >> thank you for your

presentation. supervisor safai. >> great. thank you. this is very exciting at a time when there is such a strong need for affordable housing to see this move forward during these economic times where it so difficult to get financing in san francisco. this is phenomenal. i just had a question. just curious because i have never seen this in any project in the last 20 years. why did you guys decide to put one five bedroom? how did that happen? i have seen 4 bedrooms, but never seen a 5 bedroom proposed. just curious. and who is the lucky family that will get the one 5 bedroom? >> i don't know the specifics but i believe the unit sizes were determined-in response to community needs but also i believe our commission- >> ocii? >> right. >> got it. very in

usual. >> (indiscernible) >> so, is there anyone representing that was involved in the community process so we can get some feedback? >> good morning. housing program manager for ocii and jasmine is right, the commissioners are interested in insuring we have larges beroom sizes. we initially had two and cost purposes had to bring it back down to one 5bedroom. also, we are including in some of the shipyard development replacement housing units to replace larger size units at al ice griffith and replaced all the units on site reflective of the needs of the house holds on site and also require to replace the exact

bedroom count within the area, so this project-we scattered throughout some of our projects in the surrounding area, so we meet that requirement as well. but we did replace all the units on site at alice griffith as well. >> i understand, bedroom count is different from unit account rchl 2, 5 bedrooms could be two unit so curious how the conversation went down and how you landed on that. but anyway, it is a done deal. i was just very curious because there are trade-offs. definitely we put a lot of energy and over the last few years at the board and number of piece of legislations to require 2 and 3 bedrooms, and i understand as a former staffer that worked at the housing authority and commissioner, very familiar with all of the public housing units, but the idea to create a 5 bedroom

today just-one unit of that is just unusual. i was curious because it trade-off-you can break that into two units, so wanted to know what was going on. ultimately very excited. happy to-please add my name as cosponsor. i ink the this is a wonderful next phase of what's happening in that area, so appreciate staff and the company's hard work in making this happen, jonathan rose companies, plural. thank you. >> thank you. vice chair mandelman. >> thanks. congratulations and please add me as cosponsor. >> thank you. let's go to public comment for this item. [providing instructions for public comment]

seeing no in person speakers here in the chamber, and madam chair, we have no speakers in the queue. >> thank you. seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. i like it to move to full board with positive recommendation. mr. clerk, please call the roll. >> on the motion to forward the ordinance to full board with positive recommendation- [roll call] we have three ayes. >> thank you, the motion passes. colleagues, my apologies, it is my oversight when i called the items together. for item number 8, it was my oversight so did not adopt the bla recommendation, which that was

intention, so looks like i would need to resend the vote on item 8 and my apologies. mr. clerk, please-make the motion to rescind the vote on item 8. >> the motion to rescind the vote on item 8, the ordinance amending the salary ordinance to reflect additional two positions in office of public defender to support immigration legal defense for 2022-2023-motion to rescind- [roll call] we have three ayes. >> thank you, the motion passes. with that, i like to amend the item. i will do two action in one. i like to amend the item as mentioned and recommended by the budget legislative analyst and move the amended item to full board-i probably cannot do it

at once. let's amend the item first. please call the roll. >> on the motion to amend the ordinance to accept the bla recommendation to amend to the hiring date of may 1, 2023- [roll call] three ayes. >> thank you. the motion passes and now i like to move item 8 to full board with positive recommendation. please call the roll. >> on the motion to forward the ordinance to full board with positive recommendation as amended- [roll call] there are 3 aye s. >> thank you. the motion passes. mr. clerk, do we have any other business before us today? >> madam chair, that concludes your business. >> seeing no further business, we are adjourned. [meeting adjourned]

>> all right. what an exciting building. where all my department people? supervisor, welcome. >> okay. how are you? >> first of all, thank you all for being here a.m. san francisco mayor breed. and we are here at a building and a place that has been i would say decades in the making. many of us struggle with the bureaucracy of the city and the

frustration around the bureaucracy. i gotta admit a lot to do with the laws created at the board of supervisors including i did not create those complicated laws only lus to get rid of bureaucracy and happy top have supervisor engardio joining us here today because he, too, is someone who care busy making things easier for people to do business with the city and county of san francisco. you know what is frustrating is how hard when you have to do thing in a permit center or apply for things and you go through the process and not only does the city make it too difficult for to you go throughout press they make you pay for it. and part of what i wanted to do with a lot of changes to our structure is to the try to clear out the bureaucracy, make it easy approximate simple. i remember when i was on the board of supervisors and every

year we would honor small businesses. what was interesting is most of those small businesses could not necessary low come and sit in the chamber all day because in many case they were the 1 who is owned the business and ran the business. and part of what we have done in 2020 which i was proud of exit know an initial mall business ordinance are joining us here today; i think ben was a part of the commercial got fame from us this commercial when we introduced and put prospect heart attack on the ballot to stream line the process for small businesses in san francisco. and let me tell you what that means. during the pandemic, so many businesses had to pivot from being one business to another in order to survive. in the past, before prospect h, it could take months. sometimes up to 2 years and at the same time when you are trying to go from for example, a clothing hop to a cafe or

another use. the process it would take to do that while you are still paying rent, still paying water bill, still paying electric and the city all the fees and everything else, you are not generating money and the process is just really set up to see our businesses fail. so when we talk about how we care about mall businesses, what is most important to me is to make sure that we are listening to those same small businesses and impelementing the change to make it easier. now we are seeing extraordinary things happen. pandemic challenged us like never before am many of the businesses specific low with our mall business this is have comellow the doors to make changes to their businesses, they went from waiting months and sometimes 2 years to change their use to doing it over the counter within a day. because that is how it should

be. if you want to change for example, from a clothing shop to a coffee shop and want a change in use and it is permit in the that neighborhood, why do you have to go through a lengthy press to do it? you shouldn't. you should be able to move forward that's number one. you know what i'm talking b. you are like all i want to do is sell plants now the pandemic everybody is a plant parent. so i want to sell plant and coffee and sometimes you could not do that in the same location. and those other things we need to change. we need to get creative. we need to make it easy for people to do business in the san francisco and especially when we talk about how much we support small businesses and on top of that, when we see in many of our neighborhood/commercial corridors. we see many vacancies. when i was on the board, i go

back because of my relationship with small businesses, i remember this one ice cream place that had to wait over 2 years. had to continue to pay rent and the final straw that almost broke the camel's back a 250 thousand dollars bill this will needed to be paid up front to turn on the water. and i thought, this is criminal. for a small business to come up with all this money. mall businesses that don't have investors in some case. this need to hire staff. and what i was proud of last year is when we along with the board of supervisors introduced money in the budget to allow for the first year free. so we are waiving all of the various fees -- for people who want to start their businesses and bill, who has a great thai restaurant will talk about her experience and being able to

benefit from that program. but the point is, we are trying to make the city work efficiently. we know we are not perfect. it has been working a bit inefficient for a time. and i than it has been challenging for a lot of the city workers here because when they are doing is they are following the law this is we introduce this we get paddled. and they are doing the best jobs they can to provide you with as much information to make sure that you get through this process efficiently so you do what you need to do with plans to open your business. deal with housing, or had have you. i want to thank the various city agencies and departments and employees here today from the help desk to many of the folks with the hole crew up there. many of the people who work for the planning departmentful department of building inspection. from small business commission.

the fire department. there are so many layers to this. now we have reproductive services in this building. i don't know but, all the things you want printed and printed right away instead of going to another building you get it here >> went from 5 building guess here and mission street to having a one stop shop in this building. and it is amazing. i'm so happy. i know everything is not perfect. so i strongly suggest that as you go through this process if there are suggestions that anyone wants it make our small businesses here today. feel free. in the meantime know the goal of this center has everything to do with efficiency. and i want to appreciate rodney fong with the sudden fran chamber of commerce. ma sud with council district merchants. so many small business leaders and folks from every walks of

life. people manny on the mt aboard but owns a great cafe. and we got so many people who want to see businesses in san francisco succeed. they have been an important part of providing feedback, making the recommendations and now we are implementing many of the ideas to make sure that business is successful in san francisco. and -- that also includes the director of small business who used to be a supervisor who is also an important part of make happening recommendations to change policies to make it easy. i want to thank katy tang for her work with the mall business commission. [applause]. and i want to say to the assessor recorder joaquin torres don't reassess people and get more money. in taxes from our small businesses. let them have time to do well for a couple years before you go and ask them for more money.

can you commit to that? [laughter] assessor recorder joaquin torres. the point of us here today is to celebrate the success this is we made in order to make adjustments to mech it easier to do small businesses. i also. to take a moment before i introduce our city add administrator carmen chu to just also mention the housing for all plan. because this is a center not just for mall businesses but i center people will come to get permits and the things than i need for so many things if you want a picnic and birthday party, you get this is one stop shop permitting. a festival, this is where you come. it is also the accomplice people come who are building housing or -- doing some stuff to their homes and all the different things. in san francisco we have a plan housing for all and we are going

to push forward a number of changes to make it more efficient to get the plans approved and get housing built firefighter in san francisco. we have a requirement under the state to build 82,000 units of housing in san francisco in the next 8 years. you know what that means if we do this right? that means the city employees who work in this permit center can ford to live in san francisco. [applause] some of the people coming can live in san francisco if we do this right and make it efficiently we cut become on the costs. we create an influx of housing. have 50,000 units already approved in the pipeline and we have to make it easier and starts with our city bureaucracy, permitting process and everything we need to do to get san francisco on the right path.

more how longs built. small businesses open and make people happy when they leave the doors and feel that when they are opening their business and doing anything in san francisco they feel good about how this process works. and this process was not about saying, no to everything. it was getting to yes and ensuring the success of small businesses, housing and everything we do that makes san francisco an amazing city for all of us to enjoy. and with that i want to introduce next up, our city add administrator, carmen chu. [applause]. >> thank you, mayor breed i want to thank everybody who joined us and especially our mir for her vision and her steadfast focus making sure san francisco is headed in the right direction with make sure we support small businesses and making sure we continue to build the pipeline of house thanksgiving we need. so i want to thank the mayor for her continued commitment.

for folks who may not have been the permit cent open in the 2020. many did not know this building opened. we are happy to welcome you to the building for the first time in this way it introduce the work we do here. as we opened update facility we started to roll out more services. in 2021, and in 2022, we provided 50,000 different customers about 150,000 different service throughout permit center here. applause is great. [applause]. a lot of people are coming throughout facility. to step back the vifthz center was a simple one. that was just to say, the process that we have and how people are able to get a building permit. get different business permits and approvals to open up and dot things they want top do in the city is really hard.

people went to 5 different building in the city. whether city hall or 1155 market street or 1650 or 1650 mission. people were going all over to open a business. we have 13 departments. there are now colocated here in the permit center. this one stop shop is the beginning. the idea is simple. bring together all of the different departments and the different processes that are involved in permit nothing one house, one space so you don't have to be thrown around the city to figure out how to get your work done. but not only that, make sure that when people are together we figure out a way to help our departments collaborate. speak better and figure out how we remove all the impedimentses and presses we layered on. the process we have now was not manage that was done over night. it was done through decades of new processes that got layered upon each other. layers of different lus that got

put in decade by decade. we have to look and do the nerdy work of figure outside what was is broken. where bottle necks are and removing those so you get your stores open earlier and homes built and make sure we have a thriving san francisco. i thank the folks that made this possible. but know this this is the first install am of our commitment to make sure or processes are better. with that i want to introduce a champion to the causes supervisor joel engardio. [applause] >> thank you. you know what city hall needs to do to help mall businessesent prix nurse and creators? role out the red tape and i really messed that up? oh. i had this great line in my head and i messed it up.

we need to roll out the red carpet and cut the red tape to help small businesses, artisans and creators in san francisco. you know if you have i good idea you should not come to city hall to have that die by regulation and bureaucracy. we don't know which good idea will save our local economy. we need to roll up that red carpet and cut that red tape so your idea has the run way to sore and a beacon, come to san francisco because we woman it. thank you so much for everything the mayor and carmen chu or add administrator and katy tang is doing, too, to roll out the red carpet for all of our mall businesses. thank you. [applause]. >> all right. good morning, everyone and thank you for being here. we are so excited partner with

the mayor on making over 100 changes to the planning code and thank you to director hill us of planning department and the commission for working with us on this to make it easier for small businesses to open and expand in san francisco and for all of us to fill the commercial vacancies we see in streets. mayor said, you know looking around you see shops that offer things like coffee and plants all in the same space. before that was not allowed we want to expand that to most of the rest of the city. right now half the city allows those flexible uses to work together. and so, we are excited. we did the nerdy work to look at what we heard had was being said by owners when we go on merchant walk and had they want to see change in the city and how this translated to changes made to the planning code and others. we are excited for this journey

ahead. i want to shout out to our incredible office of mall business team who supports so many businesses around 2,000 and 3,000 businesses per year on cases and exploration of you know ways they can expand or open in the city. and so i think they are upstairs morgan and rachael. shout out to the new small business permit specialists. [applause] who just started a year ago and worked on 870 cases since they started a year ago march of 22. amazing and to all the expediters. cover your ears they are here so small businesses don't have to hire more money. we are here to help you get through the process quickly and help you start on your journey faster to open your business. with that, i'd like to also a upon nouns that we have billie who is the owner of head tai chi

who opened up and excited have her join us here and share her journey of opening a small business in san francisco. thank you. [applause] i'm very excited. first i would like to thank you, everyone. i i'm bill from tie thailand i came with a droll to hope a restaurant in san francisco. i never done this before. first day i arrive i have no one i'm here all alone i came to permit center to ask the small business center what i do do if i want to open the restaurant. they give me every answer i need ton. they gave mow a step i do from 100 step and today i had my restaurant and it is doing very

well on financial district in san francisco. [applause] thank you very much. thank you this is a big, big opportunity and it is made my dream come true. all the process starts on december 2022. and i opened my restaurant in january only take a month. the permit. the process what is done in an among. i'm here i have no one help. i'm here to ask permit to get my sign up and everything was done in a day. it was really, really good. i get a one year free program. everything is super easy. which is i -- even i'm so surprised and i get a lot of support from every stop and pireally appreciate it and i would want to say to everybody who have a dream who want to

open their restaurant, mall business or whatever you have in your idea, this is the right moment. this is the time for start and if i am foreigner who came with knowing anyone can do it and i believe everybody can do it as well. thank you very much. [applause]. >> thank you. bill that he is exciting, right this . is had we want to help in our city. we want it to be easy. we want it to be convenient. because here is the thing, bill's success is our city success. fact that she is doing so well with her business means that it can only grow and potentially expand to other businesses. and that means more financial support for the city. that means more people this she hires to work in her business. we understand the economic impact but we also understand

what i feel is the most important thing. it represents the vibrance and he uniqueness and diversity and creditivity of when makes san francisco a special place. that is why we have to make sure that everything that we do involves trying to get to, yes. trying to get on a solution. trying to make people's lives happy and more rewarding and successful. in a challenging place. beautiful amazing complex place like san francisco. i'm happy to be here with all of you here today to celebrate the permit center. to celebrate small businesses and celebrate all the things we plan to do to make things more efficient so we get on a better accomplice in our economic recovery of san francisco and i want to thank all of you for being here our small business commissioners and various small businesses the w does not stop here. it will continue. as i said, proviedz your input

and feedback, we take that seriously it make decisions about what can be done to be successful in san francisco. and i'm very excited about the fact that we also make the jam permit easy for artists to get. if you want a coffee shop that has pleasants for sale and bodes and crystals and wants a guitarist to perform you can do that in one location. we think that -- well, was that happening already. it was not. now it is. and that's when we have been able to do. that is an example of things i love in one place and when the city needs to become for small businesses all over the city. thank you very much for being here. [applause]. -

>> shop & dine in the 49 promotes local businesses and challenges resident to do their showing up and dining within the 49 square miles of san francisco by supporting local services within the neighborhood we help san francisco remain unique successful and vibrant so where will you shop & dine in the 49 san francisco owes must of the charm to the unique characterization of each corridor has a distinction permanent our neighbors are the economic engine of the city. >> if we could a afford the lot by these we'll not to have the

kind of store in the future the kids will eat from some restaurants chinatown has phobia one of the best the most unique neighborhood shopping areas of san francisco. >> chinatown is one of the oldest chinatown in the state we need to be able allergies the people and that's the reason chinatown is showing more of the people will the traditional thepg. >> north beach is i know one of the last little italian community. >> one of the last neighborhood that hadn't changed a whole lot

and san francisco community so strong and the sense of partnership with businesses as well and i just love north beach community old school italian comfort and love that is what italians are all about we need people to come here and shop here so we can keep this going not only us but, of course, everything else in the community i think local businesses the small ones and coffee shops are unique in their own way that is the characteristic of the neighborhood i peace officer prefer it is local character you have to support them. >> really notice the port this community we really need to kind of really shop locally and

support the communityly live in it is more economic for people to survive here. >> i came down to treasure island to look for a we've got a long ways to go. ring i just got married and didn't want something on line i've met artists and local business owners they need money to go out and shop this is important to short them i think you get better things. >> definitely supporting the local community always good is it interesting to find things i never knew existed or see that that way. >> i think that is really great that san francisco seize the vails of small business and creates the shop & dine in the 49 to support businesses make people all the residents and visitors realize had cool things are made and produced in san

>> welcome everyone. thank you so much for joining me today. the round table discussion. i actually have background in youth work. worked in china town before so having you four

from youth commission join today is very interesting to hear your thoughts and concerns and what you are talking about from the youth commission and your generation your thoughts. let's get into it. start with introductions. your name. grade rkts school. and what lead you to become into the youth commission? could start with emily. >> so, my name is emily, she her pronouns. (inaudible) in san francisco. and i joined the youth commission because growing up i relied on public transportation and a lot of community organizations such as (inaudible) and through these organizations they introduced me to a lot of community organizing movements happening and that is when i learned of the youth commission because my friend was also on it at the time and i was interested because i saw a benefited from a lot of public service in san

francisco and wanted to insure all youth in san francisco could have opportunities to benefit from these services as well and these services would be available to everyone. that's when i applied to the youth commission and i joined and that's where i got to learn so much about like how local government works and how i could contribute my voice to make better opportunities for all youth in san francisco. >> nice. how long have you been on the youth commission? >> i joined in 20 21 and this is my second term. >> normally the youth commission, what's the age range? >> youth ages 12-23. >> wow! you can be out of high school and on the commission? >> yeah. we have college students and we used to have middle school students on the youth commission too but now they are a freshman in high school. >> nice. awesome. >> (inaudible) >> ewen a senior at san francisco high school. i joined the youth commission. i

had beener interested in san francisco politics freshman in high school and volunteered on local political campaign and district attorney election and got into that process, and from there did more campaigning and got into youth advocacy and activism in the city. and from there i sort have (inaudible) city hall on certain issues and wanted to be on the flip side and see what i could do in city hall for young people and a voice for young people and are the youth commission was the perfect opportunity for that so why i decided to apply. thankfully i was appointed. >> great. how many years have you been on? >> second term as well so beginning september 2021. >> every turm is one year? >> yeah, because people age out so quickly and people go away for college so we try to make it like a school year roughly. >> okay. nice. thank you. >> hi. i'm hayden.

i'm a junior this year at (inaudible) my first term on the commission but what drew me to it is like emily i have always been super fascinated by public transportation. since i was two years old i had a baby sitter and she couldn't get a driver license so would take the bus everywhere and it was fascinating to see all the people and places i could go around the city and just as i got older i would explore more and more but realized that you know, like, it is not as simple as buses driving around and i can be involved in getting more buses out there, having more places to go to and like i think especially when the pandemic happened and all government meetings moved on line it was a lot more accessible for me so i was able to pgo and make public

comment and see had all the presentations, see all the people on commissions and stuff and also had several friends who had been on the youth commission in the past so i just saw it as a great opportunity for me to advocate for young people, because i feel we have a lot of needs and sometimes it isn't always represented. >> thank you. >> hi, i'm yoselin. a senior at urban school of san francisco. this is my first term in the youth commission. similar to everyone else said, i have been interested in politics and public policy and how legislation is made. i are worked for someone who worked with supervisor ronan, he really-i was fascinated with what he gets to do in his job and the issues he gets to work on and people he gets to speak. this is a great opportunity to test what you are

interested in and so i applied and got in and very happy. >> how many total in the youth commission? one per district? >> yes, one per district and 5 from the mayor. >> there is 11 supervisor ones and 6 from mayor office, 5 of it which are specifically for minority community representation and one is appointee so 17 total. >> 17. great. >> (inaudible) one of the bigger commissions in the city, but because youth is everyone at some point in life, every community has youth, it is important to have enough seats to have a voice for communities and their different needs on the youth commission. >> for sure. let's get into the nitty-gritty of it. i really interested to hear some of the concerns that either the youth commission is talking about now or even you yourselves personally

what concerns are you trying to like advocate for and stuff like that? who would like to start? >> i guess i can start. before joining the youth commission i'm involved in housing and mass incarceration crimial justice system. i knew these were topics i wanted to discuss and bring up so i'm also on individual committees so two main topics is youth incarceration and substance abuse and gun violence and-yeah. those are the main issues we are talking about. >> for youth incarceration, what are some of the topics? is it more about the resources putting or not putting into it or is it- >> yeah. one main thing now is talking about juvenile justice center. forget the street. and, i think woodside and por tolla. >> it was supposed to be closed last year and has not because there is a lot of uncertainty about what is supposed

to happen. i recently spoke to chief miller the probation officer at the center, so discussing ways we can support them to get that closed and have more equitable resources for the youth who are currently inside still and relying on community members and families and friends instead of like abusive and harmful police officers and the justice system. >> is sthr racial disparities in the youth incarceration? >> yeah. what i heard from the meeting there is currently like 14 youth inside. they range in age but it is all like people of color and people from low income families who are usually the ones more involved in the crimial justice system. >> i read somewhere that like perhaps there could be more money put into the

communities to help low income or kids being not targeted but don't have as much opportunities and end up in those places. >> yeah. >> versus putting money in- >> i think it is better to fund organizations and programs. i think emily you mentioned you are in break through, i'm in the smart program help afford education and help get to college and teach them and offer activities so they have more resources and opportunities for their future. just like putting more money into programs activities and things that like shift youth experiences to a more positive one. >> any other concern? >> i can add on. i think you all said investing in youth early is really important

rather then focus on punishment. i think that goes unsaid. break through helped so much in the education. if not for breakthrough and summer program jz tutorer and mentorship they offered which my parents couldn't offer me i don't know where i would be. i think community organizations like break through and after school programs funded by the city are so important supporting youth early and insure they dont go down the wrong pact. coming from under resourced neighborhoods and first generation it was very hard to carve my own path so finding mentorship in organizations like this is important and crucial to my personal development. >> i say the science behind it too backs up the testimony. violence-i do a lot of work in gun violence prevention and programs are often more successful then police

are in preventing gun violence in our city. obviously both are a part of the equation, but i think that we have seen a lot of investment. we have seen them be quise successful and i know i am and think everyone on the commission is interested in looking how to support those programs and have them work specifically with youth as well and get young people into the program early before they have a opportunity to be put into these situations that cause violence to occur. >> yeah. >> i just say also like the education system plays a big part because it is great we have a lot of community organizations, but sometimes it can't always be the most accessible so one thing we are working on is expanding outreach and access so people know about these problems and also within our education system i was looking

at data in regards to suspensions and expelgz and similar to juvenile justice center it is overwhelmingly student of color and lower income students effected by that as well as students who are often miss school and there is a lot of reasons for that. some relate to transportation and such. it is just been exacerbated by have distance learning. not everybody had the same access to technology and such to stay connected and engaged in their education during that time. >> i'll add on, i feel when people think about issues like youth not attending school or not doing homework or committing these petty crimes, there is often a moralization and everyone is like they are just bad people. they have the wrong intentions, they are messing up the city, but i think it is just generally very important to investigate the root causes. a lot of these kids come from under

resourced naerbd s and have-for a lot of people it is means of survival so so important to look beyond the surface and no there is no need to moralize these situations. these kids don't have other solutions so it is important to look at the root cause and see how to address prevention rather then punishment and suspension and removal from school. >> it is funny talking about resources and schools. i'm often surprised how many good community organizations are like i don't know how to reach young people and i'm like have you been going to schools, the place where young people all have to pgo during the day? i think i also feel schools dont realize that they have the opportunity to provide resources to young people. they are allowed to connect with outside resources and bring them in and use them as well. that is something i'm hoping to encourage on the youth commission as well. >> right. usually it

is outside -i dont want to say non profit but the-schools themselves are [multiple speakers] >> teachers have become social workers for young people. >> which is why prop g is such a great proposition. i think it is $60 million. increases over time but $60 million goes to public schools for activities, classes, nurses, therapist to support students, which is great. which is what we need. >> yeah. just add on to that or the question, because i know high schools have counselors and probably i don't know if mental health specialists, but do middle schools and elementary schools in the city have that? >> i think it depends on the institution. i am very fortunate to go to private middle school and high school. i did go to public elementary school and there is a

huge gap in education and resources available in public and private. i can't speak to that now. >> it has been a huge burden. recently both our school nurse and our school wellness coordinator left and there was an iligez to the fact it was connected to the pay roll issues occurring with sfusd and not just that but they are already paid much less then other public school districts private school districts, like for nurses if they were to work somewhere else so it is really hard to attract people to work in these schools and we don't budget enough positions in the first place. now we have 7 school counselors for like a body of 3,000 kids and you can think of the kids that have questions about college and classes to take to graduate. it is just not enough resources in the schools. i

went to sfusd middle school and we had one counselor for each grade level, but it just really isn't enough and a lot of schools-it kind of-there is pto or lowel-able to fund a second librarian or nurse the full week opposed to 2 and a half days so if you get injured monday, you got a nurse, but tuesday you are out of luck. that's something happening in the schools and i just feel that is crazy because they don't have a affluent enough pta to fund the nurse. that should be basic. we shouldn't have to ask for donations to fund a school nurse. >> that ties into the mental health issues people are facing. covid was detrimental

to everyone but especially young people who spnt hours a day online and away from mental health support in a really difficult time and i think people are beginning to realize now how important those services are. i think there is work to do but advocase hads been relatively successful in san francisco getting more support for mental health but there is a huge gap we are now catching up with. it was never priority before the pandemic and beginning to become one now but there are so many young people struggling and waiting for support and frankly often falling through the cracks of the system that is supposed to help them. >> yeah. speaking from an older person, no mental helt what so ever in anything growing up so to talk in the progress is like huge, but of course it isn't enough still. >> there is also

stigma depending on your race and religion whether mental health is a real thing. >> and also what your mental health condition is too. >> right. >> i think mental health issues always existed but the pandemic brought to light all the really bad things happening. not exacerbated i feel no one was talking about mental health before the pandemic and i think often times like you said, a lot of the services are not offered in school so i think in general there is a wide disconnect from students and services, whether that is service in schools or community organizations. all these services exist but students don't know how to access them so there needs to be a better way to connect students to everything that can support them. >> another concern possibly-you brought up gun violence, is that another concern you all have? >> just i think just yesterday the new york times posted a

story about how it is officially over-taken any other cause for deaths for young people in the united states . >> 19 percent. >> it used to be car deaths and now number one is gun violence. >> gun violence. also the racial disparities there are incredible too. and concerning. i do a lot of work on gun violence prevention. of course there is need for federal action. we are not go toog solve the gun violence crisis until we see senate and house pass safety legislation that prevents gun getting in the hands of dangerous people but there are actions on the local and state level. eve enin california even in liberal san francisco that can help save lives, particularly around things like safe storage of guns. i wrote a resolution on the commission urging all san francisco schools to send home

safe storage information and just recently a stay law passed that require schools to send home safe storage information for firearms. violence intervention programs are incredibly important to help end this crisis: building the community relations. and also mental health is a big part. access to a gun increases-i dont know what the statistic is off the top of my head, but gun (inaudible) in killing the person then any other form of suicide and it is so irreversible. that access to guns can exacerbate the issues too and someone who might be struggling today and tomorrow but in two years from now would be in a much better place with support and medication they need there is a irreversebal thing they can do with a gun then they can in other ways of hurting themselves. >> is it the norm to have drills at school?

>> yeah. it is scary having to like go through that process. >> the data actually-it is unclear but also pretty clear that having these drills doesn't actually save lives. we now in the united states have enough data points of school shootings in schools that have lock down drills and that don't have lock down drills that frankly doesn't make much a difference. there are other policies and things we could work on that are less traumatizing to kids as well that would be better use of time and resources then lock down trills. not advocating against them, but i think that isn't where our focus should necessarily be. >> haven't done it this year. it is interesting because i just think our school campus we

have so many kids and people wander on and off. i are try not to think about it, but it is a thought in my head, anybody can wander on to here. >> i think it is crazy. ever since sandy hook i literally started doing lock down drills in third grade before i even started sex ed. i think growing up and having to do that every year was really traumatizing. this could happen to me any day so it is scary and seeing gun violence get worse as i grow up not even an adult it is terrifying. >> too many times i walked out of school and checked my phone and see a story of kids like me in a classroom like me all day being shot and killed in the classroom. it is astonish to walk of the last class of the day and check the news and see that whether it is in michigan and texas and here in

california, relatively random it was that school. it very much could have been your school. that is something we can't-there is a feeling of helplessness around that too i think. >> there was the story about the kid campaigning for (inaudible) he got shot. >> 13 year old i believe. >> campaigning for warnack. i have been the kid in freshman year volunteering on a local political campaign and lots of people dont like campaigns. that is reasonable, i get it. having a gun in the situation made that 10 times worse. >> right. yeah. >> i was like not knocking on doors just like walking up and hanging door fliers this election and in the back of my head, i thought about what if somebody like thinks i'm stealing a package or break into their house? >> (inaudible) >> especially i feel

in some more afffluent neighborhoods i see next door, they are like this teenager is walking up to my door and must be up to no good. it was a thought in my head. i was like dang, maybe it isn't a gun, maybe it is a dog or they have something on me. >> this is not-i think people think we are in san francisco, we don't have the issue as much. especially in poor communities and communities of color, this is a consistent issue that we are still facing and a lot has to do with the fact san francisco policies don't cover parts of the state and country as well. san francisco lead the way with the ghost gun ban. ghost guns are guns you can buy online and put together yourself that don't require a serial number which gets rid of any system of keeping track of guns we have in the country, and we were the

first city to actually make that illegal and in california fallowed through with that as well. selling of that was illegal. it is things like that, all these ways gun manufacturers and gun industry is going around the policies that we put in place that is continuing the issue. especially with the gun violence we see on the e streets every day. there are school shootings acrauz the country and many more kids shot walking home because they live in a community of color that had this consistent issue. it is an astonishing thing and it uniquely american issue as well. >> i guess as the youth commission, what actually do you feel you could bring up or advice-because obviously there are many topics that have a lot of issues, but the gun

violence just hits home i everyone, especially for me and everything. as a youth commission, how do you go about that? >> well, i don't know much about the ghost gun ban but our job is advice the mayor and board of supervisors on issues related to youth. we can't solve the issue of gun violence in a night, two nights but i think what we can do is urge local policy makers to take action and i think by the local government taking action we can inspire the state government, inspire the federal government and that is how change works so i think everything we can do to inspire our local elected officials to take action on things like the ghost gun ban can inspire more counties and states and just the world in general. >> we can bring up any topic. any issue to the board of superrisers and the mayor and whether they take our recommendation or not, we can still push them and urge them to do something about

it, so they can't ignore us, they have to realize this is what the youth are writing about and what they like us to do, we have to do something. >> it is fun because the youth commission in san francisco and relatively unique to san francisco as well. it is part of our city charter so they legally can't ignore us. they don't have to take our recommendations [multiple speakers] they have to read the resolutions and talk about the issues and think most people in san francisco are open to work wg the youth commission. there is power behind that and that is where a lot of advocacy work we do gets its power. >> also, there is many board of supervisors care about us and care about the work that we are bringing up, so it isn't like they are just not reading our-or caring. they actually do care about the issues and read them and consider them. >> it is really unique, because a lot of supervisors just like reach out to us and

are like hey, what do you feel about bike parking and they care about what you say. >> they offer resources or do you want to speak to this person or let me introduce you to this organization. they really do want to help us continue our work and really expand what we know. >> the mayor recognizes me places now. that is how you know you are making a im pact, that is that kid. her office is very open to work wg the youth commission as well and i appreciate-i don't think i can think of a supervisor or mayor office that isn't open to us and listening to our concerns. >> it isn't like they just want to take our feedback for their benefit, they want to help you grow as a person. multiple offices offered me internships and different opportunities to be in this ad or help

write this legislation or be in the video and that is unique because they want to see you grow as a person and follow all your dreams. literally the senator was asking what college i wanted to go to and if they could help in any way so very sweet. >> sometimes i look at the youth commission and like, these people are going to be on the board of supervisors in 20 years. this is good we are learning now and doing this now, because we are the next generation of leaders of the city. i really do believe that. of the country. >> any other concerns? >> i think big issue we are also thinking about is young people and it is kind of upon us in some ways but climate change. there is talk recently about the great highway and we will have to close a portion of it in 2025 because it is literally crumbleing into the ocean. this is real

and here now. there is a lot of the city is very ambitious when it comes to setting vision and policies. we have vision zero that in two years i think at this point we want to eliminate all traffic fatalities of people walking across the street, get hit by a car and essentially made no progress since it started. we want 20percent of trips in the city people making them by bicycle and we are just not making any progress on all these goals we set out in terms of climate change so it can be frustrating but that motivates me. we set what our values are and how we make sure our policies and decisions we make day to day, make sure those align with what we are actually saying that we value. >> and that's replicated across so many issues of san francisco. we love to be this progressive icon but

sometimes when you get down to the nitty-gritty we are not making the progress on issues we need. we are not setting the transformative policies that need to be done. transit is a great example with vision zero. >> i agree. i think the city can be very performative and also like-it is like they say they want one thing but they completely do something else and that just gets by-pass and don't think that is okay. also, i think specifically with climate change and transportation, there are so many neighborhood disparities people dont talk about like under resourced communities experience the climate change a lot worse then other communities and growing up in the bayview and excelsior and living near freeways and experiencing pollution and not able to bike in my neighborhood in fear of a car crash because of the narrow streets t is really horrible. we can't fix the issue in the weltier communities how do we

help the under served communities that experience the brunt of it? i also think people are so resistant to change. especially with the slow streets program which we have been looking into as a committee on the youth commission. the housing recreation and transit committee. we (inaudible) benefited youth in the city specifically overall, but still the mayor and other elected officials are resistant to it and afraid of change because we are such a car dominated city and think it is important to be optimistic about the future and be realistic but also like slow streets are helpful. this can actually get to where we want to go in terms of the climate goals and people need to consider that. >> it is kind of like in a sense feel a chicken and egg problem because before i used to be somebody that is mad like i don't understand why are people stuck in their cars but i feel a lot of issue, that is the system. we set up a system that if it will take me a hour to take the bus across

town or i will be all most hit by a car biking down a 40 mile per hour road, the obvious choice is to drive. that is the system we set up so it is hard to convince people that we know this is system and understand why you drive. we are not saying you are a bad person because you drive because there i think there are people out there who are like you are a horrible person because you drive a car and you are killing all the turtles and the children. that's the system we have, so we need to show people that there is a better way and we can get there and it will take a lot of time and there will be inconvenience but in the long run, if we sit and never change it isn't going to work. there has to be a little bit of inconvenience change, people will feel uncomfortable but if we stay stagnant it isn't going to work. >> i think that's

something that the youth commission has been pretty big on making people uncomfortable. elected officials [multiple speakers] i think specifically with free muni for all youth which the youth commission helped create. of course the sfmta was super uncomfortable and like how will we pay for transit for all youth. youth cant afford fares or drive how do you spect them to pay to get to school and their job and since we proposed it we have seen so many positive im pacts. youth and hop and ride for free. they have access to so many opportunities and i think that is so important. making people uncomfurtable and showing change is good and being resisant to change is unhethy. it makes us go in the wrong direction so making people uncomfortable and doing our job to hold them accountable creates positive im pact for the youth in the city. >> i think we make

each other uncomfortable too. >> you mean ear each other? >> i remember-we do a retreat before we begin every year to see where people's priorities are and meet each other and we had intentional uncomfortable conversations recognizing the privilege people hold, recognizing the backgrounds people have and how that impact s how they view the world as well. and think that is important and often missing from the conversations we have in the city. i often see two different groups about housing is the ultimate issue. people on one side saying we have issues of not approving and building more housing and people on the other side saying i'm concerned my neighborhood will get gent riifyed and lack of dialogue and be uncomfortable stops the progress. we have so

many unnecessary divides in the city especially in politics are the reason the issues are not being addressed. people in san francisco agree on the solution. we want to see less homelessness, less crime on the street, we want to see more people getting the services they need and more people getting stable housing, but because we are not willing to sit down with each other and made the strong divisions and so resistant to changing and changing our opinion as well i think that is a reason we are seeing so many san franciscans especially within the last couple elections have expressed this we keep voting on the issues. every politician promises to solve the problem in their own way but it is never getting solved. >> we also see people moving out of san francisco because we can't fix the problems. and those cities are being also like having more housing problems as well.

>> to add on, i think from not even two years i have been involved in san francisco politics i see so many patterns. the same prop every year and named a different prop. there is no change. that is why it is important to sit together and have conversation like this and i think that is why being involved in politics as youth has been such an enlighting experience. i it is uncomfortable but i think discomfort brings positive changeism i find arguing with other youth commissionsers. i realize blind sfauts and where i can im prove by listening to other people and think why youth involvement in politics is important because you are exposed to different perspective and your own perspective and it-you are like why do i think like that and have this opinion? that is a way i have grown on

the youth commission, being involved in the really intense discourse in san francisco and try to find myo perspective and being introspective with myself and other people. >> people are often ask me why are more young people not involved in san francisco politics ? there are a lot of people doing activism and organizing, young people in san francisco, but because when we have these conversations we try to put people into these groups like moderate and progressive and that isn't how issues work and that is such a toxic environment particularly fl young person who is also still trying to learn as well. i think i felt that on the youth commission. not between ourselves but outside the youth committee being put into a box and i am like i dont know where i lie. a big part of the youth commission is learning

about the issues. i don't come on the youth commission with a opinion on every issue. i had to do research and talk to people and hear different opinions in order to determine how i felt about something. we often don't give people the space to do that. >> i think in san francisco politics there is a need to put labels on people and especially i see with the whole board of ed stuff with the low admission policy, i remember i was in a internship and they reallyb expected me to have opinions right away about how i felt about issues. i'm a ayouth and learning how to have my own perspect and engage. i think with the low admission there is a thing like if you believe we should do lottery emission then you are progressive but if not you are moderate. i think the labeling is bad because confining people in a box makes you question-that's

not healthy discourse. you are labeling them. that is toxic. >> and there are only two options. we can do- >> politics isn't multiple choice. >> i think the low admission system is problematic but doesn't mean i want to get rid of it entirely. there is middle ground and im provements that could be made and we dont allow for that. >> do you guys feel as youth especially with climate change i guess, but is a lot of pressure as youth to-not that you solve it but it is your problem? do you feel more pressure? >> of course. i feel there is a problem with putting all the pressure on people instead of company who are the most responsible for toxic air emissions and things like that. telling us to stop using plastic straws but the

big companies use plastic bags and plastic containers. there is a definitely pressure on youth to fix the problem because the older people are like we will not by in the world much longer, so why do we have to fix anything? >> crazy how connected every issue is. i was in richmond the ort day which is very under served community and they center the big chevron refinely and smoke in the air and with the free way is by. i think everything is so connected and we need to do so much. when we talk earlier about people getting to school, transportation is a big part and free muni. everything is interconnected. it is crazy. it is like hard sometimes to-i know this is a issue we need to do something about it but it is hard to really-you do need to figure out the root cause of

everything and-but i think what yoselin said is true. it is hard to like when there is a drought and they tell me shave a minute off my shower, i'm like okay, but there are all these people growing live stock and agriculture using millions tons more water. in some ways i understand there is a personal aspect to it, but we need more big policy changes. i can't solve this alone and think that is something the commission shows is really like-i didn't come into this work as a part of any big groups or organizations, i was just kind of like doing my own thing and then like kind of like when the pandemic happened there was kind of like this like coalition of people came together to like save muni service and that is when i thought we were getting results and i'm like, this has

to be something we all like come together and work on. i think young people actually like realize that and that's one of the great things is we see this is like a horrible thing, but in some ways unifys us. we all have to deal with this problem so we need to work with each other and move past any labeling of i don't like this person because they are a moderate and i'm a progressive. it is kind of uniting in a weird way. >> to add to hayden's point, that is why individualism is a big problem in the capital ist society because everyone is like you can do this by yourself and be successful and solve the world problem but since i joined the youth commission i have been introduced to people power. we are so much more power when we are collective and work together and think about the system rather then our own self-and the youth system taught me to think beyond myself and the world

in general. that is something so unique i never found in any other institution. that is why people should teach kids in school. they should teach them to graduate, make as much money as possible, do whatever you want, buy the biggest house, a mansion, make a family. they should teach kids to feel responsible for the world and im pact they make on the world and that is what the youth commission taught me and it has been the most meaningful life lessen i learned. >> it is funny how often an adult will come up to me or in the youth commission in general and say i'm so glad you are the future. you will solve our problems. you will be part of the solution. these people work in city government too. your job is to solve the issues. i'm part of the solution too, but you can't just give that to our generation. that is expectation we feel the im pact of climate change so therefore we need to solve it. we can't

solve gun violence until young people demand it from the state legislators. you need to be part of the solution too. we need to bridge the gap between youth and adults as well. a big thing i believe in is coalition building across divides. there are things that yoselin and i don't don't agree on and with vote against each other. at the same time we need to work hand in hand to solve the issues we do. and like hayden was saying, there is a thing i dont want to work with this person because we disagree on this issue. >> you need that. >> you can disagree on the issue and also agree on this issue and need to work together to get it done. >> i think that is another thing with teaching youth these things in schools. these are really important life skills. leadership is important life skill. collaboration across divides is important life skill and taught me so much as a person being able to

debate with all these different people. me and you argue a lot, but- >> we are great friends by the way. >> we are really great friends but have been able to do meaningful things together and that is something we should include in the education system challenging youth to think beyond their own perspective and work with people they disagree with and i think leadership opportunities like that should be provided all across the city so we can cultivate the next generation of leaders that will change the world. >> there is this term that being used a lot by the younger generation. it is funny for sure, and but i want to ask what does okay boomer, that term, what does that mean? what is the meaning? obviously i don't know if you can explain where it came from, but what does it mean and really mean i guess, if there is a real meaning to it. anybody want to explain what okay boomer is? >> kind of a

millennial thing i think. >> i don't know. i'm somebody who is on twitter and see it a lot there. it is like- >> any social media platform you see it. >> it is something that we'll say in response to-sometimes there is a lot of we do face people or adults who they might straight up disagree with us, but they might be people who they say they agree and say i really want to help you and do the opposite. they don't really put their money where their mouth is so to speak, so it is like calling them out like okay--i think it is kind of like seeing sometimes people say look at you, you guys are all entitled or the lazy generation or whatever and they see us as being rude to them by saying okay boomer, but the realty is, it is kind-they dont

value us. i don't get respect from you so why am i going to go and support whatever you want or agree with whatever you say? i feel like-there is this weird twisted power structure. they always tell you respect your elders but you don't respect me, so-- >> there is a huge gap between adults and youth now a days. they like don't like care about our ideas or think you are still too young. we had more life experiences. we have been in school longer and seen more so you don't understand and can't speak about this. that might be maybe true but also our opinions matter and we have been through things and seen things and you should like care about our opinions as well. okay, boomer. >> interesting, it is a funny neme but speaks to the issue of how much space our different generations taking up

in the conversation and gen z is willing to demand space then others and political movements. >> gen-z is-late 90 to early 2010? >> yeah are. i think everyone on the youth commission now is gen z. >> gen z has stereo type of, never experienced no internet. >> addicted to technology. very loud. >> yeah. they also say a social justice warrior. >> yeah. [laughter] >> some of the stereo types. >> the best thing gen z when needed we come together and unit and fight for what we need and want. >> just fed up. i think there is a push within our generation to be like guys, this is so dumb.

adults arguing over the issues, 40, 50 years and so over it and need to move on and solve the issues instead of talk about them and think that is true on the local state and national level and globally. >> i was just going to say, i feel like the term okay boomer is a justification for the massive divides that exist between our generations and we have seen that because there are so many technology advancements happening so it is created wide divides between us and the generation before us but i don't think using the term is a okay to justify that. we don't have to work with these people. we do have to work with these people to achieve meaningful change. these people make the decisions that effect our every day lives and if they don't have perspective how we are im pacted no change will get made and i think that is quhie why the youth commission is so

important because the mayor district supervisors, they make decisions on everything that effect our lives so why it is important to have a voice in city hall because they need to work for us to create better outcomes for all youth in san francisco. >> i think it is important to recognize there is a lot we have to learn as well. i think part of okay boomer can be dismissive of generational knowledge that we need to get as well. i think it is possible to both demand change from a generation and learn lessens from them at the same time. >> right. >> has anyone said it? >> i never used it. >> we use it as a joke. >> we use it against each other. i don't think i have been told a person okay boomer. >> i thought it in my head. i feel a lot of times there is a like thing where like it is like a form of like gas lighting. we have a personal experience and like that's my experience and i'll share that with people and the first thing they tell me is stats dont

support that. my experience doesn't support that. that shouldn't have happened and try to dismiss me. my personal experience can't possibly be valid because they have done research that may or may not be valid. maybe their research didn't include youth so there is no way the research included my perspective. they will invalidate me. i don't say to them. i don't want to be super rude but i'm like uh-huh, uh-huh. sure. that is what you think. >> i think also for like career expectations one thing i love about the youth and younger people is that we dont let companies--how do i say this (inaudible) we have more salary expectations. that is sometimes companies give you the low ball and people are like, no, we want transparns and want to get paid what we need to get paid

because minimum wage living and you can't afford to live in a city with hundred thousand dollars you need to live well, so i think that for careers it is also which career will give us the most money to survive in this world. which is tech comes in and stem. >> interesting too, there is-very tabu to share your salary but becoming encouraged. i would feel very comfortable-i don't make a salary but post college i think it is important especially as a white male to share the information with others to be aware of disparities and rectify them as well. that might be a generational thing too. i feel it was taboo to talk about your economic situation. we complain a lot about it. we also grow up in a time of incredible

inflation. literally everything is so expensive and my parents are like how does it cost $5 for a cup of coffee? i'm like let me tell you about books in college. >> everything is expensive. >> it is weird, i work for the city in a job outside of this and like, i don't know, i just like think it is like cool because it just list the salary when you apply i looked at other jobs and like wait that isn't the standard they don't tell you how much you get paid? somebody was telling me about buying a car and the weirdest thing in our society we are like go to the car dealership and it isn't the price, it is quhoo is the best negotiator. it is a weird thing. i just want simple. i want to walk in and know how much i pay. >> i think i feel aware of the value of my work. especially doing this work as well which is demanding and hard and unpaid because of just

how the city is set up. i love it. knowing the value of the skills you have and being willing to say that's not a high enough salary for me. i need to live off--especially if you have a degree. that's just not what i'm worth and think people in gen z are willing to be aware how the system is taking advantage of people and like low balling them basically and much more willing to stand up to that and because i think there is also this personal dynamic where it is like if i was talking to a employer i would be much more willing to say i know you are not low balling me intentionally. like what you said. [laughter] but the system is. >> to add on r i love the youth commission. i love the work we

do and it is a really fulfilling job and i would love to find a job like this some time after i graduate college. >> i see myself being a staff member. >> it is also a privilege to be able to know what you want to do and to be able to pursue that because if i wanted to do writing or something because i reading and writing, i probably would want be able to do that because i'm first generation, parents are immigrants and don't make that much money and don't have the line of generational wealth t. is a privilege to do your job and what you love and public service is pretty well pay-it is privilege and think being able to consider that and having privilege to do something like this and having the time right now i'm really grateful for that but not everyone can do that because they don't have time and have to consider salary more then we do. now we are just checking on-is this going to make me enough so i can go shopping but these are really

important jobs people rely on their lives for. >> we talked about-is there a stigma about youth in politics and- >> for sure. >> do you feel it or do you feel it at all? >> i feel there is little like-i dont know if micro aggression is the right term. i got a permit to use the bike room from city hall and i filled out the form and the lady was looking at me and was like, you work here? i'm like yeah, i don't have a city e-mail address but can i write my employee id number. she is like, you have those, that is cute. she wouldn't talk to an adult like that. she wouldn't say you have employee id that is cute. i was like wow, in that moment. i don't want to tell too many stories. >> sometimes they don't take you seriously because you are a young person. >> i remember walking into supervisors office, we

were inviting-legislative aids and a couple times they are like, hello. they are like, why are you here? i'm like this is a public office so everyone can walk into and second of all, we are commissioners. that is the reason we are here. >> i have been called cute so many timeatize is unbelievable. i'm like man, i'm just trying to do my job. i remember there was a interesting debate i had with this guy. we were doing a trash cleanup and it was me and this other dude talking about this book we read about youth involvement in politics. i said i don't think youth should be involved in government because they will be sad and disallusioned how much the government can't do. i'm like-i tried my best to argue with him very respectfully but that is such a bad take because i think youth should be taught to be optimistic rather then pessimistic where we can go in the future but a lot

of adults think otherwise. a lot of adults believe the same things he believes. they think youth should just do their little thing, go to school, have fun- >> if you are not creating change why are you there? for the money? >> there is also issue the youth commissioners felt of tokenization and being like a politician with-photo op- [multiple speakers] look at the youth leader i'm promoting and are they leave and there is no mentorship. there is big difference between mentorship and tokenization. i think we do a relatively good job in city hall. i think most people care about us and (inaudible) but there are times too where i'm like from people who i think of as people who are mentors who are like you just want me here to

stand next to you for a photo opand don't think i'm will ing to do that without having a conversation with you about this issue. >> you can tell when meeting someone or being at an event when they are just like using you versus if they actually care what you have to say. >> i think as a youth commissioner, it is so important to find the balance between being used for tokenization but also using that clout. you should take advantage of it. >> you are standing next to the elected official. >> it gives the youth commission more prominence and if it helps us do our job mine as well. it is important to find balance and make sure you are not taken advantage of. >> something else that is interesting is-i feel like i mentioned earlier but i feel like i didn't have any training. i have my own experience. >> before you continue, just saying you do not