"pledge of allegiance". >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> take roll. >> commissioner walker. >> here. >> commissioner benedicto. >> here. >> yanez. >> present. >> byrne. >> here. >> yee? commissioner yee is on route, oberstone also enroute. you have a quorum also with us is chief scott from the san francisco police department. >> thank you, hello everyone, welcome to our april 5th, 2023 meeting. it is already april, i cannot believe it.

fellow commissioners and people watching the commission, we have a new agenda item that we will be start froming this point forward. it's called the weekly officer recognition certificate and based on the feedback from the command staff and the great ideas that were generated. we would like to have this agenda item on a weekly basis. every week so that we can highlight the great work that our officers are doing. not only the commission but the community of the great work and sacrifice that's are made while doing this job. so, this is what we will be kicking our meetings on with from this day forward. i'm going to give you the background and introduce the people. >> thank you, president ally elias, and thank you to you

commissioner oberstone and other commissioners for doing this. it's important to highlight the good work that our members and officers are doing in. i know with everybody going on, we don't always hear, you know, these types of things. and it's not always the medal of valor but the day-to-day work that is being done, things like that. i just really appreciate you all listening. listening to that request and recognize the recognizes and this is a great start so i want to say thank you and i want to take it to our assistant chief. >> good evening, president elias, and chief scott and director henderson. thank you very much for your leadership and all of your commission. i know our officers are very excited to see the officer recognition each week. and i want today be here to kickoff the first one.

and without any further, i want to introduce acting captain commanding officer of central station who will present this week's award. >> thank you. welcome captain. >> thank you, president elias, thank you commissioners, thank you chief scott. thank you director henderson. it's my honor to be here and thank you chief la czar, it's my honor. it's my honor to recognize one of the hardest working cops in the station. incrediblely plainclothes unit, before that, it was a little over a year ago and he fought crime in uniform on a day watch where he consistently displayed the work. i was a platoon commander and i always relied on him to make the big arrest. he was so good in fact, that sergeant matt para, the plainclothes requested the officer be put on his team.

officer nords showed his on the plainclothes team to learn and do and always willing to go the extra mile to get the critical piece of evidence or put in extra hours of surveillance. proved that he is determined and diligent and has a tremendous heart. nowhere was it better than in the month of december 2022. on a december 8, a mother and daughter were visiting san francisco from southern california and wanted do some christmas shopping. she sat down for a bite to eat on market street. the young daughter put her backpack down next to them and they had lunch. during the lunch, they noticed a man sit next to their table. although he was sitting close to them, he thought nothing

more until they left to leave. the backpack was missing, it was her beloved stuffed animal named pijy. the girl was distraught and together they called together and showed the man that sat closely to them, took the backpack. both mom and daughter were absolutely devastated at the loss of the daughter's beloved toy. officers made the report to no avail. the next day, officer nord learned about the incident, he decided he was going to fix this. officer nord was instrumental and distributing the pictures and setforth doing all the follow-up necessary to inquire the necessary leads, officer norton this was not the biggest case but the most important and

meaningful, it was to a broken-hearted 13-year-old. and he did all this while he was still fighting the crime that we deal with in the central. the suspect was identified and was a known thief with a long rap sheet, where he was and taken pij' magoo that was going to take work. he put in and watching and digging until he finally had enough probably cause to get a search warrant for the suspect sometimes laid his head. that was great but the goal was to recover pijy mcgoo, it was a long spot. a stuffed pigeon on a christmas vest has little value. on december 21, sergeant paraupdated me on the case.

where the suspect sometimes lived. i told him please text me with the code word if pijy mcgoo was recovered. one word text with the plainclothes unit, geronimo, incredible, other evidence was recovered linking the suspect to the crime however, the suspect was not there. no big deal, the team knew his arrest was just a matter of time. for now, all that mattered was the treasured stuffed animal. because of his compassion and drive to see justice done in every sense of the word, this heart breaking wrong was righted. many people would ask why an officer would spend that much time, it was much more than that. nord did because this is the

essence of being a police officer. he defend thed the defenseless and helped the helpless, recovered an item that was valued to the family and restored the trust in san francisco. pijy mcgoo was differed to the little girl and suspect taken into custody and officer nord continues to work hard for the citizens of san francisco putting his life on the line, arresting arms robbers, murderers and drug dealers and occasional stuffed animal thief. it's my absolute honor to award this award to officer jason nord on behalf of the police commission and the san francisco police department, the officer of the week. [applause]

>> make sure you get the good angle. >> i want to get the officer's few words. >> this is not necessary but greatly appreciated. the reward was definitely getting the stuffed animal back for that little girl anything beyond that is not necessary but i appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. i think that obviously we want to thank you for your courage and heroism, i know central station is one of the busier stations so i can only imagine the dands. also captain, i want to thank you for highlighting this officer for the tremendous amount of work that he put into this case which i assume is the type of work that he puts in all the cases. i know you want to do a photo op but i want to turn it over to my colleagues while you do that. commissioner benedicto. >> thank you, president elias, and i want to thank you for

adding this to the regular agenda item. i think it's a great addition, and to thank those in command that provided as command staff tha. was a tremendous story actually told back from captain farmer. and i think it does, something you said really stuck out to me. it wasn't, the biggest case for an officer but it can be a big case for the individual of the public. it's so important that biggest or the worse things in the lives of people who make the calls for our service. i've been highlighting that was very important. celebrations officer nord and i hope accept our gratitude and captain farmer who has done tremendous job at the central station as well. thank you. >> thank you, commissioner walker.

>> congratulations officer nord and thank you for your service, for all of your service. i also want to thank the commissioners who, who is bringing this to start every meeting. it really is important to just emphasize the hard work and good work that all do. thank you again, congratulations. >> thank you. >> commissioner yee? >> thank you, very much. >> quick on that trigger finger. you be on it. >> i know these gentleman for sometime. thank you very much for your service and recognition for all the hard work that you get done throughout the city and the community. thank you captain farmer and and assistant chief, i want to thank you all again and continue the hard work that you've all done. thank you very much. >> thank you, commissioner yanez.

>> thank you, elias. i think it's important. it's important to hear the narrative. we read a lot of stories that don't present us in the green lieutenant. --light. i appreciate the enthusiastic presentation by captain farmer and officer nord you're doing a great job out there and we really appreciate your service. >> we welcome you back captain to come back and present. people never meet their time lot so we'll definitely get back. >> my boss is in the room, i've got to do it. >> exactly. >> and also officer, jason nord, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> if members of the public would like to make public

comment on item 1, please approach the podium. there is no public comment. >> next item please. >> general public comment. at this time, the public is allowed to address the commission that are within the subject matter. during public comment, neither police nor commissioners are required to respond to questions by the public but may provide a brief response. you may submit the public comment the following ways. if you would like to make public comment. please approach the podium. >> my name is yolanda pa chaco. i worked as a teacher from elementary to high school and i was a here in the city.

[ indiscernible] i was reading your agenda and it says you're going to discuss stuff that is not on the agenda. so where is our freedom of speech, freedom of press, where does it say, that we are the ones that vote. we are the ones that pay the taxed. so i would like to ask you why, why that is? i heard that you think we're a leadist, we're not a leadist by coming and providing public comment. i don't know if i can talk about card. i just want to say that whoever gets the money for the response

team, most of the unhoused and homeless do not work. they cannot work. if i was, i would not be able to sleep in a tent. so whoever gets the money, please make sure that they work with the house. i've seen people with one organization urban alchamy *. and they're going to be called to crisis situations? >> good evening, ms. brown. >> good evening, i would like to use your overhead.

i'm here for my son who was murdered. his birthday is next month, april 6th. i wish that he was here and i can celebrate but now i've got to go to a gravesite and paste a birthday card to the dirt. i still want to thanking d.a. brooks. his stone is being appropriated now. and i sent her a copy of it and she says she is always going to be there for me. i just wanted make sha issue. because again, still worried about this is, me, i'm still grieving over my baby. where is the money at for the rewards? where are we going to solve these unsolved homicides?

this is something i'll be doing for the rest of my life. i still cry. i still hurt. it does not matter how many years, the body keeps the score. my mind is keeping it. my body feels it. every time. one less child, i had three children. two girls left without a brother. this is what they left me with. this is the only way i can talk with pictures. they don't see what i'm going through, they will never know. who wants to deal with this? what mother, what father, what auntie what uncle. these homicides need to be solved instead of me standing on the poll--pole for somebody

to tear down the picture again. thank you. >> speaker: good afternoon, first of all, condolences to the man that was killed just recently. i would like to say, condolences to all the families that had to go through the grief of losing a loved one. throughout the whole nation, with san francisco especially. i would like to say that my name vonn foster and i had the worse experience on 6th street. and even though it's been a while ago, i don't know if the police ever got reprimanded by i saw seen the other day. and there is no room for

bullying anywhere, no matter where you are in the nation, especially in san francisco. so the same officer that i had the altercation w road by me, because i was at the jenna sister ant office with a smirk on his face. but make sure he turned back around. illegal, illegal turn with police officer. and they drove and made another smirk. i spoke to chief right here, i spoke to this chief about it, scott, yeah. scott. and i don't know whether because i'm vaughn foster this was already addressed device from the o.c. c. i received a call, that said mr. foster you're a very honest person, what you say is truthful. it's not a question about who is honorable and who is not.

but when you take a job to serve as a servant for the people, you're there for the people. your oath that you gave upholds your oath. excuse me. i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> any other public comment, please approach the podium. >> all right, there is the end of public comment. item number 3 consent and calendar. >> motion to receive and file. >> second. >> sergeant. >> any members of the public

that would like to make public comment online item number 3, please approach the podium. no public comment on the item. commissioner walker. >> yes. >> benedicto. >> yes. >> commissioner yanez. >> yes. >> commissioner byrne. >> yes. >> commissioner byrne is yes. commissioner yee. >> yes. >> vice president oberstone? >> yes. >> and president elias. >> yes. >> you have 7 yeses. >> line item 4, adoption of minutes and action. >> can i get a motion after reviewing, i'm assuming there is no edits. >> motion to adopt the minutes. >> second. >> members of the public that would like to make public comment online item 4, adoption of the minutes, please approach the podium. there is no public comment. commissioner walker. >> yes. >> benedicto. >> yes. >> commissioner yanez. >> yes.

>> commissioner byrne? >> yes. >> yee. >> yes. >> vice president oberstone. >> yes. >> and president elias. >> yes. >> you have 7 yeses. >> item line 5, weekly crime trends and public safety concerns including brief summary of narcotic enforcement operations. provide a brief overview of information sustained pending at the chief's hearing and requested by the commission. chief scott. >> thank you, thank you, sergeant young blood. good evening, commission and president and executive director henderson and the public. i'm just briefly, i know the crime trends are posted but just to highlight some of the

more significant trends, we're up to homicides, we have 12 year to date, actually 13, including one this week that was outside of the reporting period. and there was 10 last year at this time. 8 of our homicides have been by firearm so that is something that we want to get on top of. our clearance rate is fairly high, we have high 60s, almost 70%. and we do have a lot going on with our homicide units some of which i'll talk about in a second. another just note of piece of positive news in terms of our crimes, our overall crimes, serious crimes are down 10% which is a difference of almost just short of 2000 crimes. so that is actually about 1200 crimes short from last year. so that is a piece of good news and that's lead in reduction of

burglars and property crime is driving that decrease in our crime numbers. significant incidents, i have two homicides to talk about. one within last week's reporting period. this was on april 1 at 1:04 p.m. in the tenderloin district. the victim was shot by a suspect who was yet to be identified. the victim was transported to the hospital and did not survive his injuries. this is on going investigation. no arrests have been made at this time. outside of the reporting period, yesterday, there was a homicide that has gotten a lot of attention. and before i give you the summary, let me say, because we have, we have protocols with the medical examiner that we wait on their lead in terms of announcing the name of homicides victims, just prior

to this meeting, we have not gotten that okay yet. although this information is out in the media, i will not release it until we get the thumbs up from the medical examiner for many reasons including medication. but on april 4, the victim called 9-1-1 stating he had been stabbed and bleeding but did not give his location. the dis tafper determined that the victim was on main street. officers located the victim who was unconscious by this time and on the sidewalk. our officers rendered aid until sfpd paramedics took over. the victim was transport today a local hospital and later succumbed to his injuries. this is on going investigation that has included officers canvassing the scene, locating evidence and there is been basically around the clock investigation on both of these homicides. and there is a lot of work to be done. that is all i have to report at

this time for this particular homicide but i do want to say this, and i, we have, a grieving mother homicide victim that is here every wednesday. these types of case that's get a lot of attention, we just need the public to know that our investigators investigate these just as we do any other loss of life. and yes, we have units such as our night investigation and any other homicides that happened at night. we have our homicide unit, we have our video retrieval officers, there are a lot of resource that's are poured into this and every homicide. i want to say that because sometimes the appearance of these high provide get a lot of attention i just want the public to know that all the cases get a lot of attention. we will do all we can on that indicate and on the case of

golden gate and on every case that we have in the city where somebody loses their lives. there are three shootings to report. first on march 299:40 p.m., officers respond today shots and located a victim who revised, heard loud bangs and realized he had been shot. the victim did not see who shot him. at this time, no arrests have been made and investigation on going. on thursday march 20th, at 11:14 p.m. in the area of will o and van eyes, a victim and witness were in a vehicle when a person fired a gun at the victim. following the shooting, the victim struck a buy standard with his vehicle as the victim was trying to flee the scene. the victim was transported with

a gun shot wound not life threatening. on saturday april 1, officers respond today a shot fired in the 11th block of scott street. a juvenile victim was found with a gun shot wound to his leg and near his resident when he was shot. we are investigating that as well on going, the victim's mother was arrived at the scene and transport withed non life threatening injuries. and that is on going investigation. come of notable arrests. the homicide that occured, in which a victim suffering was located on the 300 block of la grand avenue. an arrest was made on that case.

there were 10 to 15 people including the victim that were involved in the incident. and our investigators had to sort a lot of stories and investigation out. they got the necessary evidence to offer a search warrant which was served at the main suspect's resident on march 23rd of this last month, of this year. at which time the suspect for the homicide was taken into custody. the suspect also confessed during interviews and booked during the homicide and other charges including criminal threats. so that was really good work by the investigators on a pretty complicated case with the number of people. another notable arrest, this one involved an invasion of privacy on march 25th, a victim

went to a dry-cleaner and a dressing room had a secret recording device. the investigation related in identification of another victim from this clock that was recording victims as they changed in this business. during the course of investigation, the suspect was identified on march 25, 2023 search and warrant was obtained and searched at the business locating evidence. as a result the suspect was arrested on six misdemeanor counts of invasion of privacy. very good job of our investigates putting this together. and lastly with the last two minutes, i want to talk about some of the strategies that are notable. tenderloin, narcotic arrests are on going. and i know this is a follow-up

from commissioner elias about the number of buy bus, 2018, we did 117 buy bust, 2022, 97 and year to date 22 buy bust. one of the things i mentioned is our tenderloin officers have received plainclothes train anding they have been actually deployed by captain sergio chan in enforcement. and just last week, they made 18 arrests last week alone. comparison the narcotic unit, they had some on going investigation. but we believe that the strategy, we will get a better handle on enforcement and holding them accountable. so those are the numbers for the past four years actually.

past three years, i'm sorry. and that's on going. just a note, fentanyl seizures has increased 169% compared to 2022 and 823 compared to 2021. 7 percent of our seizures have been fentanyl and that's a tremendous increase from previous years. and the last thing is talk about our commission strategies, 16th and mission 24th and mission have been a real issue for the city and department. there is a lot going on, including illegal vending sales, stolen property, some nor cot i can usage. so we do have officers posted, 7 days a week on both of those intersections two at each and they will be working that until further notice. and we will keep track of that. it has made a difference but still more to follow.

and i heard the buzzard so my time is up. >> well you're missing the staff that i asked for, which is chief hearings. >> i have that. >> oh i'm out of time, i cannot talk about it. i know that trick. >> there is a lot. the chief hearings real quickly, commissioner, president elias had asked for m. so we have this investigation. six cases, two of them are dpa, four are sfpd, 2019 cases that are pending hearing, three. all three are dpa, internal affairs, 2020, 26, and that is split down the middle. and cases, 2021, there are 53, 29 from dpa, 24 from sfpd

internal affairs, 2022, 15, 11 from dpa, 4 from ied. and the total is 103 over the last four years, 58dpa, 45sfpd. >> okay, let me, i'm going to work backwards. so on the chief hearings in 2018, the six that are remaining, are those told? what are you prioritizing? >> so once the officers serve, once they serve the notice of discipline, then the totaling stops at that point. so yes, we are prioritizing trying to get the oldest cases done. >> i guess i mean are they on disability? i know that ads to the clock? or, let me see if i have that commissioner. is know there are some of these case wz officers on disability,

but let me see if i have this in this actual write out. >> i guess, we should agendize this and talk about the numbers more in depth. i do appreciate you providing the numbers. i think we have these high totals and we need to clear these out. baz the other thing and i don't know if you have this status out of the 103 total, how many officers have multiple cases. i think that one of the situation that's we're running into that may be problematic is if an officer is waiting for the chief hearing and picks up a new case, it prohibits you from implementing progressive discipline. so i think that it really is, does a disservice to you and the department and fellow officers who are not part of disciplinary system. >> yeah, i don't have that information. but that information is easily obtained. so i can follow-up with you

either through an agendized discussion or however you prefer. and i do some thoughts about that. >> yeah, and we have emailed too about how to solve these come up with solution to see solve the backlog. thank you for the numbers. i think we'll digest and get back to you. is want to turn to the buy bust, last year there were 18 arrests. that 18 part of the 22? that's in addition by narcotics. >> so 22 buy busts, which includes four from last week. the tenderloin officers are now making, doing narcotic investigation, they do scotting operations. so there is 22 total, this past weekend. four of those were buy bust. >> okay, and again we need to agendize.

i know this is been a crisis, givener the fentanyl crisis it would behoove the department to show the new innovative ways in terms of tackling this problem. rather than relying on some of the antiquated tactics that have been used for more than a couple of decades. not not to say that they don't work but it would be helpful how affective these practices are and what you know, it's like sports, you cannot be using the same plays from, you know, the 2000s when in you're 2023. i think we'll have to agendize that pretty soon. i don't see anybody on the dais. i was about to close it out. vice president carter oberstone. >> thank you, president he lie as.

--elias. chief, you mention that fentanyl case right side up, he announced a large single seizure. so i'm wondering how much year increase is due to maybe a couple of large seizures like that raising the number year over year or are we seeing more seizures, more small seizures as well contributing. >> we're seeing most small as well. large will add to the total but we have large seizures as well. but we are seeing a lot of what we are, what we're seizing particularly in the tenderloin. and maybe, because of the command, anecdotely, i can say that, but fentanyl is pretty much the substance of the day right now.

and just, note too, there are concerns about hitting the streets of san francisco. we do have some confirmed deaths in san francisco. we really hope that we cannot see that invade our city like fentanyl. we're seeing the mixture. the percentage of what we're seeing has gone through the roof. occasionally we get a large seizure but most of the day-to-day stuff is fentanyl. >> you're getting to the second and last question, i was going to ask if we have any data on pervasiveness of drank, how many drugs are contaminated with it? >> yeah, i'll look and see what we actually have. but what the medical examiner is accurate, but we have not really run across a lot of it in our seizure.

but i will research and get some numbers for the commission and the public. >> great, thanks chief. >> commissioner benedicto. i remembered my question. can i ask the chief. are the shootings included in the assault members that you include in the weekly trends? >> well, the shootings are included in the overall assaults but we break out shootings. >> i see at the bottom, you give us the weekly shooting. i was received a lot of notifications about a lot of shootings. and stabbings that have been going on. so i was wondering where those would fall if they're included in the assault category of the weekly crime trend. >> we are included in the assault numbers. >> unless it results in homicides. >> it's another example where

we do that, is the car burglars that are included in the numbers but we break it out, because it's a topic of interest here in san francisco. it's inclusive in the total numbers. >> sorry, commissioner benedicto. >> thank you, president elias. on the chief's hearing question i know we decided that we're going to agendize it into a separate discussion. i know we had spoken about some of the efforts that were taken like being stricter with continuances and expanding shooting officers. is that create a dent in the backlog? >> yes, i do, but we have to do more things. it's, prioritization of the older cases. you know, some of the cases

that are related to commission cases. sometimes we have to untangle that and we have a whole list of strategies that we're either employing or have employed to try to deal with this issue. as best as we can do this. i know there is a lot of conflicts with everybody's schedules but once we commit to the time, absolute emergency, we are trying to hold people to the days they commit to. >> is know, that it's very early to have, there is not that much information on the form street homicides, we don't know on whether we think if the shoting was random. >> nothing to share yet. of course, we have discussion buzz every homicide but nothing that we can share because we don't want to be premature and

don't want to speculate. we'll put out what we can put as soon as we can. but that's of interest, people tend to get a lot of anxiety rather than personal disputes. as soon as we have enough information to put out, we will. but we're working closely with deputy chief and homicide unit, lieutenant sanders in that group. so we're working that one as well as the last one in the tenderloin. >> thank you, chief. i just want to say for that homicide on the fourth and and main street, to express my condolences to the victim and to the families of homicide victims who don't make it to the front page of newspapers. as well i know the chief said that the investigation is on going, you know, any violence

particular homicides are acceptable and terrible. and i know that police is working on them. i do feel compels to comment on what we're seeing, i do feel like some people out there on the media and social media that are exploiting this horrific incident for political gain and this was, this was a tragedy and a crime, and it's under investigation you heard it from the chief. yet so much of the coverage in this short amount of time has been significant amount of misrepresenting facts, of fear mongering and trying to exploit this tragedy. we don't know all the facts. the department will update the commission and public when we do. i find it prema sure and distasteful to try to fit this horrifying act of violence into a preconceived narrative and use it to advance a political agenda.

i ask people to read the moving tribute about the victim that was written by his father, very moving tribute that were covered in the chronicle written by the victim's friends and family and to share their condolences that way and discourage people from reading the fear mongering and publication on twitter. thank you. >> thank you, commissioner benedicto. commissioner yee? >> thank you, madam president. i guess my question to the chief to the drug overdose in san francisco especially in the tenderloin corridor. i'm looking at the report by the chronicle. and since 2020 which was the most which was 725 report of the accidental drug overdose in

san francisco has come down in 2021 to 640 and then last year was 647. usually these things prom gate and rise up there. you can look at all the other deaths in san francisco fentanyl death related. the drug buy back would that play a part in reducing the overdose out there? and additional training on the narcam and make it available for our residents. it's no laughing matter for one parent and child. that's where i'm trying to get at.

>> i know that this is the use of phone lockcam. we do have quite a few reversal where officers deploy narcan and life saving come through this commission for approval. >> i think the fda approved nor narcam so there will be a lot

more in the streets. a lot of urban alchemy and those types that do street out reach also have narcam. i think that has a positive affect on saving lives. it does not address the problem but it saves lives. >> thank you very much, chief. >> sergeant. >> members of the public that would like to make public comment on item number 5, the chief's report, please approach the podium. >> i was thinking about it, i heard that people that make a lot of money, they order steak dinners and they don't eat them and they just throw them away. i got to learn the parents of the students that i educated. they go to museums and operas and symphonies, they go all over the world and i traveled

throughout europe and africa. the poor have that option, they have drugs and i'm not condoning drugs or guns okay, but the thing is, we got to address the reasons why people are using drugs. a lot of times people don't know that they've been laced with fentanyl. why are they using drugs? and it's not that anybody is on their own but don't blame it on the poor, i've been to two meetings on the unhoused and most of them are homeowners and business owners, they hate the homeless, they hate the drug addicts. and they say, don't bring a tiny home village because it's near the school. what are the homeless suppose to do? die? i've seen women that they will

continue bending so they can eat and buy food. that's what is going to be addressed. and the pharmaceutical, they sell opioid overdose where are they getting this? and there was a store that was selling laced legal food laced with fentanyl. quit using the poor as escape goats. they're suppose to serve the people. >> hi i'm back again. i just wanted to address i was talking about the unsolved homicides. i carry his picture all the time and i was talking about mothers coming to the scene.

i was not able to make it to the scene to my son but i did make it to the hospital. so i was talking about all of these, these people on here and these families and the mothers and fathers of these young men, the cases are not solved. it seems like our case gets pushed to the back. we become the, what do you call that? our stories, our stories become old. is had a few mothers call in and now they cannot even call in with public comment. because only people with disability can call in. we have mental disabilities, mental disabilities, why can't the mothers. i had a few mothers that tried

to call in and they can't call in because that's no longer happening. it's not a physical disability, but it's a mental disability, we're suffering from our children being murdered and bloods being washed down the street, they want to speak. and maybe they don't want to come here. they should have a chance to speak on public comment over the phone. the that is a disability. that is a disability, something needs to be done about it. my son's case number, anyone knows anything concerning my son, his case is number 060862038. i want my son's case solved. thank you. >> any members of the public that have information on the

murder of aubrey casa, can call the tip line. president elias, that's the end of public comment. >> thank you, next item. >> item number 6, dpa director's report, commission discussion will be limited whether to calendar any of the issues raised for future commission meetings. director henderson. >> thank you. let me start with happy passover, i want to make sure that we allow that. we currently have 278 cases pending and we still have 22 cases who's investigation have gone beyond the 9-month period, 17 of those case right side told. in terms of case that's we have, and we still have 91 cases, now the number has gone up for case that's are pending with the chief. one of the things that i want

today explain but i didn't want to interrupt is how the numbers are calculated. these are cases not officers. so that's part of how there is a misconflation, we're in the process of outlining. so we can correlate and just noticed when you were talking about the cases, you talked about the case from 2018. but ours go to 2018. that is going to help--with us talking in the weekly conversation. we'll talk about some of the those things in more debt because i know this is going to be one of the topic that is included in the spark report that you'll get next week. so whenever that date gets

scheduled to focus on this issue, we'll have the more in debt report available. in terms of the weekly trends, in terms of the cases that came in through through dpa, the number of allegations were for officers failing to take required action 18% and 12% for officers alleging that sfrd behaved or spoke inappropriately with the public. again the full list is online for all of the complaints that came in. in terms of the break down by precinct, the largest two precincts in terms of the allegations for the past few weeks were 7 of the complaints that came from the mission, mission station and five complaints that came in from tenderloin station. again a full break down of these allegations and what they

included is online. in terms of monthly statistics, i'm not going to read all of the statistics they're all online if you want to track and review all the details because i only have ten minutes. but i'll mention the top ones for january. the highest number of allegations 26% of the allegations were allegations of officer failing to take a required action. and in, i also have the sheriff's information not that anybody needs to compare them but they're public now as well. and those were 50% were for failure to take required action. that's for january. for february, for the police department, 33% of the added, 33% of the allegations involved an officer speaking or behavior

inappropriately with the public. and the full break down is posted and online if people want to look at them and review all the percentages and all the allegation that's came in from a monthly basis. in terms of out reach, our legal team chief diana rosenstein, met this week with deputy director of king county in seattle. they're oversight agency, we've been working with them to help create a broader infrastructure and procedures for their oversight agency, their just diction was just expand asked one of the things that they're working on is trying to look at san francisco's model of coordinated parallel investigations with internal affairs. so looking how we do that practice and trying to build a best model. the other things that we're working on to try to support is

their sustained proof in terms of their operations and a review of our team model approach to the investigations which we switched to about 45 years ago, five and a half years ago. and we'll continue that and i'll give you updates on these and other counties that we're collaborating with. in terms of audit for the past few weeks on march 20th, dpa issued a report, on san francisco's monitoring of departmental communication. i'm flag iting now. i know we're scheduling it for a broader presentation in april but i want to make sure that if people want to look at the report, it's available now. and it includes 4 key solution that's will help and support the police department and the commission to welcome for efficient and effective about the monitoring. and the report is available on

the website. i just want to point out the solutions, because i want it not to have the critical review. and i will say and in terms of the big news, this was the big buildup and why i saved this one. march 28th, the auditors announced that dpa's audit of the san francisco police department compliance with dgo8.10 received the night award. so that's the national award that dpa has won for its audit review which exemplary that we have this review for the police department. i just want to acknowledge again the team, my audit team that works to get this work done. but steve and cat who do a really good job clearly to get

this type of recognition not just once. this is a second knight award na they've won. it's not a common thing and it's a big deal. don't worry, you'll keep hearing about it if i cannot carry it on the desk. but reminder of what the focus is, there is a report was issued on december of 2022, it's also publicly available at dps website as a reminder, this is the audit outlining the finding that the sfpd did not implement. the key recommendations made by dpa and the prior year for the audit of dpgo8.10. and using social media services

for investigations and missing opportunities based on advances of video technology. so super excited about the award. not sure when the award presentation is coming but i got confirmation that we won the award for the audit. and i look for the robust investigation on the audit and follow-up conversation on the items enumerated for the item that won the award. dpa has nothing in closed session this evening. present in the room today, is chief of staff, sarah also senior investigator alley who is available if there are issues that came up in the room to be addressed by dpa. also present is our newest

employee, rowena a bad who is replacing pam thompson who retired and she will be our newmanagement assistant. thank you, super excited that she is here. she came to us from the public defender's office and we cannot wait to continue working with her. i also noticed that two of our interns have come to our commission without being asked to by me and we're excited that you're here. thank you for coming to participate. >> what is your name? >> hi. >> i'm mckayla. >> mckayla and fabian are their names. >> thank you. >> i don't know if people can hear you. they've been doing great work. i'm super excited that they're here to see the tie-in to their work. a lot of project that they've

been working on and doing diligent work. this is the first time that an intern has come on their own here, just the significance of that, is because dpa and occ has never had an internship but it's important that we open this process of what we do and having conversation buzz law enforcement tying it to young people. it's a big deal that they're here. i could not be more excited. i'm so appreciative and you'll hear more in term. --program. >> and it's my understanding that she runs a tight ship and produced quality interns at the end of internship. >> and karen turner who is helping put the program together. >> welcome. >> okay. i don't see any questions for you, directer henderson, sergeant?

>> for any members of the public that would like to address the commission please approach the podium. there is no public comment. item number 7, commission reports. commission reports will be limited to a brief description of activities and announcements. commission discussions will be limited to determining whether to calendar any of the issues raised for future commission. >> thank you, this week i attended the disciplinary review board. and the cases that were reviewed were interesting and i cannot wait until they appear before the commission so you can see the trends from that board. i also want to when that

presentation appears before the commission, i think that my understanding that dpa has been going along with ia to provide training on some of the trends which is extremely helpful. my know that myself and fellow commissioners have attended that training and spoke very highly about it. i hope that that continues. and i think that is all the announcements that i have. i'm going to turn it over to vice president. >> i'm going of a few things to report on. it was a event at a temple and it was a well put together event promoting recruiting and being proactive about, you

know, recruiting at different spaces. and also attended a mission town hall meeting that i'm appreciative for the chief for also being present. there was a lot of community input and feedback around the same challenges as the chief addressed earlier on the 24 street corridor. a lot of activity that was taking place on cap street ended up from what we understand, being pushed out into these two areas where they are already experiencing a lot of challenges. there is a lot of fencing going on in the corner. and i really want to commend the chief and the department for responding immediately. i noticed, i live not too far from one of those bart stations. i noticed the two vehicles stationed near the bart station and that alone has created a deterrents, you feel the

difference. it's a palpable difference. and i think that that is something that the community requested and i think that they are benefiting from it, we are benefiting from it so i appreciate that effort. we also, we had our final meeting around dgo701 commissioner benedicto and the team at headquarters. we accomplished a lot, had a lot of tough conversations and i think we have a really good draft of juvenile general order that is going to bring us into, you know, 21st century policing approaches with trauma, with youth development kind of concepts embedded into the policy. so i think that is going to be

something that takes us into the right direction when it comes to juvenile direction and interactions. and then there was one other item, conversation around diversion in general. we've been talking about the juvenile, we've been talking about having best practices as we're considering a prebook alternative. the chief is very invested in putting this together for our city. it's a practice that we want to embark on. which means bringing all the parties and getting all the information on what is going to work for our city. we do have a diversion intervention in place.

and we are looking forward setting that presentation up. and also i had a meeting with bench marks around the progress for the new the new eis system. and i think we'll have a presentation because they should be going live sometime around may and we don't want to agendize that yet because i'm going to get an update when the actual launch will take place but we're excited about that development. thank you. >> thank you, commissioner benedicto. >> thank you, president elias. just a cup of things, as commissioner yanez said, we'll have it's now going through the concurrent process and hopefully making its way to the commission.

i particularly want to thank the subject subject matter lieutenant and executive sponsor and all those who in the directives, for their great work on that department order. it was a very collaborative working group and one that, i'm very proud of the participant and the dialogue and the outcome. tomorrow, the first work for the department general order 10.11 is starting, that's the department on body cameras, that's department order the majority of dpa cases, the vas majority dealing with body worn footage, it's a huge piece of transparency and accountability. so i'm very much looking

forward to that robust working group and ensuring that the department policies on body worn cameras are modern and up-to-date. i know that commissioner walker has been meeting with the take overs on innovative to do body camera view, so she will continue to work on that. finally as the commission liason, i met with steve flaherty, congratulations on the audit team, twice winning audit team. to discuss the presentation on monitoring of communication for bias which will be agendized later this month. i got some questions answered. i'll be reaching out to the chief in sfpd to figure out how we can implement some of the solutions.

one thing that makes me feel optimistic is the solutions seem very achievable and looking forward to implementing those and working with the department on getting those so we can turn some of these yellow lines into green check marks on audit. and that is my report. >> thank you, commissioner benedicto, vice president carter oberstone. >> thank you, president elias, just two updates from me. first is that the working group for dgo 8.10 first amendment surveillance activities is going to be starting towards the end of this month, april 28th so looking forward to that. and i know that dpa's twice award winning report will feature prominently in the working groups discussions. also just wanted to provide an update from a couple of weeks ago, myself as well as president elias and

commissioner benedicto attended a meeting of command staff couple of weeks ago just wanted to thank command staff again for inviting us. i think it was a good and open discussion. i appreciate the chance to hear command staff around how the commission functions. i don't think there was a ton of agreement necessarily. i think command staff and i have a very different view about what the commissions rule is in our system of government, what it means to provide accountability and oversight and transparency. but the agreement was never the point. the point was to have an open discussion and i think we accomplished that and i hope it's not the last one. that's all for me. >> mr. walker.

--commissioner walker. >> thank you, president elias, as commissioner mentioned, we were both attending the recruitment day at the scottish rights temple, the command staff, thank you. it was a great job. i think that we've seen some of the videos on different tv station that's wiefb seeing. and it really is important to recruit from community. so i just want to acknowledge how the out reach went and how much there were a lot of folks from the community who were there and interested in helping. that was amazing. and in the commission meeting, there is a lot of tension in the mission and i want to allowed you commissioner, he was asked to translate's everybody's testimony and, i really appreciate it because it

was, there was a couple of hours. and chief, i feel like we've been hearing from the mission for a while. i've been talking with them about the conversation, the need to better coordinate. to communicate with folks out in the frontline, a lot of folks in the mission are part of that conversation. so it's really an opportunity to work with the community on how to help those issues. every neighborhood is different as we know. and it's really important and very supportive of the community to acknowledge that and to be able to, you know, respond to these kinds of meetings because we were there to listen. and i've been meeting with as

commissioner benedicto said, some folks who are working on new technology for camera control. we met with the department today and it was well received. looking the body worn camera more transparent to a agree and secure and to help. i'm really excited about that. but thank you very much chief again for the mission meeting. i know it was really well received, so. >> chief are there translators usually? >> it's roberto. >> usually are, but there is a

meeting coordinated by community members so they used the commissioner to translate. but when we set them, we have some. >> you're making him earn the $100 a month. we barely make the $100 stipend. commissioner yee. >> thank you, very much there president cindy elias. i got two community events that i attended in late march. first one was march 17th, 2023. we had brandon shade monterey park hero that took away the gunman's assault arrivele and came up here and spoke to our association, ccba. he spoke day before in japan town and he was very down-to-earth person. he talked about what he's done.

there is a few that he's really a hero. it's just it came to him at that time. and it was a lot of hate he talked about afterwards, how we can help people do mental health. second event was march 25th, 125 anniversary for the birthright that chinese took on. it wept through supreme court that if you're born here, you're a citizen. and regards to the 14th amendment verified that is it is. so for those born here, we are

all citizens. and we thank you for all you've done. that's all i have to report. >> thank you. commissioner byrne? >> thank you. just an update on the dgo's that i've been assigned. dgo103 is with dpa, they believe they would have reviewed the draft for the meeting on the third week of april. is should be able to give an update in may. dpa is in their final stages and i'll be able to give an update on that one on april 12th. the other issue is at the last meeting, vice president

oberstone indicated that it a committee had been formed by president elias to interview for analyst and it was in the final stages. i'm wondering myself and at least one other commissioners is not informed of this panel and of the interview. i put it to the chair, the chair is not here now. are there any other committees that have been formed that other commissioners are not aware of? i believe it's indumb bent to all members of the commission. i understand that there is a group of four there is a violation of the brown act. it's incumbent to inform the other commissioners what is going on. i understand that the rules

that apply are very lose. in all due fairness, i believe that we should and must be informed, thank you. >> for members of the public that would like to speak, please approach the podium. >> next item please. >> line number 8. proposal of reducing police as a primary responders for homeless calls for service.

>> this is chris presenting on this. can people see and hear me? >> yes. >> sorry what was that? >> just one second. >> hold on one second, we can hear you, yes. >> terrific. >> okay, chris, we can see and hear you. >> great, as far as presentation, will you be going through slides there or is there a screen sharing that i should be doing here? >> we can do either one, which would you prefer? >> actually, just that you figure out the screen and maybe if you can present the presentation and if there is a way to see it on the video, i can say next slide.

>> okay, give us one minute. >> otherwise i can--sure. while we set the tech up, i do want to thank jessica wagoner,--jennifer, sorry, for meeting with us and helping put together this presentation. i know that you have been very involved with this process and it was very helpful to me to understand what role the police commission played with this. i when i came on board, i met with a group of folks from cart and wanted to make sure that this stays on our radar and

find a way to support and activate the cart program. since many of the commissioners were not on the commission when that presentation last taopg a couple of years ago, we thought it was a good time to presh and support this. >> before we begin there, i'm going to recall the previous item. i did step out to use the bathroom. and i do want to address commissioner byrne's comment with respect to interviewing the police commission analyst position. the position has been open for more than a year. we've been trying to fill it and i've made numerous announcements about it and at no time did you inquire being part of the panel or participating in the panel. this is within my per view. if you have any questions, i'm always available for to you contact me at any time so we can discuss the matter. >> i didn't get any email or

anything that anybody was being interviewed. >> okay, i said it during commission announcements. >> i spoke to another commissioner before i made the comments and he was of like mind, he had not heard anything either. and i think something as important as this, should be a public announcement at the beginning of the meeting. and again i asked the question, are there any other commissioners that commissioners are not aware of. >> i checked with the city attorney and rules. i'm not sure what other commissioner, allow me to finish, don't interrupt me. is did mention it at commission updates. so whether you or the other commissioner missed it, it's there and we have an amazing police commission staff who always give notifications and you check in regularly as do the rest of us, so at no time were there any missed opportunities to know that we were moving forward in this

matter. commissioner walker do you have any? >> i just didn't know about it either, but i have not been there as long as as the rest. it would be great to weigh in or know what is happening. >> and this is the common practice that has been going on for several selections of this position. >> so my other question was are there other committees that have been formed that other commissioners are not aware of. as i said when you were out of the room, i was not aware that interviews were going on until vice president carter oberstone indicated that the analyst was being interviewed. and apparently, i was not alone in that. i'm not saying that anything was done deliberately but i think something as important as that, should be mentioned and

arguably agendized so that other members of the commission and the public are aware of what's going on. and again, i repeat the question are there any committees like that involving issues. and because you were outside of the room, i indicated that the rules are not set in concrete. but i think to be frank, it's common decency that other members of the commission be aware of this and again, i to the chair, are there any other committees out there of three people that are looking at other issues that we other commissioners are not aware of? >> i think that's a question for the city attorney so we'll let her answer that. but i will address the other two comments. they were announced during my commission announcements if you

were not paying attention, then. and commissioner benedicto also mentioned it in his comment which was also in social media. but i'll turn it over to the city attorney to address your question which again, you could have contacted prior to this meeting and had that conversation. >> deputy city attorney, alicia ca bre ra, the commission president has the power to appoint committees. but, based on the agenda item number 7 and ask for action on item if there is any disagreement. >> but to the city attorney, how can we disagree or ask action when we're not aware of it?

>> city attorney: i understand that's your concern and that's a matter for policy to address. >> and even if the chair has the authority, in common fairness, we ought to be aware of it. and i think it's easy for the commission staff to say these committees exist, these people are interviewed so we have an update. and, as i said, it's just a question of fairness to all members of the commission. thank you. >> vice president oberstone. >> i'll be brief here, i do recall president elias noting in a public meeting that the commission was looking to fill the position. the commission office posted publicly the job posting, commissioner benedicto retweeted, i think i may have retweeted.

i don't think that we need extend this conversation much longer than it's been extended but i do want to say for the record, at least from my stand point, there is nothing happening in secret. i think it was open for a very long time and in the public domain for a very long time. and as commissioner byrne's acknowledges, we cannot have more than three commissioners in a room doing this. and the idea that we would agendize the hiring of a civil service employee, that's probably out of step with civil service law it's out of step with historical practice. i don't think that anything untord happened. >> i thought it was common decency that the other members of the commission be aware that the committee was appointed. commission was informed on 9.07

that a committee of three had been appointed many times at the meeting. all of a sudden, this thing, yes, there was hiring but there was a committee of three appointed to do the interview. and i was not aware who was on the committee. and with all do respect, i'm not on twitter so i don't follow what is twitted. but it would be easy of an email was sent to us that a three people. and my question again, are there any other committees of three doing any other type of work that other members of the committee are not aware of. >> well we have the brown act, if a committee has been form, we cannot form. that's why i did it in public in commission reports. i'm not going to debate back and forth. again this position has been open for more than a year, we did more than one round of hiring.

>> my question. >> we know what the question is. the city attorney answered the question. commissioner benedicto. >> again, i don't mean to be labor this. it's a position that had been promoted for a significant amount of time. and just to provide few historical context since i worked with prior commissions. this position has been filled two prior times and neither of those times has it been agendized as an item and neither of those items, and knowing my presence in the commission.

filled by a combination of commissioners and staff. >> but we were not informed who was in the committee. >> yes, just because did not hear it. >> i was not the only one. >> and others were saying they didn't. >> others were saying they did. >> so my question is are there any other committees that are out there that we are not aware of? and if the city attorney says she does not have to answer the question. but in common decency, members of the commission should know what other commissioners are up to.

not in meeting, not in violation but what other committees are out there. >> madam attorney, do you have any responses? >> city attorney: can you clarify what the question is. >> the same question, he asked before. >> the question is, there was this committee that was formed to hire an analyst. i and at least one other member of the commission was not informed of the committee to go out and hire the analyst. my question was, are there any other committees out there for any other reason that the president has appointed and are we entitled to know? not necessarily what they're up to but know the existence of what they're issue they're looking at and who is on the committee. and i don't believe that comes close to violation of the brown act. >> no the brown act requires

that you have a publicly discussion of any of those items so you can ask to place that matter on the agenda and ask to be discussion on what other committees have been formed. >> so we have to ask for it to be agendized. >> correct, you can put it on the agenda. >> thank you, i'll fill out the thing. >> commissioner walker. >> thank you president elias. i know that i'm relatively new, i heard, i heard an announcement that the interviews were happening. i didn't, i don't think i was here to hear the origination of the committee or that we were looking. i feel like, i feel like the interviews are happening and it is a situation where maybe.

is is it able to be reviewed in closed session? i get the issue, we all like to be part of certain things and some that we can't be part it. >> so typically, whenever you have a hiring for the commission, it's usually in the context of a commission secretary. so in that, you have to have an open session of the criteria and about the qualifications that you're looking for in open session when it comes to interviewing individual candidates that will be done in open session. this the criteria is discussed in open session and job postings can be discussed in open and separate step if it's an individual candidate that it cannot be discussed in open session. >> okay, i mean, in the

commissions i've been on, the commission hired the director of department and we do it and we interview as a process and then we go into closed session to make decisions. >> and just to clarify, the criteria to develop the job description and qualifications should have been done in open session but when we're talking about specific candidates that should have been done in closed session. >> okay, so it's an option, especially if there is a recommendation? might be a good thing. i feel like, we're stronger together, does that sound like a poem. and just to know and not feel left out. and i don't think it's intentional, people feel that there was a carry over memory, i know that i heard it in the announcements, the process, i just want didn't want to assume that i was the only one that didn't know. >> commissioner yee.

>> thank you, madam chair. my, i guess my remarks is transparency making sure that you're open to all. i'm just saying, you have the same three commissioners on the, it was on the 9.07 and now on the hiring phase. so i'm asking that question, is it practice or something that you know, this commission is going forward? so it would be good to be inclusive. and ask if you would like to have the interview. i don't think we have the opportunity, that would be my question to you. >> okay. well i take offense on the transparency because i have worked extremely hard and made more progress than other

commissioner president, as far as transparency. i mentioned it to the chief when the budget came up because there was a hiring freeze and it was also braupt. i know that it also mentioned in the matrix that dpa had covered. so it was out there in terms of the ability to volunteer, to sign up, to ask to be a part of it. we did one round of interviews where the department hr manager felt they were not part of candidate. so we had to repost this position. so again, it's been going on for more than a year. and there are rules that we have to follow with violating brown. and i know you had made a comment on 907 as to why you can attend and there was a violation of the brown act when we first joined the commission, we were given a binder which outlines all the laws and rules that we have to adhere to.

so i think that that is something that i'm cognizant on and what we've done. >> absolutely, the meeting before the meeting at the commission, i announced that i like to attend. i was not told in this commission that there was three commissioner attending and that you'll be asked not to attend. wait. you give me the consideration to hear the arguments between our community regarding this 9.07. i'm not against it, here, i guess the changes on there. i just want to be included. that's the thing i'm saying. if i say, no, you're not included well then say it right. just say, we're not included. and this is the way you're

going to rule. that's how i'm saying it. >> in all fairness, the three assigned commissioners to the working group were doing substancetive work like the 7.01 that the commissioner attend every working work so they can do. i understand what you're saying, and commissioner walker said it, sometimes we're permitted to be there and sometimes we can't. we all understand our obligation. >> i agree with you on that, but if i came before this meeting and asked you on a commission, you can say we have three on there and commissioners on there, if you like, we can tell you what is going on. >> we did that. >> who sat down with me? >> i cannot sit down with you,

if there is three of us, i cannot have a conversation, that's a violation of the brown act. so that's why we came every commission meeting to give you updates about what with updates. this notion, we were not being transparent or trying to keep things or not being as open as possible, i gave updates, commissioner benedicto, commissioner oberstone gave updates. we cannot have these private conversations that's not permitted by law and not allowed. >> if i may be heard. >> i didn't point, if it's not nothing new, we should move on. >> the point is, at the meeting, the commissioner wanted to go to. one of the commissioners had abstained from going on that

meet involving the chinese community which mr. commissioner yee is connected to. that was not violation as it was an open meeting, they were here, you were there to hear public comment. >> i'm not going to interject because 9.07 is not on the agenda and this discussion is out of rail. and if folks have comments on 9.07, but i don't think we can think we can speak of as a separate item during commission reports. >> we need to get back on track. we should go to the cart presentation. we have the presenters ready and waiting. >> since we recalled line item 7, for members who would like to make public. please approach the podium. and there is no public comment.

line item 8, chris are you still with us? >> yes, yes, i am. >> sergeant reynolds is going to run the power point for you. it will be up on the screen, if you don't mind saying next slide. >> thank you so much and thanks for the commission, having me present. i was last in the commission in 2019 when the commission houseds a resolution to end policing the first responder to homelessness and while progress, was made. and how it is that the commission will continue supporting this. so just introduced myself i'm an assistant processor of sociology at ucla but any

research was in san francisco where i was a researcher in uc berkeley. so please, next slide. so, i want to begin just reviewing the problem as it is with responding to homelessness in san francisco through sfpd. over 9,000 homeless related calls, it says 2019 and it was actually higher in 2019 but in 2022 resent budget analyst found this. and i want to be clear that this is not all the crime that individuals may be involved in but quality of why, related violations such as bylaw, encampments and trespassing that are considered homeless related.

this is costive and affective. that's when officers were addressing homelessness. that number went up in terms of resources. and consensus that that is not affective and many found the work demeaning demoralizing. i spent a lot of time with the housing unit and alley crews between 2015 and 2018 where i didn't realize how much that these officers and workers did not want to be doing this. they talked about this job being ineffective being made service for healthy homeowners who are calling them and for unhoused folks being cleaned and there was a lot of

demoralization among these workers. next slide please. so this slide shows an analysis that i did, it is done by the department of emergency management. but this shows, a great increase in homeless compliance, these are on a monthly basis between 2011 and 2018. this is in the red line, it increased only 8% between these years. but the calls for a police dispatch increased by 76%. the date went up to 14,000 calls a month according to department of emergency management. and subsequent years and then reduced that down to current

between 8 and 9,000 dispatchers a month for these homeless related calls. so unfortunately, not much has changed. but this is to show that even when homelessness is not changing in terms of what we're seeing on the street that the response is being complaint driven by residents and business that's are calling on the police to do this work. next slide please. government analysis, a budget analyst report that was by initial initial did. and i don't know the person who we called upon is called on arrival.

move along order and outcome in the community base study where we surveyed 350 unhoused. we have 91% of the times when asked what do you do? those who did move inside were in buses. and services are rarely renders. the situation is changed since we first did this research but at this moment, it's important that volunteer shelter and the federal court ruled and just affirmed this ruling that sfpd does not have enough shelter

when carrying out their current enforcement. next slide please. many colleagues that have found that policing can result in negative impacts and health and human services. so the camle evictions result in medications. we have doctors reach out to us that they're clients were using so much medication that we needed to reform these policies but taking survival gear to

follow-up on their client. this is one of the reasons that the cec line on this research, put a moratorium on these evictions at the beginning of the pandemic. we also found ways to decrease public safety. without placement amplifies conflict and staff and violence by forcing people to move into unfamiliar areas and straining relationships on the street. you're moving into encampments with other folks, it makes you seem as a threat because you're a threat of. and i'm a, i turned 56 nights in the streets of san francisco and saw the ways how they follow orders created a lot of

tension between those in the streets trying to settle. there is also property confiscation, important paperwork, tools for work and a number of personal. next slide please. in a number of citations were given and about 8%. at one point, i'm happy to say that they helped in reforms that have happened next to the financial project and d.a.'s office but this still creates problems for people.

a moment where the african is 5%. 25 of those people experiencing homelessness are african-american. but we also found in our survey that african-american xaoeshsing homelessness reported more frequent and more intense policing than their white counterparts. so a past torres losing that we should not use police as first responders to homelessness. and the program that i'm going to talk about now is compassionate alternative team

or cart. and this seems to create a future of non criminalization. next slide please. the expectation of this program is that in the policing process, it will not increase problems, and not end homelessness but it will end the policing to homelessness. under that, the formal began for inclusive process for united community advocate including myself along with key city departments from elected officials. as well as initially the

mayor's office. to facilitate a collective process. and from the start the group was intentional about center unhoused individuals in the design of this alternative. this is the foundation of this work that went forward here. and another response team instead of chart. and i'm happy to talk about the differences. but it is different and it does not fit the fidelity in a

number of ways. next slide please. so the golden outcome are eliminating the police in first responders. increasing safety for unhoused people and reducing and building community by empowering to more compassionately response to the unhoused neighbors. working the in teams of two. so they will respond for people not calling 9-1-1 but also transferred calls not going into 9-1-1.

and by funds from the police budget. so this is just to be clear. we have the squirt and also swirt which are addressing these medical and mental health calls which i'll talk about and has proven successful in evaluations and we're excited about. another 9,000 calls a month which they're not touching at

all is what they will be responding to. next slide. i think we can go ahead and move on to the next slide. so this is really key. and they're going to be trained and interpersonal conflict. and medical services, steps addiction referral resources. and thsz based on a lot of research about the models which

i'll mention at the next slide at the end. but it also includes another prong approach which is this community strengthening services. and offer training. next slide. we had a team looking at existing models, and at the time, there was really one group that had a lot of coverage which is the first one here. and there which has been service for a long time, they found it reduces responses, significantly. currently 15% of all 9-1-1

calls are these homeless related ones, so it's similar. only one percent of the cases did they have to bring them back to the police. since then there have been two other programs which have been initialed which i've been following. that would match more of the court model and here they found that they left serious crime. that is about 500 cheaper for each to send the star program rather than police. similar things have been found

in portland. the thing to highlight is that is reduce the amount of welfare checks which is a common problem here. and out reach activity so speaking to the program. and next slide. and i'll put this up and i'll go over any questions. one successful model, we should bring up is the skiter here in san francisco. rt here in san francisco as they move forward in the budget act to expand this response. and i'll leave it at that for

any questions you may have. thank you very much. >> thank you for your presentation and the pamphlet you gave to the commission, it was very informative. i'm going to turn it over to commissioner walker. >> commissioner walker: thank you for the work that you're all doing. a couple of questions, alphabetic group and also the hot team.

which specifies the and this involves the 800 calls. medical calls. the hot team is, under the department of public health. they are team with h sock so encampment resolutions they will go out and do initial out

reach and work with clients doing shelter and also doing a number of casework out in the streets. they are not tied however to 9-1-1. and most all are going to dpw or police. they are not driven by callers they're more based on working on statistics. and they're pretty new. and that 8 to 9,000 calls a month, skirt and hot will have no response to.

>> yes, and i think a lot have been on ride alongs where there is a lot of issues that come up. it seems that those three groups do respond when the police are called out or asked to come out and resolve something and they don't do it because it's not their venue but they bring in these other teams. if you factor in the various neighborhood groups what we need is to coordinate all of this stuff.

i'm hearing the same thing from some of the folks in the fire commission. i think it would be a good idea to do an all party's meeting on this and figure this out. i think everybody is frustrated because there is a lot of interest and groups forming. and i'm saying that from the outside so bear with me. now it cart is really responsive to connection from both folks who need the homeless folks who need assistance as well as neighbors? and is the service provided in place?

or is there an effort to try and bring people into triaage? i guess i would ask those questions. >> thanks, first i would like to say that there are multiple attempts both with the integrated homeless department and now with h shock. and that should condition, that being said, we have seen evidence base programs where where you just remove the call first going to police. i agree, it's not going to solve homelessness but it can and it has shown that you have these outcomes that you presented.

we know that there is a huge shortage of shelter, housing and resources and that's always going to be the bottle neck. there is a greater chance of people meeting their immediate needs and getting say, the being willing to go into a clinical setting. they're approached by a professional rather than a professional that may be able to speak to them in the way. that would try to, worry about, trust issues from past experience. and even if those initial

contacts of being able to bridge people into at least medical settings that are not taking it. but yeah, i think without more shelter or housing, we're not going to see people moving into the bottle neck. just to i think ms. freedmucker knows this, at the department of building inspection, we were ahead of resolving tentative issues. violation of building code or planning code that would put a

tenant at-risk. and we did an out reach program. and creating a violation so to steam the violation. making sure we're hooked up into it. being really clear to define what our outcome is is really important in those things. >> and to be clear, the outcome is to reduce the number of times that a police officer is dispatched to to respond to an encampment or homeless complaint.

>> from that policing. >> yeah, i think it's important to i understand the negative impacts that affect the both the folks that are homeless as well as the community at large. it's an important part and i think this is really good. >> thank you, commissioner yanez. >> thank you for the presentation, this is great information. i have a question, i believe it's page 6 maybe, slide 2-4, there is a statement about policing prolongs homelessness. can you elaborate how you came to this conclusion? >> so this is the survey, the survey of 350 unhoused folks

about the frequency and experience that they had with policing. and also my own research over 5 years in san francisco, spending time out in the streets and all individuals who were experiencing less. with the move along orders and people losing belongings either shifting from one place or the other or taking that property when people were not there. i saw people lose expensive and life saving medicines.

losing ids and paperwork where they had to go back and get this paperwork to be able to get in the process and eventually they were able to get housing or into shelter but this is the latest citation for people in debt. at some point they were working to work on but they were so weighed down from unpaid citations from their time being homeless or other court fees. people who lost tools for work. i knew people who were, even if they were scheduled they would have to i know people who lost jobs in those cases. i know a number of people who

lost going to the hospital. they knew that it would be under threat of being taken. they would avoid going and getting care for, you know, critical i could go on and on of these circumstances but it turns into a barrier. or if they were trying to get drug treatment. even if you were not incarcerated, san francisco is great at reducing incarceration but these move along orders all of these things create barriers from moving on from homelessness and even when it's scenes by some of the officers, we're just asking people to move. oh these citations, they cannot

handled by the coalition. you don't realize the cumulative affect. creates situation that push people back from escaping homelessness. >> thank you for that. and you also noted that there have been some improvements from 14,000 citations per year 19, obviously we're limited as far as what we can do as far as policy. what our department can do when they do respond to the call.

>> you know, this is tricky because there have been improvement in under gas con there was some improvement, unpaid ietizations not going to warrant dismissal some of these unpaid citations. we're still not clear on the impact of citations now. and the courts are not no longer reporting how many of these citations are being given each year. having that data can be useful to monitor and it could help organizers understand the impact of that helping us gather this citation data would be one thing. the tricky part i say, the main issue is going through sanization work where police

are escorting and property is being taken. and this is the aim of the federal lawsuit right now. and i'm happy to think through this. but the biggest thing that we're finding is reduced the need to reduce the negative impact of stolen property by the city that is depriving people of their belongings. >> chief would do you have any comments on what the action the department would be able to reduce or minimize that impact on unhoused people? >> commissioner as far as the last issue with the department is not, engaged in confiscating of property. one of the things that the department of problem works who does the bag and tag when

property is restored, it's about coordination, just commission pass the resolution that you can push the needle and our main role is to make sure that these situation right side peaceful if we're called. but as far as the property itself, two things, if property needs to be stored or needs a place to store and of course the record keeping to make sure that the people get their property back. there are systems, and i know there have been hiccups that have been documented. but it really does take all of these entities working together, i don't think any of those can do these alone.

we all have a little bit of stake in this. it's not just unhoused people, a lot of times there are issues where it's appropriate to be there. but sometimes it's not and communications and working together when we do that we're more affective and not having these property lost. it does take partnership across the board. >> and to the second point, with regard to collecting citation information. if the courts are no longer capturing this and we can determine whether we're improving, that something the department will be able to do? we collect the information and we report before that.

we can capture that information and we can track that and we do. >> i know that was one of the asks in my meeting with the cart folks, that data point is very important. that way we know that the department is responding to the resolutions that this commission passed, right. so i would encourage us to collect that or maybe he can frame that for us to be better informed. and the last question i would have is what else can this commission do to be supportive cart program. they've been proactive in disengaging because of the fact that there may be drugs or violence.

it was a surprise to me that the city awarded a completely different program that does not require the training that this cart program is has as part of its model. that was one of the things most impressive to me. adheres to this program model. so what would we be able to support whether it's a proposal or another resolution, i'm not sure what the next step would be. >> part of the presentation i think it was mentioned calls

from members of the community drive a lot of response. and i'm not those calls started to happen with crt. i'm not exactly sure, i know i met with ms. freeddom boker about how that is going to be handled. i think that is something that we need to delve further into it. then what happens, how are we track iting?

there is more to be discussed. and also listening. i know the commission has listened to the public, the not only the >> thank you those are my questions. >> last time, there were some issues with the department being non responsive but it seems those have been resolved. >> sorry. >> meaning the police department, i'm not remembering, i'm so sorry.

>> i know,--so apparently not an issue. >> good job, chief. >> okay, thank you about that. >> okay, i'll leave it alone. we do have conversations. we have had many. >> the last time that they presented that was one of the things, between you and the department it's been more than a year, i think. >> at this point, things are at dem and everything has been stalled, actually two years. so having the support of the commission to you know, whatever, you're the mayor, et cetera and really, i think this is a great way, there is been a lot of talk about the police departments workload and it's a great way to lighten the workload and address some of the other things.

i think this department can play an important role in making this happen. and i think the idea is to make sure that all the issues are resolved and it would be part of that, the cart report, making sure that the issues are on both sides. and also the public has their expectations managed as well. that they're educated and engaged in their solution so we decrease the 9-1-1 calls. that's a big part. and you alluded, we really, it's, a lot of times neighbors can help each other whether they're housed or unhoused without involving 9-1-1. >> i know when i go to the district stations, that's one of the concerns that officers have. and not within the their wheel house which takes up time from

their ability too. commissioner yee. >> i have a question, is chris still on the line? >> uh-huh. >> yeah, on the page of cart program design and and then you have the response team. is there a certain number of teams that you're looking to have for this program? >> i would have to go and look at the report itself. but we base the 6.8 million cost. on how much it would cost, other teams to cover the apartment of calls which at that time, we were looking at

about 60,000 calls a year. i guess to get an idea would be that there were 21 full-time officers responding to the 9-1-1 calls and other that were homeless related. that was with police response. they began as a pilot program and they continued to expand and there is a lot of research scaling up. but hopefully they can use some sense of how it may start and where it may stop. >> i guess on the, 6,825,000 is

that in mixed wages. how many people to house and how is your service? i guess you would have for us to look at? >> yes, i can go back to the original report. i know we were looking at the amount of calls to get to that number. >> my other question is the time frame? what is the time frame to be fully activated? once the funding is approved

and it does involve, you know a training. i know that in the two cases i presented on in denver and in portland, that once those contracts were approved that the initial teams and they were smaller pilot teams began with that, began between 3 to 6 months in both locations. and both positive evaluations were approved for more funding. but they were launched on thed streets during their approval. >> sergeant. >> for members of the public that would like to make public comment online item 8, please approach the podium. >> hi i'm jennifer with the league of women voters of san francisco.

i've been coming to commission meetings for about six years. we've participated in a number of working groups and i'm here today as a member of the cart coalition and i wanted to express that this is a robust process kicked off by you. so in terms of talking about who needs to be involved, you've done that. i admit that many of you were not here then, but the cart coalition is eager to talk to you. cart is not asking you to fund me or any of the rest of us. to have somebody fund today do the work in the cart plan and then held accountable through that process. so again, it's not that i'm here to ask you for funding, i'm asking you support the city provide that as originally intended. thank you.

>> i'm going to step on delicate ground, when i read the report, it said there were at least 10 organizations in san francisco community organizations that were supporting cart. the police were on six of them that were unhoused. one of the guys i wrote a poem about him, it was published, he had a machete, i know people say, he had a machete. the guy did not speak english,

the police got there, the hot team is the one that called the police or maybe when she called, i read that she called the police. louis was there within 10 or 30 seconds, more than 30 bullets were fired and he was killed instantly, he was walking and lost his job and ended up unhoused. that is a fact, if you look at google, twitter, google, amazon, 28,000 electronics sales force, that's just about 5 or 8 or 9 companies that have lead up, ,000, 4%, 28% tech workforce. why people are homeless? they cannot afford the rent.

>> thank you, ma'am. >> jennifer on homelessness. thank you for engaging in this process. i see, i'm really excited. there is a lot of possibility to do, if you just feel like, things are coming together with this in terms of there is a lot of struggles, there is an opportunity to do things differently. and i want today highlight one element of the cart program that i think is important and that's the commitment to hire peers and folks that have the experience with homelessness. you can do it where you have designs where there is

geographic assigned teams. so you can have a commission that has spanish speaking members and you can have castro team, that is members of lgbtq community and all of that, and a huge part of that is having very extensive training of the peers. and that's where we see it work really well. where there is adoptive spending and responding and reviewing what happened and what worked and what didn't work and learning from that and changing. i just wanted highlight those areas of stuff. and the chief has been mentioned a lot collaboration and that's a key part of these.

you can shift the rest of the system up from there and redesign. and they can be connected with the team. thank you so much. >> and there is no other public comment. >> thank you. thank you again for the presentation. we look forward to another one, it's been more than one year. that's kind of a lot. next item. >> item number 9, adopt resolution, urging the board of supervisors to authorize chief of police to accept and expend a gift of nalox zone through the distribution project which is funded by the substance abuse and administered by the department of services. it will be used to combat

opioid overdose related deaths. discussion and possible action. >> good evening, president elias, members of the public, my name is patrick, i'm the chief financial officer for the police department. tonight we're requesting the commission approval for expense just a couple's numbers from everything. everyone, the number of noloxzone, we had 168 incidents in 2022 and year to date as of yesterday for 2023, we had 52 incidents with the application of nalopzone. so with this grantor kind gift,

we'll be able to restore what we have in the department. and if there are any questions, i'll be happy to answer them. >> thank you, commissioner byrne? >> one question. what does it mean to retro active. >> when we submit our application and they process it, once it's approved by their administrative folks, they send it over. so per mia mrikation they've shipped the product that's why it's retroactive. >> so you got it, and you want to come to us and recommend that you should get it. >> yes. >> okay, thank you. >> great, celebrate.

>> can i get a motion. >> public comment. >> pardon me. >> public comment. >> we can do that right now, look at you, you seasoned vet you. >> he's been in so many meetings. >> members of the public who want to make a public comment online item number 9, please approach the podium. seeing none, commissioner walker. >> yes. >> benedicto. >> yes. >>ian necessary. >> yes. >> byrne. >> yes. >> commissioner yee. >> yes. >> vice president carter o behr tone. >> yes. >> >> president elias. >> yes. >> 7 yeses. >> i was trying to get you out of here fast. you're welcome sir. next item. >> line item 10 approve a resolution drafted by the

commission that will provide labor negotiations for the department to use when meeting and conferring with the affected governoring meetings as by law. >> commissioner benedicto. >> thank you very much president elias. colleagues i've been mentioning that this was coming for a couple of weeks now. as you know when this commission considered 9.07, we received a letter of san francisco, it was not the first time that we received a letter like this. in fact, they date back to 2016 about meet and confer and some practices causing delays. and ensuring that we're complying with the law and

proceeds as expeditiously as possible. to that end, and each of those that we have presented since then, we have read instructions that have been, i think now unanimously adopted by the commission but to stair, i know that this wuz consistent with prior practices both with cohen did versions of this during their presidencies. so i've been work withing the deputy city attorney ms. cabrera to draft this resolution.

so it should move things along more efficiently and i'm happy to answer any questions on the resolution. >> thank you forget thising drafted and before a commission. i know, it was not an easy list. commissioner byrne. >> to the city attorney, are there any differences that were in the previous resolutions? is this the same as what was done before? or are there differences? >> deputy city attorney alicia cabrera, the same as we've been discussing. >> and no differences. >> no differences, this is consistent. >> thank you. >> i'll make a motion to adopt the resolution as drafted.

unless there is a change that needs to be made? >> yes, i want to to correct the non substancive like grammer and errors. >> i'll make that motion. >> sergeant. >> members of the public that would like to make public comment online item 10, please approach the item. no public comment. commissioner walker. >> yes. >> commissioner ben dick o. >> yes. >> commissioner yanez. >> yes. >> commissioner yee. >> yes. >> commissioner byrne. >> yes. >> vice president oberstone. >> yes. >> and president elias. >> yes. >> you have 7 yeses. >> next item. >> item number 11, physical evidence and crime scenes for the department to use with the

affective garbing units. >> good evening, deputy chief swaney, good evening president elias, commissioners. i'm here as a spon sore. 2.0d g.o. is crime evidence. the newer dgo is updated from i believe 94. and this d g.o. has an easier flow that is consistent with the rest of the d g.o.s. it does update evidence and how evidence is collected and how its integrated with the ballistic information network for casings.

and who i have behind me is mark from forensics. and acting lieutenant, and she also goes out actively as crime scenes and pros crime scenes. this new dgo is preventing contamination and collection. thank you, if you have any questions, i have my subject matter questions. >> i do have a question, on page 4, this is a clean copy regarding collecting evidence. i know that the language was changed from senior investigating officer to, responding officers present. but i think that what officer will be responsible for it?

are we talking about the reporting officer who writes the report, the senior investigating officer, the most highest ranking one? where does that responsible lie? from that language, it's a little unclear. >> we did discuss that and linn, you can fill-in on this. i believe the intent was the initial responding officer is responsible, that's how we looked at it. there are times when you would have a second or third is that is more senior but they came in after the fact. >> i'm just concerned because i think about it in a disciplinary context and they say, like, you know, the three of us respond which one is going to be tasks with collecting evidence? do you see what i'm saying? >> i do. >> how do you reconcile that? >> i'll read it again, referring to.

>> it's the first, the first sentence in h, collecting evidence. it's really the last portion which says the physicianest rest with the responding officer's present. >> right, i think that was put in there, because originally it says first responding officers or the highest ranking officer and that's. >> senior. it was senior senior investigating officer present. and that's on page 6. >> i feel like, who is it? when you say responding officers? present, that's multiple people, who does that task lion? >> if i can jump in. the reason it's written like that, is not appropriate in terms of chain of evidence to use the senior officer language. for instance, two junior officers, it's their scene and

their investigation, and chain belongs to them. senior officer shows up, they wouldn't make a whole lot of sense nor do i think it would be the right thing to do as far as processing. for them the senior officer to be responsible for collecting the evidence. the same if i got the call, it does not matter my tenure, we didn't want to confuse the issue. there are language in other dgo's of senior officers being responsible, chain of evidence is a different issue. >> right, but you have chain of evidence covered in the dgo as well, for the chain of custody, it's outlined in page 1 and 2 and then there is a whole section on the chain of sud. --custody. this is the collection part. the responsibility for proper collection of physician

evidence rest with the responding officers present. so if there are five officers on the scene, what officer is going to be tasked with collecting the evidence? how is that determined? we've seen cases, situations before where officers drive on scene and they said, i thought it was the other officer's duty. >> yeah, and in those cases, i think we're able to vet through that. but we're not talking about a non major crime scene, you name the crime. >> auto burglary. >> so you're holding both of them responsibility disciplinary if they fail to collect evidence. >> one officer, will collect the evidence and baokt evidence but both officers. >> but that's what i'm saying,

one officer is going to collect the evidence. the way this policy says, rest with the officer, both of them would be responsible and liable. >> in this situation, it could be. but the way it works, when the officer responds to a call, they communicate, you got books, i got cover and contact. those decisions are made depending on who has the responsibility. i don't know that policy should dictate that piece of the evidence collection. the officers will be held responsible. elias, they call, i don't believe that it's, that it's makes sense to prescribe that in the policy.

ultimately, they're all responsible. i think we're able to vet those through, because both officers are responsible. and if there is a senior officer in other parts of other dgos, they have the responsibility. >> oh and sorry. >> go ahead. >> and also in a scene, the reporting officer, we can tell by body worn camera what kind of direction is being given. you can have multiple reporting officers right, one collecting casings, another one might be collecting a firearm, another one. >> right. >> so there may be multiple that all have equal, that have equal responsibility. >> right. i assume that it's not going to be laid on one officer. >> my question is the person to delegate that. i hear from officers that want clear policy and what they could be liable for.

you know, the prior language had a designated person in terms of rank and who would take charge in the situations and then you changed it to a plural officers without designation. and the other reason i bring it up is because on the disciplinary review board there was an incident where an officer had taken home rather than book it and there, it was more of a policy failure that you had indicated rather than discipline chief in terms of this officer and those circumstances. so the situations like that, also come to mind when i read this policy. i don't see in this policy that officers if they do collect evidence they're to book it within a reasonable time period rather than take it home and do it the next day. >> yes, so. >> and you said it was a policy failure.

>> this is the policy. >> as far as the collecting evidence, so that one is, you know, example that deputy chief pointed out and the sample i pointed out, the senior officer has the responsibility from the leadership stand point. you and i are handling a call, i'm senior to you and you booked the evidence, i'm going to be held accountable for my part in this. but let's say you don't book the evidence, you know, you mishandle and you don't book the evidence, you have a responsibility for that. those are decision that's appropriately should be made in the field because you do swap off. not every officer is going to book every piece of evidence. and senior officer are going to

have in leadership. but to prescribe it, it would be not practical. where senior officer has the responsibility. to me this is something different because you have the complicated scenes often times where there is multiple people collecting. >> will we be addressing the failure for failing. >> i think there is some language. >> 6.15, noi he it says in number, i got my numbers mixed up. it goes into the category of evidence and chain of custody. but i think there is any

collection where when they collect it they have to book it to preserve. >> and again i bring it up because you said it was a policy failure and this is the policy, we should--hi. that's right. >> there is another dgo. >> will that address the policy failure. >> that's what we're working on. >> we'll try to make sure it's in at least that one. >> great. thank you. >> thank you. >> at this, commander jones. >> thank you, president elias. i had a couple of substancetive

questions. so first page section 2-a., the last sent anssinger, i think there should be the word and inserted. is a major crime scene and includes not only the area where the, where the criminal or non criminal account occured but also approached. on page 3, 2 f1, sorry, this is all clean copy. i think it should be flur al scenes.

and this one is a question on page 9. >> you're saying all crime tape. >> all crime scenes and major incident scene. two and one. >> okay. >> page 9, this is a question, not sure. and of course i forgot to circle this. and on page 4, the second paragraph section g. in the first sentence to gloves and every refers to fresh latex

or nitrile gloves, if not we should change it with that to be consistent. >> that sounds reasonable. okay, so page 5, gunshot residue. >> gsr, do we know if that's right? is there a legal decision saying that the exception applies to gunshot residue? >> i would have to come back

and look at that. >> so we did have that research and look at that, that is correct. >> this came up in another policy. in 2017, the u.s. supreme court said there is for taking blood in a situation. in the fact that the blood alcohol dissipates overtime, i don't know how gun residue dissipates, than the alcohol in your blood, but i'm not aware of a kind of controlling

decision saying that. i have not researched it either so i'm not saying it's not out there. i would have to hate this as a policy and then it gets thrown out. i think you could say that you can take a custodial at rest. but if somebody is not being arrested, it's not obvious that it would apply in every circumstance. >> that is, you are absolutely connect but we cannot without a custodial situation demand that people's hands are tested for residue.

that is correct and we can, we can actually modify that. yeah, because if it's a detention you don't have the requirements. >> i had a very basic question, this could be a dumb question so brace yourself. so section, question document. what, i mean all the documents on this list, all the things on

this list are documents, what makes them questioned documents? >> that's the technical word that is used in law enforcement. >> i warned you the question may be dumb. as it relates to the gunshot residue, chief, do you want to put this over and amend it? >> yes, yeah, i think we should. we should put it over and amend it and make sure that we have the case law solid and we clarify and note that i just wrote. >> that's everything for me.

>> henderson. >> this is a policy that has been around and revised since 1994 and, it's a big deal that we're getting important things like this it's a still but also of the police commission so i wanted to acknowledge that and also the team that worked on this, january he will and jermaine and nicole and just to make sure that this does not get lost. that we talked about extensively on the dna references that are collected from victims and witnesses are restricted to be used for

forensic evidence. this is where it's been codified and made into a rule and thank the collaborative inclusive of the commission and department for moving this and getting this done. it's very timely, it's been a long time coming and it's a big deal that this is happening now. >> can we bring it back next week, does that give you enough time. >> i'm not going to be here next week but you'll have a representative. >> i'll give you a copy friday morning. >> yes. >> but you'll be here next week. >> no, but i'll have somebody here. >> do you want me to put it over until you come back. >> you can, it's totally up to you. >> i think we can, i think we

can do it next week. >> and director henderson, if you can thank your team. >> thank you to the department for their work as well. >> all right, sergeant. >> for members of the public, please approach the podium if would you like to make public comment. no public comment. on item 12, discussion and possible action to revise 9.07 stops in meeting discussion and possible action. >> thank you, vice president oberstone. >> thank you president elias, i'll be very brief, we discussed this many times with this commission and we voted to send this policy to meet and confer on january 11th. at that meeting, chief indicated that he could support

the policy if we made some changes that indicated and clarified what the policy always did which is to deprioritize certain stops, while leaving open avenues for endorsement and chief and i worked on some language to that affect. i really appreciate the which chief and i were able to work on it collaborative. and i just want to thank him for that. and i will leave it at that. i'm happy to answer any questions or partake in discussion if commissioners decide to. i didn't want to be presumptuous.

>> chief scott. --commissioner >> the language and also explaining the situations where officers can enforce and really clarifying some of the language. i think was what i asked for, i do support this policy and as written and just want to thank commissioner and the rest of the commission for hearing us out on this. >> thank you, chief. i also want to commend vice president oberstone and the chief who worked together they found language that was satisfying to all and that's how we're here now. it demonstrate the collaboration that can happen and how we move things forward. i'm going to turnover to

commissioner benedicto but i know we killed it all the thank you, but i want to express thank you to officer jones, not only am i convince that you memorized the traffic laws but i want to recognize and commend you for your tremendous contribution to this process, not only during the working groups but the private conversations, email and research because we didn't have a policy analyst to do this for us, you picked up the ball and helped us with explaining the traffic code, telling us what the traffic laws are, really helping us understand if it's not included in this policy or how we would word it because of the various traffic laws that you've memorized. not only that, i think it speaks involves to who you are and i think the work ethic you have. because when we went to the various groups and had discussion wz patrol officers

and even higher ranking officials when your name came up or when you spoke, it was clear the amount of respect and grace that people had when it came to the awards that you spoke or your suggestion. i want to thank you, because i don't believe that we would be here without your invaluable input which i know we relied on. thank you very much. and i'm told 9:01 is coming which is another policy you worked on. hopefully have you back here. commissioner benedicto. >> thank you president elias, i want to echo everything that president elias said about officer stone and commend vice president oberstone and chief. it was a late night and we were proud of that policy and these,

not which again this is for the chief and being able to produce a version that, you know, we set it i hope that versioned unanimously but it didn't. but i hope this version passes unanimously. it's a policy that should commission can be proud of, comprehensive and policy that is reasonable and that is a policy that we'll significantly improve and achieve the goals that we've set out to achieve with this policy. also something that i know vice president oberstone mentioned last week, this includes minor edits. so, happy to make a motion to approve the revised general 9.07 for the department to use

with the bargaining units. along with the attached language but yet unnumbered labor resolution as well. >> thank you, commissioner byrne? >> chief, thank you. chief, when i read the revised version, the main change to me put into purpose of use so that would be the first paragraph. so why did that change the department's mind on stops? >> the discussion about using specific language as to deprioritization rather than ban that was one of the issues that i raised. and then the other thing in the policy, clarifying in section

c, i believe, it's where those changes. i know we went back and forth about where the language would live. but the other part i think in section there was some clarifying language there as well. in particular the exception right before 4 or 5 where it says nothing in this section of actions as long as it does not result in an investigative. and i don't have the copy but there was some clarifying language to be more specific on

snz officers with enforce, even though we're deprioritizing in certain occasions. and under what conditions they can enforce. the policy of this enforcement. and there was some previous versions where that language was pretty much did say that. >> and is their position still the same? >> i cannot say that every member is going to agree or feel the same way. but sme that worked on it

including officer jones, we went back and forth and try to come up with language that people can understand, understand what they can and can't do. to make it clear, one of the complaints that i get from officers, that our policies are confusing what they can and can't do. that was part of the focus. >> i'm sure you understand better than i do, the importance of getting a buy in from the department of rank and file. in order to make the policy affective, buy in is really critical. change comes easier when people are open to it. >> i do i understand that. and even though i was not part of the commission out reach, they want today hear from the south sider.

officers. officers did attend those sessions and changes did come from those sessions. for instance one of the early hang ups that officers were upset about was tinted windows was included in the list. after hearing from the officers and listening session and private that was removed. and plus, i think some data kind of was another reason why that was removed. did everybody get everything they wanted in this policy, no? can i say every officer agrees in no, but we made every effort to hear the officer's concerns. and we need to move on. >> thank you. >> thank you, i also want to

reiterate and thank everyone involved in discussions to get to a version that we can all support. i would like to reiterate that there is concerns, i think we heard from some of the folks from vision zero around pedestrian safety and some concerns around seniors. we need to make sure that we take enough data. that there are consequence fz our officers are not making these stops. when we getting presentations, we didn't have the data about consequences. as we're collecting data and dpa can look at this too.

we need to make sure that there are no consequences. thank you again for all of you working together. working together to make this happen. >> you know we were one of the principal people that made the policies i absolutely believe and commend all the folks that participated in these not so easy negotiations to get this to final draft, i'm 100% certain that this policy puts us on the right side of history and i think that's important. i want to make sure that this is why we collectively worked

so arduously and we didn't agree. i don't think everyone got what they wanted but i'm confident that we moved this in right direction and affirmed as having made the right decision collaboratively, that's it. >> thank you president elias. i do think that we will be on the right side of history as director henderson said and there will be a right side and wrong side sooner than we know. i did want to address commissioner walker's point about impacts on pedestrians and on the disabled community. i want to note for the record, we did meet with the mayor's office of disability and the

mayor's office of aging to hear specific concerns. we also made sure that they were not part of the collisions on the roadway. the point is well taken that we will have to look at how the data shifts. but as of the current data, there is no recommendation. >> we adopted some of their recommendations. >> we did adopt, that is a good point, and we did adopt some of their specific recommendations. there is a motion already, i will second the motion. >> for members of the public that would like to make public

comment on item 12, please approach the podium. no public comment on the motion, commissioner walker how do you vote. >> yes. >> commissioner benedicto. >> yes. >> commissioner yanez. >> yes. >> commissioner byrne. >> yes. >> commissioner yee. >> yes. >> commissioner yee is yes. vice president. >> yes. >> vice president oberstone is yes. and president elias. >> yes. >> you have 7 yeses. >> next item, item 13 on whether to hold item 15 in closed session. if you would like to make a public comment, please approach the podium. item 14, vote on whether to hold item 15 in closed session including vote on whether to

assert the attorney-client privilege with regard. >> motion. >> second. >> on the motion, commissioner walker how do you vote. >> yes. >> benedicto. >> yes. >> commissioner yanez. >> yes. >> commissioner byrne. >> yes. >> commissioner yee. >> yes. >> vice president oberstone. >> yes. >> president elias. >> yes. >> you have 7 yeses, we will go into closed session.

going 90 charlie. go ahead. we moved to san francisco in 1982. we came from the philippines. i have three kids nathan, jessica and iva. i was really young. when i had neat, i turned 19. and then two weeks later, he was born. so when he was fine, i

used to watch cops all the time. all the time and so he would watch with me. he had his little handcuffs and his little toy walkie talkie. and then whenever the theme song came on, he would walk around and he just thought he was the baddest little thing. i think he was in kindergarten at sheridan because he and i attended the same elementary school there was an officer bill. he would just be like mom officer bill was there then one day, he said, mom, i touched his gun. and he was just so happy about it. everything happened at five minutes. i would say everything. happened at 4 to 5 years old. it's like one of those goals to where you just you can't you can't just let go. high school. i think you know everybody kind of strays. he was just riding the wave. and i mean, he graduated. thank god.

one day i think he was about 20 or 21. he told me, he said mom. i want to be a cop or a firefighter, i said. no you're going to be a firefighter. but that's really not what he wanted to do. his words were i want to make a difference. and that was a really proud moment for me when he said that my dad was a cop in the philippines for 20 years. i think a lot of that played a role into his becoming a cop. my dad was really happy about it. my mom. she was kind of worried, but i just figured i can't stop him. he can make his own decisions. stu. i just want to say what's up? how you doing? good. good. no i'm trying to look good for us to looking good for us to so when he was in the

police academy, mind you this kid was not a very studious kid. but i've never seen him want something so bad when he was home. he'd be in his room studying the codes. he really fought for it. hi. what's your name? i'm nate. nate is great with kids, and he would give them hugs or give them stickers. i think that that's a positive influence on the kids, and then the people around you see it. once he makes that connection with people and they trust him that foundation that respect people look at you and see your actions more than your words and so that i think will reach people more than anything. you could say you later, brother. thank you. all right, see you. it's a really hard job. i know you. you see a lot of the negative for me. i would not put

myself through that if i didn't care. you know, you have to be the right kind of person. you have to have the right heart to want to do that. when people ask me if you know what my son does , um, i just tell him he's a cop , and i just feel like i'm beaming with pride. i always told him when he was young that he would do something great. and so to see it. it's i have a moment. i'm very proud of him.

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