patrick. >> welcome to another episode of

stay safe i saw us prepare our crawl space on this episode we'll saw the sheer wall you'll see the finished product hi, i'm patrick and welcome to another episode of stay safe? the second part we're retrofitting the triple wall as you can see we've installed one of the sheer ply wall on the first episode we provided blocking to secure the ply we'd

and bolted and provided the connection with the floor i'm joined by thor madison. >> thor structural engineers and thor knows more about sheer walls than anybody i've met in my life. >> it provides the stable ability that would rock before and after during around earthquake the nails along the edge of the plywood will reduce the chance of the building falling down. >> what else should we consider in getting ready. >> one thing about plywood a natural material that absorbs moisture and the panels can swell depending on the moisture if they swell they'll bulk out

it is important probation officer leave a gap between the panels so before we install the next panel we'll drive in a couple of nails used to as temporary spares. >> what are the nails. >> 16 penny singers a good saying that and we don't need to be concerned with the exact nail size only the gap the next panel will be held with the existing panel we'll pull those down. >> we have peter from the construction why not go outside and cut our second panel

so, now we've got the plywood let's go ahead and get it put up see if we can get it in place. >> by looking at that a perfect fit why not get peter in here to nail it down. >> so peter did a great job with the nailing but important to know this work requires a permit in the department of building inspection whether you're doing the work or a left hand contractor make sure you have the proper permit and additional to the nailing

anything you want to talk about thinking about the plywood. >> the more plywood to install the better and make sure that the nails along each edge of each panel so you can't forget and hedge and had it perform the same thing. >> another example of little money you can substantially rusz reduce the

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www.sfgovtv.org. item 1, roll call. [roll call] >> thank you, i'll read the ramaytush oholone land acknowledgment at this time. the san francisco fire commission acknowledges that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land, and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost, nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we

recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders, and relatives of the ramaytush ohlone community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. madam secretary. >> item 2, general public comment. >> madam secretary, any member of the public that wishes to give public comment at this time? >> there is no public comment-oh, excuse me. >> please approach the podium. announce your- >> good morning. my name is sierous hall, a resident of district 7. good morning. perhaps more relevant then where i live is i walk bike and ride muni to get around the city and over the past

11 years i have become all too particular with the vehicle violence that plagues san francisco and united states as a whole. today i ask the fire department send a represent toov the the sfmta board when safe plans are for approval for feedback and plans can be discussed. the fire department is in the business of saving lives but over it last year it is clear the fire department plays a sig cont role perpetuated unsafe street design in the city. refrain from sfmta staff and leadership has become more common. we can't build safe roads and streetss because the fire department says they need to be designed such inherently unsafe to pedestrian bikers and other active transportation users. at last week's sfmta board

meeting various versions were invoked by director tomlen and sfmta staff. three times batting back questions from frustrated and vexed board why designs are teped dealing with dangerous roads and streets. e-mail and one on one conversations we hear sf fire department is (indiscernible) despite standard practice in safer countries with lower death and no epidemic of out of control fire. san francisco streets have proven bad designs killing 38 people last year, yet there is never a fire department representative when safe street projects degraded due to departmental feedback are presented to the board. instead staff carry the fire department water. looking at the history of this commission meetings i see no discussion of vision zero this year. i can find no published plans for the next steps the fire department is taking to help

reach vision zero. the last fire department strategic plan from 2017 three years after the city adopted vision zero in 2014 does not contain the term, vision zero. the fire department does not show unin the 2021 vision zero strategic action plan. the department is mising inaction. this must change. the department needs a clear strategic operational plan designed in coordination of other agencies and safe street advocates laying how the department adjust street design that protect rather then expose users. the fire department should clearly be involved in those designs. we need streets that allow emergency vehicles to reach their destinations in a timely fashion. we all agree on that. but that involvement can not be more of the same. the fire department must be a active public participating agency committed to vision zero. thank you. >> thank you very much. if your name mr. hall? thank you

mr. hall. any other members who wish to comment? at this time both physically or virtually? >> i do not see other public comment president. >> thank you very much. public comment is closed. at this point, please mark madam secretary our arrival of commissioner feinstein at 907. at the prerogative of the chair i will after approval of the minutes, the next item, item 4 which is presentation of fire science and fire academy program at city college will be moved as the chief of the department needs to attended the mayor meeting and will have the chief of department report first and then we'll have the city college presentation. madam secretary, can we continue with the approval of the minutes? >> item 3, approval of the minutes. discussion and possible action to approve meeting minutes from regular meeting on march 22, 2023. >> thank you madam secretary. any member of the

public that wish to give public comment at this time in approval of the minutes? no one in the chambers, anyone on virtual madam secretary? >> no, there st. not. >> thank you very much. approval of the minutes. may i have a motion please from the commissioners? >> i so move, mr. president. >> thank you very much commissioner feinstein. second, please. >> i second that. >> thank you very much vice president morgan. madam secretary. >> item 4- >> i have to call the vote for myself and commissioner fraser so i vote yes and commissioner fraser needs to be called on this. >> thank you very much moved and seconded. thank you very much. i will move the item of the chief department up madam secretary. chief nicholson, by remote,b welcome, recollect good morning. >> greetings and salutations and thank you for

accommodating me. again, as you know the mayor has her department head meeting every second wednesday in the morning. today i am down at the ferry building. greetings president vice president morgan, commissioner feinstein and commissioner fraser and command staff and cathy thank you for stepping in for maureen today. >> you're welcome, chief. >> so, overthe last couple week s, i had numerous events and meetings, so i'll just go over broadly what i have attended. with assistant deputy chief shawn brewford we met with cheryl davis from

human rights commission and racial equity to give a update on the dei work and any direction they may have for us. they are quite pleased with the fire department up to this point. so, that's good news. i went to also with shawn brewford to the san francisco firefighter youth academy family aappreciation lunch put on by the black firefighter association. they have youth academy they run and they wanted to thank everyone for the support so the mayor was attendance, supervisor walton, the office of economic workforce development, city emt. it was really nice event and they are doing really good work with the youth academy. last month was women's month and i attended several events. (indiscernible) had a conference and i

was on a panel with other-with law enforcement leaders from the bay area and that was a all day event, well attended. the san francisco police department had a women's luncheon and i was able to speak at that as well. there were women from police department, sheriff department, dpt, women from all other city government. it was a nice event. i greeted the h3 level 1 class of emt's that started a couple weeks ago, and i'm also proud to say we have 6 young people from our city emt program that are in that class, which is exactly what we wanted to see moving forward was young people from city emt granted an

opportunity. mostly over the past couple weeks i have been in meet and greets with possible-with candidates for the 132 class. today there will be a letter going out to many of those people asking if they are interested in this next class or if they like to differ to the 133 class and i believe there will be letters going out acknowledging people-thanking them for their interest and letting them know they will not move on at this time. tonight simon pang, assistant deputy chief simon pang will get a good government award at city hall. it is in the north court at 5:30 p.m. big deal. a city wide award that is given out to

people who have-to folks that work for the city and good work they have done so he is honored for his work with community paramedicine and alternatives to policing, et cetera. i know that retired captain jimmy connors is here to present today and i'm sorry that i am missing you today. as some may know, he was my first probationary boss back in 1994, so jim sorry i can't be there and thank you as always for your partnership with us and much appreciate it. finally, i know that many commissioners had challenges with form 700, and some of the ethics training that they had to

conduct, so we have opened up a conversation with folks from ethics and some others, the mayor's office to try to fix that situation and make it smoother for all of our commissioners to be able to do that required work. and then just asking if we can please close the meeting today in memory of two firefighters that died chicago fire department two days in a row. they had two deaths and if we could just close the meeting in honor of them, and that is all i have for today. thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. at this point i know you need to go to the mayor's office. [microphone not on] let me take public

comment. any public comment (indiscernible) ? anyone virtually madam secretary? >> no, i do not see any virtual public comment requests. >> thank you. public comment is closed [unable to hear speaker. microphone not on] >> not really, just thank you for all your support chief and i'll let you be on your way. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you chief for your report. i just like to say that we don't have a problem with our ethics, but we had a problem with our ethics training, and it is a very bulky cumbersome system and frustrating for a lot of us. as far as i know, our ethics are all still good. [laughter] >> that thank you for that perspective.

>> thank you for the reinforcement commissioner fraser. if no other questions on this, we'll see you later chief. good luck in your meeting and your advocacy and work for the department. >> thank you very much. >> we'll move on to cd2 report. madam secretary, would you like to read that? >> report from operations deputy chief robert postal. report on overall field operations including greater alarm fire, bureau of fire prevention and investigation, training within it department and airport division. >> can you hold on for a second, chief? i think i jumped the gun because i was trying to accommodate the guests from city college and if you don't mind that, they think very much that cooperation and support. former captain connors, at this point i'll call the item up and return the item afterwards. the item of

chief postelreport. >> presentation on the fire science and fire academy program at city college of san francisco. retired captain jim connors and staff to provide an overview of the fire science and fire academy program at city college of san francisco. >> thank you very much. welcome and good morning former captain jim connors. also would like you to introduce your guest this morning as well and i thought it is so important for us as the commission and general public to have this opportunity and update on this great program, fire science and fire academy. >> thank you commissioner and thank you commissioners. thank you chief posteland command staff allowing us time to talk about the city college fire program. i like to introduce before we go through the presentation dr. (indiscernible) dean of john adam

campus and dean of school of health and john in charge of instructional service agreement and strong workforce programs. >> i want to thank you all for your partnership. it has been wonderful as we have gone through. i think that this is the fourth time i've come to present in front of you, and that shows the strength and the continued longevity of our program, and we hope to continue to grow it as we just put an addendum on our isa for additional certificate. as we continue to grow and move it forward, i hope to always be coming to give you good news. thank you. >> thank you, i want to echo the thanks. i work more behind the scenes on the program to

make sure the students get registered and the invoices get paid and records all kept so want to echo everyones thanks and grateful for the partnership. >> thank you very much. captain connors. dr., you folks can sit in the front row if you want to until the opportunity for commission to ask questions or comment. >> again, thank you for your time. there is a series of slides we will go through that reflect our program, and right now in our instructional service agreement there are three parts, one is what we call fire science 110, basic fire academy for the h2 firefighters. fire science 108

which is one year of field fire work experience when they go out to the field after 20 or 21 week training academy and like just mentioned our newest addendum to the instructional service agreement, which has to do with the company officer certificate program and i'll comment on that a little more later. our program offers different degrees and certificates. we have a associate in fire science, two year program. we have a certificate of fire protection which also those courses-we have a company officer certificate. a firefighter 1 certificate for our fire academy at city college and then a homeland security certificate. the required courses for the 2 year degree is fire science tive

50. a course on fire prevention. a course on fire equipment and systems in buildings for example. we have a course on wild land fire control, which is very important obviously in today's society. and a course on firefighter safety. these core courses, plus there is a course on fire behavioral those courses are set by the california fire technology director association, which is a advocacy group with state fire training and represent the community colleges in the state with fire programs so we have a curriculum that is available at any community college in the state and the course numbers might be different, but the content of the courses are the same throughout the state. and there is a couple

electives that are part of that, so a student could take either emt or what is called fire science 17, emergency services responder. obviously we urge them to take emt, so they are well prepared when they test or apply for different fire departments, hopefully san francisco. because the emt classes get impacted, we offer alternative to that accepted by state fire training. and for our fire academy we have prerequisites. again, either the emergency service responder or preferably emt. introduction to fire science so they have a general understanding what is going on in the field of fire fighting. the wild land class, rescue practice class and a public safety conditioning class. when we started the fire academy in 2008 we saw early on despite best efforts some studsant didn't get the message and they were not in

the best physical condition so we worked with the pe department at the time dan hayes the brother of former chief joanne hayes white and developed a specific program to address physical conditioning. we also developed a course fire science 62 rescue practice to improve the skills that are required with rescue tools, knots ropes and things and since we implemented those two courses our problems went away so that was a big improvement. students that come out of our fire academy also receive a certification from state fire training. they receive a hazardous material first responder operation certificate. they get firefighter safety and survival, confined space awareness and certain incident command system courses that are required by state fire training. and the last piece

we have in there is a course called, s190, introduction to wild land fire dehavior. one thing that we are most proud of at city college is our new fire training tower that was completed last year. it was built during covid, and this was a $3 million plus project that bond money was used for and some funds from strong workforce programs. this allows us to teach 90 percent of what is required to be a firefighter 1 certified student at the john adams campus which is at hayes and masonic. the other 10 percent of training occurs at san francisco fire department facilities, south san francisco fire department facility main training tower and cal fire in san mateo so this is a huge improvement and on the second semester of fully

utilizing it and still making sure everything works properly. the one thing we dont do there is live fire training. we are dead center in the middle of a residential neighborhood and made a decision early on that we would-because san francisco and south san francisco fire departments allow us to use their facilities we would take advantage of their offer to do live fire training at their facility and it was a plus with the neighbors because we had zero opposition with the neighbors and proactive making sure there was a lot of outreach and we'll continue that with programs at the end of the year around earthquake activities, so we'll keep our positive relationship with the neighbors. and we have a apparatus shed we park one of our fire engines in. our fire engines are deinated the one in the picture was donated by fausher city fire department and just received another engine in the last couple weeks donated by the south san

francisco fire department. it is a huge plus for our programs. and then we have to have this equipment to meet state fire training firefighter 1 and 2 standards. so, there is a two types of programs state fire training has. one an accreded regional training program, the community college piece and that is what we have. the emphasis is firefighter 1 training and now include firefighter 2 training to improve qualifications of students when they go out to apply for jobs. the other type of training is what is called, accredited local academy and those are government agencies such as san francisco fire department is is a recognized ala academy. the content the core curriculum for both programs is the same, the difference san francisco adds a lot more to the curriculum with things- (indiscernible)

wood ladders and other training activities that increase the length of the academy. these are the two type of programs approved by state fire training and certified and we both go through a certification process every 5 years. but, the main point is that we both have a core curriculum that is approved by state fire training. and there is comment about a new addendum to the instructional service agreement we have. there is a course certificate program from state fire training called the company officer certificate that we have at city college also. our content mirrors state fire training and there are 5 pieces to that. one is a human resource management general administration fire inspection and prevention, all risk and wild land,

and a student can take all 5 of these courses and get a certificate as a company officer and we are working with the division of training and chief (indiscernible) to put that into effect based upon our most recent conversations towards the end of this year and that will be used for various purposes that i'll let chief kyle talk to the commission about if he chooses today. we are very proud of the diversity of our students. this picture is from a couple years ago from one of our academy classes. this class is reflective of hires made into san francisco fire department and other agencies, including the seattle fire department. we are very proud of the fact we had a lot of students hired into san francisco, but as well as many other fire departments throughout the state and throughout the country. we have students that work in career fire

departments in austin texas, new york city, so that was really a big plus when one of the students was hired in the fdny. we have a work experience program. our work experience program is constructed so that once a student complete our fire academy, and a emt, they can apply to work in the student work experience program that places them in a fire station in the city for one 10 hour shift a week. they don't work 24 hour shifts, they are not allowed to pgo into burning buildings, allowed to respond to medical calls and participate in all training activities. this program is very successful and it's-the fire houses get a early read on how our students are and they see how qualified they are. we also support the fire department in many

activities and we also support fire department related organizations, such as cancer program and so this just a picture of some students that helped out at the last fundraiser for the cancer program. we are very proud of the diversity that our program has and how we work to assist in the diversity of the fire department and these are just some examples of former students that work at various stations throughout the city. one of the other things we are very proud of is our faculty represents many bay area and are state fire departments. we don't just have instructors that are in the san francisco fire department, so we have south san francisco fire department, berkeley, oakland, san jose, cal fire, alameda county, mountain view and redwood city and the personnel in our faculty range from firefighters to

firefighter paramedics, lieutenant captain and in the case of redwood city their chief ray (indiscernible) is one of our firefighters. it presents a broad spectrum of experience toour students. you have the contact information if you need to get a hold of any of us at any time. and that's our presentation and we would be happy to answer any questions. >> that -thank you very much for the presentation and update. at this point i'll ask for public comment first on the presentation and then have the commissioners ask questions or comments mpt madam secretary, any member of the public wish to comment on this item? >> no, i do not see any public comment. >> see, no member in the chamber as well, public comment

is closed. commissioners, at this point, comments or questions to jim connors or the team? >> yes. thank you for your report mr. connors. i was looking at some of the prerequisites. basically i are guess my main question, what is the usual candidate you would receive for these classes? someone with experience and like a volunteer and firefighter. not someone just out of high school that is curious? >> our student population is probably 60 percent serious about getting hired in the fire service. 20 percent they think they want to get hired in the fire service, and then all honesty the other 20 percent are trying to figure at age 18 or 19 what they want to do in life. but we have a good core of students that are

interested in the fire service. >> great. i like the part where it is parallel with the state training which gives a little flexibility to seek careers all over california, which is good. can you elaborate on that? >> before 2019 the fire service and community colleges were like oil and water. we just did not mix in our curriculums, so the state fire office and state training adopted a blew rf print called 2020 and a goal was to increase the professionism of education required to get into fire service and so in 2019, they developed a common core curriculum that apply to training programs at community colleges as well as accredited local academy through government agencies.

in the bay area not only is san francisco an ala, so is berkeley, oakland, free mont, san jose and our area. the step fire training took in 2019 was unprecedented to have the core curriculum. >> that's great. i think it is a great program and they are learning from the best, retirees like you and think it is a great thing. think it is a model that might catch on throughout california with the other community colleges and city colleges and think it is a great idea. thank you for the presentation. >> thank you. commissioner fraser. >> thank you so much for your presentation and congratulations on the successful placements that you are making right out of the program and the incredsable diversity in your classes. i love that you have added wild fire and i notice also

haz mat and that seems to be something firefighters all over the place are having to deal with more and more and more with all our forever chemicals every place. it is very concerning. just a question. the percentage of people who enter the academy and complete it? it is probably not hundred percent, but maybe it is. >> at city college our success rate is about 99 percent. all our tests as well as chief can speak to this, our tests, we are given what is required by state fire training, and before 2019, we developed our own test forms so in 2008 when we first started we had our own test forms. 2015 the state supplied the forms and now they supply the test you have to test to for the community colleges and for the government

departments they can add to that minimum required. but they supply the forms. there are stringent test security and both for the students and faculty and for what they will be tested on. one of the statistics we were able to develop with local fire service people is that since 2008, 21 percent of the hires into san francisco have been city college at san francisco fire academy graduates. some students have gotten lucky and just taken fire science courses and got hired because they scored well on entrance test, but our goal is make sure we have qualified fire academy graduates. we like to be higher then 21 percent, that is a good solid number.

>> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> i have one last com. comment. when i was talking about our faculty they work with state fire training and state fire training when they develop new curriculums are looking to have fire service personnel in their curriculum development. one of our faculty who is also retired assistant deputy chief from san francisco, notified yesterday he will be on a new state fire training development committee for arson, and so that is a big deal and we are proud of that. they will meet different times over the next year and that development will be approved by the state fire marshal office and state fire service. to have our folks and retired members of the department working at the state level is really big. >> thank you very much. i have a few comments and

questions. first of all, i'm a former graduate of city college. i had the privilege of being a class mate with jim connors and my education was so robust, entered city college of san francisco while other colleagues went through other higher educational formats. i am from the breed didn't know what to do or where togo so city college afforded me that time. i just say that because i remember spending a lot of time in the arts building gazing, observing (indiscernible) mural, and just looking at that and trying to find my place. i just tell you this is the way i am, but i appreciate city college. >> thank you.

>> i also captain connors if you can come back up and perhaps you can answer this as well. i just need a little history because i know it is really important for us to have this presentation update of city college fire program to the commissioners. we just recently signed an agreement in terms of our future working collaboration. how old is the fire science course at the college at this point? >> it has a very long history. jim, it is from the 19- >> it actually goes back to the 1960. i entered the fire department 1975 along with many other applicants at that time we took fire science courses at city college, and former fire department chief ed fips was a instructor at that time and but it would go back to late 1950. >> i say that because again, as a former student of

city, (indiscernible) you always observe what city college presents and part in those days back in the day were police classes, police officer classes and some form of fire courses. what i'm interested because oof the long history, 1960 is how much that program has changed in terms of the students that sign up for these classes. talking about the fire sciences. i'm interested in the demographics. in my mind when i was at college, i dont know what kind of folks were attracted to being a fire science courses-i remember a lot of males. i don't remember women. i don't remember too much minorities but can you speak in terms ramification ramification i look at the numbers of what the classes reflect. in the presentation you talk about the diversity of san francisco. i'm

interested how the (indiscernible) format and curriculum is comprehensive. there is degrees now that are involved with that. could you speak to that, please? >> one reason why we want degrees is because we want to help students go forward with their life journey, soon degrees will be important going up in rank, and we wanted to be forward thinking and jim has been amazing and doing all this. we have tremendously diverse faculty and because we have women teaching and people that have also been out in the field, ray iverson was one of our speakers during black history month. it just-we want to-in every way showcase that no matter who you are a career in fire science is for

you, and jim is forward thinking how best to meet our students where they are and shortened the classes so they are not 17 and a half week for mat, they are 16 week format. trying to meet students where they are. some are 8 weeks, we have online and in person offerings. we are trying to make sure that the modalities no matter who the students are we have a modality that fits. jim, would you like to add more? >> some things we do to address diversity in our students population is we work closely with the pe department, we work closely with women studies, we work closely now with lgbtq plus department to make sure that we have good representation of other ethnic groups and other

student populations and that worked out well. one side note is that we in our administration of justice curriculum we just developed a new policing certificate that is focused on lgbtq plus curriculums, and some administration of justice courses and fire students can take that as well. we actively recruit students from other departments at city college. we try and make sure that the numbers that we have are going to represent continued growth and improvement in the fire service as they leave city college. for example, if they are hired by san francisco fire department. i will be honest in that we struggle to have better numbers with women students but we work hard with with and why we work with the pe department and women studies program. >> okay. that helps a lot, because again there is

a comprehensive program with degrees and i would think that again city college if there is a student interested that might be the course line to find out indeed if this is a course you wish to pursue as a career. part of that too is the ems paramedics, which is a huge component of the fireman now, and i'm interested in that because that doesn't necessarily represent just one gender, as well as interest of folks of diversity as well. it is a career move to me, so the relationship of city college to our department training and such and also just as point of information, how many jurisdiction in the 9 bay area counties has a fire science course beyond city college? i see csm? >> csm does. there is a south bay regional consortium which represent different community colleges in the south bay that don't have resources to have their own fire programs right

now. santa rosa has one. napa had one, not sure if they still have one now. they are going through changes up there in the curriculum programs. los (indiscernible) and east bay have fire programs. chibo has a developing fire program so they are around but we can say with a lot of pride that our program in santa rosa, csm and south bay and chibo has been around probably since the 40's and were instrumental helping us start our program. very good neighbor policy. those are the key programs in the bay area. >> thank you for that, because again i'm familiar with chibo, csm run in our wheel house as well. you answered a lot of questions. some think all the courses are (indiscernible) but that isn't true. it is john adams as well. >> right. ourfire

academy program is john adams campus. all the other courses i talked about here are taught mainly at the ocean campus, but we are starting to move more courses to john adams campus also. before covid we had a presence at mission campus, but due to a number of reasonss we had to reprioritize which campuses we put our courses at and there is one other program we have that is providing outreach to young students and trying to address our diversity and that's a program we have aligned with san francisco unified school district, and it is two courses we teach at mission high school introduction to fire science and fire prevention,b and lieutenant anderson is one of the main play ers in the curriculum for that program and that's-the concept of reaching a tipping point, it took a while to get to a tipping point. we are over that now. it turned out to be a very successful program. >> okay. i appreciate

you bringing this up because in my mind in terms of longevity, exposer i to the department and growth historically as well, i know about mission campus. high school-i have seen the students. i know about the successes of the emt programs by firefighters. i know that there's some kind of connection, dean, if you will, if a student from the high school that is-the emt program represents community based as well. talking coverage as it move tuesday the community college and it next step will be the fire reserves and then our department. that's the kind of path that i look at in terms of how we get the interest. my biggest question is san francisco police department are 4 to 5,

600 members down. the fire service is the same and i asked what that meant and they said the public interest-the police department is police department, again respectful in terms of the work they do, i know how difficult it is for them at this point. i want to hear the numbers at city college and how that reflects is there a trend difference in there because to me public service is important priority in terms of what-i don't care what student you are, in terms of the service to our city and what we do in our communities. >> we do have robust program at galileo and mission for emt, ems, 100a, 100b class. the students complete that in their senior year and then they bridge over to us in

the summer, and take emt 100 and get their ems certification. at that point they will go out to an emergency response company, and begin to have a viable employment. they can also take their state wide certifications at that time. we prepare them for the state wide certifications. this is part of our growing diversity. we also have the partnership with the emt program that is down in the hunters point area, and we are always looking for ways to engage students and get them interested in these careers that are serving the public, because we are all getting older and we need these

people to be there to help us as we continue to age. our paramedic and emt program is in a different department from jim's department, but there are always looking for new ways to outreach and to try to connect in. they are currently working with the san francisco fire department to look at another way to increase our institutional service agreement with these classes to partner even further. >> alright. thank you very much dean, thank you very much captain connors. >> i have one comment. you talked about the police department and their difficulty in filling vacancies. fortunately in san francisco fire department we have full recruit classes and so

that works very well. i know it is difficult to get the numbers to fill the classes base said on conversations with member s of the department. as far as our enrollment is concerned, covid definitely took a hit on enrollment in most community colleges and specific to say fire programs. we are all struggling to get back to the numbers of student enrollment we had before. it was something that was unheard of where you would find fire departments not having vacancies filled with qualified applicants, but there is a trend now in the fire service where they are not able to get enough qualified candidates to fill their vacant positions. some people i talk to think that is a result of covid. people staying home, losing momentum, lazyness factored that entered into this and maybe a generational change. >> interesting. thank you very much. at this point,

thank you very much dean, captain connors. any other comments? commissioner feinstein, please. >> i'm not sure who best to direct this to, but i only know about the budget challenges city college is facing from what i read in the newspaper, so i'm not primed on all of that. eme i'm wondering if it is having any kind of negative impact or impact what so ever on your program? >> no, it is not. one thing that we have gotten is city college is really proud that we were audited this year and we have a clean adit report. there were no findings, and- >> excellent! >> yes. >> congratulations! >> thank you. our budget is balanced and

unfortunately that never gets in the paper. >> certainly true. >> so, currently we are not in financial problems. we are now moving more money into our fiscal plant, which previously due to how our budget was spent we were not able to upkeep our facilities to the levels we would want them to be upkept to and now they are becoming line items in the budget because our budget is now healthy. we are hoping it will stay in a healthy phase as we continue to grow the college back to pre-pandemic levels; but all community colleges throughout california have seen a greater then 20 percent drop in enrollment. >> so, with that,

unfortunately when you don't have the students, there are classes we can no longer offer because the students are not taking them, and we have to be good fiscal monitors of the public's money and use the money we are given by our taxpayers to try and benefit as many students as possible, so sometimes the choices are not ones that everybody would like, but when they dive into the weeds it is the ones they realize they need. is that a good way of putting p? >> yes, good way of putting it and i got to really complement you all on maintaining your fiscal health during these challenging times, and you need to be proud of that as well as all the academic

achievements you are helping your students attain, because i do know that enrollment is down and don't know enough about the city-or the community college system state wide to know, but the fact this program is so healthy and so well run and so comprehensive and willing to adjust and adapt and expand, it just really makes i think all of us very proud, so thank you. >> thank you, and we couldn't adjust, adapt and really try and think outside the box without the wonderful faculty that we have working with us. they look at the changing population, and jim and his faculty have adapted to the changing dynamics of

this population. >> well, you should all be congratulated, so thank you. thank you for the service. >> thank you very much. thank you very much dean. thank you very much captain connors. madam secretary, i think we'll continue our item at this point, which would be the presentation by deputy chief. >> report from operations deputy chief robert postel. report on overall field operations including greater alarm fires, bureau of fire prevention and investigation, training within the department and airport division. >> welcome chief. thank you very much for your patience. >> good morning. great job this morning. this is my report for march of 2023. i like to start out by thanking

vice president morgan and commissioner feinstein to go through a live fire training at treasure island march 27. we had a number of companies out there. we were able to demonstrate what our operations are and all the things that have to come together in a very short period of time for us to deal with a active fire. i think you each got to spend a little time in the burn room, see a flash over demonstration andition commissioner morgan decided he was going to climb the aerial so hopped on it and ran up the aerial. at which point commissioner feinstein decided i wasn't able to do that anymore, so she dared me to clime the aerial so i had to prove her wrong and i fallowed his steps up the aerial so thank you all for coming out and- >> (indiscernible) >> thank you very much for coming out there. it meant a lot to the rank and

file people in the field who see you come out there and take the time to understand what our challenges are. i hope it was as beneficial to you as it was for us. during the month of march, we had 20 working fires, 9 water rescues and one cliff ris cue. four greater alarm in the month of march and i provided detailed narrative written by each incident commanders for each incident and i vetted them to shorten them up for you guys. the first alarm was march 3. it was 1618 hours, 2143 pine street the fire was started by roofers working on the roof of the abuilding to the right. the fire building itself was a 4 story balloon frame constructed victorian building. the fire got in the walls and traveled quickly up the western exterior wall into the attic space. this building had a very large

attic, about 6 feet deep or so and on top of that the top floor had 12 foot high ceils for access for the crews was really difficult. this fire had a lot of headway and it was the aggressive work and coordination of those interior crews to be able to get those ceilings open and ladders to the attic space and contain that fire basically to the front half of the attic that prevented that thing from taking the entire top floor off the building. the same time we had crews on the adjacent roofs and they were able to peel the siding off and get hose lines from the exterior by peeling the siding off, so this had potential to become a very very big incident and it is because of the work of those crews that we are able to save that old victorian and it will be restored and put back

to its original state. (indiscernible) he was the incident commander. couple days later, on march 5 at 857 a.m., 626 40th avenue. this was a stove with a garage and two flats above it. the fire quickly flashed in the kitchen and are consumed majority of the second floor before we arrived. crews arriving on scene had heavy fire showing from both front windows on the second floor blown out to the street as well as fire showing from the third floor. the fire traveled vertically up the light well from the kitchen to the floor above was not occupied and didsant have a lot of furnishing so not a big fire load up there. the first battalion chief on the scene recognized not only the amount

of fire and fire building itself, but the potential for spread to exposure of request of second alarm right away deployed two hose lines to the second floor fire, the third went to the third floor, and got lines into the exposure building quickly, and there were no injuries on this one. they did have a live electrical wire drop from the building in front of the fire building that we had to be careful of, but they were able to work around that and again, just outstanding work by everybody. a lot of fire, a lot of challenge, and they made it seem just routine. battalion chief creeger was (indiscernible) bill (indiscernible) the incident commander. the next fire occurred march 17 at 252 in the morning. this was 959 powell street. this was a 4 story wood frame apartment building. the fire

started on the third floor of the 4 story apartment building. fire quickly spread to the 4th floor and attic space via the light well. engine 2, engine 41 first oen the scene. they lead lines made aggressive attack, truck 2 went straight to the roof recognizing there was going to have to be a lot of vertical ventilation done and they got to the roof right away, meanwhile truck 13 before going inside noticed there was a female civilian stranded on the third floor fire escape and so they quickly laddered the fire escape. went up, rescued that woman, brought her down to safety before going inside and assisting with fire. at the same time rescue 1 conducted interior search of it building for additional occupants t. is 3 a.m. everybody

apartment is occupied at that time of day, so they know there is good potential they will find people so while searching the 4th floor without a hose line, which you often do on the squad, two firefighters from rescue 1 located a elderly woman trapped on the 4th floor and overcome by smoke. firefighters brought the woman to safety and treated by medics on the scene and fine today. as firefighters and particularly people on the rescue squad, we look and say it is routine thing, that is what we do, just doing our job, but when you look at it objective even where i sit now having spent a lot of time on the rescue squad, this is nothing short of horoic. they search above the fire without a hose line and because of the professionalism and understanding woo ehave the squad searching above

and have to maintain the means of egress and protect the stairwell for them, it is the coordination and all that stuff that comes together that allows them to make these rescues and save those lives, so again, if it were not for the actions of these people, that womaned withant be here today. truly heroic and if you ask them, they will tell you they were just doing their job. fast moving well advanced fire upon arrival and didn't go beyond second alarm and it is a testament to the job everybody did there. assistant chief ken yee was the ic and seems to get a lot of these and leadership and coordination plays a huge role in the success of the incidents and the testament to the assistant chiefs in the field to contain these things so hats off to everybody there. the next fire occurred march 27. this was at about 11 p.m., 2310 hours. this was

470 bay shore. assistant chief (indiscernible) here today was the ic. this incident was a fire in a large commercial structure, and additionally initially according to the reports i have, the fire appeared to have started extoorier of the building in the rear not uncommon these days with the homeless people. we went to the fire in the rear and are attacked what was apparent there. but due to the thorough investigation and actions of everybody on the scene it was discovered this fire started on the interior of this large warehouse type structure and fortunately later determined the area the fire started was separated by concrete wall which prevented this fire from extending to the rest of the warehouse. had it extended you have a huge fire load and there was a (indiscernible) carpets, wood floors, lots of

things are going to burn quickly and burn hot. the reason that this fire became a second alarm was the potential that the situation presented. again, i talk about the importance of incident commander and understanding the situation they have at hand and managing these resources. you got a large warehouse and you have a heavy fire load of flammable contents, the flooring materials, and these buildings are built with tilt up concrete wall, light weight truss type constructions and the way these trusses are, they span the width of the buildings and designed to only support the roof structure, and if you compromise any of these trusses by fire, they fail quickly. it is incredible dangerous for our people to be on the roof. if there is fire involvement we cant be on it and can't be underneath it. collapses in the buildings happen quickly and catastrophically

so chief (indiscernible) recognized the potential that this incident presented and she recognized that if this did get into the roof structure, we were going to be there for hours and this was going to become a defensive operation. we were able to get extinguish the fire before it got to the roof structure, the potential was there and again the understanding everybody has on the scene of what that hazard is that made this another ordinary event that didn't development into something that was either a tragedy or more then needed to be. hats off there. that's the summary of the 4 great alarms we had this month. the bureau fire prevention. one main thing the bureau fire prevention is involved in besides building inspections, high rise inspections, the plan check and permitting and all that stuff, is we play active role

in working with the mta, dpw, muni on all the different changes happening in our city, so they have a variety of committees that deal with all of the street changes that are happening. there is transit advisory safety committee, the street design advisory team, there is the study that we are partnered with mta on studying the effects of different traffic calming measures that happened and the impact on our ability to respond to incidents. captain flores, that is his main job is work with emt and we are engaged in everything and at early level as we can be, to make sure that the safety of the people in the buildings and our ability to access them isn't

compromised during these street design changes, so it is a big role what goes on in fire prevention. another big part of what goes on in fire prevention is there is a big push in the city through the directive towards increasing housing and chief coughlen and his team have people dedicated to it and set the standard and bar for the city how to quickly and efficiently process permitting, work with other agencies to get these affordable housing low income housing, all the different developments, accessory dwelling units they are starting to put in the rear subdividing lots and put them in the rear, all of those things require fire code involve: fire prevention has a voice because not only are we concerned about the safety of the people in the units, but concerned about the firefighters when they respond to that. his team has done a outstanding job trying to move

those city priorities forward as well, so hats off to them. 4710, fire investigation unit, they respond, they investigate all greater alarm fires, cause and origin, any fire with a serious injury or death, suspicious auto fires, so during the month and the reports they do are very long and involved and they are designed to have to stand up to scrutiny in a court, so during the month of march, they investigated 12 structure fires, 6 vehicle fires and 10 other fire incidents that month. i mention the (indiscernible) study doing with mta, that has resumed. the next meeting we will have will be april 26 so next month i can give you a better update on where we are with that study. unfortunately i got a report we made no

progress on capp street. the concrete k rails are still in place, the balereds are ordered but no estimated date for the instillation of those, so that fire hazard remains and our ability to access that street from both ends of the block is still hampered. at the airport, chief darcie continues the excellent work he's doing down there. there has been a dramatic change in the moral and attitudes of the people that work at the airport and renewed engagement and people are eager to work and get volunteers and this is a product of chief darcie's leadership and the team he surrounded him self with so doing a great job. in the report you see the meetings they attend to on site, off site. everybody is involved in these meetings, the training officer, ems captains,

battalion chief. everything is for preparation of disaster which we hope never comes and they do a great job. responding to (indiscernible) had one significant incident, they had a vehicle fire in enclosed garage on a upper floor, so they handled that professionally without any issues and there was nuther more to report on that one. division training, again i like to thank chief (indiscernible) and staff putting on the live fire training for the commission both times. our 131 class is completed 11 weeks of their training. 7 of the tests week, i believe this is the last week of testing and so far we haven't lost anybody to deficiencies. we got a couple that are close, but we have not lost anyone yet and i mention that because there is a ongoing focus by chief kyle with the assistance of chief (indiscernible) to really examine the

training program out there and how we train people, how we award deficiencies and ways to improve the success of the people in there and i think that that focus and those changes made are paying div dnds in this class and i want to thank chief (indiscernible) and chief kyle for really taking that on and the people in this class should think thank them as well because probably a few wouldn't make it if wasn't for that so thanks to you guys. so far tested on all the ladders , the 50 foot ladder, house feed (indiscernible) completed the auto extraication. active shooter training. they are well well well on their way to finishing up all of their training and they are doing well. in service training continues to develop props.

upcoming academy in may on truck company operations. so, san francisco building construction unique. it is not like anywhere else in the state and really anywhere else in the country, and because of that, there are unique tools and unique tactics we use when we attack a fire in a building. the way we take the buildings apart, the way we understand how fire travels through the buildings, the truck is responsible, the engine is responsible putting the water on the fire and fire out, the truck is responsible for everything else. the ventilation, helping with the surge, opening the walls and ceilings, exposing the fire so they play a big role and the fewer fires you have, the less time to develop the skills so we have three oof the most senior battalion chiefs, have put this curriculum together and look forward seeing what they have to develop to deliver to our members and so

that what we learned during our careers can be passed on to the next generation and we can continue to do the job the way we do it. our fire reserves continue training every thursday night and they had a great turnout at the saint patrick's day parade. showed a lot of pride and proud to see them there, so that was nice to see. finally, i will take a liberty and mention a piece of fire department history. on march 27, 1923, my grandfather oscar postelentered the fire department and since that day my family served continuously a hundred years, my grandfather, my fatherer in 1964 and i in 1991 uninterrupted a hundred years and as far as i can tell we are the only father son grandson uninterrupted lineage

for hundred years in history of the fire department, so something i am incredibly proud of. we are all honored to serve this great city. on the side note, my great father started in 1907 on my mom's side so go back further but the hundred year continuous service unique. i think it stands alone in the history of the fire department so ypted i are wanted to put that in the record and this concludes my report for march. >> thank you very much chief postel. at this important any member of the public wish to give public comment? madam secretary, could you check virtually as well? >> no, i do not see any public comment requests. >> alright. public comment is closed. commissioners, questions, comments for cd2? vice president morgan. >> thank you for your

report chief postel, and i just want to say thank you guys for that live fire training and thank you chief-made it back in one piece, so grateful. [laughter] gives me a whole new perspective of what you guys go through on a daily basis and just that much more respect i have for you guys. just amazing what you guys put yourselves the predicaments you put yourselves in to save other people. the citizens of the city. you guys are great heroes . the burn room was interested and oxygen tank. i think i was developing a phobia there with the mask and everything. i was hyperventilating. i said that stuff isn't easy. it

takes practice, so you guys are under paid, no doubt. [laughter] just amazing. i had fun that day. great training. a good perspective and i just want to thank you chief for your family legacy and hundred years of service to this department and city and i commend you and thanks for your service. >> thank you. >> the city is lucky to center have you. >> thank you. >> i just want to say thank tuesday the to the battalion chiefs on the fires. you had a busy month in march. we are doing a good job on all these fires. i was going to save citizens along the way. just great work. the one fire that happen ed on bay shore, want

there a major fire down there home depot? >> lowes had a fire. somebody set a bunch of cars on fire in the parking garage there and appeared to be more then it was when we got there. >> just want to say thanks for the great job you guys did. i guess station 42 was involved too? >> yep. >> by my dad's house. thank you for your report. keep up the great work. thank you. that's all i got. >> thank you very much vice president morgan. commissioner feinstein. >> i will echo a little bit of what commissioner morgan just said and first of all, congratulate the postel family on a hundred years of service and maybe there will

be another postel. >> never know. >> you never know, that's right. with the academy program at city college that we just learned about, there is opportunity for daughters and sons, so you never know. but thank you and congratulations. it is really quite an achievement. now, that being said, having gone through the live burn, i personally think-a couple things. i have to just comment on. first of all, thank you for being there, thank you for arranging it. chief, your staff too. i didn't expect the number of responders to come

what it took to go through the process and demonstrations for us-- i have to say whatever the first part, which is the room all set up with furniture. i learned things that i had no idea--now i know what you all mean when you say, the smell of that fire. the smell of fire. and the ash and i can honesty say it was a day and a half before i got my voice back just from standing there. i can also say that being in the turn outs and those boots and once the scott pack went on i felt not just like a mummy but want sure i

was going to be able to make it up the stairs to where we needed to be. it was wonderful to have a first hand experience and look what the firefighters go through every day. it only took me 10 minutes to put on the clothes and 10 minutes to put off them and know your goal is a minute or less for your firefighters, so i found-everything was a experience. the live burn room is not something i need to repeat, but i'm glad that i can-i'm glad i did it. it is really hot and it uncomfortable and then it starts coming over your head and you say no, i can't come over my

head! it was something. as was the demonstration of the burn that we just observed, and watching the ladders being used on the roof and the way they were deployed was really very educational for us, and it showed the complexity of fire fighting, and it is so much more complex. every time i do anything i come out having learned something even from the greater alarm reports you come out learning something. now, about the aerial ladder, i just happen to think that i think i exercise the best judgment. i was offered a harness. i was offered a rope, i was offered somebody to go up with

me, and i looked at that thing and i said, do i really want to do this? because i was convinced it was going to collapse to the ground, and i wasn't going to be on it, so i apologize for not accepting that offer. i do commend and admire my fellow commissioner vice president morgan, because he hesitated, but he did it. i also say to our cd2, he ran up that thing, and it was only because i received a tip from one of his classmates i believe who said, all you have to do is dare him, and if you dire dare him, he's going to go and he ran up and ran down and there was just a little sweat on his

forehead when he came back, but it was really one of the better experiences i had and i know it was a tremendous amount of trouble and to put it all together and the truck companies and engine companies and everybody. all it does is increase my admiration for the work everybody does. i'm echoing commissioner morgan and i apologize for that, but i really do want to commend everybody for what they've done. it was an experience. may not be repeated, but it was a really worthwhile experience, so thank you. thank you for all that. turning to something a little different. with regard to division of fire prevention and investigation and again, all i know is what i read in the paper and there is

a plan to convert 11 thousand buildings from commercial to residential,b and that there is debate about whether or not these units need windows for egress purposes and access purposes. i understand some cities have or a city and don't know which one have created these units also interior units without any windows, which from what i read is not only dangerous for fire fighting, but really bad for mental health,b and i don't know if that's part of what's discussed or not discussed or to what extent the fire department gets input into the appropriateness of converting some of these buildings. >> you want to give a update where we are at with

that? >> good morning. >> good morning. fire marshal. that is still in the planning phase. we are working with dbi and city agencies to set parameters because taking a existing building doing a change of use wont fit into modeled new code, so none is decided on yet, it is discussed. we have not been approached on interior units. they have to meet light and ventilation requirements, which is part of the building department, it isn't part of the fire department. it is our willingness to accept existing elevators, new elevators have to have stretcher requirements so you get people out. new construction will not allow fire escapes. but the plan is to allow the existing fire escapes you use for example, 8 story commercial

building office building with a fire escape is still allow that as a secondary exit. rise and run on the stairs. older buildings. you walkedane building different then the 7/11 rise now that is now construction so still working through the process what that will be and it will be a joint bulletin or code from dbi and fire to give a roadmap for those willing to do the conversion. >> and buildings have been targets, is that correct? because they gave a number of units and assuming the number of units is based on the selection of buildings having been made? >> the city is still looking into the. the land use transportation committee had a hearing on it last week. they eye balled up to 30 million square feet. they classified a, b and c buildings and the

immediate one the number came out around 4700 units. immediate, meaning could meet certain parameters that would not be extreme because they are trying to balance cost and who is willing to actually do these developments and who has the funds to what can be done. there another program which is the affordable housing for all, that's the 8 year 80 thousand unit plan, that is whole another program that is still being worked outand wont come out until july, but this office to residential commercial or office to residential conversion is what we are working on as a committee with the city. >> understood. thank you. thank you for that added information. >> commissioner fraser. >> thank you. when i first got appointed to the fire

commission, i felt like it was an honor and responsibility and after your report i feel even more deeply, so thank you for your report. congratulations, i got a little whispy when you mentioned hundred years of family service, that is something to be incredibly proud of and qu glad you shared that with us today. the live fire demonstration, much has been said. i don't need to add anything else, accept i couldn't bet my boots off by my is lf. >> me neither. >> okay, good. i learned a lot today about the fire fighting challenges. i didn't know the rescue squad doesn't have a hose with them. that was helpful for me to learn. when they are searching for victims inside. so, that is a very heroic thing to do, plus coordination for their safety.

i think the big fire on bay shore was the old floor craft, was it not? >> yes. >> when it came across my phone i didn't know it was still in business or not but i thought that could burn for days if it was still in operation, but that isn't what happened. >> they put it out. >> exactly! the thing about-i have a question about cliff rescues because there were not a lot in february and march, but i already know this month there have been numerous cliff rescues and there was a term used in a article i read in the chronicle that called it a high angle cliff rescue. could you say a little about what that is? >> basically high angle and low angle rescue, low angle is something you could walk yourself aassisted without risk of falling a long way down. high angle is

something where maybe people scamper along a cliff side and can get there but if they fall there is a risk of a long fall and for the rescuers if somebody gets hurt down there we need the rescuers tied on ropes. two different ways of going about rescuing people. most rescues there is a component of both. you may go through low angle area to get to the cliff to get to the person, haul them up and walk them across less steep ground to get them back. especially at the lands end area out there, there is a lot of high angle rescue. >> i spend a fair amount of time in that part of our city, because it is a very beautiful and i see people constantly scampering past the signs and yes they gave me a badge recently and i want to whip it out and say get off the cliff. i know that's not what it is for, but it is very

tempting and know we will see as the weather gets better and wild flowers are tempting people out there we will see a lot more cliff rescues unfortunately. i'm amazing how and are wonder how many fire deerment pas thin country do cliff rescues, water rescues and 120year old wood frame building fire suppression and rescuess on inside. it is a very unique- >> nobody does what we do. >> that's what i thought. exactly what i thought. >> even jim connors was proud of the fdny, they dont do what we do. >> no, they don't have the geography we have. i do walk a lot in san francisco, and i just two days ago walked past the intersection of capp and 18th street where the cement the k rails which are now sadly junk heaps, graffiti laden,

trash piles. they look awful. they just look terrible. i don't know what we can do about it. i don't know if it is working. i like to hear-not from you, but from who ever is monitoring those, the effectiveness if at all. they are certainly making a mess of the street. >> the ballards have been ordered and scheduled to get installed just know the timeframe. they said 6 weeks about a month ago. >> so they are here to stay for now? okay. okay. it is just a shame, because they really have not-they just attracted a terrible mess and people that have businesses on that block or the corners are stuck with a lot of ugliness in front of their front doors. anyway, also thank you for teaching me and sure others about how warehouses are constructed with

the trusses. giant warehouse fires on the news around the country and the middle falls in and now it is much more-i understand that better thanks to your explanation. not only that, but the danger for people to run in and try to put out those fires, how difficult that is. anyway, it was a great report. i really appreciate it and you and all of you so thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much commissioner fraser. thank you very much chief for your comprehensive report. i got a couple comments. i got some questions for the fire marshal. let me get my comments out first. i want to congratulate you and your family. that is a

big deal. my culture it is about generation and traditions and to be part of this with yourself and your active participation. i loved being on the cutting edge, so to me being part of the fire department is part of that. i made some comment about public service or someone said something about generational gap. there is disinterest in public service and we have to do something about it. that is just my feelings. i want to congratulate you and your family and father, particularly grandfather and legacy and the hundred year continuing service. >> thank you. >> impressive. at this point as well i wanted to congratulate chief pang for his good government award. i think that's significant. of course in terms of what your recognition is or what you represent, in terms of paramedicine, medicine and the fire department, so i

wanted to say that as well. to the commissioners, commissioner vice president morgan, commissioner feinstein, commissioner fraser, commissioner collins isn't here but think this is the first commission everyone got one strip in terms of the experience of the burn room, the turnout helmets- >> (indiscernible) >> well, you got a stripe. i have been around with the commission-the first commission i know everyone has got that stripe, which brings the whole perspective with it as well. back in the day when i first came up with vice president morgan i did jump up on the ladder. i did orientation at station 3 and captain jimmy lee at the time retired now thought it would be amusing-not amusing but dared the commissioner to go up so the commissioner went up there on the top and all a sudden i could hear

them talking and they are bouncing the commissioner off the ladder swinging to the right and left. great experience. and you have lunch and dinner and get to serve with the department. i wanted to thank you commissioners for doing that, because now it is just like everything is solid within the privilege of being a fire commissioner. that is what i wanted to say. my question for the fire marshal if you could come back up fire marshal. i got somewhere between page 20 and 21, but there is a section in there that talks about crews and just out of curiosity because in my neighborhood every time i walk around there is a car that has no driver, and i just want to know about it because the other day it was like, do i go in the intersection or is the car

going to go, but there was nobody in there to communicate but i thought it was communicating but thinking i was there or not, so can you give us a update? i know it isn't full licensed operational in san francisco, but where is it at with that, please? >> so, bureau fire prevention working with the city av committee so we dont have a say in the crews. we are kept up to date and informed. theya apply with department of transportation or dmv and they agree to work with the city to inform of their stepsism i believe the latest approval permit license, not sure what we'll call it allows them to go through the whole city. they have gone through steps through the years. a lot during covid where they were doing districts, parts of town, middle of the night,

going driverless 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. people part of the program their latest one allows them to go throughout the whole city, actually if they choose they can actually go 24 hours a day. we are working with chief postel members in the field to get feedback when we have incidents and we have run into incidents and that is where they are lacking on information. most of the crews and all the autonomous vehicles state they have gone over a million mile jz if you can do that in san francisco you can do that anywhere and hence why pretty big test city. i believe phoenix or a arizona community has autonomous vehicles also. so, yes, they can drive around the city. they are approved. we as a city provide feedback to the puc asking for certain restrictions. we asked them to

slow down because we still don't know or the fire department doesn't know how many vehicles they can place on the street at one time. is it 2 or 3 around there, is it 10 or 20 and what are the steps? a lot of that is confidential or information to keep close that they don't share with us, but we keep documenting. as i receive things from chief postel (indiscernible) the mediator or person between the two agencies, . if you see them, they are licensed and believe picking up people only part of them program but we still find issues with double parking, problems with fire scenes not knowing what to do when they see caution tape, fire hose, lights and that will

be steps for them. we are not happy with those steps but that is where they are at. >> are thank you for the update because i'm talking again as a citizen that is walking across the street and there is a crew there and this is anywhere from 8 p.m. to something like 2 p.m. in the afternoon and ain't nobody in there. i dont know if it is demonstration still or whatever, operational, whatever, but like i said for me personally, i didn't want to jump into the cross walk because i wasn't sure this machine was going to stop. but it did and then i kind of messed around and went for it and see if it jerked or whatever, but i'm just saying--safety. of course chief postel operational when it comes to that so i wanted to a update. thank you for that. >> may i make a comment on that? >> sure, commissioner fraser. >> glad you brought that up, because i tried to give feedback to the puc,

which is what i was told who is the oversight and they directed me to dmv, so i wrote them a note, but there are three companies and they have a big warehouse over by the spca off 16th street between harrison and florida, and i see them every morning. there are woox, there is wamo and crews and they come out-way more then 10 vehicles and they just fan out all over the place, and i was crossing my street, which is a residential street. i don't know go go to the corning so crossing the street in the middle of the block and it happened twice, it came around the corner and didn't see me, i guess because i wasn't in a cross walk or don't know why and i had to jump out of the way of getting hit, twice. so, i'm not sure where else we can

give feedback besides the puc or dmv but know they are causing problems for the fire department and certainly for private citizens. >> thank you very much. noted. i think for us as well, i'm not done yet. thank you. two more items. one generic was commissioner feinstein asked about it in terms of the permit process and when you came up and talked about the numbers that are i say are approved plan of developing housing on a-there is number thrown out, 4 thousand or 5 thousand units within a period of time, but a overall projection. these are big numbers. to me impact with the department, my question would be, can our staff handle this increase of work load?

>> currently if it all came in right now, it would be very difficult to handle that and that's why work wg our budget is to insure that we have the staffing to be prepared for this influx as both adu's, the additional housing for all, that is the programs you can build ibyour backyard and office so all the programs are hitting at the same time, and the problem is we don't know which builders or which developers are going to sign on to these programs, but we are trying to be prepared for it and part of the conversation when it comes to the rules. for example, the housing for all program, where they building in the back yards we are working with planning and mayor office of housing on access so make sure if you build something in the back the suppression members can get to the back and that is

ongoing conversations. are we ready today? no, but we will and start ramping up accordingly once we know these programs are moving forward. i believe on the office conversion there is a one application and pleev believe the warfield building on market street and everything else is projections for what can be converted based on some preliminary designs or ideas behind it. that number hasn't been finalized yet. >> it is a lot to take in. if you understand if you follow the housing elements, california mandates the city and county of san francisco, there is a magic number, the number is so big, i cant say it. i'm talking about realistic. when i ask you about these numbers, i'm asking like when is this coming online? because i know it will have a big impact on us because we are part of the

cooperating partners that want to be able to accomplish this but want to be realistic to the work load and when this happens and i see a number like 4700 units which rounds out to 5 and in the housing element it is a period of time but i wanted to be able to hear my question and concern. >> i say latter partf the year is when things would all be finalized and beepeen for development. july, august, september is when we are really expected to start hopefully applications and plans will be submitted. >> various range from the developers to the contractors as well in terms of bidding for these various- >> yes. that's part of the problem. it is unknowns now that they are trying to work out or what is going to spur these developers to want to do these conversions or

developments. >> i don't want to be a deterrent for what everybody wants to accomplish, i just want to make sure we need the fire department are able to handle it and if there is a need there has to be cost attributed to that we need to be able to accomplish these kinds of permit process. that is just my take on it, so i just wanted to bring that on the scope. the other thing chief postel no development at capp street at all. to move to the portable barriers from the concrete there now. this period of time it is troublesum. >> the original ballards we approved and agreed upon were not available in a reasonable amount of time so they found another vendor that makes something similar, contacted them, we agreed to allow those.

they ordered them and 6 to 8 weeks of delivery and instillation after that. as far as i know, they told us they have been ordered and at the top of the queue to get installed when they get here, but we haven't had a update on- >> okay, so now the concrete barriers are still there? >> they are still there. >> this is troublesome. commissioners are concerned as well. i ink the this is universal. i go from commission meeting to commission meeting, that is 2 week s and a month so thinking the residents-i know what it is supposed to accomplish as commissioner fraser alluded to. the effect of what you want accomplished. we all know what is going on, my question is, how about the residents if there is a fire or emergency if our people can get in, so i understand concrete is concrete and tough to move it, but thank you for your update on that. i just wanted to comment

for myself and sure for the commissioners how concerning that is. last question fire marshal, could you give a little of update because i know that we are at the point where the shared space parklets there is a due date where there will be permanently instilled with cost to the person that wants it down to limitation of 2. is that timeline i understand in april when that is supposed to go from temporary permanent? >> there has been a up couple extensions from the program. the latest one was to you have to have application in by april 1 or supposed to take down your units. the board roontly passed extension up to 180 days if you apply within 60 days of that date you have 180 days at that point which comes to i believe september 1. you have to either remove your shared space or turn in an

application. per the mta, they stated they received over 700 applications. as of a couple weeks ago they were waiting to up to 70 more could apply they are waiting on, and what that is doing is giving those people until september 1 to install a new permanent one that meets the current guidelines or take it down. the expectations are realistic expectations of the fires expectations is at most 500-probably losing another 2 or 300 of these temporary instillation. you are correct, it is 2 spaces, there may be exceptions where there are 3 spaces, but at that point they have to come into full compliance. mta has the applications, they are vetting them first with-dpw is reviewing and mta figures out the parking places,

dpw works with design and give it to staffing who makes sure the design meets our requirements or access and once we approve it they have to build it and i have to send people out to inspect to make sure it is built per plans and nothing changes. i stated previously that ordinance we are supposed to go and verify these are maintained. we talk to staffing, that is lot of extra steps along the way, but hopefully by september 1 is when you should see the these permanent ones that are compliant and the temporary ones are supposed to be taken down. >> i appreciate that update, september 1. thank you very much. that is the extent of my questions. thank you very much chief postel. i know we have report from cd4. thank you for your patience madam secretary. >> report from ems and

community paramedicine deputy chief sandra tong. report on the ems and community paramedicine divisions. >> chief tong, thank you for your patience. >> good morning. chief postel, congratulations on your family hundred year of service. great legacy. assistant deputy chief sandy tong. this is my report for march 2023. for the ems report, assistant deputy chief call volume stayed the same over the last couple months, average 356 calls a day. it is pretty good number. it is keeping our crews busy, but

they are not overly taxed which is good and that is in part because there are more units in the system. our market share this last month was about 75 percent and that is pretty consistent what it has been the last couple months. it continues to stabilize. it has gone down since the introduction of the bls ambulance pilot project next november but hoping to ramp it up more. we are looking at our own bls tier and seeing if that is something we can do. we continued inservice paramedic training that completed march 31. this was 4 hour class mandatesed for all paramedics to get updated on policy and protocols. a device they learned how to use is the (indiscernible) you see one of the members getting them ready for the ambulances. this going to help facilitate the safe transport of infants and children and get up to

hundred pounds. we have another device that will address babies so now we will be able to put them securely in our ambulances on a gurney and secure them for safe transport. two things i want to highlight this month are the contribution of some of our members in the community. this is something that when we have been looking at hiring new employees, not only are we looking for folks that are going to be great employees, be clinically competent but want them to have a sense of commune service and some members have demonstrated this. one of them i think chief o'connor mentioned the last meeting is carlos martinez. we hired him last april and he is president of the (indiscernible) kids foundation. this is a

organization that originally found ed by his grandparents and they focus on 4 areas nutrition, education health and sports so they provide food baskets, scholarships and sports and music equipment to el salvador. in the last month in february, he lead a medical mission of 70 volunteers. five were our own fire department ems members, paramedic (indiscernible) and many of those were recently hired. they treated all most 3 thousand patients, gave away a thousand pairs of grasses, extraicated 32 teeth and wrote all most 12 thousand prescriptions and one day saw over 850 patients so incredible effort and we are really proud of having carlos on our team. in 2020 he won the jefferson award for his work with the foundation. and then

another group of our new hires, paramedic nicolas nob [calling out names] san francisco life line program similar to the vile of life where key get access to a patient health information and this is in the resident home and so this is a kit they created that they are working on non profit status 5 o1c3 but it is two sided health card that provide health information for first responders that include demographic information, medical ist hadry, the language they speak, emergency contact information and hospital of choice. and then on the other side of this, also includes a little translation card that we can use to help try and identify what their chief complaint is while trying to wait for translator. these cards are going to be placed in resident homes and these teams and

additional members of our department are going out to community events to help residents learn how to utilize this kit so they help them fill out the information, they tell where to put it in their homes and then when we respond we can then know to look for them. this is something that is a growing business and we are looking forward work wg them. the department is aware of this so trying to get the word out for the members to make sure to look for this. in community paramedicine from simon pang, may 4 we completed the successful reconfiguration of the street wellness and street crisis teams to now our street crisis response teams. there is a lot of backgroupd and preparation we had to do in order to coordinate this collaboration with multiple agencies and now we are one team of community

paramedic, emt and peer support worker and so so far in the that first month looks like no negative impacts to the 911 responses, operations or ability to provide service connections and follow-up. next month we'll have more of the metrics for you but so far everything is increased in terms of the number of responses, 5150 and calls for service that result in engagements. we also had the second cp lecture series. it was a presentation and question and answer by emily cohen, the department of homelessness and supportive housing deputy director of communications and legislative affairs. see was able to provide additional overview what is happening on the state of homelessness in the city, what they are try toog do to address and how we can help with that effort. since 20 percent of all our transports are for those who are unhoused, it was a really good

opportunity for us to learn more about what they do. chief april slone also helped initiate the first monthly meeting of team paid by department of emergency management to focus on the users of the multiple street teams, all providing services and help us create a framework so we share data and health information so this is something that we have always had a challenge with having everyone be able to understand and be able to par ticipate and access and discuss what is happening with a common client so this is a really big first step in able to better coordinate together and able to serve the trajectory of somebody's care. and then just little summary, ems6 continues to engage their top 20

utilizes 911 and consistently decreasing that use by 60 percent. last month we increased the number of 5150 placed from 28 to 39 this last month and continued to start bupo mor 15 for those experiences overdose,opeioid with draw and it is something we think will increase the number of folks that be able to provide because all the paramedics have been trained and will get the drug to the ambulances so when we have a opportunity to take somebody out of a overdose of opioid we can then offer that and get that started. and that is my report. i want to say congratulations again to chief simon pang. we are look forward honoring him tonight at the good governance award. thank you. >> thank you very much chief tong. at this point we'll ask for public comment off

chief tong's report. madam secretary, there is no public comment virtually or in present? >> no, i do not see request for public comment. >> public comment is closed on this report. comments or questions from the commissioners to chief tong? >> i'll be fast. thank you for your report. i was really impressed by the emt martinez and the volunteer work they did. the kids, that is a good humanitarian thing to do to bring those people help and doctors and some have never seen doctors before in their life and it is a feel good story. >> yes. >> a lot of pleasure out of that. >> thank you. >> i commend you guys

work in that and keep up the great work in that, and i also want to congratulate chief pang for his award he'll receive and that's about all i got. other then that, thank you for your report chief tong and keep up the great work. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner fraser. >> thank you chief tong so much, great to hear you and congratulations chief pang. terrific and well deserved. i just couple questions on your figures here. you said 20 percent of the transports are unhoused or homeless people. is that 20 percent of what number? the calls per day or? >> yes. in general there is a report here on page 10 and this talks about the incidents and

number of people who identify-we get this information from the patient records report and so any patient contact we identify whether or not if we can whether or not a person is experiencing homelessness or not so that is the data from that. >> i think we dont have that. >> it is not in- >> no, want in there. >> sorry. >> so, that's is interesting. i was trying to get a context around the number. i think the card is wonderful idea as someone who was a visiting nurse. that can save time but life. >> yes. >> really good project. and is there in the written report since i dont have it in front of me, the number of 5150 did you mention that? >> yes , that is in the cp report. i am not sure what

report you have, but page 13 of my report-sorry, not 15. page 15. the last page. >> that is in the month? >> yes. in the ems and cp reports. this one. >> could you repeat the number again? >> we did 39 i believe this month. >> 39. >> compared to 28 last month. >> good. also, i just want to piggy back on to commissioner morgan, on the volunteer work. wonderful thing. we were talking about public service and how important that is and engendering that in other people and this is the thing, it isn't only at work, it is in your off time. it is addicting and a wonderful thing. >> we are happy to have these

members with us. >> thank you so much. >> commissioner feinstein. >> i'm going to echo everything that has been said by my fellow commissioners and seems like the combination of sort into nob (indiscernible) program, it makes sense and it will better utilize the right resources to respond to the right kinds of calls, so i just wanted to say i was really impressed how quickly that all came together because we just learned about it- >> few months aago. >> yeah, and it seems to be up and running. i want to take the opportunity to thank you for your report and to congratulate chief pang on his award. well deserved, well earned. he has been

in the trenches battling through these bureaucracies and still has a smile on his face, so hes polk very deserving of the award and congratulations. >> thank you commissioner. thank you very much chief tong. i also want to echo from the commissioners the appreciation of the volunteer efforts in the community. particularly the life line and endorsement of the department in terms of getting this information to the firefighters and members from the seniors in the community. i appreciate also that you have your community paramedic speakers and interesting to me to hear about depapartment of homeless service, because again our relationship that we service our clients in terms of what their needs are falls into that parameter of housing, so i appreciate that. was that well attended chief?

>> we had definitely-not sure the numbers, but a number of our community paramedics and emt also attendeded. >> okay. i also wanted to appreciate that you in your-just so you know that what you show in your presentation and what our packet is off a little bit. sometimes so the information is why they ask as well. may not be part of it as well. i appreciate the numbers that you put with the paramedicine in terms of service numbers, the 264 numbers and such to make sure that-i see that more so in the reconfiguration of not being off service, that is the terminology of what we have been using in terms of our service providing, so i wanted to be able to have a chance to see that. i want to

make sure we work at a good operational framework as we did that whole transformation so that was my comment. >> great. thank you. >> okay, chief tong. i think that's all we have. >> thank you. madam secretary. >> item 6, adjournment. >> before we do adjournment i want to appreciate our commission secretary cathy for stepping in today. greatly appreciate it. i want to adjourn this meeting on behalf of fire commission to the chicago fire department to their two members who passed. thank you very much. this meeting is adjourned. [meeting adjourned] i

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>> you are watching san francisco rising with chris manners. today's special guest, carolyn mante. >> hi, i'm chris manners and you are watching san francisco the stow about restaffing rebuilding and reimaging the city. the guest is

carolyn manteto talk about the organization is helping to preserve the city cultural heritage and architecture. welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me e. >> good to have you here. >> can we talk bat the history of your organization and the mission. >> sure, thank you. san francisco heritage started 51 years ago and the main mission is to preserve and enhance the architectural and cultural identity of san francisco. when it started out the focus was really on the buildings, historic landmark listings and really concentrated on downtown area with all the development happening. our organization was raising a reg red flag with historic landmarks in danger and victorian mansions so a hallmark of our organization is moving these victorian mansions in the way of development to inwestern addition neighborhood and other areas to get out of the way of development and

preserve them. our organization was around before there was the historic preservation commission of the city so we were at the forefront drawings attention to historic preservation, landmarking and over the last 51 years we have seen how there are more then just buildsings in safeguarding the city cultural resources, there is also small businesses and the different neighborhood icons that make a neighborhood special, so our outreach has really-it is really come full circle in a way because it moved downtown into the neighborhoods and now with the covid epidemic it is really going back to downtown again looking at how we can play a role in the economic recovery and revitalization of downtown san francisco. >> that's great. so, now i understand your organization is also responsible for maintaining a couple properties. could you tell us a little about those? >> yes, our non profit

was gifted in 1973, the historic (inaudible) house. it is now a historic house museum but this was a family since 1886 built this victorian mansion in the same family year after year and one of the last resident of the family when she passed way gifted the mansion to san francisco heritage so since then we have been running this historic house and the home of our office. in 2018, one of the long time members nor aa lasten gifting a building on the e h-as hate polk became a commercial corridor after the earthquake, the owner

at the time, he raised the house and put 6 store front underneath in order to take advantage of the commerce so we are in charge of the house on the corner and it has been a wonderful way to get new numbers, new audiences interested in the work of our organization. during the pandemic, we have been using it as a artson residents and partnering with different bay area artists as well as cultural institutions, cultural districts and then one of the storefronts we converted into a pop up galleries so gives a opportunity to raise awareness of the importance of the art and cultural resources in san francisco. >> that's fantastic. so, now, let's talk about legacy business. what does the designation mean? how does somebody get add today the legacy business registry and what benefits does being named a legacy business? >> i love this

program. it was started by san francisco heritage and adopt ed by the city and run by the office of small business but the program looks what are the businesses really contributing to san francisco and the neighborhood. when we started the first focus was bars and restaurants but over the years it exb panded to include other businesses so these are places that contribute to the character of a neighborhood, so sam's grill downtown, the amazingarian press in the presidio. book stores like city lights oergreen apple recently named. this year we had a lot of attention on the legacy business program. we put out a contest to the public of what you think should be the next legacy business and one of the businesses that was recommended was the club deluxe, jazz club on the corner, and 2 or 3

days after we launched the contest, the owners announced they would have to close. the rent was driven up, they couldn't afford it, coming out of the pandemic so we worked at speed to get that application submitted with them and that status convinced their landlord to negotiate with them a lower rent and this way they have been able to stay, there was a lot of social media support around this, so when you become a legacy business, not only do you get marketing and business support from the office of small business, but you also eligible for grants and we work closely with the legacy businesses as we do our work for san francisco heritage. >> that's great. so, apart from architecture and buildings, you also work with cultural districts, and the castro theater strikes me as a place that is both. a beautiful building and cultural hub and center. what has been

happening with the recent acquisition by new owners; >> it is leased to another planet entertainment and been in contact with planet entertainment by the castro theater is historic land mark building. it is recognized as a very important architectural monument. one thing-one of the main activist organizations of the preservation of the theater we work together with supervisor mandelman on a interior landmark historic landmark designation for interior, but what happened over the is summer and people learned is there is a lot of concern not just by

san franciscans but people all over the world, movie directors, stars who are very concerned about the risk to the lgbtq and film programming at the castro theater. another planet hosted community stakeholder in august, and it was so moving to see the number of people who took the microphone-everyone had two minutes to say their testimony of what castro theater meant to them and those testimonys showed this building is contributing not just as a architectural monument but plays a role in the lgbtq community that is irrelaceuble able. >> it is beautiful theater. >> it is. my involvement in the theater raised awareness to not only the castro theater to be emblematic of the lgbtq

culture and history but also there are many other sites in the city that also contribute to the identity. that is why so many people come to san francisco as a place of freedom and diversity so in my previous work i worked at the world heritage center, so when i joined san francisco heritage i was thinking why isn't san francisco a world heritage city? for the architecture alone it could be inscribed. golden gate bridge to name a few but the city is so unique in the architecture, the mansioned and historic landmarks so hoping to start a conversation on that with city stakeholders this year. >> that is great. let's talk about your relationship with other agencies. you mentioned economic and office of work force development and planning commission. how do you unt integrate to them?

>> these relationships are essential. we are working with office of small business for the legacy business program and the planning department is really one of our most crucial relationships. we meet quarterly with them and we really see how we can support not only historic land mark listings and historical cultural context statements, strategy for culture districts and city survey among many other activities that really are of concern to both of us. for the office of workforce development, i attended a etmooing recently that the chamber of commerce organized with them on the downtown revitalization and a key goal in that meeting and in the downtown revitalization is to make sure that the city historic culture resources play a key #r0e8 in the economic recovery and revitalization especially after the pandemic.

the office of workforce development has the city build program which is admirable program where youth are trained in construction techniques for rebuilding and especially with the new housing legislation, and we really want to see how can that workforce be expanded to include training in historic preservation. we have so many victorian homes, historic buildings and other places that really need a skilled labor force to make sure that they are preserved and that they help keep the special identify of the city. we really value these relationships, we meet quarterly with the various organizations and we are really grateful for grants of the arts we receive and other supports so definitely that is a key relationship for san francisco heritage. >> the city build is great. i like that a lot. thank you so much for the time you have given today. appreciate you coming on the show. >> thank you so much

raising awareness about san francisco heritage. we hope the people watching will join us in the mission to help keep san francisco special. thank you. >> that's it for this episode. we'll be back shortly. i'm chris manners, thanks

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francisco, california 94102. items acted upon are expected to appear on the board agenda of april 25 unless otherwise stated >> thank you, mr. clerk. we have 17 item its is a long agenda out of which 9 items have the budget and legislative analyst reports for those we have the department presentation first followed by budget and legislative analyst report. mr. clerk call item 1. >> a resolution authorizing the ports of san francisco to accept and extend grant funds 70,000 from the california coastal conservancy for the islais creek program for february first of 23. through february 29 of 24. and members who are joining remotely call 415-655-0001, access code: 2484 035 3728 ##.

once connected press star 3. a prompt will indicate you raised your hand when you have been unmuted you can begin your comments. >> thank you, today we are presentation by noel. port from san francisco port and then the floor is yours, thank you. i'm noah kino i'm the project manager for the port of san francisco. i'm here requesting to except and extend 77 thousand dollars grant from the california coastal conservancy. in 2013 the port a washed 616 thousand dollars from the conservancy to remove a pier 84 wharf and new wharf and restore the crane of the port removed the wharf and other instructs however during the upon design process for the new wharf

revealed the project was not feasible due to cost and insufficient funding. in twendz 15 staff worked with the conservancy the lands mark association and others to develop an alternative project to result in the islais creek program utilize the unspent grant funds. a committee of copa crane landmark members, merer time laurelers and representatives formed in 2020 for design and content. program was presented to the conservance and he pleased with designs. they offer the port 70 thousand dollars in state funds to ensure the programs. the prospect address merry time and labor history. natural history. native american and neighborhood history and culture. on the northern shore the panels are proposed on an open space by

the puc. on the south exhibits will be located in the bayview park and the islais open space. the exhibits include information and take the form of cultural elements with the exhibits minimize maintenance and cost the graphic panelers side so they are associated with events. we'll utilize the design elements provygotskied continuity [inaudible]. >> supervisors the resolution based on funding approval start date no funds have been accepted or spent port respects your authorization for the 77 thousand dollars for the islais creek interpretive program. >> thank you for not spending the money until we approved this. and seeing no questions from

vice chair nor myself. and let's go to public comment. thank you. >> thank you. members of the public who wish to speak are joining person lineup now. for those listening remote call phone, access code: 2484 035 3728 ##. for those in the queue wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted then begin your comments. no in person speakers here. and we are no speakers in the queue. >> thank you, no public comment it is now closed. vice chair mandelman. i want to thank port staff and added as a cosponsor. and with that i would like to make the motion to move this with positive recommendation. mr. clerk call the roll. >> on that motion to forward

to the full board with positive recommendation. vice chair mandelman. >> aye >> member safai. >> absent. >> chair chan. >> aye. >> member safai is absent. jot motion passes. >> thank you. >> thank you. call item 2. >> ordinance appropriating 4.2 million in ambulance service ref now in the fire department. 59.4 from saul sxrees fringe benefit and appropriating 62.5 million dollars to over time in emergency management. department of health, works fire department, utility commission and sheriff's department and appropriating 1.1 million to materials and supplies in the fight to support the increases in over time acquired per code in fiscal 22-23 and this ordinance requires 2 third vote of all members pursuant to the

charter. members joining us and wish to comment call 415-655-0001. access code: 2484 035 3728 ##. once connected press star 3 to enter the speaker line. when the system indicates you have been unmute third degree is your significant until to comment. >> thank you, mr. clerk. i think this will be great that you director are the mayor's budget could walks throughout funding source and when we are allocating the funding for i know you have amendments happy to move those with vice chair mandelman's spchlt hopefully. let's go through the presentation. thank you. >> good morning member chan and mandelman. administrative code requires certain departments to seek approval from the board of

supervisor fist they are over time spending exceeds the budget appropriation. we went through this with the police department an among ago. ordinance proposes shifting funds learning low from permanent saul rows to over time for sick departments and a 7th department that will be added this with an amendment i will talk about in a mobile home. fire department is also proposing to property revenues from ambulance billing and fees to cover the over time as well as a shortage in budget for material and supplies. all the departments moving salaries from one place in the budget to over time, which is required and for the fire department they are using additional revenue this is year to cover a shortage in over time and materials and supplies. some of the details will vary across departments and representatives from all the departments are here today in the chamber or on teams to

answer questions specific to their departments what is common cross the department system they had to rely on over time. due to staffing shortages to fill, mandated staffing levels. response times for service or in the case of dpw and rec and park independent to the weather eventses that happened the last couple of months. there is an amendment that we circulated late breaking this morning with the clerk and the budget chair and the bla modify the proposed over time aim for 3 departments and that as a slight increase in the amount of funds they are shifting from permanent saul rows to over time for d ph increases the transfer by 1.5 billion dollars for puc increases by 100 thousand dollars and dpw by 232, 409 that adds rec and park to the over

time ordinance. shifting 1 million 50 thousand dollars from permanent saul rows to over time. for rec and park with the h. controller's office this week, we looked at the numbers of over time spending and found it locked like they were going to over spend their over time budget. this was not participated when we did this analysis in january or february. for rec and park over time is high during sum and declines during winter when we put this together it did in the look like they were at risk of spending over time. past couple months because of the extreme weather they put more staff out there to do emergency clean up, repair, addressed downed trees across our parks. they are going to be added to the over time ordinance through the amendment. today i understand we need to continue this item since the

amendment is substantive we are representatives here i'm hoping we can hear from the bla and those departments. i am available for questions. thank you. item 2 appropriates 4.2 million dollars ambulance revenue approximate deappropriates 14.5 from permanent saul reese across 6 departments and moves it to over time in those departments. keep detailed the changes on page 3 of the report. there are 6 departments the budget drevenlth fire department, public health and sheriff are moving over time funds to over time to cover minimum staffing requirements for their work load and public

works and utilities moving to over time to cover work related to winter storms. one of the ways we a sthesz is by looking at the new over time budget relative to left year's over time spending across each department. you see that comparison on page 4 of the report. in general, it shoes that the new budget is in line with last year's budget with an exception of public health spending 24% more in over time in this budget than last year. detailed the story of each department in our report this . is from our understanding doo to vacant nursing positions and other hospital based positions. we do recommend approval of the proposed ordinance including the changes we reviewed for puc and dpw have not seen the d ph or

rec and park numbers we look this week and report to you next week >> thank you >> thank you i think the question i have bla or direct, you know i think the question i have is that i unlike the police supplemental this is to allocate staff savings so to speak. we have not hire to the scale that it needs to be. and to compensate the over time spepdzing for the work that needs to be done. we have those staffing hours or staff cost savings we can now move over to pay for the over time what i guess this is perhaps a question for director dean, how do you foresee the upcoming 2 fiscal years the now we face that budget deficit and

bridge the gap with condition to hire because we not that city over all is short staffed. and that these staff over time tells us that and confirm we need more staffing and hire. but how do we make surety pace of hiring and versus the pace of over time spending. here now including rec and park the department of public works and puc because we know they did not anticipate the storm season we have. that is understandsable. what is the strategy what we can mitt gave potential wild fire or any natural disaster we have to deal with? >> thank you. we are facing a large deficit

this year and have vacancies. i think what i have been saying and when our office is looking at now is there is not this does not mean we stop hiring. the departments buffer are an example of why taking just a monolithic approach will not work. in some diameters if they don't have staff and have critical need and director services and front line work we need to respond to they will respond with over time instead of staff. we are not asking the departments to all slow down hiring we know that it is better to have permanent staff for operations. the morale of employees. and to be able to responsibly operate their departments.

therefore look at holding positions vaccance for budget savings might be an approach for the budget temperature is in the there is not a single way to manage vacancies it varied by departments and the departments before you are an example of that i think the chromer's office has been doing and canning about things like a rotation program for administrative staff like accounting and other types of administrative staffing. kinds of both ease the needs for routine staffing of specific needs. the mayor's office and city

departments think about adaptive staffing. rotation. so for the time being until we are fully staffed to ease over time spending. we love to have director doony consider and may be along with the bla to figure out the pot when it come to staffing in the budget year had rotation of staffing what programming we can consider thank you. and i see that vice chair mandelman has questions as well thank you. i'm -- support this and we gotta pay the bills. but -- may be the out size in part i would think the out sized

over time say function of their being a large department had they are off they are off by more. i'm curious about and what that driving that at general. and i don't know if you can talk about that now. but -- are we keeping more general for longer than we should and reimbursements than we should be able to and a large are prospect dollar. which 'lled that be addressed by an prop to other alternatives places for people to be that d ph could pursue. may be not answer these now but i would be intdz in them towards budget time increases staffing

for muo and title 22. there are a number of factors impacting the census a long are length of stay post pandemic than prepandemic. we are seeing lower level of care patients and hard to move out patients that are searching for placement that run the gammet of behavioral health. skilled nursing and other external resources to the hospital for patient placement. those other main factors at this time. >> and is this driven by

inability to discharge folks to laguna honda? >> that's correct >> we gotta pay for it i will support this. >> thank you, vice chair mandelman. supervisor safai. >> through the chair to00 eye don't recall see thanksgiving level supplemental for the different departments like this in the last few years had is different about this year? >> great question. so in the left 2 years we did not bring the over time supplemental before the board because of a lot most of the over time we saw in departments was upon driven by the covid-19 pandemic. sick time taken and the hospitals. so we were able to wave the requirements to come before the board to request additional over

time because of the covid emergency. we have not dhn in 2 years. but prior to that, it was typical. to have departments request some level transferring permanent to over time >> yea yoochlt what i wanted to say for the chair and add-on to what mandelman and the chair said, the thing that concerns me the most is is that so many of the different upon departments are part of our emergency response system. we have fire being we have ambulance. we have health department and emergency room. 911 will it goes on and on and on. and i have to say, we literally 3 years ago had a hearing about the short staffing on emergency room nurses in sf general. >> we consolidated and worked hard with the hr department and

worked to facilitate and accel rit the hiring process from 9 to 11 months to 90 days. and so this just seems to me a consistent inability to manage this situation. in an on going manner temperature is causing our emergency rooms and causing our emergency responders and 911 operators, it is causing a comwill plea in over load on the system. it one thing to do over time of but i can actual having spoken to many of the emergency room nurses they are at a breaking point. they can't continue to do over time. their mental health is pushed to the limit. i say i'm going to support this but i think the mayor's office. hr, everyone needs to come and

do a better job of moving and accel ritting the hiring process this is putting stress on our system. this is really causing us to be at a breaking pointful we had a hearing last year, department of public works between a 20-30% vacancy. people are anxiety row about the conditions of the streets. they are angry how filthy things are. well the department can't separate if it has a 20 + percent vacancy rate we need to hire and get the jobs filled. thank you. >> thank you. would you like the general hospital i think i believe that there are many staff that are

here from the city departments to answer questions that specific low about how they are manage. i don't expect director doon tow answer how like the specific low how over time and deployment and operations of each city department that resulted in the over time. we had the conversation before there is someone here from san francisco general that does the hiring they will say there is a national shortage in nursing. we use traveling nurse. but whoo when i'm more concerned is the hiring process and has that been accel ritd and that time frame reduced? what are we doing to ensure we are at a better staffing level so we don't use over time so aggressively. is there someone here from.

we have a team who are working together in trying to improve hiring. did a presentation before the civil service commission. our average time to hire versus given all of the complexities supervisor safai, you mentioned. we have a goal of reducing the time to hire to 60 days. it will take time. we held a recruitment event on april 8 with appreciation to the inter~im chief jillian to help. we reached over capacity on that. we look forward to continuing

recruitment events. we have hiring efficiencies we implementd and continue to and monitor those as well. and in terms of pipeline in getting additional staff in, we are looking for the to partnering with other partners in trying to increase our pipeline, career opportunity, promote a path so we can provide additional opportunities for existing staff. we are looking for things like enhancing our student nursing program and others. and i will add with we have april 236 vacancies of nurses and over 70% in the process of being filld and so we have been working on trying to fill these. we understand and appreciate the impact the significant impact has on nurses working heard on behalf of our patients. thank you. i hope i answered it happy to

answer others. >> i'm okay >> thank you, supervisor safai >> my question is for the department of public works. and perhaps the fire department. in terms of natural disaster like the wildfire or in this case a storm. these are not anticipated and puc is here the questions i have for city department there are similarly to what will i post to the director is that you know as we are appropriating to face and tackle natural disaster that i don't see ending or we will have a challenge to anticipate. what is the strategy to balance between hiring and also over time spending? we can go with the department of go with fire department, first.

>> good morning. mark corso finance and planning from the fire department joined by tom oshg connor. yes, as mentioned before we have one of the departments that has a minimum staffing mandate. when we have the less people the moreover time we use and fluctuates throughout the year. we have a regulated daily staffing level. during the storms that was not an issue that increased the calls we had. it was not an issue of us needing additional staff to be brought o. some of the other instance you mentioned during the summer when we have mutual aid and wildfire events we want to assist our neighboring partners to the extent this we can. and general we do to the extent we are not showing we have staff in san francisco to cover the

city. depending on staffing levels the health of those level and during the year may dictate how many resources we send to jurisdictions or elsewhere throughout the state. we are looking for hiring we had a pause during covid we lost people from retirements and separations but we are not back fill and hiring them. we are on our way of making progress we anticipate academies each year to net back and become more healthy over all staffing number that will only allow us additional resources to respond to the emergency situations elsewhere. >> thank you. may be bruce? deputy director for finance and administration for d. public works. >> good morning, supervisor. deputy director of finance

management with public works. good question. one thing we experienced and revisiting is this winter season was unlike anything we experienced. looking at our numbers begin out thing,000 sand bags. dealt with 2800 do you understand trees. and over time was about 250 thousand dollars. nominal when you look at a d. 450 million dollars. what happend that caught us off guard was the impact of the 3 barges off the tethers at the third street bridge. that really happy something this is unpress dented the impact on the over time is driving the increase. so we are going become to look hat over all requirements are going forward if we have weather event in future years. we are hoping that this was a once in a lifetime experience where -- the impact of the third street bridge is that is driving

the latter part of our over time. we have staffing and planning for the events but this was one that we have not looked at. we work with the mayor's office and working with staffing to mitigate over time and try to stay within the budget we don'ts want to burn out our staff especially urban forestry with street tree impacts from the trees that were downed. we are doing pretty well and should be something to dom i will highlight one thing. take advantage to plug our new hr team the vac analysisy rate in operations is down 11.7% we hired up a bit and this is another reason why our over time numbers are not as significantful although we did need the appropriation but our

ask is minor >> is puc here, or men jeremie? and help us understand. i think begin rk park islet to the party adding a million dollars ask and i do expect similar questions answered by rec and park. good morning, chair and supervisors i'm nancy the dhooef financial officer and general manager for business service at puc. we originally requested a 1.4 million over time supplemental and increased that to 1.5 million through february-march there were rivers that had produced significant weather events. a lot of staff in wastewater have been out there managing storm water flows. cleaning debris and the watershed as well a lot of damage to our roads inaccessible

to infrastructure out there. at the same time, you know our staff we have a high vacancy rate in each enterprises alosts staff working over time there. i'm joined here today with joe. he is the acting assistant manager for wastewater and provide context of staff and had they have been doing the last mont. >> what is your highest vacancy rate? >> we have our human resource director here. >> upon someone knows the answer to that question. i'm laura bush budget director. our rate is 25%. >> that's high >> very high >> okay. >> good morning, joe acting [inaudible] for wastewater. ours is 20% vacancy now. filling the positions will help get people on the streets and

responding to events. but said that, the storms we face third degree year were overwhelming. we never faced these and the system was simple low unable to handle it. we have to responded and have staff that do it and hard pressed to get folks hired. we have a diverseified workforce there are different classes to recruit we have some successes there the other thing we were working on is hire temporary employees. staffing over the winter with temporary employees. they are hard to recruit for depending on the season and different situations. >> understood. thank you. >> rec and park? you have one million dollars. >> correct. thank you. antonio director of administration and finance for rec park. i to continue we have been

having the same issues others have with the winter storms. essential low we had a lot of over time mostly focused on taking care of downed tree in january and march. and you might be familiar with stearn grove. and a lot of damage at embarcadero club house and marina green flooded in january. and the golf course 40 do you understand trees at harding park. the other areas maintenance had over time. and ranger over time as well has been an issue for pus. i would say our greatest vacancy rate i have to get information. but i let me mrook into had. >> thank you. >> yea >> thank you. joy think for all the city departments here i wanted to know you are essentials and so

the reason why we ask the question and anticipating i think a couple of things for me looking at the reality of of the climate crisis i than everyone here it is unpresidented storm. when if this is our new norm that is one thing i urge city departments this participated in the over time supplemental today to consider that is eighty-one thing and second is that the fact we have 117 anniversary for the earthquake from 1906 yesterday is a reminds and i think it is we said that in san francisco not if it is when the big one hits for earthquake for the city that upon event what is what are we going to do in that event in terms of the disaster hit. of course all handses on deck then but something tong about. and planning for the future and planning for unexpected.

with this, thank you and i don't see other names for the roster. mr. clerk call public comment on this item. >> members who wish to speak are joining person lineup. for those remote call 415-655-0001 access code: 2484 035 3728 ##. step up and i will start your time. >> thank you, board. thank you for allowing me to address you today on this matter. this is a big things that come up on the newspapers all the time. right. over time pay for city guys and employees make 500 thousand dollars a year based on over time. that is a great thing it is a perks working for the city you w

over time and make a lot of money. >> it great. go ahead and you know appropriate this money for this department. fire department 4 million; various departments. basically it it is a great thing to give it to them. and recruit. other thing is -- instead of relying so much on over time. may be you know create a volunteer force. you know. why not credit a volunteer force. a solid organization, solid program dhr can cord nit that for you guys to you know make it a legit experience not something on the weekends or once in awhile but structured. irrelevant ridge and i had has form and substance, like what

[inaudible]. do this for the city have a peace corps for the city i would be first in line. to take advantage of that. give me experience. and things of that sort. basically it is a perk of you make over time. so. that's it. >> >> thank you. no more speakers here in the chamber, and we have no one in the queue >> public comment is closed. i do understands let's move amendments and from which had i understands thrill are substantive. >> department city attorney, yes they are substantive. i wanted to flag thatimented to energy copy circulated earlier was not the final copy. the final draft was just sent to

you chair chan. that one. right. does not include one of the amendments discussed today just not incorporated. a new copy hen circulated. if you would like to come back later to give time to look at the hard copy that is your choice, but act on the one in box now >> come back. >> i thank you is my question. first, i think we need to come become we don't need the city departments to be present. we are all understands and this because of the substantive we have to continue either way and the bla will step in to evaluate things the reshg and park amendments not evaluated and discussed prior to this mite meeting. i think that bla mentioned public health additional amendments for the supplemental.

those other 2 items this will require time to evaluate that. when i intend to do today i think while i will bring this back up next week for continue for just so this we really t up the information. i will continue to the call of the chair intention to bring it back next week. come so we will circle back to this. then we closed public comments and comment made and closed we will circle back with we don't need to reopen the public comment. good. >> let's circle back to this. later. may be likely the end of the agendaful so -- and so call item 3. >> yes. item 3, resolution authorizing the sudden fran library to get

[inaudible] recording collection to emerson college. members joining remote and wish to comment call 415-655-0001, access code: 2484 035 3728 ##. i'm here. >> transferring to emerson

college in boston. i'm susan goldstein and manage the san francisco history center and the main library special collections where the archives for the city are located. brief history. library received a gift of recordings in 1994. the understanding this some would be received overnight course of the donor's most of the collection received once the donor died. a number of recordings and a variety of formats were delivered by the donor. and in january of 22, the family requested the library take deliver of the entire collection because of change in life circumstantials for the don'tar they want to deliver hundreds of box of record albums and audio formats to the library with the donor alive and collected the past 29 years.

reappraisal. after years of house and protecting the collection our staff and special collections discussed reapraise the collection. the future of the specialized research collection which was grow to an unmanageable size. it is typical for libraries and museums to reapraise collections to still see if than i mitt the mission. our folk nus this department and collecting and maintaining the archives of san francisco and other francesca organizations. collect the collections of community groups and large lbgtq+ collections. ourion is to document the history of the city of san francisco. we are not known for recorded sound. it was clear they did not have the pace or resources to accommodate this collection nor possible to give it the

attention it needed for development, prosecute motion and preservation. at this point they looked for other institutions who might be interested in take thanksgiving collection. choice emerson collegiate some point after 2 where are 05 the donor gave his duplicate reportings, newspaper clippings to emerson college where they have i large american comedy archive and have a bachelor in fine arts and arts. because of the previous enter in emerson, our staff contacted their library staff for a transfer and they were interested in having the entire collection come to their institution it supports their student programs and institutional mission. in addition the donor confirms this transfer of the collection to emerson and supports the decision. emerson is an educational institution that ensure the

preservation and access ability of the collection. this transfer will be a benefit to both of our institutions with the full support of the donor. at this time emerson needs to extend fundses to move the collection before june 30 of 23. they are sending a moving company to berkley to pick update bulk of the collection and would like to move sfpl portion of the collection in the same cross country shipment. we would like to get approval to move collection as soon as possible. should be an uncontroversial transfer to a more appropriate institution and we are happy to found a resolution that works for everyone. thanks. >> thank you. i appreciate the care the city has to provide for not just this collection.

in your custody. i appreciate your expert ease and appreciate your knowledge. i would love to have a tour at brooks hall when public to look at what do we have in over there. former low we work together on identifying different history. or history of different parks in the city and always appreciate you. thank you. >> seeing no other questions.

let's go to public comments. thank you. member who is wish to speak and joining person line up now for those remote call 415-655-0001. access code: 2484 035 3728 ##. >> thank you. this is a great item here. it is a great collection the represent is telling us there is a wonderful collection san francisco archives with this individual and want to transfer to emerson college in boston that is a great shows you what

type of city this is. this takes a board to decide not somebody this come in the night and stops a truck and take this is stuff to boston. this it is a city resource. a city asset. this collection is a city asset and the fact we are here now discussing it and how tell go there is terrific. amazing i wish i had somebody looking out for me i spends a lot of time at the library there all day. morning to night when i was a homeless person this is where i lived i slept dollar from 2-3 years. and so something come out you think -- involving the library. it touches me and it is involves me and i'm glad to be here to talk to you to -- you know talk with you about it. and stuff like that. okay. yea.

that's all. >> member mandelman. >> aye >> safai >> aye >> chair chan yoochl aye >> the motion passes. call item 4 >> item 4 is a resolution retroactively contract administration to enter in a contract with the city and county in north american incorporated for the lease of tires and services for san francisco municipal transportation agency. buss and tropicalys with a contract not to exceed of 13.5 million and 5.4 for optional 2

years. for a total not to exceed 18. 9 million and 7 years commencing on april 24 of 2023. member who is wish to comment call 415-655-0001, access code: 2484 035 3728 ##. when the system indicates you have been unmuted that will be your signal to begin your comments >> thank you, this item was continued from last week we had conversations colleagues that we had conversation about the evaluation performance. we asked here today -- from the city purchaser here.

and went back with the budget and legislative analyst office to figure this out. >> so now they are back here today. i think we sounds like we may have a solution. i will let you tell what yous that is. >> thank you. good morning supervisors. i would like to thank you for a very good and thoughtful discussion last week on this contract. we have met with the budget and legislative analyst office and colleagues at mta. to further discuss performance standard everstandardses and monitoring. so -- i think we will present a bit of data. i want to discuss control and data collection efforts there was per nan information we realized we should have shared with the bla and you last week.

the data collection we already do. lewis. i think it on the line. virtually. yes, i'm here yoochlt okay. so -- to have the contractor be on board with when we do. we do daily inspections. they inspect the tread of the tires daily at night when the coaches are in. we do inspections on our own through our preventative maintenance when the coach come in. to get the p.m. our mechanics look at the tires they see something wrong they will notify the vender. than i look at it and put it in the queue to be replaced. before that vehicle pulls out in

the morning. the operators also do a preinspection of the coach also entails looking at the vehicles, we have many checks to see the tires are being locked at. throughout the day. throughout the month. and they are getting replaced timely. again. we have an on site tire vender, they supplied the tires. they have the inventory in stock throughout the agency 6 of the locations. for the inventory. never out because most of the tires are the same. one division runs out go to another one it keep that on point. >> tires standards they are a minimum tire thickness they go by it is 2, 32nd. this is what the california code

tao calls for when it gets through that. then they are replacing them. muni, mta pis for mileage on the tires not for the tire's used. if you go through a toire one an among we don't pay we pay for the mileage. and the mileage is based on our fleet watch system this reads the mileage as it miss in the facilities every night. we tell the vender this month we have this much mileage on the fleet. charge us accordingly. so -- from there, let's see what else do we have. roll call. is 24-7 if there is a bus in the field and they get called by central control they have a 60 minute window to respond to replace that tire or fix what is going on with that air if up and

become in service. we have a mechanism there through my maintenance controllers that we check those roll calls. daily. we check the cents roll control log if there is something for a tire we review temperature see how long it took and towed in. which an out of service criptoryia. we are able to monitor that the vender does for our tires. other than that. i think that is it. talk about -- some urg matrix there.

procure am of the mta. already addressed the aspects of what is done daily at the mta related to the tire contract. data used by mitch listen and the mta n. mta owns sleep watch that system generates all of the data alcohol is owned by the city. uses the data to not just monitor and control contract related to the mitch michelin contract based on mileage. to -- implement [inaudible].

those things. you know -- the fleet watch system is installed on every bumps based on driving conditions, generates data data is generated for miles. driven by a bus. which then is multiployed by the tires. so that information is then used to make payments to michelin. we gent rit that data and identify the mileage. and that we mta approved payment based on the mileage used. >> other thing is outside of the fleet system. you know the contract requires road call. if there is a coach or bus out there out of service on the street, and it it is te