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>> like to take roll. >> commissioner walker. >> present. >> commissioner benedicto. >> present. >> commissioner byrne. >> here. >> also with us we have chief scott from the sfpd and paul hendz son from the police accountability. >> sergeant, first item >> 1, weekly officer recognition presentation. officer alfredo oropeza from mission station and officer jose canchola, mission station. >> good evening. thank you. i'm captain from mission police station officer canchola and

officer alfredo oropeza. sorry. >> working on that all day. >> let me thank the commission for this opportunity. director henderson and chief scott, thank you very much temperature has been my pleasure to work with jose and alfredo for the better part of 2 years now. they are my foot beat officers work in the castro. to say this lightly does not give them enough credit. jot gentlemen working up in the castro for over 4 years as the foot beat. they have been a vital part of commission police station. you know there are challenges throughout the city of san francisco with the unhoused mentally ill and drug addicted the 2 set an example of what foot beat officers really do and how valuable they can be to the police department and to the community at large. >> i will give you an example.

last year at about this time. we were having a number of problems in the castro with the unhoused and mentally ill. and as you imagine we have an active community group up there who brings that to the attention of the police department and the board of supervisors and the mayor's office regularly. >> we put together a team of city agencies the d. public health and homelessness. emergency communication division and the police department to come up with a solution to address these. when we sat down to identify those individuals in the castro who were causing the most calls for service and causing most disruptions up tlshg jose and alfredo here wasted now time in let'sing us know who the folks were. i credit that to their ability

to know upon the business ordinance. the community and those in their beat that are in distress. they have spent years make those relationships with folks and we have made great strides up there. we do have a number of community group individuals regular low sends us a graph on tent counts. calls for service, number of homeless and i tell you without a doubt, in the last 6 mont wes seen the numbers go down dramatically. so great has the program been because of the officers participation that the other districts are looking at that as a model. and they know everybody in the district and -- with the challenges we had with the injunction regarding the

unhoused, we have had to change gears and come up with a different plan on how to deal with will people in need of services and get an upon number of complaints b. hose competence alfredo know those individuals. developed relationships with them example when we go and i get an e mail in the morning they gallon out and make contact with the persons and services and many times they decline the service. they connect with them and know them and know their backgroundses and know by their first and nick names and street names and whatever they are going by on that day. they have been invaluable resource there and set the example of what foot beats can do and how they can be operated when i went with my first walk with them we walked the different businesses on the

castro district. it was refreshing they knew business owners and the community and the dynamics of everything going on up there. and a vital resource. i'm going to callum captain harvey who is now the captain at mission police station and an example of something they did today a recognition of how vital they are. tom? >> okay i will get to this this morning we received a complaint at the station. regarding an individual who was causing disturbance on -- hartford street. and -- in no time flat information was developed that the person causing a ruckus had a warrant for their arrest. i reached out to the 2 gentlemen and asked, can you respond to this area and attempt to locate the person? within minutes, the person was

located. and placed under arrest. bring about a sense of reprieve to the neighborhood once more. so that is sort of a very recent today example of the good work the two do, thank you >> with that, thank you very much for honoring these 2 officers. and i don't have anymore to say. thank you. [applause]. hold on one moment. thank you. captain and harvey for highlighting these officers. extraordinary work. before we take photos i want to offer the officers if they like to say a few words. >> thank you. captain it has been an honor and pleasure working with you the past 2 years and thank you very

much for nominating us for this award. thank you, chief scott and my piers and commission. it is an honor. we don't need this but it is nice you know, thank you. also want to thank captain for being an amazing boss. pier as well and definitely a mentor for alfredo and myself. the boss we work with in the upon even on along sergeant reynolds. so, i do want to thank everyone that you know for the award and we did not expect that. we like doing our work in the castro. the people we work with makes us feel we are at home. end of the day.

we walk out if we did a good job and okay we think we did a good job. thank you, guys. >> [applause] >> san francisco police department recognizes officer alfredo oropeza star 432, mission police station officer of the week in recognition of your professionalism through outstanding community police and inspiring greatness with the ideals of the police officers as guardians of our community an example is worthy of the highest esteem by san francisco. and the san francisco police department. presented on may 3, 2023, signed by chief william scott. [applause]. jose? >> i will not repoe that. this is presented to you on this

third day of may 2023 signed by chief william scott. thank you very much. >> [applause] thank you, i appreciate it. >> thank you, i express thanks to officers oropeza and canchola for the service to the city to community policing and commitment to the work. i than my colleaguesment to say a couple words. director henderson? >> sure, thank you. used to be my district. i been work president folks that are still doing the work both specifically in general low for the work you have been doing i talk about the is that you goos the quote was they were the best and the model should be using not like praise i want to acknowledge i think that it is

important that we -- i think it is complicated we focus on things that need to be fixed when things are working that we acknowledge. when that gets done and who is doing that work. i want to thank you for the work you are doing. and the captain. you have a long history of doing this work and setting a good model for folk whats needs to get done, thank you all. american benedicto. >> thank you vice presidentism want to congratulate officer oropeza and canchola. hearing what the tasks were taken on foot beat is the community policing and knowing the community and building relationships with the community that we want to see and really thank you for your will commitment. we ask a lot and expect of lot of our officers that means asking hard questions and means

recognizing when officers are doing great work. it is important part of our job to recognize commitment to community policing and when things work. thank you. i want to recognize captain retiring and step down from commission for your work [inaudible] organized might have first ride along when i was sworn in a year ago and a great resource and -- also to extend the best wishes to captain harvey taking over admission station. commissioner walker. >> thank you. congratulations. i lived in mission i want to sort of thank you for your service in my neighborhood. and i spend a lot of time in the castro talking to folk and they love you there. i just you are an example. we need to continue to do the work that works.

and i want to commends you for that. a lot. they appreciate it there and so do we. and i want to welcome captain harvey to the neighborhood. again. i think. yes. thank you. chief scott. >> thank you. commissioner benedicto and walker part of what i want to say i want to thank him for 33 years of service for the san francisco actually 40 years he was a cadet before. this was the last day and about the officers but that's no small feat, thank you for your service. welcome tom harvey wee have him in mission. thank you, captain harvey.

and my last upon comments. i want to thank the mission for this recognition. this work this than i do the daily work. not medal of valor stuff butt work that is the life of the sudden front police department it is when they do every day. may not be the extraordinary thing that makes the news but this is the work that makes the community want foot beats all over they do it right. i've seen them. i heard many positive comments about them. thank you and thank the mission for recognizing this time work that's important. so, thank you president and vice president. and the mission for rescue noising this work, it makes a difference. [applause].

make public comment regarding item one. prop the podium or press star 3. >> you have 2 minutes >> commissioners. i'm francisco decosta. and i'm trying this system. for the first time. so, it is rather difficult for us now to contact y'all virtually. we have to make arrangements so that 72 hours before we speak.

we get permission. so, i'm glad i'm trying this system so i'm glad i got to and i watch the officers being commended. of course, i appreciate that very much. and i look forward now they can get in the system to participate on the other agenda items. thank you very much. >> commissioners that is the end of public comment. >> thank you. next item. >> 2, general public comment. the public is welcome to address the commission for up to 2 minutes items not on tonight's

agenda but in the subject matter of this police commission. the rowels of order commissioners are not required to respond but may sponld. comments are available excuse me. you may submit comment the following ways. e mail us horror written u.s. postal service to public safety building 1235, third street. if you like to comment approach the podium >> good evening. i'm jerry. fooer the second time 2 weeks ago unite our [inaudible] walk together tell be tougher, i think. today i like to address the idea of you know there is a big push to safety.

safety, safety. safety. okay. safety. >> starts with responsibilities. if you don't focus on responsibility, you can't have safety. because unsafety or danger come with irresponsibility. the big push for that come from people who are irresponsible. pay attention to that for actual is important. responsibility. and it is a teaching process. it is absolutely clear. responsibility the big term there is different aspects to it. you know. being acounsel okay. stuff like that responsibility we have a vision of what it means. responsible you do good and safe. irresponsible that's it. 7 years olds.

have a good night yoochlt good evening i'm paulet brown i'm here concerning my son. who was murdered august 14, 2006. this is a new year, it will be 17 years. of my son being murdered. sometimes i come here and don't know what to say. i feel like i'm permanent if i can tour on the wall. here come that mother who lost her son.

yes, i lost my son i want justice for my child. i may smile hi see you we are human i need to laugh sometimes. sometimes i do. when well is functions i'm there i need more than standing here talking about my child. i put this here because my son in a casket and standing over him as a mother. when will i get justice? his case is a cold case. what do we do as mothers? how long am i going to have to come here? when am i going to get a bit of closure? a little bit? i need that. he has siblings left.

that will never see him againful and then all they say my mother come to the police commission every witness stand crying about our brother. what do i do? >> members have information regarding the murder of audrey call the tor/7 tip line. good evening have you 2 minutes. >> mr. decosta your hand is raised but i'm unable to unmute

you yoochl commissioners can you hear me. >> i can hear you. you have 2 minutes. >> commissioners we san franciscans embrace everybody. on tuesday at the board supervisor's meeting, the population in [inaudible] more young people. stated to us the city and county of san francisco has divided us [inaudible] 40 billion dollars. that we -- the citizens. the constituents are not paying

attention to the youth. the youth who are treated with distain. no young person --. no young child in san francisco united nation [inaudible]. should tree our youth, our children with distain. much more. shot by a person that go shopping. so the president of the board asked the district attorney, to resume the [inaudible]. and to ajudeicate the case as it should be adjudicated.

you should not be fast to adjudicate a, case within 48 hours. this is wrong. i know that -- thank you, caller limp is no more public comment. >> thank you, next item >> 3, consent receive and file action. collaborative reform, monthly update. first quarter audit of electronic communication for biace. >> can i get a motion? >> motion. >> second. >> thank you. >> members who like to comment raurding item 3 consent, approach the podium or press star 3. there is no public ment. commissioner walker. >> yes. >> commissioner benedicto. >> yes.

>> commissioner byrne. >> yes >> >> commisioner william ortiz-cartagena: yes. >> you have 5 yes. >> line item 4 adoption of minutes for april 5 and april 12 of 2023. >> motion to adopt. member who is would like to ment on item 4 approach or press star 3. commissioner walker >> yes >> benedicto >> yes. >> commissioner bibb. >> yes >> vice president oberstone, >> yes. >> you have 5 yes's. >> chief's report. weekly public safety occurrence events in san francisco an impact on public safety. discussion on activities the

chief will be limited to determine whether to calendar for a future meeting. chief scott. >> good evening. commission and the public. i will start this week with over all the crime trend and violent crime is up 4%. and property crime down 9%. the total serious crime is down 8% that is a 1300 crime reduction from the time left year. highlights homicides we have 17 year to date compared to 15. y we also one of those 17 is an incident that happened in 2004. the person died from complications from the injuries. that has the crime reporting requires will be count against us this year. >> total gun violence down by 3%

a difference of 2. 67 this year and 65 last year and weapons seizures up by 23 from over last year. we are getting guns off the street. 39 of the 336 weapons were ghost guns that is about 15% or so. 10%. over 10%. there are 2 major homicide incidents. 2 homicides to report. one occurred on 4/87 on market. security guard at the business of that location attempted detain a suspected shop lifter when an altercation occurred with the security guard and the shop lifter. shop lifter/victim left the store and turn to the security

goord. spat on the guard. raised an arm toward the security guard the security guard shot the victim and the victim died that night. the security guard was detain exclude arrested. this is an open investigation. very public. the da did not file chargeos this case. but there is more investigation what our homicide investigators are doing on this case. it is in the a closed case yet. the second incident was on 4:30, 2023 at 4. . 35 a.m. on folsom. victim in the driver's seat of his car with 2 friends. subject knockod the driver's door. victim was shot at close range. victim drove and stopped. the 2 friends in the vehicle with the victim were unharmed. with thes were able to get

accounts about the 2 sense involved. this is an investigation on going with no arrests at this time. >> 2 shooting incident in this period one was the 100 block in qatar valon april 6 at 2 p.m. officers arrived and found the victim outside of his vehicle. the victim was unsure of who shot him and no witnesses to the incident. however, several residents heard shots and a vehicle crashing and more shots the victim was transported for medical treatment. no arrested made. victim injuries status is not life threatening at this time. on april 30 at 7th and stevenson in the tenderloin a victim had a gunshot wound the victim was

transportd and did not provide information. witness saw a possible suspect flee on muni headed to the mission. subject was at 16th and mission and was taken in custody and the firearm was recoveried. and that particular case there were -- a couple of homicide arrests -- that occurred on april 23rd. this was reported on left week. a shooting in grant and columbus involving 5 victims. one su.commed to injuries at the scene. victims were transported with injuries. several witness were interviewed and the result was an indication one of the subjects shot with another subject was attempting to rob upon the other shooting victimace gun point. an altercation result instead

shooting on april 24th. suspect was taken in and both charges of 187 ap c and 3 counts of attempted murder. 664-187 and attempted robbery. and additional charges. this incident remains under investigation. robbery with gun that stretched from february 22nd to march 9. along 16th and mission. 2 sense were identified from video footage during the investigation. a third suspect is known to be involved however his identification has not been confirmed from the evidence. warrants for the robbery and assaults issued for 2 subjects. 2 subjects on april 21st near 18th and mission. and the city of after a short

pursuit both were taken in custody am officers recognized an individual at the scene as a third suspect not guilty video of the robberies and detained them. both vehicles were parked at the scene and toed as evidence. there are other incident in the robbery series this are under investigation. this was good work by our investigators and our officers involved in this case. more to follow as there are more robberies connected to the series. and the last thing for a stabbing that occurred 427, 2023 to. . 18 on grant and the tenderloin. the victim urban alchemy staff member he was stabbed the victim provide now further information. the victim was in stable condition. no arrests at this time the investigation is on going. the last incident was a battery

with injuries elder abuse. 448ace 8:30 a.m. market and no net mission. 2 victims walk when a subject ran in their direction. causing the victim that fall. victim one fell on the concrete. struck her head come lost consciousness. no arrested at this time that is urngd investigation. tenderloin, there was 8,000 fentanyl seized. that is increase of 177% compared to this time last year. we had 15 arrests for possession for sales. over the week for most of those almost all have been in the tenderloin. total year to date is 284. the last is the california highway patrol deploy am in the city. that started monday.

the there is a press conference on friday i spoke and the commissioner of the california highway patrol and from the california national guard. and basically i will put out what was -- will stated and what the chp what work they are doing in the city. and this is from commissioner from the chp they have an interest in california community. california highway patrol committed to collaborating with partners and identified specific action items can take to help improve. officers deployed work with sfpd to enhance public safety. assist sfpd increasing uniform officers within areas in this case the tenderloin area. and the disrupt and deter

activity. provide train to officers to assist to deter and detect jug crimes. and use the existing resources from units provide support to develop criminal case disrupt narcotic's trafficking the presence of officers is to deter criminal activity they will take action if they have to and make arrests. c ph is here to supplement sfpd they will compliment them. immediate measures of success is we hope to see a change in the conditions on the streets. that was the statement from chp. national guard administrative and analytical support. they are part of a regional partnership and as well analyst

in the partnership. what we hope to see from this, the support that the governor gifrn us more focus on san francisco the task force as a responsibility outside of the city. most dochlt we thome see focus with the analytical support in san francisco. we gotten a lot of questions from the public about the national guard's role. they are not going to be boots on ground with national gurpd soldiers. no military equipment or nothing of that nature. so that was stated by the general in the conference. i want to reiterate. analytical and administrative support this is an on going partnership. won't don't have an end date but we'll continue to work at the

resources to make sure the give them the way tell help the city and the values when we are been from the san francisco police department. dignity, respect and safety with respect and the thing this is commission and department worked to accomplishment that concludes my report. >> thank you, chief. >> vice president carter-oberstone? >> thank you for the report, chief. i wanted ask you about the shooting of banko brown by the private security guard exported to ask a few details a lot we have more in the last day or so. i want to ask you a couple hings. so, do we know for certain whether the victim was armed or not. the victim. >> there is no evidence the victim was armed. >> okay. and have you reviewed the video. >> no , i have not.

>> and at one point i read the victim may have been shot in the back is that correct >> that is not correct. >> okay. and do we know much about the shooter. i have not seen much reported about him. we than the shooter employed as a security guard armed security guard there is further investigation on the shooter and the shooter's history. but that basically when we know at this point. >> do we know how long he has been a security guard. >> no , i don't vice president that information that is a part of this investigation. >> do we know if he has prior military experience or law enforcement experience? >> don't know. >> again. that person's background is

being investigated. >> and i guess you say then the investigation is on going. this -- so the da said that charges would not be brought in this case. why is there an investigation that continues to go on? >> there are still questions unanswered and the da has made a decision obviously and put out statements based on what evidence was brought to the case. our team is has been asked to further inquire. i don't know where that will go and can't commit anything to what the da may or may not do but we have not closed our investigation. who asked? our folks have been asked by their upon chain of command to continue to investigate. in of the things you are asking about. because we believe they are

important to this case. so -- where that will go, i don't know. if anywhereful but as a part of having their investigation of the case we will continue this investigation. >> okay. if you can't say at this time it is fine. if you can say who asked. who asked the investigation to be continued i'm curious. i'm -- have not been on the commission that long but never seen where the d assays no charges will be brought butt police department continues investigation. i'm wondering if that is not disclose today is in the. >> that is there are case where the da has declined charges to file charges they are still investigative steps zoe to take. charges can be resubmitted if this is appropriate. i will be clear on that.

this happened quickly over a couple day and they are day nas our command staff think there needs to be done on this investigation. so those things will be done and i don't know where that will lead but we have directed the investigators do those things we asked of them that's as much as i can say. >> fair enough. i want to ask you about before this commission when i first started early on. which was a presentation by supervisor stefani's chief of staff about a bill she planed introduce at the time and has passed. and essential supervisor stefani discovered that there was an article 25 of the police code that said that the san francisco police department was charged with supervisoring the registration, licensure and issuing regulations that cover

private security guards. >> and this had been pass in the 1972 but never philidelphia. the board thereafter i think it was men in january of 2022, passed a law basically asking the department and the controller to put together a study on how article 25 needed to be updated. it was almost a half century old the state paddled laws since. we need to figure out where we were and how it needed to be amended. has that report been completed by the controller and police department? >> that report has not been completed. but that report is still in process. so that was over a year ago. and on april i'm sorry. the i don't remember the date when it went to the boards of

supervisors but what came out was what you said. the department asked for that -- article and -- implementation of the article to be looked at by the controller's office and there are many reasons for that. and this was a 1972 ordinance that most of us if not the marnlts of us never heard of. there is some questions about whether that needs to be revisitd and who has the authority to or needs to have the authority of security guards as the law state. the article exist this is is a state of california consumer affairs00 issue in terms of governing of security guards in the state. we have worked on that report. has not been publishd and worked with the controller's office that report will go to the board

and published with recommendation. >> if i recall, there was a 6 mont time plain at the time it was passed have there been requests and discussions of an extension to complete the report since this time? >> yea. i think my notes i believe that report is -- we have done our part on that. let's see here. you can circle back later >> it was submitted in september of 2022. why okay.

we are waiting for the controller to complete their review before it goes to the board then? yea. the next step controller waiting on review of that analysis and go from there. >> okay. >> just one last question about what happened on the day of the shooting. i saw it reported that the shooter pulled his gun out during the a verbal altercation before threats of violence were alleged 3 made or not made and removed his gun from his holster before? is that your understanding? >> that is in the my understanding. but i have not seen the video. and there is there is still w to

be done that is not my understanding but i cannot confirm that. before this hearing i looked at article 25 of the police code special section 1750.19, shall be unlawful for an armed guard in san francisco to draw or exhibit other then and there in a holster a handgun except to a threat to person or property. so, if in fact the guard did as was reported by an outlet take his gun oust holster before there was a 38 that violates recall 25. >> yea. this is not my understanding, commissioner but i have not seen the video so i have not been briefed that is in the my understanding. >> okay. >> thank you. i wanted to move on to the

publicly reported incident about the former fire commissioner. who was badly youred by unhoused person. and and then appears to implicated in potential suspect. sounds like in a slew of attacked on unhoused people. >> so. i will start the report there were 8 please reports the da turned to the defense. is this right? >> yes. >> so at the time department turned over the reports, its material that the department has reason to believe would be and terrible low -- this means the

department has a high certainty or -- better than a hunch that the it is the victim in the case who committed those 8 assaults on unhoused people? no, that's -- not accurate >> no. >> there were 8 case bunkham there were a variety of suspect descriptions on one of the case there were video. and january of this year the one officer involved put out an e mail to the department to tray to identify the person on the video. there were a wide range of descriptions of this person in terms of the size and weight of the person. i would not say that's accurate.

>> great. if there is a low level certainty why would they be turned over as material if the department did not think they were connected and all >> is this on upon agenda. >> yes. it is agenda the chief's report this it is within the >> did not report on it. >> yes that00 autochief's report is not tethered what the chief report in his opening statement its is what is on the public notice on the brown act. when is your question >> i lost my train of thought, chief i will say it again. i guess my question is it was turned over as this might be but seems like there has to be some belief on the department's per they were committed by the same person and that person there is some chance this person might be the victim in this case. do i have that wrong >> my understanding it is public

defend are brought this issue out the allegation that the victim of that case may be this person and that lead to upon the -- turning over of these case. that does in the mean the upon department said or -- saying that these are all the same person. i mean the descriptions are vary in age and size. but my understanding is that raised the issue i don't know if public defender released the video but it was released. i think we have to turn that information over once that issue was raised. >> great. okay. >> another issue related is there is commentary asking why did the public not know about this i wanted ask you as a general matter. i benched sometimes the

department asks for public's help in solving crimes sometimes. i wanted ask if not a policy an informal practice around one the. department decides to ask for help from the public or not to solve a crime. >> depends on the case. there are times we ask for public's help and times where we don't the times where we don't could be a number of things. not alerting the person that you have focussed on this you have your focus on. trying to prevent destruction of evidence. it is specific to the case this is in the a perfect science when it come to this issue and sometimes they are. have you to make a decision on -- whether or not you want to disclose that information to the public or whether it is statute right thing to do but there are

also other considerations once we do that when we repolice videos you know is that going to sometimes that can do harm to the case there is consultation on the matters. when we did do was release it to the entire department this video from the january incident to try to hoist this person >> last question, is there an investigation in whether the former fire commissioner is responsible for all 8 assaults? >> yes this , is we -- have to investigate that. number one it is brought up by the defense attorney that this could be a person will involved could be the victim in the case we are talking b. we have to investigate this to determine whether or not that it is true. yes , there is an investigation. but again others because i heard

information saying they are not. there is a wide variety in descriptions in terms of age, weight. so we start there. >> thanks, chief i have questions on the chp national guard but i asked a lot i will let my colleagues go and circle back. thank you >> thank you. >> one follow up question. chief. was the supervisor of the of district in which this crime spree happening against homeless people were they made aware of the incident in police departments file in the the short period of time? >> that i don't know, grown they were all in the same district they may be. but i know there is i'm not sure if they are all in the same district i don't have the answer to that i don't know. >> okay. they happened in the news reporting there was 8 within the

marina district. >> i don't know if they were all in the marina i'm looking at the addresses i don't believe all of these near the marina, some are. >> do you know whether or not the supervisor of the districts involved were notified of the crime sprees happening against homeless >> no, this -- these cases span over -- a year and a half. i don't know if the district supervisors were add sunrised of this. okay. thank you. >> i don't know that they are all in the same district. there is some that may not number marina on this los angeles >> commissioner benedicto? >> thank you, president elias. chief, we'll start with where the vice president carter

oberstone left off. do you finish any of the 8 attacked on unhoused individuals were included in your reports >> no. >> that's either individual or ones that were a pattern it was not in the reports? >> i'm sorry yoochl they were not individual or as a group once the investigation linked them together >> no they were not >> do you think that in hinds sight that the 8 may or may not have been connected would rise to the level being include in your report? gi appreciate one individual might not be but -- well, i will answer this way. you know these things did not come together like -- this case brought a lot of this together. when the -- e mail went out in january on this case.

there were -- a couple of them with similar sense. but in terms of a crime series, no. there was not report exclude no this was not something that came to my radar until this case. >> i'd like to turn to the banko brown. i think in addition to the presentation that supervisor stefani staff gave about regulations there was around the time that -- present on the surveillance and other updates. and an update on the regulation of security guard ordinance? >> that is the article 25 issue

the vice president carter oberstone was talking to >> and a presentation i think he referenced the january 2022 presentation. i think one -- after that as well is that correct. do you know. >> september first of 2022. admitted a report on the police commission. >> the presentation was on the 7th. >> that matches may recollection. i know the report is outstanding but may be if we give them more time in the late summer and early fall we should have another update on the by then there will be a report i got an ask for that. i think armed security the board and discussion for the commission to have. i know you read the statements

on the tasks they will do as priorities there are specific how has that worked on the ground are there called by -- dispatch or -- if they are patrol and see a crime in progress they will take time on that incident. the upon tenderloin is part of their patrol is soma down in mission. and we can hear when they make a staff we can here.

from soma down it mission. issues with narcotics and narcotics dealing and that thing. so that is the your they are focusing on. >> they are not operating whether what it would be >> not this group ump see ralphs all overnight city. they have a station. this group is tenderloin and soma. >> um -- do you finish they made arrests? >> i don't know how many i know they have, yes. do you know had the arrests were for. you was told narcotics. and >> and a warrant. and a warrant as well. they would process through their

station and sfpd for processing >> no they processed any arrests they are standing protocol before this they book at the san francisco county jail. are patrols are they vehicles or foot beats do you when they are looking like. that's their call but now it is all cars. 6 as of now that could increase they will not decrease now but could increase >> is this 6 officers or cars of -- they ride in single officer cars for the most part. >> okay.

>> since you know you are able to community is there a situation that occurred where they will respond to a call along side sfpd. >> yes. >> and vice verseasm they are able to -- they need asisterance or vice verse athey could respond to us or we to them. >> >> they respond to calls if than i see or drive by, this is an industry standard you see another police officer on the stop. make sure everything is okay. that's not a formal request of assistance. but that is something that is standing practice most if not all of us do.

we north asking them to do foot beats or narcotics they do traffic and general crime enforce am they violate ability to do this. we nor do we plan to engage in them if it gets complicated that might be the issue. now it is not, it is simple. >> the national guard >> no national guard have analysts at work. . partnerships basically when we hope to get out is focus in our city. their jurisdiction is multiple counties in northern california and they do analytical work.

they have been attacked i was curious. urban al quellet retired officers to the radio. is that from there as well. >> no, urban alchemy we have a good working relationship a lot of communication. most if in the all of the deployment is in -- in terms whf we are talking about in the tenderloin.

>> regular communication with leadership. they don't have radios. and we worked through what issue we need to work through. they are not police officers they don't act as police officers they are security when they do well is they monitor the sidewalks and keep people move thering are no police radios. >> an emergency situation they are like they don't have other lines they call 911. >> that's correct. >> all right. thank you, chief >> thank you. commissioner walker? thank you. thank you for answering all our questions. i think there is a lot of concern from everyone about the issues. this we have been reading b.. one of the issues i have been working on that relates to a lot of the issues is -- working with

you and chief lazar. and the folks in the department around the patrol specials it has been a collaboration with private security. may be something we talk about the requirements. all of the folks work nothing frontlines the goal is to -- really reenforce community policing. whatever works with our limited staff. you know the priorities of responding to urgent calls. but it is -- to the issue of the marina incident with -- unhoused folks. there hen a lot of call in previously from community around issues involving folks tleszs of

violence. the groups and ambas dovers this is an opportunity in discussions to coordinate and get clear about when people are doing and how to respond. i think that oftentimes it is the police have been asked not to respond to, around the homeless. it is time to like -- all of our departments in the castro we honor the folks in the castro. use that as an example. take advantage of the time and

the profile cases to coordinate better. i want to engage. i think this is a reason why we are doing this. and talking about it. you know there is a lot to learn and advance in this time. so, >> thank you. commissioner. >> thank you. a follow up. the chp did not coordinate with tenderloin or southern station? because they are oust afternoonsing to their superiors and all that >> no they do. i mentioned captain chan they do coordinate. and how do they coordinate >> community daily base you. day one.

because we want people to be familiar with each other. assistant chief lazar and commander ing and the commander of the tenderloin. to make sure everybody knew each other and what they were doing in our city they have communication with them and captains and southern, southern is not a big part. to begin with. but there is communications. that's what i mentioned earlier yoochl i'm sorry i didn't pick up. i mean i know the governor is involved in this but wh would it be better if -- the chp doing partos allow san francisco police to sends more police in the tenderloin. scientist it true san francisco

police are more familiar with what is going on down there? and as you are better, wear, i would say a pluthera of calls for service and those pluthera calls take -- the -- ability to have a strong police presence in the tenderloin away from it. so -- as an example. i was on a ride along on friday night. and there was an attempted suicide required officeros swing shift. at the same time a domestic violence incidents going on. even though was increased number of police i was happy to see. because the tuts incidents and domestic violence the result

there were 2 police in the station and one out. now -- i don't know -- in that ts what the chp would do. and i then and there if there was another critical incident you bring in police from other stations. but -- it seems to me. that it would be better to have more sfpd in the tenderloin and the chp covering the outer stations because -- san francisco has a -- has the expertise what is going on there. the chp officers have no expertise in this. and i upon bed that there is other hours at work in sacramento. but realist really would it be a better use of resources to put the chp in a quieter area so

that more san francisco police concentrate in the tenderloin. what i saw on friday night no attempt to break up open market drug dealing because the san francisco police would be increased presence was stretched. unless you called in an outside police, there was no ability in the tenderloin station to deal with it. but -- it would have been better if we could had more police there and the chp somewhere else. you may not have control meant orders of governor doing this, which with all the -- we have to understands our places in the

world. but you get my point that -- i'm not asking to you -- be insubordinate in when is going i believe tell be fwort have police in the tenderloin and chp out lying areas that are quieter and dealing with calls to service so that upon the sfpd can concentrate. on the calls to service there were 3 calls the officers knew people. many are dealing with -- you know many have serious mental health issues. and the police the police know them. and they recognize the address. they recognize the person example to have more san francisco police down dealing with that, and paired up with

people in the tenderloin for years is a better use of resources than what the governoror due respect, has in minds. and i don't want to sound insubordinate. but i believe and i'm not alone this it that , it is a better use of resource if it is state wants to help, you are welcome, but help out in out lying yours to increase the police presence with officers familiar with the area that are familiar with the residents of the area. and anyway. that's i allow to you comment. >> i'm sorry >> it is we are getting that question from members of the public as limp i will say is that for the first point is chp is doing traffic. if they deserve criminal activity they will enforce but

not answering calls to service. i will say there is another part to this for us to make sure thattil say so the public can hear. when we go to a domestic violence call. we have expensive policy the commission as including a manual and those things we expect them to be done weapon what the commission dictated and passed. chp does not work on sfpd-dgo's that is in the when they dochlt i don't know of any jurisdiction the chp has communal policing. where they do. they do when they do traffic is when they dom police officer they make rests for any crime in the penal or vehicle code violation. they don't general low i don't know of a city where they responded to calls for service

like that like what you are describing. other thing is this. you have been to the tenderloin a lot on foot and what i see when i'm out there. all hours of the day or night. it requires a consistent police presence and consistent police presence and that is not enough sometimes. you know we get the complaints of narcotics deal and go over and the dealers disappear and go down you know what they do. >> and the presence does help. you know we have been working with our city and county park rangers. and just having the park rangers in uniform compliment and we are able to hold more grounds that way. presence does help and the tenderloin one things we want to do is disrupt the narcotic's dealing. to keep them -- from leaving

they take over a block and deal drugs and that presence helps disrupt that for that purpose i would i believe that it is a viable and good strong have focusing on areas where they are occurring. if we do operations or sfpd deploy am you name the street we are not on the next block, that's y where they go. the more coverage the more we disrupt. can be effective. i would like to see this sustained so we have presence out there. and that's not to say we upon don't need more officers in other partings of the city but they are north answering calls for service. i think for what they do it is good to have them in that area.

searchth street was the quietest and it was a joy and dloit to see 7th street. i got a question on the chp. i wander if they have ideas -- cracking down on stunt driving. deploy width police department >> we do work with them on the driving. if they are out that is when they do traffic enforce am. they have not hesitateed help when than i are called to do

this. we requested their helicopters. the coordination with chp and the stunt driving if we disrupt or prevent stunt driving in the city and get a hold of c ph and get on the freeways. oftentimes they are there waiting on them. they let us know when people are manage in the city there is cordination on that. if we get deploy am in san francisco and they are working and no doubt they would not be happy to help >> and next question is regarding the i guess look at over all crime report city wide it dropped. i don't want to say 10% but it is close to 8-9%. any thoughts on this?

>> some of the areas we made the most grounds year to date we are in the first quarter of the year but you know our property crimes where we made significant reductions in terms of percentage. violent crime we are teetering on up homicides and robberies. property crimes drive our crime numbers we are work heard and increase capable there this is driving most of that reduction in property crime. thank you very much, chief. >> thank you. why vice president oberstone. >> thank you, president. 2 quick follow ups for me in response to question from commissioner benedicto the department does not have and does in the plan to draft an mou between itself and chp.

>> for when we are doing here, no. >> my question was just why that is in we had the hearing on the fbi task force. mou, and you know that -- seemed to be necessary to carry out -- those joint operations. i understand this is different in ways. it seems to present the possibilities of you know you pointed out the department working with chp on an operation and wondering the thought process on not stake an mou. >> right now this is fairly simple. they are doing traffic enforcement. commissioner asked about stunt driving. if this -- turns out to be a

permanent thing and gets i tonight see where an m oushgs ou is necessary.

traffic enforcement is had they do they are peace officers so if than i see general crime they can do that the presence in this area and allowing them to do what they do seems like a good confucianism we are not asking them to handle calls for service or be a part of our plain clothes unit and buy narcotics. do what you do but in this area. and we do i do think that can serve to disrupt the behavior. >> and do you view the traffic enforce am work as related our

narcotic's disruption work? >> i think it could be. >> you know its people do transport narcotics in vehicles and that is -- it is the disruption. it is the when we are out well and present, we have issues with the complaintses of people taking over blocks. we write tickets or walk the foot beat the presence helps the natural fit do what they do and do it in this area. >> and i it does disrupt. i believe it does disrupt. >> right >> okay. i mean the reason i asked that is i think more law enforcement resources are welcomed at a time of under staffing. i'm a bit troubled by idea this

commission had i year process and almost the finish line enokaying a policy and sounds like chp is doing traffic enforcement >> that is my concern with that. >> i mean i want to make sure i'm clear on that. because -- have not asked to do pretext stops just general traffic enforcement. and they know of our policy that is meet and confir. they when they are trying to do in the city. the commissioners mouth and said in the press conference we are here to support this city. that is respecting the values of the police department.

they don't operate under our yes or no orders. they want to be a passport and help you to. we had discussions about pretext stops and then and there policy is mote and defer and will be adopted soon. the disruption and we have not asked nor expect them to go out and do pretext stop we expect them to do traffic enforcement and be an inference in the your and help disrupt activity. when we put our solos in the tenderloin they are out there being visibility and helping disrupt activity. i don't think this commission will be disappointed.

we had discussions. one last of question i forgot to ask about killing of banko brown. do we know if the security guard had any prior criminal record? i don't know and if i did i being not release. i don't know yoochl thank you. >> sergeant. >> members who does like to comment regarding line item 50 chief's report approach the podium. >> well is mow public comment. >> 6. director's report discussion and report on activities and announcements. discussion limited to determining to calendar issueings raised to a future meeting director henderson. >> thank you. there are currently 270 pending

case and the agency of dpa. all of the stats about cases is available online in case folking want to know details. of them, we have 26 case. not about exactly 26 cases investigations taken long are than 9 months. those 19 are told. we have pending cases with the mission there are 7 and pending with the chief we're waiting determinations there are 83. weekly trends this is week the highest allegation made was 21% of allegations involved an officer behavioring or speak inappropriate low with the public. highest allegation by precinct

in central this week. and there were 7 of those allegations made. the full break down to 100% and track friday week to week is available on the website. in terms of the updates. last week commissioner benedicto asked about the join develop tracker. that's what you were asking about title for the program is. and that's the program so we are all on the same page sfpd log in officers to see and track what is happen with those case. we had already committed a proposal to coit for funding for that project and so we are waiting to find out if coit will provide fund and if than i are approved manage we can kicked to work that has been done. fairly of quickly. as a subelement. and i believe we could get it

done in less than 4 months or about 4 mons this is an opportunity if there are funds available. this is an opportunity if there are funding available. to between this work but this is with the status is for now. and in terms of out reach, there are a couple things, invited the public to provide feedback on policy revisions if there are 3 of those policy theory open and pending they are on critical incidents response team number one. two. foot pursuit and three sfpd training plans. that is available now and information on how to provide feedback on the policies can be

found both on our twitter page and on our website. in terms of the audit there is a lot on audit. there is a presentation today on auditsil not dwell on anything beyond the 3 updates. one. dpa and controller's following up with p d on the status of open recommendations. from the 2020 use of force audit. witness we issued an audit recommendations get made and regular low report. on what the status of those things are as well in case folks tram them online or through the commission. it hen this was our first audit we did. i don't know fimentioned won an aword the national night award. y 30 months since this report

was issued. we won it gwen on a different odd and i i will mention it later. so we know the quality and status of these audits. 37 recommend eggs made in that report i want to be specific we have the information. of those 37 made 10 of them are considered open. after the last review i will giveut updates as they go o. the open recommendation that have not still remain open in terms of the award wing analysis on use of force data involve the training division review for use force to improve train anding sfpd making use of force data available on the city open data portal. those are things we are waiting to see. >> today, dph issued a key

report part of our misconduct audit this . is on sfpd handling of officer develop and discuss sfpd use of holding discipline and timeliness of chief hearings. we talked about them when i give my statistic but this support does a deep are dive in explaining the practice. prior to issuing that report we provide a draft to pd to provide an opportunity to comment on the report and bring to our attention errors we were told they did not disprut the hospital we move forward.

there is another presentation on audit fist you have questions we will see what we have on the agenda. tonight and the closed session there is nothing in closed session and the audience today is senior investigator candice carpenter in case issues come up in the meet and present is steve our head audit will present tonight. who is our director of policy. and sarah hawkins chief of staff. is here. this evening. if there are questions about dpa contact us online. and contact dpa415-241-upon

7711. that concludes my report. >> ir was interested in reading the report you dropped today. i look forward to that also the solutions to chief hearing backlog. i forgot to ask but that as well. i know we asked for an update on where we are in making progress. since it has gone down it was 99 or 98. it has gone down. >>

>> has gone down in case of the chief. do you think that is because things are asking an affect we talked about in the commission or is it -- is it a fluke? is it going down. why? an award wing audit and the dive uncovering the issues that have not been addressed and i'm sure that is why it has gone down. >> funding for a trophy case. >> 2 time award winning.

>> we have made changes and also the attorneys have been working hard to and the deputy chief. get the backlog down we got people become to work that helps when they have cases on their assignment queue. that's there has been effort to -- change things and make it go downful the reason of the audit once we have the problem defined we can move forward making a denned and hopefully the audit does that. that is the real yoochl i'm excited. you provide a great work product

the data you provide is solid. >> award winning. >> yes. >> i just -- more members that would like to comment regarding item 6 the director's report approach the podium. >> there is no public comment wrochl 7, commission report discussion and possible action limited to a description of activities and announcements and discussions encounter issues raised the president's report. commission and announce ams and scheduling identified for consideration of future meeting. commissioner benedicto >> thank you. a number of things a couple events commissioner walk and i attended. a brunch for the surviving families firefighter national

crime victim week occurred since the commission last met. it was an honor to spends time with the families and victims of violent crime specials honor them. mrs. brown was there and a great event. last week we commemorated den i remember day to raise awareness for victims of sexual assault on the special victim's unit as well. and wrong size. and in terms of upon events left night was memorial honored the 101 officers that have die in the line of duty since founding and commissioner walk and i attendsd that and attended boy families of 13 of the officers

that had fallen. the body camera group is meeting tomorrow we will added meetings to allow for discussion and conversation itch want to thank the work group members. barely get people to come this working group asked for more meeting its is good to see the anticipation of the body camera working group n. next week or 2dgo2.1 will return we are looking forward to passed after it was pulld and changes made with the department. this it is all from my report. >> thank you. >> thank you. yes , i attended last evening the memory yell for fallen heros. it is moving and there is a wall

in the third street headquarters honoring those who have lost lives serving san francisco. it is very moving the families are all there. who never forget and it is a good recommitment to being there and make sure the folks know they are not alone. i also. to show there is a coin they raising money to continue to dot events. happy to give information to our secretary so he can make it available. it says san francisco police memorial electron gone but not forgotten fallen heros. impacting. and also it is lunch for the folk who is have been killed with gun violence. many of the case remain unsolved so00ue know i think it is

important we look at a had a conversation with some of the folk in homicide about when we discussed here brought by the public. folk who is come and are hope thatting we are look at their cases that have in the been solved. looking at different solutions for rewards to encourage the public to help us solve the case. we do when we can to make sure we solve this for the families of those who lost people. >> i have been meeting on goingly with the department staff around looking at when we have in the past had partnerships with private security in the form of the patrol specials. the twhon standses out is the warner patrol in the castro

temperature is know opportunity to make that program work. to deal with the issue this is we talk about regularly of coordinating with the different front upon end departments. folks responds to mental health issue and addiction issues so receives can focus more on the sales and criminal activity. i'm excited and i think staff is, too, about this potential and using it as a tool on goingingly to help us really refurthermore and do police nothing the new way we need do in this day and age. i think we are focussed on that and i'm excite body working with the department on that. i also have been talking with i believe it is interim or acting assistant chief around getting more women recruits in the department. we mitted 3030 and it is

important we work with other women's groups in san francisco in the political arena to i often said when i'm in conversations with people. women are getting involved in making laws now we have to encourage them on help us enforce them temperature is important we have more women on the force to help with community policing and realist lift up the folks that are in the department. you know promoting and encouraging participation in -- different trainings and i'm really committed to doing what i can and appreciate the out roach we will include the commission on scientists women and san francisco women's political caucus all interested in helping us have the conversation in the public. thank you for including me, appreciate it. >> i think that's it so far.

yea. that's temperature thank you. vice president carter oberstone. >> 2 quick updates from me. last week i believe we had our first work group meeting for dto810 first amendment surveillance activities a good first meeting with great and diverse group. next meeting is scheduled for may 19th. have not scheduled them all but hope to get schedule nailed down. looking forward to that and the only other update the end of this month or the last meeting of this month. i plan to introduce a resolution to rescind department bureau orders issued. i will not belabor the points. my feeling the orders encroach on the commission's policy

making authority and illegal. so00 eye will introducing a resolution to do that later this month. >> >> this briefly i want to say, may is asian-american pacific island were month. recognize all the the members of sfpd and the city workers keeping us safe in our city. thank you very much. thank you that was in my notes. to put that. yea. put that of thank you. >> thank you for remining me i appreciate it. sergeant? mechanic who is would like to comment on item 7 commission reports approach the podium. there is no public comment. >> item 8. dpa presentation audit of department communication for biace discussion.

audit. >> award winning team. >> good evening. commissioners, chief scott and members of public i'm steve. the director of audits department of police accountability. tonight i will present on the key issue report on sfpd monitor

of department of communication for bias. we issued this on march 20 of 23. this report is part of our audit of sfpd handling of officer misconduct. >> can you speak in the mic it is difficult hearing you because of the event outside. ? sure >> thank you. the second key issue report part of our audit the first on the sfpd misconduct and discipline presented become in december of 2022. the purpose of the key issue reports to bring to the attention of the police commission come sfpd issues needing attention tow correct of action can occur before our full audit report is issued. >> so. a quick over view of the report object and i have why we do it charter requires audit sfpd handling of officer misconduct part of this how sfpd handles

allegation of officer bias. sfpd communication audits part of efforts to addresses practice reflect biechls internal, faris conducts quarter low audits of communication devices and police department policy establish suggest internal affairs unit order 18-02 this exists because of the and d. justice recommendation in 2016 the doj found the police department did not conduct audits following incident in 2012 and 15 officers used bias language and texts as a matter of discussion. the california department of justice cited 18-0 to electronic communications in finding the police department to be in compliance with the united states d. justices recommendation. >> high level this report contains 4, i will discuss all 4 tonight. the issue one concerns the

efficiency and effectiveness of monitor processes. issue 2-4 concern compliance with 1802 compliance for maintenance and reporting. >> on this slide we will decide issue one. we found the vast major are you false positives based on the sfpd bias communication reports published 19-21. the image is from common one on page 2 of the report. the machine torprocess detect bias word on accounts. due to limitations internal affair personal need to manualy review every hit. e mails are vast majority of hits. the police department stated the monitor system causes false

positives it flags e mails with bias words in a large are word if the word is fun the system send e mails with the word funeral for review. police department said other false positives e mails to all members daily crime sum row and press clippings. the e mails are police department purpose the communication generated false positives word on the bias word list. risk to the police departments false positives create work for investigators and take time away from other assignments. many false positives cause investigator to be desensitized to the hits, letter fatigue >> >> issues 2 and 3 concern 1802 to ensurety program is current. requires the police department review the bias word list and

lives cell phone numbers in the monitor program. for issue two the police department provide memos from may 2019, 2020 and august of 21 to evidence update to the bias word lists the police department does not have evidence with reviews periods 2019 and 2021. police department had not updated the list in i year. police department stated considers each he a partial review of the list without tracking the police department may be unable to show it removed words that cause false positives and add new words everword was quarterly. minot ensurem pleaness of

audits. there were quarter low reports they did not include detateings on disciplinary out come on investigations resulting from monitor. >> without complete recording stake holders and command staff and members and the public might not make informed decisions about the effectiveness of the department's efforts. >> caution to remain in compliance. the police department >> the issues raised may hospital police department

achieve the goals of the unit order 1802 and fulfill the policy requirements. pacific low addressing the issues may help the police department make monitor of communication more efficient and effective. and may hospital police department ensure current and complete and the police department report accurating information to the public and yourself. lastly i will discuss next steps as paul mentioned, there is one report issue part of the audit this . report does discuss police department handling of officer discipline and covers topics use of [inaudible] and timeliness of hearings. today we provided you with a copy of this report. and we are looking forward to issuing it public low on our website by monday at the latest. said full report combine the

information and contain new analysis and -- touch on topics bias policy and the police department's discipline case management system. >> full report provide the department and commission with recommendations to address audit findings. that concludes my presentation i used my 10 minutes. you >> have 2. >> happy to answer questions about the work >> i have a couple. first great job. i appreciate the executive summary. when you say i will work back. you said that full audit will be released and so the full audit going incorporate this and one we will receive we received today? >> correct. >> will there be another audit

that will also be in there or those other 2 will number the full audit >> the information this we discussed last year with public reporting. and contain the information on the electronic monitor and the information on discipline. that you received today. as well as a couple other aspects of the handling of complaints and there will be 2 new sections we will move forward including those in the final report. they will include our analysis of of the department bias policy and the analysis and findings relating to the departments misconduct case management system. i will go become to the beginning. on page -- 3 or 4. you mentioned that the false positive. when is your solution to issue

number one? do you have a recommendation or am i ruining the surprise. >> full report will have specific recommendations some areas for consideration reviewing controls over monitor motor forms. we pointed out things with the e mail system looking in the department. the way the department presents than i will to be over inclusive we don't think about the backside. the machine hours that go to reviewing each department to

show compliance. the incomes astounding in the consent calendar today the numbers goes from -- 22 or >> it is my understanding every offer issue cell phones? is this right? >> as far as i know. >> chief. >> that is correct. why are is not sfpd ensure the department issue cell phones enroll in the this monitor system and -- how many are not? do we have a percentage number? >> can that weres we don't have a percentage number don't have that informing. when we were told. the policy itself requires the

risk management office and d. technology to meet to make sure this cell phone list is updated. those meetings were not occurring. what was happening the vender told us they were taking it on themselves to enrole in the monitoring program than i were not required to do so. vender not the department? >> okay. we don't know yet meetings stopped helping. >> why? and why the meetings which coordinate or ensure the department issued cell phonesir enroll in the this monitor system. i did the none the vender was dog it on their own. cell phoneers registered to the system that's how we get the data we with look further into this. my understanding every cell

phone has the admonition when you log on and subject to monitoring. you know. we were told ay belief this happened automatically upon procurement of phone the vendor said than i took it upon themselves to enroll them in the system and would do that after an order and would check for any member this is did not have the service a few times a year. 10ing nog did not receive confirmation when it was enrolling the devices no other checks to ensure it was enrolling the cell phones in the monitor system. >> okay that is something we can look into and let us know. >> definitely. >> okay and i think it would be helpful because the full odd sit so far away would be helpful to have solutions or suggestions in terms of some of the issues you

raised so we can if there is solutions we can implement as a body. >> i'm ruining commissioner benedicto surprise. >> one thing in page 5 is another consideration. might be excluding e mails from monitoring the press e mail address or the address that sends out daily crime summaries. that might be a way to reduce that number. >> thank you for your presentation i appreciate it. >> commissioner benedicto. >> thank you for the clarity of the report. so -- i'm looking forward to this is what president was saying as the audit on dpa i met about this. audit last month. i'm excited to see this come before the commission.

i'm pleased our 2 time award winner did interim reports we get them before the learning audits it is upon the commission to not wait for the full reports to take action and take action when we see the issues, rise. and think when i stall this audit, it seemed positive in, let of the issues felt fixable with fault positives or updating the cell phone list i wanted roll up sleeves and make sure we are acting on these so that some of the gray and yellow boxes deserve a green check mark are rare we get to achieve those. and i feel like -- that this is a rare case where long experience of doing document reviews come in handy there are a lot of ways that law firmings use to weed out false positive

and filter out unnecessary types of messages looking for the to end lending this expertise. i spoke to department of policy and affairs department. and also and we will convene a fwrup that will tackle the issues that will include dpa and director. no one yes. no one kwu were updated and someone from the technology division a lot are fixes and work on getting them looked into which i think they are solvable and there is doable and not worth wath looking forward to doing that andment aring back on this audit yoochl great. thank you for that update it is helpful. in terms of giving us an idea of

identified the problem we can turn out the solutions and get them fixed. vice president carter oberstone? >> thank you, president elias and thank you director and congratulations on the award. in the report you mentioned that the reporting that the department is dpoog for the commission is incomplete. can you provide more on what is miss thanksgiving should be there? >> sure. the policy that governs the program has a different reporting requirement in it. one of the requirement system quarter low reports. we found the quarter low reports the police department issued does not include the total initial hit and a number determine to be potential low bias. the quarter low reports don't include the disciplinary out come of the investigations result from this monitoring.

and in addition, there is a requirement in the policy for year end reports. i don't believe we does not find them that were presented were issued. do you know why the reports don't include the disposition of disciplinary cases. the -- cases that have gone to develop. this is something we can fix. often are -- not in the same quarter that the >> reporter:ed for it is reported for the quarter. later if there is develop there is a way we have not done it. we can report if there is develop. the commission asked before in

public session about the case ruin the discipline. there has not been that in the report we agree. we have to make sure that we clearly dliniate these were prior reports. the dispositions are initiated from. thanks. some of the, that you point out with over inclusivity seem to someone with no technology expertise not that hard to fix like about the e mail sent out regarding the january 6 insursxekz how that gent ritted e mails. i think you say eccruding e mails.

are updated appropriately periodically. i saw on the report if you discovered internal memos requesting the list updated and also you said that may be the list is not being updated as it should being can you clarify. we were provided with memos that evidences the word list. 3 we received one in may of 2019. the second in may 2020 and the third in august of 2021. department did nohave other memos that evidences the bias

word list. the may 2020 memo that we reviewed stated the police department had not updated the bias word list in a year. likely the department did not review during that period. manage this needs to be updated a lot. i'm thinking you know you know do change over time. don't change. part of the audit we search how fast language changes. it changes all the time in our interviews with staff we were told that the words are evolving and meanings change and even word that a word can have double

meaning. >> thank you. the questions are difficult to answer in terms of execution. that's yu are not getting the execution i'm happy to answer the execution answers relate to audit stuff the issue is a lot of those are baked in the recommendations on the factual evidence from the audit. you will get the direction but not the complete do this. evidence based methodology to the commission. so we know exactly what the problem is and what some of the general recommendations could be. it is relevant we talk about

budget and the police department time and over time had -- even the simple things and all you have commented on in terms of some of the false 99.7% i waste of time. 3, 809. false reports i % is accurate is part of the program temperature is a glaring opportunity to work more effectively. it saves dollars and officer time to do things. and if we are able to now we continue. we know what the problem is. if we incorporate more heavy monitor system it frees update time and the department's budget to focus on things that could

working rather than a process not neileding very much to the department or public >> i'm glad i thank commissioner benedicto on create thanksgiving group to tax emthe member and audit results you provide today is important it it is neutral committee second prong would be the working grouper group that the commissioner is putting together to address with the department. the audits based on real things happening in our department. i know sometimes say, you know not yielding result and all that. the purpose is we should not be doing and saying these things on

department advice. every time we hear. thereupon is we never -- i hope this it is an effective tool for us to do that. and the other thing it is -- i will save that for later.

the inning tifs of having false positives the down sides of having false positives how do we than does not mean the system is has deterrence value the fact that people know that they are being watch side causing them to behave better on the department phone and that's why the percentage of hits gone down. and we didn't evaluate. the audit is focus on effectiveness of the program as exists. great. thank you. wroo thank you. sergeant? >> members that would like to comment regarding item 8 approach the podium. there is no public comment.

item 9 discussion to approve the department general order 2.02 alcohol use by members for the d. to use in meet and conferring with the bargaining units required by law. did not recognize you. chief scott and members of public with me the expert acting commander robert yi k and jessica twang. >> welcome we will had a chance to rerue the dgo i will open up for commissioner

questions. and then we will take it from there. vice president carter oberstone. >> thank you, president elias. i had a question. have you consumed alcohol, under the influence or impaired by alcohol than i trigger different things. if you are under the influence that triggers a test if you are imper sed that triggers an investigation. standards different. >> we separated the definitions are you talking about in the

definition section. why no to be clear so -- at the top of page 3. when suspicion under the influence they get tested. under the spluns of under the influence could be not below imam paired. could be you had like a sip of beer. but not impaired butt thing this trigers the investigation is you are impaired. we could use -- both words with that under this section.

for the reason for the alcohol test. we careful low chose the word under the influence because -- that's the standards. if you are under the influence. that's not acceptable. therefore we would subject to you an alcohol test. right. okay. one other aspect of the policy. about going from off duty to on duty status. so that is under the policy section subsection g, 3g on page 2. >> this is not setting aside the emergency activation. your normal shift not off if you

are impaired. and -- so -- this also seemed like a not an obvious way. not an obvious accomplice to draught line. so. if you have consumed alcohol off duty. but you are not impaired you can account have a. but if you are on duty and you consume an aim of alcohol that does not impair you that would violate the policy. 2 people consumed the same amount alcohol but one happened do it before they activated on. and then one would, you could have 2 people that are have the same bac level. one would have violated and the other would not because of a technicality had their shift helped to start. i could have this wrong that

does not make sense to me. >> yea. i will clarify. before that, we had a lot of discussions about your first question and why we chose certain words and those were with the doctors i want to give her a chance to respond, >> welcome, doctor. >> the throw different word usage is can be confusing that is why we had a big discussion about temperature i think the intent of our conclusion of our conversation and inteblt of the baptist we don't want any drug use for for members on duty.

and over this.02 limit is when we consider we see the general population having impair am >> that is helpful. so just to give my hype thetical in a different way. imagine the same person and same alcohol metabolism and shift starts at 9 a.m. if one day they

have half a beer at 8. . 59 a.m. and start work that is permissible. they are in the impaired. if they had this same bore at 9. . where are 1 a.m. they would violate the policy they consumed on the job this is a weird line to draw. you have the person who is one violated the policy and the other has not. why don't we define a bac level that is okay or not okay rather than or do we do that? we do. >> okay. great. the first request why do we draw the line that way.

what du want me to ask again? >> i should have not asked i double question. my question about the hypothetical someone drank half a year at 8:59 a.m. they are not in violation if someone did 2 minutes later after their shift starts they will be in violation of the policy. and i guess i'm just why do we draw the line in that way. i don't have a good response >> part of the language we had to go through the mou. the existing mou and conflict and if you go to the current mo

nushgs accomplice now. i don't thank you language changed on page 22 a section impairment and all this. we use the language the city agreed to and we felt revised that we needed to use the language the city had agreed to on this issue. you look at the mou the city has with the association this language is almost word for word. i wanted a shot to answer, too. >> so, there were comp populations.

there were comppations together we honored the language and i think that come become by the definition. we went in with the spirit it is in the okay to be drunk or under the influence at work. and i think this we did a good job of trying to cover. using the language in this this makes sense the question about g, intent is for off duty members to give guidance. not about the on duty members. we don't want someone it is fine to drink alcohol off duty. it is legal and we don't control your life outside of work. the per of this is that if your at a county fair and you had a couple bill and see a petty

violation. that does help the issue arises not in i different issue when you know your shift is starting and you drink before knowing your shift will start. if our hands are tied because of the need to conform this policy to the m oshg u, i understand this. >> i want to add to your hypothetical where you are on duty this is not okay. we want to capture that in this also. go ahead. >>y continued is in the okay my upon point is we are treating 2 people in i dent cal positions different low. than i other same level of impaired but one will have been

said to violate and the other not violate it. and this was just my only point there. but i think the claire a recollection. >> my explanation was not clear. g is for off doubt to give guidance when to activist. i could be at the county fair and not consumed and take action i can earnact police powerhouse at this mobile home. on duty no possession of consumption of alcohol. ? your situation off duty officer consumed alcohol and came back

we do have than i would be subject to a drug test we will capture that population if it ever happens or that situation. the language is in the mou you can strict in when you require? >> objective symptoms present you smell alcohol this is a factor. but we are act on these things we abide by the agreement the city made. what does not make sense to have a policy we can't act on we are bounds by mou that says here are

the things you act on and here is how you act. needed the language to be consistent. lead to more testing per mo xushgs this policy. thank you. you know i think to me it makes sense. you don't want people inviting on duty xu have control and see temperature i think that using impairment and influence the impair am concept is really important as folk who is are working along side officers because it is a -- noticeable -- set of situations rather than a

factual test result. and it leads to doing the actual influence testing. it makes sense to me and i don't know if it would be i mean clearly the impairment qualification applies when they in of if they walk in the door imper se that happened is a violation. so -- you know i don't know if you can tell people when to do when they are off duty. especially if not impairing them. more confusing if you try to say. you can't do it for a half-hour ahead of time. or i think this covers everything and explains the situation. the witnesses as well as the person themselves. i think it make sense to me.

commissioner byrne. thank you. getting become to vice president carter oberstone. an receive drink the night before and guess to work in the morning. this is what you want to discourage they'll in in come clear blow more than.where are 2. went 02 is one drink or less. it is a very 02 a rigid standard. if they come in hung over i will blow more than where are 2 anyway. i understand the irony of vice president carty oberstone's hypo.

i think the inupon tent of discouraging binge drinking the night before i person doeses go on duty is important the where are 2 is a nice deterrent. >> we tried to capture in footwork in the same section. not consume off duty before their issue signment the duty to perform duty is impaired. impaired standards inspected of under the influence and define it hoping we capture that and we left alcohol test toing chief's point. >> can i get a motion and sergeant >> move to approve. >> second >> and attach our resolution 2330 labor negotiations. >> members that would like to meant regarding item 9 approach.

in public comment. commissioner walker >> yes >> commissioner benedicto >> yes. >> commissioner know byrne >> yes >> vice president oberstone >> yes. >> i'm sorry commissioner yee yoochl yes. >> and vice president oberstone >> yes and president elias. >> yes. thank you for the subject matter expert. >> stick around. nvenlgs item 10 discussion to approve general order 2.03 use of into being cants or drugs and confirming the bargain units required by law discussion and possible okay. y will hope it up. vice president? >> [laughter]. thank you. president. no hypos.

i guess my one area of concern and men can you aswaj is this concern is under definitions b how impairment is defined here substance result in mental or physical state alter in the a way may diminish their ability to carry out the job. i'm a little corn concern third degree would cover officers taking prescription medication that is legitimate if an officer takes medication that could give them a headache or this language is brud. your doctor prescribes you something and that something has potential side affects that may diminish ability to do the job that seems like a vague and standard implicate officers doing something legitimate. >> yea. this was also that's thank you.

this it is that was something we did discuss for in many sessions for i long time temperature is heard to take into consideration prescribed medications to members they are supposed to and being imper se them. so -- i think i will go ahead and defer to the doctor, for our members that are taking medication this is miimper se their ability to perform duties they have to report that to the doctor. i will let her speak to that. >> we had this discussionism think the primary intent of this order is to bar individuals from using drugs but of course we have any into being cants this could cause impairment fall under this. and in our daily practice, i would say if a member does have you know -- a sensation or

witness on the job they have a valid prescription. they will we don't they are under favor physician oui take into consideration so there would not be a violation. we put the may word in because oui want members to be more forth coming and self report if than i feel that they may be impaired. we want top have a process in accomplice so or the option to have a process in accomplice if a member is unsure about their status while take egg drug they can transport to us. and does not i don't think it it is necessary low to have like a disciplinary action if they are taking a prescribed medication under the direction of a physician. >> why not snail in the policy. now that person would not be

wiggle room they would need to be investigated under this policy if there is a suspicion they were impaired. you know i imagine mag you know i will spare everyone the hypos imagine things where you get side affects sometimes when you tick a drug. sometimes they are more severe than others. some days you meet the thresh sxhoeld some days not and don't take into consideration for the fact that folk vs to take drugs for medical purpose and i guess i'm understand what the sentiment is. but i don't see that necessary low reflected in the policy. i can stop or comment >> please. chief. did you want to answer.

on b? yes. >> and i don't want to repeat hat doctor said is gets to the issue of when we are of trying to encourage if there are side affects your ability to be effective. dru drowsy. get home. we have it allow female make their own informed decision about whether that is the case. we have been on you know -- you know niquil makes me sleepy temperature is my responsibility to self report but we are trying to create and get the dbo, proved that discourages that.

we go out and get an a traffic accident ownership another ins debt and imper sed that is liability. prescriptions medicines a lot have to take it a lot have side affects but we want to encourage to people not come to work if the side affects affect their impair export sometimes we don't know. these are things we -- don't know what medication people are on. woo have to have personal responsibility it encourage people to do this. in somebody traffic collision and you know -- we find out their to prescriptions and this impacted that decision. we would not know unless the person report today to the doctor we can't ask those protected questions. we have to have personal

responsible. this is the spirit of this. >> a tough situation but we consulted with the doctor and respect people's privacy we don't have the ability to pry into. it it is a legitimate concern you take medication and too broad say it may impair you for upon discipline action we are under the standard of reasonable suspicion you are under the influence. impair. is defined for purposes of some of the sections in this dgo. not falsely accusing them of -- that men is loss of a term we will not narcotic in anything until we have suspicion.

>> i guess exit understand and i hear everything you said in the chief said but as i read this i don't think it is clear on the face of this if you get a headache from manage you have taken impaired or not. i don't know whether this may diminish your ability to perform the duties of a sworn officer. i see arguments on both sides whether a headache triggers this. there are other side affects this are pretty low grade and all the sudden you got officers you know in violation of policy for a policy this is not does in the give them guidance that. i understand chief i hear you providing incentives for people and part is you provide clarity for people up front what it mean to be impaired know in veterans they have fair notice of what

they are allowed take and not allowed to take. i at this point don't see this in this policy. >> and this was a very robust low discussed topic. when we went took us and long the way and one of the things the language of the minute and it is ability to perform the duties. so if i want prescription meds for migraines and impacts my ain't to react. and this is a very may be over simplified example but -- number fwon i see that if i'm -- partner to provide and say, hey. you are not -- reacting you know -- in the way you do. or i see sluggishness or objective symptoms that gets us

to -- a place where we investigate that. based on what is in the policy. i do think, though that is really hard to define. how i might be impacted by whatever medication i'm taking. may be different fru. if it affects your ability to react and drive, too use your equipment and those things that is noticeable enough. we are off to upon the command are stated off to another place. we did have a very healthy discussion and came up with the language and the ability because we feel like should be personal responsible. some people don't realize when their capabilities are diminished but most do.

when you feel goingy or like you can't drive or those things or you just, and most of the time. so that's when we rely on. >> it is very hard and to know what a person is experiencing in their individual body reokay to a medication we wanted use the capture the broadest audience and then we have in the policy and being be simple like what was going of no disciplinary action specifically tied to the it is investigation but want to have a purpose available.

not something that we will take officers off the street or something like that. >> commissioner walker? >> thank you. yea. in looking at this. i have a similar concern because in the one around alcohol tlshg is an established percentage. of being able to test and determine because there has been tests done to determine had machine is affected. so it is somewhat easier to go from one step to the next. i agree and if it is being used as a warning and indicator to folkos dhut is a problem and than i need to be aware that is a good thing. i also have a question i'm assuming that cannabis is part

of this? we treat at this time same way? has this changed since legalized? i'm curious. ir upon went at this time recruit am sum and i 1 asked a question, there is an in the testing -- because it shows up if you use if it is stale and there it is in the established levels or criteria. i'm curious how we are deal requesting that. >> we had a discussion about that today. and of we are having more conversations. this general order covers any suburban stances, took out a list of so many out there. we tried to make it broad as we could. to capture everything that could cause impairment and that's why weep took this out.

marijuana falls bo it. weave took out the tables with the number each laboratory has different cut off levels and screenings change depending on the drug and the will be running it. we wanted this policy to give us the most ability to look at each case on a -- case by case basis. but its -- everyone feel this is more specifics need to be added. i think this is what reasonable. >> t. it is harder there is in the established levels you test for. commissioner benedicto >> thank you.

i just i echo the concerns the getting w done and cho when you described the difference you did not use your per in sees sluggish driving and you know when this ability diminished have you concerns. feels like if we define impair am consumption and diminishes ability that would capture what you are saying opposed may. i appreciate the same language amounts and like may and in the when you take >> and appreciate what you are saying president oberstone would not be used to make sure you are

detected but not how it was written. if impairment were defy fined dhuchlgz diminishes would that how does this strike you that -- and the doctor? i see your point and much open to revisiting this giving you our thought process may help. >> this has been touchod. there are men things the previous dgo had tables >> defined a limited amount of illegal drugs the categories. weep upon know that upon new drugs whoa to come up with something broader. and for the impairment threshold

ment to just define it as whatever it is you are taking. we had safety in minds. safety for the public and in the work place. right for our coworkers. so when we wanted do here was define just imper sement. not the threshold for taking action.

so its -- when you have reasonable belief that they are impaired shall remove them from duty may diminish it feels dicey. the example the chief gave are diminished. if and it seems like. i defer to the expert in the situation where you reef leave an officer for being impaired because you saw a sign of them.

look for example them being diminished. seems the concern about the language if you saw an officer with a bottle of niquil they may be diminished. want to makure we are not capturing too much behavior. good point we are trying to capture state of being before the event. we don't want we upon don't want them tordriving before we gashing hay you are impaired. i think well is a state of being that you may if -- that -- potential you are -- abilities diminished enough and we see

this. before you -- safely or effectively perform duties. you have the car and firearm. of course >> trying it capture this moment and if not i open this up for the session. this is an effort to discourage. it your point exit don't think this is my opinion. i would -- if we instructor:the miand diminish. both commissioner and vice president, we have a definition of impairment had this may clause in it. we we punish machine the midoes not fit this. this is what the problem is;

right ? i think so, >> if we take out, may. it fits the truer definition and a, talked about illegal drug and prescriptions could impair. >> and to the point this was med we have reasonable suspicion the things that in the policy and m oushgs will give us the ability to take the appropriate investigative actions. i would -- be fine with instructor:the michanging that to diminishes. and i think that solves the problem. you sdoen need to wait if you see and think than i are diminished you think than i are you could then proceed with the policy. this is know award winning recommendation.

i grow with all of that the other vagueness there is no qualification on diminishes could be a small aim of diminishment. i think this is the other pos the miis weird it rope in people are not impaired at all. but like i would feel have you to say something like >> material low diminishes. >> okay. otherwise that was the other piece i thought would untheirly include folks that are legitimate low >> you don't always agree there is a qualifier here. i appreciate as like a lawyer you want to draft but the qualityifiy there if you are diminished you have i migraine but not the level of safely

performing duties. the way this read system if you are diminished went 000 within % this will questions of law fay as impair am. in the describe the amount >> amount of diminish am does in the raise to you not safely perform. it is indirectly everyone hates lawyers. but -- i agree no word modifies diminish but the clause when you read it as a whole if you are opinion 0001% yes thunder cluz but ability to safely perform

has not been [inaudible]. this is why i think we should give dgo's a few days we could work this out before it gets here. that is why i think you need to qualify the word diminish here. weigh in on the 2 great legal minds. if we were talking about a bac level i think you have a point if we are talking about any type of drugs where you don't have this -- you know -- cannabis or in other controlled substance we will not have a bav level you will get the toxicology report to say that -- and not a b, c level. but if this were a criminal

standard. somebody was -- under the influence from say -- cough syrup. if somebody is driving and infected but what they have taken we laya out in articulating what the behaviors are that we believe they are unable to safely perform duties if they are slow in motions or whatever or -- can't community or falling asleep. those are things we can say -- safely -- it affects the safely and effectiveness of the ability to perform duties with drugs

more so than alcohol we don't have the level this we are able to -- i think to the commissioner's point our calls to do this for a living are good ata. >> i think this standard is the spirit where we are going and like the i know these are not criminal cases, they could be that's how we have to do if somebody is under the influence of drugs. you believe they have been impaired. in is the same spirit of this.

>> did you make changes. i will make a motion to adopt the order with the ma'am of under 2.where are 302b, instructor:ing the frizz, may diminish and replacing with diminishes pursuant to the instructions and police commission resolution 23-30. can i ask the city attorney whether we can make that ma'am live or whether it is substantive? >> you can make that motion here. >> okay. >> thank you. >> i have a second. sergeant? >> member who is would like to comment on item 10. approach the podium. >> no public comment. on the motion commissioner walker. >> am yes. >> commissioner benedicto.

>> yes. why commissioner byrnes. why yes >> commissioner yoe >> yes >> vice president oberstone. >> no >> president e lies. >> yes. >> 11. discussion and action to adopt revoice general order 5.24 disengage. procedures discussion and possible action. row have lieutenant anderson who is virtual. >>llowllow, hello, welcome. >> good to see you again. >> chief. all right. i'm going to open up i'm

assuming everybody are federal if than i have questions they can ask you i want to take this opportunity dmoenld you and the working group and the program for all of your amazing work have you done. and like dpa it is an award winning program and recognized and noted boy other departments and jurisdictions through the the country row. i think this if people have not headlight opportunity to they should reach out to the lieutenant and take a preview of the training course t. is -- i'm hoping not the noir department is in the 40 hour trines but moving close to this goal >> we are getting there. before it goos i like to introduce lieutenant anderson virtual.

welcome. thank you. lieutenant. >> anyone have questions about this dgo or have you done such a spectacular job you silenced all these people. >> great let's do temperature i want to thank director policy kaywood. the c it unit. inform third degree sergeant colleen and lieutenant anderson did tremendous work. and than i should be on the same side in issues this was a great example of something collaborative and productive coming out of the relationship with sfpd and dba i comment

everyone. i heard this we found a secret policy sa van in lieutenant anderson and i'm sue tell be helpful. but -- i do want to commend everyone and i want to commend the bargaining units i was concerned when this was passed. languish in meet and cover fer it took longer but came out quickly out of need middle east and conifer. i will make a motion to adopt for final adoption department general ord5.24. >> i know in our packet we have the version that has xxx. does not have the number is this a problem? we continue is 5.24. >> it is.

>> it it is adopted when the last meet and conifer >> great. >> chief? second. >> >> thank you. i will be quick. commissioner benedicto said thanks to a lot of people that were involved and i want to thank the team this . lieutenant, this is a policy that took years. there was a lot of research and discussion and cooperation and legal discussion in terms of the case law and stuff tloik that were bruto the table and others. it was a lot of w we were in on many discussions and the entire steam including mario melinna our upon wd folk and this was a long time coming. thank you.

thank you for the support dph prosecute voided the unit. good to skr a lawyer in the room. and when we ask questions. >> no one ever. >> sometimes. >> but -- and also the city attorney for support. and dgo. thank you, everybody. >> thank you, >> good evening i sat through this long agenda to be here to thank the cat unit they are incredible police officers. they are better human beings. this was the smoothest policy press i had in my continue year dph. and i want to thank lieutenant.

lieutenant anderson the expert on disengagement. he is brilliant and an example of the 21st century popular wed with dpa, 47ly, open and helpful. and i would be remiss if i did not mention sergeant colleen. often times let's her partner shine and take the lead but she is incredible and she is really the one this forged the great rep with dpa and she is smart and thoughtful, and a wornful person as well. i can't thank them all enough for this mooth pol process and we are proud of this dgo. the first in the country on disengagement so everybody is clear it is in the depolicing this does not mean police officers don't do their job it

is a tactic to leave a scene and come become in a safer time and save counsel little lives. thank you, everyone >> thank you. >> it is because c it trained. lieutenant before we take the vote turn it over to you if you have final words other than you volunteers to be our policy writer you in? >> thank you very much. and i then and there it is a long time coming i think it 1 and a half years we have been working on this. i want to give credit to everyone involved. it was not just myself. i want to thankllow lute for his leadership on this and allowing us to run with this. and all the other sfpd members. this was not something that our unit put together we asked for opinions on this. and we think that we have a really good

policy exit think this will be a standard for a lot of police departments. sergeants. >> members that like to comments regarding item 11 approach the podium. there is no public comment. on the motion commissioner walker. >> yes. >> commissioner benedicto. >> yes. >> commissioner burn. why yes >> commissioner yee. >> yes >> vice president carter-oberstone >> yes and president elias. >> yes. 6 yes's. >> 12 discussion and action to adopt the general order peace officer right and developary investigations discussion and possible action. >> back gaevenl of me again. everyone's read it questions for

the manneder on 2.08. letting you get off easy can i get a motion >> move to approve >> second. >> members who want to comment regarding item 12 prop the podium. well is no public comment. and commissioner walker >> yes. >> commissioner benedicto. >> yes. commissioner brn. >> yes. >> vice president oberstone >> yes >> president elias. have a great evening yoochl thank you >> the left one can we thank the work and the dgo. i want to -- make sure i acknowledge that. very helpful the stuff he did with dpa. thank you, mr. bets. no worries. >> thenful discussion and

possible action adopt the general ord8.01 incident evaluation and notification discuss and possible action >> this came become yoochl good evening. president elias and vice president oberstone and commissioners. chief scott and the public i'm danielle the department chief of special prescription's bureau the executive experience for 8.01 i have our expert here with us lieutenant kim from special operation's brewo. >> can i get a motion >> move to approve yoochl second. >> >> go ahead. members like to comment. >> sorry before we have comment i fop recognize jermaine jones not here tonight for his work on this. i then and there he was instrumental in this policy in terms of making sure that

certain provisions reflected recognized best practices ammed to thank him and everyone who is here tonight. >> i want to'd a quick thing i said this left time there was a 5 year period prior to 20126 remember pass immediate a year and this commission passed 3 for final adoption tonight and 2 to bargaining. thank you to the dpa who is part of this process. our subjekel matter expert and the folks involved in getting this pol to you. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> wait, sorry. >> i want to spread the thanks that's all. [laughter]. this is again, commissioner

benedicto thank you. i want to say thanks to the folks written and directive. we had our challenge and including staffing but they have been turning the dgo's out. we have been held accountable and will get better from here even better. some of things we are put thanksgiving accomplice. i want to thank captain and the captain, sergeant and walk are embarrassly and gloria. people hor turn thanksgiving work out and get thanksgiving on electronic and i think tell get better from here. i wanted thank them as well. >> great. >> thank you. sergeant. >> members of public this like to comment on item 13 approach the podium. >> no public comment on the

motion commissioner walker. >> yes >> commissioner benedicto >> yes. >> commissioner burn. yes. >> commissioner yee >> yes >> vice president oberstone. >> yes. president elias. >> yes. 6 yes's. >> thank you yoochl 14 public comment on all matters purtaining closed session and item 15 vote whether to hold 16 in closed session. if you would like to comment prop. >> there is in comment. 15 vote on whether to have closed session including attorney/client privilege with item 16, action. >> motion to hold item 16 in closed session. >> second. >> on the motion commissioner walker. >> yes. >> commissioner benedicto >> yes. >> commissioner byrne. yes >> commissioner yoe >> yes. vice president oberstone.

>> yes. >> president elias. >> yes. >> 6 yes's we will go in closed session. clear clear

>> we are back in open session and you have a quorum. 17ful vote to disclose all or any discussions heldz in closed session and, cert attorney/client privilege. >> motion to not disclose item 16. >> second. >> member of the public when would lect to comment on item 17 prop. there is no comment. commissioner walker? >> yes. >> commissioner benedicto wrochlt yes >> commissioner byrne wrchl yes. why commissioner yoe >> yes. where vice president oberstone >> yes. >> you have 5 yes's. >> 18 adjournment.

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>> good afternoon. the meeting will come to order. welcome to the may third, 2023 meeting of budget and appropriation committee i'm supervisor connie chan joined by rafael mandelman and supervisor safai. hillary robe sxen supervisor walton our clerk is brent jalipa. i would like to thank matthew from sfgovtv for broadcasting this meeting. mr. clerk. do you have announcement. >> thank you return to the chamber reminder for those here make sure to silence electronic device the board and mittees are

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commit ment have an e mail tell be forwarded to the supervisors and lead as part of the official file. you may send written comments u.s. postal service in city hall 1 dr. carlton b. goodlett place, san francisco california, 94102. and madam chair items today will appear on the supervisor's agenda of may 9 unless otherwise stated. >> thank you very much. colleague this is item has been before us this is the third time already and we have presentation and it is has been heard. we have made the reason is because we the first time when heard we make the amendment to switch the schedule of the bond which is now the affordable housing and shelter bond will be

on march 2020-4 and the public health bond november 24. >> can i read the item before discussion. >> i have not called the item. please item one. >> [laughter]. >> a resolution adopting the city's 10 year expenditure plan for 24-2033 pursuant to the code and members of the public call 415-655-0001, access code: 2597 675 7544 ##. madam chair. >> my apol gees thank you for calling item one the 10 year capitol expenditure plan. picked up where i left off. we heard this the third time hearing this item. we switched the schedule from now is read as having the general obligation bond schedule we revised the calendar and the

schedule. we increased the drr amount to the affordable housing bond to 340 million and the public health and shelter bond to 320 million. both schedule for march and november 2024. i think that we have heard and discuss third degree item. i don't see names on the roster. with this, mr. clerk call for public comment? >> yes. and members who wish to provide comment and joining in person line up. for those remote, i suggest to make sure -- the meeting id is access code: 2597 675 7544 ##. if you have joined remotely please, press star 3. if you wish to enter the line and for those in the queue continue to wait until the system indicates you have been

unmuted. >> and if you can step uppil start your time. >> supervisors. i'm joni d10 residentsful thank you for keeping options opened for climate focused action. the additional 150 million in capacity keeps hopes alive you will stay strong in the pressures and act to address the climate crisis for future generations and vulnerable populations today. error that expanding our stock affordable housing through purchase, reuse and decarbonizing of existing building system better then and there building new structures and demolishing old structures especially the money to use buy builds not used as housing. there would not have to be a trade off increasing fireplacedable units and making

existing better. also consider many job opportunity arrive removing the infrastructure, wiring panel upgrades, landscaping, et cetera we can't build our way out of the houseings crisis. remember you are unanimous approval of the clean report recommendation to expand the existing affordable housing bond for acquisition and develop the of low carbon affordable units. look at every bond through a climate impact lens. thanks for your work around these. san francisco should lead the way, please make it so. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please. >> i'm elena district 9 we have to stop meeting like this . sent you hundreds of letters. calling your houses and putting not house office it seemed like

your houses. putting things in the packet there is sentiment for getting part of this and found 150 million dollars to rehab existing affordable housing. there was an article in the chronicle about sro's what a terrible shape a lot are in. they are not in good shape people occupy them. been this as well. it will provide more affordable housing. and get you ready for the back mud regulations and why don't you lead and show us projects we look at and say, this is how do you it. we don't continue is complicated there is the federal money. you want to be red to get federal money there will be rebates and grants.

upon finalally help. you take methane out of people's houses and you are getting lower rates of asthma. helping people burdened with health, torous the health, pulling in clean, affordable electricity. i suggest 150 million dollars you found and we have been telling shoe go for climate. take t. and make it for will existing affordable housing, i think it will not be hard to find some rehabbed. thank you. >> thank you. and before i start the next speaker with the president arrival we are a special meeting of the board of supervisors. >> good afternoon chair chan and supervisor ronen, mandelman, safai. walton and president peskin i'm charlie on behalf of chuchu i

commend you for building the long-term public investment for addressing the affordable housing needs. the city faced and enormous local funding gap bont 3 and 2.4 billion dollars per year the next 8. that is the local funding gap. to the benefitted community and industry experts the strategies this committee has been name exclude need to think outside the box to identify new strategies to fund affordable housing. bond financing is the bread and birt of funding affordable is the true strategy. most significant and consistent revenue source to phenotypes preservation of affordable housing in the city. >> we heard forecast mayor's office of housing and community

development in 2025 there is a 770 million dollars short fall in funding affordable housing projects. they are projects in all corners of our city for seniors working families. unhoused people educators and for san franciscans from low inin to low, low and moderate income. urge your support to veterans in flon get to the hard work of growing our stock of affordable house to stabilize them the displace examine lack affordability in our city. building resources to grow the share of affordable housing stock is an investment in our public product and a critical strategy in our capitol plan, thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> thank you. hearing me today. this is the 10 year capitol

expenditure program. 10 dwroers a long time i'm glad we are having this discussion now rather than later. things go by fast. they move fast. snap of a finger. if how is this going to play out. and happen tomorrow. how it will happen. if it is at all.

and you >> you are >> and the plan is we are wondering how will that happen? and it is. it will happen. so you know public safety is key. health and human services is key. all are key i'm also a person and, live. never been dead before. you know -- suddenly you will in back alive tomorrow and see how that guess. thank you. thank you.

okay good afternoon i'm here with sf [inaudible] coalition and with spiritual mentor for the delta c training program. i know we need to mental health sf and with my house i like last week i was thinking retrofitting happen and may be the billboards can promote building together sf. bay lens and -- i found through home match. if you can prosecute mote those on billboards or bus signage that will be great. thank you.

thank you for sharing your comments now and no further speakers in the chamber we have 9 members listening with 5 in the listening queue. mr. lamb unmute our caller, please. >> eileen, coalition for san francisco neighborhoods speaking on my own behalf. at april 26 meeting of budget and appropriation from the dias a statement made that all geobonds were accompliceod the ballot have a list of projects this is a misstatement. poster child for this was the earthquake safety and emergency response bond of 20 between. easter bond before the capital planning mittee. c pc staff said there would be no projects associated with -- 2020 bond as potential projects

under environmental review. staff stated there would be it is funding for specific project areas. the capital planning committee agreed and move today forward to the board with a positive recommendation. board and mayor agreed with this approach. when the bond was on the ballot in march of 2020, prop b of a blank check. some voters reluctantly support third degree blank check. i urge the staff the board and mayor not to go down this path again. geo bonds blank checks are essentially poking voters the eye. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please.

>> thank you chair hahn for your time. i'm mitch calling on behalf san francisco housing corporation. express our support for the plan [inaudible] support rbi collusion of potential [inaudible]. ballot. affordable housing bond march 24 cycle. san francisco voters [inaudible]. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. [choppy] local bond regional funding had it pass [inaudible].

all hand's on deck [inaudible]. i hope you will support the local bond for 2024. thank you. thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please. >> good upon afternoon chair chan and supervisors peter with the mission economic development agency. i'm calling to express strong support for the cam to the plan and call to the local affordable housing bond in march of 2024. and we understand that the expectation is this will not increase taxes. 340 million dollars san francisco bond for affordable housing a strong funding step toward meeting our goals of 46,000 units of affordable house to be preserved or produced by the city by 2031.

and critical to stabilize our residents, workforce and preventing further homelessness. we all know the size of the need we face. mission alone lost more than 10 thousand latinose since 2,000. and reported latino homelessness surged 55% during the pandemic. exploring the bonds together at this time makes sense. gifrnt as much as the challenge special appreciate that the resolution directs the planning committee to assess both path ways for thes 20 torcycle temperature is important this we different local bond in 2024 that way compliment the expected bond by implementing the innovative strategies needed achieve our long-term goals.

land banking. and the acquisition and preservation of existing occupied building and sro's. >> the past success passing a local and regional housing bond require a collaboration and metais happy to join you in working together to make this happen. thank you. thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please. i'm michael i'm the afill with san francisco climate emergency coalition the federal gentleman shown commitment to the climate as a priority by setting up 2 bags of amonget infrastructure bill and the ira. the states will administer. san francisco has shown their commitment with zero dollars. i like to see i climate bond and see this go to conversation that will be the first step for

people in windows. solar. the community and silver upgrade electric service. ev charging at the curve and for people who are renters representative 70% of san francisco. d. environment convene on month lie base all heads to the city of san francisco working on this issue to talk about had they are doing fiscally and what how they will require funds to move forward, thank you. >> mr. lamb do you have speakers? hello. i'm sarah greenwad [inaudible]. [inaudible]. want to thank you, supervisors for the work and consideration you give to the schedule. i think we need to get all of the city working to implement

our climate and housing goal and you should use the new funds to include in the rehab of retrofit of existing housing to all electric power. this will put people to work. it will actual loam reduce the emissions where you see with the new housing, which is grit. has to be built all electric according to the ordinance. that keeps us from [inaudible]. it does not make emissions better. and thirdly, getting the methane out of the houses protects the health of children. and many residents of affordable housing this is essential. and as the previous speaker mentioned. wait for anything.

federal funding am not wait, either. step up and include this important piece in the housing bond. thank you. >> thank you. mr. lamb next speaker. good afternoon i'm zack i'm calling on behalf of young community developers building resources required for affordable housing and stabilizing on the workforce is the most important tasks the city will need. context of multiincreasing the affordable housing mandate and shortage of available funding. we near a mobile home we need a time frame and significant resources to achieve the man dachlt as many between now and

the city will decide on the 24 bond cycle it important the city keeps opening statement possibility of a local housing bond for the primary. and november general election cycles. issue of bonds the most consistent revenue service preservation of affordable housing in san francisco. voters recognize that in the capitol plan. schedule how we state wide neighborhoods. house vulnerable. house workforce and keep the next generation in the city. with our commitment to ensure successful bond we know this dependos electric uncertain support. if we don't have a strategy we may be left without resource. no bond can you can critical [inaudible] local strategies the board of supervisors adopt instead 23 housing element. what a bond [inaudible] we urge the city to pursue all strategies to ensurety city has

necessary resources to achieve the affordable housing goal. thank you for your time. thank you for your comments. mr. lamb next speaker. >> good afternoon. i'm rick. and i live in bernal heights and lived in the city for a long time. >> it is clear to me that we need affordable housing temperature is clear to me we need to address the climate that we are in the midst of. and i encourage to you combient 2 things for -- make part of the housing strategy to -- purchase -- provide how doing that is environmentally sound

and socially necessary expand the affordable housing opportunity and revitalize the downtown. public housing. reduce the green house gas e missions and the cost of utilities the people who live in those homes. so i would encourage to you make this a broad appeal for this [inaudible] to address the climate crisis and climate justice and am affordable housing. thank you. that completes our queue >> no more comment issue public

ment is closed. >> president peskin. >> thank you. chair chan and members of budget and appropriation mittee and thank you for hear thanksgiving now for the third timeivelimented put this in context, which is this is a potential stem to a march 2024. homelessness bovenld as to the public mentors, i have always believed that the best form of carbon sequestration to reuse the building this is we have. there are awfuls many, many moving piece in an affordable housing bond that are nowhere

near our deliberations. as to percentages as to types of beneficiaries and there is conversations about artist housing and about women's housing and upon ebbedless need and again a limited amount of resource. i appreciate and think that we need to look at all bonds and capitol -- funding pay as you go. through the lens of climate change. that is a conversation as we formulate a bond i acknowledge the words of supervisor ronen to the possibilities of a number 24 regional bondful i think we have time and frankly, the capitol plan can be readjusted. i thank you is the right conversation to have now relative to the order of things.

i note and had candid words with doctor coal fact. about the d. public health and concerns in different arenas that include but not limped acquisition of property for behavioral health or skilled nursing that have often not implemented timely to which this end, i think that as a matter of public policy, drilling the public health bond for those reasons actually also makes sense. so i commend this to you and in closing want to say, this when i said before. this is also one of the elements of a hopeful low successful conclusion of the recommendations from the technical advisory committee

relate to inclusionary housing that is not done this is an element to that deal. i commend this amendment and hope that you will pass it and send the capitol plan to the full board with those changes. thank you, clothes. >> this evening and before we move to our recognize the next speaker, supervisor ronen want to welcome mariposa kids after school program here. welcome to the board of supervisors and to chamber. [applause]. thank you, chair chan. appreciate that. i -- did decent on this00 automotion that was made to amend this item last week. i'm police departmented support it today. my opinions have not changed. i acknowledge there is more work to be done. and i appreciate all the conversations that are

happening. everything we need ton to make decisions how we prioritize bond in next year in march and november. ir have been excited by the climate suggestions from the activists and residents of the city. and wanting to use some of that money to -- decarbonize homes and to create higher quality public housing or sro housing. with new and improved electric appliances. so i -- i'm excite body these things. we want more then and there we pay for the 150 million. seems like a lot but does not go far when you have the changes

you have in the staechl i think i'm pine with the plan we have now. i. to be involved in the discussions going forward and look forward to continue thanksgiving conversation. >> thank you, rice chair mandelman. >> i want to thank the president for the work on trying to land the pliant technical advisory committee and trying to find a way for market rate and affordable development to go forward in the city in a time there is imperative to try to produce more housing of all types. i -- concur that having time for public health to address some of my occurrence i think are shared by supervisor ronen and others on the board and to try to come up with a robust plan for

meeting the capitol needs of our city's severely mentally ill folk system good. i'm i think it is the right thing to push the public health bond to november of 24. and i will still have a hard time supporting a public healing bond in november of 24 if we have not gotten a better handle on those. i will again reiterate, that i do think that we might consider a transportation and climate bond in november of upon 2024. is that is for another bay. i guess one question. i thank you is interest in retrofitting our existing affordable house and public housing. in the context of new york banning natural gas and new construction. a lot of new stories in the last little bit about the impacts of

natural gas on kids and the 13% of asthma cases attributal to gas burning stoves and high rates of asthma low income communities of color. i do think that i would like to see ocd doing some thinking about how to get some of these public housing affordable housing sro's retrofitted make them more liveable but also -- all electric. and i don't know the extent to which that work has happened or people have thought about what the price task retrofitting all of the city's affordable units might be. and i imagine we are not far down that path way. would be good to see if we get a bit further down the path way as we think about what this march

24 bond be like. i don't know if anybody from either of you want to say anything about this brian says, no. the projects of 2016. foible low got money together. did an offer for 20 million and it has been the request totalled more then and there twice as much than when we have to offer. we thought about a decarbonization and electrification component our needs are so dire in the portfolio we focused on deferred

maintenance, capitol repairs the main tool our ordinance used to do big rehad been system no longer available to our existing projects. got bond allocations from the state. now the state clearly stated the priorities new units. we are stuck locally having to strug welthis. i was at the high cost housing forethumb week. got back late last night and 8 highest [inaudible] in the country doing affordable house and all the cities in the same boat if we pay we can't leverage other sources at this point. new york city is paying 500,000 a unit on repair existing units. we would have more response but we tried to match expectations with resources. butt guard railos the application fist we were to

offer more funds and have a wider scope for the use, we will be able to do some make an electrification decarbonization realm. last thing the new if can't remember. it is usefuleen if we know we'll not be able to pay the whole cost any time soon to begin to get a sense of when the costs of retrofitting are affordable portfolio would look like.

at least it gives us some notion of the target. as you hear will be interest in chipping away with this bond. so. sounds like there is a lot of work to do. hope you can do it before we think about the march bond of >> we did do research i think once we realized our resource will not be able to do the very low bar work that was needed we pick that up and look again and get back to you with our findings so far. >> thank you. >> thank you. supervisor safai? of >> so some of the things that add to the things my colleagues have said. we talked last time about real

opportunity. within this bond. lydia said we can target many of the rehab of affordable thouz house and look at that as a way to drive climate change and thoughtful about that. we can work on this together. there is on going conversations. the other thing that has not been talked about is also this is meant to address and talk about home addressing the homelessness crisis. and some of proposals out there mitalked about this last time. the idea of renovating an existings build when you dot math it come down to the one on polk street and 500,000 a bed. only 40 of those are private. and there is other opportunity out there to look at. we have a single the idea of tiny homes the idea to do individual units that are more private and more easier way to

transition people to existing buildings we do loseos and rehab the properties and look at ways to ensure we have an existing and utilizing the existing housing stock. some of that will be talked about in the next item. appreciate supervisor mandelman for bringing that forward. i wanted put this out now. we also are creating more capacity. both for affordable housing and advance a conversation around other ways to deal with homelessness crisis. i want to say that. also talking about the climate change and i think within a lot of areas we can address and do targeted projects to deal with climate change. wanted put this out before we transition to the next item. >> i don't see anyone on the agenda of madam chair i'm happy to make a motion to sends this with positive recommendation. >> second. >> and so with that, seeing no

names on the roster mr. clerk. call the roll. >>om this motion, the resolution forwarded to the board with positive recommendation vice chair mandelman. >> aye. >> member safai. >> aye. >> member ronen. >> aye. >> member walton. >> aye. >> chair chan. >> aye. >> great the motion passes. thank you. >> mr. clerk, let's call item 2. >> item 2 a resolution calling on mayor london breed to funds 2,000 shelter or temp refer housing placements overnight next 2 years. member who is wish to comment should call 415-655-0001, access code: 2597 675 7544 ##. if you have not done so dial

star 3 to speak a prompt will indicate you raised your understand what everunderstand what then you may begin your comments >> thank you, mr. clerk this item is author is vice chair mandelman i will turn it over and for to you lead nus this conversation am thank you. >> thank you. chair chan. and i'm going to briefly introduce the item i understand that our student guests want to make public meant. men they folks can let them go first. and then we can hear from other folks but this, this resolution i believe is relatively straightforward. dp i hope that we will all be able to support it. as you know i have i and others have been arguing including men of you that this city needs more immediate exits from the street for unhoused and unsheltered

people. we need that as a simple matter of humanity. folks should not wait for years on end to potential low may be get a permanent housing unit as they get sicker on the streets. we need it if we address the encampment crisis we have in neighborhoodses in the city. those of us who tried address encampments know that that the barrier to addressing those is a lack of place ams. we have confirmed in january i submitted a letter to emergency management asking had they would need to expand encampment efforts city wide. more public works resource and police resources they said, no we need more shelter. and my concern is -- that i don't i have no confidence that

the administration or the d. homelessness and supportive housing are geared up for any significant expansion in shelter makes me concerned that there will be no significant effort to address encampments overnight 2 year term of this budget beyond when we have already done which is significant but not enough to address the needs in san francisco. and some ways as you colleagues pointed out yesterday with a resolution about the rv on pier 94 were potential low moving in the wrong direction we eliminate shelter or you know alternatives for folk who is would be on the streets that we have. i don'ting this will be a controversial resolution for us. i. the major's office to grabbel with this need and hope they

will make an effort to expand a shelter options in their budget. there are ways to do it. we heard many thoughts how to do that. i continuing need to bes done men we can take this public comment. >> mr. clerk let's go to public comment. >> members of public when wish to speak and joining person line up on the curtains. for those remote press star 3. can the first person come forward. dp begin speak can i start your time. >> right in the microphone. >> everybody should line up and stand against the pole there.

do it one by one >> homelessness is bad and should split the money. because then we will have -- then homelessness people will have more -- time to like -- show more people don't get homeless and so people have like places to homeless people have accomplices to stay. >> the street should not serve as a homelessness person's waiting room >> not fair for some to have billions and some have none. >> i think that all money that the government or anyone has should be used to help and to

give anyone who does not have a home a home because, yea. >> thank you for your comments. [applause]. if there is anybody else in the chamber who wishes to speak lineup now. >> i will start your time. and supervisors. i'm mark naggel a cofounder of rescue sf. in march when the full board considered the plan under accomplice for all we criticized that plan for cost and lack of vision. at that time we suggested the city bring thousands off the street focusing on the cost effective solutions. such as lease hotels for shelter and departments for housing. follow thanksgiving hearing we submitted a former budget request at the mayor's office

calling for a thousand shelter bed in hotels and apartments and had analysis e milled each of you yesterday. we have confirmed the sufficient hotels are available to leagues. confirmed lose rates of the hotel. confirmed san francisco and the wider bay area have 13,000 upon apartments available to rent for less then and there 2500 per among for 32 million dollars a year. the city can provide a thousand people with beds in hotels. . 11 million dollars to start up and 42 million in rent. the city can house 1,000 people in leased apartments. the proposals require funding. however, called the price tag of the place for all plan was 1.4 billion dollars. and the price task 5 year strategic plan is 600 million plus more then and there 200 million in funding therefore. it is evidence.

ref lying on losed hotel and apartment system less than the city proposals. we need the city to show urgency tow pursue and take bold action. one person should be held accountable. mayor breed. come together as a board and tell the mir to take bold action on homelessness. we reject the business as usual prospect sending resources for modest results. san francisco can do better ending street flip suggest in within roach yoochl thank you >> thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm lori brook a cofounder of rescue sf acknowledge the children that came inform great job showing up you are our future this . is how it is done. used to make my daughter sit in the room and i went to hearing its makes a difference as they get older. while i'm here add to what mark

said. that is supervisor peskin mentioned this this existing housing can the most affordable find ways to use the existing stock of the hotels and apartments to get people off the street. does in the money we don't condition the investments in the pipeline for affordable housing but we near an emergency the water levels are rising and need to act. i encourage all of you to the budget procedure to the mayor that will fall before you. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm carolyn kennedy a community lead in d8 and a rescue leader. we are experiencing a crisis in homelessness. over 200 over dose death this is year. 4,000 people living on the

streets. many suffering from mental health and or substance use disorder this resolution is before you our city is in the acting with urgency tow address this crisis. we can reduce street sweeping by providing 2,000 people with housing. we can get people on a path. sevening sf has a plan. weigh need you to help us. du this with sip hotels had an impact and result in the zero deaths from covid among efthose unhoused. hundreds did die. over 80% prosecute over dose and too many are still dying. many more suffering who i they wait for house thanksgiving is expensive we can only afford a fraction of what is needed. act with speed and urgency you did during covid. vote for this resolution we waited too long the residents demanding more action oenldz

thanksgiving crisis. vote to tell our mayor to take takz to provision the accomplice ams. thank you. thank you for sharing your comments. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon chair chan and supervisors. i'm dave rogers. i'm a castro residents my first time speak at the board of supervisors meeting. i hope i comments are valuable. to many are affected by this homelessness crisis we need a better faster response. we have the unhoused people who are not fairing well not humin to the population to who may be interested to accept housings to go unfair for until we find a concept this may or may not help. we need to act today. i heard yesterday had 400 drug related death in san francisco this year alone. many homeless.

we may not have homeless situation for -- am me and my neighbors we live in this condition daily net castro and taking a toll on us. i get badgered all the time. common to walk down the street and have issues or safety cross the street or find a different path to where i go. i feel compelled to worry about the homeless folks and camp in my neighborhood to care for them and make sure they are not hungary and wonder if they are warm. my partner did not want to take out the trash because of incidents in the left few months. we live in the city walking down the steps to the garage door is a problem for some people. i'm in favor of this proposal to funds. i think we need to treat home

like a natural disaster. and i hope my time is of use today. thank you for your support. thank you dave rogers. next speaker, please. >> hello i'm joyce. i am in the district with supervisor safai. i'm also a mfbt california retired americans. last friday we had a lobby day all offer the state via wareroom and told our san francisco supervisors or legislators that over half of the people hor homelessness in san francisco, the new once are over 55 years old. i was shocked. 2 days ago i think on the 14 bumps i saw 2 women white women on the streets.

not event people had may be a -- had to [inaudible] h the fees and if they can't pay they are thrown on the street. not only you have the seniors i push for a mental health sshgs san fran last year 622 deaths if over dose and when the supervisor [inaudible]. 33% increase in funds for affordable housing. look back from the war. i used to volunteer as a [inaudible] we have people transitioning and people. you know -- thank you. next speaker, please. >> thank you. committee. i urge the mayor to go ahead and

funds the new shelter beds. they are des prit low needed. i spent close to 3 and a half years on the mark. 3 and a half years out on the street. living out in the elements as a homeless person never thought i would do this. i have a berkley degree. i had a good life and everything like that. i had to go on the street. and fend for myself. heard if there were beds i would have got one. we have to make sure it is safe, staff it. have good guy in there hol take care of the homeless people. you know their needs make sure it is safe environment and the things and that sort and we need temperature san francisco is at a breaking point.

that brink tell go over. and will be bad. if we don't the mayor does not do anything. do temperature we need it. and other thing is other doing temperature they are doing. san mateo, you got -- oak land they are doing it we gotta take a look at what they are doing. why don't they -- have an epidemic? why only san francisco? you know, why? you gotta take a look at that. something we are doing here attracting that lifestyle. you know. not bad i tell you it is nice. nice if you slope with the wind in your face and you get used to it you want to go back we can't do that. we gotta build the beds. thank you. >> thank you.

seeing no further speakers here, can you unmute our callers. >> good afternoon board of supervisors. my name is fred a resident of the castro and have been for over 27 years. i'm really in favor of this resolution. and the mayor has talked in public many times about how she will cure the street problems. the street problems are as mr. rogers presented xroem in the castro and the tenderloin and south of market. what we are asking for here is to get beds for an accomplice for people to sleep, a place for all. and that's an important function because we have the street and -- some of the younger -- people in our society stated.

streets should not be the waiting room waiting to sleep temperature is the wrong for the people on the street and wrong for the city. please, send this resolution to the mayor and make her stands up for when she talks b. thank you very much. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. supervisors this is charles. president of coalition for san francisco neighborhoods not just organizations but for all neighborhood groups. we have been spicht of rescue sf the creation. we supported supervisor mandelman's resolutions and a place for all. and -- we really, really, really request that you advance this resolution and hold the mayor's feet to the fire example make her take care of the unhoused

peopleful talking about this for years. time for talk is overwhelm time for action is now. please, please, please, support the resolution. thank you. thank you for calling in. next speaker, please. supervisors, yesterday we were going to wake up call. but y'all have not learned anything from when the young people said. especially those young people and we have about 12,000 homeless and many of them are young people. they are not counted. y'all think it is okay. you have to start with the

budget. this is over 40 billion. and we talk about models -- that -- you are you not quality of life issues. congregate situations are not the way of helping the poor. we have 71,000 homes vacant in san francisco. but we don't know how to do a need's assessment. special during the pandemic we spent billions of dollars. >> we had an opportunity to -- really serve the poor. but we did not. now because we have been

audited. we the people have to pay back. we have to pay back for the mistakes done during the pandemic. so -- stop makey mousing. we need real action. thank you very much. thank you. next speaker, please. >> i'm jerry goldstein a resident of the castro. the status quo is not working. you need more shelter beds . you need [inaudible] take measure tos to address the prison i was [inaudible] earlier speaker mentioned we need have the facilities staffed. because they are many individuals in there with additional problem this is need

to bes addressed. i urge this resolution torn sent to the mayor. and that start implementing programs that include situations [inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> thank you jerad for your comments. mr. lamb, next speaker, please. >> good afternoon chairman chan and supervisors i'm ashley ferguson a resident of the migsz district i'm also a strong supporter of rescue sf and cochair of mission neighborhood association. i urge you to fund the new shelter beds when we are living with and that the poor people live with on the street is deplorable. san francisco has thought of themselves a forward thinking, kind city. there is a really fine line with compassion and when we are doing to the people in the streets is

beyond cruel. i urge you to pass this resolution and get the extra shelter beds. please, please, please, make this a prior and make it happen. and enough of the status quo. people cannot condition to live like this. thank you very much. >> thank you. mr. lamb do we have anymore speakers? >> hi i'm ben wine and i'm representing the business district alliance group of community benefit districts. 16-18 of us depending how you count temperature we have over all upon tense of thousands if not over 100,000 residents [inaudible]. and in that [inaudible]. operate in our districts. we are calling in support of the measure. i think for too long we understand that -- the need for

permanent house suggest essential. it can't come at the cost of places for people to stay immediately when they need t. it has been said before we can't ask people to wait to get housing on the streets. not to mention the impact it has. urging you to pass the measure and in support. thank you very much. >> thanks. that does complete our queue >> thank you. no more public comment it is now closed. vice chair mandelman. >> thank you chair chan and colleagues for make a baptist time for this conversation about this resolution. i want to thank again rescue sf and the folk who is call in the and many more folk who is have been pushing on the mayor and us and the staechl to respond to our crisis of homelessness and

unsheltered homelessness. rescue sf given us a moss of how to do if fortunately. more cost efficiently more than what was present in the the accomplice for all report by hsh. may be other ways to do it i note my office went through the exercise looking at the per ped cost of a number of the contracts that in to this mittee in the last few months the baldwin center. embarcadero navigation cent 225 a bed to 4, 444 a bed. average that out you get an knowual operating cost 250 new beds of over 75 million dollars. which is a lot of money but -- half of what hsh was presenting as the cost of operating those

beds. i think given the imperative of giving folks humane alternative and the imperative of more aggress pilf and draegsz encampments the mayor needs to do this. and it is minimum of i think -- shock when we considered this embarcadero safe navigation center. supervisor safai made this point, there are -- can you get 80 of the beds toward the 2,000 just by using the pace that the embarcadero safe navigation center and buying the mattresses. how much further could we get toward air total of 2,000 over 2 years looking at resources we are using and making better use. how many folks go in to unit catharsis m. now this remain empty. i think there are ways to get to 2,000 unit its it is on the

administration and the d. homelessness and supportive house to get us there. we need to push them and show them we will be supportive of them doing it and again remind folks that many cities and states chosen to address homelessness different low. it is a national challenge special a national shame. not everyone decides to leave homeless people on the street. new york does not. miss mas does not do that. california does it and san francisco really does it and you know i think we mead to do it a different way. hope to have support and i will that's all i got. >> thank you vice chair mandelman. supervisor safai. i want to add-on a bit i'm glad you brought up the embarcadero before i make my comments. i know we have hsh can you come up and give us an update on the

embarcadero navigation center. last day we met there were 80 beds sitting vacant. we come out that there is about a thousand housing units vacant. it is a problem of management of existing resources and getting people in those and they are part of a continuum from permanent fared automobile to transitional house to what many of the mentors talked about which is transitional shelter. i do believe i'm in agreement with you supervisor mandelman, 100% in spchlt this resolution. i think that -- we need to be

expanding options. does not mean we abandon the other areas. let's be clear about this. i have not heard supervisor mandelman say that i'm not saying that. i pointed out the initial vacancies in the options that exist. we have in the last point in time count 4400 people that are homeless. on the streets. unsheltered and so -- in that, we have an opportunity to house many of those. we mead to do a better job with cord naying that. this is a yes wrshgs and. yes and build on when we have. i believe we can do you know least units transitional units rehab existing housing stock as we talked about. we can do it in environmentally conscious way. a nice way to meld the 2. so -- hotel system existing

properties. and creating more shelter is another solution. ip support that i also support and talked last time. additional ideas rescue sf i thank them for coming today and others in the city that sent e mails and support of there has been a conversation in the past about tiny homes as an option. i think we need to explore that as part of this plan. i think that along with meant, things on the table need to be seriously considered. we heard in meetings chair chan perking when is they talked about experience having an individual space away from an environment that may be in ground vero meant problems and, they had. brings me to the issue of spreading this aroundful needs

to be a concentration in terms of where we can provide resources and dedicated area that could be a triage space. may be the tiny homes could be. we need a conversation about spreading the opportunity all over san francisco. very proud that next week working with the mayor's office the d. homeless and supportive housing we will have a -- house warming but an open house for the hotel. first twhon has been done in d11 we are excite body this. and that was done through home key program that is the most cost effective am quickest, affordable way to expand options for unhoused in the city. we have a couple more down the pike. i want to thank you and thank everyone advocating and hope the

the mayor prioritized this for the budget. the beds vacant because they did not have mattresses. >> thank you and happy to report we are getting the bed this is week. i want to make sure identify yourself. apologies. >> emily cohen with department of homelessness and supportive housing through the chair to address supervisor safai's question. expecting the bed arrival this is week and start adding moving people in to the beds at embarcadero. >> i was ready to call sleep world if you need help. 80 mattresses we can make it hamp. thank you, emily. >> thank you. >> thank you. supervisor safai. i think that the reality is though some point there gotta be

a mobile home the city has to recognize that we cannot do everything. and and some point we have to in to a recognition that is -- this -- the issues homelessness is beyond san francisco. it is state wide and national issue. this we have to tackle and have an earnest and honest conversation wither governor to think about resources that really require you to meet both the shelter and housing demand. we will have a hearing on housing. all across i look forward to seeing d. homelessness and supportive housing with their 600 million dollars of budget 62% for housing. i can't recall the parsage for temporary shelter. let's have that conversation.

in the coming weeks. in this budget. and the same time resources. and look and they must strategy to existing for the long-term. and this is --. watch that said -- am what would you like to do >> recommend to the full board with positive recommendation. >> second. >> with that, i than let's call a roll mr. clerk. >> on this motion by the vice chair mandelman and seconded by member safai this resolution forwarded to the full board with positive recommendation.

vice chair mandelman. >> aye >> member safai. >> aye joovm member ronen. >> absent. >> member walton. >> aye. >> chair chan. >> aye >> 4 aye's with member ronen absent. motion pass says. do we have other business before us today. why this concludes our business. meeting is adjourned.

over. committee it's april 27th 2023. we are going to start with roll call. member catalano here. good morning. remember cunningham denning? absent. vice chair, d'antonio. absent member frieden bach. president chair williams, president. so again, we do not have quorum, but we're moving to the land acknowledgment, so we acknowledge that we are on the unseated ancestral homeland of the rama to chalone, who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula as indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions, the rama tuchel only have never seated loss nor forgotten the responsibilities as a caretakers of this place. as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory as guests. we recognize that we benefit from living and working on thei