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everyone. glad to be back. i hope you are summer is going well. and as much got to take time off. during our break. okay. i'm going to call this meeting to order. call the roll. >> president ajami >> here. >> vice president maxwell. >> here >> commissioner paulson >> here >> commissioner rivera. >> here >> commissioner stacy. >> here. >> members of the public make up to 2 minutes of remote public comment on item by dialing 415-655-0001 two 25954618679
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pound pound. access code: 2593 461 8679 ## i would like to thank staff for assist analysis. in the room if you have not done so silence electronic device. >> i would like to announce the puc commission acknowledges it owns and stursd of the uncd land went historic territory of the ramaytush ohlone.
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and other sdendzants of the historic federal recognized mission san jose. the puc recognizes that every citizen residing in the bay area continues to benefit from the use and occupation of the lands. not only recognize the history of the tribal lands on which we reside but also we acknowledge and honor the fact that the people have established a working partnership with the puc and our productive flourishing members in the bay area communities today. >> madam secretary.
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call the next item. >> item 3 approval of the minutes of june 20 of 23. >> any comment on the minutes. call public comment >> member who is wish to make dwo minutes of remote comment on the minutes of june 27 press star 3 to speak. you will hear a chime when there are 30 seconds remain pregnant other when 2 minutes expires anyone here withhold like to comment on item 3? do we have callers with hands raised? >> there are no callers with hands raised. >> thank you. in is for the upon minutes. june 27. do you have comments on the minutes that from the last meeting. thank you.
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there are no callers in the queue. >> thank you. public comment on item 3 is closed. >> excellent. colleague fist there are no comments can i have a motion and second to approve the minutes. >> move to approve. >> second >> could you have a roll call. >> president ajami. >> aye >> vice president maxwell. >> aye >> paulson. >> aye >> riverasm >> aye >> stacy. >> aye. >> excellent. minutes are approves. could you call the next item. >> item 4 report of the general manager. good afternoon acting general manager. general manager herrera asked me to update this board on information that has been in the news.
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i imagine you have all seen the coverage about the algae in san francisco bay? we thought it might be helpful to update this body on steps we are taking to reduce nitrogen in the bay. we are in compliance with concern regulations and working closely with regulators as they assess the need for stricter rules. the puc is taking steps to help reduce nitrogen in the bay. this is the complex issue. that we have been collaborating on for over a decade >> broad coalition of scientists, engineers and policy makers studying the bay to understand how many factors including light. high temperatures and nutrient loads are affecting the health. the research indicates loads which start from multiple source the bay area's 37 wastewater
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agency dids not cause bloom you but may play a role on the impact of the blooms. most wastewater plants are not required to remove nitrogen and many cannot do so without major upgrades. the wastewater agencies provided 14 million dollars for research to help determine when and how nitrogen removal may be necessary we have been draegsz nitrogen in the became doing this in 3 ways now. we are making long-term investments like building a new state of the art treatment plant that will include full stream nitrogen removal complete in the 2026. piloting changes to the treatment process to decrease nitrogen levels during the dry
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weather science. look to repurposing existing tank in other assets at our main wastewater plant they can be upgradeed remove nitrogen. i want to clear up confusion that has been part of the public conversation around upon nitrogen reduction. recycled water does not fix nitrogen in the bay. recycled water is a local supply used for irrigation and toilet flushing developing recycled treatment facilities allows communities to diversify water supplies and conserve drinking water we are constructing the west side recycle wash at ocean side plant produce recycled water for golden gate park and other irrigation use. recycled water is not a solution to the nitrogen problem in the bay the nitrogen left over from the recycle fiteration process
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does not disappear temperature need to bes treated or discharged. i want to note that san frap puc is working with regulatoros strategies. we are willing tooshg dap in the nitrogen removal requirements regulations evolve. require long planning. construction of new infrastructure in billions of dollars in regional investment. we're prepared do our part t. is not something we can do alone. rate pay and partners and federal colleagues working to make the investments needed. thank you. comments or questions. can we have public comment. members who wish to make 2 minutes of remote comment on 4a
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press star 3 to speak. there will be a chime when there are 30 seconds to speak. do we have members of the public present to provide comment on 4a. do we have callers. >> there are no callers in the queue. public comment is closed.
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we will we will -- commission secretary and the commission president to come up with a time to come back and provide more information. it is moving. >> i don't know where it is. thank you. and it is unfortunate but the reality is you are facing this coming back we are not the region dealing with this and not what agency wastewater dealing with this. it is -- e involving. and every growing problem.
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. item that talks about social impact partnership i was not sure react vafting social impact partnership anything to do with the increase in the contracts or not? >> is this on 5a.
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>> 5a. >> i don't have the item i don't have the answer to that question. right now. >> okay. would you be able to come back may be by the end of this meeting and let us know about that? or is this something we need. >> i can provide that the social impact partnership practical was not included in the contract when we were going throughout behested payment's review and have to get approval so we move forward. with this vote, body voting that once we could have it. we would put it in so this is in but has nothing to do with the price the social impact partnership is not an additive price temperature is following through and putting the requirement in that were -- held up a bit during that process. >> it was not clear. i read that and figured it out i
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was not sure if the 2 are in any ways connect. thank you. >> and i have another question on -- bear with me. 5d. well is a statement there that is funding and cost. and says, later date the commission may approve an opgdz to increase the mack contract value up to 50% of the value. and i was not sure how did you come up with that 50% increase or why that statement is in there. >> in thes code every contract
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we give out can increase up to 50%? >> per track. >> yes. >> job order contract. >> okay >> wow. hi not noticed. thank you. >> i deferred to the city attorney. >> okay. thank you. is is there a way we see how often that happen in our contract. >> thank you. >> [laughter]. we can look at and get back temperature is interesting to see how we do that the other professional service contracts we take advantage to extend. >> yes. >> and sorry. i did not mean it look and now the reason i turned him is because we have been having this long conversation for a year about contracting and what
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happens i was trying to pile up on the questions. thank you. >> okay. with that, i think -- if tlir no more comments or questions. can we have public comment on the calendar yoochl member who is wish to make remote comment on item 5. press star 3 you will hear a chime had well is 30 seconds left. anyone present to provide comment on consent? >> do we have callers with hands raised. >> there are no callers wishing to be recognized. public comment on item 5 is closed. >> if no questions can we have a motion and second on the consent calendar >> move to approve consent. >> second. >> thank you. >> can we have a roll call.
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>> president ajami >> aye jury room vice president maxwell. >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> commissioner riverasm >> aye >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> thank you. >> the items on consent pass. next item. >> item 6 award grant cs1245g to the mar loma improvement club for native plant garden at 350 oshg chanel see to d7 budget program using add back and not to exceed amount of 25,000 with code section 21g.8 this constitutes approval for the project the purposes of california environmental equality act. and the slides are not working we have to use the -- >> use the over head.
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i don't have that. does not matter. it was just. >> thank you. i did not say anything it popped up this . is one figure from the item. a small grant. and we had work with this awhile to work with the proper code section to make the aword the money given to the puc to take care of the work. this is wield not have spent the monfewe did it ourselves the 25 thousand dollars is not a lot of money we will gift grant to the mar loma park club. the club house left to the circled area the reason we're which have involved the ping lot and garden area on our property that is where the work will take place.
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and that is just above glen canyon. and happy top answer questions. >> colleagues. commissioner stacy >> thank you. this inotropics i was confused built source of the money. money from the general fund? the fuc decides to designating the funds run by the board. >> i was not sure if that was the case it went to the board and back to the puc. somebodiments.
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i'm an aid for supervisor melgar. i can peek to your question. the funds were allocated by supervisor melgar for budget process. which takes stake holders from the district and vet proposals from community groups. mar loam00 park club aplied through the public process awarded the funds via supervisor melgar's process we are eatingtory get it implemented. this is puc land and we would love your approval and implementing this garden of native plants the funds from the supervisor melgar. >> with that can we have public
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comment on this item. member who is wish to make remote comment on item 6y police press star 3 to speak. speakers will hear a chime with there are 30 seconds to speak. i have speaker cards from people in the room to speak and i will call your name. >> goovend, commissioners i'm robot g a board member with the impprove am club and a former positive a prove grant to the mrub for redesign of the garden
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awarded throughout d 7 budget program and district 7 residents mar loma is a community of 2200 homes. the club is a 501c3 incorporate in the 1940 and working with the seniors and vulnerable populations and working with many agencies to address issues from police, safety, transportation, traffic. neighborhood beautification. parks and zoning as well as working with the neighborhood organizations on shared. we have a history of working with different city agencies to pleasure projects including traffic calming. to the renovation of the reservoir. upon we completed other d7 budget grants awardsed us
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administered through community grant office from the city add administrator. as summarizing in the packet our garden create in the 95 to mirror glen park canyon for residents to learn about native plants. along with collaboration with the native plant society. we urge the commission to approve the grant. thank you for your time. i'm todd another. another board member. of the mar loma park club i wanted under score when robert said and -- salute him for many hours of work on this project our members have will be looking at the fourth year of no plants in the ground.
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i thank you and the supervisor's office. >> thank you. good to have people in person. do we have mixture of the public present for comment on item 6. public comment on item 6 is closed. >> if there are no discussions can i have a motion and a second on the item? >> move. >> second >> move and seconded. aye. >> commissioner rivera. >> aye >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> 5 aye's. >> sends us pictures of the new when it is done.
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thank you. perfect can we have the next item. >> communications. >> colleague this is is information only but if you have any? comments. could you please have the next item. >> this is our general public comment. >> item 8. general public comment. member who is wish to make remote comment on matters in the jurisdiction not on the agenda press star 3 to raise your hand. speakers hear a chime when there are 30 seconds and when your 2 minutes entired i have smeeshg cards. gwen jackson. and i'm sorry. nota jack jones. maryland jackson and robert
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ball. good afternoon. i'm gwen jackson and i'm the daughter of the late doctor jackson. i hoped that from what you remember. but i was able to i wanted say good afternoon to all. i'm kind of nervous. i'm trying to stand up. okay. i think you received a calm of a document. that was goin mean by -- kelly at the time. he asked me to help facilitate because they wantedmented i will read it because i'm nervous and i don't want you to buzz me out. okay this . is what he says. as we discuss today as the it
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san francisco public commission. committed to the litigation connected with the southeast treatment plant. i want to address a myth. and a rumor that there is not a plan or desire to the dem oat 1800 oakdale in eliminate the southeast commission. okay. i received prosecute prileft my phone there? >> i was -- i was at -- received -- messages from the community and they was saying they heard the puc was going on demo the building and i don't know if this is true. my family was wondering why was
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supposed to get the educational building that puc. okay. you can finish. get an educational building and it is not there yet when i heard that they would demo that i had concern. >> i don't understand if that is true or not. i'm not sure it is. and -- the other thing that we attended the zoom with the upon community. commissioners. and this was questions reacts they can't tell us when it would be built. it is never i answer. i wanted see if you can answer
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for us. i did read on this is that you have to which discuss that after another time thank you for your time. thank you. we appreciate your comments. thank you very much. >> we will look into that. thank you. am i'm here to say, keep my mother's dream alive. you have been i want to city college and graduate in the 2020 at home. but i was look forward to going to the school at 1550 upon evans they said it is not available i would like more sxemgz that's what was promised so police keep the dream alive.
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thank you. >> thank you. good afternoon to the commission. i'm jones the grandson of doctor jackson. so00 i was was to read there was a resolution presented on march 82016. with respect on january 24, 2016, doctor jackson passed at the age of 83. where as, doctor jackson played air role in the creation of the southeast community facility. where as the upon community was near to her heart and until her last day doctor jackson continued to speak about issues affecting them partial her legacy will impact the lives of those grateful for her countless
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endefers honor the wishes of doctor jack remembered as a timeless leader within the city and county of san francisco to name a few. and this was said by the commission. and also signed by all the commissions. thank you. >> good afternoon i'm robot. i met mrs. jackson 20 years ago and she was instrument in me getting my life together and strict on her programs about the rights for minorities in her community. she was very that was her pet peeves and if you ever came in contact with her that was a thing that was a constant with
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her. to find out now years later that the projects that she worked hard to do. in some of the upon communities are being wasted or -- you know -- sectioned out. and i think that the young people i grew up in bayview and in san francisco my life i lost city. i just think that there can be better opportunity with the areas to help the youth. younger people. and i'm only here to express that because i see so many of just her projects. she was she loved her community and it did not matter you know with ethnicity. you were poor or rich. she tried to give you some sense of fairness. and that's what i got from her. and hearing about when her pet peeves that is there.
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if the city with finds something that is a benefit both of them i thank you all. may be >> flynn we can look in this. we can discuss this but may be you can let us know or mr. herrera can let us know the status of the project. we will report back top 1880 oakdale. thank you. dom we have other speakers in the room for general public comment? there is one caller. >> thank you.
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i opened your line value 2 minutes >> thank you. this some dave warner. thank you for your service and hope you had a deserved break d. finance projections came out. likely than when boska did the finance action population changes had the largest impact on demand. the projectioners important for aisle water supply decision will speak about the risk for increasing water and sewer rates higher than projected. 2020 plan population increasing to 1.25 million f. d. finance reduction shows the san francisco population declining. this is a big difference 1.2 versus 847 thousand and lower
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demand means less water and sewer services. we pressure on water and sewer rates. the puc rate analysis does d not use the plan projections but demand increase. with both population and per cap upon that demand declining the rate increases will not need to increase beyond the 10 year projections. ask staff to present what rates shift the d. finance projections reality. a second topic quick i hope you saw goals listed on the second log a few page in from the first am it was tricky. thank you. >> thank you. >> madam secretary there are no more callers. >> general public comment is closed.
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>> thank you. could you please call the next item. >> next is item 9 items initialled by the commissioners. >> colleagues any items you would like to initiate at this point? >> commissioner maxwell. >> please. regarding green houses on the evans. if they are hiring people from the upon community and if they are obtaining they are being paid paying less rent. why is that where we -- kinds of an idea the green houses. well and, there is a football possibility they are paying below market rate f. they are may have been a reason if there
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was a reason for it. may have been buz they would employ or do things are they liveingsum that to upon agreement if there is is an agreement. >> there were a handful of comments submitted by the individuals that doctor jackson's family and different people submitted for public comment. there are few items raised. if you don't mind look through them i thank you is one other one mentioned there. and letting us and not since we made that comment i want to make a comment i appreciate the comment on population growth. they are not going into a deep discussion we are looking into that thank you for your comments. and then no items to be
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initialled no public comment can we have the other item. >> we have public comment. >> yes. >> commissioner, vice president maxwell. >> you initialled a comment. >> members of the public who wish to make remote upon comment on item 9, press star 3 to speak. do we have callers with hands raised. >> there are no callers in the queue. >> opinion comment on item 9 is closed. >> thank you. no action taken here. could you read the items to are heard during closed session. >> following yments heard during closed session litigation for the following items.
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12, bing versus city of san francisco settlement of unlitigated claim for damage to property a rut urd water main with the city san francisco to pay the institute 64, 483 dollars. subject to final approval by the board. number 13, wong versus the city of san francisco proposed settle am of claim for damage to property resulting from rut urtd water main with the city of san francisco to pay the wong 50 thousand dollars subject to final approval by the board of supervisors. and 14, jessica versus city of san francisco settlement of unlitigated claim for damage to property a water main with the city of san francisco to pay 32 thousand dollars subject to final approval by the board of
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supervisors. i'm sorry fimispronounced names. members of public who wish to comment on closed session 12-13 press star 3 to speak. . do we have anyone present for upon comment. >> mr. moderator do we have callers weapon hands raised yoochlt there are no callers in the queue. public comment on closed session is closed. >> thank you. may i have a motion on whether to assert the attorney/client privilege on the closed matters. >> moved. >> second. >> thank you. can we have a relate call. >> president ajami. >> aye >> vice president maxwell. >> aye. >> paulson. >> aye. >> commissioner riverasm >> aye >> commissioner stacy.
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>> aye. >> thank you. move to wire back. may ia a motion whether to. sorry. disclose the items that were discussed during closed session. >> you need your announcement. first. . s you are right. too much talking. i have been off long. >> okay. the commission recommendings the board supervisors approved settlements referenced in the
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agenda. with that, can i have a motion not to disclose the discussions during closed session? motion not to acert. >> not to disclose. >> thank you. >> second. >> thank you. can we have a roll call. >> president maxwell >> i'm sorry ajami. >> aye. >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> rivera. >> aye >> stacy >> aye >> thank you. sindz those to the board of supervisors. thank you. i think with that. we are the end of the agenda today. and adjourned. thank you. gned by president woo-
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>> it took the devastating 1906 earthquake and fire and 500 city blocks burning to the ground for the people of san francisco to realize they had an inadequate water supply. >> the earthquake allowed nation
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sin a neuropathy for san francisco. whatever this stricken city wants as a country, we should help them with it. >> years before, mayor james feland explored the sierra for a source of water for a city run water utility. his search led him to a pristine valley along the tuolumne river. >> hetch hetchy valley seemed to be the obvious place for this. it had steep perpendicular walls, 2500 feet and a flat floor. all you would have to do is put a dam across it. >> however, hetch hetchy was in yosemite national park and in order to build the proposed system, san francisco needed federal permission. jon mural opposed the dam and blocked progress for years but in 1913, congressman john from money george would clear the way. signed by president wood row wilson, it created a relationship between yosemite
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national park and the city of san francisco that continues to this day. >> take them to the -- it's an imperative for collaboration with the national park service and the forest service for our ongoing work as well as maintenance projects and capital improvement projects. >> we have a strong partnership with the national park service aimed at protection of the watershed, it's for the natural values for it, and wilderness area for the park service and protection of water quality. >> for a century now, this dam in a national park brought fresh water to the san francisco bay area which shared stewardship, it will continue to do so for generations to come. >> this will is the moment. it's made possible >> when i open up the paper every day i'm just amazed at how
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many different environmental issues keep popping up. when i think about the planet i want to leave for my children and other generation, i think of what contribution i can make on a personal level to the environment. ♪♪♪ clean power sf is san francisco's key way of fighting climate change by renewable energy and offering it to san francisco customers. i'm from the san francisco public utilities commission. the program came about with state wide legislation in 2002 to enable people to take more control over supplies. i first heard of the program when the organization was advocating to launch clean power sf. what i'm most excited about, it's going to bring 100%
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renewable energy to my home and reinvest into renewable energy infrastructure and jobs. i had gone to a lot of street fairs and heard from the staff at the san francisco public utilities commission to sign up for clean power sf even before it launched. >> we learned about clean power sf because our sustainability team is always looking for clean operations. linkedin is the largest online network. there are about 530 million members using our site. in this san francisco office there's about 1400 employees working in roughly 400,000 square feet. >> after signing up for the program we heard about the san francisco program and learned
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they had commercial rates and signed up for that. i'm the co-owner of the new wheel electric bike shop. we opened this store in 2012 and the new wheel sells and services electric bikes. 11 people work here in san francisco and our store is about 2,000 square feet. electric bikes are fantastic for transportation in the city, they're clean and green and you get places faster than any other form of transportation. it amplifies the power, it doesn't replace it. it makes it easier to get places by bicycle and it's so enjoyable and environmentally friendly way to go and more convenient in san francisco. >> clean power sf requires two products, green, 40% renewable and competitively priced with pg and e. for those who want to fight climate change more, 100%
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renewable at $0.02 per kilawatt. >> i decided to go with the super greens, after finding it only to cost about $5 more a month to have super green, that's a no-brainer, i can do that. >> we were pleased that clean power sf offers the super green 100% for commercial entities like ours and residents for the city of san francisco. we were pleased with the package of services for linkedin and now encouraging our employees who have a residence in san francisco to sign on as well. >> clean power sf buys its power from renewable plants that feed the energy directly into the grid. >> there's a commitment to
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sustainability throughout the entire organization and this clean power opportunity reflects that. >> one of the wind farms we use is the shilo wind farm and that is large enough to be able to provide energy for up to 200,000 homes. >> our mission is sustainability, even though our bikes are minimal energy use, it still matters where the energy comes from and part of our mission in sustainability is how we run everything -- run our business. having the lights come on with clean energy is very important. >> the sunset reservoir has solar panels that take up about four city blocks covering the reservoir and the solar power generates energy for city resources and clean power sf for residents participating in the program. >> it was easy to sign up for the program, i went online to
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cleanpowersf.org and i started getting pieces in the mail letting me know i was going to be switched over and it just happened. when i pay my bill, i still go to pg and e and i don't see any difference between now and a year ago. >> sign up online, just have your account number ready and it takes about two minutes and there's nothing to install. no lines are getting connected to your home. all the power goes through the existed power grid. >> we haven't had any problems with the switch over to clean power. >> it's super easy to sign up. our book keeper signed up online, it took about 15 minutes. nothing changed but now we have cleaner energy. >> we see clean power sf as a key strategy to meet renewable energy goal, we have a goal of 50% renewable energy by 2020.
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currently we have enrolled about 86,000 customers across the city. about 20% of what we hope to serve in the future and in the next two years we'll offer service to all san francisco electricity customers. >> an easy way to align your environmental responsibilities and goals around climate change and it's so easy that it's hard to not want to do it and it doesn't really add anything to the bill. >> joining clean power sf is one of the easiest ways to fight climate change, receiving cleaner energy at low and stable rates, you're helping to support a not for profit that helps influence the energy grid and produce more production. >> i would encourage any business to seriously convert to the clean sf service. it's good for environment, business and the community.
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>> you can sign up online our call and the great thing is, you'll have the peace of mind that you're doing your part in your household to help the environment. ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪
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>> we are right now in outer richmond in the last business area of this city. this area of merchants is in the
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most western part of san francisco, continue blocks down the street they're going to fall into the pacific ocean. two blocks over you're going to have golden gate park. there is japanese, chinese, hamburgers, italian, you don't have to cook. you can just walk up and down the street and you can get your cheese. i love it. but the a very multicultural place with people from everywhere. it's just a wonderful environment. i love the richmond district. >> and my wife and i own a café we have specialty coffee drinks, your typical lattes and mochas and cappuccinos, and for lunches, sandwiches and soup and salad. made fresh to order. we have something for everybody >> my shop is in a very cool part of the city but that's one of the reasons why we provide
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such warm and generous treats, both physically and emotionally (♪♪) >> it's an old-fashioned general store. they have coffee. other than that what we sell is fishing equipment. go out and have a good time. >> one of my customers that has been coming here for years has always said this is my favorite store. when i get married i'm coming in your store. and then he in his wedding outfit and she in a beautiful dress came in here in between getting married at lands end and to the reception, unbelievable. (♪♪)
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>> the new public health order that we're announcing will require san franciscans to remain at home with exceptions only for essential outings. >> when the pandemic first hit we kind of saw the writing on the walls that potentially the city is going to shut all businesses down. >> it was scary because it was such an unknown of how things were going to pan out. i honestly thought that this might be the end of our business. we're just a small business and we still need daily customers. >> i think that everybody was on edge. nobody was untouched. it was very silent. >> as a business owner, you know, things don't just stop,
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right? you've still got your rent, and all of the overhead, it's still there. >> there's this underlying constant sense of dread and anxiety. it doesn't prevent you from going to work and doing your job, it doesn't stop you from doing your normal routine. what it does is just make you feel extra exhausted. >> so we began to reopen one year later, and we will emerge stronger, we will emerge better as a city, because we are still here and we stand in solidarity with one another. >> this place has definitely been an anchor for us, it's home for us, and, again, we are part of this community and the community is part of us. >> one of the things that we strived for is making everyone in the community feel welcome and we have a sign that says "you're welcome." no matter who you are, no matter
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what your political views are, you're welcome here. and it's sort of the classic san francisco thing is that you work with folks. >> it is your duty to help everybody in san francisco.
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guests who will also be participating in today's meeting. madam secretary, please call the first item. thank you, mr vice chair. the first order of business is i don't want road called commission members. please respond when i call your name commissioner kino present commissioner drew present. commissioner scott press it, madam. prent