>> the meeting is called to order at 211 p.m. on behalf of the sheriff department oversight board we like to thank sfgtv to broadcast and moderate the meetingism you may view the broadcast on cable channel 26. please stand to recite the pledge of allegiance. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> would you please call the roll?

[roll call] we have a quorum. would you please call the first agenda item? >> line item 1, general public comment. the public is welcome to address the board that do not appear on the agenda. comments are opportunities to speak during the public comment period are available for members of the public who are present in person by approaching the podium, or those joining remotely by calling the number shown across your screen, 415-655-0001 and entering access code

25973005252. when public comment is announced for the line item or general comment, follow the prompts will be added to the queue. when you hear the moderator say good afternoon caller, you have two minutes, this is your opportunity to comment. you have two minutes for your comments. once your 2 minutes ended you will be moved out of the queue and back into listening unless you decide to disconnect. members of the public may stay on the meeting and listen for another line item to be called and pressing star 3 to be added to the queue. >> good afternoon. september 1, it is great. starts with a the sheriff--most people know me here from the board of supervisors. i've been speaking a

lot. i think it is necessary. the second time i address you guys. i don't know if you remember me with my french accent. my name is jerry. i came to tell you that the sheriff has a specific role to play to protect the government's officials. the problem is, you have to make sure the government is [indiscernible] 1 minute 6, it goes very fast. no matter what, because it is plain to see there is a problem here. we have division. it isn't going to work. the goal-the reason for being-everything is happiness. you can't achieve your happiness, your reason for being without beauty, that is everything that goes

against such as ugliness. it isn't going to make you happy. nobody. [indiscernible] is not serving the people. one thing, nobody wants war. nobody. do you? how come the government in san francisco doesn't say anything to at least try to have peace? for example [indiscernible] second thing, last thing, i told the mayor, mayor i told you twice, in order to try to solve the problem you push to promote all the city the concept of responsibility and critical thinking. how come we don't [indiscernible] how come? please, pay attention, sheriff. [indiscernible] we see what happens with the supervisors. keep speaking for

everybodys happiness. have a great day. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we have one caller on the line. good afternoon caller, you have two minutes. >> hello. my name is michael petrelis. i spell my surname so there are accurate minutes on this meeting. i filed a complaint in april with the sheriff department against officer andrew martinez, because i believe he had harassed me before the meeting

started and he chilled my first amendment rights. i video taped his interaction with me, this lieutenant martinez. i filed a written complaint with internal affairs at the sheriff's department and then after about four weeks of never hearing from anyone at the department to ask me any questions about my complaint, i received an e-mail from deputy kevin mcconnell telling me that they have conducted an internal investigation, again, without asking me a single question, and they absolved their colleague of any wrong-doing. i mention this because it is one more reason why we need this commission to get its act together. hire the inspector general. start investigating citizen complaints. we have waited years

an unconscionable number of years for this commission to address the abuses of the sheriff and the deputy. we cannot wait much longer for you guys to hire someone and get that person up and running as the inspector general. basically, what we will eventinally need in san francisco is a law enforcement commission, instead of one commission for police department and one for sheriff department, we need a single law enforcement commission. thank you for listening. >> thank you caller. >> no other callers.

calling line item 2. adoption of minutes, action item. review and aprov the minutes from sheriff department oversight board regular meeting held july 7, 2023 and special meeting held july 27, 2023. >> i move to approve. >> second. >> for members of the public who like to comment for line item 2, if you are present please line up at the podium. those remotely call the general number and use the access code appearing on the screen and follow prompts to be added to the queue. we have one caller on the line. good afternoon caller, you have two minutes.

>> hello. this is michael petrelis again, and i want to address the draft meeting minutes from thursday july 27. i see here that there was no general public comment and then you went into closed session, and again there was no public comment about go nothing into closed session. i'm very concerned about the lack of public engagement and public comment about this meeting. and then, you went into closed session and it

says here, discussion in closed session will not be disclosed. this terrible lack of transparency has to be addressed. speaking as a person frustrated and trying to get some investigation, some independent investigation at the sheriff's department, to see that your commission met in july behind closed doors. this was about the inspector general and there is no public that was there, no public comment recorded, and what was discussed will not be disclosed. boy, this is a reason why so many of us are distrustful of any government oversight of law enforcement, because we just do not see transparency and it is crucial that there

be transparency about what you are doing on this commission in closed session, because we have no idea when we will get the inspector general. please, tell us what happened at that meeting on july 27. thank you. >> thank you caller. there are no other callers and no other public comment. calling line item 3, nomination and election of officer--wait, sorry, we didn't vote. on the motion to adopt the minutes- [roll call]

the motion passes. the minutes from the regular meet ing held july 7 and regular meeting and special meeting held july 27 are adopted. now calling line item 3. nomination and election of officer. discussion and action item. nomination and election of officers to serve the sheriff's department oversight board from october 2023 through september 2024. pursuant to sheriff's department oversight board rules of order rule 1.3. >> nominations for the office of president? >> i nominate julie soo. >> second. >> are there any other

nominations? do we take public comment before voting, dan? for each office separately? >> for members of the public who like to comment for line item 3 on the office of the president, if you are present please line up at the podium, otherwise, those watching remotely call the general number and use the access code appearing on your screen and follow the prompts to be added to the queue. there are appears to be no callers. we will take the vote for line item 3, office of the president. afuhaamango is aye. member brookter is aye. vice president carrion

is aye. nguyen is aye. member palmer is not here yet. member soois aye. president wechter is no. by majority vote, member soo has been elected president for the next term commencing october 7, 2023. congratulations. >> congratulations. >> open the floor for nominations of vice president. >> i like to nominate vice president carrion. >> second that. >> any other nominations for the office of vice president? hearing none-- >> for members of the public who like to comment on line item 3 for the office of vice president, if you are present line up at the

podium, otherwise those remotely call the number on the screen and follow the prompts to be added to the queue. there is no callers. we will now take the vote for line item 3, office of the vice president. member afuhaamango, aye. member brookter, aye. vice president carrion, aye. member nguyen, aye. member soo, aye. president weckter, no. by majority vote, member vice president carrion has been reelected to the office of vice president. your term recommences october 7, 2023. congratulations vice president carrion. >> thank you.

>> calling line item 4, recruitment and inspector general discussion and possible action item. dhr will appear to give a update on the ig recruitment. >> good afternoon members, president weckter, vice president carrion. department of human resources sent out the questionnaires to qualified candidates and received the responses thatnded the 25. the responses have been forwarded to the board and i believe we'll discuss that further in closed session later in this meeting. >> thank you. received. >> can we ask you in this session to put on the record how many applications were received and how many we have to consider? >> not in open

session, no. >> okay. >> great. >> for members of the public who like to comment for line item 4, if you are present line up at the podium otherwise call the general number and use the access code on the screen and follow prompts to be added to the queue. one caller online. good afternoon caller, you have two minutes. >> hello. this is michael petrelis again and i'm greatly disappointed that there is not a substantive discussion taking place right now before you go into closed session about

hiring the inspector general. the fact that we can't learn how many have applied for the job or how many have submitted answers to the questionnaires is really harming the public trust in what you are doing, or what i should say, what you are not doing, and that is not giving us transparency. it is really not just the lack of transparency, it is the extreme lack of urgency. we are in september of 2023 and this commission is still dragging its feet on getting us an inspector general. i need to repeat that at some point san francisco needs to merge the police

commission with the oversight body of the sheriff's department and let's also look at oversight regarding the district attorney's office. we need a comprehensive single law enforcement commission where we the people go to a body with power and voice our complaints, where we list our complaints against the various law enforcement agencies at the local level in san francisco and how crime is not coming down and the trust in law enforcement is also declining. please tell us what the heck is going on with the inspector general's search. thank you. >> thank you caller. >> i like to mention that the commission and hr, dhr is required to

follow several different employment laws, which protect the personal information of some of these inspectors, potential inspector generals and applicant, and we have been abiding by that and therefore we use the closed session to insure that information that should not is illegal for us disclose is not disclosed. >> and just to add further context to that, we have been since beginning of this year as we were going through this process, dhr, been transparent about the timeline it takes for the interview process and just gathering information. we are going by standard timeline.

>> no other public comment. calling line item 5, public comment on closed session. public comment on all matters pertaining to item 6, below, closed session. for members of the public who like to comment pertaining to line item 6, closed session, if you are present please line up at the podium, otherwise call the general number and use the access code on the screen and follow the prompts to be added to the queue. good afternoon caller, you have two minutes. >> because you all set a calendar for yourselves this year that you are following that calendar.

it is unacceptable that we the people are still waiting for not just transparency, but urgency! where is your sense of urgency on getting more public engagement at your meetings and also the urgency that is needed regarding hiring this inspector general? how much longer must we wait? it is now the 9th month of this year and we have no idea even what the number of applicants is. you all are hiding behind the bureaucratees of personnel laws. i do not believe that you're going to violate those laws if you tell us three or 30 people applied for this position. really, the lack of

transparency here is harming community accountability and law enforcement and now you are about to go into closed session about this and we are going to have to wait who knows how long you will be in closed session. we have to wait until you come out of closed session to make public comment on the other items on your agenda. you really should have put this item for the closed session at the very end so that we could hear the report that follows this item and also be allowed to make general public comment on that. so, please show some urgency here. thank you. >> thank you caller. >> if it were up to me we would disclose the number about the number of candidates, but i can't compel dhr to provide that information. we have to abide by the

laws as interpreted by our deputy city attorney, so my personal feelings do not trump the rules they are following. >> there are no other callers. line item 6, closed session on public employee appointment hiring sf admin code 67.10b discussion and possible action. inspector general, possession established by sf charter section 4.137 to head the office of the inspector general. at this time we ask members of the public to vacate the chambers so we can have our

>> calling line item 7, vote to disclose discussion on closed session. action item. vote to elect whether to disclose any or all discussion on item 6, closed session, san francisco administrative code section 67.12a. >> can you please read off the motion of commissioner soo? i see, okay. so we don't have to- >> we are not disclosing in closed session, accept that the board came to a consensus as to the interpretation as to law enforcement agency under the charter. and that is-- >> that is law

enforcement agencies consist of police agencies and sheriff departments. >> just a note for the public edification, we are continuing ongoing recruitment process so we will be conducting that further next month. >> is there a motion not to disclose closed session? >> so move. >> second? >> second. >> alright. members of the public who like to comment on line item 7, if present line up at the podium or otherwise call the general number and use the access code on the screen and follow the prompts. >> good afternoon. i have a quick question. has there been consideration setting up maybe a committee

on the hiring of the inspector general so it continue to go on-because you all meet once a month. maybe the committee could meet every two weeks in order to speed the process. i heard another gentleman call in and i know we want to get this resolved so we can start moving ahead, so that was my question. thank you. >> we do have a process in which commissioner soovoted to be our president starting october, she's the liaison directly working--weekly with dhr to make sure that we are on track of the timeline and that the appropriate information is being sent to commissioners. the commissioners to avoid--make sure we do everything correctly, we don't discuss things outside, only our

amazing clerk here will send the information to us so we have a opportunity to review everything and have a more thoughtful engaging conversation here. >> just to add, we did have community meetings. unfortunately a number had to be canceled for lack of quorum but we got feedback from the public. that also came to inform us what kind of questions we wanted to ask our potential candidates, how we crafted the job announcement to begin with, and had closed sessions during the regular meeting to get updates and have a discussion with the department of human resources and as well as our city attorney and then we had additional separate closed sessions on the recruitment as the inspector general specifically. >> we greatly appreciate you coming here and being engaged in this process and welcome you back. >> good to see you

again. >> yes. i recognize her. >> there is no other public comment. we'll take the roll for the motion. member afuhaamango, aye. member brookter, aye. vice president carrion, aye. member nguyen, aye. member palmer, aye. member soo, aye. president wechter, aye. the motion passes. calling line item 8, presentation by the department of police accountability dpa. information item. submission of 2021 and 2022 yearly statistics regarding complaints against sfso received or handled by the dpa

including:- anonymized statistical data that includes the total number of complaints dpa received from the public and the sfso - the types of allegations - the number of dpa's open sfso investigations - the number of complaints returned to the sfso for investigations - dpa's recommendations in all the cases it closed that year - and demographic information such as the age, gender, ethnicity or occupation of all complainants and investigated uniformed sfso members. >> good evening. >> thank you. good afternoon board members. let me apologize saying between you and a long three day weekday. my name is marshal kind for the benefit of the public who may not have tuned in into past meetings, i am a chief of staff for the department of police accountability and our role currently is to provide civilian oversight for issues of sheriff misconduct while this board builds

the new department. our congratulations to president elect soo and vice president carrion and congratulations to the board members appointed this year, board member palmer, board member afuhaamango and vice president carrion. look forward work wg all you as we continue to try to build this new department with you to support this board as well as hopefully realize your vision very very soon. i'm here to present on behalf of the dpa. little bit about our work. we are always pleased to be able to present the work that we have been doing for the past nearly 4 years now. as you will see, we started with ad hoc requests back around 2018, 2019 that developed into agreements with the sheriff's office and we now have a working agreement that defines the areas in which we

have jurisdiction to investigate. we included in appendix that basically lays out those areas that we have jurisdiction over investigating. as you all know, we started without any commitment of resources or funding, so everything was built on borrowed resources, but as you will see in the presentation, over the past 3 years we have really ramped up and built in particularly accelerated over the past year our capacity for taking on more work and more investigations. our output. our reporting and our data capabilities. so, without further ado, any there are any particular questions i'll present a overview of our investigative work over the past two years. as requested, we have prepared data for open and closed case statistics, complainant

demographics and break 37 down of allegation types. the 2021 data we included to compare on open and closed cases in 2021, we did not start using the current case management system, which was built around 2018 until mid-year to later part of 2021, so a lot of this data was added afterwards. the case management system was also built specifically for sfpd cases around the sfpd processes, terminology and definitions, so it wasn't something that was a automatic fit for sheriff cases, but we built processes to make the case management system work because it is better to have all this data automated then not in a automated system. that decision was made in the middle of 2021. what we ended up with however when we looked at the 2021-2022 data was some of the terminology and classifications used entering data in 2021

was slightly different then 2022. for example, classifying referrals, which is what we call cases that we receive or report from the public or the sheriff office about a misconduct case that we ultimately determine that the dpa does not have jurisdiction over under the letter of agreement, and we end up referring the case back to the sheriff department internal affairs unit for investigation. that can sometimes occur on its face when we look at the complaint itself and clearly not within our letter of agreement, but sometimes that takes a number of investigative steps to make that determination. as you are aware, our letter of agreement gives jurisdiction over use of force with injury, use of force with weapon, and those are not readily clear in the complaints. we may have to go back to get medical

records, conduct interviews and look at surveillance video to see if there is a injury or whether a weapon was used and sometimes that is a considerable investment of investigative resources before we make the referral. there is a lingering question at what point do we consider that a referral or is that a case we investigated and closed. what we did to the last meeting to this one is data reconciliation to make sure we capture everything using the same terminology nomenclature and classifications so we have a better apple to apple comparison of data for all of you. this slide represents a very very broad overview of some of our 2022 statistics. as we continue to work with this board, we hope that you will share with us what kind of data is important to this board so we can refine our data capabilities, capture

and reporting of statistics. this is a very broad overview that has different ways of calculated sustained rates. we can look from the perspective of case sustained rates which is 42 percent, 5 audited 12 cases we investigated and closed in 2022 resulted in sustained allegation. you can look at it deputy sustained rate, which is a number of deputies we investigated on closed cases in 2022 and that was 99 deputies. we sustained or make findings to sustain 11 deputies there. the allegation sustain rate is another way of computing it, which is out of hundred allegations investigated and closed, there were 20 sustained allegations. we are not ascribing any particular weight to the calculations,

these are just numbers. ultimately we like you're feedback what is the most valuable data and way to present it for this board. we included also something that is increasing year over year, which is the amount of time our investigators have to go over a video footage. many investigative arenas with advancement in technology and how cameras are, [indiscernible] that is also growing as the sheriff department enhances and augments surveillance system as well as deploy more and more body worn camera there will be more and more camera footage and as you can see, 416 hours dedicated in 2022 represents about 20percent of full time investigator's work here. i also want to make a note and provide a

little more context to this data. obviously numbers don't tell the full story as to the type of investigations that we have been working over the past few years. because the investigations only involve serious cases under the letter of agreement there is a high concentration of very serious and complex investigations and all them expand considerably from the initial complaints. in the sheriff setter, often times a single call for help will result in a entire platoon of sheriff deputies responding to a scene. in sfpd you may get smaller cases where you have a discourteous officer in a traffic stop or delayed response to a low priority call for service. with the sheriff

investigations, these cases grow considerably because every time there are as many deputies that respond to a scene, adds a lot of complication, body worn camera footage gets obscured when a number of bodies in close contact start making contact and not providing as much clarity as a body worn camera would provide from further away. >> i have a question. >> yeah. >> what is the one investigation that--was there one investigation that wasn't about deputies? >> all the investigations are about deputies because the letter of agreement only allows to investigate sworn members so we don't have any investigations on non sworn members. >> why is there hundred investigations allegation investigations and 99 deputies investigated? are you talking the number of counts of allegations? >> counts of allegations. there are two separate data points. >> thank you. >> what is sustained

mean? >> great question. for the purposes of this report, sustained means that that is our investigative finding. that is not the final determination. the final determination of a sustained finding is defined under penal code 832.8 which is after all the appellate remedies or appeals processes have been finalized. that is something that we find very challenging to compute because we don't have direct access to the sheriff's appeals data and often times the appeals can actually pend for years. we actually without disclosing particular details have been involved in arbitrations from incidences 5 years ago so it is a slow process and often times it is hard to correlate the years findings with the ultimate determination as defined by the penal code.

there is going to be a lag between what our determinations are in the investigations, what we send to the under-sheriff who makes the initial determination whether she concurs or disagrees after the investigation and the case summary report. i would say that since the time i have been there and in reviewing past investigations before my time, we have an extremely high concurrence rate with the under-sheriff in terms of sustained findings. that is promising and also indicative of i think a very complete investigation. >> concurrent meaning like what you are finding they are also finding on their end? >> yes. after we make our investigative determinations, we issue 1 to 5 findings consistent with the way the sheriff issues their findings. there is an appendix in the back that provides definitions from the

sustained, not sustained, exonerated and so forth. that report and that investigation and all the investigative materials including all our interviews and everything that we took into consideration is sent over to the under-sheriff first. the under-sheriff reviews everything and makes a determination, does she concur with our findings or disagrew with them and that is where the under-sheriff arrived at the same conclusion. >> okay. just since you pointed out that some of these cases could have started from 5 years ago, i think it is helpful to kind of parse out the-what cases were started in 2022 and maybe years past as ongoing. >> definitely. we will probably have to consult with sheriff legal and city attorney office how we might be able to share data

related to specific cases that are--that have the confidentiality afforded to it under 842.7, but what we can figure out is how much we can anonmize it and if the board wishes to have more details when -whether we can go into closed session to share the information or details. >> thank you. >> this next slide is simply a graphical representation of the cases opened to give you a idea of from 2021 we had 24 cases, 2022, we opened 21 cases. also gives you the number of cases per quarter. these are relatively small numbers. i would find it difficult to draw any particular conclusions from these sutistics. what i can say, an

icdotally this year we have seen a significant increase in our work load. increase in number of complaints, increase in number of investigations we are taking on. in the first half of 2023, we opened 23 cases so in 6 months we opened all most the same number of cases we opened annually for the full year of 2021 and 2022. we are on track potentially opening 40 cases. a lot can be attributed to the work of this great board and bringing attention to the services we are able to provide for sheriff oversight. similarly, the next slide is a graphical representation of the cases that have been closed in 2022 and all these cases represent in terms of the case closures with few exceptions that where

the timeline is told under government code 3034. all of them will be relatively within 270 days which under the letter of agreement we have 9 months to close the investigation. the 2022 cases you expect vast majority of them to have occurred or reported and started that statutory timeline within 9 months to a year. these are some graphical representations of cases closed by quarter. we closed 20 cases in 2021 and 12 cases in 2022. in the first half of 2023 alone, we closed 11 cases, so i think with some additional oversight and some tweaks to our efficiency, we are also increasing our productivity. year to date from january to september now we closed 15 cases this year. the numbers are

relatively small, so hard to --this year we added three death investigations so a total of 4 death investigations. [indiscernible] one a tragic vehicle pursuit. this next slide captures the demographic data of the complainant as reported. 67 of the complainants provided their demographic information. that means nearly 7 out of 10 provided their background information as to race, gender and age. this is completely optional so the data is self-reported from the complainant. 43 percent of our reports were referred-were made to

the sheriff office and referred to the dpa, 33 percent referred directly to us or made directly to us by phone. our most frequent demographic for race is 38 percent black or african american, 67 percent male and 33 percent age group 20-30 years of age. i would also note that the complainant isn't always necessarily complaining about themselves. it could be a complaint about somebody else in the jails. the complainant could be a family member of somebody in the jail or somebody that witnessed something. whatever that is worth, that is part of ourf demographic data for complainants. our case findings. as i indicated, we issue 5 investigative findings consistal

with the sheriff policy of exonerated, not sustained, sustained, unfounded or no findings, the definition is in the appendix. we also-one of the determinations that we struggled to classify a bit is referrals. again, when do we call it a referral? it is easy when it is clear on a space that it is referral, but when we investigated months of investigative resources to it, that should be represented as a work-load as well. i would also point out that these definitions along with definitions for allegations and classifications for the types of wrongful conduct are also all included not only in our appendix but more expansive definition within the sheriff policy itself. one thing that i thought was noteworthy with the highest

percentage, 65 percentx onerated, 20 percent sustained, but also we have a very very low not sustained rate of 2 percent. by happenstance it happened that these are out of a hundred allegations so the percentages correlate to cases. because, not sustained is basically an insufficiency of evidence to make a determination one way or the other. i think this is a good reflection that the investigators put immense amount of work to reaching a well-founded conclusion based on evidence, rather then simply falling back on there, there isn't enough evidence to make a determination. that is the advancement that probably allows us the greatest clarity in resolving these types of challenges is surveillance evidence.

this next slide will probably be difficult to see from a distance. hopefully you all have copies of this presentation. it is basically a breakdown of the various allegations that we investigated. the top 3 allegations raised, number one is unnecessary force, 2, retaliatory behavior and 3, the improper use of safety. the top 3 is failure to check on inmate in a safety cell and inaccurately filling out safety cell observation sheets. i would say that-unnecessary force is a-the top allegation reported, it is also the most challenging that our investigators find to resolve.

this next slide represents allegations as classified into the type of improper conduct. again, these definitions are included in the appendix. the top or 20 sustained allegations fell into three categories, misconduct, unacceptable job performance and neglect of duty. >> do we know how many of these happened during over-time period? >> no, we never looked into that and that's a good point. as we all know, lengthy and extended overtime as a considerable amount of stress but we never tracked misconduct allegations as it relates to whether it is regular shift or overtime, but-- >> the location and the shift. >> we do track locations and able to go back and cross

reference shifts so we might be able to see whether or not that data is readily accessible or something that we might want to start tracking in the future. >> because if you can track and present information on the pods of the location of the jail and the shift, we could then determine from the sheriff department records whether deputies were working overtime there. i think it is a good point to gauge. >> in terms of trends, it might be-i don't know if it is hard to get the data, but i think in the last few years there is tremendous overtime so we would have to go back 5 or 6 years. i think deputy may be able to speak to this. now there is not voluntary overtime, but mandatory so know it isn't uncommon for deputies to have 3, 16 hour days in a week. is that correct? >> i have to go back and look, but we could

get drafted--2, 3 times a week and-- [indiscernible] >> but your maximum day is 12 hours so if you get drafted--16. >> [indiscernible] >> but if a regular shift would be like 12 hours, and if you added the drafting it is maximum 16 hours? >> we have 12 hour shifts at county jail 2 and then we have 8 hour shifts at pretty much everywhere else. we also have 10 hour shifts as well, specifically at different locations, so but the majority is 8 hour shifts. >> i think it would be useful to receive a breakdown of location. specifically as you can provide it. where the incidents originated, the shift,

the number of deputies involved. i don't know if you can also provide their rank and if you can categorize the type of situation that was involved. i don't know whether you gather that data. >> we'll be able to from the complaints we classify under a variety of different allegations that fall into misconduct. >> give us a idea where the friction points are and maybe looking over time to see whether the increase-where complaints are increasing and when they are increasing and what are the situations where you are seeing more complaints now then you did last year. >> okay. we'll go back to the data to see if we have that in our data pool or what we might need to cross reference but we heard the concern of the amount of overtime and perils it places on

the deputies and safety of the jail, so we'll delve into this. >> let me ask you, when you reach sustained finding, the agency where i work, we prepare a memo of aggregated and mitigating factor and a mitigating factor might be the fact the deputy had been working overtime three days in a row. do you compile anything like that with reports? >> no. not formally as aggregation or mitigation but in the narrative of our reports we have indicated agigating and mitigating circumstances. the letter of agreement doesn't allow us to delve into what the discipline should be. that is office of the inspector general may be able to provide more insight into, because the charter also provides that this department will be recommending discipline like we do for sfpd.

>> thank you. >> i have another question on sustained cases. do you actually code in particular if the deputy or deputies were following policy protocol or whether they there is a policy violation? this gives insight on what policies we need to consider amending or including? >> yes, all the allegations are tied to a very specific policy i what the violation was. >> and then, since there has been like a over-haul of the sheriff policies, all the deputies are required to abide by the new policies, correct? >> yes. moving forward, but as we look at the cases that pre-date the policy, we operate under the policy that was at the time out of fairness and notice and due process.

>> great. thank you. >> i have a question. the allegation findings slide, just because of--this is helpful to know prioritization of what types of allegations. do you track which officer did that or is that something that is you guys are not privy to? >> every single incident we-the goal of the investigation is determine every act by every officer involved and they are separated out in terms of what they individually did and what they did together. one of the big challenges in close quarter of group is trying to attribute every grid-lock, every leg strike, hand strike, hold to each deputy. that requires often times a lengthy careful study of all the available video as well as very detailed interviews. >> i guess what i'm

getting at,b if there is a any overlap with a particular employee that was like maybe had multiple unnecessary force incidents. >> certainly. the beauty of all this being automated, if you enter a employee name you will see an entire history there. we are aware. these are things that are confidential unless they fall into the categories under senate bill 1421, 16 and 2. >> i have a question. the under-sheriff is responsible determining what the disciplinary will be? >> for the investigative determination and then those findings are forwarded i believe to-i believe it goes through sheriff legal to under-sheriff the,

under-sheriff makes the factual determination, sends to the sheriff for disciplinary review. >> do deputies that get sustained findings, do they still get their pension or does that part of disciplinary action? i don't know if is a appropriate question, but i'm curious. >> that i don't know the answer to. >> i could answer that. >> probably deputy nguyen can answer better then me. i think you have to commit a crime. >> speaking as someone who has a city pension, you have a contractual right to your pension so i believe unless you are convicted of a crime of moral turpitude and vested in the system you are still entitled to your pension. >> [indiscernible] >> thanks.

>> very briefly, this slide is more detail into the type of improper conduct. our last substantive slide. wanted to provide as requested share a update and provide this board with progress report on what the dpa has been doing to support this board and to assist with building infrastructure for-- >> i do have question. i asked for demographic information on members--such as length of service, age, race. >> that isn't automatically tracked in our system. we would have to go to personnel records to cross reference all that. i'm not sure if we have direct access to the those records. >> isn't that tracked for sfpd officers? >> i believe they are tracked for sfpd

officer but we act under the auspice of the letter of agreement and only provided the information that we negotiated in the letter of agreement. >> is this information on your website? >> this information, yes. as i was-i'm going to lay out where to find the statistical information. >> has it been publicly disclosed prior to the presentation to this board? >> yes. in this portion as i'll explain, starting january this year we started publicly reporting on sheriff investigation data and we have been building upon that, so it has been a iterative process. the case management system wasn't originally built for sheriff cases, so we have to work around some parts of the system to make it work for sheriff work

processes as well as fit the terminology and classifications we use for sheriff cases, but as you see on our website, starting january in our monthly reports you see the monthly data of cases coming in and i think some time a little later maybe may, june, the data pool keeps getting expanded. demographic information is on there as well now. >> is that presented separately from complaints about san francisco police officers? >> it is on the same report. >> you might want to separate them out for the ease of the public to find them because they are separate departments. i looked at the website and didn't find information about the sheriff department investigations and so someone looking for that probably-because it is separate function and separate department, might be useful to separate

those out. >> we had a discussion about that. one big issue and we don't have a data analyst dedicated to this work. we don't even have specific investigators that are specifically paid for this work. they bill back to the sda for their investigative hours, but they are not on this particular pay roll. we are struggling for resources in building reports. all of the folks that are currently doing this work, this is adding additional work to their current work load, which is why it is currently reported and the link is included on the presentation. >> i wanted to thank you for being budget conscious for us, because if we had to build a entire system from scratch. want ed to thank dpa

for doing that. couple immediate questions. in terms of the most egregious cases that could be referred to a da office, would you do that or does it go through the under-sheriff first? >> if you are talking about a investigation that yields potential criminal conduct, that is under the letter of agreement requires to refer back to the sheriff criminal investigative unit for investigation. as you are aware, we don't have neither the jurisdiction nor legal authority to conduct a criminal investigation, but of course in the administrative investigation we may uncover potential criminal misconduct, but there is also very specific rules on fire walling administrative investigations from criminal investigations, because the administrative interviews are protected which are considered compelled

and not voluntary statements and if you have commingled of evidence you can potentially compromise a criminal investigation and criminal prosecution. it is currently built such that any time we uncover potential criminal conduct it is referred back to the sheriff department criminal investigative unit and they are then responsible for conducting the criminal investigation and making appropriate referrals to the appropriate prosecuting agency. as you are also aware, not all will necessarily go to san francisco da office, san bruno is san mateo jurisdiction. >> we are out of time so we need to continue the rest of this line item, and do we have a motion to continue the rest of this line item along with line items 9, 10 and 11 to the next meeting? >> i'll make that motion. >> do we have a second? >> second. >> thank you.

all those in favor? >> aye. >> thank you. we will call line item 12 now, general public comment. at this time the public is welcome to address the board up to two minutes on items that did not appear on this afternoon's agenda or within the subject matter jurisdiction of the sheriff department oversight board. during public comment neither personnel or board members can respond to the public but may provide a brief response. general public comment is for items that did not appear on tonight's agenda. those present, please line up at the podium. those not present call the number and use the access code and follow the prompts to be added to the queue. there appears to be no general comment. >> i just wanted to ask-thank chief of staff for such a thorough job. this is a great

presentation, easy to read and think the public is going to benefit from seeing this. >> before i believe and next time i have one more slide, i'll leave you with the literature we produced. we still have to get the funding to produce more of them, but this provides information about the services dpa currently provides for sheriff oversight. >> thank you. >> i do have a question for city attorney. are we the persons that are-are we the body responsible for the budget that can give them more money or is that through the sheriff because i know they have a mou. >> [indiscernible] >> i see. i see. >> [indiscernible] any city department can work [indiscernible] >> okay. >> but there are some

things that are within our budgetary control now? we actually--we had dan make a presentation to make sure we got some kind of funding to continue and dan is sort of our only person who wears 3 our 5 hats as working for us essentially. so, we do have some control over the budget. the other thing too, i think before we leave is, depending what we are called down the road and maybe--are we at future items yet? >> no, we continued everything else. we need to close the meeting. >> the sheriff-the investigators at dpa doing investigative work on sheriff cases are billing back to fda under work order. >> yeah. and then that leads to down the road since we are public here. figuring what we are called because we are referred to so many different ways in the

charter, what the mayor office calls us and the budget, what we call ourselves, so i think we need a solid identity. i tend to follow the money, so however we are getting funding maybe we need to go under a particular acronym being used by the mayor office, but that may require a charter cleanup then because we are at sdob under the chart er and the sheriff no longer call themselves the sheriff department but the sheriff office. >> it is your position charged back to just as the investigator position? >> i'm fully funded as special project. >> the mou dan signed that runs out this month, what happens when that runs out. >> as of the new fiscal year, i'm not billed against fda. >> okay. you are under the dpa budget?

>> yes. >> okay, good. >> motion to adjourn. >> second. >> all those in favor? >> aye. >> any nays? meeting is adjourned at 459. [meeting adjourned]

>> shared spaces have transformed san francisco's adjacent sidewalks, local business communities are more resilient and their neighborhood centers are more vibrant and mildly. sidewalks and parking lanes can be used for outdoor seating, dining, merchandising, and other community activities. we're counting on operators of shared spaces to ensure their sites are safe and accessible for all. people with disabilities enjoy all types of spaces. please provide at least 8 feet of open uninterrupted sidewalk so everyone can get through. sidewalk diverter let those who have low vision navigate through dining and other activity areas on the sidewalk. these devices are rectangular planters or boxes that are placed on the sidewalk at the ends of each shared space and need to be at least 12 inches wide and 24 inches long

and 30 inches tall. they can be on wheels to make it easy to bring in and out at the start and the end of each day. but during business hours, they should be stationary and secure. please provide at least one wheelchair accessible dining table in your shared space so the disability people can patronize your business. to ensure that wheelchair users can get to the wheelchair accessible area in the park area, provide an adequate ramp or parklet ramps are even with the curb. nobody wants to trip or get stuck. cable covers or cable ramps can create tripping hazards and difficulties for wheelchair users so they are not permitted on sidewalks. instead, electrical cables should run

overhead at least ten feet above sidewalk. these updates to the shared spaces program will help to ensure safety and accessibility for everyone, so that we can all enjoy these public spaces. more information is available at sf.govt/shared spaces. >> i don't think you need to be an expert to look around and see the increasing frequency of fires throughout california. they are continuing at an ever-increasing rate every summer, and as we all know, the drought continues and huge shortages of water right now. i don't think you have to be an expert to see the impact. when people create greenhouse gases, we are doing so by different activities like burning fossil fuels and letting

off carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and we also do this with food waste. when we waste solid food and leave it in the landfill, it puts methane gas into the atmosphere and that accelerates the rate at which we are warming our planet and makes all the effects of climate change worse. the good news is there are a lot of things that you can be doing, particularly composting and the added benefit is when the compost is actually applied to the soil, it has the ability to reverse climate change by pulling carbon out of the atmosphere and into the soil and the t radios. and there is huge amount of science that is breaking right now around that. >> in the early 90s, san francisco hired some engineers to analyze the material san francisco was sending to

landfill. they did a waste characterization study, and that showed that most of the material san francisco was sending to landfill could be composted. it was things like food scraps, coffee grounds and egg shells and sticks and leaves from gardening. together re-ecology in san francisco started this curbside composting program and we were the first city in the country to collect food scraps separately from other trash and turn them into compost. it turns out it was one of the best things we ever did. it kept 2.5 million tons of material out of the landfill, produced a beautiful nutrient rich compost that has gone on to hundreds of farms, orchards and vineyards. so in that way you can manage your food scraps and produce far less methane. that is part of the solution. that gives people hope that we're doing something to slow down climate change. >> i have been into organic farming my whole life.

when we started planting trees, it was natural to have compost from re-ecology. compost is how i work and the soil biology or the microbes feed the plant and our job as regenerative farmers is to feed the microbes with compost and they will feed the plant. it is very much like in business where you say take care of your employees and your employees will take carolinas of your customers. the same thing. take care of the soil microbes and soil life and that will feed and take care of the plants. >> they love compost because it is a nutrient rich soil amendment. it is food for the soil. that is photosynthesis. pulling carbon from the atmosphere. pushing it back into the soil where it belongs. and the roots exude carbon into the soil. you are helping turn a farm into a carbon sink. it is an international model. delegations from 135 countries have come to study this program.

and it actually helped inspire a new law in california, senate bill 1383. which requires cities in california to reduce the amount of compostable materials they send to landfills by 75% by 2025. and san francisco helped inspire this and this is a nation-leading policy. >> because we have such an immature relationship with nature and the natural cycles and the carbon cycles, government does have to step in and protect the commons, which is soil, ocean, foryes, sir, and so forth. -- forest, and so fors. we know that our largest corporations are a significant percentage of carbon emission, and that the corporate community has significant role to play in reducing carbon emissions. unfortunately, we have no idea and no requirement that they disclose anything about the carbon footprint, the core

operation and sp360 stands for the basic notion that large corporations should be transparent about the carbon footprint. it makes all the sense in the world and very common sense but is controversial. any time you are proposing a policy that is going to make real change and that will change behavior because we know that when corporations have to disclose and be transparent and have that kind of accountability, there is going to be opposition. >> we have to provide technical assistance to comply with the state legislation sb1383 which requires them to have a food donation program. we keep the edible food local. and we are not composting it because we don't want to compost edible food. we want that food to get eaten within san francisco and feed folks in need. it is very unique in san francisco we have such a broad

and expansive education program for the city. but also that we have partners in government and nonprofit that are dedicated to this work. at san francisco unified school district, we have a sustainability office and educators throughout the science department that are building it into the curriculum. making it easy for teachers to teach about this. we work together to build a pipeline for students so that when they are really young in pre-k, they are just learning about the awe and wonder and beauty of nature and they are connecting to animals and things they would naturally find love and affinity towards. as they get older, concepts that keep them engaged like society and people and economics. >> california is experiencing many years of drought. dry periods. that is really hard on farms and is really challenging. compost helps farms get through these difficult times. how is that?

compost is a natural sponge that attracts and retains water. and so when we put compost around the roots of plants, it holds any moisture there from rainfall or irrigation. it helps farms make that corner and that helps them grow for food. you can grow 30% more food in times of drought in you farm naturally with compost. farms and cities in california are very hip now to this fact that creating compost, providing compost to farms helps communities survive and get through those dry periods. >> here is the thing. soil health, climate health, human health, one conversation. if we grow our food differently, we can capture all that excess carbon in the atmosphere and store it in unlimited quantities in the soil, that will create nutrient dense foods that will take care of most of our civilized diseases. so it's one conversation.

people have to understand that they are nature. they can't separate. we started prowling the high plains in the 1870s and by the 1930s, 60 year, we turned it into a dust bowl. that is what ignorance looks like when you don't pay attention to nature. nature bats last. so people have to wake up. wake up. compost. >> it is really easy to get frustrated because we have this belief that you have to be completely sustainable 24/7 in all aspects of your life. it is not about being perfect. it is about making a change here, a change there in your life. maybe saying, you know what? i don't have to drive to that particular place today. today i am going to take the bus or i'm going to walk. it is about having us is stainable in mind. that is -- it is about having sustainability in mind. that is how we move the dial. you don't have to be perfect all the time. >> san francisco has been and will continue to be one of the

greener cities because there are communities who care about protecting a special ecosystem and habitat. thinking about the history of the ohlone and the native and indigenous people who are stewards of this land from that history to now with the ambitious climate action plan we just passed and the goals we have, i think we have a dedicated group of people who see the importance of this place. and who put effort into building an infrastructure that actually makes it possible. >> we have a long history starting with the gold rush and the anti-war activism and that is also part of the environmental movement in the 60s and 70s. and of course, earth day in 1970 which is huge. and i feel very privileged to work for the city because we are on such a forefront of environmental issues, and we get calls from all over the world really to get information. how do cities create waste programs like they do in san

francisco. we are looking into the few which you are and we want innovation. we want solutions.

complaints and not (indiscernible) that concludes today's overview. thank you for your time. >> what happens after a complaint is submitted? when dpa receives a complaint, the first step is it to assign it to a investigator. if the complainant provides contact information, they receive a letter telling them knoo they assigned investigator will be. if the complaint is submitted anonymously they will not receive further contact from dp. >> what happens when dpa finds

a police miscucktd? >> the dpa find misconduct, meaning sustain a complaint, the next step is to determine how serious the misconduct is and what discipline the dpa will request (indiscernible) the dpa does not itself impose discipline and can only recommend discipline in a sustained case. >> what happens if a complaint turninize to a chief nonnob >> if the dpa decides to recommend 10 days suspension or less, the chief of police is the final determner of both whether misconduct occurred, and if the chief agrees misconduct occurred, what the disciplineitary penalty will be. in those cases if the chief disagreewise dpa, the case is over and dpa does not

have any recourse. if the chief decides that misconduct occurred, and to impose discipline, an officer has a right to a hearing before that decision is final. >> what happens if a dpa complaint turns into a commission level case? >> if the dpa determines a 11 day suspension all the way up to termination is the appropriate outcome for a misconduct case, a trial is held in front of the police commission. normally, one commissioner presides over the trial, then the entire commission will read the transcript and vote. if the commission determines misconduct occurs, then the commission also determines what the penalty will be. if you are stopped by a police officer you should follow the officer direction, keep calm,

keep still, and do not make sudden movements do not reach for anything, especially in your pockets, keep your hands visible at all times. you have the right to remain silent. this means you do not have to say anything. tell the officer i want to remain silnts. you have a right to a attorney. tell the officer i would like a attorney. if you are arrested do not talk about your case or immigration status to anyone other then your attorney. do not sign anything without your attorney. do not lie to law enforcement officers and if you are property are being searched make sure i do not consent to the search. do not challenge the officer, you can file a complaint about police services later, if you are not comfortable speaking english you can ask for a bilingual officer who speaks your language and also ask for a interprerererererererere

what you accomplished took a lot of hard work. there was a lot of blood, sweat and tears on that field where you were practicing probably longer hours than you really wanted to. and i know that your coaches really pushed to push to push you very hard, to get to a place where something like this was possible . but these teams are more than just about winning games. it's really about creating teamwork. it's really trying to put forth your best foot and realizing what you're capable of. there are long term relationships that are established as a result of hard work and going through such a challenging time together. and we in the city and county of san francisco, as the mayor, i want

to express just how proud i am of what you accomplish and what you delivered for san francisco, because it's not just about the base ox. it's about the entire city and county of san francisco and what each and every one of you represents. i want to take this moment to acknowledge phil ginsburg, who's going to be talking a bit. i don't think anyone's a bigger cheerleader for the base. oxton phil ginsburg, because. he is so proud to talk about this team, even when you're not present and about what you all are doing and being this all female baseball team that represents san francisco. he, along with our various commissioners who he will recognize in just a moment who are joining us here today. but it means a lot to be here with family and friends, to take

a moment to pause and reflect on all your hard work. i want to just also go back to the 12 you team that even though you came in third, you got to understand why you came in third in the national. and that is a big deal and it is definitely time for you to fight harder and harder and harder and continue to go up the ladder. the 14 new team, from my understanding, they've been they've been working together since they were nine years. i think that's the term that they used. and from the time they were nine news, all the way to 14 news, they had their minds and their sights set on this national champion and they delivered it. and i want to say congratulate to all of you for doing the hard work to make us proud for doing the hard work that even though we know some of you play for teams in your respective schools, you still have to study hard and teamwork and the work that you do to have

good grades in order to play you still take the time out to be a part of this extraordinary team. and i always look forward when we launch our baseball season in san francisco at kimball park. my favorite team to walk by is usually the base ox of all of the women who are playing baseball out there, toughening it out just as much as the boys . so we're going to do two things to really, really exciting things. first, i want to announce that in honor of your win, city hall will be lit up in orange tonight. for all of you. and i want to ask coach burke and coach alcantara to come up forward to accept a proclamation. to all the

coaches, to all the assistant coaches, to the staff, to the volunteers. we want to express our appreciation because we also know know that the reason why you work with this team has everything to do with your love for baseball, but also your love for supporting young people and helping to lift them up and because of your hard work and their hard work combined, what i want to do today is something very special. today, officially , on behalf of the city and county of san francisco, we're going to declare it base day in several cisco. thank you. thank you so much. all right. and at this time, as

i said, you know, if girls can play baseball, men can be cheerleaders. so, phil, i'm looking forward to seeing you in a skirt with pom poms cheering on the base ox team as their number one fan. ladies and gentlemen, the director of rec and park for the city and county of san francisco, phil ginsburg . all right. okay well, thank you, mayor. the mayor says that i am the biggest bay sox fan, but as we all know, the biggest fan of kids and of sports in this city is our mayor who comes out to every opening day at cbl. cheers for the bay sox is loudly as i do in all of our kids so let's make her an honorary part of this team, shall we? all right. are you are you now that's what i'm talking about.

well done, mayor. all right, folks, you're here. you've been in kentucky. you finished third. you won a championship. i think that was that last night. you were no how last week you were at over at oracle with your names on the big screen. this we're having a moment here. bay sox. and by the way, you know, we got women's world cup. we got the bay sox. it is women in sports are having their moment and you know, there's a saying that we like to say is bay sox fans throw like a girl right. amen. amen so a little bit about this amazing history of this program. mayor this started in 2015, and i want to give a big shout out to one of the founding mothers of this program, rochelle rocky hensley or henley sorry, is rocky here is rochelle. oh, there she is.

rocky. rocky played professional baseball for the colorado silver bullets, has been an amazing member of our team. and this in many respects, rochelle, rocky, whatever you would prefer to be called at the moment, you know, this is your dream come true. we started this program in 2015 with one team, 12 girls now we've got five teams. we've got 60 girls, we've got a national third place finisher, and we've got a national championship. so i want to give a big shout out. the mayor singled out a couple of folks. i want to repeat to the 12 and under coaches. sandro alcantara and justice alcantara for can you both stand up one more time? where's justice.

okay. our 14 and under coaches james burke and karen sanchez, a volunteer here. we have a amazing group of practice coaches as well. manny blackwell, dan resnick and vlad hernandez. and of course every program in every sport needs a team mom or a team dad, someone that keeps the trains running on time. make sure people are where they're supposed to be. registers for tournament points is the center point of all the information. and this particular team mom is very special because she is also a wreck and park

commissioner annie jupiter jones is. yes indeed. i also want to sing out, single out just a couple people from the amazing rec and park recreation staff because today is about the bay sox but the broader message is youth sports are alive and well in san francisco. every everybody plays and i want to give a big shout out to our recreation superintendent, nick williams, and our manager of sports and athletics, jimmy chin . so we had 23 or 20 423 or 24 girls playing on these two teams, 24 i think you said about the 12 and under team, all of these girls created such a great team atmosphere. every player was welcomed with open arms. the positive team culture helped

help propel us to an amazing tournament experience. and when asked about the 14 and under, team coach burke said every single player had their moment. it was truly a team win and i don't say that lightly. it was pretty amazing. and before this year, mayor, the 14 and under team that won this national championship had only ever won one game at nationals. one game they put in tons of work and finished as our national champions representing san francisco. and before i close up with a little cheerleading mayor, i definitely want to acknowledge three of our other commissioners who are here, our vice president of our commission, kat anderson commissioners joe halsey, who was very involved in in, in cbl and flame for your entire life, right, joe? i mean, pretty much

at the fire department, you ran the show. did you ever anticipate a national championship for a women's for a girls baseball team? now and commissioner vinita lewis our mayor, our commission meetings, do you think they're serious business and a whole lot of noise? it's basically just a base love fest. all day, every day here at city hall. right all right. so i before i bring back bring up commissioner tim. mom, the mayor asked me to do a little cheerleading this place. we have a microphone, but this place has pretty good acoustics . it's got a big dome up there. they can hear us all over this building. and the mayor hopes that there are still a few people working around here today. so here's what we're going to do. bay sox and fans and supporters, everybody stand up. we're going to raise the roof off this joint. when i say we are, you say base ready? we are. we are. we are. when i say

base sox, you say champs. base sox. bay sox. when i say bay sox , you say sf bay sox base all together. now we are number one. we are number one. we are number one. all right, let's go. bay sox. and mayor. i didn't even do that with pompoms. all right. let's bring up our commissioner , the woman who keeps it all together. commissioner jupiter jones. are you ready to come on up. to the mic is yours. and what i'm going to present to you, i don't have a proclamation, but the mayor asked me to. to bring the magic back. so for each team member, if you guys look outside, you see that little ferris wheel and there's a big slide that's going

up. starting on thursday, civic center gets its first summer carnival, complete with, you know, corn dogs and water ice and soft ice cream and rides and games and for winning the national championship and for finishing third in the nationals. each and every one of you gets one of these free carnival passes which commissioner jupiter jones is going to give out. so thank you. nice to talk you guys. so i didn't know i was talking, but i just want to say on on top of everything else that's been said about this amazing program with its amazing players, it's amazing coaches. it's amazing families is just how much this program could only happen in san francisco. right. because for this to happen, the city has to support it. the city has to believe that girls can play baseball, that girls can do anything and they have to put their money where their mouth is and make sure that it happens and as a city kid, i know that

this could only happen in san francisco. so thank you, mayor. thank you, everyone in this city for supporting this. it doesn't happen without you right? so i'll leave it at that. and i think i'm introducing our 12 year coach coach andrew, to come up and give us some highlights about the 12 youth team. all right. thank you very much, commissioner jupiter jones. i i just want to say when i reflect on the teams i've coached, the most important thing is, is having an atmosphere where girls feel seen by each other and by the coaching staff. and i do want to say that i, i feel like our 12 youth team did a great job of embracing one another, support each other when we had tough times and celebrating like mad when we had good times. so i just want to say 12 of you, i'm

very proud of you and the most important thing to work out and leave with is that we all have this journey of baseball. we fall in love with it. we have big dreams and i want you to know on this journey of baseball , i want you to enjoy it. work hard and remember head, heart, hustle will always get you far, no matter if you go just to the base box, to high school, to college, if you think about those three pillars of our program, head, heart and hustle, you always keep your head in the game. you don't give up on yourself or your teammate and you work hard. even when the coach isn't looking. it'll help you be successful. people and baseball players. all right. and i believe i'm now able to introduce use the 14 year coach james burke, because i'm not it anymore.

uh uh, also didn't really know i was going to be talking for too long, but hello and thank you to city of san francisco and to the mayor london breed for having the san francisco bay sox girls baseball team here today to be celebrated for their amazing special victory this summer. and the baseball for nationals in kentucky. i'm extremely grateful . i was extremely grateful and happy to be able to have the opportunity to coach the bay sox this summer. i've always heard nothing but amazing things about the bay sox. i've had bay sox on my middle school teams and even in rec and park. and when i finally got to step in and be the coach this summer, um, it lived up to all the expectations that i thought it was going to come with the effort, the amazing effort from all the

girls. this summer was just truly remarkable. we were like, hey, what if we practice three days a week this summer? what if we go ahead and practice with the san francisco 14 new team as well? and we just keep getting better and better and better and every girl showed up to every single practice. and the girls, if they couldn't make it to practices because they were breaking other barriers in joining other teams and playing another tournaments this summer and continuing baseball. so again, one of the big things that i really loved about this summer was the base represented san francisco well, and they represented baseball in san francisco well. there's always a lot of talk about baseball in san francisco and the talent. and again, we're just always proving how san francisco baseball does have some of the best talent in the united states. and i love that the base proved that here. i do want to do some shout outs real quick. first to manny, who's sitting there, honjo annie, i saw firsthand how you kept this

program going through all these years. it's amazing what you've done. your leadership is the reason why these girls have won this year and you've kept this program alive through your leadership and the way they just represented everything. so well is because of you. so thank you very much. that was very awesome . also, i want to give a shout out to african park for keeping the program alive. it's been amazing. shout out to the parents. this is a big thing. yeah. um, i'm firsthand knowledge. what i'm saying. if the parents all support and create a positive atmosphere, teams can do wonders. and because of that, the base ocs were able to do what they did this summer and do so well. the culture was just amazing. and again, shout out also to all the past players of the bay sox and the current president, players of the bay sox. you're all

amazing. there's so many cheerleaders from the from the past teams who always come back coach talk up the program team that give back and then the present players today who were keeping it alive and really making this one of the most awesome programs and giving it an outlet for girls to play baseball in san francisco. so again, it was just a really awesome and i said it before, all the girls on this team had a moment. it was truly remarkable. i've i've coached middle school, high school, college and i've won a couple championships and this was truly actually felt like one of the one of the most unique awesome amazing championship wins because every single player on this team did something special to go six and zero in any tournament is hard. we had nine pitchers, three catchers. i can go on and on and on and they did it. they won. it was truly amazing. everybody had a great time. and thank you again for everybody here. great

job. way to put in the effort. thank you very much. all right. i'm back. before we move on, do we have any of our young ladies who might want to say a few words today. come on up. hello, madam mayor. general manager ginsberg, park recs commissioner and the coaches, players and baseball families. my name is simone and i'm the captain of the 14 new team i've been playing with the bay sox for the past five years, and i

know i speak for all the girls in our program when i say that we are part of an amazing organization filled with growth, encouragement and many unforgettable memories and lifelong friendships. playing with the bay sox has taught me many skills, including leadership and determination that translate to all parts of our lives, not only baseball. this summer, we traveled to kentucky for the annual baseball for all nationals tournament. we went six and zero, winning first place in the 14 new minors division. this accomplished. it proves how far we have come as a team over the last few years, despite the fact we were a public and city run entity. unlike most of the competitive travel teams, we play against. last year we won one game at nationals, which at the time was a big accomplishment for us. after losing by a landslide each and every game back in 2021. as a team, we have put in so much time and effort to get to this point and it's so exciting to see our work wasn't for nothing and our perseverance has paid off so that we can call ourselves national champions. we wouldn't have been able to do this without all the coaches who have gotten us to this point. coaches karen, manny, andrew and justise, not to mention the head of our program, annie jupiter

jones, who have stuck with us through the highs and lows of as a team with coach burke able to give us new perspectives this year. so on behalf of all the bay sox team, thank you so much for all your time, effort and constant support. we're also extremely thankful and grateful to have the city of san francisco and its parks and rec department for providing girls like us the ability to grow together as a team and opportunity to represent the city on a national stage. our hope is that the foundation built, which we have been lucky enough to be a part of, will continue to grow and allow us to keep succeeding both on and off the baseball diamond. thank you again. and go sox. hi my name is belén henriquez carillo and i'm the 12 you team captain. and i've been with the base since i was six. i'm lucky to be able to be in this organization for a very long time, thanks to this organization and parks and recs , i've been able to play in five

sf ibl seasons and go to three bfa tournaments. although i'm very grateful for that. the best thing about baseball is the people. thanks to the base oks. i've made many friends and am able to play with people like me now. i can finally have people i can relate with and share the same interest in baseball as me. i also want to thank all of the coaches for being very supportive and accepting anybody, regardless of their experience or skills. that way, anybody has an opportunity to play. bass has had a positive impact on my life. thank you base and i will always be grateful for that because girls belong in baseball. thank you. okay, we have one more thing now . i don't know about you, but i love wrestling. and usually you get a belt when you wrestle or

you box. but today we, the bay sox, they're getting a belt for playing baseball. so so we have some wwf style belts. to really honor the team and to our to our great team captains. didn't they do a great job. so this team is not only creating folks who work well together, but it's creating leaders. so thank you so much to each and every one of you, to all the parents, to all the players. congrats relations. we are again so very proud of all that you have done, which means you got to work even harder. and maybe we make it four days a week of practice next year and so with that, thank you also for coming. and we'll take a few pictures and you can enjoy city hall while we're here. but don't forget to come back tonight. see, this is why you don't give

belts for baseball hall. don't forget to come back tonight and take some pictures of city hall lit up in orange honoring the national champions. the bayside sharks. >> today preezentation is a overview how to file a compliant about the

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oh vice president carter. elias like i'm carter oberstein. i'd like to take roll commissioner walker for president. mr. benedicto is excused. commissioner janez present commissioner byrne here. commissioner yee here. vice president carter wilson. you have a quorum. president elias is excused. also here with us

tonight is chief scott from the san francisco police department and executive director paul henderson from the department of police accountability. could you please call the first item, sergeant at line item one weekly officer recognition certificate presentation of an officer who has gone above and beyond in the performance of their duties, sergeant victor hughes, sergeant number 1370, from the burglary unit. good evening. good evening, commissioners chief scott and director henderson. i am captain mahkota of the major crimes unit and i am honored to be here tonight to present to you victor hui of the burglary auto unit. sergeant hui is a 23 year veteran of the san francisco police department. sergeant hui has more than ten years as a sergeant. over the course of sergeant hui's career, he has had several patrol station assignments that include central police station ingleside police

station, taraval police station, southern police stations, patrol foot beat and investigative unit . in addition to those patrol assignments, sergeant hui has been assigned to numerous special assignments that include the violence reduction team. the patrol bureau task force, the department's specialist team and the organized retail theft task force. sergeant hui has been an outstanding member of the auto burglary unit since its revival in 2017. sergeant hui is one of the first sergeants into the office every morning. sergeant hui is constantly collaborating with fellow members of the department and members of the district attorney's office. sergeant hui treats all victims of crimes who he obviously he is committed to helping with empathy and compassion. sergeant hui is also quick to offer his help to every one of his coworkers and share his skills and experience. when asked. sergeant hui is respectful and

eager to assist when called upon by his supervisors and will also be quick to look for obstacles and potential challenges that his supervisors may need to be aware of. sergeant hui always answers a call from his coworkers and supervisors on or off duty at any time, day or night, when any supervisor gives sergeant hui a task that is supervisor can consider that task. well done. sergeant hui is very well respected and liked throughout the entire san francisco police department and the community in recent months, sergeant hui was instrumental in identifying and apprehending one of the largest stolen property fences in san francisco in this investigation, hundreds of stolen electronics were recovered, so far, over 50 victims have been located in reunited reunite with their property. these items include but are not limited to laptops, which in some cases contain

family photos, while other laptops contain hours of work. product most importantly, sergeant hui is a dedicated and proud father. i am honored to work with sergeant hui and i, along with his immediate supervisor, lieutenant scott ryan, and proud to present him here to you tonight. right right. so i'll read this san francisco police department recognizes sergeant victor hui, star number 1370 of the burglary unit. the officer of the week in recognition of your dedication and professionalism, demonstrated throughout outstanding community policing practices and inspiring greatness by exemplifying the ideals of police officers as guardians of our community. such an example of dedication is worthy of the highest esteem by the city and county of san francisco and the san francisco

police department. all right. thank you, sir. thank you. first up, sergeant, just wanted to say thank you so much for your service. no, no, no problem. thank you so much for your service and all of your incredible work. i did want to no pressure, but give you an opportunity to say a few words if you wanted to. thank you. i respectfully thank you. okay. well, your humility is overwhelming. thank you. thank you so much again. and thank you, captain cota, for highlighting the sergeant's outstanding work. i see. i'm sorry, chief scott. oh, thank you, vice president. acting president carter. overstone i just. i wanted to thank you as well. and just for the public. you know, san francisco has a tremendous challenge with property crime, particularly some of the organized retail theft. and, you know, the work that you and your your colleagues are doing on

identifying these fencing operations and identifying really some of the root causes of why people steal in the first place to get money. it's huge. and i can't emphasize that enough. the work that you all have done, i just wish there were more people like you and your team because we need more of that. so i know your family's here and i just want to say thank you, because this sacrifice we call you guys out at all day, days and hours and weekends and all that stuff. when we get these these big cases and you you responded and you respond to the challenge. so thank you. yeah, we appreciate your service. thank you, sir. thank you, everyone. commissioner yi, thank you very much. there acting president max carter was on. i just want to commend sergeant victor healy for all your hard work. i know if you get one victim back to a

laptop, there's joy out there. but 50 people that are reunited back with their laptop and devices, that's outstanding job for you and the team for the, you know, burglary details. so, again, thank you for your commitment during your working hours and off hours. that's truly a commitment to public safety here. we truly, truly thank you for that. thank you very much there, sergeant victor hui, commissioner walker, thank you. i just want to thank you and congratulate you and the entire team. the work you do is really important to all of us and thank the family for being here. i know you're so proud and so are we. so thank you for everything. you too. thank you. sergeant, could you take us to a

public comment from members of the public? do like to make public comment regarding line item one weekly officer recognition. please approach the podium. on acting. president carter was told there is no public comment. next item, please, sergeant. line item two. general public comment at this time, the public is now welcome to address the commission for up to two minutes on items that do not appear on tonight's agenda, but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the police commission under police commission. rules of order during public comment. neither police or ppe personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions by the public, but may provide a brief response. alternatively, you may submit public comment in either of the following ways. email the

secretary of the police commission at sfpd commission at sf gov. org or written comments may be sent via us postal service to the public safety building located at 1245 third street, san francisco, california. 94158. if you would like to make general public comment, please approach the podium. good evening, everyone. i'd like to use the overhead and while doing that, i just want to thank everyone that came out for my son's vigil and all the other mothers and fathers who've lost their children that day. and chief scott, who showed up in all of the others, and your staff that helped out my son was murdered august 14th, 2006. to this day, his case is unsolved. i'm still asking that that they

find some kind of way to solve these homicides. in our last conversation, we were talking about getting other people, another people that you can hire , rehire to solve these cases and also to have more money to for tipsters to come forth instead of this $250,000 reward. i mean, still that's there. but find other ways for the for the for those people to come forth, you know, because otherwise these cases aren't going to get solved. and i'm going to continue to come here until the day i die. i'm hoping this can happen before our my demise, you know, and he has sibley things that he left behind and they're suffering just as well so august 14th was the 17th year of my son's murder. the 17th year is an and that was the 17th anniversary. so numbers are

significant to me. i. just wanted to say, please find some other ways to solve my son's case. not just my son, but other mothers and fathers who are suffering out there and silence, self-medicating. i'm glad you guys are open back up so i can come up here and find other ways to get other mothers to call in because they're suffering and can't come down here. so that's a disability. and with that, thank you. hello, vice president carter auberson commissioners chief scott and director henderson tonight you'll be voting on, and i assume passing 201, which was

sent to meet and confer on may 10th, 202 and 203, which were sent to me and confer on may 3rd, 507, which was sent to meet and confer on february first, 5.16, which you sent to me to confer on march 15th and go 9.01 and hundred and two, which you sent to me to confer on may 17th, not yet returned. and for meet and confer is the you passed on january 11th. then again unanimously on april 5th, 9.07 on pretext stops. there has been no update on how far along the discussions are when it has appeared on closed session agenda. tonight is the fifth time having appeared in february 15th, march 8th, may 17th and june 21st. none of the information discussed was disclosed by vote of the commission when the commission was in favor of this dgo unanimously, the chief was in favor of it. after his added april language and the public showed up to support and applaud this commission when it passed. by my count, it's been eight months. but even if it's only five months, it's still longer than most of the egos you're

voting on tonight. please update us and please stay true to the resolution you passed to not extend the meet and confer process beyond what is allowed by law. thank you. acting president carter oberstein. that is the end of public comment. uh, next item, please. line item three consent calendar receive and file action approval for four members to travel and attend 2023 benchmark analytics leadership conference at a cost of 3804 and 3606. approval to accept cash awards and gifts for the recipients of the police officers of the month award for the months of april, may and june 2023 of value of $6,000. the semiannual report of the sexual evidence kit sapd second quarter 2023. order it for bias kits. annual report sapd and dpa's second quarter

document protocol report and sapd and dpa's. sp 1421 monthly report. uh, thank you, sergeant. i would like to just agendize for future discussion the kits. 2022 report and with that i'll ask if there is a motion to receive and file. i'll i'll make a motion to receive and file a second members of the public that would like to make public comment regarding line item three consent calendar, please approach the podium. and there is no public comment on the motion. commissioner walker, how do you vote? yes, commissioner walker. yes. commissioner janez . yes. commissioner janez is yes . commissioner byrne yes. commissioner byrne is. yes. hear me. yes we got your vote. thank you, commissioner yee. yes, commissioner yee is yes. and vice president carter was still.

yes. vice president stone is. yes. can you hear me? yes yes, commissioner, we can hear you. all right. you have five yeses, commissioner. next item, please. sergeant, line item four, adoption of minutes action for the meetings of july 12th and july 19th, 2023. is there a motion? i moved to approve second, members of the public do like to make public comment regarding line item for the adoption of minutes. please approach the podium. there is no public comment on the motion. commissioner walker, how do you vote? yes, mr. walker is yes. commissioner jones yes. commissioner janez is yes. commissioner byrne. yes. commissioner byrne is yes. commissioner yee yes. commissioner yee is yes. vice president carter ulverstone yes . vice president carter is yes. you have five yeses. line item five chief's report discussion weekly crime trends and public safety concerns provide an overview of fences, incidents or

events occurring in san francisco. having an impact on public safety commission discussion on unplanned events and activities. that chief describes will be limited to determining whether to calendar for a future meeting. chief scott thank you, sergeant youngblood. good. good evening. acting president carter stone commissioners executive director henderson and the public. i'll start this week's report off by saying hope everybody had a great recess. there has been some activity to report on in the month that we were off. we had a couple of homicides that we're still actively working on, including one that i'm going to talk a little bit more in detail about this stemmed from an incident that happened on august 24th, 2023. this was in the 3900 block of richmond road. and the victim who worked at a convenience store confronted a subject who attempted to leave the store with merchandise. the owner armed himself with a

baseball bat and moved toward the front of the store when he realized the subject attempted to leave without paying the subject, took the bat from the victim and struck the victim several times, including in in his head. the subject then fled in a vehicle that was that had been parked outside the vehicle. the victim was transported to the hospital and actually passed away from the injuries about five days later, on august 28th. and this was a really, really sad, sad occasion. i mean, this is really a worst case scenario for what was started out as a basically a grab and run that ended up in the death of this employee. this this needless death of this of this this man. and we're going to do everything we can on this case to try to bring to justice the person that did this, but highlight eating some of the work that sergeant huey and his team are doing in

terms of addressing retail theft. you know, many of these these crimes these days are ending up with people are are are offenders pulling out guns, firing shots and things of that nature. and it's become more brazen and more violent. so it's really something that we have to deal with as a community and definitely as a police department to bring these folks to account on these types of crimes. but it's just a really sad case. in addition to that, there were two non fatal shootings to report this week. one, the 20 on the 30th of august at 11:06 a.m, 25th in connecticut in the bay view, the victim was just in the area when he heard a pop and then realized he had been shot. he transported himself to the hospital. no arrest has been made on that case. and officers and investigators are following up on leads. the second one is the 1600 block of casada. this occurred on september 1st at 7:31 p.m. officers responded to third and casita after receiving

multiple shotspotter activations and located several spent casings. two victims self transported to the hospital in stable condition with gunshot wounds. they are. there is a lot of investigation going on on this as well. so we're trying to determine if this is tied to other violence that we've seen in san francisco and in neighboring cities. but at this time, we have not been able to confirm that. a couple of significant arrests to report by really good police work this first one on september 4th, 2023, is. 7:04 p.m. the 1000 block of post street in the northern district. officers assigned to the community violence reduction team were in the area and saw an individual matching the description of a wanted subject near in a nearby vehicle. as a part of the investigation. it was discovered that that vehicle that i just mentioned was stolen. however the individual in the vehicle was not the subject currently

being investigated by ckvr-dt as such, the officers requested that the northern officers to respond to assist with a vehicle stop on the stolen vehicle as the uniform officers attempted to detain the person in the stolen vehicle. the subject intentionally rammed his vehicle into the unoccupied patrol car and an unoccupied marked police vehicle and two parked private vehicles. the subject then drove onto the sidewalk, then turned his vehicle toward an officer. however the vehicle became lodged between a light pole and a building. the subject exited the vehicle and a short foot pursuit ensued and the subject was placed under arrest for driving the stolen vehicle. aggravated assault on a police officer and three active warrants for his arrest, including a robbery warrant, a carjacking warrant and a shoplift warrant. the subject was booked into custody. no officers were injured. the

second one was a robbery. armed robbery at a north port north point. and larkin, that's in the central district on eight 3123 at at 5:30 p.m, two victims were in a rental van when a subject or suspect smashed out one of the windows as they were in the vehicle. and the two victims confronted the subject who went to a nearby vehicle and retrieved a firearm. the subject returned with a second subject, brandished firearms, at which time the two victims, as well as the third victim, returned to the van and ran from the scene. a fleet fled from the suspects. the two subjects proceeded to remove the victims personal belongings and then then fled in the suspect vehicle. at approximately 9:45 p.m, tenderloin officers observed the subjects of the suspect's vehicle and observed that it had a matching license plate and other identifying features that was broadcast from the earlier robbery. the suspect's vehicle

was then followed to oakland, where one suspect was arrested by the tenderloin officers. three handguns, including two many ar style rifles and one semiautomatic handgun, were recovered. there was a second suspect that was able to escape and still outstanding, but really good observational police work by the tenderloin officers . and we got the three guns and the one robber suspect off off of the streets for now. another incident, sexual assault that occurred at crocker-amazon park on 831 715. this one is also disturbing. officers responded to a call and met with a juvenile victim and the juvenile's father. it was reported that the victim was assaulted by an unknown male while in the restroom. the search for the suspect was negative and the victim was transported to the hospital and treated our pd special victims unit responded to the scene and is leading this investigation on

no arrest. has been made on this case. if the public has any information on this or any other case, please call. please call (415)!a575-4444. and i just will just add on this last one that i talked about, that this was a park that had hundreds of kids at soccer practice and the like , and this person was lying in wait in the women's restroom when this occurred. so it really doesn't get any more disturbing than that. but if anybody has any information or again, (415)!a575-4444, you can remain anonymous. it's just general crime information overall crime. we see a reduction in part one crime about a 3, which is just under. two 1200 crimes, fewer than this time last year. the driver of that mainly is property crime. we have a 4%

reduction in property crimes, about 1200 fewer crimes. and we have a 4% increase in total violent crimes, which is about 132 more than this time last year. in terms of our homicides , we are five above where we were this time last year, 38 compared to 35, 33 this time last year. and we have recovered 740 firearms of those 112, our ghost guns, which is a 3% decrease compared to this time last year of ghost guns recovered. but a 7% increase in total guns recovered from this time last year. no stunt driving incidents to report over the past week in. and that is it for my report. i think i'm out of time. thank you. thank you, chief commissioner yee. thank you, president carter. chief, just have a question regarding the i guess, the i guess the theft over on the richmond

district, balboa, where the person was, i guess, struck with his own baseball bat by the suspect was there photos released by the department out in the public? we have put out information on the vehicle that that was seen as much information as we were able to obtain. but we have not released , i believe, on that case, photos of the suspect looking at social media. there were some photos out there. i don't know if it was this suspect or not. so this i'll just follow up and maybe afterwards regarding the auto burglary detail that i think you're you talk about in the press conference regarding having more officers out in these details. i see in in the report from last week, it looks like it dropped about 18, thereabouts. i don't know if

that's the impact that you're having on there is you know, getting more of the i guess you're auto burglary detail out there in in in in force of i guess, the high i guess the high crime areas where these do happen. is there. any report on that. yeah. thank you commissioner for that question. yes. so part of what the announcement that commissioner ye is referring to is our efforts to turn the tide on the car break ins that we see in our city. so we've increased visible patrols and mainly we're staffing details using overtime that we've been given in our budget, particularly in the areas, the tourist hotspots that we see just rampant car break ins. so that is already in place . we also are doing bait car operations. we hope to increase

those back operations. we have made an arrest pretty much within the first few operation hours and this person, we believe, was a prolific car burglar. and we were able to get that person in custody using the bait car. so that's definitely something that we will grow and staff up. and then the last thing that we're really trying to focus on, some of the people and crews that we know just from their past, their past arrests that are continuing in this effort, you know, and that is a variety of tactics to try to identify them and try to really catch them before before the crime happens. but it is a it's a game of cat and mouse, really . i was out saturday and in north beach and fisherman's wharf area and we had a crew out there and. hitting three, 4 or 5 cars at a time. they go to the next block. and although there is presence, you know, we just

have to really focus on those areas and try to saturate as much as we can do that and then run these bait car and other type of aggressive strategies to try to catch people in the act because that's our best chance of solving these cases is to catch them in the act. very few of them we able to solve after the fact, unless we're lucky enough to get dna or something inside the car. so we'll continue those strategies. thank you very much, chief, and thank all the officers who keep us safe out there. thank you. if i can just add one thing. i'm sorry, just a follow up on a question that commissioner byrne asked. i think in june or so with tenderloin and the deployment. so we do now have a night squad of ten tenderloin officers to work on some of the open air drug market and some of the issues we see at night that started this week. we also have a night captain that we're assigning to this drug market operation tonight because we're making some headway during the daytime and it's not solved. but

definitely we're making some headway with all the efforts citywide, not just the police department, but at night time, because staffing has been so low, it's a whole different ballgame. so that started this week. i just wanted to follow up with you on that. commissioner byrne. thank you. thank you, chief, for that. just to two areas of questions. the first one is it's my understanding that the mandate from the city on the covid vaccine requirement is now gone. that's correct. for the police department, yes, for everybody. but is the department going to make an outreach to those officers that that resigned or were terminated and to try to get them to come back to deal with the shortage? city attorney stuff that the police department is undergoing right now. so, yes, we do have a strategy of outreach and definitely working with the h.r. and our city attorney's on some

of the issues. we need to work through on that. but i think the we'll see where that leads. i mean, this is the decision was announced about a week ago, a week and a half ago. so we'll see where that leads. but definitely we are looking into that issue and do developing a strategy for outreach. okay. i'll do a follow up later then, since it is new. this the second issue that i'd like to raise this evening is, is chief, there was a an officer or a member of the department that apparently was compromised on the on the drug on the drug, on the on the drug arrest. and i understand that there's an investigation going on now involving that officer. but i think members of the public, at least i have in our recess, have heard comments that a lot of the public would like to know. the magnitude, how many cases it's have been

affected, stuff without interfering with the actual investiga tation. but but i do think it's important to know the magnitude of exactly exactly what happened as a result. and i'm going to put a request that the matter be agendized. thank you. okay. chief, thanks to the report. just a couple questions . wanted you brought up the tenderloin staffing. can you give us an update on the staffing for folks who are focused on specifically arresting drug users? is it still eight officers and one sergeant or does the nighttime crew that you just mentioned also participate in that? yeah, the night. so it's still eight officers and a sergeant and the night crew will do not exclusively that because there are issues at night are that and then the drug sales so they'll be doing some of that work in

addition there is because these eight officers work you know four day, ten hour week schedule. so on. at least one, sometimes two of their off days. there's another team of officers which is usually four, that will come in and work those issues. in the tenderloin, it's usually four officers at and they do mainly that type of work on open air, public drug use. the. other part of it is the drug sales, which the entire narcotics unit is basically focused right now on this. but they focus on the sales side of this this equation and not necessarily the well, not at all on the on the use side of it. so we're pretty stable with the deployment this night. crew we hope, will help alleviate some of our issues at night. but it's only i think it's six, six officers. so they

can't do everything. and you just have to focus on what the problems are and try to manage what what they can do at night when they're when they're working. so for the night crew at six officers and what percentage, if you know roughly of their time is spent on arresting drug users. i don't at this point. they just started this week and most of the arrests this week have been sales. if i'm not mistaken. but they will do some of that work for instance, if they are, we get complaints quite often where you have a block or a corner that might have 50 or 60 people, many of them users. and so that type of thing, they will call be called to engage on on that type of thing. and some of that is warning, some of it might be arrest. so it's not a one size fits all type of strategy, kind of depends on what they have in front of us. that's helpful. so just just trying to get a sense of the scale so we've got the eight officers and one sergeant full time doing drug

intervention with drug users. then we've got the four folks who are doing it part time to make up for the 40 hour week of the main staff and then we've got a six officer hours at night doing some percentage of their time on on focusing on drug users. okay. and i did see this publicly reported, but i just wanted to ask, it was a few weeks ago just the number. do you happen to know the number of arrests of drug users? and then how many of those folks have accepted treatment? yes, i do. as of today, hang on one second. i think it's a summary here. uh, let's see. year to date, there have been been 467 arrests, and this basically is from when we started this at the end of may until september 3rd, 467. now and that's just for either

public intoxication from drugs or public drug use, where they're actually using in public in how many of those folks have accepted treatment from my understanding, there is one one that has accepted treatment. but and just a little bit more context on that. i know our public health folks are out there. i don't want to get the name wrong. i think it's their street medicine team and they have a team of people that really focus on engaging with some of our addicted population on the streets. and so they do that pretty much daily. they're not deployed seven days a week, but every day that they work, that's what they do. and what i have been informed is that they do have about six people that they're at least doing some type of case management that and that's where the one who actually accepted treatment. and there's one. and then there was

another one that i just learned about today. so actually there's two. i believe so. i mean, i know that's a small number, but we started from zero, so we'll take any type of success as a step forward. and i think it's going to really take my opinion . it's going to take a sustained effort, you know, particularly dealing with addiction in and i think it's going to take both sides of this equation. it's going to take the law enforcement side and the public health and others to really turn the corner on where we need to go with this. so thanks, chief. i don't want to we when we originally spoke about this at the commission, you and i talked about what metrics the department would be looking at to determine whether this new focus was succeeding or not. and we threw out different metrics. and i think you said at the end of the day, what matters is the conditions need to improve. and i certainly don't want to reprise the debate on this, but given the number of arrests

versus the number of people accepting treatment, it seems like so far the strategy of arresting people for using drugs is not been successful. and i'm just wondering, how much longer are we going to continue to experimenting with this before we make a determination about whether it's a good use of resources to continue? yeah and i definitely respect that opinion, commissioner, and definitely i too don't want to open the debate, but i will say this is until some other entity other than the police department deals with this issue, it really doesn't leave us with much of a choice because what i can say with absolute certainty from going to a community meeting after community meeting after community meeting people are just fed up with what they're seeing on the streets. and no other agency really has the ability to immediately at least change to get a person off the

sidewalks if they're if they're using in public or so intoxicated that they can't stand up or whatever. no other. no. right. as we sit here tonight, no other no other department has the ability to do anything with that except for to talk about it at. and i think people are just fed up with the talk and you will never hear me say that the arresting of these folks is going to solve addiction. but but, you know, these are still crimes that we can't just turn a blind eye to and say it's not working. so again, that invitation is open. if somebody has a better idea, as some other department wants to take this on with a better way to do it, that's why we're all working on this together. and i will say public health has been at the table. they. are aggressively trying to do outreach to get people in a position to not have to go to jail. is that successful? maybe

not. now, based on the number of people that accepted services, but another thing that i think i learned about addiction is sometimes it takes many, many touches before people decide that they want to, you know, take advantage of what's been offered to them. so i think we've just got to continue to work at it and continue to put our heads together to look for a solution that works. all right. thanks, chief. i'm going to hold myself to it and not actually reprise the debate. i'll just say, though, that you said you made a statement that there weren't any other ideas. and as we discussed before, this city did commission a blue ribbon commission to come up with ideas . in the very recent past, the san francisco police department was part of that. and there's an eight point plan out there just collecting dust with some other ideas. so i'll just and we've all we've read it. okay. it's a nice report. okay. i'll switch. i'll switch gears then on bait cars, could you say a word on, on on the, the, the bait car

program that was recently announced. and if it's already been fully implemented, the scope of the program. um it's really a resource issue in terms of how much we can do on the bait car. but it has been implemented. um, it's a resource issue. you know, we're pulling officers and investigators off of their regular assignments and they have to work these bait cars. and you know, one of the things that we want to make sure is, as much as we can do this is to do this safely, do it in a way that it minimizes risk to the public. because, you know, one of the things that we see over and over again when officers engage with people as they break into cars, some of these folks will do anything to get away. and that includes running red lights, running up on sidewalks, ramming cars and things like that. so we want to make sure that we do this safely. and i know, you know, there's a general order coming from the police commission tonight that's a part of this

effort to do it as safely as possible. but it's really a resource issue into the scope of what we can do. what i hope that will happen or not hope. what we plan to make happen is we're going to resource this with on duty resource forces and supplement this with some of the overtime we've been granted. and focus on this issue. so to expand this program so we have more bait cars out there and we do them more often. and could you just give a i don't know if you know or not, but just a rough sense of how many cars we envision being deployed, if that if that's something you can disclose? yeah, i don't know at this point. hopefully we the vision is, you know, as many as our personnel resources will allow for us to do it in a safe manner. you know, it takes kind of a team of officers to do this right. so you can't put more cars than you have. people to manage. you know, the operation. so but are we talking about three cars, ten cars, 100 cars? i'm just just a rough i don't

want to. but just a very i just really have no clue what the scope is, if there's just any if there's any kind of rough guidance, you could give. i'm just curious to know. yeah, we don't we really don't have a set number. and you know, one of the things i'll say, you know, respectfully, for the people that are breaking into cars, you know, we don't want them to know how many we have out there. we want them to think that all cars are they're breaking into or break cars. and hopefully that will be a deterrence. but okay. what is the last time that the department used a bait car? i don't know. i don't believe we have used them during my time here. but i think there has been a time where they were used in the past. so yeah, i do have some experience doing this before i got here. and it can be very it can be very successful. and do we so do we have a sense for how things worked out the last time sfpd used? we don't know. i don't know when the last time i'm told that we have done them in the past, but i don't know when the last time. i know

we haven't done them during my tenure here. and i seem to vaguely remember that the district attorney, the prior district attorney did use bait cars. is that right? i believe they did. bait car operation or two. yes. and was sfpd involved with that or not? with the actual operation itself? i think we got in after the fact. we got we were requested to do some work after the fact, but not with the actual operation. they did that with their their team of investigators. gotcha. last category of question. just wanted to follow up on the dolores hill bomb. there was a couple updates that you gave that at the time were not complete because you the department had not yet, for example, reviewed all the body worn camera. and so you weren't totally sure. i just want to ask about three, three issues that were kind of left open ended because the review wasn't complete. so there you made a statement that, you know, there was a lot of parents who came here and said that their child peed their pants while they were handcuffed, waiting to be

transported. and you had said there was you had not seen evidence on that based on the video that had been reviewed, but not all video had been reviewed. there is also a difference in in what was reported and what you could confirm about whether all youth juveniles were mirandized and then whether all juveniles were actually indeed released to a guardian. do you have an update on on those three things about whether you can confirm or deny the public comments on those issues? i don't have an update, but i do believe that those are all part of dpa's investigation and we'll wait and see. and we're doing our own investigation into this. but i don't have an update to report publicly, you know, and didn't know you would be asking that. but i, i do know there's two investigations happening in terms of looking into these issues. okay. fair enough. thank you, commissioner walker. thank you. going back to the issue of

alternatives to the police acting in especially in the drug use issue, and it's one of the issues that i've been meeting with folks in the community about because there is no alternate authority that can respond when someone's breaking the law. and it's not instead of taking them to jail, it would be taking them to a place where they can be in treatment, at least for a period of time. and so those conversations are ongoing, as i'm understanding, and i saw i think i saw today the information. i think one of the supervisors asked for an audit of one of the providers, health 360 to get more information about their their services, because that's kind of the alternate of instead of taking people to jail, it's having a place to take people who need treatment. so are you all meeting with the department

of health and those different departments to really i mean, there does really need to be an alternate infrastructure other than taking the police going to jail. it's not dissimilar from what we were discussing about pre-booking youth. you know, and having a system. we don't have one. we have the one system that books and takes people to jail. so that's the conversation i understand is having with the heart. the department of emergency management to try and create that infrastructure, because that really is what's needed. am i wrong? no, you're not. you're not wrong. excuse me, commissioner walker. and yet those meetings happen daily. yeah. so with the drug market agency coordination center or dmac, as we call it. public

health, all the all the entities that should be at the table are at the table. and every day there are a series of meetings and objectives to try to on the immediate thing is to address what's happening that day on the street. but the longer term picture and the bigger picture is how are we going to find better solutions? so. so those those meetings are happening, happening and hopefully something positive will come out of that. i do think for instance, one of the things that we discussed today in today's discussion was the public health will have a night team starting very soon. that will do a lot of this work. that we're talking about engagement and trying to engage people and deal with addiction and try to get people into services at night. and

that's been something that's been lacking. yeah. so, you know, in addition to what we do on the police side, that's going to be a welcome addition. so another thing is there's been a lot of conversation about. what is the alternative and what does that look like. i know the city does have bed space for addiction programs and addiction services. one of the gaps, though, continues to be how do we get people who need these services into those beds if they're not going voluntary? briley yeah, it's got to be involuntary. and right now there's not a whole lot of options other than yeah, other than there's no other option, right? yeah yeah. that's kind of it. and i think that's, that's the crux because that probably happens at the state level, right? and so until there is the equivalent authority. in a

health care response, then right . all right, great. i think that's it for now. i mean, on the on the skateboard bomb, i think that has there been discussions with the folks who organize or maybe there wasn't people organizing, maybe the problem. but i think that the issue. that came up when we were discussing passing it before was really how to have a different outcome after after they're being held and to get our the our partners that deal with youth health mapping so that the issues of if there were issues of not having access to bathrooms and stuff, those would be helped by our partners. huckleberry et cetera. but those folks were not on duty over the

weekend. they don't work weekends, so are those conversation options ongoing to try and get ahead of this next time? yeah i personally have had one conversation with the director with the director. i mean, there's been a lot of conversations in. our side in terms of just ideas. but one me, i've had one conversation with the director of huckleberry and it was a good conversation, but there's a lot more that we need to really try to vet out to see how we can be better as a collaborative agencies that that, you know, should be working together on these issues. yeah, because i think. there's the issue of the event itself, which it's hard to you know that's one thing but but how to deal with large groups of youth if they're in that situation to make sure it doesn't happen again. right. okay well, thank you. thank you. commissioner janez. thank you. acting president carter overstone. good evening, everyone. sorry i couldn't. be

there physically, but, um, i just am a little limited today. but i do want to follow up on some of those items you just talked about, chief, you know, last time we met, you, you had to be an article about the outcomes that are taking place in portugal. right. with this decriminalization movement. and some of the challenges that they're not now experiencing and what i don't want us to lose kind of in this process is to understand the correlation between post covid, you know, the increase in mental health issues across the nation and the fact that there is an increase.

in substance use across the nation as a result of, you know, this increase in depression and mental health conditions. and so as to max to carter stones point, you know, we really do need to have an outcome in mind that is not further criminalization of a mental health condition. or an untreated substance abuse issue. right and so i'd like to know whether in those conversations with that team that you that you're meeting with daily, that has the institutional partners like has there been a formal conversation about. revisiting the lead program that you had mentioned was in practice for a few years ago? that isn't necessarily about about mandating treat. it sounded more like in lieu of incarceration, you have the option of treatment, which looks very different than i'm arresting

you. you're going. to jail. and then if you want treatment, you can access it. and which we know the outcomes have been very limited in that. so is there that conversation taking place about revisit how to structure a lead program potentially to address this issue long term? well when you say formal conversation. that conversation has happened. it hasn't gotten to the point where we are developing a lead program. but we have talked about lead and the potential of lead in terms of adding value to this this work. you know, as you know,

commissioner, there's a lot of parts to lead and it's, you know, definitely more than just the police department. as a matter of fact, police department got zero funding for lead. and we were one of the for the pilot, one of the biggest proponents to make that happen. but some of the other agencies it's definitely a funding. issue. public health. you know, the both sides of the of the prosecutorial and the public defender's side they all got funded for lead. sheriff's might have gotten some funding. i don't know if they got any. but anyway, i say all that to say yes. the conversation. there have been conversations. there has not been a formal agreement that that's the direction that the city is going to go in it. but we definitely will plan to keep that on on the radar, keep that on the map and see see

where it goes. is great. thanks. i mean, if there's anything that this commission can do to support your effort. to kind of reestablish that effort, please let us know just because i know that, you know, we do need a solution in and we do not want to, um, continue to, to go in a direction that isn't reaping the outcomes that we would hope, you know, here, obviously we want safer streets. we don't want public intoxication, but we. also want to hopefully address the underlying conditions that a lot of folks that are using drugs have. and i know that it isn't solely our department. it is a collaborate nation that that is going to make this impact that we hope for. so whether it's car lead, i feel like we need to begin to advance some of those previous efforts.

knowing that they have had some success in different areas. i do want to have a little bit of more information, if possible. around the hill bomb incident, there was a report, um, that apparently there was a number produced for how much overtime was utilized. something around $443,000. is that. accurate, as far as you understand? you i don't know if it's accurate or not. i do know we did have a lot of officers on overtime. so i think i reported to this commission what the count was. i mean, we can do the math, but i don't know. so i can't sit here and say that that number is accurate without actually doing the math. will. we be getting those numbers anytime soon? because that was one of the explicit questions and requests that we made at that commission hearing a few months ago. yes,

we can get we can provide those numbers. i mean, i think i did provide the deployment numbers. and we'll just put how many of those i mean, yes, we can do that. i mean, i think it's important for the public to understand that when we make a large investment of time and energy, there's a cost attached to it. right? and considering that if it was just 143,000in overtime time, that doesn't take into account the eight hour shifts that come up to about $100,000, maybe even more. so, you know, it's a investment. it's a major investment in an operation that, you know, obviously received a lot of concern, criticism, and some of it merited. right um, without delving into, you know, the investigation that's happening internally and whatever is doing to follow up with individual reports or complaints, as i did ask and i know that i understood. and as far as a majority of the juveniles who were charged, that as my understanding, the cases have been dropped. and i wanted to know specific whether the department was going to be able to clear those records or remove any report or any trace of those individuals who were caught. maybe in a kettling incident. and then the charges were dropped for them no longer to have records. has that taken place? do we know what mechanism to utilize to be able to remove

those records for those young people whose charges were dropped? i believe that's a part of what juvenile probation does already. but i rather than i'll verify that, i'll verify that, and i can circle back the next police commission or the one after, because i'll be in training next week, actually in out of town. but definitely we'll verify that. commissioner because that's very you know, some of the members of the public that came and expressed concern, uh, you know, detailed how difficult it is to remove whether it's through a clean slate program or in any other, you know, avenue that a person pursues. it's really difficult to remove, uh, some of those records from a person's history. and and, and i and i do not believe that the probation department. but don't quote me either. so i think it is something that we really need to figure out so that those individuals that that that do not need to have a record do not have a record for being at a public park during this incident. um, and the last question around this is it's not something that you need to answer, but i understand that and these are different incidents, but i understand that new york recently banned kettling as a result of some of the issues that they had. you know, in the last couple of years in is, is kettling something that is part of any of our protocols and is there any consideration for or whether it's removing the practice or limiting the practice? um, has

that crossed your desk or is that something that you've thought about it. well, by kettling, are you talking about mass arrests? the process of kind of in closing, you know, directing people all into a place where, you know, they will be arrested in a mass arrest situation? um, because my understanding is that a lot of young people, at least per the testimony and i know that these investigators aren't completed, a lot of the young people that were arrested were actually not even part of the hill bomb incident. right. some of them claim that they didn't hear the message. they were just walking through the neighborhood and they got kettled into this mass arrest incident. and so the practice itself seems to be a very concerning practice that will inevitably be at least the way it did in new york lead to lawsuits. right. and so is that something that we're going to consider moving forward, given the fact that, you know, a lot of young people and maybe young adults were also caught in a tattling incident during this mass arrest of the hilbert well, i don't i'm not familiar with what new york pd is doing, but i will say this, you know, we always have to look at and reflect on when we have an incident of this nature or of any nature of this this this scale of what went wrong, what didn't go well, what what went

right and i'm sure we'll have some lessons learned from this. but there is a place for in our tactics in the law, actually, as well for unlawful assemblies. and there are tactics on how you handle an unlawful assembly when you have a large amount of people and one of the things that is supposed to happen is you're supposed to give people an avenue of egress. you're supposed to block streets and block sidewalks so they can use that avenue of egress for those that want to leave and give them an opportunity to do that. i do. we heard loud and clear from many people that, you know, stood in the commission and talked about some folks were just caught in that situation and they were told to go one way and the other way. and those are all things that we have to look at and evaluate and see, you know, what we can do if we ever in this situation again to not have that happen. but i don't think it's a wise idea to say

that we just throw out the practice of making large mass arrests because there are situations having have lived through many of them where that is absolutely appropriate. it's the right thing to do, the safest thing to do and to just ban it all together, i think would be unwise and not in the best interest of public safety. so my answer to you, commissioner, is let's look at what we did right and let's look at what we didn't do as well as we should and then come up with the training necessary to not make the same mistakes twice. if we made mistakes, which i'm sure we made some, but to ban it outright, i mean, i haven't seen what new york is doing and i don't know why they would do that with the number of mass protests that they have. but if they did it, i'm sure there's a reason for it. but i just think we have to have a way to deal with that situation because we do get those situations from time to time. particular when

there is civil unrest and riot type situations and you have to have a way to deal with that. and deal with a large amount of people at one time. and without the ability to do that, you're kind of helpless. so i would say not. we haven't looked at abandoning that, abandoning, abandoning, abandoning. i can't even say the word. i'm sorry. the process of making mass arrests, i i've heard the term kettling. i just needed some clarity of what that means to you, because it means different things to different people. we don't call it that, but we do have mass arrests and we call our tactic encirclement. i i'm pretty sure that i heard the word settlement when the presentation took place. but whether it's kettling or a different approach, it's i'm glad that it isn't a door that we're closing. if you're saying that there are there's still an ongoing analysis of what we did. well what maybe went wrong, you know, i don't want to take that

off the table just because it has led to some grief for a lot of people. is there a and this is my last question on the hill bomb, is there a timeline when we can expect the this analysis of your report? not necessarily the investigation from dpa or internal affairs, but just an update on is specifically these points? well, what went wrong and how we're going to make sure that the kids that got caught up in this situation are no longer have a record. yeah, i think some some of this will come from there's of course there's a lot of people that have to be interviewed. and i'm sure those interviews are ongoing in terms of the public investigation or the public complaints. and, you know, i'm sure we'll learn something from those interviews as well that will help in this analysis. so i don't you know, we can look at this from our own eyes and say what we think. but i do think it's a good practice . i believe it's a good practice

to actually hear what people have to say. and bake that into the analysis as well. and because i'm sure we'll learn something from all these interviews that we'll we'll get a lot of different perspectives. so to answer your question, i think we you know, we'll we'll have it. but to do a complete job, we need all perspectives and see what some of the people who were impacted by this are saying or have said. got it. thank you very much. seeing no names in the queue. sergeant, could you take us to public comment for members of the public that would like to make public comment regarding line item five, the chief's report, please approach the podium. thank you. hi. it was a little long, but it's okay. i should have spoken to the first section of the public comments, but it's okay. as you know, probably now, my personal mission. can you hear me? personal mission is just more like general. you know , i don't can't be specific, but it seems to me that you have to

be a bit more serious. you are attacked on both sides now. you have a mad max. it's mad max raff in the street. i see. and on the other side, you are attack. remember the fire department can't extinguish the fire anymore. what's coming to san francisco might be very bad . you know about this thing? they use technology. so you chief. i mean, the police is here to arrest the criminals. i mean, come on. and you are not a doctor. it's not your job. so we have to stop asking him. what does he do for the drug addicts? i mean, come on, you have to arrest the drug dealers. that's it, it seems. come on. it's objective. whereas, yeah, i think there is something wrong with this autonomous car here. what is this? autonomous car? you see them all over the place . so they take away jobs that are necessary. they take away jobs. now they create traffic and they feel ugly and it's ugly . and it looks it's spooky. it's

coming. so maybe your next car is going to be just a car on his own with guns. and what is this? we don't want to live in this society, guys. so at some point, wake up really seriously. i am here to try my best to stop you. you know? but everybody has his own responsibility here. come on . it's important to understand this. now there is a link for you. please. and that is the end of public comment. next item, please. sergeant, line item six directors report discussion report on recent activities and announcements. commission discussion will be limited to determining whether to calendar any of the issues raised for future commission meeting. could of director henderson. thank you

. so currently we have open and quite a few more cases this year than we had last year. we're at 544 cases have been opened so far this year. the same time last year we were at 468 cases. we have 298 cases that are currently pending and open in the office. we have sustained 39 cases so far this year and mediated 19 cases. we have 21 cases who's investigate? options have gone on over nine months while we continue to work on them. and of those 21 cases, 71 of the cases are told, meaning they have restrictions on where time is not being told or counted either from criminal or civil legal issues outside of the agency. there are currently

still seven pending cases as with the commissioners themselves, pending outcomes and there are 86 cases pending outcomes with the chief's office . in the past four weeks, we've . received 57 new cases, 56 of them were sfpd. one of them was with the sheriff's office, but a total of 104 allegations of those cases, the highest top allegation received 18% of them, in fact, was for neglect of duty with an allegation that the officers failed to take required action for the full list of the 100. you can check on the website. all of these numbers are posted there as well. i won't read all of them to you. i'm just reading the top summaries in terms of the allegations that we received regarding the police department, the top two allegations were for

one, tied three. we each use of force allegations and misconduct related to improperly arresting someone that they don't believe should have been arrested. in terms of the district breakdown, in terms of where folks are getting arrested, the for not arrested, i'm sorry, in terms of the district breakdown, in terms of where complaints have come in about which precincts the top precinct for this time period was the tenderloin. and seven of the allegations came from the tenderloin, the highest eight complaint there were for officers failing to respond to calls for service. the next two are tied with central and bayview. one was as the allegations at central surrounded individual calls

making allegations that officers failed to cite and arrest individuals. and the baby. new allegations were regard ing how complainants property gets released. terms of audit. we are still again the full allegations with all of them are located on the website as well as the numbers in terms of the audit and with the misconduct audit, we are still waiting for the independent review which is one of the steps that must be taken to validate the audit that audit is still with the comptroller's office. i'll continue to give you updates until we get the review back from the comptroller's office to complete that step. once we receive that final report back, we'll provide a copy of that draft it to the police department for their review and for their response, which is the next step in august

, we reported it was reported to dpa that the department did not conduct any investigations governed by. 8.10 and 2022. we are following up with the department on the status recommendation was made to the prior audits. those were mostly about policy clarifications, which are very important as well as the destruction of privacy files amongst some other issues. so we're still waiting for those things as part of the multi prong approach to complaints related to the dolores park hill bombing, we are looking at at rolling some of those allegations that we've been talking about into an audit specific addressing either our crowd control and or event management process. i'm going to give you an update on the hill

bombing again before you get to those questions. in terms of outreach, we did a couple of community outreach events during the break, both with mo magic and with b magic, where we staffed those community engagement events, talking with the community about the role of dpa. and we had staff there at both of the events during the summer. we're also now sharing information on metas threads application is just an extension of some of the social media about things related to dpa of what we're doing, including posts that are on formerly twitter. and we are in the planning process now of a community event focused on mediation. so more details to follow on that. also last week we. participated and had an event with the department and i

want to thank the chief for coming out honoring the retirement of mike nevin, who was the acting captain at the academy, in large part with the work that he had done with our office just as a reminder from 2016, he worked with dpa when we wrote collectively the use of force policy that ended up being the model for the state of california's use of force policy. it's a big deal and we just wanted to acknowledge that work. in terms of the hill bombing, one of the things that we had promised to do was to get the commission and update on on the investigations from dpa as well. and you'll have that update in writing before the end of this week. and in that report , we will address some of the quantified time from the dpa side in terms of the investigation, the amount of work involved, as well as some

of the challenges and outright blocks that we're finding to complete and engage in the investigation. but that work is continue going. we've also been involved. i didn't want to not mention last week's officer involved shooting that we're also investigating as well. so we're in the middle of that as well. there is one case this evening that's in closed session , also present here in the hearing room today is matt stonecipher, the senior investigator. also our chief of staff, sarah hawkins is here and our director of policy. i'd like to call up briefly our newest outreach director, carolyn wysinger, to come and introduce herself so i can introduce her to all of you. you probably received the notification today. i think we sent it to everyone in from the announcement about her new position. but this is

our new director of outreach and i wanted to show her off for all of you. so and welcome her to the work she couldn't be happier to have her here. thank you so much, director henderson, and good evening to the commission and vice president carter oberstein. i'm very familiar with commissioner walker. so good to see you. look forward to meeting the rest of the commissioners and just servicing our community and bringing more of the folks to the table. so we can continue to do the work that you have charged to do. so thank you again, you're supposed to speak for ten minutes. i'm supposed to speak for ten minutes. just kidding. i was just i mean, i can speak for tonight. yes, you can. you can do. thank you. thank you. if anyone else has information that they need to share with dpa, the website is sf gov.org/dpa. you can also contact us at any time for 152417711. i'll reserve the

remainder of my comments for the agenda items as they come up. that completes my report. thank you, director. i just wanted to wish a warm welcome to carolyn and thank you so much for your decision to join the dpa and do all that important work. commissioner byrne thank you. thank you. just one question. i know, i know you're going to do a report on, on it approximately how many complaints has dpr received relating to the officer's conduct on the dolores hill incident? i know i have to get back to you, i have to tell you. so that'll be in the report. how many officers? it won't be, but it wasn't going to be. but i can add that. well, yeah, obviously, i would like to see how many. thank you. sure all right. seeing no questions in the accused. sergeant, can we go to public comment for members of the public? would like to make public comment regarding

line item six director's report, please approach the podium. and there is no public comment. next item, please. line item seven commissioner reports discussion and possible action. commissioner reports will be limited to a brief description of activities and announcements. commission discussion will be limited to determining whether the calendar any of the issues raised for future commission meeting commission president's report commissioners reports and commission announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration at a future commission meeting. commissioner walker. thank you very much. yes um, there's a couple of things that i know. it's been a long month, so i kind of forget some of this stuff that i've been doing and it always seems like we're not meeting, but there are more meetings that happen in august outside of this one. but um, i've been meeting ongoingly

deputy chief flaherty and a group of folks from the department as well as director ellis from the commission on the status of women have been meeting pretty regularly to discuss recruiting women into the force. the next meeting is going to happen. we're we're going to be meeting specifically about the child care issue to see if there's something that we can do to really move forward child care programs for our officers. as i would like to see one near every station we have. i think it would help a lot of people. well, especially with all the overtime that we're asking of them lately. so i'm really excited about that because i think it's really going to be helpful going forward. i've also been meeting to have the discussion about the patrol specials program with various staff and community to talk about that issue. it's so complicated just going through

getting the history and the current status and figuring out what it is and what it we're all going to try and either have it on the next meeting agenda or the last one in september, but we will have it on the agenda. this to discuss what we've sort of come up with in a and talk with the commission about what the program might be for future . there's a lot of issues that come up with the patrol specials just so people know it's a it's a actually private security that has that was created actually at the beginning of san francisco before we had a police department to enforce our laws. and it's carried forward and even to the current day. but it's you know, it's a it's a tool that may may be helpful in working with our partners in the private sector. so i look forward to the discussion about that. we're going to be meeting with the city attorney and.

assistant chief lozar and some of the other folks to get current about just the legal status of it so that we'll have a good presentation to start the discussion here at this level. so i'm really excited about that because i think it might be helpful. so that's my update. commissioner commissioner yee, thank you very much. they're acting president carter. i just want to report that that was out at the chinatown night out today. that was great to see the chief here. and also our new captain over at central station , eric kim. i also want to thank the acting captain, mark moreno , for all his work and keeping us safe in the chinatown. chinatown night out was came about close to. this is the ninth anniversary and we probably skipped two years during the covid. so so 11 years

ago, this decided by one of the community leader rose park, to have a the chinatown community come out and meet the police as well. many of the residents in chinatown live in sros. and it's pretty difficult for them to, you know, travel across a couple of blocks and at night and stuff like activity. so they held it. they hold it at the porch mound square and over close to 500 people are there to tonight enjoying themselves in this beautiful weather. great to see everybody out there in community and building trust along the community and officers. so i want to thank that team for that . also on labor day weekend on saturday, september 2nd, we had our third annual san francisco chinatown car show and parade. so we got to meet the new caps.

and then but there's also a certificate that for our recruiting team that was here. i want to thank sergeant reynolds for bringing out the ford fairlane. it reminds me of the streets of san francisco. so i was looking for mike douglas and karl malden. so so it's good to see that car out there. and maybe next time we'll be the cab. so they have a certificate in appreciation for the san francisco police department. so should i present it to the chief ? thank you, chief. thank you. going to take a picture. thank you. okay.

this is a community based and many of the volunteers and people that came from out of town, they got to enjoy a wonderful weekend and a nice and sunny and festive event. so hopefully we can roll it out throughout the city of san francisco and all the neighborhoods, not just only chinatown. thank you very much for. thank you, commissioner. just a couple updates for me in in early i believe it was early july or late june, the working group for dgo 810 for first amendment investigations was concluded. i just want to thank the department out and all of the community members who donated their time to participate in a five day or i should say five meetings of working groups and provided a lot of really helpful feedback.

i did want to agendize two things. the first is that in the last couple of days, a flurry of communications was forwarded to the commission between dpa and the department about dpa requesting ng documents. that's bw iwc footage and investigation reports from the department in connection with its investigation of officer involved shootings in the department, declining to turn over those materials that were requested. this is obviously a very important issue. dpa has a charter or mandate to investigate officer involved shootings and so i would like to agendize this issue and hear from both the department and dpa on what exactly we the nature of the dispute is. i'm i would like dpa and the department to provide the commission in

advance an explanation of their respective position ions with citation to legal authority or whatever authority they think supports their position so that the commission can kind of take this issue up and we'll send we'll send more detailed instructions shortly on that. the other thing i wanted to agendize is the, the our vehicle pursuit policy, the chase policy . in the last few months, there's been a slew of gray ivus injuries and deaths resulting from car chases and i should say deaths of innocent and injuries of innocent bystanders. i think that we last updated this policy 9 or 10 years ago. i think in light of these recent tragedies , it's incumbent on the commission to take up the issue

and just see if best practices have changed in the last decade , if we can see what other departments are doing in other jurisdictions that may be working better. and frankly, the other thing that i'll just acknowledge frankly about this is that i have seen in various corners of the internet, people blame this commission's chase policy for the recent uptick in vehicle thefts. and you know, this is i just wanted to acknowledge this head on because i think it's something that's that i've seen increasingly in the last couple of weeks. it's something that, you know, i think that our, you know, our chase policy, we should certainly take a hard look at it and see if we can improve it. it can't possibly be the cause of increase in vehicle theft, though. we know that for certain because it's been on the books for a decade. whether vehicle thefts are up or down and

vehicle thefts also happen to be up all across the country, including in jurisdictions that have much different chase policies than we do. so it's clearly not causal. our policy may may need to be improved, but it's certainly not the cause of those of the increase in vehicle thefts. and i just do feel the need to acknowledge this because i think there is an increased desire to promulgate, i think, falsehoods about how the san francisco city government works and in particular how this commission works and blaming this commission for, you know, changes in crime rates and i just think that we should be more forthright about acknowledging that, i think unfortunate political reality and meeting it head on. so i hope to have a good discussion about the status of our chase policy and how it can be

improved in due course that is it for me. commissioner walker. i'm sorry, i forgot one thing. i, i was we were given an email by our, our sergeant to, to attend one of the, the drafting or the, the policy writing departments and we were looking at the specific dgo about drafting dgos and. to your point of the commission being blamed for things, i mean i think that that sometimes we complicate the process of law enforcement a lot in ways that don't work. so it's good to always review them, which is what we were doing with the, the, the dgo about writing de egos and i mean i would i would invite and encourage all my fellow commissioners to go to some of those meetings because

is when you break down some of the egos just the one about drafting and the calendar. and we talk a lot about missing the dates and why aren't we responding in a timely fashion. it's really confusing as to what the time schedule is and the calendar calendar dates are and who's responsible for what. so the more cooks you put in the kitchen, the more complicated it is to cook the dinner. so i feel like i feel like in the conversation about what you're talking about, about who who's responsible for what and our egos. one of the things we need to look at is what is our jurisdiction as a commission versus what is the day to day operation that the chief is responsible for. and then our position is to evaluate the chief's performance. those are really important issues. i think that we need to look at. so i, i encourage us to have that conversation about what is our jurisdiction and what is what is

the day to day running of the department. none of us are police officers and so we can easily sit here and talk about policy and what we want to aim towards in achieving. but i think the challenge is how we get there and making sure we get the data to evaluate. so you know, i think we have one of our most reform minded and focused departments in the country, if not the world. i mean, i don't want to get that big, but i want to be supportive of the reform efforts that we are doing and also keeping our streets safe. so i just want to thank the department for the added coordination of our process of this so that and we got our email today informing us of what a schedule is. and i think that that's a positive step forward to put us all on the same page and keep us in the conversation. so thank you. thank you,

commissioner. i forgot to note two things. first, on the chase policy in addition to a commission hearing, i want to convene an officer town hall so that we can hear directly from officers about their views and their experience implementing the policy and their suggestions for amending it, if any. and the reason i say this is because i think as written, our policy actually is empowers officers to make the decision based on a laundry list of factors about whether a chase is appropriate or not. but i've also heard from officers that they don't feel that way in practice, that there are so many factors that they have to weigh that it's not clear to them whether a chase is permitted. so that's something else i'd like to add to the potential revision of our chase policy and one other thing i wanted to agendize that i forgot is i would love to have a presenter station from the department on on its deployment practices and because i think.

one thing that we hear a lot is the department is understaffed and it clearly is. and that's often a reason why we can't do certain things. you know, there's multiple district stations that don't have, for example, any foot patrols. i'm told, you know, we can't respond to certain calls for service in a timely manner. but then, you know, as we discussed during the chief's report, we do have eight officers and a sergeant assigned full time to arresting drug users in other officers. also participating in that effort on a part time basis, we can find hundreds of officers to arrest a bunch of kids for skateboarding. 99% of them were not engaged in any real criminal conduct. and so we do hear on the one hand that staffing shortages are a reason why we can't do basic

policing, that that we all want, like foot patrols. but we also seem to find the resources to do and engage in certain practices that you know, like arresting drug users that i think have been shown to not be effective and not be the greatest use of our time. so i think as commissioner walker said, this commission has no jurisdiction over day to day deployment. but i think it's an issue that the public is interested in and that would be illuminating for many, including myself. so i'd love a presentation on that as well. and seeing no names in the queue . oh, i'm sorry. committee yanez . thank you. president carter oversaw doan quick report on my end. we did have some ongoing meetings to with the community partner at the community assessment referral center and trying to develop a design and program agreements for pre-booking program. that's an ongoing conversation. it has

been very, very productive. we also so i also met with some members of the community who are very, very interested in doing some cross training around youth development needs. they're very versed in the community policing dgo and have asked for an introduction which i will be following up with to see who the community liaison that the chief thinks is the best person to put this in touch with. um, which, you know, i think it is something that considering the, the feedback that we received after the hill bomb, it's a good place to be able to engage community city in identifying what the best practices are. in addition to that, i did have a meeting also with juvenile probation commissioner to continue to discuss what the what the dynamics and what the

collaboration with the juvenile probation department should look like if and when we embark on this pre booking program, which was very productive conversation , action and the last question i or the last update that i both want to inquire about, provide an update. and then also agendize is, is about a month or two months ago, i think in in july, there was supposed to be an update about the juvenile. draft 701. and as a result of the turnout for the hill bomb incident, we never received a draft update. but i reached out to the contact person there, aisha stephens, and she indicated that i was going to get a draft on august 16th. when i came back from my break, i inquired about where that draft stood, and i was told that we

still can't have a copy of the draft. and so i'd like to note, chief, why i can't see the draft and how we're supposed to design a program with our community partners when we do not know what exactly the concerns from the smes and some of the legal entities in your department that have purportedly raised, but not necessarily delineated. is that a question for question? yes. why don't we have a draft? yeah. commissioner i don't have an answer for you. i will get that answer for you. i did see that you sent a very lengthy email today, but i honestly have not had an opportunity to read it. so i'll have to really get back to you either in this commission , in the public forum, or i can call you after i read your email . and because you had i scanned through it as i was walking out the door, i headed to city hall

and i knew there was a lot of points that you raised in that email. so if you would please give me an opportunity to read it and then i can get back to you either in this forum or privately. i mean, it would be ideal to do it. yeah. in the public forum. i know that this draft has been just kind of laboring in the background there for at least six months. we ended the workgroups. i think in january or february, and for us, not to be able to even view a draft of the draft is kind of concerning. so the email wasn't solely focused on the draft. there are some other questions that i raised there, but i do want to make sure that we agendize the juvenile draft update so that we can resolve whatever concerns have been presented. and that is my report. thank you. thank you, sergeant. for members of the public that would like to make public comment regarding line item seven commission reports, please approach the podium.

there is no public comment. next item please line item eight presentation and discussion on sapd and sparks reports. second quarter 2023 discussion. good good evening, president carter. commissioners chief scott and director henderson. i'm here tonight to present the quarter two sparks report. but before i do that, i want to make sure i go back to quarter one where we were asked to provide the number of bureau orders in our sparks report and i want to point out that we did add a section for that. and there were seven bureau orders that were issued in that quarter. there was one new that was issued in quarter two, was investigated with social media accounts. and that was the only new dgo for that quarter. but beyond that, i want

to make sure that i communicate to you all that we expanded the written directives unit. it's now a division. it's been centrally used for our policy development processes as miss steve so i'm sure you all know through the working groups and other department interaction is our manager and she's taken on that lieutenant role of managing the processes as we go through it. we have three buckets that we are has for units. one bucket will will be be a civilian staff that will manage our working group processes. as we have written directives unit still with and we added a person, another officer for that unit because we've had some personnel changes in the last couple of months, but then more importantly is we have a policy

development unit. we have three sergeants now that will be tasked with owning the policies , will be in charge of writing the policies. they'll be interviewing the smes will know exactly where the policies stand as they go through the process. and it's all centralized to one division. we work directly for. flaherty who then we report to the to the chief. so our processes are now streamlined. they're centralized. we know exactly where we are and where we need to go. and in saying that we're bringing on the new members, we've started to do these workshops and starting to look at. digital 3.01. we have. over the course of the time that i've been here, there has been a lot of discussion about intention of 3.01, the spirit of

3.01. and when we come to the commission meetings, we've noticed that the letter of the 3.01 is sometimes read verbatim and so we are training our new members and ourselves to do the policy and sticking to the policy so that we're on the same page as as anyone. who's reviewing what we're doing. we've invited the commissioners to come out and take a look at that and work through that with us. i am happy to say, and i'm happy to hear that commissioner walker came out and engaged with us, sat through a through a workshop session, and we really appreciate that because we actually want to work with all the commissioners and sit down and work through this, through the policies and get on the same page with how things are supposed to be developed and with that, i'll stop and take questions. should we also should we do dpa's presentation first

and then and then we'll have a joint questions. sure. first. good evening, vice president carter oberstein commissioners chief scott, director henderson and members of the public. i'm janelle caywood. i'm the director of policy at dpa, and i'm here to present a summary of dpa's second quarter 2023 policy work. next slide. so here's just a quick roadmap of our work this quarter. dpa recommended that all sfpd policies be publicly posted, and we made 20

recommendations on three dgos we recommended that the department raise the age of missing children who get an expedited response from sfpd. and we also recommended that sfpd expand its body worn camera usage and provide access to sfpd's body worn camera viewing platform. next slide. okay getting into the details in the second quarter, dpa recommended that the department put all active policies up on its website, including general orders, bureau orders, department notices and unit orders. this is consistent with president obama's final report on 21st century policing , which said all policies should be made publicly available to ensure transparency. see the us department of justice echoed the same sentiment in 2016. in recommendation 68.3. so currently sfpd only publicly posts dgos some department notices and bureau orders that

were enacted this year. many policies continue to remain inaccessible to the public. we recommend that all active policies be indexed and publicly posted to comport with best practices. next slide. this is an issue that's near and dear to my heart. i hope that you checked your email today. there was some public comment that came in from members of the citywide crisis intervention working group and the citywide crisis intervention working group jointly recommend that the department amend dgo. 5.21 sfpd's policy on crisis intervention to require a minimum of eight sworn staff to rectify a long standing problem that's not improved. so currently we my information might be a couple of months old, but i believe there are two full duty officers, one light duty sergeant and one light duty officer. these officer trainings and the field service provided by the cit unit has helped

significantly to reduce the use of force during critical incidents with members of the public. police shootings have also fallen. as a result, the city unit has changed policing by introducing core concepts of creating time, distance and building rapport during crisis incidents. but for the city unit, the department would not be in compliance with many d.o.j. recommendations on. moreover for the city unit served as a national role model for how to implement crisis intervention techniques. it is the embodiment embodied of police reform and it needs your support. we understand sfpd has staffing issues at the same time , we note that the department has had a budget increase and that other police units are growing and new units are being created. add so in the city working group jointly asked this commission and the department to take the necessary steps to support this important unit, which is changing the culture at

sfpd. next slide. we made made 20 recommendations on three dgos as 1.06 duty of superior officers, as we did a lot of work on oh 610 missing persons, which is been overseen by commissioner walker, and we appreciate her involvement. i'd like to thank senior investigator chris chisnall together, he and i made 17 recommendations to update this policy, and he was a lieutenant in the uk before he came to dpa . we also made a couple of recommendations on the traffic ago. we made earlier recommends actions in 2021, but two of this quarter and we were involved in some working groups. next slide. so. participated in two robust community working groups. my colleague jermaine jones participated in oh 810 with commissioner carter oberstein

and both of us participated in the working group for 10.11. the body worn camera policy. next slide. i'd just like to highlight some key policy recommendations that we made that are noteworthy regarding missing children under the current policy, which is from the 1990s, a missing child is only an exigent circumstance requiring an immediate search if the child is 11 and under epa recommended that the age be raised to 17 and under so that all missing youth get a priority response, this this recommendation is consistent with california state law and would help protect teenagers and adolescents from the dangers of human trafficking through we also had some important recommendations regarding body worn cameras through the working group. on 10.11, we recommended that the body worn camera policy be changed to require the command staff, with the exception of the chief to wear body worn cameras when

responding to critical incidents and interacting with the public. we believe there needs to be transparency and accountability for the decisions that command staff makes in the field and we need we believe that they should set a good example for the officers who are required to wear bwc, currently only sworn members of the rank of lieutenant and below are required to wear a body worn camera. so we encourage all members of the department to embrace the body worn camera. we also recommend that sfpd give access to its body worn camera viewing platform because it will help with information flow. it will reduce our server costs as it will provide access with a whole suite of tools, present on the platform, including the ability to watch four videos at once. and importantly, there are no confidentiality concerns because sfpd can still review and redact the bwc as they currently do. but before providing us access. next slide

. and this is going to be a standing policy item. it's very important to dpa in 2022. recommend amended that sfpd form a working group with dpa academic partners sfpd's it division and experts on traffic. stop data to ensure that sfpd systems are up to date. that our traffic stop data can be validated and that officers are entering stop data accurately. this work working group hasn't been formed yet. we haven't gotten traction on this issue and we continue to recommend that the department follow this, recommend action and that this working group be formed as retired chief harold medlock from north carolina said during his earlier presentation on the pretext stop policy. police traffic stop data belongs to the community it serves. thank you. director henderson. yeah, just,

uh. i saw i heard earlier where you were just talking about that. the thing i think commissioner walker was talking about the problems you were invited to talk about with 3.01. was there because there was a whole we weren't. no, i don't think so. we weren't invited to those meetings. so we are we have not been well, how do we have a conversation about the dga if we're not at the table to have the conversation? i can answer that. we had several conversations with with dpa's, your dpa members. they elected not to engage with us because they want to hear from the chief to hear his opinion. the chief can't give us an opinion until we finish the workshops and write a recommendation statements. and so until that's done, then the chief can't give an opinion. so dpa declined to participate in the dpa declined because they said that they thought that they wanted to hear from the chief his position before they would engage with us. that's not accurate. well we

have an email that says so. well, i think there's been a miscommunication. i've never heard of this meeting with this unit, with the commissioner on writing dgos. we have had several conversations with dpa about it. the interpretation and the and the written language of 3.01. that's true. there was a meeting that was called from the department that involved the commissioner was dpa invited to that meeting? no because prior to that they had already declined to engage with us on the discussion of 3.01. clearly we're having a miscommunication . if we can address this offline . all right. thank you, director caywood. thank you, captain toomer, for your respective presentations. i have quite questions for the chief, captain toomer and director caywood. so i'll just start by asking the chief, do you do you have a

position on dpa's for recommendations? so i'll just stop there. which ones? so the recommendations were that all members of command staff below the chief should wear body worn cameras when interacting with the public or responding to critical incident. there was the working group around auditing very buying the accuracy of our stop data. uh. posting all policies to the website. so whether you call it bureau order department, notice and now i'm forgetting the fourth the recommended action. um. yeah. so on the first one, that is the body worn camera policy. oh i'm sorry. and the last one was also body worn, camera related. it was access to the bwc platform. um, yeah. yeah. so on body worn

camera, the policy see, in on critical incidents. i don't see an issue with command staff wearing body. body worn cameras on critical incidents. i do think there are situations where definitely it's inappropriate and but i get the spirit of what that what that is. on the second issue, on the working group and what was the other one? it's to the platform. one of the things that i hope that people understand is we've got a million things going on and we have to prioritize what we have . our folks do an and you know, it's something that may sound as simple as uploading all the policies, for instance, to bureau orders. that requires that we look through decades of bureau orders and clean out the ones that need to be deactivated or whatever before we post them. and that is the plan. so there's

processes and people required to do a lot of these requests and i do think it's somewhat unfair for these ideas to be, you know, launched at us and then we snap a finger and said, drop everything we're doing to do something new. we have reform that we have to finish by april. we have more work than we have people to do. so we have to prioritize and what i would ask is some under standing about when these demands are made, what type of work it really takes to do what's being asked of us so we can prioritize our work. because when we pull people off to do this, something else is dropped. and then we're in here talking about that. so commissioner, you mentioned you know, the day to day operations of the department, which is the role of the chief of police. i think deployment and prioritizing work and all that is a part of that function. and you know, these are not bad ideas, but a lot of these ideas

take a lot of people, a lot of work, a lot of thought in an environment where we don't have enough people to do the work that we already have in front of us. so that's all that i would say in terms of that, i don't disagree with a working group, but a working group to create a platform, to create, to look at stop data. that's not a that's not a small thing. and so let us prioritize our work and then let's have a conversation about what that actually is going to take to actually do that. you know, we get, you know, it's fine public inquiry is fine. it's a part of it's a part of, you know, what the commission does. and i should be answering these questions. but i do say this. we are repurposing our people. we just as the captain just stated, took three sergeants out of the field just to try to keep up with the process. that is five times what

it's been over the last 30 years. so i can repeat this over and over again because we live with this every day. we don't have enough people to do all the work that's on us. so we need to prioritize. thanks, chief. i just just to restate the question, understanding that there's resource constraints, my question was whether you supported the recommended actions, whether you think that they should be implemented or do you disagree and you don't think they should be implemented. so, yes, i thought i said it a separate issue about the timeline for implementation. how many how many, how long it will take to implement. i'm just asking you, do you agree or not agree with the four recommendations made the concepts? yes i do think, though, that the concepts are just that we have to work through what that actually takes . so if i say yes, i agree with it, then we're kind of stuck with, okay, make it happen. and these things need to be thought through, you know, the concepts. yes. working group to talk about stop data and all these things

that we that we have to do. yes absolutely. but that's not what was said. you know, the recommendations need to be worked through is the other part of that. okay so it sounds like you support them at a conceptual level, but with the details, you may you may not support them as currently written, might require further amendments. that's that's that's fairly accurate. that's fair. okay. i think we have to look at what what it takes to do it, you know. okay, great. thank you. i just had a couple of questions for captain tuma. um captain, we obviously we emailed and we spoke about some of the dgos that i've been charged with overseeing about 3.01 compliance and delays at. i'm just going to ask you a couple of questions around things that, that we've spoken about privately. um so as i read 3.01, it, it did look like to me, like there were some lapses for two of