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>> thank you, ma'am. unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush (rah-my-toosh) ohlone (o-lon-ee) who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. irresponsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. elders, and relatives of the ramaytush ohlone community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. pam secretary. >> thank you >> thank you >> thank you speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department personnel. personnel.

commissioners or department personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> 3. approval of minutes: minutes from regular meeting on august 23, 2023. (discussion and possible action) madam secretary my member of the public wishing to comment. >> you can start. >> so i'm going to try to double up briefly. you just (unintelligible) without getting burnt now is the first time i'm talking with you guys the commission i introduced mitch (unintelligible) that's why you

can't play with fire. if you do you're in trouble. so there is you used. >> noun if i understand if you used fictional character called smokey bear since 7 years old we can't stop the fire because those guys behind me - this is a situation don't play with what fire otherwise so if you do that that is - so pay attention. i'm telling you these guys physically i'm saying with the skies are tloem me it is impossible don't play with fire

and, of course, with water the fire the air, no wind don't play with the wind because, of course, - thank you. >>. thank you very much. >> any other member of the public wishing to give public comment at this time? >> and nobody on the public comment line. >> oh, sorry. >> salis retired firefighter from the san francisco fire department. fired earlier due to the mandate and directly to the bottom of the agenda revised binding arbitration i've been told by my fellow firefighters were e gregg surprised scum that

item is, the item item 5 if you speak to item 5. >> oh. okay. and didn't realize that. >> thank you very much. sir. >> my other member wishing to give further comment at this time if not >> . >> 3. approval of minutes: minutes from regular meeting on august 23, 2023. (discussion and possible action). >> my public comment on this item ma'am, advert. >> does anybody wish to make public comment none no one on the call in line and public comment is closed. >> commissioners an action item. >> (unintelligible). >> i second. >> thank you very much.

commissioner feinstein. thank you very much. vice president morgan and president nakajo. >> i vote i. >> commissioner fraser i was excused from that meeting. >> accusing yourself from the vote. >> commissioner collins the motion passes. >> item august 23, 2023, including budget, academies, special events, communications and outreach to other government agencies and the public. >> report from operations, deputy chief darius luttropp. including greater alarm fires

and airport division and. >> report from ems and community paramedicine, deputy chief sandra tong. on that division. >> thank you good morning. >> jeanine nicholson, chief of department. >> good morning president nakajo and vice president morgan and commissioner feinstein and commissioner fraser and commissioner collins sister moreno and our city attorney and command staff. jeanine this is your report since the last commission meeting in august. the autonomous scenario continues with the vehicles a lot of more vehicle we were in the last couple of weeks with the atlanta and norway media group e t four and bronze four and the documentary and were

there during the documentary i was interviewed for so we are keeping up the pressure to make sure public safety when it comes to the operation of those vehicles and chief is handling those meetings and with the operations. so thank you, operations, deputy chief darius luttropp. i have to go to other meeting today at 9:30 downstairs i'll be attending that with her and as well as the d making meeting afterward with regards to the drug martha accountability i can't went are that the district of columbia stand for a program i'll be attending that

as well and speaking of streets conditions. there was some instructions from the 9 get circuit i'm not as familiar as will our um, city attorney jen. several months back more judge ruled that we can't move anyone from the streets unless we have beds for everyone on the streets. so of we had open beds can't ask people to occupy them and not move people away from where we were i don't know how many thousands of beds we need those are the rules that got

changed. >> we can the police can enforce more street conditions and can have people move if we offer them services and shelters this is good news moving this is right direction and street conditions. i know i poke but d mac a lot of good work done and quite a few cases turned i don't know if it is the the federal or state attorney turned out overinform the feds basically quite a few cases from san francisco. they're helping the district attorney but taking some of the cases on which is super helpful for us because there have to be more drugs and

people into treatment in in a long, long time there is a lot of work going on. a pack the asia-pacific economic i forgot the coordination coalition not a conference not the conference so, anyway you know what i'm talking about and the sheriff brown is in hvac with the secret service for your awareness, between i'll say november 12th and 18 a lot of impact in san francisco what street closures and things close down because of the number of (clearing throat) heads of state as well as the

president and vice president and we are coordinating with them when needed and doing our own work utilizing in quite a few was with our ems staffing of with the motorcades ongoing work. in addition to i know that sheriff brown is coordinating with sweeping that is coming up in early october we had a kickoff on monday everything several of us went to myself and chief it's been a long time coming. and buford and oh, and chief or sheriff brown yes. we met the admirals will be speaking and if you never been to the academy of art that is

yeah, that's where that was so - i know a couple of my people try to drive off with those cars were unsuccessful (laughter) if you like cars you should check it out a new fleet week experience with the academy of arts and helped us with videos over the years that has kicked off the sheriff's brown has been working with that for months. then a level two paramedic graduation and that was last week at um, headquarters. in addition, we have continued our proportionalityal process two lieutenant and one explain and

we offered people they cleared the mayors office. so we're able to offer 5 jobs we had a town hall with ems it was on zoom as well as were quite a few of us in the room at station 49. good conversation and good to communicate back and forth between all the boots on the ground and objectives in terms of what we can and cannot do and we're seriously looking at seeing if i can actually help our merchandise that want to become paramedics. right now they're doing it on their own so

is just as looking into stages but i think that is important to support our members education. i attended the festival in the richmond and and firing service picnic in mission bay had some young leaders stepping up there and quite a few of us attended the police department station in china town on the 6. and so thank you all who came to that. and in addition had the police and firefighters this past subpoenaed. >> thank you for attending. president and vice president and

few for those of you who don't know it was originally the fire mass in the 1940s where we lost quite a few firefighters. and it has evolved where we recognize those who have died not last year. and in addition had the 9/11 ceremony and vice president morgan and the lieutenant governor and thanks to martha cohen for assisting. and mostly a lot of what i have been doing of late with some of my stave is meet and grantee for the academy over one hundred and fifty up to that has been taking up a lot of time it is good point those

folks will shape our department in the next years we get to um, you know. get to speak with those folks and get to know them a little bit i have to say there have been a pot of good interviews yeah - we're blown away it is making tough decisions it is good problem for us to have with the departments are not - and for right now that is concludes my report i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> i only have to walk 2 floors down for the meeting. >> at this point any public comment on the report madam secretary? >> hi, again. >> is they're not much you can

do to anybody don't play with fire. you can't play with fire you're going to get burned. and not come back then you'll be judged don't play with fire. yeah. i talk about yes instead of that we hope for everybody's happiness to achieve you're reason and focus so (unintelligible) aspirations to boot you think about that not physical you be happy you pass the wealth you don't only when

you are playing what fire. everybody is down first mission to fight fire and other things like, you know.. have a great day. >> thank you very much. madam secretary anyone else in terms of giving public comment at this time. >> i don't see anybody approaching the podium and nobody on line. >> questions or comments for the chief. >> commissioner fraser. >> um, i turned it on. >> okay. >> thank you. chief for the report i had one question related to the first of all, the september 11th celebration was a lovely event on the waterfront and happy to see anyone. i can't

move ppf of people until a bed available my question is how do do know where you're looking for that information is that reliable? in terms of i'm concerned people are trying to find beds and hear that is one or mop else you want to know how our people know there is a slot available. >> i know chief can speak in more detail but it is my understanding they are given an update every morning before you go out the healthy streets operation folks are giving an update hasn't beds are available. and he's nodding his head yes. >> thank you. >> commissioner collins. >> and on the same theme how do

the um, two the police department and the fire department coordinate. >> there has been an infrastructure labeled healthy streets operation center and it consists of fire department and police department hsh are they there, too? it consists of a number of different departments that coordinate work together everyday with sam dodge from department of homelessness & supportive housing go out to different encampments to try to get folks into services and for the neighborhood. they do

everything public works is there to clean up and storage and we have um, one of our paramedic rescue captains so it it 5 days a week simon or chief? >> 5 days a a week yes. >> there should be a lot of activity on van ness a variability of departments. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner collins any other questions for the chief at this time? >> yes. i want to say and enjoyed the fire masks and the beautiful church. um, and needed some spiral input (laughter) for my crazy reason and schedule

so, yes, the service an honor to be there should respect of the people that paid the ultimate price and service i'm honored to be there. and it was a good service i'm glad i made it. thank you. commissioner fraser for going to the 9/11 thank you, president nakajo for being there to the fire mask and all the other commissioners were business i know how it is but it was a good event. i wanted to ask you was that i heard - i think that is yesterday like a 15 inch water main break in the marina how are you guys dealing with that. >> we responded it to that

night it was a purview of the puc and it did a ton of damage because typically. >> (multiple voices.) >> which had water main breaks it kills everyone up to the street and a lot of damage and concern that the water pressure any impact one of the gas whether or not i think so all the waters surrounding that so that concern as well it is getting to quite a few businesses i believe that many of the businesses are shut down because of ongoing construction and damage. we i believe i know the supervisor stephanie had folks out there we the city attorney's office to help people, you know. businesses and other folks what they needed to

file claims and the like. so but they're still outer they're doing construction and i don't know how long but a couple of days i would imagine and do they have a contractor? or dpw. >> that i did not know. >> i imagine, you know. people that work at dpw and have other folks on contract for nothing like this so i image i would imagine go to contractors. >> so- >> (multiple voices). >> it was a 75-year-old. >> that will do. >> cast iron yeah. >> i imagine the damage with a 6 inch pipe but that kind of worried me- >> (multiple voices). >> yeah an 18 wheeler was

approximately stuck and other folks yeah and she's - they're still closed down there. >> thank you, chief >> okay. >> vice president morgan and chief we kinds you. thank you. >> thank you very much. and madam secretary. >> we have cd come up i want to welcome our city attorney jane to our proceedings as well and chief whenever you're ready. >> good morning president nakajo and vice president morgan and commissioner feinstein and commissioner fraser and commissioner collins and command staff and jeanine nicholson, chief of department. for the report for august. so as you recall from the july report i snuck in an extra fire that is

in the august report chiefs 1 on arcadia street on 555 on the 13 octavia street had a report of a fire on arrival found the building fully involved in fire and battalion two i went to the transfer of operations. so from the outside landmarking in that appears we are just trying to as i said surrounded and drown the building but it is a recognition of a strategic change needs to be made to protect the adjacent buildings so the radiant heat on fire was impacting the front of the building and well positions themselves there the cross street reported in the media but

the immediate concern was those immediately behind the building we typical refer to this is charley exposure because of the way the building was situated and impacted the operations the arriving unit saw they'll center to split the fire 20/20 parts will be the alley side of the fire in a situation fairly high-level of confusion sort of out quickly and turned those we call a vision oak street was operating and hickory and the chief had a firm grasp on how to position on both sides and fixed that up and set up the ladders

and the trucks and very strong water supply and able to get those in operation but the concern was that the amount of fire that was communicated to those buildings down oak and hickory. immediately had units positioned the roofs in a position to extinguish fires being cast radiant heat i can't imagine it is cracking windows on the other side of octavia and the wood-frame building are touching that is an emergence amount of unit but able to get in front of it of that it was a very, very heroic act for people on the scene know the building was go to collapse and communicated by the chiefs on scene and the expected um, and

in a position to extinguish all the firs this was a situation you could earlier lose people's homes. and people still in the building also to a rescue made. and they were definitely in harm's way. so he's forwarded it. a recommendation for merit and we support that a lot of there's a lot of moving parts. for this fire. and once the building did collapse and once it had amber cast as far away as assistant deputy chief michael mullin. and full block away from that. so just i know i presented this a month ago. and with a month of reflex i am still

absolutely in. >> of the efforts of company that happened that day. had photos i will get you the power point but just again amazing job at three hundred octavia. and again, in our packet vice president morgan that picture on the right-hand side that picture is there arrival that picture was taken when they had the time to do it as they're getting out of their vehicle that's what that looked like the moment they arrived a delay in reporting we can't do anything but about just a good job and so - on 88 at

2011 hours with the cross streets link street the first arriving unit saw the - searching trying to find it in visible fire no heat and this is a fairly typical problem with the san francisco fire department we exist in wood frame buildings and have heavily camper listed touch each and and you see spoke what the source of smoke don't know but still in investigative mode and the

engine companies were assigned by battalion 5 and tried to find the fire this where the operation of the trick companies in san francisco are are vital we have people on the roof and looking down they reported the firing in the problem charley to door so looking at the front of the building from the left-hand side to the rear and no reported fire gave the chief an avenue of that. truck 12 made the notification that has extended into the shed was the rear of a building on urban street they ran into the same problem as the previous fire now they have a fire that is divided by good

great and the second alarm companies arrived those second alarm companies were resources to that what we call a division now have a avenue and the street vision we were on the screen of the fire that night and that went seemingly and the communication fire attack commanders was the division coordinated very effectively. that building on the charley side progress hardware had fire in it's rear and was on the edge of the fire building extinguished the fire quickly with the hardware and transferred to the exterior wood deck upstairs so large have enough fire but once we know

where the fire is our staff is incredible and that fire went out quickly and transition to with more than construction with the amount of sheer that goes into the dmuks knew it was a matter of getting to it and the third alarm was scrubbed and able to do all the heavy lifting and hard work and the fire was extinguished and an incredible job. both of those fires highlighted our relationship with the department of the building inspection and once we are transitioning from the scene we hand it off to the owner and occupants the space is no longer occupiable so a number of

displacements during this fire and working and trying to get our h out more information for people and - and that will be an initiative with the fire department to assist people moving forward. >> not in our report which is our secretary second alarm scrubbed to achieve rabbit had a fire on again, this bridges so this happened on the that's it in the morning of first on cheney will not come up 26 three 4 bay shore is in the city of of san francisco and the other one

in detail city we arrived to a large fire behind the grocery out on bayshore difficult to determine the fire and could it be the alleyway? from the cam i don't know if you citizens see when the fire looks like it is large fire and listening to the fire and i was in my bed 240er7 working hard. and going to a second alarm. i spoke to chief rabbit later on and the second alarm had a full alarm from the north county the chiefs were on scene and basically not a two alarm fire being a two alarm san francisco fire. and worked

effectively on the scene together and different room for the fire we have practiced it regularly so the conceives were work that day and chief rabbit so that at least some of the people on the fire ground are making direct radio communication so we'll it do that and the training in the field i was going to explore the broader expect but i'll wait for the next meeting and i'll leave that otherwise basically reporting one hundred and 25 boxes and two alarms without average for the agency currently. so on to the fire prevention and investigation

chief again page after page of numbers i'm paying attention to the inspections and - but i want to point out the amazing strides in the permit center. so i want not misquote the numbers but a 66 improvement in the watts time in permitting that is a huge initiative by the city mayor and the chief of the department really making great strides towards the permit center and kind of leading the legacy staffing remains an issue looking for ways to increase people excitement to go to fire prevention presentation. chief

copeland and the fire prevention are kind of like the tip of spear for more emerging issues were on four changes and on a b before a bs so they are taking the lead on the emerging issues and bearing the model legislation and looking around the country and seeing what is working and not working. some inspections on the charge facility so he's ahead of the game on this one and current conversation with the city government resolve around ongoing sprinkling issues and again, chief copeland is doing great things. let's moving on

the chief not appearing to be in the room but seen pictures of the recent visit and things are going well to airport and got all his activity detailed kind of want to highlight a few of the initiatives so a basic training in aircraft fighting and inviting people to come and kind of really reduced the pressure like a sales pitch and with that initiative he avoided enough people the airport does not is where vacate slots. this is huge for service we provide to the airport that we were basically drafting people and

telling me to go to the airport and creating brain drain and now with the staffing solid in place i can count it initiative a win. so things are going well at the airport and constituent did f f o newsletter in the newsletter if you want to read about the training does highlight that. division of training with the citizens director she's xulsz pursuing one of her initiatives was able to develop mous and the contracts through public housing the housing is being demolished

in sunnyvale i'll say the commission public housing was very excited and view it is a win for everybody involved and with the development of progress i would expect that we'll be able to use more what we called acquired building moving with the building buildings going forward and today is the first day of training so she's down there. >> recruit class one three 2 has started with 58, three resigned due to mental concerns and we the separate one for poor performance so lost 4 total in june. pretty stellar they're reaching kind of the end of our testing and still some who are

in jeopardy if to can't manage to figure out a way to perform at the academy but we only lost one for performance that's great. they've resumed the sitting like a small feet but not accomplished through of the covid a decent milestone i highlighted with that didn't stand out but getting back to make sure that our manipulating is protected in that way and worried cancer and first responders are in the pit of our city so - garage doors have a

document and chief is the director of the training had the videos and chief mel arrested did a heavy lift and the chief still maine the paramedic license? on this page. i don't know what that is a piece of liver i'm not sure i don't have my paramedic license but dumped it. >> and the pictures on page 40 from our joint drill with pg&e very last year scale earthquake drill all the companies participated. and great takeaways from and well resolved by the pg&e and thank you, chief for that. somebody you never see

in my report is the chief cannon attached to b m and the department of immersion and have extensive work with our communication and capture project that is going to end all contracts are lined up and in place and will continue by chief cannon is inanyone in my work with potential fixed we have coming from the department of emergency communications and the processes in the relationship broke down it and started and the business starts chief canyon is in direct communication a valued partner and that will

result in changes i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >>. thank you very much. chief. at this time any public comment madam secretary on this report? >> why see anyone approaching the podium and there are two callers on the line but don't have their hands raise if you want to speak during public comment for the chiefs report press star 3. they're not raising their hands. >> thank you, ma'am secretary public comment is closed. at this point. commissioners any questions for the chief? and commissioner comments. >> thank you for that report. i have two questions. one,

concerns the may maui fires some of us toured the airport we were able to talk with a few of the members of that department and a few from maui the chief was from there and filling us if i want to congratulate the department across the sea hands across the sea literally making the impact i hope that the department gets credit more broadly for the kind of work. and the second question is for you regarding a autonomous vehicles when you deal with the car companies when you deal with cruise, at what levels are our responses heard

and respond to? in terms of when level in those companies and are you satisfied that your concerns are being directed appropriately for action within those companies? >> thank you for that objective all of those companies are, you know. billion plus entrepreneurs and employ specific profession if this had been the level we were dealing with to people that interface with our captains and trainings and in service trainings this is the level we're accustomed to operating at and once we started to note the a b intervention we got with the

chiefs desire and intent to not engage with conversation required people who could direct policy and engineering fixed they would hear our concerns. not being metered by people, you know. were there for a different purpose were there just to be in direct interface needed a higher level. initially we were rebuffed but protrude open in the last two 0 it meetings we on my meeting yesterday was with their lead counsel so, you know. it depends on the nature of the conversation and depends on um, what the action items will be coming out of meetings but the meeting we have many recently to

discuss incidents i think of inappropriately passed with people who are heads of the parts of engineering team and can make changes to change the required just a matter of - the concern is this is still a - at any point with the relationships are changing, you know. meetings stop. so there's no we're operating at the appropriate level now and operating with a good dialogue of communication and concern to make sure that continues. >> okay. >> are out fire departments included in this effort? >> so i've been in communication with other fire departments that have spoken

directly with austin and everybody has different concerns with their operations they're not as a dense of a city that's the message we try to drive which we're in the conversation with them. this is a different problem this is - the hard task if you can overcome this as is chief said you'll be able to operate basically in any city in the country if you can solve your engineering problem. hoping they're hearing that. but every city and agency i speak to they are concerned. and they're problems may be different in a way in their jurisdiction is

different from those early conversations teams like the companies are willing to try to address those si will problems i don't know how that effects the people in san francisco and a lot of information is held as trade secrets is persecutory every fix communications and benefits us in some way but i can't guarantee that. >> clvz and we try to stay in conversation. >> you're staying in

conversation i understand that is voluntary on their part you continue to stay in the conversation. >> what changes have i seen as a result of the interaction? >> so whenever we preventive specific incident they have seen it before we brought it to them but understand what happened. i'm not an engineer i can say they changed x's or turns or turned dials but it is representative what i try to communicate is objective my concern is the fixes. when you bring in the some of the mice to

eat the bugs and cats to eat the mice i think that is historically the way technology irons things out this is can be very disruptive overall. so, yeah. >> part of the conversation is please tell us what the stage is and when we talk about being voluntary they're operating in different regulatory framework and everybody is a little bit behind so the california vehicle code - the national highway administration they are still writing their regulations. facts are on the ground and cars on the street and and not necessarily address. so we're

working on that and have a meeting with dmv tomorrow. >> i appreciate it you're working on that and appreciated you're operating in the city. but you can hear behind my question which fat organization took themselves out with a public safety are aware of those issues and since they operate nationally may have more leverage than we do in the individual departments and getting the ear of the prospective lawmakers and those who are creating the vehicles. i'm not convinced that everybody at the car companies sees this as an issue.

>> i can imagine everyone i will say that we're going to stay unified so not - >> (multiple voices). >> great. >> so with the assistance of our city attorney and assistance of mta and the county transit and the police department, and, you know. parking enforcement. we are not - going to allow them to kind of divide us the way they tried to divide the fire department so, you know. it is easy to flag ment it at that level. >> hoping heard at the national level. >> thanks for all the efforts.

>> thank you commissioner collins and commissioner feinstein. >> thank you. >> and thank you, chief for really a report that shows a lot of progress on a lot of fronts and really an impressive report. it showing everything it is getting accomplished i'll follow-up if i might on commissioner collins autonomous vehicle expressions and concern is they're not a way to pressure or obtain assistance from our state legislators and/or our governor in the fact that meaning when we first started discussed it in a few meetings

now, my understanding if i'm correct this is basically regulated statewide by the dmv and puc is that; correct? >> correct. >> are we having any kind of lesion with the state legislators i think we're in the city we have bugs coming out and make a quick turn to get into another street i'm wondering how that is processed and what can we do at a higher level just the local level? i think so maybe they were working great in phoenix and seawall has them i thought i saw that

somewhere how can we do it at stat level pressure on sacramento that's what i'm asking. >> we are in conversation with our assembly members, you know. a lot of those rulings are input. so the city attorney is prepared for a rehearing at puc. and meeting tomorrow with the dmv supposed took direct to propose regulation on the industry. but, you know. legislators, executives in the state that's un (laughter) but we are in metal detectors you know what, our local assembly members and they're making sure that our concerns are heard at that level. >> all right. i think that is really important thank you for that and ask you and it didn't

need tobacco a long explanation but making necessary nuts since i got my packet and started reading it - well, objective i'm a firefighter but i learned a lot about reading with the alarm fires and i struggle and even tried to lucky in any book was not successful may not have made it through the training crazy that's for sure. the last paragraph of the first greater alarm given the address it is the first page of that part of your report. i couldn't understand and i want to learn

so i couldn't understand a lot of that paragraph. so beginning with may operations? >> no, i understood many operations. >> (multiple voices). >> (laughter). >> but starting i mean, i even thinks about drones. i do not understand after, however. i didn't know if some of the words i knew what the words individually meant but not meant put together. >> so after, however, the confusion over exposure would be a correction ab t d typical orientation would be where it was broke into divisions and this is exposure identification

b e.c. is communication yeah, about a large-scale events and drawing. >> (multiple voices.) >> >> what comes and the command is a program that's been in destroy i would say about 6 years now and we adopted it about three years ago. it allows the ability to go in use to be a white board or chalkboard process where companies write down on the piece of paper and now on a ipad or phone assign the different job functions and, you know. we're a big agency have a lot of different there's a lot of moving parts. and we just will have to go back to the

command and get them programs and changes for when our incidents expand. >> i see that's what you meant by under power i see all right. and lastly, we should have been used that the command post. >> we kind of an industry standard for incident commanders nationally particularly in california they do a lot of things command in the front seat we need the ability to move just multiple sized problems where this incident highlights that. but what the chief discussed after the ended maybe returning to that using the buggy as a point of focus this is a vehicle. and then ab because of

command not adequate to the by the way, would are gone back to that white board visible representation so owe brought in once you're other third and fourth have all the chiefs and other chiefs rovrndz for the command staff and everybody can brief without expanding; right? and update everyone's ipads if you're carrying around that a lot of people are carving the technology so going down to old school to be functional. >> interesting i appreciate the explanation and thank you for the report and thank you, mr. president. >> thank you very much. commissioner any other questions at this point for commissioner fraser. thank you. chief i my

colleagues as well thank you for the questions and it is helpful. i just wanted to in addition to everything else wanted to say i love the idea of housing demolished used as training and hopefully we're able to continue to do that and the thing about the autonomous vehicles a dgo read in the chronicle about the accidents with the vehicles we're looking at where they're mostly concentrated in ever neighborhood right approximately there's that and the reason they choose san francisco if you can make that here you can make it it anywhere so i'll not take any more of your time at the

commissioners. >> thank you commissioner fraser and commissioner fraser vice president morgan vice president morgan i learned, too, and in the reports achieve a great picture especially of me laughter. >> you're in the power point too. (laughter) you're chief the rc is not here i wanted to thank him again for the tour and have a con fefgs i cheated on the affiliation. i had the edge on commissioner fraser. >> practice, practice, practice. >> great. simulator and appreciate the t-shirts from

maui a great fundraiser. >> yeah. commission can get one (laughter). >> (unintelligible). >> all right. >> i'm willing to buy one. >> i do want to say the bulk of response for hawaii was driven by the asian firefighters and they were supported by the asian firefighters and that's their initiative and work and i thank them for that and again, we cannot all leave the office sometimes but we'll try to get you a t-shirt. >> i was looking at the fantastic pictures i guess that's one fire on octavia; right? >> yeah. >> but went up like a matchbox literally and seems the

construction fires are the worst rims me of a fire in mission bay 9 years ago it went up like that was gone in minutes. i mean nothing you can do i can imagine driving up to the picture. okay. i choose this career let's go forward i really respect you guys. great report and great pictures and a lot of great information. and i'll just keep it it short and sweet and look to the audience i know we have a long meeting that's all i have to say. >> thank you very much. vice president morgan. >> i have a few comments on my side. first of all, all of members in terms of great alarms and the reference in terms of

the the chief very much appreciate the command staff but also the members of the board. i also want to acknowledge 1279, eight avenue. at this point we're going to move forward fire marshall newsletter. >> again, i read that thing and all the questions i had for the fire marshall were subverted in that how many members where they are and it is impressive to have that come out as well. other than i just wanted to say to you that i look forward to your assistance program and with the information i was in eight grade i had a four alarm fire an arson so me and my family and young

brothers and sisters i remember seeing on the truck staircases but if it was wasn't for my pastor and the red cross but when you are out there you have no where to live. i know that is an extra effort on the fire department a great ask but you know it and i know that and look forward to the report the update on this report. appreciate your confidence and this is what i read in 45 minutes and still we have two other items and we have to deal with. thank you very much. for a comments and support and madam secretary. >> well ems and community

paramedicine, deputy chief sandra tong. good afternoon president nakajo, vice president morgan, commissioner feinstein, commissioner fraser. >> commissioner collins. >> i'm ems and community paramedicine, deputy chief sandra tong. my report for august. >> ems report reaveraged three hundred and 5 will 8 calls a day identical a slight increase we're stabilizing a little bit in the last couple of months and our task has been 90 minutes from dispatch to went toing our market share for the ambulances dipped a little bit in the last that most the first month in a long time and up to our minimum

80 percent desired market share but it is 78 percent and the call volume i noted has changed so go we're not quite sure why there is a dip in the way the calls remain distributed let's see - we were able to put back the quick 2 r v had a vehicle since the service an old truck we used that finally died and we're finally able to get a new vehicle the one you see is the newist fleet and the q r v primary in the downtown to address the business calls they were able to go on to calls to assist either to replace an engine or other to start assessments prior to the ambulances or engine arriving.

an asset we utilize to get to calls quicker and relieve the workload from the ambulance to adjust the situations and finally, add another new ambulances? kind of an off the shelf vehicle we purchased in dire straits of our ambulance numbers this is in addition to the fleet and were not able to do much in terms of ailed, you know. customization but meeting the needs and we're happy to have that addition. in the first slide see during the that of august start our three week training for now captains. those that tested got high on the list are you think we're testing

about the top 35 of our members. they are getting um, regular training from or luxuries lectures from chiefs and captains about what they can expect as captains. we have preliminarily positions to have paramedic that is working on an ambulance or even on the cip unit might need to fill in for the field unions for our station 49 manning the deck and dispatch getting on orientation with those jobs and background information how to handle their responsibilities. how to manage the constituents and putting people in staffing numbers around. how to address discipline issues and getting sort of the basic base level of knowledge will help them more

experiences or a knowledgeable captain in the field. and the second picture you see the ems advance academy individual. that one was started with 6 emts and said to advance the paramedics and did it successfully graduated if september so, now paramedics. >> and the third slide see we done our - starting another quarterly in service training for all the paramedics a lot of equipment and pretty regular we have to and trying to increase the number to bring in the paramedics to have a hands-on practice of pieces of equipment not something we've been able to

had recently but started doing this a few months ago and this is positively received by the members of the public members with base line to discuss the new things happening to be able to, you know. have some time together to be able to discuss j.p. morgan as well. and in the last slide you see on august 2nd paramedic nicholas was invited by doctor to speak to the residents at psf to discuss the management has a lot of experience in the field and military and one - he didn't do this in san francisco i understand but able to demonstrate what he did with a critical patient and utilized the unique emancipation proclamation putting a needle down someone's trachea it is

rarely used skill and talked about that with the u c sf and had a toiling at the end of august and talking that how that went in the meeting we're gathering the notes. >> through the community abc simon those are the highlights. as we have spoken been in the last few months the states regulations require our community paramedics to pass an external examination by ice and the national board. and over the three days in early august had many of our members take this examine have to please vote. and pass this by informative the first and getting an early start in case they need to retake the

test or an opportunity to take if we have 19 to take the exam and 46 have passed already we have additional funding from the care start function. this is a grant to support the development of a one-day program time. section chief the paramedics administration michael madison prepared to the introduction discuss some of the specifics c qi measures. and our ems providers in the particularly our cp providers are some of the most challenged really vulnerable population in need of housing and 23450ed assistance.

chief of our operations was able to meet with the department of homelessness & supportive housing to discuss and to be able to ask for accommodations and oftentimes had a few happen in the meeting parallel with the housing and shelters are not available and families need emergency shelters and so what happened is our members have had to purchase a hotel room to be able to house them for the night and able to get stability in the next morning so getting from hsh to purchase accommodations and things. those was a huge win and definitely utilized. also at the invitation of the department of public health chief madison presented from the response team

officers in saginaw county michigan and in colorado we get a lot of requests from out jurisdictions to discuss the paramedics and willing to spread the information an august 30th in the picture you see we had i don't know which and h and respo

calls have an impact in the number of businesses that as a result of us going to the new any calls here you see a number for ambulance only is responding specific to 25 card the dispatch call type specific to behavorial crises those are those have a behavorial crises emergency folks threatening suicide acting inappropriately on the streets we are sent to the calls some have dispatched in the ambulance and some needing paramedic and ambulance when you look at the data had a county paramedic responds a 60 percent reduction in the ambulances in the emergency room that is significant when you look at one of the purposes of not only for the population in the city but

reduces ambulance call volumes the ambulance can go to more desperate needs those numbers show how those county paramedics on the rigs are able to interact with the patients on the street and be able to provide them with alternatives more appropriate than in an emergency room visit this is a simple data we have our new data as you can see working with the paramedic division to look at and diving into deeper analysis how effective dp is. >> thank you very much. chief and madam secretary any member of the public willing to give public comment. >> i don't see anyone approaching the podium and anyone o no one has twhir a

hundred raised public hearing is closed questions or comments. >> commissioner fraser. >> this is to interesting and wonderful report i really appreciate it i have one question for i which comes from the report. about ems 6. the question is: are you are paramedics are now requesting vouchers to pay for hotel rooms. now that's performing a good idea for outcomes for the people that we're responding to help. >> are those voyages they're on hand or have to pay for by call how does that get into the hands of paramedics? i am trying to say northbound nobody is available for them to call the

department of homelessness & supportive housing those are things that have to be in their pocket. >> i will let chief speak to that he call talk about. >> i really want to know. >> good morning president nakajo and vice president morgan and commissioners commissioner feinstein, commissioner fraser and, commissioner collins and chief and city attorney and fellow command staff thank you for that commissioner. that's exactly the problem. to it turns out approximately every 46 weeks our paramedics and firefighters find a family at night at each shelter. though i've advised our members not to pay for hotel rooms out-of-pocket no method

for reimbursement. the last few times it is all hands on deck and chief sloan talking to others and department of homelessness & supportive housing trying to figure out how we get someone in housing. there are family shelters and campus and oasis but all, all are full. >> they have a new pilot program 14 day voucher the problem is exactly what you said how do we get them; right? they have them available monday though friday we want chief sloan is working with p them we call one person at any time of the day and get those vouchers. we still don't have that mechanism but will have it. >> that's really disturbing to

hear and hastening our members are paying for hotel rooms. i can't speak for anyone but don't want to see hour members trying to find housing in the middle of the night not their job. thank you very much for clarifying. >> thank you, commissioner any other commissioners for the chief. >> vice president morgan. >> i'll can be quick. >> i was - i might have answered this before the work you guys where doing with the professors that turned morale

injure another term for depression what exactly is that? oral injury my colleague can articulate this but as providers go on calls trying to address the problem that is at hand whether a chronic medical problem or mental health issue we struggle to try to match them with the right kind of resources to help address their issues. and they're not necessarily a solution or not a good place for them or a repeated interaction were we're not feeling effective that starts to effect our wellness our budget to feel consist because we are not necessarily those answers to the

difficult situations that people find themselves in a struggle to address the difficulty of or balancing the way we are able to address the problems we see in a way we feel is effective and when we continue to see roadblocks or not able to feel this is a good solution and it becomes very stressful and can lead to people becoming depressed and feeling he helplessness we want to have this study to better identify that of the things - if there is systematic issues we're not able to address individually but we can figure out was that individually we can address it within ourselves or among our cohorts and those are some of the activities we want to be able to identify. this study is

to talk what our members do a drilled down and better address that. on more individuals level versus the systematic one of the things we do in the department we try to address this systematic levels and how can we create policies um, and interact with our other partners to better address this situation we find. >> no, that's great. yeah, great information you combrashtd on you. >> i'm sure it can be very overwhelming. now this speaker series is that online or was that- >> (multiple voices). >> it tends to happen at the

end of the month and sharing with them we'll make sure you get that invitation. >> a great idea. thank you. >> thank you. ems and community paramedicine, deputy chief sandra tong. and comments i believe in support of opening statement the academy and makes sense to have the emts internal education and opportunities to become paramedics and the other thing is i believe the town hall concept and crews mentioned it i realized a lot of new members in the paramedic division so more familiarists in supporting that i look forward to that.

>> a way to communicate with the members and for them to ask questions of us in terms of how we're adjusting. >> thank you very much. ems and community paramedicine, deputy chief sandra tong. and madam secretary. >> >> 5. the commission to vote on whether to adopt the revised binding arbitration of administrative appeals [discussion and possible action] the commission is to consider adopting the arbitration of the administrative appeal rules firefighters procedural bill of rights act, cal. gov't code 3250, et seq. were posted on 9/one/23 shall apply for disciplinary determination by the fire commission on the complaints filed by the chief the san francisco fire department those administrative appeal rules shall apply from

any communication through one calendar year in the at that time the fixing appealed those rules unless the parties agree otherwise in writing shall expire on the one year anniversary of the appeal rules and the parties also agree that those administrative administrative appeal rules comply with the firefighters firefighters procedural bill of rights act, cal. gov't code 3250, et seq.. >> thank you very much. madam secretary is the city attorney joined us are you presenting this or - >> if we can get her up here to

have the commissioners ask any questions? we have an opportunity to comment or ask questions we'll ask for public comment afterwards and ma'am, come up. >> but please. is there a summary or this motion speaks for itself. >> yeah. the document speaks for itself but for benefit of the public um, those rules are meant to bring the city to compliance with the firefighters bill of rights and providing a process for binding arbitration. okay. >> commission would you like to ask the city attorney any questions or clarity or comments before we this is act think an

action item vice president did you have something. >> i'm good. any other commissioners have any questions. >> i'll entertain a question or comment from the comments on this commission commissioner feinstein. >> as has been discussed leading up to this. i remain baffled by the argument has been put forth for not an argument a fact that those rules are necessary to comply with the decision and i'm sure you can on the other hand, me, me i ment to bring my notes from the discussion last time my fault. 2016, 2015 what year was that?

2022. >> 2022 i'm not to assert this was if i building 2018 at the latest and i may be wrong about that but it give or take been years and let me ask you this. . from the time of adoption of this until when we sit here today what have members wished to appear excuse me - appeal a

final order of separation or termination by the commission what mechanism vehicles have been available to them? >> um, well, not bindings arbitration f this came about how the dwesh they'll come the chief issued a decision and come to the final decision. i mean though still had the option to then go to writ that is still an option but the crossed one of the steps bring it to the fire commission. >> no they're appealing our decision that is the whole -

has been discussed on a couple of occasions it's the whole issue is that they're - we are not the final determineers of this and the people are allowed on appeal that is around for a long time and why nothing was done is just baffling to me and then becomes - a matter of having to adopt rules - at least 6 years. that decide is at least 6 years old and we discovered through the closed session that the department of

human resources at local 798 without any representation by a member of our office had been in meeting for discussions for a year. tha there was no briefly to this commission none whatsoever i don't think that d hr represents us. >> there was briefing to the commission we provide a memo to you. >> i don't have that memo. >> that memo we referenced. >> none of us other than president nakajo were on the commission and what the discuss we had your identifies failed to

tell us that was going on and in the meantime, two entities in the fire commission are debating and meeting and icon ferry over our rules i mean, i find it incredible discounterfeits not to have briefed us on regular occasions when our appealing with our rules. it kind of insulting i must say we might have agreed with you but nobody made the effort to brief us on anything. >> we have discussed that each is a defer process and they're the ones leading the effort that leads to the process and not - at least- >> (multiple voices). >> i don't buy did counsel sorry. >> d hr controls that nothing stops our office and is

represent that is supposed to be of service to this commission nothing stops them from seeking and open session or closed session i'm going to say that again, i have now been on this commission three and a half years and nobody has ever bogged to brief us on the ongoing meet and confer one year in length i mean my god this takes a year to resolve this no wonder we're in the shape we are. i find absolutely no - i think that is incredibly disrespect for the time we put in to the tasks we have to do and we're not sure how many hearing we had to hear. um, and referencing because i

see 2017 all of a sudden guarantee we've been having a great meeting for 98 and come up with the bindings arbitration rules that's what we're going to do so go ahead and approve this. i don't even know when you make reference in - again yet again, i asked for this last time you guys don't date documents i don't know when this document is from there is no date on that. but it says talked about the party mind what are the parties i don't know. i don't know who the parties are. you talk about the panel of arresting translators we know in bindings arbitration and having a - one

meeting was 12 hours long from the a.m. to 9:00 p.m. >> but i think i missed one of the hearings other than that, i was the proceeding offers we put a lot of time mr. r spent a lot of times the right to a writ exists existed and fits and now you are saying in the documents the undated documents the second inundated documents the hearing officer didn't have the finding of a fact and brought the

conclusions of the law with respect to the application to determine whether or not those minutes have been in supports stated misconduct of the employees and the panels is improper why did we bother? why did we bother? those are days of our lives. >> two separate issues the concern that time was wasted. and we emphasize that concern. >> certainly the case but that's separate from the issue of are we in compliance. the time may or may not wasted didn't change the fact we had - >> but we have been out of compliance for years and all of a sudden, you know. now you have decided after the fact you could have - if this was done and have been briefed on that before

we started those hearings i would say maybe okay. but the fact this is so disrespectful so inconsiderate that was conducted but i don't know if it is the city attorney's office, dhr i don't blame the union i understand their position but i think you owed us a little bit more respect and we didn't get did now have you have a 6 yearly problem you've been trying to fix on our back you come in like an urgency been for the past 6 years. >> i wouldn't say that is accurate that president nakajo 5

or 6 years went by and the memo president nakajo - the commission the proposition of the commission has not changed but that has been on ongoing process, you know. in the covid happened like it was brought to light the last couple of times. and so once the union brought it up the process we've been engaging that. >> a year. >> commissioner. excuse me - is there other commissioners, i, get in here as well. >> sir anything else. >> i have public comment i want to make sure the commission has their commissioner point is

well-taken and clearly and commissioner fraser and any comment. >> commissioner fraser. >> i have a question and speak into myself police commissioner. >> that is this i can bring this into the firefighters bill of rights but an independent arbitrator would be involved in the mandates. >> it means the individual firefighter would have the option to appeal the canvassed decision to fighting arbitration in the commission decided not to hold and separate meeting that

person would not have selected to go to arbitration in the commission decided to separate that have the right to go to binding arbitration and file. give them one additional layer of protection. >> it is adding an additional layer of that. >> correct. >> thank you very much. commissioner. and ma'am, vice president a question or comment. >> two appeals. >> correct. >> okay. >> commissioner collins. >> so, now what i know now and hearing these really plus a 10 percent contingency innocent how

would you you change the process going forward. >> there can be better communication. and as you seen through the prosecutes several city attorney's work on this issue and definitely after the meeting and confer discussed reaching out to a dhr and getting the presence at the meat and defer discussion unfortunately, you know. i wasn't there. in 2016 and 2017 and 2018 i can only speak to my opinion of the matter. >> all right. and i have a comment as well but i'm going to reserve that to madam secretary and ask appropriately for public comment. at this point. and then

call for the question before i call the question i'll give my comment. >> so madam secretary ask for public comment. >> anybody in the room want to make public comment on item 5? >> limited to 3 minutes per speaker, sir. >> apologize for speaking out of turn last time. >> speak into myself. >> once chris san francisco fire department due dots mandates. i want to quick comment. grieved put out in the time to put those together i know 14 firefighters were separated without discipline and the staff feels the same way 18

months out of work baseline any opinion and theirs. i'm here standing in solidarity with them brothers and sisters and making a comment to 5 of them when we used to work together trying to get the one new person today, i presenter and courage them to read owe relearn the meaningful solidarity of the 14 people no longer working in the fire department and one quick comment about the comments that the chief made. i know was it like to be in that of the fires and really say i appreciate the fact that brothers and sisters are still working hard doing the job like that is that is an imperative report this commission has a lot to think about i pray you, you may the right and just decisions 14

firefighters were non-disciplinary without a process that is a violation of the fire department bill of rights. this was completely true regardless of the non-disciplinary charges that harmful to the firefighters and put together a bandaged to cover their tracks that was a meek by not having a field process helping the firefighters to get their jobs back today. i also sent an e-mail to dhr fire department for the unretired to be restated to my job i worked the last two years now this is no longer in effect i am pretty sure i can come back and appreciate your time god bless

you all. >> good morning commissioner commission. >> chief, i'm to object to the commission approving the property rules in the current form because it is in violation of the firefighters procedural bill of rights act, cal. gov't code 3250, et seq. in 2019 the chief stood before the commissioners charter separation did not comply with the firefighters bill of rights and yet the city violates this important statute dismissing the firefighters. what owe didn't tell you the commission has been operating in multiple-generational jurisdictions above your powers will have the power to do what you did to us. the mandate is

clear shall not take action against the firefighter until an appeal this is for the city attorney's office to alert the effected parties - the rules before you for consideration and rectify the shortcomings brought to life by the landmarked decision by the supreme court not an appeal but a hearing equity to a skeleton meeting and like the got - no further preceding occurred and should

apply and will proceed essentially avenues january 1st when the bill of rights act went into effect san francisco fire commission charter authority had a punitive action was eliminated. preempted by a state law the procedures seem to ignore that fact didn't say have the authority to supplies them without an administrative appeal like section three is non-accordance i only have a little bit more. >> finish your statement. >> section one of the proposed agreement indicates the finding of a fact adopt but i fire commission should serve in section code 115 hundred and applies section 50 three clearly

outlines the specific actions in numerous cases by the - complex and i would i like to identify yourself. >> michael and can i have 15 more seconds. >> finish that 15 seconds. >> thank you. >> those documents are coming plex make a difficult for the nature of the charges for lack of activity mentioned in the 115 hundred to fully comprehended - finish up please and additionally not clear in the arbitrators are qualified i'm going to say this legal

counselors are leading not. >> your time is up. thank you. sir. >> thank you very much. any other members of the public wishing to give public comment? >> would you like to make public comment? >> can you hear me? >> your time starts now. >> good morning four years ago on july 10, 2019, council for the commission informed do commission that quote there is some legal vulnerable to the charges in the process for the fire department. that legal vulnerable is there is not an anticipated proffer following the commission following decision to vacate quote we don't prestigiously have an appeal and go to court to challenge that. two years ago on september 2021 commissioner

feinstein said the city attorney is getting more votes i'm sure that is the applicability and why didn't the commission make sure that the numerous most those efforts waiting for answers why hadn't the commission working in the last (unintelligible) since the first relevant procedures why is that happening few with the civil lawsuit will be not what the city exposed the commission terminated the employment of - 15 firefighters. knowing there was no opportunity for an administrative appeal and violates the firefighters record. there are people who have and have been doing everything to come after the jobs they love think about that

today. thank you. >> would you like to identify yourself. >> no. >> would you like to make public comment. >> yes. i would good morning. >> this is marking mccoy an engineer i was 10 years ago and after big deal on administrative leave i've been eagerly waiting for the commission to address this in the appeals process and required by state law as a matter of fact has been an appeal process in place in 2008 late a-64 is still active. and i cited this as well as the firefighter bill of rights act

in itself needs action (unintelligible) but chief jeanine nicholson, chief of department. the commission ignoreed every appeal. this is all well documented i want to point out the ways why i didn't apply with the firefighters bill of rights and late in the game was in any best interest new spoke to the rule. and this commission has not given the firefighters a fair process in the law. good day. >> and that's the end of public

comment. >> public comment is closed. >> at that point an action item colleagues. >> so - >> my comment basically after all the comments made and duly noted what is in front of us is compliance issue. and a period time of one year. also i'm basically in support of this. i want to advise i as to what any comments were and madam secretary make a motion to pass this item number 5. >> do i have a second? >> i'm second that and commissioner feinstein? >> commissioner collins, how do

you vote? >> commissioner fraser how do you vote? >> the motion passes 4 to one. >> thank you very much. madam secretary we have another >> >> 6. the commission to vote on whether to adopt the revised sffd rules and regulations [discussion and possible action] the fire commission is considering adopting the fire department rules and regulations the revised san francisco fire department were posted on 9/one/23 and assistant deputy chief michael mullin. will talk about this. >> welcome assistant deputy chief michael mullin. >> i realize this motion has not been populous but with that narrative in terms of the issue of long overdue revision this is

up for consideration. requests. >> already good morning president nakajo, vice president morgan. >> commissioner feinstein, commissioner fraser, commissioner collins and jeanine nicholson, chief of department. >> i'm assistant deputy chief michael mullin.. and in addition to the last year franchise i've been co-chair with the work group and working on the rules and regulations. >> sorry. >> so to the last year franchise i've been co-chair and working on the revision for the rules and regulations with me is my co-chair dustin would you like to come up? >> hi that good afternoon. thank you very much. president nakajo, vice president morgan, commissioner feinstein, commissioner fraser, commissioner collins and i want to say had a pleasure to work with the rules and regulations long overdue about a decade

overdue and a task to get those done to keep in step to work with the public rules and regulations the co-chair we've been working was that this has not been touched in decades this is the first steps have not been in place for a very long period of time and needs to be done so this is just the beginning to go okay. own the large task in the communities to support. >> thank you i've been telling the commissioners and share your background. >> i was in the department serving as a member. local here live in the city and currently assigned to battalion nine hundred the pleasure or working with assistant deputy chief michael mullin. as well as

station 9 and had the pleasure or work oning on policy and procedure and finance and one other i can't think of lakeview and selling sorry district. >> thank you very much. assistant deputy chief michael mullin. >> okay. i'll begin you have the list of substantive changes and go by them one by one and afterwards up, up for questions. so the big addition obviously that the ems has a division in the department. um, its own division with ems and community paramedicine, deputy chief sandra tong.. also deputy chief added to the assume active

command and and fairly addition to the first prevention with the fire marshall and they've expanded quite a bit in the last dwimgs and the biggest goal was to reorganization adding in new divisions and changing how to do that and keep things in their natural or the; right? because down to our concern rules historically like 38 rules we have in the report 387 didn't want to push that out a 09 there's twagsz so more difficult to shift in with the way we deciding i sdigd it makes sense with the fire commission and next the fire chief and start with operations and everything is under the chief of the

operations leadership training fire prevention, etc. and administration under the chief administration leadership and four, everything under ems is there and up into the general rules. so this meat of it is in the that difficult to get fire regularly it is still the same 10 or 20 years ago. there are some changes we're talk about that shortly. both the rules and regulations didn't change just where they're located. other additions with department since the last fire commission meeting, including budget, academies, special events, and health and safety since the last revision we put those in and management services. and just to get down into the nuts and bolts

of the sections we had an accountability section to every leadership role at that level and thought everybody in the position of leadership should be held accountable in the same standards and incredible activities with the preamble and the general rule section. we deleted gender language it makes a lot of sense. up-to-date. >> other language we removed those indeliverable. because of addition prior provisions of

rules and regulations been strictly tower shift fire department with the addition of station 49 with their history schedule. we didn't time to make a rule really long and had to explain each one how the rules effect. so a further mou that is hashed out later on as it spelled out for everyone and have something to reference with sick rule leaves, etc. and removed the residency requirement. again by the state. the last thing we added rules and regulations the only things were referenced prior the reasons for discipline had a city ordinance and regulation

charter in that one. >> to be more broad i'm available for any questions that you may have. >> all right. thank you very much. assistant deputy chief michael mullin. and again, colleagues in our packet i coordinated what he was going to go over as well i - i know the city attorney supplemented the one-package document once i saw that i said i know my colleagues have plenty of time to look at this document but pretty cut and dry i don't want to throw that away but a compliance issue i'll start part of the longevity of the commission the issue of what we're referencing. what our structure looks like now. that's the what i looked at the commissioners any questions for assistant deputy chief michael mullin.

>> i have a quick question. is this going to have any recommendations affect on the budget whatsoever? and no. >> no. >> that's a good answer. >> (laughter.) >> and i've posed to others but will keep probation officer it until someone give me an answer what happened to division one. >> it was deactivated. >> i understand chief. >> we have division two and division three but no, that with division one. >> do you want to chime in chief. >> that would be eased in the budget impact three divisions division one staffed company and no longer is. the place remains pulled out of the chart. the number was not stolen the opportunity in this for with

division one again to revisit that. >> in the budgetary historical comment i don't want to answer for chief. >> commissioners and commissioner fraser. >> briefly thank you, so much chief. that is hard work you just did. so thank you to everybody who worked on that. >> um, this is our second agenda item 6 something long overdue 10 years in the makey feel somewhat behind. today this is not comfortable but not a lot i have to ask you about it is straightforward and one bullet point i was reading it with the addition of accountability to all officers what you talk about

that a little bit. accountability. >> it stops at lieutenant but stops at captain the lieutenant is small that section an act of the captain section that section is long this stopped at the captain section not includes accountability for the firefighters of the rules and regulations but that's the guidelines. >> thank you. >> okay. and anyone else in terms of a question or comment? >> an action item chief so i'm going to call for the question commissioners. okay. excuse me - any public comment on this item. >> any public comment on item 6? >> hello, again.

>> michael so (clearing throat) i'd like to say it is good you're updating the rules and regulations but might want to add clarification think non-disciplinary i was separated but times on the subject on july 29, 2022, the chief placed me on a leaf on a san francisco charter putting mow on a status i was denied by charter section a three 44 which would have determined if i - not afforded opportunity to appeal this decision in accordance with the provisions on the firefighters bill of rights we listed those and section three 251 with the punitive action result in

dismissal that my conduct constituted actions for public humboldt county and and person recovering from covid in 2021 and one didn't have to wonder in the - unbiased arbitrator for a vote didn't address the egregious violations i think if urging to add in rules there is no language about non-disciplinary section and when i present something for consideration or adopts feet to red line it to be reviewed now we're paying attention now we're watching everything. thank you.

>> thank you very much. anyone else in terms of public comment at three point madam secretary and i don't see anyone approaching the podium and no one on line. >> public hearing is closed. >> is it appropriate to say something that is not a response but to kind of put this document and vote on that. rules and regulations basically serves as a content the procedural mandate has not been update so substantive changes to the policy and thank you, requests and thank you. . thank you very much. >> commissioner fraser part of being around for in the department how difficult to move agenda items one way or another

but the department is different than what it was in 12 to adjust and include what we have is important for a long time it was always the board so i interpreted as part of this as well that is motion and need a motion for this item. >> president nakajo i apologize that to frupt but the documents page numbers i said ask the commission if it is voting to approve also approve the addition of page numbers advertise minor thing but it will be better. >> madam city attorney do you identify those and no case numbers on all the pages. >> so you're correction in terms of that as well of what you're saying and would ask the

commission approval of the page numbers we've been through naivety raised i identical not a bring to your attention but approve with the addition of page numbers. >> this is appropriate and which will a table of contents. >> it is page analyzed. >> madam city attorney who will do that. >> (laughter.) >> will take care of that so call for the question i need a motion and second colleagues. >> yes. as long as we're going to add page numbers should we have a small note of as revised and and date? >> dually noted madam city

attorney the cover page as refrgs reks great i move approval. >> did you say you approve that. >> i did i move approval. >> second colleagues. >> i'll second. >> thank you very much. commissioner fraser. >> president nakajo, aye. >> and vice president morgan, aye. >> and commissioner feinstein the motion to see unanimous and item 7 adjournment. >> before we adjourn i want to dually note others 27 i asked the firefighters to present and members who volunteer to go to maui and make sure you get a

t-shirt as well but they'll be here to dually note that thank you, commissioners for all your patience this meeting is adjourned. >> hello operators, i'm jeff tumlin recollect director of transportation. >> i'm jour san francisco fire chief jeanine nicholson. >> first and formost, i like to thank you for everything you do to help our passengers get around the city. it

is safety in mind we like to talk about what to do if you encounter any kind of emergency scene while on your route >> if you see a ambuljs and fire engine on the side thf street, this usually indicates there is some type of medical emergency. >> the first thing you should do is look out for emergency personnel in the area. if there is room to proceed, do so, if you cannot pass safely, contact the transit management control center for instructions. >> active fire scenes meanple while may appear static but can become dynamic in seconds. you may see engines trucks and vehicles with flashing red lights. >> the best course of action is call the tmc and give as much information as you can, including the site and nature of the emergency. there should be a captain or public safety officer on the scene who can tell you what is going on. then let you know whether you have permission to take a

dudetore. >> if you are caught in the middle of the scene only proceed once directed by fire personnel. a public safety officer will guide through the emergency scene, tell you to wait or recommend that you go out of serveess if the emergency is prolonged. be sure in this situation to give all proper notifications to the tmc. >> it is important to note that if you see a fire hose on the ground, stop. do not drive over it. you never want to drive over a fire house. >> firefighters have been serious injured. >> remember the best course of action is notify your supervisor and the tmc and wait for instructions. explain to passengers what is happen. if you cannot detour you have to stop and possibly go out of service as you waitd for direction from fire personnel. >> the san francisco fire department understands and appreciates that muni

has timelines to adhere to, but no schedule is worth risking the safety of our city employees and customers. >> thank you again for all you do, and are thank you for keeping muni >> i'm a firefighter here at station three 1 i grew up in texas and kind of boundaries

around to bunch of different cities before i came to san francisco lived in new york and was going to school there i had never been here before the moment i knew san francisco i knew i was in the right police station like the place and was proposed to be. >> i was with change and cyclist transportation throughout the city and actually end up getting in a car accident not a big deal but i was in the back of ambulance he decided a good idea to tell me about the job and how amazing i thought about that at home and i said you know what see this sounds

something might be great aligns with me and my values i started to pursue to see what it was like i did and the moment that was pretty interesting how doors kind of opened i put at effort and get any emt licenses and interviewed to be in the refreshed what is of the in the academy engineering that and so on and so forth had that moment of like this is what i'm spoke up to be doing this is this is the it this is me. and it of the great and therefore, be it resolved that worked out and after the lgbtqia+ this is my work with one was (unintelligible) (sirens) what i thought way back when

that being a firefighter that was not something i thought i could do. and i think that a lot to do would not seeing my in the representation of what a normal firefighter will be so i really like to make an effort when i'm at work to have other girls little girdles and boys seeing me though orientation or race or any other orientation we want to be able to be that person and know they can do the job if they want to. >> as a mom i feel like a different person actually. that pretty interesting to have a stark difference in from the person i became a mom in the

fire serve and the person after the fire services being a mom is a learning exercise and the same going back to the fire service you're heart is a little bit more vulnerable i like being a mom the harder thing i've done and prior to being a mom this job or some of the things we do on the job are some of the harder things that kind of levels each other out so i okay. come to work and feel like i'm cable and can go home and capable a whole

>> the meeting will come to order welcome to the september 13 other 2023 meeting of budget and financials i'm supervisor cone chan chair and i'm joined by rafael mandelman and short low by supervisor safai. our cleeshg is brent jalipa. i would like to thank kaleena mendoza from sfgovtv for broadcast thanksgiving meeting. >> yes, a reminder for those to make sure to silence cell