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accommodation. if you wish to make public comment, you are welcome to attend the meeting in person to do so. when public comment is called during each line item, the public is welcome to address the board up to two minutes. there will be general comment at the end of the meeting for items that do not appear on the agenda but within the subject matter jurisdiction of the sheriff department oversight board. public comment is available for members of the public present in personing by lining up against the far wall. you have will have two minutes to provide public comment. -you have 30 seconds to complete public comment, the second tone alert will alert your 2 minutes are up. >> thank you dan. member nguyen indicated he was called to duty and will be absent from today's meeting. motion to excuse member nguyen. >> motion. >> second. >> thank you. any objection? motion passes unanimously.

dan, please call the first item. >> i will call the roll. >> sorry, please call the roll. >> [roll call] >> we have quorum. >> thank you. the first agenda item, please. >> line item 1 adoption of minutes. review and approval the minutes from sheriff department oversight board regular meeting held october 6, 2023 and the special meeting held october 13, 2023. >> so move for adoption of both. >> second. >> members of the public who like to comment on item 1,

adoption of minutes, please line up against the far wall and approach the podium. you have two minutes to give public comment. there appears to be no public comment and call the roll. member afuhaaman, aye. member brookter, aye. vice president carrion, aye. member palmer, aye. president soo, aye. member wechter, aye. the motion passes. the minutes from the regular meeting october 6, 2023 and special meeting october 13, 2023 meeting are adopted. >> thank you. next item. >> line item 2, report from dpa on sheriff's investigation. report on recent sheriff office investigation for the third quarter by the department of police accountability. diswill be limited to determining whether the

calendar any issues raised for future board meetings. mr. kind. >> thank you. good afternoon board members and president soo, vice president carrion. i'm here to represent the department police accountability by way of background, department of police accountability provides administrative investigative service for sheriff investigation for the purpose of investigating misconduct. prepared a brief presentation to go over stats and trends to keep this board informed about the current state of the investigations. displayed on the screen right now is just a very brief third quarter snapshot indicating for

the month of june-sorry, july, september and august of this year, we opened 12 new cases. that involves 28 new allegations. we closed 11 cases. we had two improper conduct findings. in other words, we made recommendations for sustained findings on two investigations and the source of most of our investigations are based in county jails 2 and 3. this next slide represents quarters 1, 2 and 3 providing a comparison from 2021, 2022 and 2023. we had already gone over data from 2021 and 2022 at the last presentation. what's this slide demonstrates is the current trends at least in not deriving anything necessarily from these numbers,

because they are relatively small numbers and numbers fluctuate. we are high compared to last two years. opens 31 cases to date in 2021 or 31 cases in third quarter 2021, 19 cases in 2022, and 35 cases in 2023. also seeing a significant increase in the number of cases that we are closing in the first three quarters. in 2021, we closed 8 cases. 2022, 11, and 2023 22. that is experience and experitous with the investigators and also getting more investigators trained to be ready to handle any upswing in the number of cases that we receive and number of investigations we need to conduct. one notable trend this year or not large enough to say it is

trend, but one notable change in the data is we added three death investigations this year and the largest number of death investigations we've opened in one year. it may not seem like a large number, but as you imagine death investigations are most in depth involving the most amount of resources. >> would you prefer we hold off questions to the end or do you want us to interrupt you? >> we are here to serve the board so at your preference. >> okay, then i have a question. 12 cases were opened, 11 cases closed. are those 11 cases of the same 12 cases or are the level 11 cases from other quarters and if they were from other cases how old were the cases that were actually closed of the 11?

>> most of the cases were closed from previous-actually, some of them overlap, but some of them were from 2022. i don't think there was cases older then 2022. all were closed within the 278 days and don't believe any of the cases closed had been told under statute of limitations so all of them have been closed within the 270 days. some of them, much shorter i think because we have been getting records much faster with the sheriff office, and we have been able to conduct interviews sooner, and hopeful that with more training, more experience and more in-house expertise developing with sheriff case, we'll be more efficient with these type of investigations. >> thank you. >> this next pie chart simply

represents that we are still getting the majority of our new cases as referrals from the sheriff office, meaning that most of the complaints are lodged with the sheriff office and then forwarded to the dpa for investigation. our hope is that with greater attention paid to the fact we built an online portal and little more encouragement we can get more folks to use the online portal. of course we would not close down any of the different avenues we created for opening complaint because we want to be able to have it as accessible to the public as possible, but there are a lot of benefits i think filing complaint through the online portal provides, namely, it will get the fastest service as well as provide us with the most accurate data. >> i have a question about phone complaints. if someone calls from the jail

after hours, how does dpa follow up on that? >> so, the message would be forwarded to intake investigator and intake investigator would then start a investigation into that and reach out to the inmate. >> also for the referrals, are all the referrals from the sheriff office? >> yes, i believe all of these represented in the third quarter for referrals from the sheriff office. weal will sometimes get referrals from other agencies, but think it is relatively rare. this next pie chart simply demonstrates that the overwhelming majority of our allegations received and you'll remember from the appendix in the last presentation, the categories of misconduct are the broadest so that tends to be in every statistical

snapshot we looked at misconduct tends to be the largest or broadest category of allegations we receive. similar to what we presented from the 2021, 2022 data, the demographics of complainants continues to be primarily black or african males, age 20-40. that will be the demographic that we would obviously focus services for. >> excuse me, regarding the allegations by type, do you break down allegations more specifically then just general misconduct? >> yes, there is a lot of allegations subtypes. for example, use of force or unnecessary use of force is misconduct subtype. >> could that be reported to us with the break-down? >> yes, as we had reported in

the previous report, we broke down by all the subtypes of allegations and something we prepare for the annual report and we would be prepared to present to this board a full 2023 statistical report some time hopefully in february or march. this last slide simply represents where our new cases originated. as i mentioned from the snapshot the majority are county jail and county jail 2 and 3. one case from the san francisco general hospital. the allegations from those three cases are fairly eveningly distributed, meaning that the case from san francisco general hospital involved more subject of investigations and yielded more new allegations and we had two

sustained allegation from a incident at the hall of justice. >> is it possible to give a breakdown of locations more specifically then by jail but pod number and also by time so would identify which shift? >> that data is all available in our database, so i'll make a note and we could easily identify with more specificity. i know secretary leung distributed to the board the article the jail was opening a annex to offer more jail space due to the increase in the inmate population so imagine that we will get potentially more areas where there are complaints. >> just to note, chief cline, when i think of disclosing very

specific information about like the pod not just the jail and the time, i assume of course that is only after an investigation is concluded, because anything pending investigation will be problematic and different privacy issues. correct? >> yes. >> that is something in your analysis you will be looking at to seeing also if it is appropriate to be--to report on those things given the status and posture of the investigation and case? >> thank you for raising that point. all our presentations we run through the len of confidentiality. if there are [indiscernible] from a particular investigation that are so unique that it would reveal information that remains confidential under that statute, we would of course filter that out. >> thank you. >> dpa--has on the website case

summary reports which are anonmizeed summaries of the allegations of the summaries for all complaints against san francisco police department. could you create something similar for the complaints against sheriff department personnel? >> we are posting what you are referring to is 293 summary or what we are calling just a ammoninized summary of what some of the allegations are, and that'scurrently posted monthly in the monthly report. if you simply filter out sfso versus sfpd cases in that section where there is short paragraph about each case you find the summary posted online right now. >> i think of what called the complaint summary report, which listed each allegation. it was anonmizeed, didn't have names or locations, and it summarized the evidence. you still post those on the website on a monthly basis? >> yes. yeah.

>> that's what i'm talking about. can you produce those if the sheriff department? >> yeah, all that data is readily available for us to assemble and any presentation for the board. i'll make a notation of what this board requested if there are additional pieces of information or other statistical data you like us to report on, certainly just filter it through secretary leung and we'll prepare that hopefully for a annual report for this board some time in early part of next year. >> posting to the website for the public would be helpful for transparency. >> certainly. >> what is also helpful probably is the staffing members and the population numbers. i am looking and know there has been-i won't say dramatic increase, but a increase with what is happening in the tenderloin with the police officers and other law enforcement agencies.

>> staffing numbers for the sheriff office? >> yeah. particularly where the complaints are happening and then i suspect with the annex and growing population there may be other issues. >> we can make that request of the sheriff office, and the daily population i think is posted and updated every day on the sheriff website as well. >> i don't think it is separated by jail. >> that's correct. we can see if we can get that data from the sheriff office as well. >> thank you. >> this board has a lot on their plate. anything else that i can assist with? >> thank you. >> we appreciate your thoroughness. thank you. >> thank you. >> next agenda item, please. >> yes madam president. line item 3. public comment on closed

session. public comment on all matters--no. >> public comment >> public comment on item 2. members of the public who like to comment on line item 2 report from dpa on sheriff office investigations please line up against the far law and podium when it is free. >> just quickly. the guy from the department of police accountability come from? or do they become part of this department? who pays them? are they elected or [indiscernible] otherwise, you have to make sure that the information you get from these department is not only [indiscernible] follows the process of integrity.

it is so important today, otherwise we are---going on and on on things that are not reliable in the end and don't work in our best interest all together because no matter the activity we are having, we are [indiscernible] that was my only remark. >> thank you. now call item. public comment on closed session. public comment on all malters pertaining to item below closed session. if you like to comment on closed session line up against the far wall and approach the podium when free. >> quickly. i said this last time so timely, just [indiscernible] the concept of closed session

raises questions all the time, because why is it closed session? everybody must feel it. the problem is most people dont care anymore. that's it the problem. but we should care. closed session means what are you talking about that the public shouldn't know immediately? [indiscernible] thank you. >> thank you. calling item 4, closed session on public employee appointment hiring, sf admin code 67.10b discussion and possible action. inspector general, position established by san francisco charter section 4.137 to head the office of inspector general. at this time, we ask members of the public step outside why the board is in closed session. for those viewing the meeting

on cable cast, we will be in closed session on your screen. we will reopen chambers and resume broadcast after closed session. [closed session] [meeting reconvened] >> call line item 5.

vote to disclose vote in closed session. vote to elect whether to disclose discussion on item 4 held in closed session. san francisco administrative code 6712a. >> i move that we keep the closed discussion closed accept that we are going to make an offer to a candidate at the highest salary range. >> is there a second? >> second. >> members of the public who like to comment on item 5, vote to disclose discussion in closed session, please line up against the far wall and approach the podium when it is free. thank you. alright. calling roll on the motion not to disclose this discussion in closed session. member afuhaaman, aye. member brookter, aye. vice president carrion, aye.

member palmer, aye. president soo, aye. member wechter, aye. the motion passes. discussion held in closed session will not be disclosed. call line item 6, quarterly report. discussion and possible action item. review and discuss s derks ob evilyuation outreach and third quarter report due to sheriff and board of supervisors pursuant to sf chapter 4.137. >> i like to in addition to community outreach to include the community outreach member palmer and i did at the san francisco county jail to receive input from individuals incarcerated in city county and i like the notes that we took of the input we received to be attached as addendum to the report just as the minutes of

the public comment at come community meetings we held with previous reports. i can share those here. >> i have a question, because --i think there is difference betweening a community member that is in the opinion and someone that is actually incarcerated. i don't think that we want to put anyone who is incarcerated in a position that anyone with identify who they were and who the comments were coming from. so, i think that to me is something that comes to mind is, to protect the confidential because we want [indiscernible] without concern of retaliation so that is a issue i like to address. >> yes, mrs. clark reviewed these and she her suggestion removed certain things she thought might be too specific,

but she felt everything in here is quite general. it is not specific to any individual, and would not in any way identify anyone, but the charter does mandate that we solicit input from persons incarcerated in the city and county under mandate for community outreach so i think what we did is a form of community outreach. >> my concern isn't the second part. i agree with the second part completely. thank you for going. it would have been best if other people would have been aware when you were going to so other board members like myself who asked to go would have been included in that. i think that there was a general consensus we wanted to move forward. i know myself i said specifically several times i wanted to be part of that process, so it is unfortunate

there wasn'tcordination. my concern isn't the public being able to identify, it is the fact sheriff deputies saw you come in, go to a particular jail house and you visited certain pods. they probably saw you going to particular places and talking to folks and i think that's the concern. it is not publishing to general comment. i think it is important that the deputies especially if we have deputies that may be the ones the concerns were raised about, and word of mouth spills very easily from the custodians to all kinds of folks. i want to make sure that the folks we are soliciting input from are safe and i don't want any deputies that may be accused of misconduct to use this process in any way to

potentially retaliate from somebody who is incarcerated. someone incarcerated. so, that is just the realty. you went to certain things at certain times where certain people were housed. it isn't hard for people to figure out. that being said, i haven't had a opportunity to review the notes. i don't necessarily have a disagreement with generalized statements as a whole. but if--see, i would be-my concerns are real. >> if i can respond to your concerns. as someone who is formally incarcerated and have retaliation by correctional officers in prison and deputies in jail, when you come forth and you voluntarily give your name, you are already know you

received the brunt of retaliation. they came into these spaces knowing that they were willing to put themselves in harms way, not to say that they are in harms way, i don't want to accuse any deputy that would do further harm to anyone, but myself, i was ready to take on harm that comes my way because the importance of oppression and brutality in the jail system means someone has to make a sacrifice and that sacrifice will come from people who received the most oppression and have the heart and courage to stand up. first of all, i want to commend those men who came forth and was willing to give their name and information in order to stop the brutality and oppression happening inside our jail system and let it be known, it is happening. second, we took their names off

out of respect for them individually, however, to your concern about them being hurt, we make sure i took every precaution that we went to a number of pods, not just one, so that there were enough people coming into a private situation, we closed the door, we spoke in confudentality and for the most part they were protected. their voice was protected and we make sure that we took great care of documenting their exact allegations. jason did a amazing job in doing that. i did most of the facilitating of the talk knowing what to say and what to do.

we do plan to make another trip there and you are definitely invited and encouraged to come see for yourself the heart-wrenching testimony of men behind bars with no voice and no apparatus for the most part to get their complaints out. it changed me. i am fighting back emotions from just remembering that day. i received trauma from having to experience what those men talked to us about and i'm one who experienced such conditions. it has taken every discipline

in my body not to step outside of the bounds of my position on this board to use my voice at kpoo every tuesday between 12 and 4, and newspapers that i write for. organizations that i move with. we just had a meeting with the sheriff department and it took every restraint i had not to violate my position on this board and any other position that i hold. but these men gave us is why we are electing our we appointing and hiring an ig. their voice, their concerns, their outcry has gone unheard when it comes to abuse.

their diet is one we wouldn't feed our dogs. their clothing are causing them to become sick. physical rashes they showed us. i can go on. it is very important that the hiring of this ig and the investigation of what's going on inside these jails be made public and that their voices are heard by any and everyone who gives a damn. >> i thank you commissioner palmer for opening yourself like that, and being vulnerable and really connecting in a meaningful way, and placing yourself in that situation where you experienced trauma and possibly relived your own trauma. i think that it really demonstrates how important it

is and how valuable you are to this board and the perspective you bring to the table and i know that those individuals felt more comfortable because they were talking to you, and because you have been there and walked those steps and i cannot imagine or even contemplate imagining what that experience may be. i-my goal is not and i want to make this very clear just because there is interpretation, my goal is not to silence those voices. my goal is to protect them so other people feel more comfortable also expressing their voice. i looked in my e-mail and couldn't have missed i didn't see the notes or what not. i'm very much aware of retaliation and harassment, and the impact of what it is to be the loan person who stands out

and fights for justice. and fights against injustice. i do not in any want to silence the voices, i want to insure because i haven't seen the notes. i haven't seen the notes. i don't know the details of it. i dont know if it was the days are on there. i dont know if the pods are there. i dont know if that specificity of information i would be as a past prosecutor of police and sheriff in the city and county would potentially put a victim, right because that's what they are, they are victims of police misconduct and police abuse at any risk. so--i'm sure city attorney clark has done a great job reviewing them and what not, so i just want-i think that it is

important to just be thoughtful and insure that that is being done to protect those voices so hopefully we can by our process empower others to feel comfortable to know they are going to be as much as possible protected and given the opportunity so maybe next time we have another-so the next time we have more visits, maybe more people will talk to you. many more people will be able to be frank because we are going to demonstrate to our incarcerated population that we are here for them when they are victimized by the people who's responsibility is to do the right thing. >> the notes are right here if you want them. i could not send the [indiscernible] >> okay. >> did not approve until yesterday. >> i will intervene because i

received an urgent e-mail and i responded to member palmer right away, and i said, the immediate course of action should have them file complaints directly, and i didn't get any follow-up and frankly uncomfortable publishing this now because not only do i see possible retaliation possibly from sheriff to inmate, but between inmates, and i want to remind everyone, we are a quasi-judicial board here, so any kind of things that come before us we have to make a decision. i don't want to taint any investigation. that is quhi why i thought it was best to have the complaints directed to dpa, and we also had discussion about how inmates go about that and assignments of tablets. i was concerned about even

having information where people could be identified, and i don't dispute it is a urgent matter. i didn't get any further response. the other part i'm really concerned about is, this should have been a entire board kind of meeting and we could have gone in and i want discussion with the city attorney, but the entire board should go there as closed session and observe and take testimony because it shouldn't be just one or two people going so we are all there so that the people effected by the justice system have confidence the entire board is watching for their wellbeing and the conditions. so, that's a really big concern of mine. >> i have a question for commissioner palmer if that's okay. commissioner palmer, i just received this for the first time now. it is about a page and 3 quarters of notes.

i haven't been able because we just literally passed around a piece of paper and didn't realize this is what we were talking about. were you the person who drafted this or was this commissioner wechter, and do you think-what are your thoughts? i would want your perspective. if you read this, would you be-understanding my concerns i think that i articulated. i don't have a issue with identifying direct concerns. like expressed concerns. these are very specific things. i wonder if there is ways though to do that without mentioning-i dont know if we need to make this public because it is considered. i hope not. when it was happened-- >> it wasn't agendized. >> it wasn't agendized.

>> can i interject. i think what you are talking about is whether to include this as part of the quarterly report is my understanding. is that not what you are discussing now? >> yep. >> in general, the content of it i agree and understood that would be at another meeting. >> i see. >> this is the first time hearing about the proposal included in the quarterly report which i don't think is necessarily a problem, but i just want to be clear, that is what you are discussing, because i agree, in general the content of the jail visit and how you address that in the future, whether you have another site visit, all that i think should be on another-should be agendized to have the fuller discussion but now is whether this should be attached to the quarterly report. this should be part of the quarterly report. >> it is even having that particular visit was that a full board sanctioned outreach? the other things we had have been publicly noticed and it

has been open to every board member. >> right, butthalities that's not on the agenda. >> no, but we are talking what to include in the quarter report. all that community outreach were things publicly announced and ownen to the entire board. this particular issue was not open to the entire board and wasn't per se a board sanctioned community outreach. >> i have to say that it was open to the board to go. jason made it very clear what he wanted to do here in the meeting. i said yes, i would go. the vp said she would go, and we made it under the three panel that we have done for other projects, so this wasn't not--this wasn't like it wasn't disclosed. we said what we were going to do and anyone was welcome to step up. as far as the dpa is concerned,

of course, we can let them know what we found, but after talking to you i wanted to make sure this was a discussion we all had as a panel of what we say and go to them, because again, i didn't want to step out of bounds as a board member. however, when we went in it wasn't a question of what are your complaints, what are your-what is going on here. we were not asking them to say anything other then the question was, what would you like to see the sheriff office improve on and what not. what would you like to see the inspector general? they are no idea what any of that was about. they gave a rats you know what about that. what they wanted to say was, what is going on and what is hidden. i work with the san francisco jail justice coalition under our great leader ann retiring and taking time away.

shout out to her dedication. we fought to get those tablets in there so there could be a 602 process which is an appeal process that will be able to be immediate, that will documentation when it happened, time stamped and would be a record that couldn't be thrown in the trash can and all we heard the 602 on papers were thrown in the trash. it was given to the person complaining about and it did go somewhere it was thrown in the trash. dpa should know about this. the reason it is not because the people inside the jail is making sure it doesn't. we want to make that very clear. >> my question is, how come that information isn't on the notes? if that's the first thing they came and said, how come it isn't in the notes?

commissioner palmer, i really want your leadership in this, because and thank you because you are being a leader and have been a leader on this. i are want to go about this thoughtfully and carefully in the right way and i think there are perspectives i have as trying in my interest of producting victims that are just like immediately come to mind, how can we insure these victims are protected and but at the same time that their voices are heard in this process. i think it is challenging balance to score, but i believe that it is our responsibility to do the work to get to that balancing. i never like getting things handed to me and saying, hey, let's agree to this now. i would have been helpful to

get this in advance. life happens, i understand that, so if feels a little- >> [indiscernible] remember this was the last meeting. right before the last meeting i was approached and i said, i am uncomfortable having openingly discussed because i don't know what is in it and don't want to reveal identities, but give meings additional information. between right before the last meeting and this meeting, i didn't receive anything, so my only question and my only response at the time was, can you make sure it gets directly people know to get directly to dpa now and you have the information so you could as proxy and don't know if you did it or not. i am hoping you on behalf of the people who trusted you to be able to advance their complaints to dpa so it has been immediately addressed and

then part of it also is to know whether or not these particular issues are being investigated, because if it hasn't been investigated then we know they never received the complaints that should have been advanced. but if they are investigating it, this adds more. this also i guess if you will, closes any gaps in terms of the investigation and the whole process. >> can i say something because i want to make sure i understand. the issue is maybe we should have a more formalized process of how we outreach with the inmates, or-- >> my issue is, because their names are not on here so dont understand the retaliation piece of it. second, i do agree with palmer. they are coming to them and telling them information willing to go on the record for it, but you guys made the decision to remove their names.

>> i guess, but is that true? i don't know that. did you ask them if we could publicize what they are saying? >> yeah, i asked them. we asked them and they gave us their name and made sure he wrote it down correctly. >> okay. >> second piece i want to say is that, what jason is saying part of our charter of the board we have that right to talk with inmates and i want the open line. yes, we have a existing process with dpa, but that process is clearly broken because that was there before the fight club scandal. so, again, it is just further prove like, hey, you can go to dpa and also come to us, but i understand what you mean about you are saying about we might be doing double work. what they are complaining about is already handled by dpa. >> it is not even double work, but also making sure there is con confidentiality and record

keeping. if there are not complaints on record that is evidence that it isn't getting through. if it is currently being investigated how long has the process been going on and why has it taken x amount of time to address it. obviously it wasn't addressed. i say a document like this doesn't really help to resolve the issues and it is too detailed for a quarterly report. >> got it. >> what do you think about commissioner palmer, if we were to not go into details, but address the issues? like if we could address these are the general issues and-because the quarterly report to me is what's the purpose of it? the quarterly report is to inform the board of supervisors, the mayor and more importantly the community of what is it we are doing. so, we want to make sure they know, we have gone out of our

way and yes, we can work on making the process better for all board members. we are learning and we are learning and i give credit to that. everyone makes mistakes, believe me, i know, and we can do better the next time. that is fine. for the purpose if our purpose is to highlight the issues that these folks talked to you about, then i would recommend-i don't know if the time table, if there would be a-i like the idea of the issues. if we had one sentence of a issue for each one, i think that makes sense. that kind of incorporates all those things without the detail, but because i think that's kind of what we have in the minutes for the comments for the community. community members some spoke a lot longer, but their

statements were synthesizeed. i assume there is already a synthesis of information to hopefully incapsulate all that, right? and some of them don't even have the detail. so, if the purpose is to identify the issues and recognize that by identifying the issues we inform the public who may have--unless they have a loved one or have experienced themselves, would have no idea of this. how else can we use this information in a meaningful way? >> yeah. >> because i don't think-i don't want to make it seem and i think this is what we should never do is, throw away good work. you did great work going in there and thank you to both to doing it. i would have wanted to be there as well, but that's okay, because i will next time and that's okay.

so, for the purposes of this quarterly report, i think i want to be able to say those voices, we already have it on our agenda. the more i think through because thinking through as we talk about it, we already have the agenda of where you guys were going and the date, right? so, that's already public knowledge. >> was it on the agenda? >> was it on the agenda? it wasn't on the agenda. >> it discussed. this is the suggestion that i have--is that, for the next meeting, we could synthesize. remember when i asked about priorities and i didn't receive from you member palmer, but i assuming that it was about community and especially conditions, so i talked about even having health and we didn't get the director of jail health, but i think what would

be more helpful and easier to address and more generalized is if we have health conditions and then underneath bullet points of things that you found and observed and then, we have-- >> [indiscernible] >> health and medical. but under that also goes to food conditions, because that was brought up a long time ago and then the lack of access to fresh air and sunlight and then i think there was a report that required more outdoor exercise not held. we have it in different categories, and then communications, grievance process. not existing and so if we just have topical categories and some more specifics so still general and bullet points, i think that would be something that could be addressed more readily and then we can have

reports at our meet ings. i don't want have to presentations people come and talk and doesn't lead to something. that is why i try to be ord rly and have a calendar year worth of benchmarks and hopefully next month we will see a ig. i expect we will have town halls and community meetings with the ig and i also want to be there as a entire board at the jails. i think it is very important we all be present so that at least there is a perception there is unity and we care and we want to address these issues. when it becomes piece-male and we have discussions, if we are there and observing and listening, then it is a concerted effort and i think it is more expedient and things could be addressed in a more reasonable fashion. >> i make a motion that these

notes be attached to the quarterly report as an addendum so that will be transparency and we can do all the things you want to do later on, but i think it is important that the sheriff and board of supervisors and public hear what we heard, and this has been stripped down quite a bit to remove any identifying information. none involves a specific complaint. i did tell the people we met with, if you have a specific complaint, here's the phone number for dpa, 415-241-7711. >> yes, you did. >> more comfortable for- >> i made a motion. >> let's have discussion on it, please. >> very interesting. first and foremost and want to thank you for going inside and having the conversations. that is what i want to lead with. as colleagues, which we all

are, there are times where there are events that do take places where everybody isn't going to be notified t. is the nature of what it is we do. we have schedules and families and jobs so i'm okay with that. i think what i'm hearing and what needs to happen is it needs to be something more formal. maybe even a suggestion on our agenda that there is a section for members to be able to report out on things you might have done on your own in terms of discussions with the sheriff department, or with other colleagues as well. i am completely okay and comfortable with the document itself. i think what i'm hearing and would be comfortable with is if we say that moving forward i do think this sort of information should be in our quarterly report, but i think we would need the time to work through exactly what that looks like so all folks and all parties feel comfortable. again, i want to lead with, thank you and i do agree, jason, this information does need to be out there.

i just think we need to figure out exactly what it looks like and where it goes within our quarterly report. >> quick correction. second person i did thank them as well. >> for sure, but i want to be the first to lead with it. >> that is very true. >> i want to say, that visit was the most meaningful time i have spent on this board. walking into those rooms, shaking each hands of each of those men asking their name, telling them my name and letting them know we are here to listen to you and i probably said a couple dozen words and did most of the talking and i took notes. but it was a very meaningful experience for me to hear those stories. i think it is very important. i want to continue doing it and i think what we heard needs to be out there and that's why i want this attached to the quarterly report and certainly going forward we can talk about

doing this collaboratively and more people going out there, but if we are reporting on outreach activities we did in the past quarter, this was one of those outreach activities. just as the night out activity was. >> may i make a suggestion? my suggestion is--i do believe we should take up the date. it has been discussed, but i think that we should take off the date. just a little bit more. maybe i'm being a little more precautious, but i had to be because i had witness, victims that were incarcerated all a sudden turn and say they are no longer going to testify. i had to stop investigations

because we [indiscernible] because the victim who is an incarcerated person won't move forward. i understand what the goal is. i understand what we are trying to do. i think we can go about it next time in a better fashion, but we can go forward and based on what i'm hearing and i think the good faith i would support this being attached as is as a collaborative effort to recognize that we are working together to move this board into getting these voices being heard in the best way. i would request that just a date be exclude d. >> okay. good idea. thank you. >> my suggestion and just because i would have liked time to digest this a little bit more, but in terms of attaching this as a report, i just think i get a little lost about like,

maybe if we could optimize it to be-to prioritize the issues a bit. i don't know--i personally dont want to publish this because i think if we can refor mat it that would be my suggestion. yeah, that's it. >> i like how you formatted and presented things when i ask ed for things informally. i don't know if this is the document that is best to address things. i agree with-there are all high priorities. i like to see it more where the sheriff can take action immediately and this i don't know if people will parse through it and then i also think i would rather see a memo we put out by the board

formally to the sheriff office. >> i agree. i want to say that i support sheriff me miyamoto. he is one of the best sheriff we have had. he is fighting a extreme uphill battle in transforming the culture of the deputies inside the jail. i go into the jails myself as a artist to beautify the space so children visiting their parents don't have to visit them in a space that is so sterile and incarceral and have that type of effect on them. there are other people who work with the sheriff inside the sheriff office that have a lot of respect for. a lot of times their hands are tied because they are working

outside of their visual, their every day experience. sheriff miyamoto does not work a 8 hour shift inside a pod. he doesn't know what's going on continuously inside a pod, and some of the assistant sheriff and under-sheriffs so my goal and sure jason's goal is to work with this board to do the best that we can for those people inside that are forced to live under these conditions and whatever that looks like, because we say we are all learning, we are--i'm new here in this experience in this level of agency, so everybody on the board i respect. all the opinions that were stated, and how best we move forward is good. let's do it as a team. >> how would you suggest it be

reformatted? >> well- >> i don't think it has to be on the spot to suggest how it is reformatted. just for consistency. i do think it should be added just because of the date we do have, but should look similar to the section we have under community outreach. that is what we called it. it should share within this document that is going to the board of supervisors that we did go inside and visited the jail. and then i think what should happen moving forward are these notes and this sort of specificity to me should come in a report from the individuals that went so that we can move on some of these things that are in here. if we can as a body. if that makes sense. saying it should be addressed in the report, i don't think in this level of specificity as an addendum it needs to go with it. if you read here under community outreach it takes about the members invited to

national night out. chinatown and engaged the community. i think a similar sentence that go tuesday goes to the board of supervisors. suffice for quarterly report, and we should have member reports that come out from us that are a lot more specific like the document we have here, so we can discuss format and what can we take away from what it was that was shared. >> i think that limit transparency. i think the reason these men talked to us is they want these issues known. they want them out and- >> i think when we share public, everything is public record. this is all- >> right now this isn't. not unless we put it in-not unless we attach to the quarterly report. that is why i wanted attached as addendum. >> what i'm suggesting is put on the agenda for the next meeting we have then it is public this document. >> actually, can i just interject for a second, because

materials that whole board is looking at on a item that is in closed session, it is something that the secretary will have to post at the close of the meeting, so it is--going to be made public. whether or not it is part of the quarterly report is a different issue. >> that's why i was troubled that something was circulated before a meeting and so-- >> i don't want to be surprised by other board members last minute before hand on a document that will be really integral to our mission. just for the future. let me finish please. let me finish. i understand there is good intention here and i understand we got really great ideas. i apologize to bookter for my incorrect correction, because like i said, we all make mistakes. but that brings up another issue. this is why we have to be thoughtful about these because

we have these procedures and they are there for a reason. i agree with brookter's approach, this is cat is out of the bag. let's make a commitment to each other as board members to try to think about what is our main goal. i know we are all here because we care about these issues. we are not getting--for some it is time away is time lost in so many different ways. financially, all these different things. so, i don't want to be surprised like this in the future where it is like lets do this and do this because i want to be thoughtful of this and i want you all to be my team members and we are team members whether we have strident and contentious disagreements and thought processes and you don't need have to like me but i demand you respect me and it

feels disrespectful to be bambuzzled with this and it puts my guard up because i go into what are we doing, how to protect victims, how can we best do this and we are having a lot of conversations in a way that it doesn't have to be antagonistic and doesn't have to be that way. i hope that this can be yet another learning experience for our commission. i really appreciate commissioner bookter's suggestions and agree with it. this is already--now since it is passed around, public record. so it will be available and it will be available now, so i think--we dont need to attach it because it is available on the website. >> let me explain again why it is--i did not have any intention bringing this forth until mrs. clark approved it.

i had sent her a copy of this with additional information, she highlighted sections, she thought i should remove, i removed them. i sent the revised version and it was only when i got her approval that i thought to bring it forward to the board that i did so. that was late yesterday. >> i think you should have advised me as the president and the vice president and we are also attorneys, so i think we have good judgment legal judgment about what would be proper and it was a whole month in between and i never got any response back after i first got notice that it was--things were urgent. again, i dont want surprises. i don't want to hear things in the newspaper that often times are inaccurate.

we had one candidate who interviewed and said i read this in the paper and it wasn't accurate. that's-again, it is a disrespectful way to do things and undermines-not just confidence in our board, confidence in the process and you know, it is just inexcusable and you say you have so many years in investigation. now i wonder if you kept things confidential and done things by procedure. this is not a good way to do things and the information here is very useful. it could be presented in a better way, but if you had come to any of us or brought it up ahead of time, we could have discussed it. that is what i'm troubled by and it also means that there might have been delays getting these things addressed and i also want everyone who is effected by the justice system to be able to come out and feel

comfortable, but this is not the way to make them feel comfortable. >> if i can madam president there was a motion put on the table. just to kind of pull us back. i guess the great thing being a democratic body there are safeguards of us being able to dething. there was a motion on the floor. >> i do want to point out that discussion in the previous quarterly reports you made a motion president soo to add language we hadn't heard and added and there were several paragraphs included in the final vurz version that we didn't have a opportunity to vote on. this has been occasions when things have been brought up at the meeting where the quarterly report was discussed where additional language was proposed. >> you wereprint present at the time to present the report but didn't present early enough to meet deadlines so i offered

to do things. you were president for a entire year and didn't move things forward and tried to help you. we are a entire body. and you want to present your own personal agenda when we are supposed to work together and so, if you are trying to make any one person look bad you are making the entire board work bad. i let my work speak. >> i think the personal attacks over me over the last year made the board look bad. most people who observe the meetings commented upon that. they felt it is unprofessional. oversight community has been looking at this and has a very negative view oof the way this board behaved. i worked in the oversight committee a long time. well known and well respected and people hear your personal attacks and go, that's not true because they know me. >> you portray as a victim and

you have been victimizing everybody else on the board. >> can take a 5 minute break maybe? just a suggestion. >> [multiple speakers] >> the board will be in >> we are back in open session. the time is 347 p.m. >> i want to suggest we put this over to the next meeting to discuss. another opportunity to look at this and think about it. i thought it might be a compromise to diffuse things. >> just want to confirm it deadline doesn't issue with it deadline, the reporting i want to make sure we don't miss

anything. the quarterly report is due what date again? i just dont know that-not sure. >> i think there isn't anything in the charter that says a due date so dont think there is a due date. >> alright. just wanted to confirm that. i have no problem with continuing this conversation and hopefully it can be conducted in a different way. >> i'll make a motion to continue this agenda itedm item to the next meeting. i withdraw my earlier motion and make a motion to continue this agenda item 6, quarterly report to our next meeting. >> i second. >> for members of the public who like to make public comment on line item 6, report quarterly report, please line up at the far wall and approach

the podium when it is free. >> long to wait, but fine. interesting to listen to you. i know it took you 45 minutes before saying the word, goal. so, the goal it seems to me it is to improve the system which has to be a mess in jail, because if you look at what's going on out of jail, it is a mess, so the pgoal is improve. you should [indiscernible] generally speaking you must push the concept of responsibility and critical thinking. remember something, when you are-you have nothing to fear if you know what you are doing is good. there is something important to remember is the bad guys like it when you speak honesty

[indiscernible] they respect that very much. it is not necessarily the best solution. you chicken out and nob mob when you have something to report. that is the way it works. so, keep that in mind, please. you can definitely improve the system if you--not that easy obviously, but remember, responsibility-don't be afraid to speak the truth. but again, you must make sure first you did nothing wrong. [indiscernible] >> thank you. do we need to take a vote? >> [indiscernible] >> calling the roll on the motion to continue this line item. member afuhaaman, aye.

member brookter, aye. vice president carrion, aye. member palmer, aye. president soo, aye. member wechter, aye. the motion passes. this line item will be continued to the next meeting. call item 7, future agenda items. discussion and possible action. >> if i may. >> yes. >> i was thinking for future agenda items, i like added to the agenda a section that talks about reports from members, because i also think it would be good given that you gave us instruction to provide what we want to look at as members that we have that section to where when we go to events or we have something that we want to bring to the body we can do in that section. it doesn't mean every month someone has to come with

something. you may have nothing but it allows that section when things are new that do come from city attorney or come s last minute we can at least be able to have discan cushion about it. doesn't have to be a decision made, but allows for members to give presentations on things they are doing within community to the full board. >> i am looking at the city attorney right now. >> i'll work with the secretary. ideally you would give the secretary a sense of what you are going to report on just so members of the public have an idea-doesn't have to be a lot of detail or final, but--so, if i was understanding correctly it is like reports from members. ideally someone would let the secretary know ahead of time if they are planning to give a report so you can have the subject matter what you report is on the agenda that would be better. while i'm talking one thing

mentioned to president soo at the break probably important to tell everyone, i don't think you can have a closed session visit to the jail. there are only certain things that can happen in closed session and i don't think this falls under that, and you guys remember how you had to have the training and groups of three so you didn't have a quorum so you were not having a meeting. but there is nothing to prevent three people at a time or some number fewer then four going around the same time to hopefully accomplish the same task. >> thank you. >> future agenda item i love to discuss. i xoe we are all most at the finish line with ig. should we at some point chat about the priorities that we want? >> yes. that was--so, i think i had asked for priorities again and

we had discussed it before. i was hoping we would have the under-sheriff make a report. she is quite busy. chief indicates she may come next month or extend to january because she's definitely in the thick of budget and they are trying to onboard a cfo, which is crucial right now. but, part of what i hope she would report to is how they handle things internally once a full investigation is completed from dpa. just in general terms, and how she parses out particular complaints and investigations based on severity. the other--so, the top priority is we community engagements and then i had mentioned health. we still did not calendar somebody reporting on health in

particular. the doctor in charge of jail health and i think a lot of these issues hopefully will be addressed and this was at the particular doctor who was on leave for quite a while and so that was an issue as well. i am not get nothing to reasons why she was on leave, but it is still a major issue for us and i think that will be ongoing and then i think as we synthesize these particular issues members palmer and wechter found out at their jail visit, looking at how we can get those addressed and remedied in the quickest fashion. then from member nguyen, he would really like to look at the working conditions of the deputy-how to enhance officer safety and working with a

strong partnership with other law enforcement agencies addressing the mental health of the deputies. so, those are some issues and think that really-a year goes by pretty quickly so why i like to try to prioritize things. we discussed health so long. i think the other priority we talked about were services, so reentry prior to reentry, a lot of educational opportunities and the apprenticeship and job training opportunities and then supportive services on reentry. i think member palmer you would be very instrumental in that particular-those particular portions. >> i like to for future agenda items find time if fot here in

city hall, special town hall or san francisco jail justice coalition, they requested they would love to appear here and talk about the things they do and find and work on for the jail population, but two fridays have been very difficult for most of them, so we could find a better opportunity for them to appear before the board or in the community outreach program, that would be great. second, this might seem kind of trivial at first or superficial, i like for us to take a board photo and to create a culture for this board and legacy for the board, we being the first to sit on this board, and possibly design a letterman jacket so we can wear and create that unifying team

spirit that we should be having. >> make us new bracelets? [laughter] >> that would be great too. >> so, will you send the contact information on the justice coalition to both me and secretary--that way if we need to have a special session or it could be coordinated with maybe another community meeting. and then i think another priority was to recalendar the glide meeting. >> actually commissioner palmer, didn't they say at this point they needed some space? glide? because we rescheduled and they put a lot of work and we kept rescheduling and canceling, so i think--i think maybe we

should work-reach out and say, what are your next event plans that you have and how can we come to you and your constituents, rather then doing all the work they have done for us. i think we need to make-i feel the need to make amends. if i may finish. i would like to maybe possibly reach out and see there is ways that we can work within their schedule if they are open to us or if it even just testing the waters of is it too soon. that's all. >> just answer that question, they did say any type of engagement with us will have to be next year. the next available-- >> dan had communicated that to us. but i think in the future because dan had expended a lot of energy on trying to calendar meetings that it would be much easier if we were invited to

that meeting, so in particular, even town halls by the different supervisors as well. >> in addition to jail justice coalition i like to hear from representatives of public defender office because they are the most frequent contact with people in the jails about what they are hearing and the concerns they have. i also since we now will have an inspector general i like to have presentations by experienced oversight practitioner on best practices for establishing an investigative and model agency. what is going to be necessary to make that agency succeed. the required training, resources and staffing which also the source of support for when we seek budgeting for those items. if we have recognized experts in the field saying this is necessary to make a office succeed. i also like the presentation on

anonmizeed information regarding lawsuits and settlements against the sheriff office and judgment for the past 5 years. that resulted in significant maybe over $25 thousand settlements and steps taken by the sheriff office to address any behavioral or conditions systemic behavioral conditions that result in the settlements or adverse judgments and again that information can be anonmizeed. >> as a past prosecutor that worked on this, i have to say i would also appreciate that there is a lot of wealth of information in the da office that actually works with these victims, these particular victims, and deals with the complexity and the challenges and investigating and prosecutors this and i think i would agree with commissioner wechter that the public defenders are very important in their perspective but think we

should also reach out to the prosecutors that work with victims and families of doing the investigation of police and sheriff misconduct as well as through the prosecution of them. >> you mean victims and families of people incarcerated thin jail? jarks >> yeah. they are the victims identified and the potential defendants are peace officers, deputies. >> maybe we can get anonmizeed information on the criminal referrals they made. i think they have a separate internal affairs that handles criminal investigations they refer to the district attorney office. i have no idea what the numbers of those are. i would hope they are very low, but i just don't know. >> not going to venture anything mid-case. >> they wouldn't-no one talk about mid-case if you are a

prosecutor. you aret noallowed to. even afterwards there is confidentality you are not allowed to. >> since dpa only investigate certain classifications of complaints, typically the more serious ones i like regular reports from the sheriff department on the number and type of complaints received in the last month or quarter. the number and type of grievances submitted by incarcerated individuals within the last month or quarter, including facility or location. we can have a sense of where complaints are coming from and what they are about. i also like a revisiting to the statistics chief gave us about the sheriff office design to the special patrol operations in the tenderloin. i think that was a good presentation showing the statistics on the arrests,b the number of people referred to

drug treatment programs, and the number of people who entered those treatment programs. i think it is very useful to be kept abreast of what's happening with those ongoing efforts and the tenderloin and south of market. >> i think last thing that i hear some of that, maybe-we get reports from the sheriff and i mentioned this at nauseam prioritizing what we get from the sheriff, but it may be helpful to identify key categories we say every time you report can you give us a update on this, because these are the things that are so central to the work we are doing, so it doesn't become a situation that we have tons of requests that might not be-that are difficult to come through.

it goes back to--i always go back to the idea and even this is very public right now of, the under-staffing of the sheriff. maybe we can think about this as a future agenda item of, as a board, can we-we have identified the priorities that we want them to focus on, but for the reporting, if we want to-if it would be helpful and maybe we can just ask the sheriff too-is it going to be helpful if we consistently ask for the same things so you don't have to reinvent the wheel of getting the information and you can be more expeditious or maybe we can work with the sheriff a little bit more about those reports. >> if i may vice president carrion, that's what-one of my favorite words is template. i tried to be very consistent

what i ask for and it has got to be germane to what we are doing. i don't want reporting just to have a report or someone speak. things we can utilize to see if there are particular trends or improvements. the sheriff office is vastly different from the police department. i have seen the police department be able to push a button and be able to pget a report. that is not the case and already had a presentation from it as you may recall from sh sheriff office. until we are there, i think if we get maybe monthly or quarterly reports on categories of the complaints and how they are addressed. i think it will be helpful when i do get to meet with the under-sheriff. we were supposed to meet and been quite busy. and then more i guess on a little of a scary note, she will retire soon as well, so hopefully she will be able to

get the cfo up to speed and then her successor. she has a wealth of information and i want to make sure we get at least a presentation from her for a overview and so that when we do ask for things that it is very direct and germane to what we are doing and helps to improve the sheriff office. >> in speaking of the district attorney office, if they give a presentation i like information on the number of arrests made by sheriff deputies on the special project in the tenderloin and soma that they dismissed and the reasons for the dismissalism i think they usually have categories like lack of evidence or-you would be more familiar with that vice president carrion. i think that would be useful to know. >> the only issue-that is correct. there are different codes you do like need future investigations in interest of justice, there is about 20, 30

some on different codes for that. the only thing that i have to say, i think that would be-my interest in bringing the da was more a education kind of process. we are looking at oversight and those issues, versus our role and what we do is only-it is not criminal, so it doesn't seem as specific to request that data and i'm not sure because i know the disclosure of that might be governed under certain rules. i wouldn't tell a bunch of people, this case dismissed because of this reason. there are certain protocols for that, and i do also think while that is helpful information, does it go to what we do as a board? there is a difference to me from the criminal process and the different administrative

process that we deal with now, because our inspector general is not going to be dealing with the criminal. they go to the da and i think it would be important for us to build a partnership, but we may be over-stepping by going into a realm that we are not charged to look at by the charter. doesn't mean we can't learn from that realm. i think that's more of my interest is learning best practice, because i learned so much and i find that that experience is instrumental to what i think i can contribute here on this board. >> the reason i ask for that is because i recently attended the international association of chief of police conference in san diego. there was a excellent presentation there from a prosecutor who worked with the police agency and found many of the cases were having to be dismissed or were dismissed on appeal because the bad search

and seizures. he talked about how he addressed that by doing intensive training with that unit on constitutional law and that significantly improved the outcomes in court. it could go to are the deputies making these arrests, did they know enough about constitutional law or is there a area there that the sheriff may want to look at and improve the training. >> i don't see how that connects because you are asking for data. you are asking for specific numbers of why it-the codes for dismissal for specific cases. it isn't asking about the training. we have all that information right now. >> also add to scope of work is not within-that is something for the sheriff office to deal with. >> if deputies are making arrests that are not adhering to constitutional law that it is something we should be aware

of and that would be one way of gauging it. that is a recognized outcome you can look at to see the success of a oversight entity is, are the law enforcement officers making an arrest or doing searches that are thrown out by the courts because they are done improperly. >> that is not how it works, but--interesting because that is a search and seizure argument that then is litigated in a criminal proceeding. right? so, that information is not something that would be the charging. if there is a illegal search and seizure, there needs to be evidence like possible cause for that,b which includes the warrant and if it is warrantless, all those things. it isn't as if you find a code

that says unreasonable search and seizure. you will see a lack-you will not get that-it is not data that can be easily pulled first of all, and again, i-commissioner afuhaaman just also commented, it is outside our scope, so we have a lot of work to do. we have a lot of work to do. >> jail conditions, i think it is looking at working conditions of the deputies, improving staffing. and we got a budget to deal with. we don't have a budget we are not going to do any of this. >> it does fall under patrol operations which is something we charter. >> it does, but that part of the patrolling is smaller so i would think it is lower in priority and if you want to address the jail conditions and then also families effected by

the criminal justice ist systems and the visits are limited now because of staffing. >> one interesting way to look at it rather then thinking about criminal is how many misconduct complaints have been done due to patrolling. that is information we could get from like dpa, how many misconduct complaints have come from patrolling? that i think would be more in line with what we are charged to do. >> that really won't reflect whether deputies are making good arrests or searches. it is something a continuing process and not something that they do as a normal course of duty the way the police department does. they have traditionally very limited patrol duties. this is a new fairly new assignment for them. >> especially they trained. >> right. i want to know if they carry out the training effectively by

making solid arrests or are some arrests dismissed by the da office because they see they did not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion. that is what i'm curious finding out. >> i believe we can get that information from the sheriff, not the da office because they have to file the reports. they would have record of that, not the da. let's get the information from where we can get it from and we are operating to. me bringing in the da seeing a valuable partner we can learn from in different ways, just like we can learn from the public defenders in many ways. i understand the concern. i think i agree with looking into that issue to make sure that the sheriffs are patrolling appropriately, i don't think method of getting that information is by going through it da office. i think we can do that in a different way that is more

aligned with how we are charged to do our work and what we are authorized to do our work, which is to work with dpa and to work with the sheriff. they should have the-i can't imagine and we can ask, does the sheriff have the information of how many cases their deputies submitted to the da and not charged? right? >> if they keep that information. they may not. >> that's a good question. maybe they need to. we don't know. that's all i'm saying. i'm not trying to [indiscernible] the issue, because i think that is a valid issue, especially since it is new and a resident of the tenderloin i live in this environment and it is my home and these are my neighbors, so i recognize the importance of it. i just again want to go about it in the way that aligns with what we are charged with. >> maybe someone listening to this will make a public records

request of the district attorney and obtain the information. >> so, member wechter, i will try to refeign making public record request when sometimes a simple request works a lot better and we want to demonstrate how it improves our work, but right now i dont think going to the da office for this data necessarily improves and helps us with what we are doing. >> i respectfully disagree, but we can disagree, it's alright. >> any other future agenda items? >> just as reminder, chief requested that when i give him items and if any items come up that at least there is a three week turn around time so he knows which particular personnel he needs to call on. >> if no other discussion for

members of the public that like to comment on item 7, please line up against the far wall or approach the podium when it is free. calling line item 8, general public comment. the public is welcome to address the board up to 2 minutes on items that did not pupeer appear on the agenda but in the subject matter jurisdiction of the board. personnel nor board members are required to respond to questions but may provide brief response. general public comment is items that did not appear on the agenda. if you like to comment line up against the wall and approach the podium when it is free. >> yes. i just want to [indiscernible] something about bad guys. i think it is important to understand there are bad good guys and good bad guys. it is very important. guys who [indiscernible] bad

guys but pretend to be good guys. i wish-i want to address something--i'm amazed by the way you wear your mask by a surgeon where the surgeon [indiscernible] and you still are able to talk. amazed by this. honesty. to the sheriff miyamoto, you don't--you have to make your team strong. please, you push the concept through you-talking to the sheriff-push the concept of responsibility on critical thinking. you must do that. going to help a lot. the future will be beautiful, but we are the [indiscernible] all comes from the wrong system of education. [indiscernible] been going on for ages.

so it created in some people emotional disorder leading them to delusion of [indiscernible] people who want the control the world, not knowing they can't. it is impossible. so, now the future will be beautiful, but we have to deal with this unintelligence. 20 seconds. something to help you here--technology works against us today because the way it is now it has become our enemy, so just help you. when you use your cell phone, understand you are working for the weaponization of technology, not good idea. you are taking part. the future is against weaponization if we want beauty. otherwise we are not able to achieve that. it is a process, but--just a

idea for you to [indiscernible] thank you. >> thank you. call item line, adjournment. action. all in favor? >> aye. >> any nays? >> just one reminder, any suggested charter amendment changes should be submitted to dan so we can entertain that at the next meeting. >> thank you president. meeting is adjourned at 4:21 p.m. [meeting adjourned]

>> shared spaces have transformed san francisco's adjacent sidewalks, local business communities are more resilient and their neighborhood centers are more vibrant and mildly. sidewalks and parking lanes can be used for outdoor seating, dining, merchandising, and other community activities. we're counting on operators of shared spaces to ensure their sites are safe and accessible for all. people with disabilities enjoy all types of spaces. please provide at least 8 feet of open uninterrupted sidewalk so everyone can get through. sidewalk diverter let those who have low vision navigate through dining and other activity areas on the sidewalk. these devices are rectangular planters or boxes that are placed on the sidewalk at the ends of each shared space

and need to be at least 12 inches wide and 24 inches long and 30 inches tall. they can be on wheels to make it easy to bring in and out at the start and the end of each day. but during business hours, they should be stationary and secure. please provide at least one wheelchair accessible dining table in your shared space so the disability people can patronize your business. to ensure that wheelchair users can get to the wheelchair accessible area in the park area, provide an adequate ramp or parklet ramps are even with the curb. nobody wants to trip or get stuck. cable covers or cable ramps can create tripping hazards and difficulties for wheelchair users so they are not permitted on sidewalks. instead,

electrical cables should run overhead at least ten feet above sidewalk. these updates to the shared spaces program will help to ensure safety and accessibility for everyone, so that we can all enjoy these public spaces. more information is available at sf.govt/shared spaces. >> i view san francisco almost as a sibling or a parent or something. i just love the city. i love everything about it. when i'm away from it, i miss it like a person. i grew up in san francisco kind

of all over the city. we had pretty much the run of the city 'cause we lived pretty close to polk street, and so we would -- in the summer, we'd all all the way down to aquatic park, and we'd walk down to the library, to the kids' center. in those days, the city was safe and nobody worried about us running around. i went to high school in spring valley. it was over the hill from chinatown. it was kind of fun to experience being in a minority, which most white people don't get to experience that often. everything was just really within walking distance, so it make it really fun. when i was a teenager, we didn't have a lot of money. we could go to sam wong's and get super -- soup for $1.

my parents came here and were drawn to the beatnik culture. they wanted to meet all of the writers who were so famous at the time, but my mother had some serious mental illness issues, and i don't think my father were really aware of that, and those didn't really become evident until i was about five, i guess, and my marriage blew up, and my mother took me all over the world. most of those ad ventures ended up bad because they would end up hospitalized. when i was about six i guess, my mother took me to japan, and that was a very interesting trip where we went over with a boyfriend of hers, and he was working there. i remember the open sewers and gigantic frogs that lived in the sewers and things like that. mostly i remember the smells very intensely, but i loved japan. it was wonderful. toward the end. my mother had a breakdown, and

that was the cycle. we would go somewhere, stay for a certain amount of months, a year, period of time, and she would inevitably have a breakdown. we always came back to san francisco which i guess came me some sense of continuity and that was what kept me sort of stable. my mother hated to fly, so she would always make us take ships places, so on this particular occasion when i was, i think, 12, we were on this ship getting ready to go through the panama canal, and she had a breakdown on the ship. so she was put in the brig, and i was left to wander the ship until we got to fluorfluora few days later, where we had a distant -- florida a few days later, where we had a distant cousin who came and got us. i think i always knew i was a

writer on some level, but i kind of stopped when i became a cop. i used to write short stories, and i thought someday i'm going to write a book about all these ad ventures that my mother took me on. when i became a cop, i found i turned off parts of my brain. i found i had to learn to conform, which was not anything i'd really been taught but felt very safe to me. i think i was drawn to police work because after coming from such chaos, it seemed like a very organized, but stable environment. and even though things happening, it felt like putting order on chaos and that felt very safe to me. my girlfriend and i were sitting in ve 150d uvio's bar, and i looked out the window and i saw a police car, and there was a woman who looked like me driving the car. for a moment, i thought i was me. and i turned to my friend and i

said, i think i'm supposed to do this. i saw myself driving in this car. as a child, we never thought of police work as a possibility for women because there weren't any until the mid70's, so i had only even begun to notice there were women doing this job. when i saw here, it seemed like this is what i was meant to do. one of my bosses as ben johnson's had been a cop, and he -- i said, i have this weird idea that i should do this. he said, i think you'd be good. the department was forced to hire us, and because of all of the posters, and the big recruitment drive, we were under the impression that they were glad to have us, but in reality, most of the men did not want the women there. so the big challenge was constantly feeling like you had to prove yourself and feeling like if you did not do a good

job, you were letting down your entire gender. finally took an inspector's test and passed that and then went down to the hall of justice and worked different investigations for the rest of my career, which was fun. i just felt sort of buried alive in all of these cases, these unsolved mysteries that there were just so many of them, and some of them, i didn't know if we'd ever be able to solve, so my boss was able to get me out of the unit. he transferred me out, and a couple of weeks later, i found out i had breast cancer. my intuition that the job was killing me. i ended up leaving, and by then, i had 28 years or the years in, i think. the writing thing really became intense when i was going through treatment for cancer because i felt like there were so many parts that my kids didn't know. they didn't know my story, they didn't know why i had a relationship with my mother, why we had no family to speak of. it just poured out of me.

i gave it to a friend who is an editor, and she said i think this would be publishable and i think people would be interested in this. i am so lucky to live here. i am so grateful to my parents who decided to move to the city. i am so grateful they did. that it never know san francisco invest nothing resource sos care for people with substance use crisis on the streets. includes new program and successful pilots. >> what is the location of the emergency. a san francisco 911 dispatcher. jot train that this dispatchers receive for street crisis team and our new program is to triage calls for mental health as a medical call. we don't tree it as a police

matter more a medical matter enthusiasm clint iings, paramedics emt's and councilors are dispatched through 911. we dispatch teams trined identify the crisis. they sends an emt and medic. if you are upon experiencing an emergencior worry body machine's safety on the street call 911 >> nonemergencies use 311. you can learn more about the street complaints and not (indiscernible) that concludes today's overview. thank you for your time. >> what happens after a complaint is submitted? when dpa receives a complaint, the first step is it to assign it to a investigator. if the complainant provides contact information, they receive a letter telling them knoo they assigned investigator will be. if the complaint is

submitted anonymously they will not receive further contact from dp. >> what happens when dpa finds a police miscucktd? >> the dpa find misconduct, meaning sustain a complaint, the next step is to determine how serious the misconduct is and what discipline the dpa will request (indiscernible) the dpa does not itself impose discipline and can only recommend discipline in a sustained case. >> what happens if a complaint turninize to a chief nonnob >> if the dpa decides to recommend 10 days suspension or less, the chief of police is the final determner of both whether misconduct occurred, and if the chief agrees misconduct occurred, what the

disciplineitary penalty will be. in those cases if the chief disagreewise dpa, the case is over and dpa does not have any recourse. if the chief decides that misconduct occurred, and to impose discipline, an officer has a right to a hearing before that decision is final. >> what happens if a dpa complaint turns into a commission level case? >> if the dpa determines a 11 day suspension all the way up to termination is the appropriate outcome for a misconduct case, a trial is held in front of the police commission. normally, one commissioner presides over the trial, then the entire commission will read the transcript and vote. if the commission determines misconduct occurs, then the commission also determines what the penalty will be.

if you are stopped by a police officer you should follow the officer direction, keep calm, keep still, and do not make sudden movements do not reach for anything, especially in your pockets, keep your hands visible at all times. you have the right to remain silent. this means you do not have to say anything. tell the officer i want to remain silnts. you have a right to a attorney. tell the officer i would like a attorney. if you are arrested do not talk about your case or immigration status to anyone other then your attorney. do not sign anything without your attorney. do not lie to law enforcement officers and if you are property are being searched make sure i do not consent to the search. do not challenge the officer, you can file a complaint about police services later, if you are not comfortable speaking english you can ask for a bilingual officer who speaks your language and also ask

for a interprerererererererere good evening. everybody. we'll get started. [inaudible]. good evening i'm manny i come from the navajo tribes tonight i will be the master of ceremonies throughout tonight's recognition. it is an honor for mow to do this land acknowledgment. i think i thank our relatives here in the land of the ramaytush ohlone to do this for you we acknowledge we are on the unseed home land of the