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the system will notify you when you are in line. callers will hear silence. you may watch live sfgov.org. president morgan >> present >> frazer. >> present. >> commissioner nakajo. >> present. >> commissioner feinstein. >> commissioner collins. >> present and chief jeanine nicholson. >> present remotely. >> thank you. and president morgan the read the land acknowledgment. thank you. madam secretary. ramaytush ohlone land acknowledgement the san francisco fire commission acknowledges that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this

land, and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost, nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders, and relatives of the ramaytush ohlone community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. item 2, be injury public comment. members may address up to 3 minuteos a matter went commission's jurisdiction this does not appear on the agenda. speakers shall address remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individuals. commissioners are not to enter in debate or discussion with the

speaker. the last of the common sense by commissioners or personnel does not institute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. there is nobody approaching the podium of nobody on the public comment line. there is in public comment. >> i guess chief. i guess you are on. >> yea. i need to call it. >> okay. >> public comment is closed. >> item stlee approval the minutes discussion and possible action to approve the meeting minutes from the february 28, 2024 meeting. is there questions of minutes?

is there public comment. there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. >> commissioner nakajo, how do you vote. >> yes. >> collins? >> the motion is unanimous. item 4. chief of department's report from chief of department jeanine nicholson on issues, activities and events went department since meeting on february 28, 2024 including budget, special events and communications. report from operations deputy chief darius luttropp on field operations greater alarm fires, investigation, training within the department. and airport division and acknowledgment of firefighters who responded to the a lerm

fireplace at 720 masonic avenue on will december 11th 2023. and report from ems and community paramedicine on the paramedicine divisions by sandra tong. >> good morning. can you hear me all right? president morgan? >> good morning president morgan. vice president fraser. commissioner nakajo, commissioner feinstein, collins and command staff. this is jeanine nicholson san francisco fire chief and had is my report since our last meeting in february. on the 28th. first off i want to say, thank you to the commission to each one of you. i don't think you get enough thanks from me for all the support that you give.

you come to events. you show up, i know important events and you have been really intrumental in helping us weather it was commissioner 79 tien with the emsa several years ago. commissioner collins is joining me at city hall this week to this week, combachl you are joying me to talk about our infrastructure with the city add administrator. just, you know, all sorts of things you show up for. thank you for all your support. i want to let you know you are appreciated by me and by the command staff. first off, on thursday the 29th we had a toast tendser demonstration out at twin peeks reservoir. thank you, commissioner nakajo

for joining us. and we had member phil ping there president of supervisor's supervisor peskin was there. supervisor engardio was there and his office put out a video on social media about it. and supervisor chan's office was present and present and -- it just showed a real incredible capability the host tenders have to deliver massive quality of water for when we need it. thank you, for that. and for all of chief mullin's people that put that on. as well as members from the field. on friday march first we had h3 level 2 paramedic gaugz we brought 5 new paramedics in the field and a group of new

employees. everybody helped there at ems. >> we had the irish flag raising ceremony last week. a big to do at city hall. and we also had the state of the city the mayor gave her state of the city address. and president morgan and commissioner fraser joined myself and the command staff. it was an inspirational state of the city begin by the mayor. and really, really great energy in the room. um much my time occupied by meet and greets. meeting new, meeting, candidates. who can possible low be in the next h2 firefighter academy. i am meeting up warriorsed of 130 people with my command staff. and i think it is just really

important that we choose wisely for the next class. most will be here for the next 25 years. super important. later this afternoon, there will be a photo with the mayor for women's history month. happy women's history month >> and international women's day was last week. that photo will be in city hall with the mayor later today. and last, but not least, possible low the most important. turned 50 on friday. wish him a happy birthday and welcome not 50th. and that is all i have a meeting with mayor and department heads over here at the ballpark, actually at 9:30. so, thank you very much. >> thank you.

chief nicholson for your report. >> madam secretary is there public comment? nobody approaching and nobody on the public comment line. >> fellow commissioners, i think we lost the chief she had to go. >> i'm still here. commissioners are there questions for the chief before she is still be available. >> personalliment to say, thank you, chief. and thank you to chief luttropp for giving us ride to the state of the union. it was a great event. we are just glad to be able to support the mayor and it was really very convenient to get a ride over there.

[laughter], with the chief. and so -- i just want to say thank you for that. i will let you go i know you are busy with the mayor and everything. >> thank you very much, mr. president. mr. president. president morgan. can i have a moment more of public comment while the chief is on the line we have 2 in the audience that have a question. and time from the commission. if i can introduce harold dunn and natalie dunn. good morning on december 11th we were save in the a catastrophic house fire and i can't say thank

you enough to everyone who helped us and touched us and carried me out and saved me and my husband. so deeply thankful and can't express enough gratitude and love to everyone who does this very hard job. >> thank you so much for coming. can you repeat your names again one more time? >> in thely dunn and harold dunn. >> thank you very much. >> they asked for the opportunity meet the members we are lucky chief yee was there that day can i ask him to come we have cameron and bob and firefighter cassada and cough, waterman special whoel else was there?

[inaudible]. i can thank the dunns for coming and showing support most of the members are off duty and came in to show appreciation back to the members of the community. and thank you for coming. i -- also i can't let it go by

this . is a lucky accident the firefighters here and the chief, if you go back to the 300 octavia report the same of rescues under incrediblely adverse conscience. this is a group of people who work together and understand each other and dedicated to their mission and take the mission of protecting the lives of the consistents and residents of san francisco to heart and take it seriously and put themselves in jeopardy and train and always ready to act i want to thank the members, also. [applause] any comments? >> can i say something? thank you for coming to see us

and share your story. >> mr. president? yes, go ahead. before the members leave, chief, yee, i didn't hear their names if that could be verbalized. can they come up one at a time. they can come up, announce yourself. >> colleagues i like to hear their names and be able to address them all. >> can you members come up here, i really want to thank the resident hos came this morning and for your statements as well. it is important. again. if you could again, chief. announce the member's names and we can recognize them. please? chief. >> they are behind meechlt

firefighters scott dun an. firefighter jeff casadasm firefighter alec cough. firefighter kevin waterman and captain shawn ma lainie from the rescue squad >> thank you very much on behalf of the commission and commissioners as well and thank you for coming as well. thank you. thank you. thank you, mr. president. thank you for your brave work and thank you for coming. an honor to serve you guys. okay. madam secretary. at this point we will look for more public comment.

i guess the next chief luttropp are you ready. >> i'm ready. >> good morning morgan. vice president fraser. commissioner's nakajo, collins. maureenful city attorney, command staff i'm darius luttropp deputy chief operation and this is my report for february. slide 4 suppression statistics for february, there were no greater alarm fires. in fact it was a quiet month. i come for you and say month over month it is may maintained the status quo. there were few fire in february. in the set of statistic there is is a fire that could have been pulled out and leveled a second alarm and told a wonderful story about an explosion in a shed

that lit 3 buildingos fire this is the w they do but operations division is fantastic they feign tained the fire on treasure island to single alarm and same last night with chief yee i thought it would go to second alarm tell not be one i will report next month temperature came close. the work in bad conditions is fantastic. but with that in minds, i did pull another single day from february statistics on the next slide. so, it is going to be a difficult budget cycle. it is a time when the fire department will find itself under pressure to show its work. difficult when we have to wish harm on the citizenry and say, you know, it is not a good thing there were not fires i will

claim it is a good thing there were no great alarm fire in san francisco thanks to the work of the fire marshall and work of operation's people. so let's pull this day. 2-4-24 was a storm day. from this slide you see that on that day. we ran 733 calls for service as the firefighter in the city of san francisco. which is -- over our baseline, nonstorm related calls 373 is a normal day and added 360 calls to this. the fire department serves as the department of left resort for all. not just from the emergency medical point of view and some suffering from a medical crisis not just from a fire suppression when there is a fire this needs to put out that does not extend to other parts of the city. when our per nirs at public works and the department of

emergency management and with any other city agency find themselves against the wall and need help as in the case of this storm day, with wires and trees down, flooding, extra vehicular accidents in the street. where they find resource stretched. we find them stretches the fire department answer the call. doubled our volume in a day it was difficult day for membership that is the resourcing that is required and will continue to be required for the eventual bad day. the earthquake. for the fire that nobody saw coming. spreading throughout richmond district. i just wanted highlight this day to you. and remind everyone that it is not only the second alarm fires that show the worth of the agency or work of defining the

division that show worth we are here every day doing this work. next slide. so, the other thing is something the chief covered. which was the demonstration of a new piece of operation's equipment this . is a tough direction i can steel thunder of administration and bureau and support service because they built it and acquired it. i will track about the operation's piece. on 2-29-24 on a splashy day. the dueiest of mornings we were out and kaenlsed it twice for wind and rain and went on with the demonstration and some of the stall works were there commissioner nakajo was there. president supervisor peskin was there. and member ting was there. supervisor engardio was there. many showed and put on a great show. so the capabilities that the new host tender brings it is replacing what you see below it.

the old style hose tendser was the hose cart with 6,000 feet of hose and appliances necessary to do above ground portable water supply system. an augment to the emergency firefighter watering system or high pressure hide rasystem. now they got a new and improved. >> we have gone from the moss of hose cart to a quite substantial pumper and the ability to move water. the hoses coming off of the hose tendser this dem strigz, there are 8 inch suction hoses. ability to draw in the range of 8,000 gallons a minute using that. can push about 5,000 gallons a minute. the yellow box next to it, that is a portable submersible pump that will pump 3,000 gallons by

itself. >> once this is put in operation, you can see -- that the stroll it is able to deploy from the device. it can put out a tremendous amount of fire use immediate a single warehouse fire in that mode as long as it had a water supply. if you look at the large hose next to it in the ground. it becomes a supply for this large above ground system. for the demonstration we were able to employ the monitor nozzle on the hose tender and able to put in to operation above grounds system and flow 3 devices from two engines and one ladder pipe and demonstrated its worth. this system allows us from a water source to have a radius of

over a mile from that spot this we can supply effectively. the advantage of this, is this is a mobile resource can be used in the city. talk about quartered initial low versus pipes in the street, which is risen so dramatically in cost we addressed with chief mill and merge response, they gone from 15 million dollars a mile of pipe to 43 million dollars a mile of pipe essential in a year period of time that is going to be a tremendous stricken on resource. if we can augment or replace with a more flexible system, the fire department is always about flexibility. hose tend are one is in service at station 18.

third had delivered will go in service in bayview at station 17. gives good coverage of the areas of the city not served by the high pressure hide rasystem. and if any are need they deploy to the same location and the value of all 3 in the same place. that was another thing we did this month. >> back to my basic report. i will go to bureau of fire prevention and investigation. our busiest bureaus and divisions. on page 11, the fire marshall was nice enough to put the

sunshine record in for the last year. the fire marshall and i had an interesting experience left week in february. i will call it february. called before the sunshine ordinance task force. we were only there for 4 hours. ken? 4 hours? something like that. anyway, gave us insight into the reporting requirements and how -- city agencies interact with the body they had 838 public information requests last year. it is a burden on the agency. city attorney gave us a lot of great guidance. i don't see this problem diminishing. i see it accelerating over time there are more requests for interactions with mt a and companies and baseline interactions with medical and fire reports employmented

highlight that this mont. on page 14. pulling out of the community out reach. there was an item i wanted highlight, which is a public education banned for lithium ion batteries. this is part of the ordinance that fire marshall prepared. beyond just prescribe being new rules for storage. charging, what types of batteries can be approved and inside in the city. it is a public educational campaign to make sure everybody is aware of it. this is being rolled out as we speak. on page 16 and 17, the fire marshall add a new project to the report. and this is dot map of outside fire reports includes just the month reporting on february 2024 and has last year. it is in the a surprising pap.

you see the concentration of the outside fires. coding for the fires has been in flux between encampment fire, outside fire, trash, we are working on the reporting system. attach is be updated. we are try to get our numbers to make more sense so we have better reporting to the board of supervisors the fire marshall and i have been in meetings with the board to discuss this issue. there is talk changing portions of the fire code, which would be helpful. but it is understandable that all of the supervisors are looking for insight into president fire the outside fire in their district. this map will be a product that will be deployed at the meetings also and i give it to you. if you finds yourself in conversation with anybody like that. there are a significant number.

when takeing job in july, i was surprised by the amount of time that was going to be dedicated to autonomous vehicles i thought tuesday be mt a work now it is back to mt a work. go through page 20 and 21 the current rep with mt a, which we are trying to -- have more meetings and collaboration with the major's office and trying to find more points of agreement. but we are out of alignment on a number of projects they are in the report i will not read them. we continue on press for the fire department's needs to be able to respond to any part of the city quickly, effectively. and -- the relationship continues to unfold. one of them being no turn on read the other bike lanes approximately to fire department

headquarters. of course. chief baker is in the audience, we had a number of become and forth this week about the bollard situation on cap street and remedies and when we'll dom fire marshall office works diligently to address the operations. as we walked in the meeting chief dares he to excuse himself for first amendment activity at the airport. i will go light on his. report on page 24, i highlight third degree in the past. his training efforts have been tremendous. he has reinstituted. the battalion drills with 9 and 10 and the airport, which is fantastic. the red cap drill, worked with the department of emergency communications to highlight the response patterns for the

companies. everybody knows the response at the airport. i look forward to great things. if you go mid page 24, there is a line that struck me confined space at the fuel farm. i got excited. and luckily in sfo issue number 14 [inaudible] look at the news letter, which is fine as always. the deploy am article is interesting. it highlights the chief's efforts to find things that have fallen dormant and bring them back to light and get the emergency operation there is in alignment with the airport and the needs of the city of san francisco. division of training can very busy as usual. they just graduated and h3

class. h3 level 2 class. very excited join the field. there are interviews i will let you look at this . 103 members in the field, it is substantial. and they managed to also be conducting the 133rd cabinet the same time of i will not go through the numbers from this report. we will lose more people from this class than we lost in recent classes. we are trying to address it with them. i visited the class unusual move to try to gauge where we were. i think they will right the ship we already lost a substantial number out of this class. more to follow on that. >> finally, the nert report went

in before we in a chance to speak on it. the currently, all the the members of the nert staff are away from their desks for medical issues. so we are trying to remedy this and bring them back to their desk and figure out a way to staff the nert position. they are valuable to us and we appreciate the work that everyone has done so far. but upon upon am more to fol that. that is rye report for february. thank you for your defined report and at this time is there public comment? madam secretary. >> there is nobody approaching and nobody on the comment line. fellow commissioners, any questions for chief. commissioner feinstein?

[inaudible]. thank you for sharing the good and the bad. from there is -- a lot of really fine work done and very good news i'm sorry to hear about the academy class. i know that is a big loss for the department and i'm sure for the chief of training, too and the cohorts. as you call them. i wanted take this opportunity to ask you two questions that i probably should have known the answer to, two years ago. i will take advantage of it in light of your sheet that is the suppression statistics on the february 4 storms the quell be

easy for you to answer but heard for me to figure out but -- if you notice, i think everybody notices weather predictions are just always wrong. they are always wrong. every day they are wrong. and it was poseed pour yesterday. and was certainly nice -- i was throughout the city and the weather was quite nice. how -- how do you know that you are going to have to deploy who the number of people you will have to deploy -- because of storm come up? may be a storm that is in the predicted? how is that figured out

>> you are asking two questions. i am. >> first for this day for the day in question, there were no additional resources on this day. >> wow. this is utilizing a model that is basically for half a decade or a century, existed. same staffing and physical locations and companies. same response patterns. except for the mscp side. chief baker is in the room he is chief darcy are included in california emergency service calls regarding weather. and prepositioning. chief baker was very intent on following the weather. and seeing because -- left year we did ewize oes resource effectively. they gave us permission to stand up with the strike team. i talked about mutual aid.

we had a mutual aid resource made up of our members with oes equipment. prepositioned in the city to augment our runs. that was successful. for 24 it highlights what you say. it was not predicted to be our worse day of weather of the year. and you seen other days go by where it was supposed to be the worse day of weather and it not pan out weather is tough. >> did you have to call people in. people who were off in firefighters. >> no. >> no. >> impressive. i money the number -- of incidents is staggering to me. >> if you look at the final line on this page, it shows that in an hour and a half period there were 123 calls for service.

there is not time to call people at home and bring them in. >> right >> staff up we prestaff but obviously well is a limit to that budgetaryly we have to have the capacity in our normal response capability to weather this. not all these were answered prompt low. i guarantee. there were units to follow for many of these but they were all answered eventually. i commend everybody this workd that day and -- was able to handle this. and my second question again, i should know the answer to, but when you come upon a scene of downed live wires, what do you do? >> we warn everybody in the

area. contact pg and e and they have a response partnership with us and if it is the reason we are there is we can identify that as downed power lined and take the guess work out for some of them. you know if a person calls in a downed wire and it is an old phone line not in service or a cable wire which they often are our membership is trained to identify that. spare the pg and e resource. know often we get substantial amounts of wires down in the street brought down by a pole or tree and our job is to make the area safe and stand by for pg and e we will not address the electric problem. you answered a good part of my question i did not know that

firefighters were trained in identifying wires that you know might be old cable wires, phone wires and somehow nothing that is out of use every seems to get taken down. it just gets added to. there are certain countries that we'll look like one day with so many wires all over the place. i really gotta commend the folks out dealing with that. because i'm sure it can be dangerous. >> need to use a lot of caution issue yes. >> these numbers are staggering and really i must commend those who were working that day. on their good fortune and being able to respond to all these

incidents. but, doing such a fine job. i know that you did. so i thank everybody. that's my question. thank you. president. thank you, chief luttropp. interesting and important information you shared. i have a couple questions for you. my sister commissioner here 300 calls above normal on this day is impressive. it is still blinking at the sheer volume. congratulations and for keeping all of san francisco safe. so, you did say all other agencies call san francisco fire when well is accidents and floods and wires down. i think that is important to emphasize that all other

agencies call san fan fire. that is a lot of people to be depending on you and agencies. so i commend you for that. i loved the picture from thes hose tendser. i loved the one it is going off toward the big tower that could be a postcard t is beautiful. about the water supply. and then a mobile source of water. it is terrific. the other thing is you mentioned at the beginning the budget and later told us that it is better than pipe at 43 million a mile. under line, yes, outrageous increase in cost we are all facing in the coming budget for the fire department as well as other city departments. so. if there is anything i know we can do to help with this, i know everyone on this commissionments to support those efforts.

and making sure we have the budget to sustained everrespond to every city department what calls us for help. >> my other question is, related to the lithium bat row safety flyer, this is something i'm interested in and i know you said there will be a public safety effort? or educational effort? perhaps? i don't know if this is our job or somebody else's job. it is all of our job. i have been telling my neighbor this is who have stuff stuff in the their garages with lithium ion battery vehicles, bikes what have you. i like to hear more if we know what and when the public safety effort is going to be for lithium ion batteries. >> good morning president morgan.

vice president frazer. commissioner's feinstein and collins and nakajo. that campaign i worked on with the legislation. it became effective march 7. we got ahead television. we have done our community out reach and education team. has been on it. they did work with the city's video team. and have a psa. with our pio speaking on 2 minutes long. and we have a web page on this on our website that out lines the legislation. has a link or the video on that. it is part of our community out reach and education. the fire safety and home series is part of that. our po roached out and put out a news release this week. it went over limp got phone calls from all over california and back east. inquiring the campaign started. we met our part of the agreement

we evercontinuing education as we go out. we do fire safety in home we go to apartment buildings and try to get moment amount of people to do a presentation. community groups on all of that out there. so -- that's the campaign we worked with department of environment they were part of it. when do you do with used batteries. that is the final thing that says to call the number that gives a number for ricology you can dispose of those. >> that's great. it is never too soon to address this i know it has been causing problems. appreciate that are and glad to see it. it is a concern. thank you, chief. >> i thank you is all my questions i have i want to thank you for a great report. >> commissioner nakajo. >> thank you very much president

morgan. thank you very much chief luttropp for your report. >> a couple of comments and a question. i think that this commission will be interested in results of your discussion with division of training in terms of the academy classes. we would be interested i would be interested as to when is the result of that are whatever measures that you feel will occur to counter that. i wanted to say that as well with the fellow commissioners. i also perked up when you said something about chief baker, mt a cap street. is there something more about that? chief?

so the status quo with the bollards was considered a pilot program and temporary. they are soliciting comment from us, fire and residents mt a, public works. to for an extension of the program and whether we think the program is successful. can you talk about the temporary barrier >> yes at one end of castro intersections between 16th and 21st street. >> we are trying to resolve that with mt a in terms of when you said if it work system this had you said. >> fire department's position is that it does not. they are not maintained they are collapsed had they are collapsed they get ad hoc or temporary planters or another obstruction placed in front and there is significant parking that occurs with this bollard protection.

it presents the hazzard that all the chiefs said it would present. it was not hard to predict. we are trying to come up with an alternative with mt a. >> okay. one more detail. once it collapsed it stays collapsed until somebody manualy lift its up. >> yes, has a nan needs to be replaced they did not issue them to the companies as we asked. so we are in the maintaining them. the mt a and public works dot removal of objects or maintenance of the bollards. >> okay. >> hate to do this one more time when we are engines approach the barriers they are supposed to collapse and engines can go through or do we need to get out and pull a pin >> this is secret information but no they are designd that if the engines strikes them they will collapse out of the way. >> keep us on detail with that.

again this issue came up as the neighborhood looked for resolve. does not sound like this is much but we are wing on it, appreciate that. the other thing that caught my ear did you say we are and i continue is part of the your report. in terms of how much time we am deploy am prevention deals with compliance and sunshine requests in >> he has it detailed by number of requests i don't have that broken by hours. >> okay. i think that again that pickd that up within our reports i know that well is a certain amount of requests med by the public or whoever. and may be this is obvious that falls in our jurisdiction of supplying that information, chief? >> yea. city attorney here can tell you. as a city department, it is our

responsibility for requests of public requests for information we provide it. we have 3 civilian employees working full time and overwhelmed. okay. i will be curious as to the numbers. because i think that is a heck of a lot of work. to me. commissioner nakajo. in the sense that i know that the public has the right to request forms and requests sunshine ordinance, et cetera . but when it come down to who does the work that is where my concern is. i want to mention that. and i will knock this off here. the other thing i locked at as i department top acknowledge the news letter if the airport. chief dorsey is informative. and i think that is good and positive. and that when well is a news letter this says, welcome new members that is pretty good.

this makes somebody feel invited. fringely and i continuing is good for the rest of us. the last of question . page 16, 17 i know we got something called the dot chart. i knew what 16 looked like in the sense of january 2024 outside fires and 17, february 23 and 24 this is more accumulation looks like from the previous year on top. what is the definition of outside fires. >> that is -- inside of the fire reporting furthermore. there are a number of ways to report the fires. it can be we aggregate them as the dispatch will small outside fire. but when they are reported out some of them are just rubbish

and small grass sdpiers somewhere encampment fires. >> like tents and garbage cans. >> yea. >> car fires are general low dispatched as a car fire a lot of the outside fires do end up. >> chief. february 20 torpage 16 the dots mean this is occur in the february of 24, page 17 does in the have this diagram but a lot of dots out there february 23-24. does this mean for us in the department to indicate the occurrence of severe areas in san francisco this repeated low have fires? >> that is a good way to read it. our conversations with supervisors in their districts the fire department's answer to a fire is getting called and

going and putting it out. that is our guidance. call 9 scompleven they are reporting them and we go and do what the fire department does. chief is here i believe we look at a 6 fold increase in small outside fires in the last decade. what was that again, chief? we got what. i'm sorry -- our adjustment is -- so, chief luttropp over 5 years since covid started we had more people on the street and significant increase of fires outside fires. people call nothing and reports that's the numbers they represent a call for an outside that was not a vehiclor structure fire. did not have another cause. >> so chief page 17 a year accumulation. >> i will continue on the report and the last 12 months will be

march the previous 12 months together hope to see a downward trend you will see the last month and then the cumulative of the last 12. >> for better description in terms of observation the dots diagram there are areas in downtown san francisco or whatever the area is, thank you for the map. so dotted there is solid colors. again for mow it is like what neighborhood is that. and what does this say? thank you very much for this clarification, chief. thank you fire marshall and mr. president. >> chief luttropp. one question, i don't know i remember last month, with all the you spoke of no greater alarm fires. in february. raining cats and dogs felt like

only getting from it. the storms -- i guess had created other stuff with related with pg and e and power outages. how much of that can you go in detail how much of that was might have been a burden on the fire houses around the city or any affected by that. our chief is here he would have had reports it was intermittent. >> yea. pg and e trucks all around the city that one day. in the storm. and were they a burden on you as well? >> no we work cooperateively with pg and e and need each other to resoft incidents we respond to. it it is a resource and question. if there is a large storm in the

state california north/south they have to decide where they will deploy and we may have just their regular staffing on the busiest day with the expectation that nappal be worse or they have to make the same decisions for prestaffing and aid in their resource. i will say that february i don't want to speak for any other agency but was a rablely slow month for a lot of city averages we'll take that win was not just the fire department. >> i know they had a lot of power outages. i guess none affected you that is good to know. >> that's all i very much thank you for your report. chief luttropp and i guess -- we have one more question. commissioner collins. i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> chief luttropp i have general question and a specific

question. in the report. in general, do we track, we own a lot of real estate. the fire department owns a lot of real estate. do we track damage to that real estate from the big storms? and do get a sense of that, where is the best place to go? in the report? so that would be in the department administration's report in support service. chief mullin would have that and i do a survey after every large storm for you very large storms last year this time for costs recoverying and offering cost recovery. it was minimal but we do track all the damages >> in aggregate, are we able to make the statement that fire department real estate has had this amount of damage from

storms in any given year? i'm not asking for that answer now. fiwere to follow and up get that answer, >> the answerure requesting me is yes or no. the answer is yes >> and to quantify we get that. >> yes. >> trying to get smart go our infrastructure. and then on page 9, there is the fire alarm sleeping area up great project. i want to make sure i understand what that is. i have the best man here. but this does go to i will let him speak. it was legislation from 2016 from supervisor campos after the mission of burning. and people stayd and could not hear fire alarms.

building -- r2 buildings and apartments begin 5 years to upgrade the alarms some older buildings were grandfather in the and does not have sounds in the sleeping rooms 5 years you have to upgrade. everybody sleeping rooms in the units could heart alarm. it was begin 2 years that fell in the covid years of 2021. owners said this people would not allow the contractors to get in they were given until 23. unfortunately when you give it that long what happened 10% of the building owners did the up great. and so we are going through a phase now of documenting who has and who has not and said violations and now degree it in waves sent 1500 violations to people who have not notifieds. you need to ghet done. let us know if you have or have

in the this . is an on going program that i don't know when will end but following up with owners to ensure. it was increasing the level and if you did replace your alarm it had to have a certain sound that came up with the newer code. the low frequency. it is to put sounders in every sloping your so everybody hearsay the alarms. >> that is different from the high rise inspection and other inspections or a subset? that is a separate program. i have a couple people working on that part of it. >> okay. >> fire alarm upgrade the sprinkler upgrade for the residential high rises. each the new in addition creates a new pocket of fire prevention. >> okay. thank you.

>> thank you. chief and chief luttropp for your report we can move on to chief tong's report. >> ready? >> good morning president morgan, commissioners. command staff. city attorney. good morning sandy tong of community paramedicine my report for february. vehicle from ems and division. 5 members of the department successful low complete academy. these are emt's that are transitioning to pair medicine.

a 3 week academy 3 are emt's from the division and 2 were firefighters from suppression. we have not had firefighters crossover to paramedic for a time but now had two additional firefighters that are now firefighter/paramedics. the suppression members will work on the ambulance for another 500 hours that day can get the experience on woth rig. being the patient care priority. so, we have them starting the 500 hours and probably in a few months they will get a spot on an engine as a firefighter/paramedic. during february, we received chairs stair chairs that will significantly help our members in terms of moving patients up and down stairs. one of the primary causes of injuries back is the stair chairs carrying people of you

know through stair case. you know heavy folks. t is just have been an upon challenge to maneuver these stair chairs we have which are manual and trying to help move them down the stairs. there is a track that follows the step and can be operated with two bheem can just maneuver the chair without having somebody to carry it. and bring a person down the stairs. we are had been to have been able to invest in the device. tell improve our health of our members. >> so looking at the last few month in terms of dataasm everything has the same the call volume is the same at 366 calls. or dns balance did decrease a

bit by 3 minutes per average that core sponlds directly to the a pot decrease in times at the hospital. with that improved a pot times which is the balance off load times. that has translated on the amount of time decrease in the time our crews are on rigs and on a patient. that has been a notable decrease. >> moving on to community paramedicine. on february 20, you see chief of operations april sloan was interviewed to discuss how the city works with unhoused individuals. spoke about community paramedicine and the work that they do. on february 28, section chief sloan and mason attended the

bridge kickoff session. we talked before the civic brich bridge with private companies the city agencies are partnered with a private entity. and are working on issues. so the community pair medicine submitted an application which was approved and we are now working with adobe. this is to determine how to engage with our members use our members to engage with individuals what the best way to have the greatest impact with the callers that are frequent and how to better address equity with of dealing with the clients. we'll looking forward to working with adobe folks. we are partnering with zf associates. a project will be including with street over doze team and our

dph to match the journey of someone substance use disand ared how they engage with service. look how we can better track and how somebody guess through the process of engaging with the city services through our street over dose response team and dph engage am team. we work with both organizations for 16 weeks and hopeful low by the weendz will provide a report to show the findings we found. >> on february 27th, chief tang and sloan and neighs mason participated in a workshop by mayor's office of innovation to develop carries for the city multiagency street response system cross data sharing and teach [inaudible] around system goals and metrics. on february 13, 14 and 15, there

was an open house by the san francisco serving center. where our ambulances can transport somebody who is in the needs detox for alcohol. and alternative to a hospital destination. they wanted to host the open house and familiarize our members of the use of the serving center and they are still there and relocated during covid and relocated back to the old facility on mission. so this is a good opportunity for our people to be remind it is there. here we see the data from ems and the street crisis teams. one thing we increased 1-50's during february by 83% 42 compared to 23 in the month of

january. this may be we think, in part due to the sb43 legislation. which then expanded the definition of gravely disabled to include those who are gravely disabled due to substance use. we will look at that data and see if we can determine if that has had an impact on the increase. >> also, happy to report that our ambulance paramedics from january 5 to 11 in the month of february. >> thank you, to president morgan, vice president fraser and commissioner nakajo for attending the lunar new year parade with all of us. this event other thanning as you may know is the top 10 in the world. as defined by festivals of event's association and the largest celebration of lunar new

year outside of asia. as we do in many of the parades we have em circumstance coverage with the lunar new year we had ambulances. rescue captains and our medical -- medical director? another fellow physician that attended to work on the mct a transit bus. this furnl is last run. we have been told that begin its age and the cost of repair or even the inavailability of finding replacement parts; our bus are going to no longer be operable they are retired. we are going to be push gean find funds to replace those bus. they are a significant resource not only in being as a first aid station and stand by unit but also in the case of disaster of

which they are able to deal 20 plus individuals. so -- we are going to miss those bus and hopefully with advocacy this will be manage we ask from the commission to see how we can better support the funding of this valuable resource. >> and finally as i promised we say goodbye to doctor brown, the emsa medical director after 28 years. he is going to retiefrment our ems command staff presented him with a gift and the gift we presented was the helmet. as well as a shield that will be designed and presented to him again. but doctor brown was the only medical director we have known. he has been in the ems agency for 28 years and heel be missed we wish him a long and healthy

retirement. that's my report. >> thank you. is there public comment? nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. this evening fellow commissioners? any questions for chief tong. commissioner collins? >> how many buses? >> two. >> two. >> uh-huh. you need two bus. take more but two is great. >> thank you. >> [inaudible]. >> i than this has been a

problem in the past when the sobering center was on mission street. which was this people would be i will use the word admitted for lack of a better word and turn around and walk right out. >> they can. >> do we have any idea how often that happens? because then they will turn to another ambulance call in an hour when they get their next baptist wild irish rose? >> something. >> yes. >> i do believe that than i do have a pretty good retention to once we bring somebody in intoxicated they ever begin a bed and attention and they are taken care of. i think people do take advantage of that and not necessarily in the right state to kind of as we drop them off jump up and leave.

i think this many of them do stay sober and up than i can go. and they can go out and. >> what is the maximum time they can stay? >> not sure. >> under. 24 hours. >> 24 hours the average stay is -- >> okay. thank you. average stay is 6 hours. >> okay. >> thank you. and as always. good report and i would be remiss not to comment on the glossary. >> we have to update it. >> it is a compliment. so -- you know how much i appreciate that when i try to read through all the medical lingo. thank you >> let us know if manage this is not defined you want us to add >> circle it in red to let you know. thank you. >> commissioner fraser?

>> thank you, chief tong, interesting report. and yes the parade was a gas and it was 70 degrees outside it was perfect. on the first on the page twoi ms division we are using nar can. looks like 3 quarters of our calls on this page if eye read this correctly in narcan use of the total. each month. >> so the narcan use is the number of in a month and the daily run system daily. >> in a month. >> we are using a lot. >> yes. >> however we want to slice it. i also.ed compliment on page 3 the notable response that two people who were basically dead.

were discharged in tact that is an amazing thing. i want to highlight that and congratulate our staff on this. your staff on that. those two. also yea, noise to see publicity for chief sloan. well deserved. i guess that the other thing that really stood out to me was the -- the duplications on some of our people. for example, on page 11 successes and challenges the 42 year old family with 67ems contacts. and 42 in the following month. in spice of places to take people for follow up care, which is not the job of the san francisco fire department, although i know alegality of that is done to the best your

ability. people care and want to make a difference. but i think that is really an important number for our commission. and the city to understand how many contacts one person can create in our ems services. i'm not trying to shame or blame. him or her or they, but to notice that is the a lot of volume of calls for one person. where saturday place? the solution? i know we are looking for it. so whenever we can do. we all see it every day around our city all the time and you did final low you said the a pot

is better? >> yes. >> it was. >> i think call volume went down for the hospitals but it did improve. at times. if there is anything we can do i will about that or appearances or letters or meetings or testimony, more than happy to assist. i know that has been a problem for our department. >> and our city. >> yes. >> great report. >> thank you. >> commissioner nakajo. >> thank you very much chief for your report. page 41 and announcement of our 54 stair chairs. that's great. that's just -- i mean in terms of observation and ride longs and watching new members try to

carry parents down various sizes and situations and stair case crook ed, elevators. thank you for this innovation and i would be curious how well this does work. seems like a great answer tooir needs. i want to thank you forarc knowledging and showing the appreciation to doctor brownful as long as i have been on this commission only known one doctor in term it is of our emergency. ems6 and the concept of the development. and doctor brown has always been there. i appreciate and admire his service. thank you for doing that and thank you for acknowledging and letting us know -- the

activities of april. thank you very much thank you. mr. president. >> thank you commissioner nakajo. thank you for your great report chief tong. congratulations on the new stair chairs. [laughter]. i want to ask how much they cost. but -- that will go in every ambulance >> yea. >> save a lot of back. >> yea >> a lot of back injuries. we hope so,

>> that is a good thing. the other thing i tried to plate video of the april sloan's video but would not play. i will try it again. and i want to see her interview with the community of paramedics. abc news. it would not i went on you tube and played the wrong one. thank you for your report. item 5. fire commission rules of order discussion and possible action. to adopt proposed revisions to the commission rules of order reflect the current day and time for regular meeting with the charter section 4.10a1 the commission posted a public

notice 2024 addressing the change and day and time 10 day in advance. this item was put on just to update. there was section 3 rule 5 was the only change to reflect the current meeting schedule. the old schedule if 2013, i believe. and still had our meetings held on thursdays. >> we just wanted update. the proper date and time. you answered my question. at this point is there public comment? >> well is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the comment line. all right. fellow commissioners. is there a motion to adopt the proposed revisions to the fire

commission rules order the day and times of the regular commission meetings. >> so moved. >> yes. >> i vote, yes. >> commissioner nakajo. >> yate. yes >> commissioner feinstein? >> yes. jot motion is unanimous >> item 6 resolution 2024-01 discussion and possible action. resolution recommending that the upon fire department expect in kinds gift consulting services for the community paramedicine commission 149, 7 sfikt from adobe ink in the kefktz civic bridge program. finance and planning here to speak on to request approval of an in kinds donation of service consulting services if adobe.

valued 149, 760 in connection with the city's civic bridge program. chief tong mentioned that a bit but with civic bridge is a program throughout mayor's office that tries to connect city government and other sectors, universities and private companies to collaborateerate and try to find solutions or resolve problems or responded to challenges and find ways and solutions as a collaborative process and that's what this case is, too. private companies donate time and consulting services to the city. and w with the departments can provide deliverables and w assignments dependsoth project approved. that happen immediate this case. the department partnering with adobe. on an analysis with the ems6 program. both for measuring the over all -- finding determining a

better way to measure the over all positive benefits of the program. monitor and determine what areas for improve. and figure out a way to meet state reporting requirements. this is an in kind donation of consulting services from adobe 149, 760 dollars. this project is anticipateed run through end of june and obviously there will be an update to the commission on the results of that project. happy to answer questions. >> fellow commissioners you go ahead >> with the city bridge project, how does any department become a part of the potential bridge opportunity? this is a work with the mayor's office of innovation. there san application process. there is an out reach process on their part working with

departments if there is a project or a need identified we work with the mayor's office of innovation on submitting an application that out lines the goals and program terse of the project requested and there is a vetting process through the mayor's office working with parties that may have interests in this area. it can be research through universities. just general volunteer work that people have interests in. or can be with private sump there is is preestablished relationships throughout mayor's office that are then matched up appropriate low to department's request. >> this helps me understand the needs and how they are selected. houck the out reach to private companies and universities? the mayor's office that takes care of that? >> correct. >> if we knew of such, we would send them to the mayor's office to say, here is a company that got this expertise willing to

participate. is that how that work sns >> general low, yes, we work with the program and we do a lot of work with other research upon entities, universities and things like that that through the topic of the work we find keksz or connected through other individuals. some of that is the department level. >> does not have to the agreements are formalized and that it is run throughout mayor's office in a capacity and the deputy city attorney for any data sharing anything like that. there are formalized relationships. but does in the have to run through the civic bridge program. >> thank you. commissioner fraser. or feinstein, i'm sorry. commissioner fraser do you have questions? >> [inaudible].

yes , sir. >> [inaudible]. you like to move that we accept the in kind gift. i second this. >> can we take public comment. >> we can do that, too. >> there is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public comment line. >> great. all right there was a motion on the floor. to accept in kinds gift of consulting services. from adobe. in connection with the city civic bridge program. so -- vice president fraser? >> yes. >> commissioner feinstein. >> yes >> and commissioner collins? >> yes. jot motion is unanimous. >> thank you. >> item 7. adjournment. >> all right.

adjourn the meeting. my favorite part.

>> the meeting will come to order. welcome march 15, 2024 regular meeting of the local agency formation commission. i'm chair chan joined by vice chair fielder and commissioners preston, williams and singh. our clerk is alyssa somera i like to thank the staff at sfgovtv for broadcasting the meeting. do you have any announcements? >> yes, lafco is convening hybrid meetings. public comment will be taken on each item on the agenda.

those attending in person will be allowed to speak first and then take those waiting on the telephone line. if you wish to provide comment remotely the call in information is scrolling across the screen. you will hear meeting discussion and muted in listening mode only. when your item comes up and public comment is called, those in person should line up to speak and on the phone dial * 3. if you are on the telephone please turn down your tv and listening devices. you may submit public comment in writing in either of the following ways:e-mail to myself, alisa.somera @sfgov dot gov.if you submit writern public comment it will be forwarded to the commissioners

and included as part of the official file. >> thank you. please call the roll. >> chan, present. fielder, present. preston, present. singh, present. williams, present. madam chair, you have a quorum. >> thank you. with that, madam clerk, please call item 2. >> item 2 is approval of the lafco minutes from january 19, 2024 regular meeting. >> i don't see any name on the roster at this moment, so it is great if we can go to public comment on this item. >> if we have individuals in person who would like to comment please line up to speak. seeing no one in person, we'll go to the public comment line. do we have anyone in the queue to speak? we have jaime who is staffing and checking and no no callers. >> public comment is closed.

is there a motion to approve the minutes? >> so moved. >> second. let's call roll on the motion. >> item 2, fielder, aye. preston, aye. williams, aye. chan, aye. four ayes. >> thank you the motion passes. please call item 3. >> item 3 is clean powersf update including clean powersf activities and lafco update on battery storage and green finance studies. >> thank you, we'll hear from deputy assistant general matter director michael hyams. the floor is yours. >> good morning laugh commissioners. mike hyams. responsible for clean power sf and power resources.

happy to see you today. happy friday. i have some slize if slides if you can bring those up. thank you. for my report today, i'll provide our usual update on clean powersf customer enrollment and service statistics. i'll also provide additional information on electify my ride, the emobile program i introduced to you in january. i wanted to interdue the all electric multi-family program. a program offered now by hetch hetchy power. our local publicly owned power utility that along with clean powersf is operated by the sfpuc power enterprise and lastly share information about our current direct pay

activities. clean pow, sf continues to successfully serve our customers, par tis paig in the program remains stable and energy sales from super green are 100 percent renewable portfolio standard eligible product represents 13 percent of retail sales. at your january meeting i shared the power enterprise would be launching a new e-bike incentive program. this program is called, electify my ride and accepted application february 5. as i shared in jrn, this program offered a $1 thousand off the purchase of a new e-bike as a point of sale

discount at participating local bike shops. the development of the program we coordinated with mta improving biking infrastructure around the city. we gathered information around the coubtry, including programs offered by denver and peninsula clean agency, south san mateo and neighboring communities. we did to learn about their successes and potential pit-falls. one important distinction from these other e-bike programs for electify my ride is we chose to focus the incentive for those most in need. for our program, eligible customers must be enrolled in a energy assistance program and must live in a equity priority community. these are areas within san francisco defined by the metropolitan transportation commission being historically under-served and include consideration of transportation

access. a side benefit is it helps draw customers into the electric bill assistance program and we have seen this hap in in the one month the program has been operating. with the restrictions we have seen a lot of interest in the program. as of today, out of our 100-0000 incentive budget, close to 50 percent of available coupons have been reserved and about 80 coupons already redeemed, again in just a little over a month of operations. we also expanded list of eligible retail locations from two as reported back in january to 8 and growing today. to communicate the program to eligible customers we used a variety of approaches. we sent direct postcards and e-mails alerting customers to the program and provided helpful information on how to apply and redeem their caw

coupon. we set up a web page at sfpuc.org/electifymyride. all our materials are translated into spanish, chinese and filipino to help more customers take advantage of the opportunity. we are excited about this program and we look forward learning from the first round of incentive offerings which closes at the end of april and making refinements before we launch a second round. over the next several weeks we will launch social media advertisements, sharing in language tool kit with community based organizations, members of the board of supervisors, members of lafco if you are interested and other stakeholders and providing helmets and stickers to participating bike retailers to

distribute to customers that redeem their coupons. we are really excited about that program. we are also excited about another program that i like to share and that is hetch hetchy power's new all electric multifamily program. hetch hetchy power reerntly started accepting application for this program which we hope will serve as a model that eventually we can scale. the new multifamily program is currently available to multifamily affordable housing buildings served by hetch hetchy power and helps affordable housing sites start the transition away from natural gas to all electric. through the program we conduct a building site assessment, develop strategy specific to each building system and constraints and help identify other programs such as incentives and or financing

opportunities the building may be able to leverage. we understand the task of electrifying the buildsings can be a long complicated and overwhelming journey and our program affordal housing owners make meaningful first steps towards meeting their electrification goals. one of the objectives of the program is understand if this particular approach is helpful to customers before extending to other multifamily buildings, including power sf customers. we also want to be sure on the clean powersf side we are not duplicating offerings in development or already offered to our customers. let's now switch to direct pay. i think this will warm things up for the rest of your agenda today. direct pay is a new provision

established by inflation reduction act that makes federal tax credit s for qualifying energy projects available to tax exempt entities through a cash payment. clean powersf is working with other cca's to explore direct pay opportunities for utility scale renewable resources. we are discusing our respective goals and the requirements for leveraging direct pay as a new opportunity and hope to issue a solicitation that allows us to see the actual value proposition of direct pay against our standard power purchase agreement model of electricity procurement. in addition, puc engaged financial and legal advisors pursuing direct pay opportunities across our water, wastewater and power enterprises and one of the first set of projects we are pursuing for direct pay are eligible hetch hetchy power owned roof top solar instillations completed in 2023.

our sfpuc finance team is working with advisory team to submit the solar projects eligible for the direct pay money and in the mean-time the same team is helping to proactively identify future projingect opportunities. we have been waiting fwr the final regulation issued by the u.s. treasury for several months now, and that just came out last week. internal and external teams will be reviewing the process and requirements for submitting applications. they are doing so now and working with peer financial advocacy groups to address remaining issues in the regulations. that concludes my prepared remarks and happy to take any questions you might have. >> thank you. vice chair fielder. >> thank you so much all hyams.

so, i'm super excited to hear about the new hetch hetchy program and multifamily housing, and then as far as the direct pay program, is there any way that lafco can be support or board of supervisors? is clean powersf submitting public comment in response if there is a pub luck comment period from treasury? >> i will need to get back to you on the comment period, but our team is looking at that very issue, so happy to follow up with the executive officer on that question. i understand time is probably of the essence, so we can follow upright away. >> amazing, thank you. that's it. >> thank you. i don't see other name on the roster. let's go to item b, which is with our executive aufsher jeremy pollock and policy

analyst and [indiscernible] >> good morning chair, commissioners. jeremy pollock, lafco executive officer. give me a moment to share my presentation. we is a couple brief updates on the first two studies undertaking as part of the mou. i'm speak on the battery study and mr. samurai will speak on the green banking study. our first study is on battery energy storage systems and the policies and permitting around them, and we are contracting with a consultant leading the study and we have been meeting weekly, now transitions to biweekly with core project team

including myself and staff and they've circulated a draft of these initial sections of the research portion of the study that we are providing feedback on and getting ready for the next step is engaging with the two key departments involved in permitting for battery systems. the fire department and it department of building inspection had a great initial meeting with the fire department earlier this week with fire marshal ken coughlin. they have been engaged in president peskin's recent ordinance around mobile batteries and mobile electric devices and so, fairly deep in the weeds on a lot of these issues, and now we are revisiting the roof top storage systems and i think encouraged by the initial results of the safety comparison between these

kind of--the kind of home batteries that go along with a roof top solar system, compared to either electric vehicles or e -mobility devices. the battery chemistry are stable and fire risk seems very low. there is all these manufacturers are tied to large corporation and there is a like public accountability for these batteries, opposed to a lot of the e-scooters that will be-you can get off amazon from fly by night manufacturers that is where we see a lot of fires caused by electric batteries that have lead to places like new york city having a crack down on them and president peskin revisiting the regulation on it. the initial results we are encouraged by the general safety of these batteries and looking forward engaging with

these departments to understand what policies we can recommend for expanding instillations of batteries to help with our climate goals. i think we are on track to complete the study by the end of april and looking forward to having present hopefully at the may lafco meeting. with that, i'll turn it over to mr. samurai to talk about the green bank study. >> thank you. good morning commissioners. just as a reminder, lafco's green bank finance study is part of the mou with puc how the green bank can provide cost savings to. the study build on investment working group for financial corporation that can serve as city green bank, and the purpose of the study is provide outline how potential green bank can leverage diverse

spending mechanisms, funding mechanism. outline a pilot program to advance decarbonization goals and highlight importance of partnerships with community development financial institutions. we recently submitted to our state agencies on climate funding. one to the i bank and california treasurer on climate financing strategies and one to the california energy commission on ira, inflation reduction act home program. the next steps with the green bank finance study are to finalize the scope of work with the green finance working group, which includes puc, treasurer, mohcd and department of homeless services and department of environment. we delayed the timing on developing this final scope because we wanted to wait for the epa to select the first set of coalitions that will be receiving the green house gas reduction funds, and in

addition, our other next step is to explore outside funding for green bank financing studies that expand on the limited scope. >> thank you. >> that complights our presentation. happy to take questions or comments from commissioners. >> vice chair fielder. >> thank you so much executive officer pollock and mr. samurai. my question about battery storage, it has been a while since i have been clued into battery discussions, but what is the-do we know the-what the going rate is for purchasing residential battery storage? >> yeah, good question. i don't have an exact figure in front of me. i believe the ball park figure for a tesla wall is around $15

thousand or so for basic residential size,b and i think i heard quotes of something like for like installing roof top solar system on a single family with a battery is maybe around $40 thousand in the city. a lot of the manufactures, the preferred model is leasing structure where the manufacturer owns the battery and roof top solar and leases it to the home owner and basically you are paying a lease that will be less then your electric rate and they are responsible for it and a lot of times there is a option to purchase after 5 or 10 years. looking forward to having this report refine those numbers but i think that is the ball park figure what we are looking at. >> got it. thank you. question about duration.

what is there invasion is just so fast over the years, so not sure what the going number of hours is for what standard? >> the number of hours of storage? >> uh-huh. >> i'm not sure. largely depends on the size of the battery. i think. i hesitate to offer a estimate and i think that is one of the key policy things we are looking at is, sort of balancing the desire for people to have larger batteries to have longer storage for emergency resilience with the fire concerns about the larger battery, the larger fire hazard in the house. yeah, so i think that is something we will be spelling out more in the study. >> okay. thank you. those are all my questions. thank you. >> thank you and i saw

commissioner williams name on the roster. thank you. that is great. that means you answered thoroughly. i appreciate it. with that, let's go to public comment on this item. >> there is any individual in the room who would like to speak on item 3, please come forward. no one coming forward, we'll go to public comment line. jaime, do we have anyone in the queue? madam chair, we have no callers. >> public comment is now closed and with that, thank you so much for your presentation today. we really appreciate it and i believe that this is the information item and so we will go to the next item, which is number 4. >> item 4 is presentation on the elective pay provision of the inflation reduction act that allow government entities to claim tax credit for clean energy investments.

>> hi. >> is this public comment? >> i believe there is a remote presenter. >> understood. i was like wait, who is this? >> hi. i'm sorry about the confusion. thank you so much. good morning commissioners. hello everyone. hopefully everyone can see and hear me. i'm not able to share my screen, so if someone can share the attachment provided for the presentation today. >> could i have pause for one second. i think it is best for the record that we introduce the presenter and so i'm going to have executive officer pollock help us to do that. >> great. thank you. jeremy pollock, lafco executive officer and we invited the folks from center for public enterprise to present on the direct pay provisions of

inflation reduction act mr. hyams was just speaking about, and also particularly asked them to look at it in the frame of the green banking study and thinking about how this new opportunity for local governments would fit in with the plans for a green bank and, sounds like-looks like we got--sfgovtv are you able to share now? great. you want to introduce yourself and take it away? >> thank you so much jeremy. appreciate the introduction. good morning commissioners. nice to be here today. my name is advait the energy policy associate at the center for public enterprise a non profit think tank figuring innovative financing solutions. we work pretty closely with department of energy, a few

other states designing their green bank programs and been talk toog jeremy [indiscernible] discuss what using electric pay through the public bank could look like. next slide, please. so, we talked about green banks this morning and i know san francisco is already committed to putting together a public bank. i'll talk about what the capability of the bank could look like in incentivizeing and promoting catalyzing investment into green energy across the city through clean powersf and public utility commission. then go into further description of elective pay or direct pay, a program from inflation reduction act that allows a non profit or tax exempt including the city government [indiscernible] finally, discuss different options for operationalizing electric pay through different program designs around the city and give a summary with new possibilities for project

development. i want to leave you with a framework to best address your public clean energy development needs, particularly through staffing different provisions. let's get started. next slide, please. so, i'll speak to the green bank slides fairly quickly. i think it is important san francisco public bank as a investment institution is able to issue bonds, raise financing and directly lend to project developers. construction finance is one of the biggest needs of the [indiscernible] sf public bank should be prepared to contribute. construction finance is the highest risk part of any private or public property. [indiscernible] working closely with public bank to build construction finance in particular is a major task and collaboration opportunity between them. other capabilities are just as important.

the public bank can be taking equity stakes if [indiscernible] a policy failure in our eyes and important the bank is capable enough to be able to make sure the project is complete. next slide. ultimately, it is important that all project developers in san francisco city developers, prime developers and non profit are able to access the different financial products they need and another thing green banks can look at. not just construction financing, but able to take on different risks to the project developers and supplying contracting, construction and [indiscernible] ultimately the public bank if it has capacity to do public development then the city [difficulty hearing speaker] this is diagram of stylized

diagram of what a sf public bank could look like and how becomes a node for coordinating project development not just in the city but also non profit and public developers. no matter what it does, it needs to build up [indiscernible] financial expertise to know how to put the projects together and structure financing and legal finances to deal with there irs, work with [indiscernible] monetize a lot of money that is flowing into the city from various federal and state [indiscernible] some of the stuff we have been talking about with other cities, states and the [indiscernible] department of energy are how to design a green public lender that works well for the developers. it deserves wide range of authority and a public bank even though it should be

self-sustainable could receive recapitalization from the government and show political support for priorities. more then just being a pass-through institution for lending, sf public bank needs to build partnerships with local government, labor, community stakeholders and optimize capital across-all these other [indiscernible] a important function that green bank design proposals folks should not ignore. next slide. we are on the fun stuff. we discussed in the previous item, but the great thing about elective pay or direct pay allows local government and non profit and any tax exempt oreshz in the city to receive the full value of federal tax credit as direct cash payments from the federal government. it is pretty incredible way to level the playing field in public and private developer s and there is no cap on the

amount of elective pay you can receive, it is between 30 to 50 percent of the basis of the project and there is no size limit on the project you can build to earn elective pay. what the center [indiscernible] used to [indiscernible] critical energy resources to facilitate [indiscernible] using it well requires to identify projects suitable for elective pay, enterprise technical assistance and experience to understand the partners you need, contractors you want to hire and adequate capital operation budget especially you only receive after your project is [indiscernible] until a project is build and generating energy, only then you receive elective pay, so until then the source of construction finance, something to tide the project over is necessary. next slide, please. the next few slides include diagrams of the