news. yeah. okay. ready? okay, okay. the meeting is now called to order. it's 2:05 p.m. the sheriff's department oversight meeting is now in session. on behalf of the sheriff's department oversight board, we would like to thank the staff of sfgovtv for providing technical assistance to broadcast and

record this afternoon's meeting. you may view this afternoon's broadcast on cable channel 26. please stand to recite the pledge of allegiance. the united states of america. and to the republic for which it stands. one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and. dan, please call the roll. member. mango will not be in attendance today. vice president brueckner is running late and will join us later. member carrion. president carrion is present. member. nguyen. president nguyen is present. member. palmer. president palmer is present. president. suh. president suh is present. member. webster. present. president vector is present. there are five members present, and we have a quorum. thank you. may i get a motion to excuse?

member. mango. so moved. do we have a second? second. any objections? seeing none, it's unanimously approved. dan, please call the first agenda item. calling line. item one. communications. informational item. announcements and information to share with the board members and the public. okay, so first up we have the young community developers. we run bayview. second, we have faith and blue. and then we also have faith and blue blessing of the badges and the faith in blue is pretty much an all day session. it's this saturday, and so we'd like to poll to see who will be attending, because we can't have a quorum. and i don't know, janet, if you want to expound on notice quorum at these public events. so i exactly what do you want me to say that you need if you're if you're going to have them, it would probably be considered a

meeting. and if there's a quorum, if there's a quorum of people who attend the faith and blue event, is that what you're asking? i think so, i mean, i have a differing opinion from a different commission in that if it's a an event called by someone else and it's really more a social community event, that it didn't matter. and always the admonition that people don't talk about business, but your opinion is that if there's a quorum that there shouldn't be a quorum, number one, and if there is a quorum, it has to be run by a meeting and noticed. yeah, that was what i sent the email about. right? okay. i mean, all right, all right. i just want to remind. so i don't know if we can quickly do this and just see who is interested in the ycd. we run bayview. when is that? when is that? october 12th. yeah. i'm going to. yeah, i'm getting

ready to go on a trip. so will you be doing that, member palmer, we rarely get a mention. okay, okay, so we might not have anybody there, but i think what i'm going to have people do is just email dan to make it easier. and whoever the top three, i guess in time order will get to go. and then dan will just keep track so we don't have to. but i highly recommend if you can go to faith and blue to go to faith and blue. it's held at ck three. and then there's little overview. you get to meet some of the junior cadets, and then you also do some simulation skits. that's actually going to be tomorrow. oh sorry. tomorrow. yeah. and you can mark me down for that 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. i'm already assigned to four. oh, great. i'm already assigned there. okay. yeah. and then. and then mike poon is such a great trainer, too. so anyone else? it's from 8

to 4. it's in san bruno at ck three. i maybe member palmer. okay, okay. and then this is a later one that we heard about. it's the blessing of the badges. and that's sunday the 13th. so it's a day after the run and it's and it's later at 11 a.m. in oakland. so, dan, any other further announcements? yes. this is the regular in-person monthly public meeting of the sheriff's department oversight board. members of the sheriff's department oversight board will attend this meeting in person. members of the public are invited to observe the meeting in person, except for persons with disabilities requiring reasonable accommodation, only members of the public attending

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by approaching the podium when it is free, you will have two minutes to provide public comment. the first tone will alert you that you have 30s to complete your public comment. the second tone will alert you that your two minutes are up. that is the end of announcement. thank you. any public comments on the announcements for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line? item one communications, please approach the podium when it is free. good afternoon. i'm doing this now because i don't want to wait until the article eight is to. it's going to be in three hours. this is i made only four of these, so it's for four of you. you decide. okay. you don't have to read it, but the content is important. it's for you to make sure you understand that. now you know you have it. and

the sky is witness. okay, sir. that's fine. fine. communication. all right. so should is not public comment. should i wait this this is actually relevant to this particular agenda item. you get it? if you would like, please leave things for the members. okay, so i'll come back. thank you. okay. next item on the agenda, please. madam president, before we move into the agenda, i'd like to ask that we observe a moment of silence for amonte hadley, the young woman who died in custody in the county jail in august. okay. thank you. thank you. and as we indicated

at the last meeting via our inspector general, we cannot comment on this ongoing investigation. and once there is a full investigation with repor, it will be information for the public. thank you. dan. the next agenda item, please. colleen. line item two. approval of minutes. action item approval of the september 6th, 2024 board meeting. minutes. i move to approve a second. i'll second that. okay. excuse me. for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line item two approval of minutes, please approach the podium when it is free. there appears to be no public comment calling the roll on the approval of minutes member caron i. caron is i member win i win is i member palmer? i palmer is i

president sue i sue is i member wechter no because i was not here for that meeting and i haven't had time to review the entire recording of it. there is no there are four eyes and one no. the minutes from the september 6th, 2024 meeting are approved. thank you. next item on the agenda, please. colleen. line item three presentation by rudy corpuz. informational item ruby corpuz, founder and executive director of united players, will provide insights into his experiences and that his establishment of united players, as well as the impact on the community, mr. corpuz. thank you guys for having me. i'm honored. i'm humbled to be here to share with you our history of our organization,

united players. but before i do that, i just want to give a shout out to my comrade right there. mr. palmer, it's good to see you, king, sitting there in that chair, man. the boss that you are, that's where you belong, brother. we had many talks about this. and you look perfect. i wish i could take a picture of you. that's my homie right there. so i want to start. praise god so thank you, julie. the president, for inviting us up to share with you guys the historical movement of our organization, the mighty united players. it's a movement that was created by the people, for the people, by the people, and with the people from in particular, the young youth. but now we're all the way as young as kids, from the elementary to all the way adults from the penitentiary. and i'm going to have my brothers up here sharing the minute. and so, i don't know, do we got how much time we

got to do this, but i don't want to half hour. okay. we don't need so thank you. there ain't nothing i ain't got no notes. i ain't got nothing up my sleeve. this is coming from my heart. united players ironically started in october of 1994. october the eighth. the coverage of documentation that shows the first fight that happened in san francisco at balboa high school in 1994. i was hired as a gang prevention counselor at bernal heights neighborhood center by a gentleman named mauricio vela. he took a chance on me as an ex-felon to come up there to work with young youth who are particularly filipino gang members. so, you know, knowing the district bernal heights is in is an 11. he said, rudy, i need you to deal with all the gang members. that's filipino in that neighborhood. and i'm a native san francisco born and raised south of market district six, but i know where they're

all at because i was active in that lifestyle. caught the 14 mission, went to balboa high school showing off october 1994. balboa high school is off the hook. the principal there was her name was miss mona virgin, filipino lady was trying to find solutions and answers through the police, through different departments to help stop and alleviate the violence that was happening at the school because nobody had the answers. so watch this. this is how god works. i'm blessed. i'm an ex-felon. i'm coming to the school. i ain't supposed to even be there on campus. but nobody was stopping. nobody was an open door policy. just come on up to the school. there's no gates at the time up there. right behind the no gates, just walk on. every day was a sideshow at bell. a big fight ensued between blacks and filipinos, right during the

altercation between these two groups. people was getting jumped, people was getting robbed, and people was getting hurt because nobody didn't have didn't have the courage to step up. so me being there and i'm filipino, i'm looking at all the filipinos. this is for pacquiao, though, you know what i mean? we was we was warriors then. y'all just see that brother right there said sir. he going to speak in a minute. that's the original pacquiao. him and his twin brother. so fight break ou. nobody's able to defuze the fight because people ain't had the courage. so here i am up there telling the filipinos we need to sit down with the brothers because this is a school and a place to get educated, an institution. so they was willing to do it. there was a gentleman named andre alexander. he was the coach of the football team who got the brothers, and it was a big samoan cat who worked there as a

security guard. his name was light from frisco north beach projects. shout out to them, he was there. we came together and said, let's get all these youngsters together. the principal gave us the range to do what we had to do to end the violence. he came to blacks. he came to filipinos, sat in a roo. we even had to get the police to go get the kid because he was. he was expelled. one of the kids from hunters point to bring him in. somebody hold on. rudy. oh, man. it's kind of chilling. how you feeling, baby? given the historical history of up. all right, so we're in a room. balboa high school, room 112, where the players dwell. true story. with the youth. and i said, so what's really going on? why are you guys fighting? so they was comfortable enough to share because no police came in

the room. the administration had come in the room. it was just all the thugs, the young cats who was willing to learn and wanted to learn, but wasn't getting the proper education. so we sat in a room and they said a, b, c, one, two, three. most wars are stopped or fought over a woman. it was a female. that's how it started. so, you know, i'm like, okay, so who was the female? got the yearbook. we looked at it and you know, no disrespect. i was like, damn, y'all finna go to prison and die for her. you know, make sense out of it. everybody kind of laughed and they said, you know what? you're right. well, ain't nothing happens here at the school. they it's like action. i said, well, i gave the power to the people. what do you want to do? the youngsters came up with all the answers to the solution to stop the violence. bro. october 8th, 1994. fast forward

october the 8th is in how many days? like five days? well, today, the fourth venmo days will be 30 years. we still pushing, homie, god is being good to us. the youth that started something that started from the concrete, the roads out, the concrete. our organization man has saved thousands and thousands and thousands of youth's lives and guess what? we worldwide, we got chapters all over the world now that's helping us stop the violence in different ways. i'm at bernal heights neighborhood center 2000, 1994, 2005. i said, and the kids gave me this at juvenile hall. they said, hey, bro, why you always helping out

the kids over there, man? and excelsior up in sunnydale or over there, man in lakeview. why don't you help us out? we live right there. where you live downtown tenderloin. i'm like you, right? this is in juvenile hall. they locked up. i'm going to visit everybody else. it made sense. i said, yeah, we need to do what we're doing over there. so in 2005, i took up, asked mauricio vela. hey, mauricio, can i take what i started here and bring it to my neighborhood? he said, you sure can, rudy, but a pimp tell a hoe like he told me. you can take what the program, but you can't take none of the funding. oh, i said, all right. cool. i already made connections with gavin, mayor brown, whoever i needed to make it with through the duration of 94 to 2005. so i went there. i started with no money. nathan nathaniel. and said, how can i get some money, man, to start what? we started over there

because it works in my neighborhood. and the brother name was eugene coleman. i don't know if you knew eugene coleman. he used to be in a nonprofit organization where i grew up called can and kip on eighth and natoma, but eugene coleman worked for one of the city departments. under him was a guy named fred blackwell, who's right now the i guess he runs the san francisco foundation. they said, what you need. i said, man, i need some money to pay my people. so they shot me 25 g's because i was a nonprofit. i got my people who knew how to write grant writers. i got a team, and we was in our neighborhood south of market. now we was working out the rec center sixth and folsom, where you brought your kids to where we had our halloween parties. but as time went on, we started bringing all the kids from the neighborhood black, latino, filipino, samoans, whites, chinese, cambodian, everybody. and we was at the rec center like two years later they said, guess what, dude, you got an mou

was an mou. i know about money makin murder. you understand me? but do i know about mou? no. well, y'all can't be in the rec. we going to charge you? charges? they ain't got no money to give y'all. god, we came to the rec. it was a friday. me and all the kids coming from bessie carmichael. they locked and chained the door with the sheriff's out there. you know how that felt with us in the rain. and we couldn't go in our own neighborhood park and rec center. i was devastated, grew up in a neighborhood, born and raised, still there and i didn't understand the politics and behind. i just knew, man, these are the kids. so you know what rudy did? rudy fasted and started talking to god, i fasted, man. i would go to

meetings. this is all based on a true story, man. i would get papers when i'm at meetings and i would draw with the united players building, look like, and within a year god blessed me with that building. homie, where your players club at? i'm going to tell you what mine is at 1038 howard street, in the heart of soma. and i'm going to tell you how good it is on my id when i was born and they gave me my driver's license on my license, it already said 1038. i ain't bsing. this is for real. so we have a building now, 2007 2008. we moved into 1038 howard street. we started growing our program started meeting and building with the people. and guess what happened? i was able to meet people like matt haney, jane kim, what's the other brother who's name was there?

chris daly, who were warriors in the field that fought for our people and they created the stabilization fund that the funding that would go from development would go to our community. but i sat at the table just like you did, player, because i wanted to make sure they was being held accountable. and i said, nah, that money ain't just going to go to anybody. it goes to the people. in 2015, we was able to purchase our building on my mama and she in heaven owned the building. we ain't never owned nothing. we ain't on a border of brick in our neighborhood. but now we owning it for the people. and so what am i doing at that time? i'm building relationships with mahomes behind the walls. because these are my brothers. these are my comrades. these are my barracudas. you understand what i'm saying? julie? these are our people. you're looking at them right here. they was able to come home after life

sentences right? bloods, crips comes north, south, white boys all coming home. who already made transition in behind the walls in the penitentiary to give back to build the community that was being destroyed. it takes the hood to say the hood it takes us to save us. y'all ain't going to do it. we going to do it, but we going to hold you accountable. and so what transpires at the time, brother started coming home. 25, 35, 45 years. and guess what i would do? i would give them the opportunity to work with the kids killers, working with the kids who heard that. and there was some of the most impactful and most powerful kids. i mean, people that would help the kids out. but what i started

realizing is the kids was helping them out because the kids was medicine. man, keeping on point. and so we started evolving. 2015, 2020. we getting everywhere, we transforming. they sending me all the way to what's that place with the needle ireland. i'm in ireland. boy from the ghetto, downtown tenderloin, sixth street boy filipino boy in ireland. hanging man with the realest. telling about what we do. what works because see, god's plan works everywhere. no matter where you at on the planet. then guess where i land? africa. i went to africa, man. and in africa, where the struggle is real, they just need the basic, essential

things for them to survive. we out here, we spoiled just like the philippines. my brother right there. i met his brother in san quentin state prison in 94, where his brother was in there, one of the first to ever commit a murder at the young age of 16, filipino in our neighborhood got sentenced to life, but was able to get out after 35. but they deported him and they brought him to the philippines where he's out there. guess what? saving lives and putting people and dumping them in the water. what's that guy's name? who did that? he would put people in the water. john the baptist, him, his brother man was one of them cats, though, you know what i mean? will. but he. and guess what? he baptizes him in you pee shirts in the ocean. swim, brother man. and he did it at his time. he was a kid. he was only 16 when he committed his crime. he grew up, made a transition behind the walls.

right? found jesus christ, my lord. and savior, who thank you, god and was able to make a transition with many other brothers behind them. walls who came out see prison didn't rehabilitate them. they rehabilitated theirself. amen. and came out and they got the opportunity. like that gentleman right there. and so we started building. and guess what? we just did bought another buildin. congratulations. right? to the tv people. you imagine guys from our neighborhood who used to destroy and harm our community and our people. now our stakeholders. right. some of the best people who are my friends now is the police. you see me shake his hand because i ain't got nothing to hide no more. i ain't no criminal. that's my partner right there, chief scott. he from la. that's my

homeboy. i was mad at him for a minute. it's alright. i'm human. and so what we was able to do during the duration is do gun buybacks. that's another thing we do under the umbrella of stopping silencing the violence. because the number one killer for children now is gun violence 19 or younger. domestic violence suicide a lot of people out here is bleeding inside. and so we was able to start doing gun buybacks with matty scott, with the chief, with brothers like you, palmer, who came home after all them years, the youth, we all came together under one umbrella. moms demand action. brady campaign, right. all under one umbrella. a community that said we ain't gon, you know, continue to allow people to get killed for senseless gun violence. i'm a survivor of gun violence in my neighborhood. ninth and howard. so we try to gun me down, but i'm still here

and guess what? we was able to get thousands and thousands of guns off the streets, no questions asked. and i want to be real clear. i am not against the second amendment. i am not, but i'm against senseless gun violence because i know what it feels like to have a hot one in your ass. or even pump some. and so we destroyed thousands and thousands of guns now, and we're making art out of it. we got butterflies. the warriors just purchased right to put it, they say, to show how beautiful that something could transform when you put light and you put love into it. i got all kinds of stories i can tell you about that man, but i want to take too much time. that's just part two. and so what are we doing this month? we celebrating 30 years

of life. 30 years of transforming something that turns something that was ugly to something that's beautiful. the roads from the concrete, the roads that came from the third world country. that's what we united players, we god's warriors, we god's soldiers, and we going to continue to do what god has us to do because that's who our leader is now. and so i want to thank you for having us come up here. you didn't know that that this was our 30 year anniversary. this week. we having a party secret location. i can't tell you. don't say nothing. only the players are invited. and so i want to make sure i give a shout out to everybody like you did at the beginning. to people who passed away because there was many people during our 30 year duration who was with us. that passed away. young kids as young as 12 all the way, adults. so thank you for starting it. that

way. respect. we always want to honor our dead and our heroes because you guys did this way before i did it. i'm just following your footsteps. i'm just one man that's humble to know that i will follow god and have me do whatever he has me to do to continue to bring life into these young people. and so thank you for giving me this opportunity. you know what i mean? thank you for having us up here. we are a nonprofit. you can donate, contribute. you know what i mean? i take et, i take all that. yeah. thank you. rudy. i just wanted to let people know why i invited rudy. and i see members of the latino task force here. we can't do our work without the community where the latino task force. that's my brother right there. yep. and. and we can't do this work without the community. and this highlights the need for public, private relationships to get our work done. but we also rely on the eyes and ears of the

community to let us know how we can serve you, because we are the servants of the people of san francisco. i appreciate it, i want to i just want to have my brothers real quick. yes. and then i also i also wanted to just highlight because member palmer, as you know, painted the visiting room, but, you know, you are the prime example. and others i looked at like eddie jane too, and so hopefully eddie zhang, eddie zheng, rico ramirez, i met all them cats man in 1994, san quentin prison. it was all my comrades, my brothers. so this is to also highlight how we want to have services to make sure we break the cycle, because the cycle can be broken when you have services and organizations like yours. i just want, you know, i'm so proud of your son. you just shout out where your son is going to. even though it's my college rival. well, fight on, that's usc right? this they do. it's my daughter. oh your

daughter. sorry. so my yeah, my youngest daughter selena melinda corbett shout out to her. my other daughter shade. you know their mama man is so amazing. and my two sons rudy and choppa can't forget him. but my youngest daughter y'all just graduated out of urban and she got selected and she's at usc. excellent. so she's out there keeping it lit. and so i went to their school and they kept going like this to me. and then i got it. that means fight on trojans, you know. and so but i'll be pushing for the cal bears. yeah. they playing this weekend right. yeah. they playing on some big school espn. it's real big shout out my boy marshawn lynch my brother. you know he's contributes to united players steph curry donates colin kaepernick. jaylen brown 40. all these guys are my brothers man. they believe in our mission. you know it takes the hood to say the hood. our people you know and so and rest in peace mauricio too because mauricio villa yep may he rest in peace.

yeah for real mitchell salazar all these guys man from the mission. yeah. you know what i'm saying, rudy, i'd like to share with you some of the ways that united players has impacted my family. and just hearing you speak it makes me feel emotional because as someone that lives like maybe half a block, a quarter of a block from united players, we have been so directly impacted by all of the amazing work that you have done, and especially during covid, in such a scary time. i'll tell you, miesha is just phenomenal. there are times, regrettably, my children, you know, have been sick, regrettably a lot, and we wanted to go to events. and she would notice when my kids weren't there and she would put stuff away from them, like even like the little gifts and stuff. and they were so loved. and then we saw all of your staff. i've seen your staff with all of these kids bringing them in. my

kids have played with them. we go to all of your amazing events, which are spectacular, so well organized. everyone feels the love. you see all these beautiful black, brown, like all kinds of folks and it dispels this horrible myth. as someone that currently lives in the tenderloin, my wife still lives like right next to y'all and there's such a horrible myth about these communities. when people say, i tell them where i live, they're like, but you have a kid. i was like, do you know that tenderloin has the highest population of children? did you know that? there is you know, there is a sense of community. you know, we're not talking about people who are just unhoused and having things. we're talking about people who are having pain, who are our neighbors that we are. they are our neighbors. and you are teaching that and raising warriors that are compassionate and kind and have a high intelligence. and i mean, i've seen the you know, i mean, you

probably don't remember me because, you know, like, i'm in my chanclas and like, you know, i'm like my sweats kicking my kids around doing stuff, but, you know, like seeing the buybacks and like, people bring all kinds of crazy stuff. yeah. like there's bombs, there's grenades. like there's some heavy artillery. somebody brought up. somebody brought a rocket launcher. right. like and you're just like, this is what was out in the community. i've seen little kids drop off guns because adults were scared to drop them off. that's right. and you see how it impacts communit. and i love seeing the joy that you have brought to these children and to see the development of leadership and rehabilitation for folks. and it's just absolutely beautiful. i cannot commend your organization. it has brought so much love to our house. and i we if hopefully, you know, one of them don't get a cold, but we hope to be at your halloween

event and i will completely and misha's just i mean she's a special person. yes she is. and i just want to say thank you for the kind words and i will say misha is one of the backbones and the heart of united players. she was there with me at the beginning. she used to work for. she used to work for rap. she ran homie in the mission, right. and so misha is phenomenal. carolyn grant phenomenal. heather. phenomenal. i got so many people on my team. it's like, you know, a winning team that everybody really cares. and we're about trauma informed care. we're about really dealing with the trauma now within ourselves and the kids to bring the right way to resolve the way you feel. you know what i mean? we was taught not to cry. we was taught, you know, hold that in. no, we going to tell you to cry because we making peace

fashionable. now we want you you know we on some player stuff now on some real player stuff. but we taking that all that you know the stigmas of us, how things we was taught and learned to be opposite but to let people know that it's cool now because our people, black and brown people, we've been doing that from the beginning of time of healing. we just was on top that it wasn't cool, you know what i mean? yoga sounded weird. i would never do yoga. and now we doing it. grown ass men. we doing a yoga, you know? but that was our healing. we didn't know that. you know, we just thought, man, somebody get killed, shot in our neighborhood. we just go through it and got to get through it. nah, man, we're human beings like anybody else. we suffer, we go through pain, but we got ways of learning how to deal with it. our emotions and our pain. and so we're teaching it now. we're getting taught, you know, through, you know, through colleges or people that are experts in it. but now we're teaching it to the kids. it's old to them. you know. but i

just want to and before i bring them up, you guys talk a lot about me. it really ain't me. it's my style. it's them who do it. i'm just the face of it. we know. and they make you look good. so i would like to bring up some of my good brothers right here. come on up, gentlemen. and if you don't mind saying a few words, please. good afternoon, you guys. my name is cesar. i am from the philippines in the late 60s and early 70s, i came to the united states and i speak no english at all. didn't even know what? yes and no mean. i started going to school here. sixth grade. i used to get bullied. me and my brothers, me and my twin brother and my older brother. and i said to myself that it's this united states,

and i didn't want to come here at first. you know? but anyway, i started gangbanging in the early 70s. i grew up in here in san francisco, and from juvenile at the age of 11.5, i ran away from home and i started gangbanging with my friends, and i went to juvenile. from juvenile, i went to hawaii, from hawaii, i went to prison. i spent almost more than half of my life incarcerated, and i am now 65 years old. and when i came to united players. united players changed my life because of god's doing. now i'm doing god's work and i enjoy my job. i enjoy being with the united players and i will always be a up for life. thank you. amen.

thank you, thank you. my name is jason lacy and i'm one of the formerly incarcerated that now work with rudy. when i was younger, i got locked up and served a life sentence. i'm from southern california. former gang member crip. i got sentenced to life sentence when i was 20 years old. i did 25 straight on a basically 15 to life sentence and my product of sb 260 and 261 when they raised the age of a youth past 18, which allowed them to revisit a lot of us that were incarcerated as kids, that were getting treated as adults. they were having hearings, being reviewed as adults, and being held to the standards to a standard that we shouldn't have been held to. i'm one of the ones that got a second chance. they sent me to san francisco

because they kept me away from the gangs in the los angeles area. i got out in 2019. i met rudy, i told him what i wanted, like what my vision was, is to try to help kids at that turning point in that youth age that are trying to decide whether or not to gang bang or to go straight. and, you know, he told me i asked him what he do, what does he do? and he took me. he took me there to the like, the high schools where they were talking to the high school kids. he took me to the elementary schools. i've been with him five years, ever since i've been out volunteering, helping out with the little kids from elementary school all the way to high school. now i actually get to do with him the things that i said i wanted to do. i go in juvenile hall, we talk to kids in on probation, we help kids. you know, show them the realization of different aspects of gun violence. you know, that's coming from one side of it to see where it can land you in prison. it can land you in jail. it can land you. you can be a victim, you can be shot up. and we come by now letting them know

that. you know what i mean? peace is fashionable. you know, we were once on one side of the gun. you know, fighting for one side. and now we're fighting for change. we're showing people a different way that that it's okay to help. it's okay to give back to your community. you know what i mean? that we're all connected and helping community is just like helping yourself, you know? let me pass it to my friend. thank you. all right. okay. good afternoon. i don't know that i could follow all that. that's a whole lot. that was way too many good stuff, fellas. my name is everett butler, born and raised in south central los angeles. a returnee from incarceration after 26 years. however, in the midst of that incarceration is when i changed my life. a full fledged gang member from south central los angeles wasn't promised to be back out here to tell this story. but before god released me, he humbled me because he knew my heart. i had larsen in it. i had anger in it. i wanted to get the fellas back. that i felt done me wrong because i wasn't getting those letters. when the mailman passed by while

i was sitting in that cell alone. but it was me who put me in there, so it took me to travel that path to understand that it was me who put me there, and it was going to take me to get me back out of there, along with the faith, along with the faith of the creator. so with that being the case, after the 26 years of incarceration, i paroled to san francisco. i became an alchemist and a player at the same time. i was a player before i was an alchemist because i was a player. today i was born. you see what they say worldwide. he said it before, but do or say worldwide. what they say on the shirt player. so no. but back to the situation. like seriously being able to travel the path that i traveled. road of destruction. it helped me get on the path of reconstruction, helping not only my own family, but even other families. i understand now the hurt and pain i inflicted on the family that i took a life from. so when you speak of humbling and i say god humbled me before he released me because i encountered transverse myelitis before i went to the board and was released, i couldn't walk for two weeks. i laid in

stanford hospital. they took all the blood out of my body five times and cleaned. it, gave me five shots of steroids, and sent me to queen of the valley hospital and said, it's going to be up to you if you walk again. it's going to be up to me. well, i'm a workout fanatic. i'll be all right. that same day, my leg was still dead. it wouldn't mov. one more week passed, i still fell, got up. i'm still falling and get up. every this month alone. matter of fact, in halloween morning makes seven years that i've been home. that's coming up right around the corner, right? i go get an infusion that i'm telling you about for this transverse myelitis on the 26th of this month. right. and i'm standing before you. but when i paroled, i was on a walker. i couldn't even walk. 890 right here in san francisco. i'm walking up the hill to the park and i'm like, man, how do i get up this tall hill? but i got up, i fell, i got up, and today i'm on my own. two feet. hard dedication and motivation. i'm determined to continue to give back. united players has done more than just

help me. it's helped me help others. i get more medicine from the kids than i believe i'm gonna get from this injection that i'm going to get from the hospital. i have so many of the youth that look for me to come to the park. i'll be there today. and, you know, one of them said she speaks seven languages. she changed my nickname from boogie to. how do you say? well, how do you say my nickname? well, your nickname in my new language is boga. i said, okay, how does that work? okay, so now when she sees me coming through the gate, she's shouting my name and it's so inspirational and motivational. i can't not go to the park and get my medicine from those kids, you know what i mean? because it's the kids that leaves the future. and who better to tell the youth where the bumps are in the road than somebody that's traveled that road before? like myself? so with that being the case, and once again, shout out and thanks to rudy, because like i say, i was an alchemist at, well, i worked for urban alchemy. i was a director, i denounced that, and now i go inside of juvenile hall to speak with the youth. i'm listening to

my name being read into record, and it's not for the gang that i was from. it's for every butler is here in representation of the youth today from united players. i can only pray and i wish and i know that she's in heaven. smiling down on me. but i wish my mother was here to see me now because when the day i became that gang member was the day she didn't want me to be one. but it took me to travel the road that i traveled to make the decision to not be that gang member. and that was when she passed in 2008. while i was sitting in that set. so that day i made a decision today. but today i'm still peeling off those layers of that monster that i have become. so it's what takes the hood to save the hood. it's going to take all of us to save us. together we stand divided. we are stuck. thank you for hearing me. thank you. thank you, thank you guys for giving us the time to come and share with y'all. god is good y'all. he's been good to us and i just want to say before we leave, it does. it takes the hood to say

the hood. that's all of us. you ain't got to be from the hood for you to come to the hood to help us. you just got to have a loving and caring heart. and so whoever controls the mind and the hearts of the youth control the future. and that's what we're doing. thank you guys for having us. hey, rudy, before you go. before you go, i just want to say that a mutual friend brought me to the clubhouse shortly after i got out in 2019 and introduced me to you in the united players, and you changed my life. really? i wouldn't be here sitting at this seat right now if it wasn't for you. you have been a mentor. you've taught me the corners to turn, who to talk to. you put me in in rooms. you've introduced me to people. people who would have walked by with their nose up in the air. probably. but they were good people anyway, you know what i mean? they wouldn't have took the time out to even get to know me. but you introduced me to people who otherwise i

wouldn't have got to know that. have inspired me, put me in places, and did a lot of things for me, man. so i want to just say thank you. it's bigger than every word that's been said. you know, one will be able to comprehend what united players really are. even mister lacey who talked we were in 111 taylor street. i didn't i didn't really too much care for him. we were in usc, usf going through pace program. i still didn't really too much care for him, but it wasn't until i met him at upn. i said, wait a minute, let me take a different look at this, brother. and when he said, thank you to me for the law that i changed to help him get out, i knew it was bigger than what i felt about people. amen. it's about the people and what they do and the chances that, like, we don't know who a person are because we judge them by they they cover, they skin, they record. but when i saw him with up, i already knew he was a star. so our relationship changed. and then, like even till now, i beg for a living in

order to live in san francisco. but when roy butler, who lost his wife recently. right. he's a legend. yes, he is. and when nobody was donating to him like he should never have to work a day in his life, if it wasn't for him, i wouldn't have went to court and won my freedom along with 1200 other people, youth offenders. right? so i beg you to give him some money. and you did. that's how powerful up is. even when you're down and out, the down and out will come to rudy and up and say, hey, i know somebody who's even worse off than me. can we help that person? and that's what the brotherhood of up is about. it don't matter if i couldn't eat today, i'll give my last crumb to the person who is even more hungrier. you know what i mean? that's what you inspire and i've said it to you and i'll say it before everybody. you're the perfect person to be the executive director of united players. what's up player i appreciate them and thank you for the kind words. you know i love taking on that title. god gave me united real players. and

in my book, man, that's what you is player. so can i take a picture of you real quick? it cost you $5. man i, i need the money right here on three, one, two. look at you smiling like bullwinkle. i love you, homie. for sure. oh, brother number nine. thank you guys so much for having us. and we got to go pick up the kids. yes. and hold on, rudy. you don't you don't get to walk away that easy. oh. where i'm from we say what's understood doesn't have to be said. that's right. but there's been so much that has been said about you and the work and what you guys stand for here today. and i also just wanted to acknowledge, you know, as someone who migrated here to san francisco, you know, rudy opened up his arms to me and said, as long as you're about doing the work in our communities, we got you. and i really just wanted to share with folks. i was actually looking up. tomorrow we have a peace rally that's actually

taking place at thurgood marshall academic high school. and this is the third year that that we've been doing it. and just doing it alongside other folks who are doing the work. so i wanted to lift up dame and what he's doing at us for us. corey monroe, valencia, raymond, john henry, folks that are going in and talking. that's right. talking, talking to our young folks and toriano what he's been doing with the war against guns march. you know, there are things that are going on. and as long as i'm in this role, you know, rudy, i want to make sure that we utilize this platform to highlight what we know is going on in our communities, straight up and down. besides all the negative attention the media has given, work that's being done, there's real work and life changing that's being done here in san francisco, and you're a part of that. i just want to say thank you. thank you'd. i appreciate it, man. respect to you guys. and i would say there's something in the hetch hetchy water because we are san franciscans and i don't know if people have seen the film called gotham the fall and rise of new york city. so it was screening,

and the people who organized the event wanted to see if there were lessons to be learned that we could bring to san francisco, to bring it back to its vibrancy. so i told this woman, you know, i said, i want it to be like when i grew up. and she said, well, we're not here for nostalgia. but you know what? people should feel safe. people should be able to go to any neighborhood and someone shouts out to you, asks about your mom and dad, your grandparents, your siblings. that's the kind of san francisco i want back for the kids to be able to grow up and feel a part of a large community, you know? and i'm not going to get all political because i can't because we're in the people's house. but, you know, district elections sort of started fragmenting our city. we are one big city. we're one big family, and we embrace newcomers, people who want to relocate and live here. it's an expensive place. so we got to be a community, helping one another. so thank you for what you do. and thank you for bringing everett. jason, just, you know, just all the work that you do and hopefully step at a

time. we change, you know, the paradigm of what's going on here in our city because we can do i. it's san francisco. that's right. thank you julie. thanks for having us. god bless you all. thank you. so do we have any public comments for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line? item three presentation by rudy corpus. please approach the podium when it is free. mr. phi. have a good day guys. okay, sorry, i've been here only 20 years, so it's true they beat me, but okay. the only problem we have here is that you seem to still be confused between reality and fiction. you see, it's like a movie. like so hollywood. you are fine. but we are not in a fiction anymore. everybody. now i'm here to inform you that everybody is under arrest. you warned me last time. i think the charge is violation of the eternal rules of existence. for too long, no

matter the miseducation you received. and we are all the victim of it. i'm under arrest too. but i know why i'm telling you now. because you can bail yourself out. children are under attack. different ways. no escape. you can't bail yourself out. first off, of course, if you kill somebody, it's over. it's valid for everybody in the world. if you contributed to affect children's health. walking on eggs here, you don't tell kids to wear masks. first of all, sorry it is not allowed to inject anything in anybody's body, especially children. so what's going on? you need to raise the level of thinking it goes through responsibility and critical thinking to change

things. it's coming step by step. i'll speak again. thank you. good afternoon y'all. one of my favorite days of the month. again appreciate you guys. excuse me. sorry. appreciate you guys again. coming to nlds for that town hall speaking with you guys again. the opportunity most one of the most important, you know, conversations we can have obviously is where we bridge that gap between community and the work. you guys do. so much appreciated. from the latino task force. and i just wanted to add, you know, i had to let rudy know before he left, kind of some of the things i was going to say. but, you know, we've had gun violence impact us down from my grandfather. you know, that's how he passed away. my father's generation, our generation, you know, me being a victim of violence as well. so just the work that he does is just so impactful. and during times of crisis, rudy was definitely one of the phone calls that we made.

so yeah, just wanted to highlight just really how important rudy is. how big you up is mischa just the whole organization. just wanted to add to that. thank you guys. and next agenda item calling line item four. inspector general report informational item inspector general terry riley will report on the monthly activities of the office of the inspector general, including police, fire, sheriff, memorial, mass, county jail, food inspection, mission district, town hall, meeting and end of the year findings and recommendations to be discussed at a future meeting. all right. well, that, of course, is a very tough act to follow. you know, listening to rudy and the united players and the impact that they've had, it was it was interesting that when he started

off, he said they were it began at balboa high school. and for those who don't know me, i've got seven brothers, four sisters and all my older siblings, all graduated from balboa high school in the 1960s. and i think some of the issues that were going on when rudy was at balboa in 1994 was were going on back in the 1960s to so but with that said, it's a pleasure to be here today, and i in my report, i'll be sharing some of the things that we've done in the month of september with the inspector general's office. and as i was saying, as it was said, where it began with us paying our respects to police, fire, sheriff at the annual memorial

mass on the morning of september 8th, president sue and i attended the 76th annual san francisco police, fire and sheriff memorial mass at saint cecilia church to honor public safety officers who passed away this year. it was a very solemn reminder of the dangers that are inherent in public safety work and the ultimate sacrifice many first responders make to protect others, you know, and while the role of the inspector general's office is to sometimes be critical of law enforcement agencies, you know, our aim is always to improve the san francisco sheriff's department, and it does not diminish the respect that i personally hold for the brave individuals who keep our city safe. but that was

a great memorial and a very moving memorial. and i don't know, i felt the same way that day. i had similar feelings listening to rudy talk about the united players and the lives that they've saved and at that memorial, you know, there are a lot of first responders who put their lives on the line every day. so both very emotional events, you know, we've also part of our role is we go and inspect the county jail and one of the things that we did notice is that with each inspection and having an opportunity to talk to the inmates, they all complained about the food. so we thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to go. actually taste it ourselves and

see, okay, what is everybody complaining about? and so we went to the san francisco county jail and, and shared a meal, the same food that the inmates eat on a daily basis. and i'll tell you what, what we found, i actually was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the food. now, you know, it could probably use a little seasoning, i think. i'm not going to say that it doesn't need some seasoning, but the quality of the food surprised me and it included a fresh salad. the chicken was dry. it needed a little seasoning, but it was it was, it was, it was. it was very

edible. the carrots and the beans and the baked cornbread. the baker that they currently have at the jail is not doing a bad job at all. so, you know, i have to be honest that, you know, i hear the complaints. and then when i went and actually ate the food, i was i was surprised it was better than i thought it was going to be. and so we really looked at three things when we looked at the food. one, i really wanted to see what is the level of food safety. and when i talk about food safety, i think it's paramount that the that the food is being prepared in a clean environment. and, and so we took a tour of the kitchen. i was impressed by the cleanliness of the kitchen, the meticulous attention that was given to the

food storage. they took us to four different storage areas of the food and all of the food had expiration dates. so there was really close attention paid to the expiration of the food. and there were real you could you could see that there were strict precautions being taken to avoid contamination of the food. so i thought the food safety was was at a very high level. then we looked at the nutrition, the nutritional value, and it all had the kind of nutrition that you would that i think one the law requires. but that you would generally expect for the inmates to receive and the taste and overall appeal. again, the chicken was dry and could probably use a little seasoning,

but but but very edible. the carrots were fine. the cornbread was great. the salad. i'll tell you what the salad showed the salad showed that. and i think this goes for san francisco. and anywhere where they're serving food, that fresh food can make a big difference in the quality of the meal. so i will i was, you know, i'd always like to see as, as much fresh food served to the inmates as, as as we could ever make available. but i thought that the meal met all of the nutritional value, the quality and the safety that it was being prepared with. and so i was and i also was impressed with the transparency because when we walked into the kitchen, you

could look on the faces of the inmates that were preparing the food that they did not know. we were coming because i could see the surprise on their face. and i was very, very impressed with their dedication and the professionalism with which they were doing their job. so overal, i was i would say that, you know, i would give the sheriff's department high marks and again, that's that's not a comment on on the taste of the food, but in every other aspect, i would give them high marks. and i also want to express my gratitude to deputy chief quantico and the staff and the inmates staff of the kitchen, because they really took us around and showed us everything. so it was very encouraging to see. and they were all very professional. the other thing we did of note was

we had our meeting with the latino task force in the mission district. we had a mission district town hall meeting on september 13th, and that town hall meeting in the mission district was a very moving, passionate meeting. you know, i want to thank joanna hernandez, who set who helped us set the town hall up. and, you know, anyone who knows joanna hernandez, she's very passionate about the latino task force, and she's passionate about everything she does. and so we do want to express our appreciation for her helping us set it up. the discussion with the latino task force was, was intense. and what i really liked about it was that, you know, you

don't really understand what the needs of, of a particular community or group is unless they let you know. and, and the latino task force, let us know what what issues they had were they wanted to would like to see improvement in the system. it was just a very, very good back and forth. they let us know what their frustrations and their fears were with the system and i thought we had a very, very healthy exchange in, in the meeting. and they also had recommendations and to the point where we want to do some follow

up with the latino task force, because we thought some of the suggestions were very, very good suggestions. and, you know, we want to talk more about it because we also think that some of the some of the suggestions that they made that by working together with the sheriff's department would, would be helpful to everyone. it would be helpful to the sheriff's department, and it would be helpful to the people who rely on the services of the sheriff's department. so, you know, i know also that board member mango guava, mango had suggested that one of the things they do in los angeles is they do a report card of the entities that they

conduct the oversight over. and that was one of the suggestions that came up at the latino task force meeting. and so we're definitely, definitely going to be having some more discussions about putting together a report card type of, you know, i don't know if we want to call it a program or our attempt at reforms or any reforms that we're attempting to make that we do it in sort of a report card or have a report card to, you know, meet some of the goals that we're setting and, and then have a report card on on how we've done meeting those reforms that we're attempting. so i would say that the meeting at the with the latino latino task force was it was a very powerful meeting. i came away. very, very

moved by the whole experience. and they you know, this month is latino heritage month. and i went to the latino heritage event here at city hall and it was the first time that i had saw members of the latino task force since that meeting. and, you know, when i left the meeting, i couldn't tell if they were happy with me or angry with me. but when i saw them at the latino heritage event, i got so much love from them and how much they loved the. meeting that we had had. and so it was great. i was really surprised and, and very, very happy with the with the welcoming hugs that i received from everyone. so yeah, but we will definitely be following up with the latino

fast task force. and i would end my report and it's more addressed to the board that i'd like to propose that we at some point sit down and discuss how best to present the overall findings of the inspector general for the past year and establish some recommendations that we can follow in terms of setting reasonable goals and assess the implementation of those goals and evaluate and approve improvements in the future. you know, i think that given our limited resources that we've had to work with in 2024, and they're not going to probably not going to improve that much in 2025, i think it's important that we focus our discussions on the efforts that we want to focus our, our, our

future efforts on where we can have the greatest impact as an agency. and so i look forward to us having that discussion to see how we can move forward. thank you. thank you. i actually have a suggestion for future town hall meetings. i understand the next town hall meeting that we're going to have is going to be focused on pacific islander community. is that still. yes, that's my understanding. right. another major population that is involved and impacted by the criminal justice system here in san francisco. i think it would be really important that we have we have a very diverse board here. and the reason is because we come from different communities with different cultures. and i think we should utilize the resources that we have here and have people that are from those communities lead

those kinds of town halls. so for example, the perfect person for the next one to be the leader would be commissioner. commissioner monga. right. she is part of the community. she knows the community. there was a lot of concern with the language. there was a lot of disrespectful things that happened at the town hall where i know that you have sanitized it by saying it was intense, but i had to apologize at some point to the latino community, and they accepted the apology and they had to tell us to stop, you know, specific people, to stop talking and to listen to them because they've heard the resume 5 million times. they're not. the point was not to talk about, you know, there's like ourselves. it was to listen from community and particular statements were incredibly, i think, racist. right. straight up i think we need to maximize how we present to community by having the people that are of

the community, that know the culture that understand language and implications and would be able to. i think, really open the door to having a powerful exchange that is respectful. yeah. you know, i would say, you know, commissioner carreon, i and i appreciate that you were at the. that town hall and i, you know, and i would say that you know, your presence was a powerful presence. i mean, there's just no doubt about it. and that you you're understanding of the latino community. was was very, very clear and i don't disagree with you. i think that commissioner

mango is the perfect person to lead that that next. town hall. but i also think that you know, among all of us, we're all there and we're all trying to do the right thing, and we're all trying to listen to. i see it as a this is an opportunity to learn a lesson. yes. that's what i see it as. yeah, i, i'm not here to cast stones. i'm here giving a proactive solution for the future because i think we learned a lesson. and it's wonderful that we did. and you have gone out of your way to, like, mend those relationships. and you see that result with the warm welcome and all of those things. so you've done the work and i appreciate the i am grateful for you to do that. i just think we learned a lesson that i think is very important in this town hall. and my suggestion is moving forward. this is how we may want to approach it. and, you know,

maybe we just need to plan a little bit more for the town hall. that's all. yeah, i think it was an excellent meeting overall. i think we got so much concrete suggestions. we got ideas. we were able to listen. we were also pushed back. and that's a good thing. we need community to push back and say, wait, wait, wait wait wait, stop. we want you to listen to. and that was a wonderful thing. so i say those not to necessarily critique, but to provide a forward thinking solution. yeah. so oh sorry. go ahead go ahead, go ahead. i was just going to say i appreciate the leadership. but also i want to point out this is san francisco. so even if we have a particular community quote unquote representative based on ethnicity or whatever, that is not necessarily the spokesperson

for the entire community. like i would look to vice president brewster. he's not asian, but i know that he's very close to the asian community. so i just want to say that the allies come from different communities. and i would say that to the community, when we do have the town halls, i felt cut off at times and i wanted to speak, and i will push back. i'm not the stereotypical quiet asian woman, but i'm trying to answer a question and it's easy for to lose a train of thought. and when someone talked asked about the arraignments, i want to say there are possible creative solutions based on our visit to ke three and wondering if we could have arraignments at the jails to alleviate the short staffing and the time. so i also want to it's also an honest time to actually correct misperceptions, things that get in the media. so i will push back and then, you know, when they talk, when they talk about when they talk about communities

that are silenced, it's not just one particular community. and so i needed to turn to board member mango to talk about the pacific islander community. that's way overrepresented in the jails. that doesn't get media attentio. and that is vastly disproportionate to the population here. so i want to look at all of san francisco, and it's not necessarily siloed. we had a full year where we didn't have successful town halls. and that's why i said we need to go to the community, have them organize it, have it in a set, a set place. i also want to raise and i didn't get to acknowledge the passing of ted fang, who founded the community garden. so when we're talking about fresh food for the community, the florence fang community garden in the bayview that's garnered national attention and wants to be replicated. this is san francisco, where we are crossing communities. so i don't want to be so siloed. and, you know,

when i mentioned that some members of the community task force, when i told them that valerie tulley has known me since i was a kid, that kind of made them push pull back a little bit and not be on the attack mode because valerie is kind of like the godmother of people. so i am about relationships, about san francisco. not so much, particularly with ethnicity. and though i'm ethnically chinese-american, i can't say i speak for all chinese americans in the city. and so we do have connections. we have cross connections in different communities for those of us who, you know, frankly, grew up here and i guess really quick, i just want need to respond because i think i want to make it very clear allies do not say disrespectful statements or discriminatory statements or racist statements. that's not a definition of an ally. my point is that we shouldn't be spokesman for people. i think that our spokespersons for a community based on who we are, as me, as a queer woman, as a

latina person, as someone that comes from a different experience. we all have different experiences. we all are who we are. i am not a spokesperson for the all of the communities that i physically, culturally represent, but what i do know is that i'm not going to be disrespectful to community and not listen to them to the point that they have to tell you several times to listen to listen, to listen, and to ask that a community member, a community member meeting, be led by the community. they had to say that several times it was out of line. and the thing is, i'm not done. i'm not done. i think this is a learning opportunity. i came here, i didn't mention names. i didn't mention comments. i gave a forward thinking solution. i said it was an excellent meeting. i heard its lessons

learned. what i haven't heard from you is an apology to the latino community. and maybe you don't think that, but that could be because maybe you're not the ally that you think you are. and you know, there's tons of different folks that can be a resource to you if you don't want to engage in me because, you know, you may have conflict or you don't like me or whatever, it doesn't matter. there's leaders. we have leader right here. we have a leader throughout. there are different ways that that should have gone. so i'm not here to say that we are to be spokespersons. i think we need to use the resources that we have here and for all it could be one of us is not available, you know, like we don't have to be we don't have to tag each other to it. so that's my main issue. it's unfortunate that again, the community specifically asked you to not be defensive. and yet here we are. so please take this as a learning experience. that's all i'm saying. and then in the

future we can go i appreciate you member. carry on. i want to make sure we didn't over promise and i also wanted to let them know step by step what we're going to do. i have come up with agendas for the entire year or our benchmarks, and i expect to speak with the inspector general on past commissions, how we've actually come up with things like a report card based on community feedback. we have, what might be our short term goals, our long term goals, goals. and then we also meet things. now i just want to say that every person here is an integral part. and so i want people to be self-reflective and introspective, to think about how much they actually put into this board. and so, you know, we're all busy people and that's understandable. but if you cannot commit to a board, if you minimally to attend the meeting,

but to actually do the work, then you also have to think about the community at large and whether or not you can fulfill your duties. i don't think that's the point. yeah, i think we're getting a little bit off track as far as i'm kind of concerned. and it's i think it's okay to have healthy dialog, which we're having right now, but i hope, at least for me, what i heard and what i hear as a member who lives in community and works in community, is just being vigilant, being able to leverage the relationships that folks may have in those areas to make things run a little bit more smooth. i mean, i've been doing community work now for 13 years, and it doesn't matter what type of agenda, nine out of ten times is necessarily put together. sometimes we can we can tell how a meeting is going to go based off of questions that are being asked, and it might get a little derailed, but having individuals who are there that have respect from elders and respect from folks in those communities can sometimes help deescalate things. so i'm happy

on both sides that we're doing more, because i think about the first town halls where we had two people who were in the audience or town halls where we had nobody in the audience. so, you know, now that we're having folks come out making sure that it is a space and a place for community to share whatever it is that they do want to share. and we're human beings, and we have an opportunity and right to also get defensive at times when things are being shared. and i wasn't allowed to be there. and the only thing i did want to add to what member carreon was saying is, is definitely making sure that we get things posted much quicker for members of the public, just so we can have we can have the majority of members who do want to attend, because i know we never want to. you know, i think by default, i mean, this is what i've always insisted on by default, we should post things because i don't want to be the one to pick and choose or exclude somebody. so we did have another unexpected member, and we actually, you know, set far

apart. we didn't discuss any business. i mean, that's the whole point. but i think that it's just really important for everyone to attend whatever they can attend. absolutely. and i think, you know, also us not having to think about if we are violating an act would make it a little bit easier. so i just agree, as much as we can not to give dan more work to just get things posted as early as we can. like once we know you know what's taking place. but i definitely, absolutely agree. i think every single member here probably has access to a different area of the city, or has relationships in one district more so than in the other. so being able to really leverage folks relationships, i think is what i was really is what i was hearing. and i think it's a great idea that does allow and relieve some take some stuff off of other folks plates. right. it's not an easy feat to run or be the president of any board or commission. and so when we can go to different districts

where folks have relationships allowing that individual to lean in a little bit more, i think can alleviate some of that. but yeah, i'm looking forward to the to the next town hall. it was interesting enough. i literally was sharing with member amanda. i was like, oh, we should do one. and then we're doing one. yes. yeah. and then and then i think, you know, reverend amos brown, he did a beautiful service for ted fang and his family. so i am thinking that maybe the third baptist church might be a good place to host the next meeting. yeah. you know, i just want to say one thing because i don't want this to go unsaid. that because it's this. it's really my fault. because commissioner carreon, you know, the you had to be. you'd have to be blind not to see that as soon as you started talking, you could see the

connection with you and the latino task force, and you zeroed right in. i love my people. yeah. and you could see it. you could see that you zeroed right in on the issues and, and i we really appreciate that because i thought that you took it, took it, it could have gone off the rails and you brought it right back on, on track. and but i also just want to end by saying that one of the things out of all the town halls we've done, i enjoyed that one the most because of the pushback, because they gave serious pushback. and i was lik, okay, i'm loving this. yes, because they had great suggestions. they gave a lot of pushback. and sometimes, you know, we like to think things are going great. and you know, that town hall said, well, okay, wait a minute, we got some work

to do with this particular community. so that's why i enjoyed it so much, because i walked away feeling like, okay, there are things we need to do that can make us have a stronger presence in the community and a more productive presence in the community. so yes, i do. yeah, we will be better. yeah, yeah. and i and i think that will that that is going to make us a stronger group in the community by what we learn that that day. so. yeah. that's good. we learned something. yes. blessings before blessings i always say i want to talk about the food. i think i'm out of people on this panel. i'm a connoisseur of jail, food, prison food. and so i was

pleasantly surprised to hear my brother say that it wasn't bad. i guess it's an acquired taste. i acquired it and then lost it, you know? but i've seen people make magic out of prison food, so what i want to say about the food in prison, in jail, particularly the sheriff's department, knows that i've, i've raised issue with it being on the san francisco jail. justice coalition. i'm fairly new, but i am a now. i've given up soul food for neo soul food. and what i mean by that is even when it looks good and it tastes good, it may not be good for yo. i don't go to mcdonald's. i don't go to taco bell, not because it doesn't taste good. and i don't remember my

childhood. i just know what's in the food. i know that the food that we are served as americans is not served by the same corporations around the world. there are poisons, toxins, killers in some of the food that we sell in our stores. i'm not saying that's what they sell, that they serve in jail. i'm just saying that i know what's in american food. if you look at the stickers when you go to the store and it doesn't have a nine on it, it's poison. if it has a 4 or 3, a six, a eight, when it starts with those numbers, there's something wrong with it. you shouldn't eat it. that's my that's my opinion. that's my opinion. the nines are good, right? so what i'm saying, when it comes to the food and jail, which the sheriff's department knows that i'm an advocate of changing the vendor and what's being served. these people are captive audience. they don't get

a chance to go outside of their front door and go buy their food. so they are relying on us to give them healthy choices, whether they like the taste of it or not. and trust me, it does need seasoning. i wish i could have had some hot sauce and some seasoned salt while i was there, but hey, so what i have learned is that healthier choices, especially in the canteen, you have so much processed, sugary foods for them to and let me say, i'm the last person to say don't eat no sugar. i've just recently pretty much tried to cut that complete out of my diet. sugar is one molecule away from being cocaine. if you didn't know one molecule from being cocaine. and we all know what cocaine is, right? so the food that they even have in their choice of buying,

spending, their family's hard earned money on, it's not good. and we need healthier choices. and you'd be surprised what isn't good food that we intake on a daily basis. so i'm not saying that what you ate wasn't good or that it wasn't served properly, or the kitchen wasn't clean and all of that, i. i agree that those those things probably were true. what i want to focus on is when we are detaining people, until we are able to prove if they're innocent or guilty, we should be as concerned about their health as we are about a newborn baby. right? because they're in our care. they're in our care. they cannot do for themselves. and no matter what you feel about people that are in jail or even in prison after that point, they do not deserve to die by food. they're not sentenced to die by food. there's nowhere in the law

you can correct me if i'm wrong. i'm on a panel with some attorneys. there's nowhere in the law that you are sentenced to die by what you are served in captivity. so i don't want to belabor this, but i really want to put it on the minds of the board in the, in the in the sheriff's office and in the jai, that what is being served in there is high in carbohydrates, which is not good for the body, what's being served in there? and no offense to anybody that likes white rice, but the best rice is black or wild. it's natural. it's better for you. the salad, which i try to eat as much as possible. when i was in there, is not at the levels of which it should be. the i know we love some of our beans. i love some refried beans, but that is not the most healthiest protein that you can serve someone incarcerated. and i can go on and on and on and on. we

won't even mention the desserts, the cookies. we won't even mention you know, the beverages that are powder chemicals that you mix with water. we should just take a look. i know some vendors. i know some people who are willing and ready to serve a healthy diet that not only meet, but exceeds the standard in which it's set for what's inside of jail. and i hope that we can take this serious and really look deep into it and make the changes that is necessary. so, member palmer, i'm going to have you work on the food thing. i saw you chuckle as inspector whitely was making the report, and i just kind of could figure out what you were thinking like. and i thought to terry like it was okay. it was actually pleasantly good. and i'm thinking, but would you want to eat it day after day after day? and then you're reaching out to me when you're, like, white rice. well, i don't always eat

white rice. but you know what? white rice is actually healthier than brown rice because the chemicals are are on the on the husk is washed away as opposed to brown rice. so the point is, and i'm going to go back to my resume because i'm an asian woman and people don't believe me. if i don't say it. but i served on the hospital board at saint francis memorial hospital for nine years as a fiduciary trustee. so we also had our foundation and community events or community funding to like, redo boedecker park in the tenderloin and then to talk about food and nutrition. so as i was hearing more about the food, i thought about a cal graduate, and she has done an application where they're able to take excess food, fresh fruits and vegetables, and parcel it to institutions. i mean, if we visit our hospitals anywhere, institutional settings in our nation, we serve the crappiest food. no wonder people feel horrible after surgery

because they're fed like apple juice. and all this sugar. it doesn't make any sense. we have an epidemic of obesity, not just in our country, but around the world. you know, it doesn't help to tax sodas a little bit more. but kids should not be fed sugary drinks. people whose genetic genetic makeup, you know, that predisposes them to particular conditions should not be having all this processed food. the filler and the soy. and it's poison. the eu is a whole lot smarter. cosmetics and food. they've banned particular substances. but and the american companies cannot sell it with those substances. so our companies know what to do. they just don't do it here. and you know, part of it maybe is the politics. you know, people want to get reelected, so they don't want to stand up to these manufacturers. but people need to eat organic food. but even the organic label, there's a whole lot of leeway. and that's

why i'm really proud of that community garden in the bayview. and that's what we should be leading more, you know, gardens and schools. and then the whole parcel of land, you know, this is something to think about with ck three. again, it's funding. but i think overall when people think about health, it actually saves money in the long run. if you keep people healthy, we're going to spend less money on health care as a as a society. so speaking of that, i'm sorry. and speaking of that, there is a direct correlation between food and mental health as well. when you give cocoa puffs and whatever cereal to your child and then send them to a school building to sit in a chair for umpteen hours, you think he's not going to be bounced or she's not going to be bouncing off the walls like we can go on forever. but i want to say that our food

can be a healing source as well. and the food that's being served to captive audiences are not healing. you don't have a better chance at representing yourself in a court of law when your mind is not being fed what it needs to be fed, so that you can be sharp and focused. i did not release myself from prison, nor jail this last past time because i was not healthy, i was sharp, i knew, i knew how to fast, i knew what to eat. i knew what to do. even in the limited resources that they gave me. i want to really express that i lost my train of thought for a second, but i really want to express that the food, the food revolution is real and i can't present anything this coming week. this coming month in our next session. but i would like to be put on the agenda that, if not myself, if i if i'm depending on the rules to be

able to afford someone to come in and, and present what food really is and i want, oh, this is what i want to say to i went in this last time i spent five months in. right. we all know what that was. i went in at around 190 pounds. i was actively in the gym. i was actively on my diet. i'm very healthy and conscious. that's pretty much evident. probably you could see when i got out, i was over 25 pounds heavier than i went in this was. this is including exercising on a regular and daily basis. and once i returned to my original and diet for my body and my melanin content, i lost 20 pounds in about 14, 15, 16, 18 days. like that's how quickly i shed it. what i gained in five months. and so it just goes to show what you intake will also

determine the outcome of what you do in life. inspector general, you had a follow up. yeah i would just end by saying that. so what we did is, is after, you know, we tasted the food and i felt that the, the best dish on, on the, on the plate was the fresh salad, which just kind of reiterated our feeling that if there is a way that we can incorporate more fresh foods into the diet, diets of the inmates, it would make a big difference. so we inquired as to when is the contract up? and so the sheriff's department is currently in, in in a one year contract with aramark. and while they're in the while they're in the midst of that contract, one of the things that we would like to do is research,

just as commissioner palmer just stated, what are some of the fresh food options that are out there that that when they come up for the new contract that the city and county of san francisco should maybe take a look at of incorporating into the diets of the inmates. and so we're, we're we're going to be actively working on that. and we would welcome commissioner palmer's input in that process. so it will be ongoing. it wasn't meant like we're going to do one presentation because we haven't even delved into health. i had this whole, you know, how i've been harping like, we need someone from the department of public health. so i will be working with chief ju and twisting arms, and you need to appear before us because we want to talk about the overall spectrum of health that also, like you said, talks about behavior, outlook and food makes a difference. i mean, i did stories on astronauts. i mean, your mental health is not good

when you can't get the food that you want. and, you know, most of our neighborhoods and vice president brookshire knows this right in our most underserved neighborhoods, we have food deserts. so it makes a difference if we at least have community gardens more focused on on fresh fruits and vegetables. so i'm sorry, vice president burger. no, you're okay. i just wanted to say thank you to william for making sure that we did speak on that in terms of the inspector general bringing it up. and i do hope that we take it seriously. the fact that there have been complaints, regardless if we're tasting the food, we're trying the food, we're cooking it ourselves. if it's being complained about by a group of individuals, it should be something that we take seriously. i just want to make sure it's on on our agenda, or at least on the inspector's report. you know, as we continue to move forward, i also want to say thank you to the ig. my niece is in fourth grade, and i don't even want to taste cafeteria food. i just think that our palates have changed

and developed over time. so being able to talk to individuals that have lived experience and the folks that that we are, that are in our care just make sure that that we are listening. and i think to president sue's point, as we look at overall health, looking just at food is something specific that we can do and begin to take immediate action on while we're looking at the overall health. so i just want to make sure we highlighted that and really push member palmer, you know, forward in terms of, you know, looking into this for us, good food doesn't have to be more expensive. it's not our ethnic markets. things are less expensive. it's fresher than if you went to your chain stores. and i want to just add to that. changing the menu will save the sheriff's department's budget because you will spend less on medication. you would spend less on emergency alarms because people are going to be less violent. i'm not saying this to say like, i'm just saying this

like it's a it's scientifically fact. if we change the diet of the people inside, they will change their behavior as well. and there is a correlation with high blood pressure, weight gain, sugar, diabetes. i can go on inside institutions, not just san francisco jail, but inside the institutions of america, period. and in my last point is, if you looked at the trash can, it's filled with food. that's being wasted in the jail. so if we can stop wasting food, if we can stop having to use medication outside of the food, if we can stop there having to be other things that happen because of the food that's causing, we're going to save money for the sheriff's department. you know, we could spend that money on something else. more of this, more of that. and so, yeah, i look forward to and vice president, i don't know if you remember during our visit, what was kind of shocking is that some of the people at that same who were

talking about the special diets, they were on, so those who are diabetic or had special dietary needs, they saw the same kind of food. but then the chicken was cut up into extra pieces, and it's not the protein that's causing the diabetic problem. it'd be the carbohydrates and all that other stuff. so that was eliminated. but they said there was no reason to. i guess, mutilate. maybe it's too strong of a word. the piece of chicken to serve, to be served to those who are on diabetic diets. so. and i said, well, maybe that was their way of marking the particular food, but they could have little toothpicks with little flag or something, or different colored tray to serve it on. so that was even, i think, more disheartening to find that someone who's on a special dietary need got even more inferior food. i believe there's a person that wants to do public comment. yes they have. i have some questions i'd like to ask the inspector general about his presentation, if i may, before we take public

comment. okay. thank you for the presentation. you know, you mentioned that the food met all nutritional values. what nutritional values were you referring to? well, you know, i assume that the law requires that if you're serving, whether you're in a hospital or a jail, that there's certain nutritional goals that the that the, the food is supposed to meet. and there was nothing. and now, of course, i didn't have a chart in front of me or anything of that nature, but it had all of the different food groups and the assumption is that it met the nutritional value that's required by law. okay. thank you for clarifying that. i was in here last meeting. so i watched, but i watched your excellent presentation. it seems like you've done a lot of outreach in the jails and identified a lot

of issues in the community meetings and the jails. i think the board would benefit from you making written reports to us, identifying what those issues are, so we can know what progress you make on them, which ones we might want you to focus on, because only a limited number of people accompanied you on that visit, a limited number of people are at the community meetings. i think those that's information that should be in writing that we should have. we'll have a record of it and i applaud you for doing that. but i, i think we'd really benefit from a written record. yes. so what we talked about as an organization, what would be the most effective way to, as a new agency, what would be the most effective way to communicate the progress of the agency to both the board but also the communit. and so we decided that a newsletter would be a good way

to communicate what's going on with the inspector general's office. and so and i and i appreciate you requiring or asking us to do a written report, but i also assume that you've been reading the newsletter that i have read every issue. and if you look at if you read the newsletter, the newsletter gives you a pretty comprehensive report of what we've actually been doing, including photographs and everything that the inspector general's office has been doing in terms of outreach, the inspections of the jails. and we've also been reporting both the positive and the negative in those newsletters. so we haven't really put out like a formal written report because we think for purposes of the public, we

don't think that they'd really consume that and that we're trying to put the reporting of the agency in the form that is a comprehensive communication to both the board, but more importantly, to the community, because, you know, at the end of the day, it is the community that the, the, the inspector general's office was created to conduct oversight of the sheriff's department on behalf of the community. and so i think it's just it's important that the medium that we choose to communicate to the community, to the community, at least at the beginning of this new agency, that it be in a form that they're going to consume. and we just think that if i'm a community member, if i'm a community member, i am much more likely to want to read a newsletter than a than a three page written report. but we have no opposition to also putting

that in the form of a written report to the board. so i was going to say it was also the brainchild of a member of mango, and she also worked a lot on our annual report from last year so that it's more digestible and so that the public can actually comment and engage our board, and we can gauge how we're doing. so the newsletters really serve as the ongoing report card. and so i would really want people to focus because i called things from the newsletter. but most of the time, i mean, i'm always in constant contact with the inspector general. and that's how we kind of come up with our quarterly reports. but down the road we may have something more formal, but down the road, you know, we will have an annual report and i don't want to comment on whatever interim recommendations there are unless it's adopted by the full board, and that we are

looking at a full report card going on a dashboard. so will the next report include all the specifics of the issues that were raised at the recent town hall meeting? we can't put one together. well, the yes, we can do that if that is what the board is requesting. but we will also we can be more specific in terms of some of the issues that were raised at the town hall. i think it would be very helpful. you mentioned that we decided the best way to communicate this would be through the newsletter. when you say we who you were, were you referring to myself and my staff, which is dan, which is what dan no, dan and marshall kind. we sit down and discuss, well, you know, what is the best

format and we also looked at the suggestion that was made by board member mango. but, you know, i also am not a neophyte in this business. and i bring 33 years of experience within the criminal justice system. so i'm a big part of that decision. okay, so i'd like to comment too. i think the newsletter is a very easy to read. and, you know, there's different mediums where you can convey that information. there's a text message, speak, email, speak, professional speak, and to convey the information that you do with the newsletter. i think the community is very receptive to it. i've read it. i think it's great. yeah. and the feedback that we've gotten from the community has been just very, very good. a very good response from the community. and i've also personally given

feedback. i don't want the inspector general to spend more time doing reporting where he can be out in the community. and if i ever need anything formal, he'll hear from me sometimes at 10 or 11 at night. yes. well, i would like to see more specificity in written form rather than just saying it here, because i think that creates a record and the newsletter is good, but i think it's primarily public facing and, you know, i think this board needs to know a little more about the details of the issues you're hearing about when you go to the jail, so we can evaluate which ones we want to focus on. i think because you're acting as our eyes and ears when you go there and we have a somewhat different interests than just the general public. and i will push back a little bit on that, because i think that what we are hearing on our jail visits have been exactly what we've been responding to. as i've said on

every visit, inmates complained about the food. so we went and tasted the food. on another visit, inmates complained about the bedding. we took that up with the sheriff's department and the sheriff's department, pulled all the blankets in the jail and washed them. the next day. so we are specifically reporting to you everything that we are observing and taking in in our jail visits. and i would say that some of the things are resolved almost immediately. so i think it would take longer to write up particular reports. and that's why when i even say that there was a general consensus that things were handled, that means that i'm not hearing from chief zhou or people were not bombarding his office because once a community concern was raised, chief zhou, the inspector general, will take care of it right away. so i'm

confident that along the way, things get taken care of there. you know, there are longer issues and deeper issues that we're going to delve in. you know, the health issue and then later on policy, use of force, that kind of thing. but on some of these day to day things, when we did the visit, there was one gentleman he needed language assistance, and he had a deep concern. so the inspector general had the deputy who could serve as an interpreter. they went to the side and had one of the investigators take down his information, do notation, and then do follow up. so that's the kind of thing that we were looking for and hoping how an inspector general would handle things. so i'm i'm pleased with it. and turn it over to you, vice president. no. and i'll be very brief, because i know we have members of the public that want to speak because i actually am okay. i think with a report, i think maybe what we do is agendize an opportunity and time to talk about the ig's report,

because i think something that maybe comes out quarterly, that's a deep dive that responds. i don't think it needs to be every single meeting, but, you know, something that's quarterly or maybe bi monthly. i'm even thinking about me and my role. i have to report to my board bi monthly with an actual written report, speaking specifically to matters of the board. right. so and i think it would be a matter of teasing out what is in the newsletter. that's just more pertaining to qualms and challenges that we hear at the board that we feel like we can face. so i think we can i would i would be absolutely for that and probably something we can agendize, which is why i agree with that. i'm not opposed to us presenting a report at all. we have to do it in the annual. so yeah, i would have you work more. i think you should give us quarterly written reports, which will be incorporated verbatim into our quarterly reports, because you should be able to speak in your own voice and not be filtered through the board, because the independence of an inspector general is really one of its

most important qualities. so you've jumped into it and you've looked at things and made some recommendations, and i think those should go into our quarterly reports, as you have seen them and spoken about them. i do have a couple of other questions. at what at what point will you be deciding whether you'll accept the judgeship in alameda county? probably at the end of the year, i'd make a decision on that. but, you know, i don't know if it's relevant to the meeting right now. so if we can, when is the deadline for that? well, yeah. i don't know if this is the appropriate venue to have those. it's not on the agenda. if you're going to be leaving, i think we should know in the community. remember, i just want to focus on this one particular area that we have, the inspector general report. and then we do have a very

patient member of the public wanting to speak. so i'm going to recognize her. well, i do have another question. i wanted to go to your report last month. congratulations on getting the accreditation from the association of inspector general. glad you're reaching out to other professional organizations. just want to ask, when you and i met in january, i gave you name and contact information for many people in the oversight community. have you contacted any of them? i've had a few meetings scheduled and for example, i had a meeting scheduled with the sheriff of new orleans. pardon me, new orleans, new orleans. and the day that we were supposed to have the meeting, i think there was a hurricane or something in new orleans, and she wasn't able to make it. we then rescheduled that meeting, and then at the very next meeting, something else came up and she wasn't able to make that second meeting. and so i've made attempts. but, you

know, i've also met with the current president of naco, and we've had a long discussion on oversight and his personal experiences with oversight. other than susan hutson, the sheriff of new orleans, have you attempted to contact any of the other people on that list really quick, or do you also mind can you share that list with the rest of the board members as well, too? because i think i think it would behoove us i'm just just really quickly i'm thinking if we're asking yes, that would be great, because i think if we're asking the ig who reports to the entire body and he's having meetings with individuals, it'd be nice for us to know so that we can prioritize as well, too. yeah, he and i met before he even assumed his duties. he wasn't even on. no, i just i would like to just know who's on. i'm sorry. so, so sorry. i contacted you really quickly. this is outside the scope of the agenda item. wait, wait, wait. i have the floor, and i've asked the question. so member wechter, i just want to focus on what was

in the report. so i don't want to deviate anywhere. this can be for when we get to future agenda items, but we're outside of the scope right now. and now i'm going to recognize public comment for members of the public would like to make public comment on line item four inspector general report. please approach the podium when it is free. my name is lucero herrera. i'm the interim site director at the young women's freedom center. i'm also an advocate for san francisco participatory defense, co-founder of sister warriors, and also a member of the latino task force. i'm really just here to talk about the women who i represent inside the cj two, which i already have spoken about it in september 17th town hall. i know you went to the man and had one meal, but what would it look like to have multiple of meals? because that's not what people get on the inside. a lot of women are advocating that they don't get hot meals in the morning, and that's the issue. i think we got to do better of how we meet our women halfway, which they don't get the support or the advocacy while they're incarcerated. someone who was formerly incarcerated at a point in my life as well. and i'm just

advocating for the people on the inside. on the september 17th, town hall, we are also advocating about a death that happened inside cj two, a young person by the name of amonte haley. and i just want to bring up that we got to it got to be everybody's job to do better of how we put the narrative of young people or people who are dying inside the jails to ensure that incarcerated individuals receive the mental care that they need when tragedies occur, community based organizations providing programing inside the jail should allow to offer emotional support for those who are incarcerated and the overcharging, excessive sentencing of black and young brown people inside the institution provide proper resources and services to support young people on the inside. i also want to talk about like demands and the kind of accountability for death. hold those responsible accountable for the deaths of the individuals who are in the care of the carceral system to ensure independent and transparent investigation into every death that occurs within

the carceral system, and provide justice support for the family of those who have died while in custody, including access to legal resources and restitution. implement systemic changes to prevent further loss of life within the carceral system, and focusing on improving conditions, mental health, and alternatives for incarceration. i'm here to advocate for the people on the inside who don't get advocacy, that don't get the support they need. they don't get the healthiest meals on the inside. and also, canteen is a problem. women shouldn't be drinking water out of faucets. they should have fresh, clean water, clean air. and these are the things that i'm here to advocate for. as someone who did time in jail to someone who goes inside and do programing on the inside, we got to do better as a whole here as a committee. it shouldn't just be palmer's job to talk about the food. it should be everybody's jobs here to change the food and the conditions of the inside. so i'm just here to advocate. and really, if you could reach out to me, i work at the young women's freedom center. i'm open to solutions and not just reform

to make it better, but really look at the issues on the inside to really get freedom for people and really look at that justice of the inside. so i'm just here to speak on behalf of that. sorry if i was standing here. i'm pregnant. i had to use the bathroom. i didn't want to miss my public comment as well. so i really want to just advocate for the people on the inside. and would you leave your contact information for our secretary so i can so i can personally reach out to you and apologize for making you wait for so long. that's that's the other thing, too. you know, we have some women who are pregnant or, you know, but they're of childbearing age. so nutrition is even more important for wome. and that was one of the reasons why, when we spoke at the task force, why i said that we want to have more meetings with the latino task force, because there were a lot of people at that meeting that had some real valuable input. and so it's going to take more than one

meeting for us to kind of get down to the bottom of everything. that was raised. and so you'd be someone that you know, we'd like to meet with in the future and sit down and have a real discussion, because i heard it was a good meeting, but we really got to talk about the deaths on the inside. i don't want to throw that under the rug. it has to be important that we have that conversation. and i just said, we had a good meeting, but really talk about the issues that really takes place on the inside for those for the men who are incarcerated and for the women, young women, trans of all genders and gender nonconforming folks. absolutely. thank you for your time. all right. thank you for being here. after that, i'm leaving because for its perfect october four, 4:00 pm. fine. and fourth number. right. okay. so, inspector general, inspect. okay. ought to be simple. yes. you are under arrest. okay. the poison is in all food. you have

to understand. so i've got a solution. it's part of the. one of the things i give, it's going to be in in the packs here outside. one eighth of each park in the city is going to be to grow food. we're going to put the city to the community's ambassadors to work, be useful in jail. they're going to grow their own food. the best way to have good food first is not to go to jail. all right. so now we got the solution. you're going to grow your food in jail. veggies, fruits, basics. you make the seeds everything you need for it. the guys are going to love it because they're going to learn something. and when they go out first, don't worry, they'll be fine, right? you need ideas, okay? you are under arrest. remember, the sheriff is under arrest. you have to really understand. so you need to learn fast now or to find the solutions. and whoever is against works against. keep

rocking against the eternal rules of existence, which i'm going to clarify here. the basis of this eternal rules of existence is to do whatever in your life focused on the emotional aspiration towards beauty. that's it. you can't fetch beauty. don't try anymore. okay? the light intelligence, light. otherwise you are a waste of space. the skies don't like it. you don't come back in existence if you keep you. i will explain more later. you have some answers there. please. you pay attention after that. remember how to bail yourself out of the situation. you put yourself in. thank you. have a great day. thank you. next agenda item, please. dan calling

line item five. sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q2 report discussion and possible action item discussion and possible action on the 2024 q2 report. due to the sheriff and the san francisco board of supervisors pursuant to san francisco charter 4.1 37b5 regarding zdob evaluations and outreach and oig reports submitted to the zdob. so, colleagues, i just wanted to sort of highlight that i am and i should be more clear, distinguishing the inspector general's report versus an office of the inspector general report. my position is until we have funding, we really don't have an office and we have the single inspector general. i was not an officer in the first year, and i will take personal blame as a member for not pushing harder to actually use the money to hire people, because we lost so much money by

not hiring at least another dan. because dan wears three hats and we applaud him. but it's unfair to dan. it's overburdensome. and then to have the department of police accountability also extend themselves and we are forever grateful to marshal kind paul henderson and their staff for helping us with the budget. but we find ourselves where we are now. so my position that i took when i made the drafts is that we don't really have the inspector general report. that's why i highlight what the inspector general does and so hopefully the mayor will take note. the board of supervisors, who said they were supportive of having some kind of budget with us, will take note. and i don't know i don't know how hopeful i am for a december some piecemeal kind of dollars floating our way. it might not happen,

although i hear from the state, the tax intake was greater than anticipated, so we apparently have $2 billion more in the state than we want. so that might mean that i need to reach out to the governor's office. and can i get my ticket? can i get my ticket money back then since since they and then and then and then one of my allies in southern california, assemblymember reggie jones-sawyer, who was my mentor on the platform committee, and he has had worked on criminal justice issues. so i might be begging him to help us find some money. so am i speaking? i go ahead, you go first. i was just i was asking what are we able to invite the mayor to come and speak before us about this issue? i it would have been nice before the election, but even after the election, could she come and. well, we could. whoever, whoever is the mayor after the election or her

executive staff who helped make the decision not to have a budget for us and expect us to fulfill our charter duties? i mean, if sheriff miyamoto could come in person. why, why, why can't the mayor come and in in the president of the supervisors come and talk to us about why we don't have money for. we could do that. yeah. i mean, it's not against our rules to ask them. and if they don't show up, then that tells us what they think about us, right. so. so we could have that. and dan, would you please take note. so we will issue the invitation for our november meeting. yeah. i have a question regarding the handouts. i see that there's like a one page that is red line, and i see that it says the second quarterly report, which we're on that particular agenda item. who is this from? and is this the only one. because i just see that for the third quarter, we have the full document. so what dan had sent out in the emails

is, is that these are comments from member wechter. so i think member wechter was and there's only just one page for the. okay. i just wanted to add, i think in the future i'd like it labeled on top because it just. yeah, i agree with you. member. carry on. it gets a little confusing to have floating pieces of paper. okay. thank you. okay. so the only difference between the two is that my version spells out in detail the recommendations that inspector general wally made to the board of supervisors at that meeting. so is that correct? i wasn't at the supervisor meeting. that's why i just, you know, would like to find out from inspector wiley. so i was going to i just wanted to make a comment of i was going to integrate one sentence because the recommendations that were made were during the meeting, but that was before the sheriff was able to speak to particular things. i do not want to. and you know, as an attorney member and the documents speak for

itself. so i did not want to recharacterize what necessarily what inspector general wiley was talking about part of and with all due respect, member wechter, some of this is commentary about the only way we're going to do this and that. i don't think that belongs in a recommendation. that's not representative of what inspector general wiley said. but one of the recommendations he did have was to redeploy some of the people who were doing the patrol. but sheriff miyamoto made a clarification that those deputies on patrol would not be assigned to the jails anyway because they are part of emergency services. so that constitutes about 6 or 7 members. so that was sort of a clarification. and we as a board did not adopt or decide whether it was appropriate. so i want to just leave it as very general and maybe to add and to synthesize what member wechter put in. we could just say the recommendations highlighted problems from the well, no

problems from no. so as part of the report, you have my version and then you have member rector's comments. and so i was just going to synthesize and highlight that the recommendations actually highlighted the system, not the systemic but the continued problem of short staff and antiquated technology. and leave it at that, because down the road, we i anticipate that we're going to have formal recommendations written at the end of the year. we as a board will adopt particular recommendations, and that will go to the sheriff, that will go to the city. and that's going to be our blueprint for the for the following year. i'd like to make a motion to adopt madam president's version, a revised version without the comments of commissioner wechter, as she now

described what she was planning on doing. first motion. is there a second? can i just want to ask quickly comment though? yeah. clarification. just on that, because i thought i heard you start to share that there was one piece or one sentence i was going to synthesize once. so in in addition, i just wanted to hear what that was going to be. if we if we looked on page two. and so let me just go paragraph by paragraph. so let's see. now i'm kind of oh, do i even have the right page or it's okay. just which which of the three i was just, i was just going to i just presented some preliminary recommendations. so i kept the things in there and let me just see if i can find i thought if we didn't, if we wanted to

incorporate, we would incorporate one sentence because i don't want to speak again. it's meant to be very general, just like our minutes are very general. yep. did i misunderstand because i thought you were saying the sentence would be that the recommendations highlighted the issues with technology. yeah. and that's and that's a synthesized. yeah. that's the one sentence that you talked about. yes. you would be adding. right. yes. okay. so synthesis i'd like to clarify something. i took these almost verbatim from the recording of the meeting. and inspector general wiley, are these an accurate reflection of the recommendations you made to the board of supervisors meeting? they're the sentences that you have here are much more conclusionary. i'm sorry. i'm much more much more conclusionary. whereas, for example, you say the only way and i don't recall being that conclusionary. and i think the point though, is that what madam president has suggested is just

acknowledges that identifies the issues without being providing the specific or one one particular conclusion, because we can address those issues in multiple different ways, and we don't want to tie ourselves so specifically in this particular document, because that's not its role. and then and then it was a snapshot in time and it might not be on our recommendation list at the end of the year. so if some things were addressed or there was a clarification made by the sheriff's office. so something like that, with what we didn't have full knowledge about how people were necessarily deployed to the tenderloin task force that i didn't realize. and after all the training that we had, that they were part of emergency services, so they in general would never be pulled in. so i'll i'll second the motion. yeah. okay. the last sentence there includes the recommendation regarding technology in the jail and cameras. it has nothing to do

with simon of deputies. and i thought that was a very useful recommendation. and i don't see why that shouldn't be included. i think we should be as accurate as possible in reporting what was actually said. and your version, president icu says, presented some preliminary recommendations. i didn't hear him say, these are preliminary recommendations. i heard him say that he talked to all the stakeholders to the sheriff's deputy union, to deputies, to the sheriff, and that you did a very exhaustive study, but he's not done before making those recommendations. he's not done, though. well, you didn't you didn't say they were preliminary. we're reporting on a moment in time on what you said in may. this is the second quarter report. if you've done more since then. well, that can be in a subsequent quarterly report. but this should accurately report what you said at the may board of supervisors meeting. and if we don't if we don't do that, then i think we're cheating the public of an

accurate reflection of what happened. but it was still preliminary because he got feedback from the sheriff at the time. at that particular meeting, when he actually drafted his comments to present to the board of supervisors, he didn't have that piece of information, and the sheriff was actually there to make clarifications as well. so that's why i left it. and i didn't want to characterize particular things as what was set in stone. as, you know, part of the priorities, it was information that he was presenting and again, it's still something that i think we need to address. it's the recruiting, the staffing shortage. and then it's shameful that we don't have technology to even run plates and driver's license when they're out on patrol. and so that's something that we're talking about working with either the cities it or i might impose more on. vice president brewster, but to see what we can do to actually use a single it

system from the police department, because we're all law enforcement, it doesn't make sense. so. sure. no, i was just going to say, general wiley, did you talk to the sheriff, get his perspective before you made your presentation to the board of supervisors? i've talked to him about a number of different things. so his perspective on exactly what on the issues that you raised, on the statements that you made at the at the board of supervisors meetings were more in assessment of just our observations in terms of some of our inspections. and let me just let me interject really quick, really quick, because, i mean, this is a report that's coming from this board in this body, right? so i think that moving forward, the reports that we're requesting from the ig, i think will dive into those specifics where we can have those some of those that we're talking about. but i do want to make note, there has been a motion that's been put on the floor, and it has been first and second. well, i think if we do not include the details, we will

be shortchanging the public and depriving them. i think your point of representation, and it will undermine our credibility with the public. your point is, well taken. yes. and as we call the vote. yes. and i was just one last thing as as with past reports, we've also inserted links oftentimes to go to the original document. so can we get a vote? dan we'll do public comment first. sorry i'm sorry. public comments for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line. item five. sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q2 report. please approach the podium when it is free. there appears to be no public comment, so i'll call the calling the roll on the sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q2 report vice president brookshire i is i member carry on. i carry on is i member nguyen i win is i member palmer i palmer is i president sue i sue is i member vector no vector is no. we have five ayes

and one no. the sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q2 report is approved. next agenda item please calling item six. sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q3 report discussion and possible action item discussion and possible action on the 2024 q3 report. due to the sheriff and the san francisco board of supervisors pursuant to san francisco charter 4.1 37b5 regarding sdof evaluations and outreach and oig reports submitted to zdob. i think if i can really quick, i want to make sure that we got this. for the record, president sugimoto members of the body, as well as members of the public, also know, you know, one of the things that we've implemented now with the new leadership roles is ensuring that myself and president su and dan all meet. i think, biweekly, i think is it every other wednesday dan or what did i say, julie even

ones even the second and fourth wednesday of each month. so as another point of being able to again have more transparency and more ears and eyes, i want you know, folks to know that we do meet and we discuss agenda and agenda items that come in and filter through. so i just wanted to share that that's something that that we've implemented and are doing. well, i submitted a version of this with comments and questions that i think should be answered before this is approved. and to go back for revision. so it will address those issues. and. so i had a question actually coming off of your first question about i

recognize that you're saying there's nothing that bars. right. but i understand really the statement of not submitting report is of being about the staffing issue. and, and the lack of the investigator. commissioner booker, you had mentioned submitting reports to the board. these would that fall in this category for you? the first page, this one, the first one, it says not submitting reports like, is this what you were suggesting at this point that the ig. i just want to make sure that you had made this suggestion of there might be a potential for submitting reports. no, i think that i think there was there was two parts. right. and the first one came from i think when i brought it up was when on how we as members present information on things that we're doing in the community. right. when i was on

the police commission, there was a section on the agenda where it was specifically for the members or commissioners to talk about outreach, things that they were going to and things that they were doing in terms of report. and i think what we're sharing here tonight, based off of what i was hearing, member wechter share that also resonated with me, was, again, just that that that deep, thorough and correct me if i'm wrong, but the way i'm thinking of it, deep, thorough bullet points on these are challenges. and these are recommendations that i'm that i'm offering based off of my time here in reporting to you, you all as something that we can do kind of moving forward. i also wanted to make a clarification for member. carry on. so on page two of the prior report and the report, we're considering right now, dan, just sort of highlights what's in our charter obligations. and i will say oig report submitted to the zdob and whatever year and quarter and so for the prior one, i pretty much said none until such time as oig is

staffed with at least one blah, blah, blah and i. and then in the following sentence that the pi report. the inspector general, however, has submitted monthly and quarterly reports, and so that kind of clarifies that they work together, i see. yeah. and then and then thank you. yeah, that's very helpful. and then in this last quarter we did have a report from the department of police accountability. so that was the most relevant part for this quarter. so i've read dozens if not hundreds of annual reports from oversight entities around the country. and when there is a board or commission and you have an entity like the inspector general or an or an investigative body, the inspector general would have their report included in the larger report, but they would be speaking in their voice because it's really emphasized that inspector generals need to operate independently, free from influence. they need to make statements, as they call them. and i think that's something we should uphold and allow

inspector general wiley to write his own report and incorporate it. and make the statements about what he's done and what he's looked at and what his goals and operations are, and that's for that same reason. i'm not going to put inspector general wiley's or my interpretation of what inspector general wiley said in the report. i would direct people to actually look at the original source and just put a general overview of his comments. any future agenda items? yeah. so is there do we need to have a motion to approve? yes. this is a separate agenda item to be voted on action item okay. i. i vote to approve president madam president's versions excluding commissioner comments. i thought we just did that for the this is

for the third quarterly report. third quarter. that was so now we're second. i know it's because that's why i know i know i'm good. i'm glad you specified we did. we did. okay. so we should probably specify that it's for the third only the third quarterly report okay. is there a second second okay. we take the votes in public comment. members of the public would like to make public comment on line item six. sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q3 report. please approach the podium when it is free. seeing no public comment, calling the roll on the sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q3 report vice president brookshire i is i member carry on i carry on is i member win i win is i member palmer i palmer is i president sue i sue is i member wechter no. wechter is no. there are five eyes and one no. the sheriff's department oversight board 2024 q3 report is

approved. thank you. and the next agenda item, please call line item seven future agenda items discussion and possible action item. actually, before we move on, member karen caught a typo on the header for the q2 report. so there's an extra zero in the year in the in the header up. do you see that dan i believe that would be considered a scrivener's error. so there wouldn't be a need to do a motion again. yes, precisely. thank you. you're welcome. so on the future agenda items let's see. let me just go back for the next meeting. we are going to have inspector inspector general. we're going to have chief counsel ronnie singh with us. and i just want to recognize kelly collins here, who is the deputy. welcome to our meetings. and then to highlight again,

this was before you got here, vice president, if you want to say anything more about the young community developers walk, run. i like the picture. handsome picture here. nope. i mean nothing more than just encouraging community to come outside. we're promoting health and transitional age youth and just an opportunity to bring folks to the bay view. and we're going to do a5k, which is 3.2 miles. a lot of folks think it's five miles, but it's 3.2 miles metric system. but going to be for community vendors will be out. we'll have food and music. race starts at 9 a.m. and yeah, i was also going to say, you know, i would have not known about the new community center had i had not been invited to the graduation. so if any of you want to attend a graduation, it's very inspiring and also especially meet the kids of the graduates too. and then right across is the plaza where our vice president had her first

headquarters back in the day when she was starting her elected career. so you could maybe we could landmark that place. the baby plaza, and then health. and then we were going to talk about the food. right. health. yeah, it's a component. but really i still want someone from the department of public health to actually talk about overall health. and then i even had this piece of paper. so when we were at stage three, we actually had was this were we at kj three. no. maybe this was at c, j two. but we had someone with jail behavioral health so we could actually even break down some of the other health things. and then df addressing addiction, that kind of thing because it seems that we can't get someone here to talk. overall, i wanted the head person, but we may just break it

down into components, but i don't want to wait any longer. and we've been i've personally been begging to have a health report for a couple of years now, and so and then also, you know, we'll be laying out that sort of the agenda, the topics, the priorities for the next year. and i know. member wechter you submitted something about the statistics, and the statistics were actually all there in a mission local articl. so things have been called, i don't want to impose on the city and then go through legal counsel to get all the data all over again. when i can just take what's already been given to us, and then we can ask for further interpretation by dpa or however we want to do it. but i'm not going to have people recreate work. so anything else i was, i was thinking, would it be okay for the next agenda that we do add? i don't know if it's another item or it's another

just bullet point, but i think it goes back to like members reports, because i think it would just be cool to have a section where if member vector goes to an event that he can talk about it, and it's always on our agenda, or member nguyen does some new training that the sheriff's department is doing that he can actually bring up without having to agendize it. yeah, and of course, we probably should get some sort of a report or let folks know what is going to be talked about ahead of time so we can actually budget for the time. exactly. but i will say that thank you to member wechter. i did tune in to the webinar on jail health. as someone who actually debated health care reform since high school, and i don't want to tell you how long, just suffice it to say, i'm soon to be in antique years from when i graduated from high school, i thought some of it was useful, what i didn't, i think what undermined some of the credibility is that some people actually were very entrenched in their particular positions. and i think until we look at overall societal health,

people unfortunately are not going to focus on incarcerated health. so we i think we need to think broader and incorporate entire community society. i mean, if those people who are going to vote, we have to train them to think about everybody. and that includes our incarcerated population. i think what further undermines some of the presentation for me is that there were people who were from the abolitionist groups. so if you probably need to stay within the future agenda. yeah, yeah. so that's. yeah. so it sounds like a good discussion for next time. yeah. so we can, we can talk a little bit more. but this will kind of go back to the health. and so hopefully december january will have some kind of health report because i'm going to twist arms a little harder this time. so with that i think i'm going to ask a question. i also in early july submitted a request for agenda item for a presentation by amrik singh, the inspector general of

the california department of corrections and rehabilitation, on how an effective office of inspector general for carceral facilities operates and to suggest how the this board can conduct performance evaluations of our inspector general. what's what's the status of that? i never heard anything. i have not contacted her. we could have her. i think i think many of us have done evaluations in the past. so it's not particular to this particular topic. but we could have her even at the next meeting if we want. but i really want to focus on the policy. i mean, we missed two meetings, so that's why we're a little bit behind. i mean, i think i had september agenda to look at a presentation on some of the policy reforms. the overhauling that took place two years ago. and so, if i may, it seems like the i agree with that. i think that's a great idea. so i'm not

against that. i'm just thinking of the timing, because when is the evaluation due? we would do it typically in december in december. so we could have we would have maybe we could have it next month and then and if you if we want we could also have another hr presentation just in general to talk about evaluations, what they typically do and, and the forms they give us and our closed session and then that kind of thing. so and could you share with the full board all the forms that you've received that people have submitted and the transparency. so we'll know what people are asking for and what their status is. it's i mean, i just have yours. so yours are the only ones, the only one. yeah. the only. yeah. the two. so it's not one the two submissions. so that on the statistics and then from dpa and then aman singh. so yeah just for the record, what mission local reported was much broader than what i was requesting because i wanted to see things over time, because one of the arguments we made in

asking for a budget for the inspector general was that it would save the city money and potentially reducing lawsuits, settlements and adverse judgments. and if we have that data from the past, we can show what effect his presence has going forward. and that can be a very strong and potent argument for supporting oversight. yeah, i mean, that was one of the topics we talked about at our last meeting. we made that argument, and i don't know. so, janet, can i ask you an impromptu question, what's the records retention period for the city on? it depends on the document. so i'm talking about like these judgments on. so i'm not exactly sure, but it would certainly be. he was asking i think for the last five years i'm sure it was ten. so i thought, you know, most places it's seven, seven years. so i suspect we still have it. okay. really quick, dan, can we do a very quick follow up with it? i just think for i'm a big person

around decorum. and when i was on police commission, we actually had a cue for when folks wanted to talk, i think would really help us evolve and continue to move forward. when we have folks that are in a queue and lined up and ready to talk and we can go through just something to inquire about, and then also also we don't get to log in here, but in the past we've been able to turn on and off our mics too. but it's not. yeah, but we're not we're not logged in. i'm not logged in like being on tv. but tell them to give us the bells and whistles. do we have public comment on this agenda? for member for members of the public would like to make public comment on line item seven future agenda items. please approach the podium when it is free. seeing no public comment. calling line item eight general public comment at this time, the

public is welcome to address the board for up to two minutes on items that did not appear on this afternoon's agenda, but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the sheriff's department oversight board. during public comment, neither sheriff's personnel nor any board members are required to respond to questions by the public, but may provide a brief response. if you would like to make public comment, approach the podium when it is free. as a reminder, you have two minutes to give public comment. seeing no public comment. calling line item nine adjournment action item. all those in favor? aye. aye aye. any nays? i me meeting is adjourned at 4:42 p.m.

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francisco as the voice that >> who doesn't love cable cars? charging emissions and we're free which we're proud of you know, it's not much free left in the world anymore so we managed to do that through donations and through our gift shops. you got a real look and real appreciation of what early transit systems are like. this was the transit of the day from about 1875 to about 1893 or later, you know. cable car museum is free, come on in. take a day. come down. rediscover the city. you can spend as time you want and you don't have to make reservations and it's important to be free because we want them to develop a love for cable cars so they do continue to support whether they live here or other places and people come in and say, yes, i have passed by and heard of this and never come in and they always enjoy themselves. people

love cable cars and there's none left in the world so if you want to ride a cable car, you've got to come to san francisco. that what makes the city. without the cable cars, you lose part of that, you know, because people who come here and they love it and they love the history ask they can ride a cable car that has been running since 1888 or 1889. wow! that's something. can't do that with other historical museums. rarely, have i run into anybody from outside who didn't come in and didn't feel better from knowing something about the city. it's a true experience you'll remember. i hope they walk away with a greater appreciation for the history, with the mechanics with people are fascinated by the winding machine and i hope the appreciation, which is a part of our mission and these young kids will appreciate cable cars and the ones who live here and other places, they can make sure there will always be cable cars in san francisco because once they are

gone, they are gone. it's the heartbeat of san francisco that founded the cable and the slot and without the cable cars, yeah, we would lose something in san francisco. we would lose part of its heart and soul. it wouldn't be san francisco without cable cars. [bell ringing] you are watching san francisco rising with chris manor. today's special guest is sarah phillips. >> hi, i'm chris manors and you are watching san francisco rising the show about restarting rebuilding and eare imagineing the city. the guest today is sarah phillips the executive director of economic workforce development. welcome to the show.

>> thank you for having me. let's talk about the city economic plan and specifically the city's road map to san francisco future. can you give a brief overview and update on progress? >> absolute e. in february 2023 mayor breed released the roadmap comprised to 9 strategies to move the city forward understanding there was structural and lang lasting changing by the covid impact. 134 were shorter term impacts how people using transit downtown and coming out and are using small businesses, some of them remember long-term structural impacts. the way we work. how often we are in an office and how much office space companies who had headquartered in san francisco need. some of those were structural impacts how we stop. there has been a long-term change as online shopping takes up a greater share how we

performs and covid-19 took a shift that would probably take 10 to 15 years happen and collapse what happened ofern the timeframe to 2 years so saw structural impacts how people shop. we have seen a lot of progress rchlt we are 9 months in and significant things we have seen is efforts creating permitinant services and homes for people experiencing homelessness is dramatic. we increased the number of shelter beds dramatically and take-up of the beds dramatically, and there is more work to do. on the safety side there are exciting things that happened. we increased our police pay among the highest in the bay area which is a important thing for recruitment. police recruitment across the country is down so recruiting the best we can means we need to give a high pay set.

august the highsh return in graduates. we see 75 decrease in retail theft and 50 percent reduction in car break ins which is quality of life crime san francisco experienced so there is real progresses we are seeing on clean and safe sides. one thing important in the mayor roadmap we are not trying to get back to 2020 vision. i think covid showed having a downtown with people sitting at offices isn't the best downtown it can be. i think it is a opportunity to bring 24 hour life use downtown. >> music and concerts is a great way to bring people to a specific location. golden gate park we had lots of events in plazas throughout the

city. can you talk about those and if there is upcoming events too? >> i think you touched on something key to the mayor road map. for san francisco and particularly san francisco downtown to move forward and be successful as a great american city, it is about bringing people together because they want to be together not because they center to be together and music is a strong part that. the planet concert sear ries coming up and happening throughout the city not just golden gate park but downtown locations are a great example. there are smaller examples as well. the landing at--is a new plaza we constructed in the mayor roadmap where two streets come together akwraisant to a couple restaurants closed to cars in daytime, chairs and seating and throughout the week they have lunch time and evening music to bring people together after

work. they participate in that. something we are working on setting up for next year which is really exciting is our sf live program and that will bring a full 2024 concert series where we match local venues bringing their work and partnership to useian square, music center plaza and embark cadero. we will be able to announce concert series through the sf- >> you mentioned vacant to vibrant, that program has a lot of attention lately. can you talk generally what exactly that program is? >> yeah. so, we opened a program where we put out a call for landlords willing to offer groundfloor space for free for 3 to 6 month jz small business or

storefront operators who had a proposal what they would do for 3 to 6 months. it is pilot. we had a incredible amount of interest. we had--i'm forgetting the number of landlords, but more then we expected because we are in a place where commercial real estate understands they need to come to the table to help make our groundfloor lively and resulting in a transition where the groundfloor is seen less as a money making operation, but more as a leader to lease upper floors. if you have a active ground floor yields better on the other 80 percent of the building you are trying to lease. that was great, a lot of cooperation scr over 700 small business or operators responded to that call. it is pop up. there is no intention this would result in forever small businesses, but there is certainly a hope and i think what we are hearing, i don't have the final data, but there

are 17 activators in 9 different spaces, some are colocated, which is why the difference, and out of those 9 spaces that are being leased for free, now 7 of them are in discussions for long-term leases so the spaces continue. it is the program. we are hopeful to have a second and third traunch and hoping to pilot in other neighborhoods with other partners. it is not an inexpensive program because there is a lot of capital that goes into popping up for short amount of time but what we are seen is they visit the businesses, the businesses are successful and san francisco want to support this activation so hopeful to expand it. >> that's great. can you talk a bit about why piloting programs and testing things is so important? >> absolutely. you know, i would say not only the important generally but important in san francisco specifically. the benefit of pilot programs in the reasons they are really

important here is, it allows us to try something and say, there may be consequence but let's understand those in real time rather then waiting to start a strategy while we think about them on paper and if they are too great we can modify the program as we go. mta has absorbed the strategy whether a bike lane or other to figure how best to use the street? is this working? is it working for bikes and cars and buses? maybe not, let's switch it around and pilots have been important to oewd to our office particularly because we tend to have the ability and the mayor's support through the budget process to pilot things through request for proposals or rfp process where we can put out a small amount of funding, try activation and small public

plaza, see if it works and i think the benefit there is, if it doesn't work we tried it and had the benefit of seeing real time and when it does work, we are able to uplift that and move into a permanent strategy and that is where our agency turns over something we piloted to another agency because it is part of the city operating procedure. pilots also give people hope. when we have the short-term whether it is physical public plaza or activation that shows change is possible and allows them to vote for what they like. >> lastly, in lith light of the current ai boom, do you think there is a way to leverage those new changes to take a bunch of san francisco's status as a tech hub? >> i do, i think they work

together. san francisco right now has a strong vacancy problem in our office space. and there is a back-story to that. our zoning downtown has not prevented other uses, in terms of permitting uses of the multi-story building has been open including allowing residential but we put other barriers, cost and code barriers et cetera and what happened also during the height of our preevious boom is that, the amount that tech companies were willing to pay for office space bid everything out so we-without intentionally zoning a single use downtown, we de facto became a single use downtown and thereat is the opportunity you are pointing out. now because downtown was so convertible from work from home, particularly as tech based downtown was and how much companies put at the market in the office spaces we are seeing

high vacancy now, all most 30 percent so there is lot of square feet but that presents a lot of opportunity. we have the ability to absorb expansion of the tech industry we are so strong at. we have seen over 800 thousand square feet of ai space leased just in 2023 alone and there is still more demand out in the market, more ai companies looking for space so that is a growth spot absorbing some of the vac ancy. the opportunity too is prices for downtown lease s have also dropped and that opens up a breath of opportunity to a breath of companies that were priced out in 2018, 2019, 2020. san francisco has always been great at starting companies and allowing them to grow here. when our prices are too high it prevents that growth so now we are a super fertile ground for more start ups and invasion on the smaller end of the sector because they can come and enter

our market and we have the space to offer. to talk about san francisco's assets and the leveraging that, we sit at the epicenter of really great university and educational institutions. we are between uc berkeley and stanford. the graduates produced just from those institutions alone stay in the bay area and want to rise up and work here, provide a real opportunity for the start ups to build their companies and companies to grow here so we confident we will absorb a certain amount of office space with ai tech. with that, we are interested in increasing our human capital growing graduates. downtown university is something the mayor is open to pursuing and we are in conversations with uc berkeley we love to have as a partner in our downtown and then residential conversions are a great partner to that. as we build back the office space, people will want to live downtown again and we have a number buildings that can be

converted to residential. the costs are high. mayor breed and her partners on the board made significant changes to reduce the costs. we waived fees for change of uses in the downtown area. there are code changes that will make the conversions easier. there is a ballot measure on the march ballot that will attempt to reduce costs for those as well. it is ongoing process and none of those changes we talked about absent ai growth downtown, but institutional growth downtown, arts growth downtown and residential conversions downtown are long-term changes so one thing i want to say recollect i do think there is a opportunity per your question, but we also need to be patient because what we are talking about is is a real shift to the make-up of the downtown since from the growth it has been starting at since the turn of the century so that isn't a 2 year change, that is a 10 year change and we center to watch as it goes. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate you

spending the time here today and your creative vision and positivity, so thank you so much. >> thanks so much for having me and hope you all downtown and shop. >> that is it for this episode. for sfgovtv i'm chris manors, >> i'm rebecca and i'm a violinist and violin teacher.

i was born here in san francisco to a family of cellists, professional cellists, so i grew up surrounded by a bunch of musical rehearsals an lessons. all types of activities happened in my house. i began playing piano when i was 4. i really enjoyed musical activities in general. so when i was 10, i began studying violin in san francisco. and from there, i pretty much never stopped and went on to study in college as well. that's the only thing i've ever known is to have music playing all the time, whether it is someone actually playing next to you or someone listening to a recording. i think that i actually originally wanted to play flute and we didn't have a flute. it's always been a way of life. i didn't know that it could be any other way.

>> could you give me an e over here. great. when you teach and you're seeing a student who has a problem, you have to think on your feet to solve that problem. and that same kind of of thinking that you do to fix it applies to your own practice as well. so if i'm teaching a student and they are having a hard time getting a certain note, they can't find the right note. and i have to think of a digestible way to explain it to them. ee, d, d, e. >> yes. then, when i go on to do my own practice for a performance, those words are echoing back in my head. okay. why am i missing this? i just told somebody that they needed to do this. maybe i should try the same thing. i feel a lot of pressure when i'm teaching young kids. you

might think that there is less pressure if they are going on to study music or in college that it is more relaxing. i actually find that the opposite is true. if i know i'm sending a high school student to some great music program, they're going to get so much more instruction. what i have told them is only the beginning. if i am teaching a student who i know is going to completely change gears when they go to college and they never will pick up a violin again there is so much that i need to tell them. in plain violin, it is so difficult. there is so much more information to give. every day i think, oh, my gosh. i haven't gotten to this technique or we haven't studies they meese and they have so much more to do. we only have 45 minutes a week. i have taught a few students in some capacity who has gone on to study music. that feels anaysing. >> it is incredible to watch how

they grow. somebody can make amazing project from you know, age 15 to 17 if they put their mind to it. >> i think i have 18 students now. these more than i've had in the past. i'm hoping to build up more of a studio. there will be a pee ono, lots of bookshelves and lots of great music. the students will come to my house and take their lessons there. my schedule changes a lot on a day-to-day basis and that kind of keeps it exciting. think that music is just my favorite thing that there is, whether it's listening to it or playing it or teaching it. all that really matters to me is that i'm surrounded by the sounds, so i'm going top keep doing what i'm doing to keep my life in that direction.

>> october 1, 2024 meeting. secretary will you call the roll. >> secretary: commissioner. >> present. >> present. >> and commissioner jer ado. >> present.