a decision and you know -- i have two quick things to say that might have the same decision. are you contesting the notification or here toappeal? the appeal.

>> i'm just -- the appeal. >> speak into the microphone. when they appealed 8 years before they heard back. covid was in between you appeal in the 2015. i believe. she could not continue anything until she heard appeal. it was 8 years. are all right. so -- procedural rew i don't know if there is recourse we already voted. wee ending early i think you know if there is a way to do it and hear it i think that would be more in line with what you know our mission and

values are on this board to hear it if we can. i don't know if we can. but yea. said so i don't know if tell make a difference or i don't know if you know you are representing the ordinance. i don't know -- is there a reason they are not here >> she is sick now. >> does she need would she appear if she were healthy. >> yes. >> if we continued the hearing would -- we already voted. we cannot -- >> i'm just -- talking. about using my requested to speak. all right. that's -- i stated it. can we go back to commissioner to question which is, are you in

any way making an objectionñb t the asertions that were made? originally? you mean the nov's? >> yes. >> no. okay. just the appeal she when appealing could not continue until she got a response, right? is this correct? no. she can dot work the nov's were for? yes? is there a way i can help her get this taken care of. that is what i'm hireed do nov and lore everything up. that's what -- she needs help

with that. doing the work [inaudible]. okay. yes. >> okay. okay. thank you. >> thank you you may have a seat. what was the -- the decision that the board upheld the order of abatement including the assessment of costs that they agree. >> how much. i don't know you can discuss that with staff. i don't know what the costs are. you can discuss it with deputy director. >> okay. >> thank you >> thank you. and again we had a notion adjourn commissioner alexander-tut a second? >> second. >> we are now adjourned it is 10. . 15 a.m. we will reconvene as

building inspection at 10:30. >> you're watching san francisco rising with chris

manors. today's special guest is mary chu. >> hi. i'm chris manors, and you're rising on san francisco rising. the show that's focused on rebuilding, reimagining, and restarting our city. our guest today is mary chu, and she's here to talk with us about art and the san francisco art commission. well come, miss chu. >> thanks for having me. >> it's great to have you. let's talk about art in the city and how art installations are funded. >> the arts committee was funded in 1932 and support civic review, design investments and artal

projects we have are funded by the city's art enrichment ordinance which provides 2% of construction costs for public art. >> so art is tied to construction. there's been a great deal in the southwest of the city. can you talk about some of the projects there? >> sure. our city hasxciting projected in the bayview-hunters point coming up. one artist created a photo collage. in the picture pavilion, one artist formed a collage of her one-year residency coming together with residents, and

anchoring the new center is a landmark bronze sculpture, inspired by traditional ivory coast currency which the artists significantly enlarges to mark that it's a predominantly african american community in bayview hunters point. >> are there any art installations around town that uses light as a medium? >> yes. the first is on van ness between o'farrell and geary. it's funded with the m.t.a.s van ness geary street project. another project is for the central subway.

it is one of ten artworks commissioned for the new line. it's over 650 feet long, consists of 550 l.e.d. panels between theowell street station and the union street station. it's called lucy in the sky, and the lights are patterned with unique sequences so that commuters can experience a unique pattern each time they pass through. >> perfect. what about the early day sculpture that was removed from the civic center? >> this is a question that cities have been grappling with nationwide. following the removal of early days in 2018, there was a toppling of statues in golden gate park as well as the

removal of the christopher columbus statue. we are partnering with the parks department as well as the community to engage with the public to develop guidelines to evaluate the existing monuments and memorials in the civic arts collection and evaluate the removal of a monument or statue but also installing new ones. >> finally, it seems like the weather might be nice this weekend. if i fancy taking a walk and seeing some outdoor art, where would you suggest i go? >> well, i would suggest the embarcadero. this work was commissioned with

funds from the fire station 35. this suggests the bow of a boat and the glass panel surrounding the structure depict the history of fireboats in the bay area. >> and where can i go from there? >> then, i would walk up to justin herman plaza to check out the work of the art vendors. then check out the monuments like the mechanics monument. also, be sure to check out the poster series, installed in bus kiosks along market street, which features four artists each year. >> well, thank you. i appreciate you coming on the show, miss chu. thank you for your time today. >> thank you, chris. >> that's it for this episode. we'll be back with another sho

>> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take

any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly

cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground

fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy

challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco.

>> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity.

>> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here

was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake.

>> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for >> i don't think you need to be an expert to look around and see the increasing frequency of fires throughout california. they are continuing at an ever-increasing rate every summer, and as we all know, the drought continues and huge shortages of water right now. i don't think you have to be an expert to see the impact. when people create greenhouse gases, we are doing so by different activities like burning fossil fuels and letting off carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and we also do this with food waste. when we waste solid food and leave it in the landfill, it puts methane gas into the atmosphere and that accelerates makes all the ch we are warming effects of climate change worse.

the good news is there are a lot of things that you can be doing, particularly composting and the added benefit is when the compost is actually applied to the soil, it has the ability to reverse climate change by pulling carbon out of the atmosphere and into the soil and the t radios. and there is huge amount of science that is breaking right now around that. >> in the early 90s, san francisco hired some engineers to analyze the material san francisco was sending to landfill. they did a waste characterization study, and that showed that most of the material san francisco was sending to landfill could be composted. it was things like food scraps, coffee grounds and egg shells and sticks and leaves from gardening. together re-ecology in san francisco started this curbside composting program and we were

the first city in the country to collect food scraps separately from other trash and turn them into compost. it turns out it was one of the best things we ever did. it kept 2.5 million tons of material out of the landfill, produced a beautiful nutrient rich compost that has gone on to hundreds of farms, orchards and vineyards. so in that way you can manage your food scraps and produce far less methane. that is part of the solution. that gives people hope that we're doing something to slow down climate change. >> i have been into organic farming my whole life. when we started planting trees, it was natural to have compost from re-ecology. compost is how i work and the soil biology or the microbes feed the plant and our job as regenerative farmers is to feed the microbes with compost and

they will feed the plant. it is very much like in business where you say take care of your employees and your employees will take carolinas of your customers. the same thing. take care of the soil microbes and soil life and that will feed and take care of the plants. >> they love compost because it is a nutrient rich soil amendment. it is food for the soil. that is photosynthesis. pulling carbon from the atmosphere. pushing it back into the soil where it belongs. and the roots exude carbon into the soil. you are helping turn a farm into a carbon sink. it is an international model. delegations from 135 countries have come to study this program. and it actually helped inspire a new law in california, senate bill 1383. which requires cities in california to reduce the amount of compostable materials they send to landfills by 75% by 2025. and san francisco helped inspire

this and this is a nation-leading policy. >> because we have such an immature relationship with nature and the natural cycles and the carbon cycles, vernment does have to step in and protect the commons, which is soil, ocean, foryes, sir, and so forth. -- forest, and so fors. we know that our largest corporations are a significant percentage of carbon emission, and that the corporate community has significant role to play in reducing carbon emissions. unfortately, we have no idea and no requirement that they disclose anything about the carbon footprint, the core operation and sp360 stands for the basic notion that large corporations should be transparent about the carbon footprint. it makes all the sense in the world and very common sense but is controversial. any time you are proposing a policy that is going to make real change and that will change

behavior because we know that when corporations have to disclose and be transparent and have that kind of accountability, there is going to be opposition. >> we have to provide technical assistance to comply with the state legislation sb1383 which requires them to have a food donation program. we keep the edible food local. and we are not composting it because we don't want to compost edible food. we want that food to get eaten within san francisco and feed folks in need. it is very unique in san francisco we have such a broad and expansive education program for the city. but also that we have partners in government and nonprofit that are dedicated to this work. at san francisco unified school district, we have a sustainability office and educators throughout the science department that are building it

into the curriculum. making it easy for teachers to teach about this. we work together to build a pipeline for students so that when they are really young in pre-k, they are just learning about the awe and wonder and beauty of nature and they are connecting to animals and things they would naturally find love and affinity towards. as they get older, concepts that keep them engaged like society and people and economics. >> california is experiencing many years of drought. dry periods. that is really hard on farms and is really challenging. compost helps farms get through these difficult times. how is that? compost is a natural sponge that attracts and retains water. and so when we put compost around the roots of plants, it holds any moisture there from rainfall or irrigation. it helps farms make that corner and that helps them grow for food. you can grow 30% more food in

times of drought in you farm naturally with compost. farms and cities in california are veryip now to this fact that creating compost, providing compost to farms helps communities survive and get through those dry periods. >> here is the thing. soil health, climate health, human health, one conversation. if we grow our food differently, we can capture all that excess carbon in the atmosphere and store it in unlimited quantities in the soil, that will create nutrient dense foods that will take care of most of our civilized diseases. so it's one conversation. people have to understand that they are nature.■ they can't separate. we started prowling the high plains in the 1870s and by the 1930s, 60 year, we turned it into a dust bowl. that is what ignorance looks like when you don't pay attention to nature. nature bats last. so people have to wake up.

wake up. compost. >> it is really easy to get frustrated because we have this belief that you have to be completely sustainable 24/7 in all aspects of your life. it is not about being perfect. it is about making a change here, a change there in your life. maybe saying, you know what? i don't have to drive to that particular place today. today i am going to take the bus or i'm going to walk. it is about having us is stainable in mind. that is - i having sustainability in mind. that is how we move the dial. you don't have to be perfect all the time. >> san francisco has been and will continue to be one of the greener cities because there are communities who care about protecting a special ecosystem and habitat. thinking about the history of the ohlone and the native and indigenous people who are stewards of this land from that history to now with the ambitious climate action plan we

just passed and the goals we have, i think we have a dedicated group of people who see the importance of this place. and who put effort into building an infrastructure that actually makes it possible. >> we have a long history starting with the gold rush and the anti-war activism and that is also part of the environmental movement in the 60s and 70s. and of course, earth day in 1970 which is huge. and i feel very privileged to work for the city because we are on such a forefnt of environmental issues, and we get calls from all over the world really to get information. how do cities create waste programs like they do in san francisco. we are looking into the few which you are and we want innovation. we want solutions.

>> good morning. today is wednesday october 16, 2024 the building inspection commission. mute your yourself if you are in the speak first is roll call. president

>> good morning today is wednesday, october 16 issue 2024. regular meeting of abatement appeals. mute yourself if you are not speak the first item is roll call. >> vice president nuemann. >> here. >> commissioner alexander-tut. >> here. >> commissioner meng. >> commissioner shaddix. >> here. >> williams >> here >> we have our lands acknowledgment. [ramaytush ohlone acknowledgment]

>> thank you. next any members of public that may be upon libbing in public comment call in number is 415-655-0001. the is 26642564571. the web expassword is 1016. and please press if you want to raise your hand on an item press star 3 when prompted by the moderator. and public comment will be taken

in person first and we will take online comment. >> then also, for today's proceedings, the there will be presentations by the department. the department and the appellate have 7 minutes to present their case. there is public comment for 3 minutes each and there will be reabout theal time for 3 minutes. >> next we have item b approval of minutes. >> discussion and action to adopt the minutes held on september 18, 2024. is there a motion to approve the minutes? >> motion to approve. >> second. >> so there is a motion and a second, is there public comment on the minutes.

>> all commissioner in favor. >> aye. >> opposed? >> thank you. the minutes are approved.c. new appeals or abatement. number one case 69 twine 1943 ocean avenue am jeffrey lau action requested by appellate assessment of cost requesting another opportunity for the case to be heard. the department like to come forward? did we swear in snefrn >> you can come and stay and do it here. also you can all members of public here to i will do the oath of office. for everyone. anyone hol give testimony today

stand and raise your right hand. >> do you swear the testimony is true to the best of your knowledge? >> thank you. may be seated. >> okay. u come forward. thank you. we did not get a verbal affirmative from the other person who intends. >> he is public comment. >> okay. >> got it. >> okay. great. sorry. the appellates are not here >> okay >> good morning to everyone and building inspection commissioner i'm joe i think senior building

inspector here with a bbi for presenting 2aa be on today agenda. first case is a code enforcement and the second is a housing case. i will be presenting the case on behalf of the housing inspection service. i start with the first appeal case from code enforcement. 6929. the address is 1943 ocean avenue. plot 6915, lot 025. [inaudible]. consists of one story building in construction for commercial use in b and m occupancy. the violation triggered by a fire that happened 9 years ago in 2015. there fire caused damage to the

wall. sealing and moved from the ground floor commercial pace dbi constructed a field investigation and issue nov to public owner urging for repair. however, today after almost 10 years from the first nov issue the repair has not been legal and fully complait leasted by dbi final inspection the building multiple active violations with code enforcement. this violation case including boonldzed store front in different units. and the construction under approved permit. permit and activity. refer to the table that can be found at the top of page 2 of my report. the permit was the last 4 dig the 3662. the 2 attempt to address the

violation both were not complete with the final inspection today. the detail of the permit scope and inspection history found in number 12 and 19 exhibits. further, in the same table found 2 recall related permit with thg last 4 digit under 9293 and 5536. this two permit was suspended in november of 2018. please refer to the exhibit 14 and 17 for detail. also, review exhibit 28. nov to 01626632. this nov issuing in august of 2016. dbi inspector worked beyond the approved■y permit with referenc to the same number last 4 digit 9293 and 3080. this situation become an

obstacle and increase the complication for the owner to complete the corrective work with dbi final inspection sign off and updated rilagz. staff recommendation uphold the order ofment including impotion assessment of cost and nov and order- of abatement isse correctly back in 2015 and 2016. the owner has approved for return to the staff on january 16th. the owners did not have [inaudible]. that conclude my presentation. thank you. >> thank you. and is the appellate present? mrs. lau or a representative?

the appellate not appear to be present. check is there anyone online? okay. for the record notice of this hearing was upon begin to the appellate in a timely manner. and those written notices are available online as well on the abatement appeal's board website. so we still will call for public comment on this case. so. right now we will call for public comment. you can come forward. >> no the next one i'm sorry. >> thanks. public comment anyone for 1943 ocean avenue? any hands raised? okay. there is no public comment in person or online. the commissioner have comment or question of the staff?

okay. the record for the [inaudible] is found from the exhibit 25 on the page 51. we have the document and also the posting photo on the back of that page, page 52 we have affidavit for the aab hearing. for certified mail and also the posting affidavit. page 51 and 52 of my report. is there deliberation or questions?

so, my understanding is that judging from what i have seen you would say that we have complied with noticing that is out lined in section 6 of the appeal's rules? >> real in hearing procedures for appeals? complied? >> yes. >> thank you. no■! questions. >> okay. thank you. so now there are no questions. further questions from the commissioners. the rules say we have to -- implement the departments the right? they need to -- make a motion? either move to uphold the appeal? and notice of abatement. or notice of order. the order of abatement.

[laughter] so just for the record, so the motion is to uphold the order of abatement and assessment of cost? >> yes. that's the motion by vice president nuemann is there a second? i will second. >> second by commissioner shaddix. >> i will do a roll call vote on the motion. >> vice president nuemann. >> yes. >> commissioner alexander-tut. >> yes >> commissioner meng >> yes. >> commissioner shaddix. >> yes. >> commissioner williams. yes >> motion carries unanimously. i'm looking at rules we have to confirm the commission has to:w confirm the notice was did properly and also. confirm do that. >> i stated that i don't know. i look at the rules they the appellate fails to appear the

commission will confirm the notice was properly provide under section 6. >> did that. that's the statement i sxrd what the inspector provide. i'm asking if we are to as a commission confirm that or if we covered that? >> i think we covered it. it is on the record and i believe that the board's decision take into consideration that notice was provide. >> okay. >> however, if there is some question about that, then the board can certainly me confirmation by a motion i don't think well is anything wrong with that. just deciding that i guess adopt ing if there is a question whether notice was begin i believe that question has been answered. and my understanding is that the

board members understand that. when made their decision. >> i feel comfortable especially given we have the you know -- certified mail certificates and all of the items to show that they have received the documentation. as long it is otrecord that we don't as long as the discussion is on the record i'm comfortable with that. so i support just to add i am readings the rules and if the commission would like the board will like to move to confirm that notice was properly given

and because the appellate did not appear for the hearing, the order of abatement shall be immediately effective from the date the order was issued. that ask the rule. you can move. i move that. [laughter]. i move to confirm the notice was properly begin based on the appellate not showing up we confirm the order of abatement from the date issued. >> second. >> yes. >> is this amending >> this is amending -- not is adding. >> adding a second motion. >> yea. >> okay this is a second motion as stated by commissioner alexander-tut. >> second. >> and do a vote on that. vice president new nan. >> yes >> commissioner alexander-tut. >> yes. >> commissioner meng. >> yes.

>> commissioner shaddix. >> yes. >> commissioner williams >> yes. >> that motion carries unanimously. >> we are now on to 69092455 j. owners and appla korman. nancy ryti. action requested by appellate. appellate appeals the june 28, 22 order of abatement and assessment of costs requesting the order of abatement and assessment of cost reversed and with drawn with prejudice for a number of reasons. >> department has to come forward. >> thank you. now we will move to the second case for today the second aab appeal case on today agenda. his report on behalf of the housing inspection service for

appeal case number 6909. this property the address is 2455 jackson street plot 0606. lot number 024. [inaudible]. the property consists of 4 store wood frame building for residential use in with 5 unit. a case view 3 years ago in 20 ton dbi inspection receive a complaint from a public member about dangerous condition resulting from the further maintenance slow progress on unpermitted remodeling work and building material. falling from the upper level of the building in the adjacent property. building has been vacant.

violation include the property maintenance and authorize repair and remodel. construction and material piled up in the back for a lengthy time. the condition deferred a public new sans [inaudible] condition. on this premesis and extending to the adjacent property. permit activity. all housing inspection evaluation remain outstanding with no permit to comply today. staff recommendation. housing inspection staff found that the building violation was the life and health hazzards to the occupant of the 2 adjacent building. dbi recommend the order of abatement be upheld including all the costs incurred by the building department. >> that conclude my

presentation. i have additional information. i can provide it later. thank you. >> thank you. imspecter the appellate mr. korman or mrs. ryti or a representative available to speak? >> check online? familiar there is the appellate or appellate's representative online please press star 3 to unmute yourself. no hands. like to read the statement again that for the record notice of this hearing was begin to the appellate in a timely manner. and those written notices are

available online on the abatement appeal's board website. okay. is there public comment? on 2455 jackson? i'm charles ward. i live at 2461 jackson street which is right next door to the property. we are a three unit condominium building. i lived there since 1977. for the last 30 years, we had to deal with mr. korman and his mismanagement of his building. i'm not surprised that he is not here to represent himself because he is someone who did sd not believe he needs to follow

the rules. i'm here to ask you to please uphold this order, you see that it goes back to at least 20 ton. i have been living with it for the last 30 years. the bottomed being has not been occupied for at least 20 years. he has a sign on the building advertising apartments for rent. but it is not for that apartment. uses that to buy people to call to refer them to other properties. that he owns. there must be some rules for■p advertising signs and residential neighborhoods. have to take thelm sign down, t. our neighborhood is full of large homes. often referred to mansions. dozens of the homes have been changed hands over the last 30 years multiple times some of

them of most times they are renovated. our place was renovated taken down to the stud in 2004. it took 9 months to■l renovate e place every occupy it. the large homes have been renovated over and over again while korman's place deteriorates and deteriorates and deteriorates. last thing i thought i would do is come to cityl to complain about a neighbor and the way they keep the property and intrefr with property rights. here i am and i'm requesting that -- you give us relief because we have been living with it for too long. thanks. >> thank you. is there additional public comment? remote or in person? there is one hand raised.

caller you are unmuted. thank you, commissioners i'm marie carr at 2447 jackson street i'm the building to the east of bob korman's building. and i apologize i'm not there in person like charles i have a baby and a 5 year old daughter. we are the 5 years we lived in our unit have been unable to open the windows to the bedroom. any bedrooms along the wall that shares the build with bob corp man's building fear of debee fall nothing our children's window and their room. the roof has very hazzard us materials. i don't know how they have not tipped over yet. cannot sleep at night it has

been a nightmare. mr. korman has no interest in taking care of his own building but no interest in taking care of the neighbors as well. at the end of the day this is absolutely not a model project. this is jokingly, the winchester mystery house. the pet project mr. korman's and abandons, which in violation of city rules as far as multiunit building being abandon. pigeons inside. health issues. but the least this notice of abatement need to be upheld, please. thank you. >> thanks for your comment. additional public comment? >> there is in additional public comment and as the spate not present i would like to

state for the record that the commissioners have a copy of this notice of abatement appeal's board hearing. it was mailed korman family trust nancy ryti 345 sacramento sfreet number 12 for. sacramento, california 94118. this was done on september 5, 20 tor. and the notice was also posted on the building. commissioners have any deliberation or questions of staff? >> this is more of a statement for the commissioners and the department, this may be a good litigation committee candidate. may be we will make note of

that. >> thank you. if there is no further comments is there a motion? >> i make the motion that this is properly noticed and the appellate failed to appear and therefore the original abatement and assessment or the appeal is denied and the uphold the -- order of abatement and associated fines. >> second. >> okay there is a motion by commissioner alexander-tut and second by commissioner shaddix. >> the for the record the motion is to confirm that notice was properly given to the parties and that the appeal be denied and the order of

abatement and the assessment of costs upheld? >> thank you. i would do a roll call on that motion. [laughter]. vice president nuemann. >> yes. >> commissioner alexander-tut. >> yes. >> commissioner meng. >> yes. >> commissioner shaddix. >> yes. >> commissioner williams. >> yes. >> the motion carries unanimously. thank you. next we have d. general publiccomment. members of public may address the board on matters within the juriiction that are not on today's agenda. speakers shall address remarks to the board as a whole and not individuals. >> any. any in person? or remote please press star 3 to raise your hand. okay.

seeing none, next is e, adjournment. is there a motion to adjourn >> moved. >> come to the microphone,y ma'am. we just heard that case. we heard that case. we heard the case this meeting agendized 9:30 a.m. the meeting was agendized to begin at 9:30 a.m. >> i was in the wrong room. i was downstairs. she was in the wrong room.

what shall we do. as of now we the board has made a decision. i was going to ask vice president nuemann to guide us here. [laughter]. i feel as though we already -- other folks on the board feel. i personal low feel as though we have already heard we heard made