start and it's gone, it will take the entire living space, it is not a time line where you have five minutes, 20 minutes to respond to a fire, you have a minute to get to a fire and that's practical under any circumstance. this is what they were presented with, they had ng the exposures. but in the other end, you see the wires in the picture to the left. one of them is the, the service to the house and that's the heather head connection. so when the fire touched the heather heck connection, the wires came down on the first driving truck. so now they have the potential for live wires right in the area of operation, so the second alarm was there to get everybody on scene and then resources are dedicated, we

have what we call a rapid intervention company so a rick, they were dedicate today making sure that nobody touched the apparatus and touched the fire and that takes some of our typical response units out of play and second alarm. but the fire went out quickly, no injuries, and then i outsourced my power point. so you get the best pictures from the power point. so the 104 class, they're a wonderful class. but they were coming to the end of their program. and here's some fun pictures and i think teresa just wanted to make sure that there was a picture hektering and then nirt had a big month for october. this is time for their city wide drill and city wide drill was fantastic this time.

but it also had the added, bonus of through commissioner nakajo's relationship with the japanese consul, there were a lot of representatives there and as we discussed at the last meeting, the chance to have a small conference symposium with the service. so this relationship between nirt which did start with chief brown, and thank you for giving it a little boost, it continued through the nert program and spanish speaking and our intent as time goes on is to expand our language offerings so that the entirety of the city has the opportunity to participate in the nert. at least that's up and running and that will continue to

expand and that's the end of the slide presentation. the two that didn't make the slide presentation for the purposes of beautiful picture is the fire marshal and investigation. the fire marshal currently is sistering --assisting with h-4 and inspect or test grading. so that process is moving forward and we will active list and be able to fill the ranks of the bureau fire prevention. in his instead, assistant fire marshal is here, if we have any questions for fire prevention she is available. i will also say that the fire marshal has announced his retirement. we don't have an affective date but we have advertised for the commission, i just wanted break the news, don't cry but the

fire marshal has announced his retirement. and things are moving at pace at the airport. things that chief darcie would like me to report is they've had an opportunity to hire and fill their training role so. they're back on track with these administrative functions and the airport continues to move based on leadership that will be occurring. so we don't anticipate any problems and yeah, i'm going to end it there, that's the end of my report. >> oh. >> i do not see anyone on the public comment line and i do not see anyone approaching the podium. >> there is one. >> oh pardon me. >> okay, if you can approach

the podium. s public comment would be on the report that was just presented sir. you will have three minutes, your three minutes will appear here. you may start when i tell you to. >> hi everyone, i'm john this is my partner we're here representing our firm suit of power which does a solar and batteries in san francisco. we represent one in every ten projects as of 2024. we want nothing more than to be

in line with the new fire balt on and the requirements of sffd. but we would in perhaps a close session or in some other venue like to express some concerns about the way concern policies have been implemented recently. as it has significantly impacted our business, that's pretty much all i have to say, thank you very much for your time. >> sutro power, yeah. and thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> is there any more public comment? >> i do not see anyone approaching the podium and i do

not see anyone on the public comment line. >> thank you, madam secretary. >> thank you for your report at this time is there any questions. >> i was curious on reading your report on the section pertain to go nert. reading the last paragraph where there were challenges a couple which seem to be hardware, software, challenges and one where you were saying only 50 percent that sign up for nert training actually appear. can you give us some context for all of that? in other words, can we solve the challenge and is that acceptable that 50 percent of people appear are those related to the ability to communicate adequately? with what nert is offering us,

just curious. >> yeah, thank you for the question. i would put these two into different buckets. we'll definitely have to work on message being because i know there is a backlog for nert. so the interest is very high and half of the people for any given offering are going to become available, that kind of reduces our ability to move through the backlog. so that's something that is in the report because we're trying to address it and then the saft ware issues, this is a second time i believe this has been in the report. so we're, we're going to move forward with i.t. and find a solution for it and obviously when the question is money, at times are tight, i can't guarantee it will be quick but we will address it. >> thank you. >> thank you.

thank you, chief for your report really interest zing. i feel a little bit like forest gump because i was on 22nd street when that fire was happening. and this is a complicated older wooden building next to a complicated older wooden buildings, so congratulations on that, that looked really tough and i saw what they did what they bought it and started making all the little residential cells for the various monk that's were in there, that's just amazing. and then, i had a question about the fire on the 31st, where you and th win the report, the pg&e and everybody had to wait and for them to do whatever they do to the power linesed. thank goodness, nobody was injured. i know that's probably routine but i'm trying to understand is it a difficult time to wait? what happens?

>> it can be. so on a night where there is not a wind event, pg&e is very very quick, our chief thompson is here, if he would like to speak to it. the reason, pg&e is requested is just the liability of us throwing breakers and switch on power poles, it's not a new task. it's just down to us, creating a cordon and se■ugrcuring the a. that hazard wouldn't expand we just have to address that hazard, it's addressed and mitigated. >> i think it's great that pg&e is involved. i'm having some poles replaced on my street and it's just a mess on top of the poles so it makes perfect sense that they're the ones to untangle

that during a fire event. >> if they're watching, the pg&e linemen arrive and work, it's interesting to see somebody is going about their business while a business fighting the fire continues and they're kind of parallel projects, pulled it off the truck it would be a bigger deal for us. >> that's amazing, thank you congratulations on getting those fires handled. thank you. >> thank you, commissioner fraser. is there any more questions? go ahead commissioner. >> thank you very much, president morgan. thank you chief just a couple of comments, couple of questions, and the comment and i'll take the easier ones first in the sense of shorter items.

in terms of, bureau fire prevention and thank you for sharing the news of the fire marshal retirement which is significant and appreciation in terms of all the work that fire marshal has done. i also appreciate the preparation of fire bureau, i just wanted to make references because periodically, i do, in the report but on page 19, page 20-21, in that particular order of any particular question, i made comments on how improved a reports are, chief. and it helps when we look at 19, the tasc monthly update, you want to remind me or commissioners again what tafc is, and i know we have an index but i didn't have time to look at it.

>> yes, it's a transportation committee -- --. >> also in page 21, the titles mta projects, community project, adu these sections just kind of emphasize how much work occuring in that particular department. so i just wanted to comment on that chief. i also basic rewanted to take advantage to moving a subject matter and perhaps vice president question may be answered as well. cause i see that chief thompson is in attendance this morning and i appreciate not only the written rert but your narration in terms of it. and chief thompson is present

in terms of the second alarm, i kind of want to if i can through the chief cd1 and cd2 have chief thompson come up here and narrate a little bit in terms of his perspective, this is a three-page report with photos and this narration is really good, because it basically runs from the first alarm to the second alarm when trunk companies come and it's very complex. >> he's shy, so are you sure you want to come up here? >> i'm going to acknowledge that well if you can come up here at the end of the debriefing, i want to know with this new core or younger core of firefighters that members how that affective that is and they're finding out my question but maybe you can address his

question on pg&e. >> it was nice to call me young, i will tell on him before he tells the report, he wrote it in the airport. >> okay. >> thank you, chief. chief? >> good morning, everyone. president morgan, vice president fraser, ms. collins. >> so you're trying to find out what i'm trying to find out from your perspective. what would you like to know? >> well you're the chief and as the engines arrive and there is a decision being made front entrance is not an entrance, it st* just from the truck that comes in? is theres the second alarm that goes, there is a decision made, there is a possibly rescue, the emphasis of that rescue. and these are the members of these trucks and engines that i'm just again, taking advantage of you being here to hear your narration of again,

the action in terms of the performance of our members in terms of this pressure fire but also, i want to hear something about the debriefing and concept. and also taking into consideration the time, what was the second alarm? and the comment that if it was later in the afternoon, there would have been in injury injuries if not death. chief? >> right, okay, thank you. so started off interestingly because as chief said, we were at the mer tory ceremony so i was at the basement at the time when it came in. first crews got on scene, within three minutes which was great but i was sort of playing catch up because i was further away than i normally would have been and i was also working division 3 and i'm usually in division 2.

first of all, moab wants a church fire, church fires, we're going to be there for two days. and the wind was pushing it away from the church. first engine does our normal go in the front door and what happens was, the front door was very heavily barricaded and we spent a fair amount of time working trying to force the front door. so while that was going on, the smartly took an exterior line which we don't normally. we grabbed a 150 ready line and directed on the outside of the building. we're so inside out that for us to put out fire exterior does not really happen. in this case, it was pivotal to stop the church from being on fire.

so that's the take away, even though it looked strange to shoot water outside the building, we were trying all aspects to get inside the building. the top roof on the third floor is a very small roof so when we put our aerial ladder up, there was not a lot of room. they were working sort of from the ladder and in zero visibility because there was so much smoke. and in general, we had a because of the way the building was cut up, we ended up with chief as fire tech on the top floor, we sent battalion 6 and 2 inside to run the second floor. so i had one chief on the top floor and one chief on the second floor. and after that, the big take aways we had, were the building construction was just strange

inside and as chief said, we had tons of bunk beds that were bolted to the floor and wall and we have to open all of those walls. so to open the walls we had to cut the beds away to open the wall so. a lot of it was just walking through afterwards and talking about how the fire ran from exterior. so it sort of started on a roof and then ran up a wall and then entry and then ran up another wall and then through the attic. so just walking through what a fire does, was interesting. >> anything else? >> tlfls a question in your question about how good the new generation of firefighters are in in agency. >> how good they were?

>> everybody did a really great job. and i'm one of those people who is really a stickler for communications, radio traffic, being able to reach people. and it's probably the best radio communications i've ever had on a fie ground, everybody heard me, everybody that i want today talk to got back to me. chief ken is not here to take any credit from radio but in general, the crews did a great job, everybody was as fearless as you would expect them to be and as aggressive as would you want them to be. and everything, everything really happened well. so i don't have any complaints, but everybody did a great job. the debrief, we mostly talked about the issues like if you have a hard time getting into a door, make sure you look for a second or third way in. and we talked about

construction. >> did you want him to address that question. >> in general, he was exactly right and it's one of those things where the more that is going on in the city, the longer it takes to get tl. i'm no expert in electricity and i'm very happy to stand far from it. so they help us, sometimes we want to take the building completely off grid so we're safe. so in general as long as nothing else is going on in the city, if it's a windy or it's really rainy or bunch of trees down, we're just going to wait and that's just how it works. >> thank you. >> sure. >> i had one question chief thompson, on this particular address or incident, how many entryways to this property were there?

you said the front property was blocked off? >> yeah. >> what did that lead on the property as far as entryways. >> so if you see the front door, i don't know if you can see the front picture, but there is a garage door, we always have a garage door but always hard to force. next there is a door that lead to the middle and to the second floor and on the bravo side, on the left side there is a tradesman that lead to the kitchen. a lot of ways in. >> was there a logical explanation why the front door was blockaded. >> they didn't use it. and they probably had not used that in a decade and everything was piled up >> i hate to throw them under

the bus but are they going to face fines. >> there were ways in, just not the ones that we expected. >> okay. ?ment i have one question, i head this incident with such care, it was so strange. how do you blow a front door off its hinges? >> you beat on it, that's honestly whatthey did, they took actions, --axes, they do the oftens side where the hinges are, so you blow the hinges out of the wood. >> it's usually day three at the tower that they have you do

fun stuff like that. >> can you educate me, what is balloon construction? >> it means when there is structural members like cuds in the wall that they run the length top to bottom without fire stops. so normally, have you horizontal piece that's will stop, that will burn out. so with the construction, you can have the fire and run the entire wall. so that's just becomes much more important to open, you know to ripa part the entire wall. >> yeah. >> thank you for that. very gaotd report and really great fire fighting. >> yes, everybody did a great job, for sure. thanks. >> you guys are the best. >> so at this time is there any more questions for chief?

i just want to commend all the chiefs that worked on the fires and did such a great job on putting them out. without the obstacles on the your way, commander chief, and thompson and william for doing an excellent job on these fires and putting them out in efficient timing so i want to commend the chiefs and all the companies that participated, great job. best fire department in the country. >> yup. >> great pictures too, i like the pictures. thank you, chief. yeah. >> >> report from ems and community

paramedicine divisions.

>> president morgan vice president, feinstein, and collins, secretary, chief tong, fellow command staff, i'm xhaoef simon pang of paramedicine. i'm going to have a timer here and i'll see we may have to pause so we can all file

outside and applaud the recruits as they run by. >> okay my report for october the first. first report by deputy chief tim maloy, generally stayed the same. there is been some ups and down of various data elements but generally, there are no unusual trends. i do want to point out that in the month of october, our call volume did go up and we are on target for about 130,000 ems engagement annually. that is an increase of about 10,000 from last year.

the other thing i want today point out is our market share has been steady. we want it at 80 percent so we're just shy of our target goal and i think that with a little bit of adjustment we can make that 80 percent mark. also narcan use has gone up a little bit since last month but still trending down and this is reflective of the national average as well. nationwide, opioid overdoses have been decreasing. there are a lot of there is a lot of speculation about why that is but nobody knows for sure.

our cardiac arrest data again, generally consistent. i want to point out that for the month of october we had 100--cardiac arrest that represents all the people who have nearly died or died in the city, that's about four per day. i want to bring that up. so i everybody has a understanding of job of our emts that means four times per day our members are confronted with life and death situations. it's very difficult it leaves a moral injury but it's what our members train for and ready to do. one thing that is notable here is that if you see under the column of shockable rhythm, there are only four. what that means there is still a lingering amount of

electricity in their hearts that would be that would be viable to electric defriblation that means 7 of the people of our members got pulses back, that got their lungs breathe again, they were found without without viable electrical activities. so this is a testament of our team work of our members, and our firefighters and rescue captains are the team leaders during a resuscitation, so it takes a lot of effort for this to occur, you can see in most of these cases end in death, it's a grim and challenging work but our members are trained for this and they're

doing a really good job. here are two examples one of cardiac arrest that ended successfully and another one that could have been a cardiac arrest but our members managed to get the person the care. the first one was a case on martial beach where there is elderly gentleman you see him right in the middle, he was down at the beach and startd feeling unwell. 9-1-1 was called and we had engine 51 and one of our ambulances respond, our

paramedic chief recognized that the person was having a very serious cardiac event. our department members had to carry this person up a very steep hill in the waiting light and our paramedic and his partner, they worked rapidly and treated him and transported him rapidly and got him into a cast lab and that person recovered and wanted to meet the members so here we are. the other incident was at the roadery club award at the nicko hotel and our members eric soto and jose hernandez were recognized for some excellence work a young man in his 30s, in full cardio arrest, eric soto one of our veteran paramedic found himself the only paramedic on scene for an extended amount of time, he himself intubated and started iv and defibrillator lated this person 7 times, the person had a return of spontaneous circulation upon arrival

hospital and walked out of the hospital neurologically in tact alive and well. it's an astounding outcome. also in october, we had a small ceremony for one of our friends, jason cortez was he long time member of 49, as a paramedic and cross trains station 3, he loved his station 3 that was his home and four years he died during a training exercise and just to provide closure and our members can remember him, a small plaque, he was dedicated to his family and giants fan. some of his colleagues are from station three also came to 49 for the event. on october 25th, the latest cohort 7 of the 9910 intern

program, finished their in classroom training and orientation. these 11 members are now in the field completing 500 hours on ambulance. now in order to qualify for the inat ther ship program with our department you have to graduate from city cmt, it's a nonprofit founded by our former assistant marshal, addica, they have received a number of grant from the dream keepers initiative. and they provide at-risk youth emt training and from my observation and my experience, every member that i have met that comes from the cmt program is highly trained and ready for the job. once you finish, you can apply for the 9910 program.

once you finish the 9910 program now you have the requirement necessary to apply for work for our department. it does not mean they get n they have to compete with all the other candidates through our selection process but now we have over 20 individuals that started with city emt that are members our department. this is a collaboration with with our department and this is equity in action. we do want to get to a place where our membership reflects the people that they're serving in san francisco. >> okay, now i'm switching over to the community paramedicine report. this is prepared by april sloan, i would like chief sloan to stand up so everything can get a good look at her because you will get to know april sloan she well. she is completed her 18th year in our department.

and in 2016, then captain sloan and i inrig rated the em6 program, we started witha cell phone and empty room and one of the oldest vehicles in our department, it squeaked as it rolled. and we didn't know what we were doing. we learned the job, chief has been our operations chief, she gets things done. she is undisputed subject matter expert for complex behavioral cries in our city. thank you chief sloan, please sit down.

now nemesis stands for national ems information system. pretty boring, right? it's a nationwide data element that all ems agencies have to adhere to. this is the data that we all collect uniform alley. now why is chief mason on this? because he has been roteding on --recognized on a national level that he's a change maker. why is this important? let me give you some examples of this. there are three data elements. one is homelessness, every agency in the nation tracks homelessness differently. are they homeless and sheltered or homeless and sheltered.

how many days? how many weeks? everybody does it differently. overdoses, was there bystander narcan given? because the rhode island idea left? nemsis we have to record but it's same medication with one small variation, we have our members reporting something that is inaccurate because we have to, because there is no choice. so having chief face on this is going to improve for data accuracy and equity. also in october, we met with members of the public health. with members of government

performance lab and also members of the m-tack. stands for medical training and technical assistance team. and why we met with them is because chief mason has been helping our department qualify for medical funding for behavior response. annually we should be receiving from medical about 3 million dollars, right now we're not receiving anything. now this is a very very complicated process. first of all, we need the support and accept approval of the health department. it's going to mean that our community paramedics have to take 30 hours of additional training, it's going to mean that our community paramedics currently--shall we take a break and head out?

i think we should. >> okay. >> so at this time, the commission will be taking a brief recess to greet recruits in front of h-2. members of the public attending the meeting are welcome to join the commissioners in front of h2. this be recording will be paused during this time because no commission business will be discussed or action taken while the commissioners greet recruits. the meeting will resume in approximately 20 minutes. webex will remain on but participant will vacate the room to greet the recruits as well. thank you. we now reconvene in open session and continue with chief

pang's report. >> okay, i am deputy chief simon pang. and continuing, this is a big lift for us. again we're talking about having our street crisis response team funded by medical and up to now, it's chief mason by himself meeting weekly with members of the health department to try to get this done but we're part of the latest cohort of the harvard performance lab and their task is to assist us in project managing this. we don't have a time line it's very difficult and the end tack team which is a team that is contracted through state

federal too get over the finish line. chief mason has been meeting them virtually and on the phone. there is different degrees of support from these various groups. we got them all in one room together. they did ride along with our teams, they were impressed. we had lunch with them, we don't know where chief sloan went when this photo was snapped. but now everybody pulling in the same direction. so this is a step forward. and here again is the rehash some of our key performance indicators for our community paramedicine teams. i really want to call attention to the street overdose response team. it's not indicated on the graph but i wanted to take some time to talk about some resent changes we've done. we've i iterated and in

mid-september the overdose response team which had been on the response pattern for overdoses, we recognize that, it was not as affective as we wanted it to be. so we removed them from the response pattern. they can still be requested but now focus on hospital in reach and focused on people who have had multiple overdoses. and from what we know from dr. seven the greatest indicator of dying from an overdose, is having survived one. now they're tasked with finding those people. and getting them into care. now what has happened since then, we have found that the

month of october we've increased our engagements. the previous two months we've had about 100 engagements. this month we had 129. starts about the same but there are something called scope, scope stands for, i had to write down chief sloan, it is a low barrier program for people with opioid use disorder. so the last two to three months we've had three referrals in october, we had 21. so we are iterating in the right direction and i'm very proud of this change. something else happened in october, we had an ems town

hall. we had about 70 people attending, it was good. our members spob about their number one concern which is violence in the workplace. we know that violence towards our members happens everyday. we do not want our members to think that is normal or acceptable. in september, i believe we had 16 reports of violence in the workplace. in october we had 11. now when we do good job of is cal-osha reporting, that we have our members complete. but what we can do better is making sure that our members file a police report. we want them to file a police report and even though it rests on the member to decide, we

strongly encourage them to press charges. and our city, what that means is our individual member has to do a citizens arrest unless the assault is viewed by a police officer. so that's a lot of responsible on our members and a lot of our members feel like i was assaulted but it was my job or this person was mentally ill or this person did not know what we're doing. we need to get to the point where the perpetrator are accountable and that's my number one priority right now. chief did not have a photo of fire marshal ken kofn but i do. so in fleet week, i had, fire marshal coffin and i had the honor of taking a is he

kaoerkski sta tan i --stallion from the scc step away from top gun here, i would say that was an experience that i'm glad i had and i never need to do again. this helicopter is grind', it is absolutely filthy and oil drips on your head from above. here you see the back door, you can see us passing the golden gate and here we here we are on the deck that is the helicopter that we just des embarked from and thank you. happy to answer any questions. that is.

>> i do not see anyone approaching the podium and if you would like to make public comment on web wex, you would press star-3 to raise your hand and this would be to make public comment on the agenda items that have been presented so far. i understand interest might have been some technical difficulties. and let me check the public comment line. it appears that there is one person on the public comment line.■< let me unmute. hello caller? are you here to make public comment? >> speaker: yes i am.

>> you have three minutes to make public comment. i would like to let you know that you have three minutes to make public comment and i will let you know when your time begins and at 30-second mark i will also give you a warning. so let me begin your time and your time starts now. >> speaker: good morning, if you can get a chance to raise their hands for public comment and not just skip through very quickly. i had my hand up during the general public comment and skipped over. i attempted to inquire via email yesterday and got not response. one, why is the meeting not at city hall? the audio is extremely difficult to hear and i cannot hear anything that the

commissioners are saying only the secretary. this change makes it very difficult for public to participate in the transparent process. i also encourage to you ep hold transparent and release the recording of the sunshine task force which is to release mccroy's, if you're all calendaring why do you need to assert attorney-client privilege? it's clear not to turn mr. mark will hecroys video that you're discussing the cases before hearing the evidence. i implore you all to vote for transparency today and disclose

mark will hecroy's video. thank you. >> thank you. i see one more caller on the public comment line. let's welcome the caller. caller, do you hear me? you're on the public comment line? >> yes, i hear you. my name is. >> you will have three minutes to make public comment. let me set the timing. and at 30 seconds i will give you a prompt, your time begins now. go ahead. >> speaker: good morning, i'm calling to speak on the mark lecroix as well. i'm premature retired san francisco fire department almost three years ago due to

the inconstitutional mandate. i believe the fire commission should honor the sunshine ordinance task force find to go release the tape of close door session of mark lecroys' hearing. with those with nothing to hide, do not hide anything. the truth is rolling now and it cannot be stopped. may i humbly suggest to get on board and release the tape. thank you. >> thank you, caller. >> i will check if there is anymore callers on the caller line. okay, if there are anymore

public comments to be made on the chief report you may do so by raising your hand from webex. okay, i do see two more callers. three more callers but i believe it needs to believe public comment pertaining to the chief's report. so to all the remaining callers on the public comment line, to clarify we're talking public comment on the chief's report, there will be an opportunity to make public comment on items pertaining to the closed session. so if you are on the public comment line, to make public comment about the chief's

report please remain with your hand raised, otherwise, you may lower your hand to make public comment for items not pertaining to the chief's report. okay. i will unmute you. caller are you able to hear me? >> speaker: yes, i can. i can make a comment on closed session. >> public comment for this section will be pertaining to the chief's report. do you have a public comment for pertaining to the report. >> speaker: understood, i'll keep my hand raises and make

comment regarding the close session please. >> thank you, i will mute you for now. >> thank you for your clarification, madam secretary. we'll stay on protocol here. is that it for public comment? >> yes, i do not see anyone else approaching the podium at this time. we can move on to the next item. item number 5. vote on whether -- ~>> chief pang. >> pardon me yes, we will take questions. >> u, madam secretary. >> my apologies. >> and you have conclude, chief pang? we're going to leave it up to questions from the fellow commissioners. is there any question for chief pang? i know commissioner fraser has

a few. >> i'll keep it brief, it's a very interesting report. congratulations on pursuing that medical funding, that is a very important thing and of course we desefb it for the work that is being done, 130,000 calls, four per day, that's important to keep in mind for the safety health and well being of all of our members. you mention the morale injury possibility. my own work as a nurse i understand that on a level on some level i should say. and it's important to keep talking about it, there is no immediate solution other than to keep talking about it and allowing it to be a normal thing as part of our everyday conversations with each other. so i appreciate that. also, marshal beach, i know that client, oh my god,

congratulations on that rescue, that's incredible. sxl wreck fire fighter cortez, i remember that day, i was not on the commission when it happened but i remember the day that it happened and i appreciate that he's been memorialized on station number 9. yeah, that's great. and also thank you everybody for bringing the cadet's recruits in front of our meeting and that was meaningful to me i know to all of us. yeah, it's very touching to thank you. thank you chief. thank you for your report. just a few comments short. one i wanted to reenforce the

president in terms of the reimbursement of medical. very important. terms of the department in terms of trying to recoup some revenue source. to me it's two-level, not only direct but revenue source and impact of the program, ems6 as such. i appreciate in this program, in terms of the paramedicine and ems-6 be open to evaluating services and impact. so i just really wanted to rei am force that. --reinforce that. i always pay attention to the police presence on scene. when you talk about what the pa are medic and emts signed up for and what they face even in terms of their deaths per day

in san francisco but also the kinds of responses in terms of what is required, often times we on our phone, it's a gunshot wound, it's a stabbing, there is an accident and it's our members who have to respond. and i often think about how do our members react. is know professionally they're suppose to be reacting in terms of the services but the toll that must take on a daily basis, basically in terms of this is what you signed up for this is what you trained. the other thing that comes up is violence. so one of the things that i was curious about, you don't need to answer it today. i know there was an attack on one of the paramedic on the ambulance maybe a month ago, it was reported out. it was nothing reported out beyond that.

recently, dpw folks and this is again, ties in to our report that you had about the street crisis for me the overdose team, excuse me is the realistic affects of the sweeps, as folks get swept up, those that don't accept housing and remain out there, to me, i use the term acute and again, it shows up in terms of where you're reported in terms of the overdose team, because i'm looking at where are these members of our public, where are they now? if they're not in the tenderloin or in certain street sweeps where are they showing

up? and in terms of all of that, we still need to respond. again, i wanted to put this, because when i look at the report, i look at the increased numbers or anticipated numbers on street crisis team, there is the month of october and there was an increase and for me the question becomes, is it about october that creates this increase. not a monthly but in terms of comparison there is an increase and again for me it's impact. so i just wanted comment as a commissioner who reviews and reads these various reports and in terms of, so it's not particularly any particular question, the question that i had was only one question on page, i guess i got it wrong, there is not a number cal page

on here. erical page on here. so is that is a my comment is my long question. thank you for the question. call for service which includes calls that we were canceled on or calls that we could not locate the individual. the second chart and i see it here that the the title of it was on different pages so it may not have been carried over. that is the more significant table. and what it shows is that 24.74 percent of the time, 25

percent, 25 percent of the time, one out of four times when our community paramedics meets somebody we're able to get them to an alternative destination, that is the care that is most appropriate for them, that is not a hospital. that is our goal standard, that's what we're always trying to increase and one out of four is something i feel very proud of. >> thank you for that differentiation and i do see at the bottom of the page a title, if i would have lined it up, i would of had my answer. thank you very much. thank you mr. president. >> thank you, you mentioned overdose response team is going to concentrate on the hospitals, is that what you said? or instead of going out? >> the focus is, on individuals

who had multiple overdoses, so more than one overdose. so we have, we collect all the necessary data, we know who these individuals are. we still have the ability to attach ourselves to any 9-1-1 call and any paramedic emt or firefighters can request that to the scene if they think that they have somebody that wants change. but we really want our members to focus on multiple drug overdose and do what we call hospital in reach. go to the hospital, spend hours there, be thereupon discharge, try to advocate and influence the attending physician about where we can possibly send them to? can we send them to scope for people with overdose use disorder. from there, they can get into housing and they can start treatment.

>> thank you for the great report and the great work that you guys are doing and making advancements and you're educating yourself with the cardiac arrest issues and victims of that nature. very informative in your reports. thank you. >> you're very welcome. there is no more question for chief pang. >> we move on to item number 5. vote on whether to assert attorney-client privilege to confer with or receive advise from legal council regarding pending litigation and conduct item 67 in closed session, san

francisco administrative code section 67.10d, action. >> okay, at this point, i guess we will take public comment, madam secretary? >> okay, before i call for public comment. okay. >> just very quickly deputy, paul, there were two public comments that were out of order that pertained to this item and the commission it should be clear from the record that the commission will consider those public comments in the context of this item. >> duelly noted. >> so this would be for any public comment for all matters related to close section in

item 7, i see the three callers. let me handle the first caller. caller, do you hear me? >> speaker: yes, i do. >> are you ready to make a public comment on the item that was just presented, do you wish to make public comment on that item? >> speaker: okay, thank you. thank you everybody for hearing the public comment. >> so this is public comment for the agenda item that was just read. is that what you wish to make public comment on? >> speaker: line 7 close session. >> so you will have three minutes once i start your timer, i will let you know, you will receive a warning at 30 seconds left. you may begin now. >> speaker: good morning, thank

you again for taking my public comment. with regards to close session, this is regarding engineer mark lecroix and the procedure progress that he made in order to get through the sunshine ordinance tasker force . i'm just asking the commission to consider not going into closed session to show maximum transparency and goodwill towards the procedure al progress of what is going on in the case of sunshine ordinance regarding engineer mark lecroix showing exemplary, he's an amazing individual who has humbly done everything that can he can in order to figure out

what happened regarding losing his position as an engineer and the effects of it. so it would be appreciated if the fire commission can remain transparent to the public just to clear the minds of anything how it's going to gone down and how it's going proceed. with that, i'll go ahead and end my time but i sincerely ask humbly that the fire commission proceeds in public so that there is no question from the public on how they're conducting business. thank you. >> thank you, caller. >> there is another public comment. callr with you hear me?

>> speaker: i can. >> if you wish to make a public comment. on item number 7, is that correct? >> that's correct. you will have three minutes, i will prompt you when the three minutes begin. and give you a 30-second warning. your time begins now. >> okay, thank you. it is mark lacroix former senior. it's been a year with sunshine task force where the sunshine ordinance for this close session from january 12, 2022 that was noticed in disciplinary in separation cases. in the fire commission's defense they wrote a letter head to the sunshine ordinance task force that they're discussing members separations during this close session.

the sunshine task force determined that there were violations of the sunshine ordinance that took place in the session and they ordered the record to be made public. so that's what you're voting on today, i do believe. i would like to read from the government guide one short paragraph it's under rules of commissioners and vs to do with quasi judicial proceedings. quote, commissioners should not talk about orders commissioners should make their decisionses on the basis as evident presented them rather than the views their fellow commissioners. so the commissioner admitted that they were talking about member separations well before the separations hearings was presented. i would like to like to read

rule one of your rules of order. open meeting policy it is the policy that the policy conduct to open in public meetings consistent with the brown act and sunshine ordinance. so here, your first rule which i'm assuming there is reason why it's rule number one, it says that you're going to comply with sunshine ordinance and conduct all official business consistent with that ordinance. now in violation of the sunshine ordinance and requested this record be public. please advise, sorry, please abide by your own policy and if you decide not to release the record please come back to the open session and right the authority. thank you. >> you have 30 seconds left. >> speaker: that is all, thank you.

>> callr with you hear me? >> yes. >> do you wish to make public comment related to close session item number 7? >> yes. >> okay, you will have three minutes and i will give you a warning at po seconds. your time begins now. >> speaker: it seems that the commission is in a pickle today, solely about calendarering as it was noticed and therefore there is no reason to comply with the sunshine task force order or the commission properly discussing the termination prior to hearing the evidence which would void each of the separations.

it's also very sewerous that the meeting was held in headquarters where there is no tv to record this session and also the audio is her under us, nobody can hear anything that is going on its all broken up and mumbled, i would like to say to the commissioners if they make the right choice and not withhold evidence potentially from mr. mark lacroix and other members from about three and a half years ago. thank you. >> thank you. i do not see anything approaching the podium and i do not see anything on the comment

line. >> thank you, madam secretary. >> i guess at this time, mr. >> president morgan we have to take a vote we need to go to close session for this particular item. >> oh yeah, my bad, all right. >> at this time, as far as item 7, is there a motion right now to address the topic of the close session i guess, fire fighter lacroix situation? >> just for the record, whether to assert the attorney-client

privilege or receive advise from legal town regarding pending litigation. >> okay, all right. so is there? >> motion. >> yeah. >> i move that we serve attorney-client privilege to con cer with our legal counsel regarding pending litigation in close session. >> i second that. >> we will take a vote. commissioner nakajo. >> aye. >> commissioner feinstein, how do you vote? >> aye. >> commissioner collins, how do you vote? >> aye. >> the motion passes. shall we move on to item 6? item 6 vote to whether to conduct item 8 in close session san francisco administrative

code section 67.10d action. >> yeah is there a motion to have this item. >> we will do public comment first? >> is there any public comment, madam secretary on that item? >> so this would be public comment for the close session. >> we have to do that now, 8, correct. >> this is deputy attorney-client, so we're having two close session so we're going to have a vote for each close session and then we will have to vote for each and then go into a close session that way we don't have to go in and out. >> i see somebody's hand is raised on the public comment line i will check to see if they have wish to comment. caller do you hear me? >> speaker: yes, i did.

>> comment on manage related to to close session in item 8? >> speaker: yes, you skipped me for item 7, i had my hand raised. >> okay, my apologies okay your public comment will be related to item 7, correct? >> speaker: correct. >> you have three minutes starting now. >> good moefrng, commissioners, mike lacoty *, former fire fighter of san francisco illegally fired for my religious believes. we watched this corruption from the get-go and you're being advised by the city attorney and everything falls under attorney-client privilege. so all the rule breaking and all the due process violations

and all the unethical and illegal collusion that you've done in darkness and secrecy leaves you open as commissioners, to liability person and when the ethics commission, after we win in court and the ethics commission finds out what you've done, you their ruling can have you band from city governments from serving the city government for five years. so you may be rolling your eyes and think that you're covered bit city attorney but what you do to us was criminal. now if you start doing the right thing, stop listening to the city attorney, because he's only protecting the city not you. you took an oath when you

accepted this opportunity to serve, you didn't take this position to protect illegal behavior. you did this to serve with ethics the public of san francisco. don't forget your role here. this is turned into a, a cya committee, not serving the public. start doing the right thing and stop going into dark secret rooms to conspire. dominos are falling all over the country, we're starting to win cases. i don't know if you're paying attention. but you were in the wrong what you did to us and the way you went about it. >> you have three seconds left, sir. >> speaker: her orrendous, wait

until a jury gets ahold of all of this. we documented everything. you're holding back evidence that a task force for the city said you were in the wrong, you need to produce it. we'll see what you do here, thank you. >> thank you. >> this is deputy city attorney, i hate to be hyper technical about things but assuming that the late comment was due to some mishap from this stand point, it would be the safest course of action for the commission to resinned its earlier vote in light of the fact that there was this public comment and after now having heard the public comment, redo

the vote. >> i don't know how that would fit in terms of you know, you're in the middle this other item but i think you should do that just so nobody can say that you took an action before the public comment on the matter was completed. >> are you referring to the second close session? or the first one? >> first. >> i'm referring to the first close session that had you the motion to serve the attorney-client privilege to go into close session and after that action was taken we found there was additional public comment. and if this was the fault of the commission, i don't mean to phrase it in a negative way, but the cautious favor approach will be to resinned the previous motion. and now that we heard the public comment, you redo the vote. that would be the cleanest way

to avoid argument that you took action before hearing the full public comment. >> thank you. >> made the motion, so i'll--make a motion to resinned --rescind the vote to whether to assert attorney-client privilege regarding pending litigation. >> and i will second that motion. >> president morgan how do you vote? >> i vote yea. commissioner nakajo how do you vote? >> aye. >> commissioner collins, how do you vote? >> yea.

>> the motion passes. >> so now revote whether to assert attorney-client privilege to indetective item 7 in close session. is there a motion? >> okay. i move that we assert attorney-client privilege to confer or receive advise from legal counsel recording pending litigation and conduct item 7 in closed session. >> who second? thank you, commissioner collins. we will take a vote. president morgan how do you vote? >> yes.

>> commissioner nakajo. >> aye. >> commissioner feinstein how do you vote? >> aye. >> the motion passes. >> now we will move on item 6. >> so which we didn't take care of that? >> that is to conduct item 8 in close session. >> i thought we did that. >> we went to public comment. >> so i would like to say if there is a motion to call item 8

, is there a motion? >> i move we conduct item 8 in closed session. >> second. >> i vote yes. >> hold on. commissioner nakajo. >> aye. >> commissioner feinstein. >> aye. >> the motion passes. 4 item 6 vote in close session. action. so we will now convene in closed session.

>> please turn on your microphone. >> thank you, thank you madam secretary. so the commission, decided to take a vote and that was on the january 20,--what date that? january 12th, on the january 12th close session item that went into close session and we decided to take a vote in favor of non disclosure. and the vote was unanimous. with all commissioners. okay, yeah, and the staff would--will notify the task

force of our decision on that matter of the close session vote from january 12, 2022. so that would be it on that matter. so next item. >> item number 9, vote to elect whether to disclose any or all discussion on the item number 7, held in closed session. san francisco administrative code section 67.12 a, action. so i will check for public comment. it appears there are callers on the public comment line. let me check if they have their hand raised. if you wish to make public

comment, please raise your hand by pressing star-3. okay, somebody has raised their hand. hello caller, do you wish to make public comment on item number 9? >> speaker: yes, i would please. >> you have three minutes starting now. >> speaker: hello mark lacroix as i made public comment before, what authority you have to withhold public comment, as they have ordered the document to be made public. thank you. >> thank you. if anyone wishes to make public

comment on the public comment line, please press star-3 to raise your hand. okay. i do not see anyone on the public comment line who has raised their hand. president morgan, i think we can move to the next item. >> we need to have a motion can a vote on item 9. >> so moved. >> i second. >> okay. commissioner feinstein, how do you vote? >> not to disclose. >> commissioner collins how do you vote? >> [indiscernible] motion passes.

item number 10, vote to elect whether to disclose any or all discussion on item number 8, held in closed session, san francisco administrative code section 67.12 a, action. i will check for public comment. once again, if you are on the public comment line, please raise your hand by pressing star-3. okay, i see one person raising their hand. hello caller, do you wish to make public comment on item 10?

i do not see anyone else on the public comment laoun or approaching the podium. --public comment line or approaching the podium. we can now get a motion to take a vote. [indiscernible] >> okay beinger commissioner nakajo, how do you vote >> >> to clarify that would be to not disclose the discussion on item 8. >> right. >> voice president fraser, you already seconded. commissioner feinstein, how do you vote? >> not to disclose. >> commissioner collins, how do you vote? >> aye. >> motion passes.

item 11, adjournment. meeting is adjourned at 12:47 p.m.

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