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see what happen or our officers told . and thi ince i've been here. i'm not saying it can happen, but that's not the issue. itt to make sure that wey the depart of the public andfficers as it relates to these specific t of incidents. that is the issue. all this other stuff issue. commissioner benedicto, than i to point i thinking in the back of my mind, andnt crystallized it nicely.his exemption, we talked about that, youor it to be removed and in concurrence, it had and weiwould be a lot ofssion was around sco even most, most critical incidmost major incidents. it would.< sliver of incidents. and in fact, i spoke, example of when you think this, the that it's a veryv8 limited exemio and it seems tme that that's at odds with the argument thatbe redacted becauserx exemption would be sou for very regularly, in which for the unit toou know, ave real concerns about the scope of theemptio discussed, which was very narroally inedible edgeto spot high be a huge administrati given thcidents tend to happen. y,

i think it can'ts aren't i mean, i maybe i'm not hearing - were talking about t the exemption, you were you wouldn't in for everyin do useincident? i remember our my notes. i actually wrote down notes during our conrsation oft- being. level of. i thinthe when i took that back to the to our, our team, it's like, let's"y follow existing dgo thato identifiess, calls. you know, those types of idents where there's goingbe a tactical to be a high risk of something not good happening. those are incidents that we're t about. so those do happen more often than you might think. they don't. all) because we have very few officerhoseion, but they areisvúer there th captains as t these type of decisionsad to do it as annversations are sensitive conversatiowe risking, even risking the ability for this to? because whev:ose? or we, youav o was told to do this.at c decision. but whose interests are we serving byor sensitive situations.2p the publicn,th this information close to out so we

cano ple that are subjects to these inciden why that that'su that' public's best interest yeah, i mean, when we spoke about using extraordinaring that language before it became i understood that youat again. like like we heard frçy majority of their tactics, don't consu knower of course, in the rare circumstances where there's something you wouldn't get out.alked about redact suitable remedy, becauseost, you know, most incidents wouldn't necessarily require a deactivation, even if this language were in thereor do you when we talk about incidgoing to be if we dodo it, absent some exing to there's l happening that w e are that we're speaking of today. and, yeah, that those ings will happen. so a very fe things result in a shoo know, past what happenede moment. but you know, a few of them do. so those i agree that, you know these just that they don't make it to the commission's level because most of them are outcomes.

i mean, i gue)nss my question be then would you expect that this ift draft werek thi, that most thingshat would meeton of major orctivgs that i just mentioned command post where they'reking you know, whatever nionsmmunnsrt they are make an entry orursoy're taou know, of tactical tools theyn need, but that's probably most of those instances.a little bit of a more fundamental gulf in what we see this exemption. that even in the universe of nmar cr to subset of those where rea how we're going at multiple times, likeaa you know, where eod involved and notnever there's a criticallking about entry tactics. i mean, it's not eve cca incident for instance, you have an hmt team goes out you got a barricaded suspect, you got. there's a lot of negotiations that goes on before we even get to, you know,ñ= the point where that door. we need breaw, if shots ar think people are being in there. yeah those discussions are happening. an awantot of times there's hours and hours thesea captain to command post for five o

her body worn camera on that. that to me is it doesn't san? for the0 officer might. weigh the balancesk= maybe in the wo group there might have been a dbecause they'r thinking of tactical, tactical decisions that they're making on the street. right? they're where we're thinking of communication at a command post. would, command posts when the president cohe fairmont do we want to have the body worn camera on at? and we're talking and entry for united states on video. now, that's notecret isn't going to want that. b posts all the time. we have command posts at pride that one at a com when making a decision. it's so it's mean, at pride we're larkin street. i'm going to have my body worn camera on. so both talkinl decisions that on the cornerhe they're going to approach a stolen vsuspect. i think there aredist post language in the cur the tactical deactivation language, would i mean, there some overlap there, but but we're talking about tactical communication thatl)t w 99% of the time happen at a command

pot tactical the dist dgo. so iissues why did tabin the deactivation exception to ñ9 if because the language that you have is muc broader. right. it's both.d post and it's the i'm sorry. it's both. butactical discussions wh bomb squad is talking about how do we , what do wewhatthings.e happeningt. there's the decision making. and if i'm running a command captain ahern is theres these tactical discussions, and then they come to the incidents is what we recommend. you know, and then there a discussion. okay. sounds like a it. th back on. one of the thingst yound i talked has to be temporary. the captains don't get to if they're ifional thinn. activated just like everybody else is. but when there, i mean, i don on body worn camera because a lotat's head when you're getting this informat is, there's a lot of back and forth these, in these discussions and particularly in a post is we try to position ourselves where we have time to think. you knowgj try to position ourselves where we have time discussions. it do interest that these are recorded, possibly made to be serve the interest like i'm saying

ther be a balance . what is the public's interest? it jeopardiznot jeopardize that, we're talkive things that. yeah it would be nice for people to hear if they want interested in what weo. and how wehs the benefit, in, that's that's then this. i appreciate that, chief. and i to weigh those things. i do think it's wor:zth noting that there one president gave is thatface administrative discipline there are other, you know there are broader policy benefits. just before thetord we talked about the very comprehensive report after the uvalde shooting incident thator both department and for other departments. i k my riden for officers to look it. and a lot of the comprelyrom that report were because they had footage that under this policy might not necessarily have been captured. it conversati tactical and one ofst department and lawere was transparenth% rep turn a little bit to the recording question, and i want to see if acting director talked earlier about how thean interview was qui o the current drafts on this topicssioner benedicto. so wait, sorry is atfis

on the. oh, i'm sorry. no, i'm on. oh. thank you. i asked her a question about recording, but izwf commissioner wants to go, we cans, i've been waiting.hank you very much. president. my question is that in regards to the body worny,ess, the command sffand in these critical situation and tactical situation being recorded, my, my question is but the people in command meetin#÷gs, would it be what you call, i guess, responsive right away or they're thinking back, well, it's going to be recorded and i'm going to hold, be these issues decisions at that at thaty& moment. ani wo critical situation where officers hg recordedld%ern is that they're going to be up on it, a worhatever comes, of it learning that we can have. my concern is that we keep the and making sure tma protect us, because once commits a crime that knows our policiesl, we'll use it my

concern, and i'll see what the chief have to say. yeah unfortunately, i think the answer is yes. and that's part of what the bureau of justice assistance or bja, in their modelat's on their mention that that it has a disruptera is these types of situations is a chilling effect.÷ but guessed these typesuyalking about there. second guessing the>r make people puluations, you definitely want i can see where officers would be. look, ihere officers would be hesitant we're talking about literalyou're going throu a process process out loudtalking through yourí. all that. sometimes what you're thinking may not be what we what we interact with. and i can because i see it now where it iting effect on officers bng candid when they need to be candid in these situ so when these incidentsphase, everything is on, all the cameras are on. but us talking rougheas off of each other., i venture to chilling effect because that's what the research shows policy. and just to up on regarding body worn cameran, ite commd staff. would

they have to file reports reports as well? the written report piece would follow the same protocols, but it would require the command equipped with the body worn cameras. and if we're involved inhow this policy lands, if we're involved in something that we'rens. you know, # it depends on what whatis. so say a captain camera for, i guess,+w a shift of eight ho and through. he w review that to write has that additi that. we cannot get back. and that's timco8. and looking at the budget that's coming this this coming year, i think we nd every te and time that we oicers on the street thank you. i'll now repeat my question to acting director to any thoughts on the on the interview process and on on the topic of viewing footage before you, commis benedict. i was not part of the working group, bu mr. jones was part of th and was that there should be an interview prior to any viewing camera, that ais the most appropriate posi# the flip side, as in my other role as a da, from the da's

office under prior administrations as well with miss tran that they1mpmi n what they' see o position they sh administrative interview prior to being able to see body worn camera. thank you. and you have decades of da experi for aging me. president elias saying that you were in several da in san francisco under senistrations, right? just just going to make one commentn onot incident issue. we didn't ask about that. know, but you know, it's hard for me asking about it so she can provideto pipe . i'mxactly the only iy department's position on that. i have some ong propo red. i don't understanity to make those decisions. is itiz i an incid think that it's broadly and that that i tonybody can can point to was a

critical incident. i turned offthatf you know, i'm comompr that can be crafted satisfy the chief's concern about officer t is not to be somethingt actualeone from an incident command who says tis d purposesso that's my only concern about thelanguage is the broadness of the language. i can answer thaton just so you have the context. you know, the4se typ incidents don't. ideally, you have and post and sz#omebody comes out and declares incid command. you know, sometimes unfold so quickly.s, things arethe fly. shots are being fired.. yeah. there was command post after theur training and what we if lives are at stake and in dang go in and we job. so there's not always the scenario wheruxury of having the incident commander saying, you knowqz you turn off your a you , sions our personnel to give them the discretion. you know, we give them guns and stars and a lot of responsibility. we they can't make and when to turn the camera off, wbout to go in and make

l think wewe that to our officers the ability to do their jobs in a way that makesseour intentioned, but they t in the way of common sense. well, with that okay. point. i just want to andief. i think commissi put his finge of something about this except$

work groupad two line officersked some long time ago. there wasin the t that work. former head of the tactical unit group. you're t member? no, ilieutenant and also officer i i getting that right? officer woodson? he& wasbut this is the mostet's not minimize theñu let's hope we're go to pause. i understand e saying, chief vice president. i understand what you're saying, i apologize, should have made this disclaimer when t item was commissioner clay asked me to pone would like to weigh in and participate. well, he'd make the make this v o going do appreciate this robust discussion. i thinesndils propose new language to were raised that, i am going to ask that we move to public comment, since we are not going to be taking a vote something else that you briefly like to commissioners. okaydd the public is now comment please approach the podiumere is noyou.

canm ten line item ten and discussion on commission actio conferred with the city atto there is one addition that i would like to the well craftedspir carter, oprah stone. i would ask that the to state noithstanding any o provision, no payout will b person who is ly obtain a monetarunder this ordinance to amend the motion on addition, because i think that and i would like to also move this forward. given miss brown's, i'll second just like to beheard on this. i, i, i don't think this additioró because under the ordinance, the chief already has on an award. and i ce that e information. so i jusk it's doing the most importanthing me is to pass this tonight,. because i miss brown's been

waiting far too long for happ'f that th a celebratory and uplifting momen getting revision of the actual statutory that was bit distressing for miss brown when we were on the precipice of was all pulled back at the ncerns that been raised far earlier and that substantively don't make any sense just want to apologize to miss brown for the any duress her. but i be supporting the version tonighuseat's required to it appears, i think procedurally we're in a weird we're so i thinkn withdraw my second of the vice president's original motion, then fail for lack be free to make her to a motion that's alreadbe been on the floor. yeah. on theloor i, i think commissioner, city attorney we advisor of all procedural commissionersxzhe motion and to have a friendly amendment b a friendly amendment has to be accepted by therrect. so

if you do not agree, then why we would do my thing. okay. no i don't think otherwise. okay. all right. so do you need me to read that back or can paper the fad out, just for the recor it's. into the record. i'll second the. so at this point do we open it up for general commen? already had public commentli. y don't matter. let's just take a vote then on the motion. benedicto, how do you vote? yes, commissioner benedicto is yes. commissioner yane. yes. mr. yanez is. yes. commissioner yee president carter overstone. yes.:is. resident elias. five yeses. thank you. can we resume items, beginning with item eight, line item eight, pr sfpd's disciplinary review board. findings and recdñ! é he's wrong bec at this

the mouse is like acting weird and it won't be. when she does way not the double standard. no. she.ñq commissioner yee. someti is everybody ready?. thank you. good evening, chief president elias and commissioners, i'm lieu wd i'm herery review board for quarter two. and herewith acting director sharonfr roleght you

were leaving. i was like, oh, that's interesting, but can you speak mic or speak like you're very soft spoken was like super loud. our board on thiseople that were present. before i go two, i just wanted to discuss the recommendations that we hairst from quarter one where we are with those. so the revdash 259or is currently in concurrence. and it should it should be done by next week. second rec update the fto tining manual. ag many obstacles but we did grvention. what they present to the fto from the fto being worked on. update number thre the arrest and control manual or / dgo 5.01, so officers can receive clear and adequate training speeding subjects and usef force. they have a draft pnhat the made and very specific to splittingsh subjects.

so that is also in concurrence. and the f policies to train officersrtain information on the dpos may notpector keene from a draft to addresson to quarter two. the aggregends iad were failure to app range. there was a 27.59%, which 24 cases. neglect o second general andhaoming an officer, 19.54 and neglect of duty body worn camera was fourth what we found were in the aggregate trends, neglect of worn camera 13.9% neglect of duty. failure to take becoming an officer dew point condition. there was one ied casoth a policy failure and a training failure for q two and there was one ied case closed that resultedolicy failurethe first case involved a sergeant and his that were assigned to the

mobile field force detail for thellegal stunt driving 927. in 2020, the sergeant observed aágs charger with handgun out of side window. the vehicle stopped abruptly in front of 1630 vicente and thes and the subject that was producing the firearmas later determined to b offçs duty law enforcement o agency, and that officer appeared. offir's handgun as property for safekeeping and issuede. the officers did not believe the subject had committed a criminal offense. however, they seized booked the eeping, and the officer was released to his wife at th. oh, sorry centered on training failure ine that the officer is 3602 a mpc ar paneld there was a penal co . the policy failure in this case wng the bwc ids

review of footage revealed that their ang the incideld their during the investigation discussing information. the said police report that they bwc in accordance with department policiesrrverly broadrn staedd times in conjunction with our department policy, citing police tactics, confidential ion and administrative investigation after working an to apec. the sergeant believed they department, bcissued radio on their desk at the hall ofurned after their weekend, t the radio. the another officer grabbed a radio thin it was theirs. at the time of the detail shared its office it was configur in a with a walkway conjoining both doorway on each side. the detail was not reported as any type of accusation, just show.@7$xvti99 dbi also had two policy failure. i'm sorry. yeah,

policy failure cases. g1it's ironic that both of these policy failure cases have to do with things that were on agenda or up on agenda. so i'm not sure if much detail i want to go into it. was a policy failure concerning anonymous complaint d listed whitendividuals in his stop data during the dpaerview the sworn member admitce which disregarded department pro)÷ and data entry. different things self-taughtti a 1071, an investigative detail f stops to disp, not conducting criminal records checks on that were completely normal, listing drivers races as oh for others on all his traffic citations robust stop data that the stop data audit will shed much light and more light than i could do in this case this particular i actually would want to delay a discussion until the stop data

audit is presented before this would beh discussion. the second case not do our second case had to do with dgo 6.14, which was taken off calendar for thi case, officers conducted a search of an individual that was having a psychological issue that individual they did a pat down , but they diddetailed search, nor did they accompany the fire department to transport thaf to the hospital. that individualecreted on their personth we have suggested some policy failures involving 6.14 6.14 is currently on t tonight. i think it's but i think again, i would delay the dis ts particular policy failure because i think it wi addressed wievisions ofj7 dgo 6.14. the inclusion did review

everything they did notn just really quickly, the recommendation of the drb issue a department notice mpc c wecommendation options such as implementing a comprehensive citationtem depart of written citations, or mou with the traffic court to share a unified citation database, ensuring that all handwrit citations are archived beforeeing sent to traffic. court recommendation three sfpd should provide emphasizing the importance ofunit stopsy, and this update could include guidance at training, a departmen other training0 for. we kind of already ta so i'll skip over that part next steps and done our quarter three yet. i'm pretty goi four just because of we're a little. any questions. thank you. great

job. thank you smverer of the publicj would like to would comment regarding line item8r approach the podium. and there's noent. line item nine sfpd's firearm discharge review bordscussion.kw ay the third reviewed one was1.e) this os occurred on may 7th 2021 at ours. sfpd broadcasted information about suspects in a silve burglaries in the area of fisherman' out on unmarked vehicles to different locations that day t silver, mitsubishi and the

suspects happened to start later that day and as the officers were leaving the station, they saw the sergeant and notified himlan for the vehicle.riding together and theyed the silver mitsubishi on the embarcadero. they observed two of the occupants commit and stealing lugga. the two officers relayed what they had witnessed to the other members, as well as to the sergeant who was monitoring the encrypted radio got ready for their shift. the officers followedishi into the southernight of the vehicle, but then they l alley at this time. occupants were of the vehicle rummaging throughe stolen suspect was sitting in the driver's seatu.. ole and monitored the subjects on foot, while officewo parked officer one. a plan was discussed by a third strips. however, they were unable to deploy the adjacent alley in front of the vehicle happened plainclothesl edcause a lot of times they have the radio and it scares them off risk. so officer one and two f

to prone the suspects out at gunpoint and take them into sfpd stars displayed and their their guns out. it was at thisbjts saw officer one andack into the mitsubishi, and[ so the second suspect that was standing o car had not been alerted kind of went out the window at this p running up on them the one officer kind of bear hugged the one heard a loudk÷p9 suspect bleeding from the officer one realized they had their gun out and had unintentionally shot the suspect. officer one explained that in their mind believed that they had holstered the their gun before running toab. officer one one a tourniquet applied in. the sergea scene of the o been keeping up with my slides. these were the recommendations investigat]b to the board, o here. the other officer

found to be improper conduct when the difference here because from the get go, the officer said he did not mean to fire the weapon. so i didn't feel a proportionality. immediate threat was really relevant. so w i presented it to chief scott, we looked, specifically safe which is what what . in the third quarter of 2024, there were zero in presenteody death review board. and then last is just o eyes and in-custody deathons, which i know yof you that answer them. otherwiseb. thatnly mention is that dpaedit d do the findings of iad and the chief. the one thing that i would mention quitethe immediacy upon which the department took action on this creating añj new training for holster call itr expert, who at the

academy is traing not t officer did and thatd took place very quico[ theeed for threally expediently. and chief scott speak to they immediately suspended,ainclothes operationsylike i forth right away and admitted tt he made a mistake. yeah. i mean i can speak to that. we did. and i recall we disclosed that to the commission and to( we did as at, springer said, suspended plainclothes operationsall the of the key officers to revise the tactics. and theand they stayed ue's been additiots in try to address it right away. so a lot i mean, this was of course, an unfortunate,as aame after the factw÷3 that us doing what to make corrections training doubled. and now the range as well. thank you mx youers of the public who would like to make public comment regarding line item podium. hand m sorry. and i asked on the

previous one. sor thank you, president elias. i actually have my hand up forous item arothe policy failures and trainings. i just i fail to point out that based think noted that it's very appropriat having a conversation about body wornere we have a policy failure that ative very hopeful that we will be able to find a solution that helps us both hold folken they are, you know for things that are outside of that we will come up with a better policy moving forward. and i did have a question about mean, it is very difficult for med wrap my head around how it's possiblev; that an individual who's under the influence of alcohol and is flashing a gun outsideyou, how that individual. and it's hard for me to believe

that, you know, this was onlylicy failure. and i td(i available for that incident, we may be able appropriate, when it is for future training purposes necessary to mute that when it is not. and so i think it is clear to me thatlicy failure atinan be easily corrected bestions that we earlier with some specificity as. so thank you for letting me share thought i couldn't let them go on withouthat connection. thank you.m nine please approach the podium. there is no public comment. line item 11 discussion and presentation on the depf juvenile booking diversion program at the request of the commission. discussionn<

ck. my name is kara lisi. i'm here to present an update for you all on where we are as it relates to our build out and implemente diversion oject. so going back to late august, the department, myself and chief scotth commissioner yanez andmmission pre we to the pre-arrest diversion project and someqf remaining issues. we were work out. it was nversation that weollowing that meeting that we had. ioull of the te september early october to the juvenile probation department, to clark, to the to the san francisco public defender's office. all of stakeholrs that we have identified and would like to off on that mou. following that, we were able toproductive initial conversations with the district we received substantial edits and feedback

from c accepted, the rest. we've indicated to clark, we we're waitg on additiona our other stakeholders before having those follow up discussions. by the end of october, we were able to meet with the district attorney's office to t p on this programings that they'd likená see or issues that they wanted to raise. we also wereto meet with the juvenile probation department the beginning of november, and ht a youth mighture complete the program and wheth pre-arrest diversion program would replace the current.s with the district attorney's office and the juvenile probationwas made cle if we got buy with regards to this program and some of the mig just today we were able with judg presiding judge over the unified family court. we meetingd great feedback on the program and some suggested editshat's where

we are today. what we are still waiting for supposed to be coming from the public defender's office. we're waiting for additional feedback from t probation department. once we receive all that to put togeer all of the edits that we've r, i am hopeful that in the near future, we willfinal mou that everyone canit hopefully have sign off of our stakeholders. that is my update. happy touestions. mr. yanez i'm sure you have questions on this one. right. thank you. yes youmust have sensed it. thank you for update, kara. i'm really happy to hear that some progress has been made and these meetings with the probation department, with the district attorney's office promising to hear that chan has also hadity to review. would would yo when or was there a timeline set for when the feedback from the public defender's office or from judge chan will be completed defender's office did

not give me that their executivest reviewingi the proposal. i think what was very helpful and will be very helpful in moving that weful to go back to our justice partners and really wrap this up with an understandg that this is something that you know, at leastsupport. so i can't i don't it will take jpd defender's to us, but i certainly think that given the support we've received from the courts today, we can wesue moving forward to supplanting enhancing the existing diversion efforts that we had. this is theirst i've heard ofy7 community partners and with very clear, especially based on the that was provided to us by the organization at santa clara as the folks from oakland who also run a simil]waron was you know, back in may of la

was veryk÷ clear to everyone that what additional step to enhance the continuum of existing diversion rnts that we have now, is that still the=ñ direction that the department intends , or are we now revisiting the model itself're correct, commissioner that the vision always discussed really was a transition from a post, post citation program into a pre-arrest no citation program. that is that is the plan. and that is where we're going. what was me of our stakeholders is a question of whether or not a post arrest. you've been cited diversi still exists. and or contemplated this, we contemplated that the pre-arrest diversion program would become the only diversion program that there was really no no one would be diverted after a what's been raised is if somebody were to fail tot, no citation be a

sort of graduated consequence additional diversion program is something that contemplated but has b and i think isomething that is being considered as a potential option. okay. thank you for that that's something that will be raised. i've been asked to provide an update to the next wanted to m any new developments aretm relayed and conveyed to that commission in november of last year%n jpd commission did putgether also a resolution endorsing or6l program. i just wanted to point that out that it's now been close to 18 months since presentation. has there been any prog department identifying a training plan and a system for data collection, analysis and ensuring that whatever that, that set up. also for people that completeogram to not have a record

held in any space. i know that those are three questions in one. we can tackle the timeline for training first, because i know that's cy director roche, i believe, had mentioned point, maybe the summer of year. but when i community engagement divisias news to them. is there? if i understand as it relates to a the training rollout for this program, is that what the question wass with the chief because he knowsdq at policy director roach also is at least in some of had with park to utilize the sentinella program, which does capacity building, to ensure that departments that want to replicate the effort are properly in both the system identification of potential eligible participants that's why we from care. all of the things that we have embedded now into the dgo proper we will hopefully be voting on in theh or two, that

that statement was made over nine months ago, and i have not heard ofplan any staffing, training process. has there been so i think once the program is out it will comeith a training component. we are in the process right now of creating many of those documents that wi be part of the2 rollout, right? like th department notice and all of thte the program and finish the programp%x before we can be too sure what the training looks like say is that this program was designed to be very similar to have officers take very similar steps that they would with anyone that they have probable cause to arrest, which is to call clark. right. and that clark is t help the officers walk through their eligibility for this program and the steps or not they weren't eligible, if they if they need to transport them, if they'rethat gets

done through a conversation with clark. and this program was specifically designed to also start with a conversation with clark, which i hope will de for extensive training and allow us to roll this out in aster w. so if i'm not been any training identified or any n embedded or offered up tos point where we're imagining do and design efforts have taken place an organization that is available to cheap at one point, believe that, you know, the conversation had been to use the census organization that focuses on working such a restorative type program to obtain best practices, raise the capacity of our of our department, which has not had a youth division in some to engage in that process, or is this something that, as k just kind of grow outtrn

the same fashion as any other go? retraining would would require? yeah. so at this point co, there is stand up ale division. we just don't have the people for it. the it definitely and we would like to do at some point. we just don't have the personnel to do it the way roll out. you know, we still we do have a person, the same sergeant that we had identified is still willing to do it. so and that's a thaen thing that, you know the sergeant was previously to community engagement division. she's now assigned to a district station. but we believe we can we can at least get this startedeant. to do it. and she's enthusiastic about this so once we getra're able to set what things we need to train on. and we got a lot of insight from the court today, things that we bring to this mou. hopefully we need to talk to the collaborative stakeholders about some of the issues that the judge brought up. but there was i think will enhance the program.

if we can, we can implement it. so we don't want to really set the training until those things get settled. and i know it's taken i feel like we've made some really good og we need to just kind of close the deal with our collaborative partners. there's some language, like with juvenileat we're waiting on decisionsrobation, on. there's, you know, waiting on defenders. we've had th and n them with. and so we're getting there. but to answer your question, not said it yet because there's still some moving parts with the today. there's going to be a few tweaks to the mou. and we and we will keep you informed when once that's done. but we're going to move on quickly. thank you for. i know that obviously when we a multi system partnership such as this, it is aknow, challenge everybody on board on the same page. but feels like, you know i wish i the department had a little bit more of a sense of urgenow, we've been for over two years. i received some infor don't know that these are the actual numbers, but in

those two years, at leastz, for fiscal year 23 and year to date 111 young people who could have been el is my understanding and more than likely, even more. this is just raw data doesn't necesse types of charges. and we haven't identified what those charges would be for this program. but the long program program in lo had some numbers from them 9h only people recidivism b $40,000 saved per youth enrolled in the program versus them going into the program and having a 20% recidivism rate when they don't have the program. so i can imagine that of those 111 of these young, weentially already diverted to you system. so i hope that we can use this kind of rese new year to kind ofou know:ñx", accelerate tro you know, talk and chew gum at the same6 can't train by by people to start learning what

these best practices are aroundgstorative justice, around trauma informedknow department. but i would love to see and i am encouraging, compelling you to get the ball rolling in those areas because the youth, based on what@x the community has said, you know, is commitments. but ultimately there is, i building that the department can invest in. before we finalize thatou. but i think questions for today. th you for the update. i know thatas been pressing to have 101, you know go through the legal and the vettingvote ont, if there is some progress towards launching the diversion program, i would really appreciate for that to happen. onh t possible. thank u very much, thank you very much. presiner yanez for your leadership on this issue. thank you, director would definitely echo what commissioner yanya said to b chief

that i think we do want to see you know, movement on this. i'm glad we do want to see an urgency on thisi think it would be helpful to maybe schedule another update for sometime in the first quarter of next year to see where progressontinuing to keep our on this. like commissioner1ñ we'll we're also pushing i know they're one thing i want to make clear is i don't want one to hold up the other like i don't want we need to before we can launcho is ready before we launch d.o.j. 7.01. so i think they're connected but not relying on each other. and so i want to make that completely clear. that being said, where we can advan i think that's a good opportunity. i want t when we want to get folks from the community here, it's a lot to ask. and so to the extent we can have discussions at the same time, i think that'sro that in the chief's report,we talked about getting the comprehensive response to the community. 7.01 letter before the end of for that. i know that won't be easy. and so i it. ithat way it'll be in a posalendar it for as early as possible next year and have the community think we saw a little bit in

some of the back d forth on 10.11 today that sometimes have our things laidut in advance, and then we're not sort of figuring thingsut live in front of everyone. and so i an instructive. well, i think th4at conversation. i think it could be instructive that you know, to the extent you can hash things better. i think everyone agrees on that. and h(eopefully we can do of the 7.01 issues. so that update. and looking forward to continuing torward. sergeant, for any member public would like to make public comment regae item 11. please. there is no line item 12 discussion and possible action to approve revisedpersons in custody and tr the de and conferring with the affected bargaining units as required by law. discussion and possible action name a lieutenant currently assigned to the airport division chief scott i was the subject matter expert on deago 5.18. persons in custody and transportation. before i go over

a couple of the quick highlights, i wanted to thank publiclyq our working group which matt ortega, ortega r. ironically, he took my position at central station when i was transferred, but he the heavy lifting on so i wanted to we had representatives francisco fire department, the sheriff's department and also like to mention tha caywood from dpa was really helpful with their insight and their feedback and suggestions. so deago 5.18 (s of thed changes that we made probably the first thing is we replaced the term prisoner and!f prisoner handling ody. we felt that was kind of a more expansive term consistent with other!8 a definition section at the beginning of this dg. we also replaced the sp category section with a vulnerable population section that includes like juv persons, pregnant person:ds, and persons with physical5: disabilities. we incorporated several department

notices into this dgo. one of the most important being transporting persons who use . and then finally, ande things that we found in the existing dgo is that we there was were considered best practice but we didn't have what we really tried to do is incorporate into this new dgo.y expanded and i'm happy to answer any of you may have. commissioner. no that's okay. commissioner yanez do you have anything? no. thank you. all right. thankor all of your hard on the dice. can i i will meet confer. yeah i will make a motion to adopt general order 5.18 for use in meeting conferring with the effective bargaining unitsons resolution 23, dash 30. i'll second any member of the p make public comment regarding line item 12. please approach the podium publiñk motion. commsioner benedicto, how do you vote? yes. commissioner benedicto is. yes. commissioner

yanez. yes. commissioner yanez is[÷es. commissioner yi. yes. and elias. yes. president elias is. yes. you have four yeses. thank you, thank you. comment on all matters rtaining to item including public comment on item 16, a vote whet like to make public comment, please approach the podium. there's no public comment on item 16. a vote on whether to hold item 16 insession. san francisco administrative code section 67.10 d action. motion to go okay. go ahead. motion to go to on. second. second.. all right. on the motion, commissioner benedicto how do youenedicto. yes. yes. commissis yes. commissioner yee. yes. commissioner yee is yes. and president elias. yes. president elias is four. you have four yeses. we'll go into closed sess

of item 17 a where factual information will be pro second, any member of the public would like to makeine item 18. please approach the podium. seeing not on ther, how do you vote? yes mr. benedicto is. yes. commissioner yanez. yes. mr. yanez is. yescommissioner yee. yes. commissioner yee. yes. you have four yeses. line item 19. adjournment a g good night. v]

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