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january 21st is cancelled. it occurs after a holiday. we decided to cancel the next at the start of february, which i'm february fourth. thank you, may. we will not meet until then. a couple other things we are meeting as a staff friday to plan around our keystone events for the year including our summit it occurred in april. we will look at an april date again and send out some information to you to make sure we can get as many commissioners to attends as possible. over the next few days especially if you have ideas that you want to share for this summit now is the time. obviously, you can share them with us after friday. but we would love to hear from you as soon as possible. we will take all of our staff ideas to our executive

leadership calls next time we meet. and we will be making decisions based off that. reach out we are open to any and all ideas and this point we are a blank slate. thank you for this in vance. and that's all i have for you this evening. let me know if you have questions. >> questions? >> i have no question system well public comment on the executive director's report? no comments. >> closed >> next is number 5. report if our senior inspector. >> thank you, president bleiman. good evening. we have received 18311 complaints since the last hearing on december 17th. i have two updates let me know if you have questions. my first is about habibi lounge 26, sixth street on the agenda tonight for permit applications.

on wednesday, january first at 12:25 a.m. inspector adams and i did a check. the business received notice of the visit during or entertainment hearing on december 17, 2024. when we arrived we heard music playing from the patio and we confirmed the upstairs audio system was in use. we encounters confusion from staff regarding allowable entertainment and out door sound. secure denied me entry. i explained that should they be granted a permit it would institute a permit violation and could result in enforcement action. i was allowed in inspector adams was instructed wait outside and not permitted on enters. management said i could not take pictures or videos despite this part of our job duties to document findings. >> management said the lounge

was hosting a private eventism clarified a permit is requires for entertainment. i benched the dy booth management insist thered was no dj and patrons were playing music from you tube. this was accurate based on what i was benched i could document due to restrictions.

andchicized while our office is complaint driven we conduct compliance checks with history of noncompliance and will continue to until measureers implements. my next and final update a new year's eve update. quick review of new year's eve compliance. we went in 2025 there were 64 events happening on new year's eve. 57 were permitted. 50 holding a brick and mortar

and 7 holing one time even permit. 64 events 4 of them went pass 2 a.m. we received 2, throw 11 complaints on the day received sen requesting service two learning out door events happening for many years now. >> we see a noticeable trend upward in large live music venues hosting since the pandemic with new permitted businesses. >> this data similar to let mow know if you are questions >> when you were outside habibi lounge they eventually let you know in how long? >> it was witness they produced

some managers and owner ship was let inside on their accord. surety would not let me >> and how many minutes did they keep you outside before they let you in? hard to say not long. 5? this is on the other hand active investigation if our office the city attorney is take the lead it is legal after hours party promoted. they contacted the property

owner. thank you. >> yes. looks like it was significant. thank you. need more questions. good. >> all right. i don't have questions is there opinion ment on the senior inspector's report. >> no public comment >> we'll close public comment. move on to item 6. which is hearing and possible action regarding applications for permits under the jurisdiction of entertainment. we don't have consent so deputy director can introduce the first permit application for us. >> thanks. the first permit application i'm going to request continuance the royal ground coffee. in speak width applicant it appear they should be resending out a new out reach letter they are aware and want to make sure

they use the temp element in vance. advance i'm requesting continuance of this item. >> move continuance of the first item >> seconded. >> public comment on continueing item. we have to vote. we can never continue. forever. >> president bleiman >> aye >> vice president wang yoochl ayediveis. >> aye >> perez. >> aye >> poggio >> aye >> schlander. >> aye >> thomas >> aye >> now proceed. >> great. thank you. >> the next permit is llp permit mag noia brewing, 1398 haight. reasonable under went an

ownership change special applying to host indoor entertainment dj's and mall bands. lives public meant opposing this application at our last hearing and the owner of not in attendance. the commission rowed continue the agenda item to a future hearing date. after our last hearing i spoke with the owner and wanted to redo out reach right away to agenda for tonight. redid out reach all right in your file and emsent it out to addresses within 150 feet of the business by way of a professional mailing service i have not heard from natures since the letter was resent. i explained the program terse of the permit to neighbors to submit in opposition and the owner stated than i don't plan to have regular programming. there is a sound limit in accordance with article 29 and there were no add conditions from pd park station. here to peek to you tonight is someone from the business? great.

>> yes. i'm brandon phillips i'm one of the ordinance. we are look to do something in simple. dj's, two piece acutic sets nothing amplified or nothing that will -- make complains you are new owners? >> yes. we took over. >> okay. at the last hearing there were a few residents from the building and upstairs who were -- very concerned had no matter what entertainment there was there would be a sound barrier and really be affecting their quality of life. can you address this and. >> acoustic paneling on the ceiling if we needed to we could

add more. most will happen during brunch this would not affect quality of life and a bit in the evenings but no later than 10 or 11 depending on theent or the weekend if it is like a holiday we may go until 11 normal a one or two piece set until 10 p.m. >> great. when were the upon panels added randle >> i think 2022 before our time. when dwo you think you will have the out door amplified sound. is it going to be during all opening hours. >> no. that will be during brunch >> yea. >> saturday and sunday. friday, saturday, sunday 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. >> can i innerject. kevin indicated that per was remove friday programming. okay. cool.

apologies if this is the agenda item should not reflect out door sound is it still in the application, i should have redacted that. he did include out door sound with the hours i see the application pulled up and after the fact removed that piece of the application. it was not include instead out reach letter and not agendized it is on the application. this is for indoor until 11 p.m. >> okay. >> i upon spent a lot of time at magnolia there is plenty of sound across the street on the corner >> you don't need it. >> hello thank you for coming inform can you share we have to reach out to neighbors and talk to them >> i did talk it a couple this live upstairs once we explained it we are not bring nothing bands they were a lot more receptive to it.

nobody would tell mow to my face how they feel about it f. there is a complaint how would you handle it a number they can call. i have given a couple of neighbors my direct cell phone number i will be there all the time during the events. so they can call me directly. how will you community to your staff of the policy of how to handle noise complaints from neighbor sns >> we have direct communication through like slack i will be able to send out a message to everybody involved >> thank you. >> of course. >> i know that kevin had bars have you been involved as well. why am i. >> no. i worked at fly bar just moved back from texas. i owned one in texas and did the music stuff there as well.

>> cool. you can have a seat zeal a discussion up here >> open up this to public ment before we discuss. no public comment. i'm closing public comment. >> i can say that i known kevin for two decades and he is a very coveted operator to survive fly bar to survive as is as long as it has is a miracle have you to know what you are doing to keep something around that long. i'm take it a positive significant nalling the fact there were neighbors opposing the last time now that they

talked to the prirts it seems like no one is here for public comment this time. seems like the issues have been resolved. so thank you for doing that out reach. >> it sounds like the positive conflict resolution and thank you to staff for your role and thank you to the venue and the neighbors for making that work. that's what we want to see >> i think you did the right thing. give them your cell phone and they have somebody to talk to real time it makes it often the biggest difference maker. >> cool >> all right. >> anybodiment to make a motion. >> motion to approve the staff recommendations. >> second. >> president bleiman. >> aye. >> vice president wong >> aye >> commissioner davis >> aye >> commissioner perez.

>> aye >> commissioner poej i don't >> aye >> commissioner schlander >> aye >> commissioner thomas. >> aye >> move on to the next item >> final permit on the regular agenda is place of intament extended hours per habibi loufrn on 26, sixth street it was continue federal the left hearing on december establish to allow the business to meet with the tenderloin housing clinic who run the seneca holing and concern busy the lounge's operations. this business has been issued 4 citations which is 5 i will speak about that to echo senior inspector. opened and operated as a restaurant with entertainment andlet night food without permits from an agency. came on raid as through sound comupon implement bunkham obtained way health permit and coming in compliance for out door entertainment and foodservice after 2 a.m.

the lounge is a 2 story restaurant with second story open out door patio. on the corner of 6 and stevenson alley. the most liberal zoning controls allowing for 24/7 inand out door operations. hours are 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. monday-thursday. 10-5 friday-saturday and 5 p.m. to 2 a.m. on sunday. they applied for a liquor license they don't serve alcohol. they share a wall with the windsor holing. i learned of 60 room it is 43 are residential and remaining for tourists. and 25 feet away if them across the al se200 unit seneca hotel. there are residential buildings down stevenson alley. after applying for permits they applied for permit for

entertainment and out door sound this xriered. on december 17. president wong, commissioner poggio and staff reminded the owner that after december 2st they could play sound on the patio they were warned that inspectors the check on new year's eve to verify they hering. you heard during the enforcement report the business was playing amplified music at 12. . 30 without a permit. as such we issued a citation to the business bringing them to 5 citations since october of 24. all citations have been paid the business has not complied through corrective actions the permit is to host indoor entertainment thursday-friday 5-2 a.m. saturday 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. and

out door sound sunday-wednesday 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. thursday 11 a.m. to 12 a.m. friday-saturday 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. and none of these exceed 8 hours total. permit does not include indoor entertainment monday-wednesday. applied for ehp permit for foodservice daily. and indoor friday-sunday 2 a.m. to 5 a.m. this is when their initial application included. out reach the owners sent a letter to the buildings in 150 feet from the business and you see a copy of the letter and out reach and out reach map in your file. the lounge representatives met with the mid market cbd who have no comments and the owner met with representatives oft hc on third degree january second in person at the business. i learned this yesterday the

lounge team connected with the windsor holing owner as well. during the meeting last week the owner gave them a tour of the business andt hc expressed concerns with operations. t hc presented with condition this is they were comfortable with and the owned he could not agree to suggested hours. however, as of yesterday i received e mail confirmation. indoor thursday-saturday. thursday night to friday morning and friday night to saturday morning. 5 p.m. to throw:30 upon upon a.m. saturday. and sunday 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. foodservice daily 11 a.m. to 5 a.m. out door sound on the terrace

sunday-wednesday 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. thursday 11 to 11 and friday-saturday 11 a.m. to one a.m. shall not exceed 8 hours per day. a minimum of one security guard at the lounge thursday through saturday 6 p.m. until the business closes. and the patrons queueing lines forrent row in the lounge directed up sixth and away from stevenson alley. on the residential street. and the patrons not permit the to motor vehicle in the alley and clear signage post exclude staff and security monitor and enforce this policy to ensure compliance. i like to note this in your file an all right of opposition if i mac who lived down the al sdpe opposing the permits based on negative experience she had to date. the only condition suggestion by pd tenderloin station to cap the

out door sound by 10 p.m. nightly. let me know if you have questions and otherwise, i could introduce the owner. i will pause there. questions? all right. ali the owner. thank you. >> hello. how are you? are we just asking questions or are we -- have you prepared anything to say or should we go into questions here >> whatever questions you have. >> okay. >> who wants to start. i will be interested in hearing what went on during our inspector's visit this left time

and why they were denied entry and one was denied after that? >> because was new years special we had a private family event was not open to the public or anything and i did mention only family nobody from the public is allowed go inside. so here is had i'm restling with, ali, we have two duties here 21 promote night life and make sure it fleurishes in san francisco the other to make sure this operators do have the responsibility of having live [♪music♪], which, might seem like a small thing but brings issues we see every day. right. ande is violence and thi happening. everybody who is has this responsibility who has that

permit will take it seriously and will -- be responsible themselves. we also are rated the highest trusted departments in the city from or permit holders we pull in the 80s and 90 percent we work with permit holders on help them make sure they are compliant. issue i have and i ton have here it is seems the attitude from not you specific low but people on your staff and how we are treat side we are an enemy or we are opposition force or group that is trying to stop you from doing had you want to do. and -- the other issue is that we repeatedly warn you and said this is our job. hard working inspectors are in the field all night checking in on people. and even after warnings, you

continue to violate rules and that's not okay in its own the fact you know that you are coming here and you know that you are coming before this group and you know this we have the power to grant this permit or continue or limit the hours down we have jurisdiction over a lot of room over. that then you do that and it makes me very uncomfortable personally. and makes me wonder if you are going to be responsible with this permit as of now, and there are no indications, there is electric of responsible it is like a treating us like we are an annoying thing that needs to go away. question i have is if we vote on this tonight which i'm not sure i'm comfortable doing. everyone. if we do how do we know that you will take these rules seriously? we have hundreds of permits there is i handful of people who treat us this way.

we don't want that type of relationship. how can we be assured tonight you will take our rules seriously. >> when we had the temporary permits we was responsible all the time. no, no problems at all even with controlling the sound we had on new years a family event. one of my family member got married last week and garthed for the family. the sound was very low. i talked to the neighbors personal low exit went outside to monitor the sound it was really low to the point we did not bother anybody from the neighborhood. i did get harassed and bothered by the entertainment commission than i came at me regarding the sound the sound was low we did nohave a live dj we were playing from the i pad and we did not have issues left time we came to the hearing we have been on -- because we did not know the

hearing was going to change dates. we thought the new years we get a temporary permit or have our license for the new years. regarding the private event not open to the public. i don't see why well is an issue with me playing a sound from the inside and he came in and trying to get in and i said nobody come outside stop everybody it is a family evenly. he came in the security told me i came outside myself and i let him inside. we don't are live d judiciarying playing and played by my cousin he was playing the music on the i pad. and then you know he did told us he wants to go up stairs and seat speaker. i took him up he seen the sound it was low in the neighbor's or the sidewalk. he told me you cannot trespass v that speaker of i unplugged the

speaker since we don't have out door speaker and unplug today to stay away from this issue. and from citation. i like paying citations, no. every time it come out of my pocket i don't want a citation or issues. >> i'm hear you defend what happened on new years, that aside. you got 5 citations. new years aside if we vote and grant itow can we be assured you will be responsible and you will follow the rules going forward. that's my question. i'm doing my best you roach out to the neighbors we met and they have my phone number if they have issues they call me directly i don't want any of the neighbors get complaint or bringing the commission to come there all the time. as now i disconnected the speaker for the outside we don't have that issue and you know

later on when we get a permit but we will make sure it does not happen again. upon kworns i have is it seems our staff are not really treated with respect. had they come to your establishment. and in the future are you saying you will be they will obviously be allowed perform their jobs they will be let in. and able to take photos and record when is going on well. they will not confront other issues like this. it was a surprise to me that this happened again after our last meeting and we discussed that. >> we had [inaudible]. we would had for this day but because the hearing got changed that is the reason or would not happen again. in my opinion, you know, i am

the industry rep and i own borrows and clubs. when i have been in a situation like this i made sure i on my best behavior. if you near violation, when in this time period it should be your best effort, you still get a violation. that really does not fill us with confidence. that is on topp of repeated violations and dinltss where our staff is being disrespect exclude unable to do their job >> that's how you feel i feel the same i feel i'm harassd and picked on. and coming and bothering me if you dot recording from the sidewalk he would not get anything. i'm asking for a type of like a proof from everything that it is the sound. going to the walk and the sound was very low. it was not going to the sidewalk. what ares me on going after and

i told them we were on the sidewalk and i toll him you hear the music coming out here? you hear the loud on the sidewalk? people playing music and everything in the fireworks it was louder than ours. there was not any music or issue coming to the neighborhood >> they are not apply for example entertainment permit the people on the sidewalk they don't matter t. is the when somebody as the permit the responsibility is on us when we grant a permit we have responsibility if we grant it to somebody that is irresponsible this come become on this department. we don't care what the people on the sidewalk are doing. they are not applying they are not in our jurisdiction our job is to make sure a licensed establishment thatments live music is responsible enough on take that on and do what is required which is a lot. it it is a lot of work and you have to be buttoned up. i hear you defending yourself a

lot i see that you feel like you are urn attack. i can feel that from you. i'm saying put that aside for a second. put aside the desire to defend yourself and talk to us about why this body here can trust you to do the right thing going forward by us and your custody sxhers the public safety and everything that come long with that. that's -- when you go down that route defending yourself it i will say not helping your cause for us to vote today. >> right >> because part of me i will be honest feels like may be you need a month of showing us you can do this without getting a frisk incincitation. they show up a million places a night the 1 this is get citations all let us in and

everybody has the same rules the idea you are singled out is just simple low not true. it is our job to do that they have to do their job. >> i did take measures seen me himself unplug the speaker that is not active we don't have on the second floor nothing playing at all even through the weekend and i just want that to be out of the way there is no music outside only inside i unplug the music and the speaker is in the there and down the line we will work on that one if not i'm okay with not having the out door permit and just get rid of it so we can be on the good same page and at the same time not get harass am when we get in violation after violation i don't that. i rather e eliminate that speaker and save everybody a headache. >> i mean to say we don't want you getting violation after

violation either. we want to you be able to operate a thriving accident, i appreciate that you are opening on sickth street. i appreciate that you are gone through the work to get the permits and so on. the same time, you know from our perspective it does notnary it is a public or private event if it is i permitted venue, right f. it is live music. weep don't care how much you are charging at the door or turning people away it it is about the entertainment and the music being playd and the sound levels. so, you know it is -- you know it felt like what your team was here before, and we had this conversation about the previous citations and you were going to meet with the folks fromt hc here and that is grit.

and i feel we were pretty clear our inspectors would come back around so it should not have been a surprise to you that our inspectors were coming. i feel like i don't understand the this disconnect of it was a private event we were not expecting or were not -- that's not you know we am to you succeed. we are having a hard time getting i'm having a hard time getting to that place of trusting when you it seems there continues to be violation after violation and then there has been some progress but i think i want to see more progress towards being the same level of compliance that and every -- the vast majority of venues in the city are able to come up with. >> i thank you for that. i want to reiterate that you

know, compliance checks are about checking we can't be every where every time they are snapshoting we go over. see what is going of things are okay. come move on. it is a way of seeing what is going on for the moment. and moving on. and i spoke left week about citations and correcting behavior. not just a matter of paying a citation it is correcting behavior that makes a citation resolve when the fine is paid and also behavior is corrected. i asked about the staff. you are asking us to trust you with a lot, right. out door perimism indoor entertainment. extended hours. i gaff you the answer if the inspectors show up and you have a question comply and you can follow up with the staff and say, they came by on this day i'm not sure why can you let me know can you tell me what is going of the key word circumstance you have to be able to comply when they show up and

treat them respectfully. i'm inclineed a continuance is in in order to be able to show you show us your establish that we can trust you. that we can your behavior is corrected. that is my position, to be honest >> more questions before we debate our. yes. >> i do want to state for the record that i wanted chime in and say that i do take offense on behalf of my staff for the continued use of the word harassment. for their inspections of your xhshl business. they are inspectors of the city and county of san francisco this is their job. trust me they don't want to continue coming to your business. as commissioner poej i don't stated, if you can prove compliance, and correct the actions that we now have sadly

documented 5 times we will not be revisiting. it is simple as that. >> yes. >> i mean i understand. i'm with you. i don't want this happening again. and they come i will welcome them after the security told me and i let them in and you know. you would not let him take photos >> it was a family private evenly. >> i will also say a couple other things. was not open to the public. d it does not matter there is no distinct with public versus private you are a commercial buildings, right. the next step for us is to start including mrofshs on our inspections. because i figure you will respect them. >> i would like to avoid that. yea >> i mean, i will respect them

regard will. i except for this time it was a private and family event i did not know that does comply to being a normal public. why it does in the merit. right. if you issue doing outside door sound that requires a permit if you are doing entertainment this requires a permit. public versus private no difference in code this it is not just thank you is every commercial business in the city. we don't touch residential properties but if you are a commercial business and you do the activities you fall under our office for inspection allow any inspector that produces a badge identifying themselves to enter the business. to take sound readings. to take photos. that is their job. and again they don't want to be there. they don't want to have to keep doing this. they want to be able to prove compliance and report back to all of us the good news that we

can say you have corrected the actions. and over time we had accidents that have proven compliance again and again. we stopped visiting because there say proven track record. at this point it is the opposite a proven track record of noncompliance. we will comply and i will make sure the security guard notified and everyone if than i come in they will welcome to come in any time. >> thank you. joy will correct this issue. >> thank you >> mine will be short i'm excite body had you are guys brought to san francisco. i enjoy hookah on the positive side. as you hear from my colleague its it is accepting the responsible of what your accident is and again, it is very positive especially on sixth street we need more things like that i'm hearing from my colleagues you need to take responsibility for your business

and man we want to support you >> thank you >> like she -- she mentioned it is like, start going the other way. compliance versus you know all the a lot of money out of your pocket. >> first and third time. fifth time. man. we want to support you you are making hard. >> thank you i promise i will comply and notify all employee and talk with everyone to come in any time they are welcome without no issues. >> commissioner perez. >> ment to say quick, i'm sorry you feel you are being singled out may be that is your previous experience as a business owner you feel like you are being singled out in some negative way. i want to assure you this commission is not like that at all. we are here to support you. we want to you succeed like commissioner thomas said we want to you thrive. we want you to see us as your partner we are not there to just

harass or make it uncomfortable we are here it support to you make sure everything is in line with the rules and i see you show more progress in tla regard we don't see us anymore. establish this trust sxf i want hopeful low this new year we turn a new page, start fresh and you can trust us so we can trust you >> thank you, i will, thank you. i appreciate everyone of you. >> thank you. commissioner pers. i wanted to can you state your name >> joseph. i wanted i appreciate and apologize for what happened on the first. a few minutes after the new year i think it was look to correct that i wanted peek to highlight positive relationships that were having with the mrooept.

a letter of support from lieutenant marshall and had a wonderful visit with the chief spent half an hour touring showed him upstairs and the basement. it was a lifely half 94 meet width chief. i wanted say there are also in addition to negative issue this is come up in front of the commission we apologize there has been a positive track record if you read the letter of support from lieutenant marshall he speaks glowingly the work ali has done and people suffering from substance abuse. >> thank you. anymore questions from the applicant before discuss? >> you can have a seat. thank you. i will kickoff this discussion i think we need to frame right. i feel like i need to frame temperature i think we have two options before us.

i'm torn. i could see one side we had a permit holder with a nonpermit holder applicant with a 5 time documented history of noncompliance, right. which is the upon ones we happened to see. who -- was warned. that we are coming by and out door music is not allowd and seemed to do it anyway. and then was somewhat hostileen may be too strong a word but extremely difficult for our inspectors to deal with. that onside i can see a case for asking this permit holdtory come back to the next meeting an among from now for this month demonstrate they can at least do a single month without a citation.

they got 5 since october this more then and there one a month. i see that makes sense to me i'm open to temperature the other side i think we have seen a lot of times this when somebody gets a permit that is not the end of their process. it is the beginning of a new and equal low onerous upon scrutiny. and on that side you know i think the incredible work that was done with the tenderloin housing clinic andt hc, right? >> uh-huh. >> also i want to thank them. i don't know if they are here. but for being flexible and reasonable and being really like i think an i think like an type we love when neighbors act reasonable and open and and willing to continue conversations. a lot of time that is not the

neighbors we see rigid ideas and understanding and takes a lot of work thank you for being open and reasonable it is incredible. just having seen them dom this work and am agreement system promising. we have put this permit holder through a lot of our process to make sure they learn and become compliant. when we guarantee a permit, it is often starts of our conversations or they almost get beefed up they are under our umbrella. i see the case for both and love for you to chime in or some of you have you have strong feelings where you mifall. we can't not vote. other alternative to vote with limits and conscience but fwhan upon they have worked out agreements i would less open to further congress.

i probably start with the conscience as is and if there are problems that is where we can make adjustments rather than witsdzing them out first. so. public comment is a smart idea. why forgot briefly this existed i remembered. open this up to public sxhent we can have more discussion. good evening. commissioners. i'm [inaudible] and i work for tenderloin housing clinic over see community organizationing departments. and we work with attentives at seneca and so's in the neighborhood i was here left

time speak for example continuance we have not had success meeting with the owner in spite stood up or something. for meetings. that being said, and we met with the owner on january second. and we both met with mr. ali and some of my staff and residentful met with them and presented our case, which was very much more when you would like to see but reason people and we want thriving business on sickth street we are suffering there now. a lot of negative behavior from the accident this is opened up. that being said, we are not in support or opposition. we are happy that we come to a conclusion we are cautiously optimistic knowing that am we hope the attentives and

residents and business owners feel comfortable calling throw 11 many people don't. think calling throw 11 makes a difference this . is the education this we will prosecute void to people to residence denials and business owners than i have to fall throw 11 if am they have occurrence. we have direct line to reach out. i will leave it to you what you think right for the neighborhood. >> further public comment. >> commissioner we have one person with hand raiseod zoom of

kelly burst. >> i unmuted can you hear mow >> you have two minutes. thank you. >> throw minutes. >> thank you. >> i have a few points. when i discovered the poster the notice for permit application from the window, i stopped and tried take a picture to get information on what was going on. at that time somebody i an employee came and up when he saw me if you meanling he began to stair me down with intimidating and took the notice are out of window so i could noted take an image of this. i found that disrespectful and concerning. the first week that the business ownership opened several patrons parked under my window at which

time 2 a.m. they loitered for about an hour. snorting drugs off the hood of their car. y explained we have children in our building and not appropriate i asked them if they would move down the street. they said sorry and continued to do it. as far as the noise, i'm a half a block away behind double paned windows throw-4 a.m. hearing drumming and very loud broadcasted music, so loud when i made a noise complaint with the nonemergency number the officer heard it behind a closed window in my apartment. sdpdz, i hear that. it is too loud. it is makes the neighborhood unlivable. frank low and i would hope we can come to a resolution about the out door noise level on the

patio. also big problem is the loitering at 4 a.m. very noise and he disruptive. i have witnessed others coming out of the bar with drinks in hands loitering in the alley and still drinking. they are intoxicated getting in cars and driving. that's frightening. also, patrons seem to use the no park sifted alley way as their personal parking lot. parking fullo the sidewalk blocking period of time access. blocking sorry, driveway. without any concern of when they will be towed. surprises me and block the fire hydrants. i made several inquiries with the police department about that and they never show up. we had several fireos this block

and frankly t is frightening to think a fire truck would not be able to get down the street because of access blocked. those are my major concerns, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. there are no upon more hands on zoom. >> public comment is closed. pretends this happened before i filibustered about my thoughts. i did hear from the owner suggestion of reas i understanding request for out door amplified sound permit. is that -- i'm sorry think he is

just i needed say. the speaker is remove friday the officer so there until we has a per mist in hand there will not just i needed say. the speaker is remove friday the officer so there until we has a per mist in hand there will not be a possibility of someone after the counsel down. turning the music down. there will not be a possibility of >> until you have a permit you want to have a permit for out door >> thank you for clarifying. regarding the alcohol we don't have alcohol on premesis may be next door there is a club and confusing us with the next door clubbing it is a common street for people using drugs all over the i see all the time not they belong to us they p cars off of

the hood it is every where not just part of us they think confusing us with the next door club peep walk with alcohol and being toxic. on that day it was irrelevant too much noise from every where from boom box and cars from fireworks from everything. that's -- more thoughts. i think there should be a continuance i don't comfortable voting. today. considering there was a violation since the left hearing and this is the most expectancyive permits i have seen asking for the most hours. you can have a seat now we are discussing. yea. i don't support this application as is. i would like to see more time and more trust and -- that's my

opinion. >> i agree. i support a continuance. as well as the citations want to make sure that behavior will be corrected i support a continuance. >> yea. again. i am in support of what you guys are doing i think the city needs what you are doing. but i'm not comfortable as well as of now. i think showing the commission you will be responsible is the key for my clothes to vote on this. and i will push per a continuance as well. >> showing your community, too. >> i think there are a lot of people thisment to work with you on this for the same reasons this we want to support you. had anthony said we want more businesses and want this for you.

but we want you to sigh you are being compliant and you are a good neighbor to your community. so, just to i'm not opposed to a continuance and think through when we mean by that. so they will not have a permit for any entertainment until we vote on it. right? so and are you thinking a continuance not the the beginning of february. fourth. the next time. it will be a little less than a month. of time for the lounge to be in operation but without a permit for entertainment so they will not be able to have live entertainment. >> i like to chairifiy it can't be late night food service, either. after 2 a.m. at this time.

not just entertainment and out door sound it includes foodservice after 2. >> thank you for this clarification i feel different low about the food service. under the same. >> agreed. >> so the expectation during this time they will not have entertainment at all. that's when we are asking. no entertainment and no violations and nolet night foodservice all of the above. >> the record the reason they can't get another one time permit is than i had 12 already. per year. >> the beginning of the year >> 12 month period. >> no. sorry. >> i personal low i understand where you guys are coming with this am i am conflictd and almost i'm also taupe giving them the benefit of the down the

and the opportunity knowing how in need of investment sixth street is. i want to give them the benefit down the. there were genuine misunderstandings about this event. and the continued issues with compliance. just because i know how much of know adverse economic impact one month of not being able to operate at this capacity could have on a struggling new business on this street. i did see today a good faith representation they will treat our staff respectfully and will comply. i'm split if you guys feel a continuance is needed to build this trust, i can defer to your decision here but i would be open to lookingament voting on it today as well. why i'm am i total low understand where you are all

coming from. part of mow feels the same way. how can i vote this today when than i have in the shown respect for the rules. on the other side what commissioner wong said is this running a business in san francisco is so hard. and i think their business is run with one time permits. that may be gave them a life line for this time. what i don't want to do is beingally put them in a situation that puts them so far behind that may lead to desperate issues. where often times we see businesses wildly out of compliance when they have nothing to lose. their backs are against the wall. i don't want to accidentally force that to upon send a message. i like to add that for will a

permit inspections are required. health, fire. plumb and building i have not heard from the business with the db oishgs if you were to vote tonight it does in the mean i would issue the permit i don't have the inspections yet. that's something to consider as well. >> can i so. i feel like the issue is about compliance. we had a bad track record so far. i either we don't issue the permit tonight and postpone it and holding them accountable for being in compliance with the condition of not having a permit. or issue we vote on the permit, issues it when she is able to based on the regulations and we are holding them a counselable for being in compliance with the permit conditions. we will be focussed on

accountament and compliance temperature is what are we holding them accountable to compliance. i'm really dubious about the track record, i feel like i would rather give them the benefit of the doubt and hold them accountable being in kwom mroins with permit conscience then and there the absence of a permit. >> right. >> if that makes sense >> i agree. i think we mode to give them a trial period to see if than i can perform and being in compliance. in this ali and your team is that you denying permit system a tough bar for you to reach we have really, really massive authority here to limit permit hours. . and so if we were to vote tonight i am leaning toward it employed idea of survive on

sixth street where san francisco need its and us dog this to send a message it something about this does in the fit when we can sends it like you said holding them to the permit. but if there are compliance measures you used emall your life lines you used them up before you got the permit we are on a knife's edge of whether or not we vote tonight on this. right? if there is any compliance issues, after this permit is issued. i will ask this permit holder you are called ba back and have a discussion about limits hours we can limit it down to nenlts of entertainment a day. once a year if we want. we have never dhan and never will. this is the wild power we have over hour we can do things.

you can go from thriving business to whon is witsdzed down. we tonight want to do that. right? the left thing we want to do especially for a business make it where you are trying to make temperature trust me i know how hard it is to run a business in the city when you are not in this neighborhood. right. what. right. so there is a we have real power here to focus our continued violations of the -- code. a question to staff in the staff recommendation. in the note there is say comment that sfpd tenderloin station

added a condition regarding capping the out door sound at 10 p.m. that's not part of the staff recommendation. without a -- you think that is not necessary? the -- input from tenderloin station was pretty sparse. they did not have over all concerns it was an e mail the thing i could suggest is capping it at 10 because of patron joiz a problem. the reason was not considered is because the -- vulnerable neighbors agreed to something else. windsor holing who share two walls and seneca across the alley. that's why it was not included. >> thank you very much. you could vote with pd's recommendation. scrolling down to look for the

there was an added note toward the themmed came in with edited hours. right? all of the agreed upon conscience with the two partiest hc and windsor one that is throw parties are in this staff recommendations. there was a lot of back and forth. >> right. >> i want to point out that the staff recommendation addressed the occurrence by the last commenter about stevenson alley.

even if not your own customers there you gotta move along. we got a permit we get blamed. that's a way that entertainment and night life simple helpful to the city of san francisco. when you have i bunch of spots that are open at night and security guards there they get safer lights on if a scream and something is happen and witnesses and people intercede -- that is the thinking we want to you come around to. as opposed some permit holders think i'm doing what you asked me don't ask mow to do anything it is not my problem or issue. you don't have to be batman and fix the neighborhood but just in your little area, if you make it safer, we you may come back a year from now and have neighbors that are stoke you'd are there.

and excited you move in the because the neighborhood became better. i have dhan many time in my businesses and really everyone wins that's why entertainment is great. i have one other suggestion. that came up is that if the foodservice for the under ehp is not a concern you could grant that separate if a poe. tonight. and allow for foodservice until 5 a.m. it requires inspection i still need those that knowledged be a separate approval to help them with hours of prescription to serve food. >> yes, ma'am >> they would have to return for an amendment. the poe separate. they would ha

for an amendment. the poe separate. so the full set of recommendations and this is what has been signed off on by everyone, including our staff,t hc. and the owner. is -- the good neighbor policy. foodservice allowed until 5 a.m. daily i. indoor entertainment allowed third degree and friday 5-throw:30 a.m. saturday 11 a.m.-throw:30 a.m. slevend to 10 p.m. out door amplified sound on roof allowed sunday-witness stand level-10. thursday 11-11. friday 11-1 a.m. not to exceed 8 hours per day. one security guard work thursday, friday and saturday. 6 p.m. to closing.

patrons queueing for entry should be lining up on sickth and away from stevenson al etch patrons discourage friday smoking or lightering there and sound, bait want internal limit approved as it has been done by staff. max measured inside and the permit holder includes out door sound so it does in the go beyond markod the dial. those other conditions. i think i am -- feeling like we should go ahead and vote on this tonight and with the understanding collective low that this is about an opportunity to build trust and measure compliance. to ensure this everyone is being

treated with respect. and -- that -- you know neighbors and the business owner and entertainment commission staff are all able to work well together and mitigate challenges that come up. does this sound like we we are >> i agree. i agree but i think that like i said before this is a really expectancyive permit and i think that i would be happy to vote if this were we could limit the hours. >> yea >> what would you. i would say indoor entertainment until 1 a.m. during thursday-friday, sunday fine can 10 out door sound 8 p.m. those other changes i would

make. more than the police. >> yea. >> like i want to you get the hours like i said. but i want us to have a period of time where you can show us can comply with limited hour instead of having -- more expectancyive hours than most of permit holders in the city. that's a little much for me. personally i see where you are coming from which i get t. i think one issue might be the extension past 2 a.m. we might discuss. that is a privilege not a right. you know very few people have

the that. so, i think if we will talk about limiting hours that might be what i was -- that is what i would be comfortable looking at wlo they can go until 2 a.m. cut the out door music at 10 or 11 or 12 or 1 or 2 i found out door music not that effective bring and keeping business it is ambien music on a patio. we might look at limiting thelet night option. i would be comfortable with that. >> you suggest limit indoor until 2 a.m. and out door until 8 or 10. >> the agreement was 3:30. >> out door. >> the latest to 11. 1 a.m. on friday and saturday. keep the out door the same.

>> remember they have to keep the volume at the prescribed rate or out of compliance, too. that's all before 2 a.m. i personal low would rather vote on the extended hours if this is we all discuss and want to like to do something that's where i would draw my own line. vote we would be voting separate low on extended hour opposed poe >> in the case that if we were to limit somewhere i think i would be comfortable limiting up to 2 a.m.

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with the staff recommendations as written except for number 3 to amend it to say indoor amount allowed thursday to friday 5 p.m. to 2 a.m. saturday 11 to 2 a.m. and sunday 11 to 10 p.m. i will second that. i want to speak to the ownership team help us help you and play by the rules and treat our staff and inspectors respectful low because we want this to work out. >> one more thing. if we vote on this and vote, yes the motions are out there. can you questions are for staff

later on. you don't have a permit. not until had dbi inspection come through this means we cannot issue this permit until dbi inspection come through that means from now to whenever that happens you are existing in the same space on new years no entertainment or late night. nothing. no out door. >> that's not on us that is you and dbi, right. it is we need that to be signed off on. if should is voted on don't run out and be, party's on. it is in the until this happens

if you have questions for staff after for clarifications and things. >> but -- also you will get visits from us and not harassment that's when we do for a living they are checking on every person especially 1s that have a history of noncompliance we are coming. guaranteed. it will happen. even a private event >> a private event >> that will be fun if you had i private event and be like, whoa! we have a motion and a second and comments before we vote. if this vote does not work we are back and have another vote >> all right. >> okay. >> president bleiman >> aye >> vice president wong >> aye >> commissioner davis >> no >> commissioner perez >> aye >> commissioner poggio >> no >> commissioner schlander jury

room aye >> commissioner thomas >> aye >> >> all right employment to follow up with staff after. this complicated what happened. agenda item is commissioner comments and questions. >> happy new year >> nothing going on. >> the jp morgan health care conference >> events going on with that.

we have a new mayor. >> and weekend happening. i'm doing a party for that. will be good >> we inform rolling stone magazine. we put the article in your folder. >> yes. >> thankfully. >> and name, i believe >> a great quote. >> people you by name. >> whoa >> i think >>. yea >> both of you will be in rolling sdoen i'm not sure the exact reason. all right. is there public comment on our final item? >> no public comment >> public comment is closed. the meeting is adjourned at 7:05.

>> san francisco has always been very diverse, very progressive

and not only open in other ways but music as well. musicians always want to try to find something new to play and if they are thinking about playing something new or different. i'm the product of the san francisco schools. i started when i was 10. i joined the band and that was the most interesting instrument to play. and you have to be able to put

yourselves in different situations. that's what made me better. if you do with two or three ingredients, that makes it pretty boring. most people know me for playing with carlos santana, touring the world all over the place. phenomenal place with music and also being around him you have a lot of fun and learning a lot about music and things beyond music too. this place is history, i have been here many many times like any 70s and seen some really incredible groups and that is being here a number of times is kind of a full circle moment. it's really something that we cherish when we play is getting

the energy back and forth with the audience and kind of a symbiotic thing. playing for the home crowd and your family is really a meaningful thing to be and just a fun place to be in. a lot of great memories seeing so many

>> i'm rebecca and i'm a violinist and violin teacher. i was born here in san francisco to a family of cellists, professional cellists, so i grew up surrounded by a bunch of musical rehearsals an lessons. all types of activities happened in my house. i began playing piano when i was 4. i really enjoyed musical activities in general. so when i was 10, i began studying violin in san francisco. and from there, i pretty much never stopped and went on to study in college as well. that's the only thing i've ever known is to have music playing all the time, whether it is someone actually playing next to you or someone listening to a

recording. i think that i actually originally wanted to play flute and we didn't have a flute. it's always been a way of life. i didn't know that it could be any other way. >> could you give me an e over here. great. when you teach and you're seeing a student who has a problem, you have to think on your feet to solve that problem. and that same kind of of thinking that you do to fix it applies to your own practice as well. so if i'm teaching a student and they are having a hard time getting a certain note, they can't find the right note. and i have to think of a digestible way to explain it to them. ee, d, d, e. >> yes. then, when i go on to do my own practice for a performance,

those words are echoing back in my head. okay. why am i missing this? i just told somebody that they needed to do this. maybe i should try the same thing. i feel a lot of pressure when i'm teaching young kids. you might think that there is less pressure if they are going on to study music or in college that it is more relaxing. i actually find that the opposite is true. if i know i'm sending a high school student to some great music program, they're going to get so much more instruction. what i have told them is only the beginning. if i am teaching a student who i know is going to completely change gears when they go to college and they never will pick up a violin again there is so much that i need to tell them. in plain violin, it is so difficult. there is so much more information to give. every day i think, oh, my gosh. i haven't gotten to this technique or we haven't studies

they meese and they have so much more to do. we only have 45 minutes a week. i have taught a few students in some capacity who has gone on to study music. that feels anaysing. >> it is incredible to watch how they grow. somebody can make amazing project from you know, age 15 to 17 if they put their mind to it. >> i think i have 18 students now. these more than i've had in the past. i'm hoping to build up more of a studio. there will be a pee ono, lots of bookshelves and lots of great music. the students will come to my house and take their lessons there. my schedule changes a lot on a day-to-day basis and that kind of keeps it exciting. think that music is just my favorite thing that there is,

whether it's listening to it or playing it or teaching it. all that really matters to me is that i'm surrounded by the sounds, so i'm going top keep doing what i'm doing to keep my life in that direction.

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another situation academically where we learn about each other. and the art part i believe is a launching pad for the relationship building:see myself well. and if i don't try when my mom again. she may beat the hell out of mow if i don't try >> seniors, the population encounters the problem of loneliness and isolation even in a residential community there hen a loss of a spouse. leaving their original home. may be not driving anymore and so for us to be ail to bring the classes and art to those people where hay are and we work with people in all walks of life and circumstances but want to finds the people that are isolated and you know bring the warmth there

as much as art skill its personal connection. men their family can't be well for them. i can be their fell and feel it. >> i don't have nobody. people say, hi, hi. hello but i don't know who they are. but i come here like on a wednesday, thursday and friday. and i enjoy. >> we do annual surveys asking students what our program does for them. 90 plus % say they feel less alone, they feel more engaged. they feel more socially connected the things you hope for in general as we age. right? >> and see when i do this. i am very quiet. i don't have anybody here

talking to me or telling me something because i'm concentrating on had i'm doing and i'm not talking to them. >> not just one, many students were saying the program had absolutely transformational for them. in said it had saved their lives. >> i think it is person to support the program. because i think ida elder communities don't get a lot of space in disability. we want to support this program that is doing incredible work and giving disability and making this program what supports the art and health in different way bunkham art as a way of expression. a way of like socializing and giving artists the opportunity

also to make art for the first time, sometimes and we are excited that we can support this stories and honor their stories through art. we hope the people will feel inspired by the variety and the quality of the creative expressions here and that viewers come, way with a greater appreciation of the richness what elders have to share with us. [music] >> when i in height in

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michelle ginsberg. >> i'm chris and you are watching san francisco riegz the show that focused on reguilding and reimagining our city our guest is the general manager of the san francisco rec and parks, with us to talk about new parks, music and other developments. mr. ginsberg, welcome. >> thank you a pleasure to be here >> nice to see you again. >> last time was during the pandemic and virtual. so it is good to be back here. >> indeed. before we get in specifics, let's start with a broad question, how can will park's system play a part in the economic recovery? >> well, our parks system playing an important role throughout the pandemic. parks were here when people in san francisco needed them the most. a place where people could

gather and could care for mentality health and fizz cat health and have a sense of community and a sense of place during a really weird time. and now that things are reopening and figure out how to recover, parks are going to continue to play a significant role >> people are out and having a good time. there are special events happening in parks. concerts and the weather is good. the best way parks play a role in our economic recovery is to motivate -- people to come to our city from other places and to motivate our residents to get out and enjoy themselves >> exciting to her we opened a new park and there is another. what is special about the 2 new projects? >> sure. san francisco is going through, i think, a park renaissance. we opened the francisco park,

which is just magnificent property that sits on top of an old reservoir dating back to the gold rush and has tremendous views of the golden gate bridge and bay and a place where you can bring kids. a cool play ground to bring dogs an amazing dog park. a meadow to watch the fireworks. fog willing. fleet week, community gardens, it is just such an incredible unique space. we are proud of it. >> and then right down the road in a few years, we will be pleased to welcome everybody to india basin in the bay view in the southeast part along the southern water front. 1.7 miles of waterfront that until recently has been under utilized and under fulfill in the a community this needs it

the most. india basin is really a feel moment for the bay view and southeastern part of san francisco. it is going to be san francisco's next great and one of the most important parks >> that's fantastic. now, we have a great history of having conference in parks. can you touch on the year's highlights? >> upcoming and on going. this is something i'm particularly excited about. i don't think there is ever have been more music in san francisco parks than there is right now >> so, let's go around the city and talk about music. stern grove, is in the 85th concert season. back after the pandemic. in this just fabulously treasured meadow. free concerts all summer long. in golden gate park, at the man shell not guilty music concourse

free concerts 4 days a week. wednesday, friday, saturday and sundays. we have sing are song writer wednesday. jazz and seoul on friday. communities performances on saturdays of different kindses and sundays reggae it is extraordinary. and of course, later this summer we are pleased to welcome back outside lands for an exciting 3 days and 3 nights of incredible concerts and food and community. as we go across the city, we got wonderful performances in the jerry theatre in mc clarnin park a special jerry day coming back to the theatre. on june 21st we had make music day appearing all over the city in park in civic center. on the marina green. again in golden gate park.

it has been a great time for music and ties into the recovery and the tremendous energy where we are feeling and -- you know anybody who says san francisco is struggling needs to hang out in the park system. where well is joy and beaut and he inspiration every day. >> so, the san francisco board of supervisors passed legislation to make jfk drive in will golden gate park car free. how have residents responds. >> the san francisco residents responds positive. families. bicyclists, joggers, people with dogs and people from every corner of san francisco have discovered that jfk promenade is a treasure. it enhances the parks so much. imagine a beautiful day in the park and weather on foot or on bike you are strolling down jfk,

you pass sixth avenue and head to the music concourse for a concert or the museum; it is joyous and made golden gate park sproord. i have been hering about disk golf and pickle ball. can you tell us about and where people can practice and play. >> i knew you were going. pickle ball the fastest growing sports. you know across between 10 and is ping pong and may be with a whiffle ball. ping pong on a life sized course it is easy to learn about skill based people who are good are irrelevant good and it is easy to play. it is fun and accessible. we are trying to accommodate sport. we have over 55 courts around san francisco. 11 dedicated just for pickle

balt others per pickle ball and tennis. we have 5 or 10 space you can play pickle ball indoors and keeping up with the tremendous popularity of the sport. disk golf has a loyal following it is also going to continue to growch we opened our first disk golf course in golden gate park in 2005. and you know, whether you are an expert at disk golf or beginner, the idea of chucking a frisbee through the beautiful park and. it does not matter what you score t. is just a good excuse to be outside and enjoy a beautiful day in nature. >> exactly. well, thank you. i really appreciate you coming on the show, thank you for the time you have given us tuesday. >> thank you, i hope everybody enjoys summer.

get out and play in san francisco's parks. >> thanks again. that's it for this episode we will back with another shortly you have been watching san francisco rising i'm chris manners, thanks for >> my name is nary shay assistant fire marshal. assigned at fire pro investigation. i was born in hong kong age 8 me and my family- (indiscernible) i grew up in sunset area and all employment jaibs are with the sitdy of san francisco. when i was growing up my parents were traditional chinese parents. they emphasized school. they didt want us to join or

play sports because they said school is the only thing that important and want us to get a college education. i envisioned myself maybe being a doctor. after high school i went to uc berkeley and major in bio chem. after college what i did happen is-what happened was i landed a job at ucsf and was a research associate there. one day me and my co worker were talking and don't know how it came about, they talked about fire department and someone mentioned i would be good for the fire department. even though i didn't play much sports i was still athletic. fire department, what will i do in the fire department because i didn't know there were women on the engines and trucks and didn't know the difference between engine and truck. the same night i was watching tv and there was a

commercial of the fire department recruiting women firefighter and there was a woman all dressed and tolds to go to division of training and 27 and a half year later i'm erhoo. when there is more presence of asian person, asian community it educates the population and helps people understand our community rchl ism i think people hate because they don't understand. i will tell the young women that definitely consider you know, a career in the fire service. don't just think it is just for men, because the fire service is not just suppression. suppression is one portion of it it. there are different parts of it. there is ems portion, the medical portion, the fire prevention portion, and there is also the fire investigative portion.

all of the departments needs to work together to keep the city of safe, not just the citizens safe, also the first responders. i thinks the career in the fire department is great. i start #d as a firefighter, i had the opportunity to also become a paramedic and then i landed in fire prevention. i'm very happy at fire prevention because not only am i able to enforce the code and make changes to help the citizen of san francisco be safe in their homes or place of business, but i think my work also make sure that my fellow firefighters and first respond ers, when they respond to a fire, the building is also safe for them.