address this committee regarding this item number 14 and that was your opportunity to approach selection. >> madam chair, we have no speakers. thank you. seeing no public comment public comment is now closed. >> this item will be coming to full bore if we send it out today on february 4th. >> that's correct. >> just so that you have you have some sense of the timeline and so with that i would like to make to move forward with this item with recommendation and a roll call, please. >> and on that motion to forward to the full board with positive recommendation, vice chair dorsey and dorsey i remember and guardian and guardian i church and i chennai we have three eyes and motion passes. >> let's make sure that the department of public health knows they need to provide that information. >> thank you. and mr. clerk please call item number 15. >> yes. item number 15 is a resolution approving and authorizing the director of property on behalf of the police department to execute a license of a portion of the

real property located at one 199 forest road building 278 with the u.s. department of homeland security u.s. coast guard for an initial term of five years at an initial annual base rent of $0 effective november 1st, 2024 through october 31st, 2029. and authorizing the director to enter into amendments or modifications to the license that did not materially increase the obligations nor liabilities to the city and are necessary to effectuate the purposes of the license or this resolution. >> madam chair, thank you. and again we have director pinnick here. >> good afternoon members of the committee and rick pinnick, director of real estate. this is a unique opportunity that the police have been able to take advantage of. and before you asking for your positive recommendation for a license agreement and forest road at your bueno gardens with the federal through the coast

guard as you'll see in the photographs, the building in question is this beige building as you see on the right on the left you can see an overview. it's a hilltop location and you can see that the building which is if you're looking on the left hand side of your screen is in the lower left surrounded by several other facilities that are continued to be owned and operated by the coast guard . >> by way of background, treasure island in your brain island are currently being served by the san francisco police department or sfpd at their substation on avenue of the palms on treasure island. that lease is due to expire on november 30th of 2025. the proposed facility the proposed new facility on forest road and uruguayan island will replace the existing substation foreshore road has been utilized by the coast guard

since 1973 as a command center for the san francisco vessel traffic services. the coast guard has relocated the operations and staff to a new facility. however, its electronic equipment and other facilities remain on site and the coast guard retains ownership of the property as the coast guard is no longer using the building in question, they've agreed to license it to the police department for their use. the premises is approximately 20 700ft2 and we are leasing a portion of the building the remainder of the building houses electronic equipment maintained by the coast guard. the term is five years expiring october 31st, 2029. there is no rent. the city, however will be responsible for operating expenses which includes maintenance, repair, utilities and any modifications that the police would like to make that are approved by the coast guard. there is a termination

provision the federal can terminate this lease, this license excuse me at any time at their sole discretion the city can terminate upon two months advance notice to the coast guard. that concludes my presentation. i'm available for your questions. thank you. >> item 15 this is a resolution that approves a license for the police department to occupy property on yerba buena island that's owned by the u.s. coast guard. this license has a five year term and zero costs so there's no rent that's from the city to the coast guard. >> and the purpose of the lease or the license is to allow the police to expand their presence on treasure island this site will require tenant improvements to be able for the

police to be able to use it as a substation that they have not entered the site yet it's my understanding and so we're kind of really early in the and the process of identifying the needs and the cost for what that might be. i think based on similar projects i think this could cost between 700,000 and $2.5 million. so we can look at this in the budget to make sure that it's adequately funded. but i think in the meantime this is a no cost lease with a entity so it's not creating any liability for this city while the needs assessment takes place. we recommend approval of item 15. >> thank you. vice chair dorsey thank you so much. i was aware for some time that there were discussions on this so i'm grateful to see that this move forward. obviously you can't beat the rent on this. i will i will just mention that this is these are juniper bueno island and treasure island are both in my district and this is an area where there's a lot of housing coming online and we're going to see a population that

goes from about 2000 to 20,000 in the next several years. so i think this is i don't know if this will be the long term solution but it may i guess we'll we'll see. i know we're early in the process but i'm going to be supporting this and i just want to no question i just want to appreciate your your work on this. >> thank you. i'm just kind of curious i think that there's going to be i think there are like police stations frankly in need of upgrades, seismic upgrades. some of them are actually not i think they're coming to a question that they've been such oh building i'm thinking central police station for example is the police department does the police department actually have a capital planning division? i'm working actively with you and with brian shang which is at the capital planning folks and really figuring out the future of the police department in terms of capital planning because similar to what i concur doesn't him and vice

chair dorsey the reality is if you have a continued increase of population not just in your baboy na and in treasure island but really throughout the city you're bound to increase funding and investment in infrastructure and i can think of police station as well as fire station are really where we need so does the police department because i don't see them here today. >> so i'm asking you does the police department actually has a capital planning division be able to plan this out? well, chu chan and rico planning director real estate i hate to speak for the police department or chief scott in his absence. i would say from my observation from being in real estate that the police are well aware of their capital needs and their need for expansion as well as diversity. the the the police department and fire department as you know can't centralized they really need to be in every community and that poses a challenge.

so i see that they are well aware of it and they're in the process of developing capital facility infrastructure. they do have a small real estate unit within the police department. it's seen a few staff changes over the last couple of years. captain falzon was in charge of it for quite some time. he's moved on and there's been a few changes and i now i believe that johnny wong heads that that unit at the moment so i think that they're in the process of building the capacity that that you speak of but they are well aware of the problem. >> thank you. >> and i think this is a reminder for this body as well that as a committee is that we're are going to see the capital plan coming to us for approval and that is should be no later than march. and i think that i want to urge members on this body to receive briefing from the capital planning from from director strong by and strong to

indicate you know what we want to see and what it is both in the bankruptcy city but as well as bond projects that we should be thinking about and consider as a body that's coming to our approval by march. i hope that we have conversation now and not waiting till till march. >> so with that i would like to go to public comment on this item. >> yes, members of the public who wish to address this committee regarding this item number 15 that was your chance madam chair. >> we have no speakers seeing no public comments public comment is now closed and colleagues, i would like to move this item to four board which recommendation zero rent and with tha a roll call please. >> and now that motion the forward to the full board to the positive recommendation vice chair dorsey and dorsey i remember in cardio and cardio i chair chan i chennai we have three eyes the motion passes and and mr. clerk do we have

any other business before us today? >> madam chair that concludes our business. the meeting is adjourned . >> the pledge of allegiance. allegiance to the flag.

nation under god indivisible. >> fire commission regular meeting january 22nd 2025 5:00 pm. the time is now 5:02 p.m.. this meeting will be held in person at city hall room 400. members of the public attending the meeting in person will have an opportunity to provide public comment. members of the public participating remotely may access the meeting and participate remotely by following the instructions below. members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes per item. >> public comment call in 14156550001. meeting id (266) 384-5569 to ensure you are in a quiet

location speak clearly and turn off background sounds television phones radios. wait for the item you would like to address to be called when prompted. press star three to be added to the queue the system will notify you when you are in line. callers will hear silence while waiting for your turn to speak. operator will unmute. you may also watch live at w w dot s.f. gov tv.org. >> item number one roll call president ami morgan. >> present vice president marci frazier. present commissioner steven aina cudjoe president commissioner kathryn feinstein is excused. commissioner paula collins chief of department dean. >> present president morgan will now read the ramp to albany land acknowledgment. >> thank you, madam secretary. the san francisco fire

commission acknowledge we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramakrishna lani who are the original inhabitants of san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions the raw material they have never ceded lost nor forgotten their responsibility as the caretakers of this place and as well for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory as guests we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland and we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors ,elders and relatives of the romi future lani community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. >> item number two. general public comment. members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commission's jurisdiction that does not

appear on the agenda. speakers shall address the remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department personnel. commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with the speaker. the lack of a response by the commissioners or department personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comments. >> at this time is there any public comment? >> madam secretary, i guess i see one person approaching the podium. >> sir, you have three minutes starting now. >> i'm not approaching. i'm here with you. you always give me an opportunity to know where to start. masks are not recommended. >> that's it. welcome. chief, it's interesting. interestingly on its theory fear interestingly, your honor, to have been nominated yesterday is the day

commemorating the king of france being guillotined 232 years ago. it's a slight digression i'm doing here on the 25th of january 1793. >> okay, let's go to the fire situation here. >> look, you it takes a seven year old to know that the first thing that the organic fire let alone a wildfire are the first thing that a fire burns is would trees. >> no, you pay attention. >> so you sleep and you look at what has been going on in los angeles. >> everything is destroyed but the trees are still there. so now with your 30 four years

of experience it's going to be impossible for you to contradict this. otherwise you are thrown under the bus here because you will have to lawyer. >> so you need to address this intelligently. i mean an intelligence is incredible. they give you these? no, they know that you know that everybody knows what's going on. >> okay. never mind. i'm taking my messages from this case. >> i'm not i'm not eliminated. so here is the message i received and my interpretation of it. there's going to be another major attack by all faked governments on the on type operation of the us a precisely . on july 5th, 1920 this 25 i'm here to what it if you don't

listen and do not do not try to help me swatting these attacks there is a higher very high probability that you have less than five months to live. >> so the survivors want other cell phones in their hands. >> right. and probably will take care of the smart meters on their houses because the attacks are going to use that building with or manipulation, etc. lucha, it is serious. they're going to be a few more attacks before and that's why we have a good your time to thank you for your report. >> there you are. all right so at this time is there any more public comment? madam secretary, i do not see anyone on the public comment line and i do not see anyone approaching the podium.

>> item number three commissioner comments and questions. and so at this time i'll make a very important disclosure at a closed session of the special meeting on december 20th of 2024. i am pleased to announce that the commission voted unanimously in favor of nominating chief our new chief dean as chief of the department. >> i'm honored to have item number four approval of the minutes discussion and possible action discussion and possible action to approve meeting minutes minutes from regular meeting on january 8th, 2025

okay. at this time is there any questions or comments for the regular meeting from january 2025 from my fellow commissioners and we also have to call for public comment. >> and is there any public comment? i do not see anyone approaching the podium and i do not see any anyone on the public comment line. >> so is there a motion i move to accept the minutes i'll second president morgan how they voted president. commissioner ocasio how do you vote for your motion passes amended minutes from regular meeting on june 12th, 2024 call for public comment. >> is there any public comment ,madam secretary, on that topic for the minute i see

someone approaching the podium . do you have public comment related to this item? sure. from the three minutes from january the 8th that it's it's approval of the minutes the fire was already on in early so what what did you talk about? >> i don't know. you need to focus everything on this. how difficult it is to understand you do it with self-control. >> thank you. okay for the amendment minutes from regular meeting june 12th the minutes were amended do i have a motion to adopt the amended minutes to a second vote? yea. >> commissioner castro how do you vote? i have a question mr. president and commissioners this is our amended minutes from june the 12th and i just wanted to make

sure that all of the commissioners were. have to review the amended verbiage on page six of this report other than that i vote yeah. i said well yeah it was in our packets to refresh our memories with the topic was we didn't yeah it was just a personnel hiring of of madam secretary and we will disclose in closed session we said no action was taken but we were wrong so obviously we offered her the job so that's why the minutes were amended that's all it was just you know, dotting the i's and crossing our teeth. yeah. okay. so the motion passes. >> yes. item number five. chief of departments report discussion report from chief of department dean chrisman report on current issues activities

and events within the department since the fire commission meeting on january eight, 2025 including budget. academies specially vents, communications and outreach to other government agencies and the public. good evening chief department then president morgan, commissioner frazier, commissioner nicole joe commissioner collins welcome to the meeting. i would first like to announce our new command staff members who were placed in these positions as of yesterday. >> deputy chief of operations patrick rabbit and deputy chief of administration so you me, brandon and the following is my commission report for january

22nd 2025. the following are the activities and events that myself and in some cases chief tong participated in since the announcement of my position january 8th, 2025 i attended the mayor's swearing in at civic center plaza. january 10th, 2020 5q1 announcement i clearly attended that one january 10th, 2025 attended the swearing in of supervisors connie chen and shyanne chen at the far east cafe and chinatown on january 11th attended the swearing in of supervisor mahmood at one jones street january 11th, 2025 attended the swearing in for supervisor cheryl at the presidio officers club january 14th, 2025 attended the public safety st teams discussion and january 15th 2025 attended demak and budget priorities meetings january 18th, 2025

attended a created and attended a water supply demonstration at our fire boat station 35 pier 22.5. we appreciate the attendance of commissioner frazier and commissioner nicole jo to that event january 20th, 2025. the command staff and other members of the department marched in the mlk freedom march. president morgan and commissioner collins marched with us as well. january 21st, 2025 labor management meeting was 798 also on january 20th 2020 first 2025 attended a street teams meeting. >> second street teams meeting today we address the 135 104 35th age to recruit academy a 54 new recruits probationary members and we also toured the

treasure island training facility. i would like to conclude my comments with a deep appreciation of the two departing command staff members who have provided an amazing amount of knowledge and shown a lot of class and teaching us as new members of the administration all of the knowledge and the ins and outs of these positions and taking extra time to sit with us and show us the proper way to do this job and to show us guidance and we really appreciate that. so i'd like to show a special appreciation to chief darius trump and chief shane kylo. thank you very much. we're honored to have you here tonight.

you're still going to come to the meetings and finally chief sandy tong, she didn't want to attend this evening because that's the kind of person she is. she's under the radar but her personality and her job knowledge and her commitment to the city have been very prominent. she has over 30 years of committed service to the city. the paramedic rank and age 33 rank and management and eventually elevating to the chief of department during a tumultuous time in our department's history and stepping up to the plate and doing a fantastic job under some difficult circumstances. and again, as i said about the other two deputies just been very helpful in our transition

and been very giving of information and i really want to say thank you to chief tang for that. thank you to i'd like to conclude with an update on our involvement in the los angeles fires so on january 8th received the call for assistance. we sent two strike teams type one strike team which is essentially our front line operators. we sent five engines type one engines and a strike team leader and their specific job was structure protection at the palisades fire we also sent a type six strike team which consisted of three type six apparatus which are essentially large pickup trucks and they are more accessible and while urban interface areas they weren't responded to the eaton fire and they're more involved

in urban interface type firefighting we also sent ten members on a task force three out of menlo park. they respond to the palisades fire and they demoed today so they're on their way back. in addition, some firefighters from san francisco had family members that lost homes there and on a volunteer basis they responded down there to assist and to provide support for those members. those two members should be acknowledged. lieutenant cary grant and lieutenant hi may lopez this concludes my report for january 22nd, 2025. >> thank you for your great report, chief and thanks for acknowledging the command staff and congratulations to the news cd2 and city three and at this time is there their public comment please?

i see someone approaching the podium. this is public comment related to item number five chief of department report. >> sir, you have three minutes. thank you. aloha. look, thank you. >> i won't come to every meeting and that's definitely not look, you need to realize what's going on here so you have nothing to fear if you tell the truth intelligently nothing is going to lift you up. you won't even believe it. >> you have no choice. we are talking about a revolution here which has to happen as peacefully as possible. >> we are all in it. >> we are in big trouble. you are in big trouble. i'm fine because i'm speaking the truth so you have to focus. i mean you can't do anything in

there. you are sending these guys to do what they don't even have water and we know why you the destruction is planned. we won't forget our and before what you did we will never forget how many people will jail there step by step you might be dead in six months guys so i'm wanting you. you better listen to what i'm telling you and follow basically some turn of all the officer i'm giving you. you need to address the problem you are making. you are making yourself as you turn your self as total fools here. >> what is this? you know what fire is about tired so you deal with it.

>> have a nice night. thank you. so i guess there's no more public comment. >> i'm going to check for public comment line. i see one person on the public comment line. >> caller would you like to make a public comment? if so please raise your hand by pressing star three caller would you like to make any public comment? okay. all right. the caller did not seem to wish to make public comment. >> okay. thank you madam secretary.

>> we tried so so so in terms of the new chief report a great report and and once again i just want to thank you for saluting chief carlo and chief up. it was a pleasure working with them and they were great to work with, great leadership and congratulations, you know, to the new chiefs as well. i look forward to working with you as well at this point is there any question for chief chrisman from the other commissioners who wants to go first? mr. frazier i just want to thank you for your report. >> it's really nice to have you here. >> welcome. thank you. wish you well and all your endeavors and i know your plate is more than full. i also want to thank our outgoing chiefs chief for a trip to koloa. you were here when i first joined theommission. i learned a lot from both of you. you're very generous with your

time and so i thank you. and i also want to congratulate late chief rabbit in chief so you, me and congratulations and i wish you well too. i think we're entering a new era, of course. and i'm looking forward to working with you. thank you. and you. thank you for frazier. >> i mean count i know it's awfully hard but i don't have it's the next one. >> it's the next one. the one next to you sitting in the wrong place. yeah, but i got it. >> i got it. well, transitions are never easy but this one was made easy by the depth of talent in this department. >> it it impressed me considerably as we were going through our interviews. it impressed me first when i joined and everyone was so helpful in bringing a newbie up

to speed looking at the history of what's been accomplished, the challenges that are ahead i feel so confident that this fire department is going to do exactly what we needed to do. i think i couldn't be more proud to be a commissioner in this department. i thank you so much for the work that you do every day the things we know about the things we don't know about and it's it's just a really exceptional group of group of professionals and our new leader we anything we can do to help continue that wonderful record. >> you know we're here so thank you. >> mr. nakajima thank you very much. >> president morgan as you can

tell, chief, that every one of us, the commissioners have something to say and part of this experience is going to be at some point or another myself with my comments or my questions and sometimes i get a little bit long. bear with me. i appreciate your acknowledgment, arthur both past chiefs color and i'm thorough but also the introduction as the rest of the commissioners to chief rabbit and chief mac thank you. sorry i'm i equally was impressed with them all their quality and proud of the membership that applied for the position i think it also reflects part of the talent that we have within our department as well and i as the rest of the commissioners have remarked of our support not only to this department but to

you chief as the incoming chief of the department. welcome. congratulations to you and your family as we ventures ourselves into this very trying period of the next couple of years. so i just wanted to be able to say that as well and express that and also express my appreciation with the rest of the commissioners and congratulations to the new chiefs coming in. >> thank you, mr. president. yeah, thank you, commissioner garcia. and i just want to say congratulations to the new chief. >> looking forward to working with you. >> you know, and i know it was a collaborative effort with the commission and the mayor, but i guess we got the right guy, you know, because we all land on the right guy and you're definitely one of the people we nominated because you knocked it out of the park in interviews you already knew that. right.

and and also i want to thank commissioner nakajima for working with human resources, doing the interviews for setting it up. i mean he did a lot of work that that wasn't noticed collaborating with human resources and online and everything you know, planning the schedule it was kind of tough going through the holidays and so round of applause for commissioner and because you know he did a lot of work and i just want to make my agent and thank you and it worked out great and the mayor got his man and we got our chief and everybody's happy now and we can go forward. >> other than that, thank you for your report and wish you the best of luck and anything we can do to help. we're there. yeah. just one other question how many total people did we finally or is that 4141 okay. yeah, i just heard they had a

new fire just popped out today or something. >> did you hear about that or any details on that? >> they did and in fact it's the huge fire near lake hughes and a place called castaic, california. as of this afternoon it was 5000 acres and we're in the process of redeploying some of our units over there to assist as necessary. so that's a developing situation. >> we hope later this weekend we'll be keeping a close eye on it. but obviously the winds are back up so to concern unfortunate. okay. so i guess we'll be moving on. do we have to go to public comment again madam secretary? not yet. thank you for your report, chief. yeah, i guess at this time yeah. >> reporter from san carlo administration deputy chief sammy brannan. >> oh, okay. report on the administrate of division fleet and facility status and updates finance

support services and homeland security. good evening. thank you, president morgan vice president frazier, commissioner kodjoe and commissioner collins, please speaking to the mic chief. >> thank you chief. command staff and fire commission secretary kathy and everyone who's here this evening thank you very much for the welcome and the congratulations. i really appreciate it. this is a deputy chief of administration jane carlos report. i have the honor of presenting it for him starting today with the report from homeland security assistant deputy chief erica brown disaster manual updates and disaster checklist project is ongoing. >> we had tsunami warning coordination and tornado activation and as a matter of fact i was in santa cruz when that tornado hit so receiving all those tsunami warnings on my phone and driving carefully,

i did make it through but it was when it hit scotts valley i was actually right there when it happened so i did not see the devastation but i did the next morning when i drove through to go back home and thank you and i know that being prepared is extremely important especially for disasters, natural ones that are unexpected training and exercise department of technology citywide cybersecurity, tabletop this was with all city department leads by there was led by the department of technology to discuss continuity of our technological systems and backup plans also tabletop and strategic leadership course as well. preparations started for nba all-star game which is happening in february. >> the at the same time of our chinese new year parade. so we're making plans at this time to coordinate our efforts and make sure we have enough staffing and that we're prepared for both events at the

same time. super bowl 2026 and world cup soccer 2026 preparation is also underway from outreach, recruitment and development lord lieutenant hashem andersen and firefighter ariana wilson they've been preparing this next process for recruitment and hiring. i was honored to be a part of that as well for this last process that happened for this academy that began yesterday. 54 students were very excited for their for their journey through this academy and the preparation was intense. we were out there recruiting affinity groups were also participating. our core committee community outreach recruitment and education committee was also out there at all the events that happened throughout the year recruiting i can speak for the united fire service woman affinity group. we had a lot of preparation for

interviews and this award committee did the same thing. the sword group did the same thing and we were out there recruiting, conducting introductory bootcamps for a lot of women out there and i know that the black firefighters association and the asian firefighters association were also working diligently to recruit and participate in assisting them through the interview process. we did say goodbye to assistant deputy chief shaun buford on his last day. we wish him the best in retirement but he has been coming by to check in on us from time to time. the effects test i'm sure you all know we have moved on to the effects test. we're no longer doing the ntn so in order to acclimate those candidates that are applying for this department, we have preparation classes that we're

offering at division of training this partnership with sfa who aims to inspire and empower african-american young men in the san francisco unified school district to succeed in college and post-secondary institutions. so there's a lot of that outreach that's been going on with lieutenant anderson and a lot of volunteers through city college and nerd and even the reserves as well. >> lieutenant anderson did a career fair at santa rosa junior college and there's also a lot of community fairs that have been going on throughout the city, especially in chinatown at the centers where a lot of our emt is from station 49 and paramedics are contributing to the communities community centers by offering treatment not treatment but education on first aid.

>> and they're demonstrating this lifeline program that is getting their recommendations for treatment, their information from their doctors and their medications. and it's been translated in five different languages and they're distributing that as well. the committee that's doing that is the core committee again with the ems division and we have members of ems that are voluntarily going out there and educating the public mission high school fire, ems this was in the fall of 2024. again, you can see here in the pictures we have a student on the top left hand corner trying on our turnout uniforms. we're also talking about safety firefighter survival. there's a student in the middle top middle picture with the circular saw. so we're definitely talking safety there and the kind of equipment that we use at actual incidences.

i think the shock is mostly the weight of it and then how do you control it when it's actually on? they didn't turn it on just you know, hashem anderson on the right is showing pressure coming out of a hose. i know commissioner frazier we did this together at our five inch hose drill. thank you for coming to that. we put commissioner frazier on the hose as well and you can see a picture there of the entire group and practicing person at the nozzle and a backup person behind them. health and safety this is battalion chief matt alber. >> he's been working on it in nutrition study orientation. this actually happened just recently and i was actually honored to be a part of it. 120 volunteer firefighters from the san francisco fire department have been placed randomly in increments of 20

participants per per study. this is a meat and dairy based diet versus a plant based diet. i haven't been informed which one i'll be doing but i'm looking for i'm looking forward to either way it goes. >> there's definitely some participant that are hoping to go one way or the other and i think that the biggest challenge is when you're in the firehouse how you will maintain that a specific diet in order to get the testing and accurate results from this they will be taking blood and things like that to check on our on our numbers for cancer research and also just basic overall health and nutrition research. >> they're also conducting a fuel pump study investigating how fire station design and indoor environmental quality impact cancer risks among firefighters. this is just an initial pilot that they're doing with two

fire stations each fire station, station two in chinatown, station five on webster is has been given six sensors that are deployed in each station and they're placed all throughout the stations to detect any kind of environmental hazard pollutant exposure and interventions. they're trying to create some interventions that can reduce cancer risk from having the fuel pumps underneath the fire stations, the behavioral health unit captain heather burin uh they have initiated a lighthouse wellness app. they have 77 new users since october 2024 with 760 apps open and our app opens and 259 active apps. so it's moving forward, it's growing. the more usage the more

knowledge and the more we talk about it in firehouses the more it becomes something that's just natural and everyone receives buy in from this well they made it easy and convenient for our younger firefighters, our younger generation are used to using qr codes to gain any information. i mean even when we order food at a restaurant we're using the same thing this qr code is extremely helpful engaging them with resources such as mental health or physical fitness mental health is huge. a lot of our incidences that we go on do put us in a place where we might need something and we don't want to necessarily ask for help. we can go to this app and find help. physical fitness is easy. it's an easy sell for any firefighter in the department because it engages them in something that they already love and do on a daily basis

and not even realizing the extreme benefits for stress relief and personal health. in december the btu contacts by work group they made 444 contacts for the entire year. since it's been established they were able to get a full year's numbers for you and 850 hours with that work group be it you contacts by stress factor they were able to categorize the types of stress that what they noticed was general stress took the majority of the people that they intervened with and now they're going to with this data decipher what is it exactly and that general stress that's causing anxiety or some type of behavioral health need and that way they can focus on whatever that might be.

so if it's something that's related to an incident or if it's something that's related to in house or personal issues that they're having at home, they can break it down more clearly what that general stress might be and offer those services to our firefighters offices employee health dr. chang and np stephanie phelps their numbers. all right. up here the return to work 22 new higher activities preparing to screen for candidates for the ems academy scheduled in march. like we mentioned earlier, we just brought in that class of 54. they were extremely busy with that. and now on to this new group for the ems academy in march promotions to probation 11 and other activities. they're working with it to enhance current technology for the following tracking promotional and probationary exams, monitoring workers compensation claims, streamlining processes for a

supervisor accident investigation reports or spares and exposure reporting discussions with the sfd occupational health regarding member services and collaboration with workers compensation compensation representatives on care coordination and they have continued participation in health and safety planning committee and continued participation in annual wellness exam subcommittee. and i must say i've been getting a lot of positive responses from coming from the field into this position about the reports that people are able to receive easily by text on what their next steps are once they report an injury or illness. the health and wellness initiatives we have chief alber in a short video short video here so thank you

. >> hey there. we're here to talk about our new annual wellness exam program starting january 1st, 2025. >> this program is designed for you. our priority is to ensure that every member of our department is healthy and ready to serve. >> we understand how demanding your jobs are and it's important to focus on your health. that's why we want everyone to have their annual checkup with their primary care provider. >> this initiative has the support of 1788. we're all in this together. >> in the words of retired firefighter and 798 vice president adam wood you would

be stupid if you don't do this. >> here's how it will work. you'll have your annual exam with your primary care provider afterward. just have your provider sign a form confirming your checkup was completed. >> then simply upload that form online through the fire portal. and remember your exam results are completely confidential. they're between you and your provider with no information shared with the department. >> you'll have until december 31st, 2025 to get this done. this program aims to promote your well-being, catch any potential health issues early and strengthen our department. >> so mark your calendars if you have any questions reach out to me at the division of health safety and wellness or to dr. chang at employee health. >> let's work together to keep our department healthy. >> thank you for prioritizing your health. >> thank you. >> so this every firefighter in

the department received a form that they can actually hand carry to their own physicians, their primary care physicians and they can cover everything that's on that form from physical fitness to behavioral health issues. they can cover it. the doctor signs it and they just turn that in that they thought it was covered at their wellness check. so this is a great way to get everyone to the doctor to address issues that maybe they were not even realizing was going on and and sort of get to know that there get to know their doctor and for their doctor to get to know them. and finding and understanding the issues that firefighters do have when we go see them. all right. did it come up? >> it's okay. isby, this is captain colin carter at tide. captain todd waddle has just transition back into the field. and captain colin carter has

taken over at isb investigative services bureau. >> the december updates are as follows probation all and end of probation screening 58 background in investigation as 86 candidates for the 134 class. now mind you the 86 candidates went through the program or went through the background screening. but 54 were selected. random alcohol and drug testing program 400 oral drug testing kits were received and other business. like i said, captain webb goes back into the field and we're welcoming captain carter. and thank you captain weddle for all his services. i worked with him during the recruitment and hiring process for this 135th academy. he worked relentlessly day and night. i was receiving calls and texts from him late at night and i know he was still working and at the office and that type of dedication into finding the best candidate fory

appreciated his service with us. and i look forward to working with captain carter. >> >> support services assistant chief mike mullen. >> there's been 140 requests for services that were initiated during the month of december. 124 service orders were completed. 32 service calls for plumbing issues. and i have to say the heroes in the firehouse being in there day in and day out and being able to just call someone and literally within that same day or within the next 48 hours someone arrives to assist you with an issue. >> it's just a lot of it is just a sanitary issue and and it's really difficult for us to maintain a sanitary environment when our plumbing is backed up. so i have to say having a plumber on hand through the department has been one of the

greatest additions to our to us being able to serve the public. >> dougherty fire escape railing upgrade final priming and paintings to be completed. actually it's completed. is that correct? yes, it is complete fire station 37 and 44 had their generator installation and it's in progress and substantial completion plan for january. i think both of them are complete. yes, both of them are complete. >> i just came from battalion ten and these fire stations were in my battalion and i have to say it was very well-organized, streamlined and and done very quickly. i'm comparing it to another time when i was working at a different firehouse where they had to tear out the concrete that they had just put in and put in additional concrete because there were six inches off or something like that from the fence line of the neighbor. and so it just delayed services but they are really on it.

they're staffed well and when they come in they really make it as convenient as possible for the fire engines to exit their stations and get to their calls safely. so i really appreciated that and they are now complete fabrication for fire station 35 security gate that was complete also. and and i think some of you who attended the show on saturday did see the new gate there in the front and it's it's all complete and it looks it looks great. >> earthquake safety and emergency response. easter assistant deputy chief gareth miller new sfd dot construction a developer information meeting was held by public works proposal is are due or have been turned in design development continued with an evaluation of exterior materials. these are materials to help

assist with any type of vandalism that may occur and they were tested and they've got the materials selected. sfd submitted a response to the planning department's list of questions related to the environmental assessment for smoke emissions. they had done unlimited amounts of research and timing and testing for the amount of time that they're actually going to be doing live burns and how much emissions would actually be in the air and how far of a distance it would go. they have been really diligent with that as well. all right. highlights. assistant chief michael thompson did his triennial inspections. >> this is something that we do three times a year and actually it's really inspiring to see how a firehouse gets together

and takes such pride in their fire stations, their equipment and what we have. i know there's been some talk of morale issues in regards to our equipment but i have to say when a train or inspection comes around it is lifted 100% by the amount of dedication and work that they put into displaying the fine work and teamwork and and the the pride that they have in their own station and their and their apparatus. they are do cancer prevention the cancer prevention association did do some research and cleaning the undercarriage so that was always the big top. but as you can see they still lift the cap and look underneath into the engine compartment. it's just that that we're no longer going underneath the apparatus itself to check for cleaning done under there with all the chemicals and cancer causing chemicals. >> these are some pictures from

our sfd members and the loss in los angeles. they saved a rabbit thanked by jay leno who actually came with a food truck and his own his own vehicle that it's a museum piece that looks like a fire engine but it's actually some big crazy car. he came and brought a food truck and actually served our firefighters food and commended them for saving that rabbit. >> and you've already received from chief the amount of people that we sent and and a new team has been going out today. and again congratulations to our new chief and we look forward to working together as a team. >> thank you. first to brandon a questions part of me at this point is there any public comment and madam secretary, i do not see

anyone approaching the podium. let me check the public comment line. i do not see anyone on the public comment line. >> okay. thank you, madam secretary and thank you for your great report. chief brandon at this time my fellow commissioners, any questions for chief brandon who wants to go first? >> i have a question. >> senator fraser. thank you, chief brennan, great to hear you wrote a great and comprehensive report. really appreciate it. i'm just going to focus on the health safety and wellness piece of your report. >> sure. i'm curious about the ultrasound. well, there's a couple of tests that are being offered to our members. one is an ultrasound. some number were complimentary and others people paid for out of pocket and the same with the print over mri. do you know if those. let's start with the mri.

is that like a full body mri or what? what is it? >> it's a full body. yeah. and they were given a discounted price for most of them. yeah. and it was full body like a body what they call body scan. >> yeah. mri is much more effective than yes scan. mm hmm. so that's really interesting. and then the same thing with the ultrasound. the scans are of everything of what i don't think injured parts or we don't know. >> it was everything. and is there any not to get into anybody's business but is there any opportunity for us in a follow up to learn anonymously of course not in anybody's records what some of the results were of some of these tests? i think they did give results for the blood tests as well. >> right. i so we have to check what she found on that. yeah. >> yes.

but i can find out for you and our next report. yeah. we'll definitely talk about any kind of results that we're able to give. >> thank you. i would appreciate that. yeah. finally the melanoma checks that's that's a pretty high number of people who are referred for further screening although people do spend our time in the sun including myself. so depending on their age, it's i was checked too. >> yeah, i was very thorough too. yeah. yeah. so that's a wonderful service that's being offered and looks like people even though it's pretty expensive appointment are signing up to get those scans so. >> mm hmm. that's interesting. i'd love to know. yeah. sure. >> we get it. sure. we also you have us you also conducted a like a sports therapy clinic and they served over 100 firefighters and gave 300 and over 350 treatments to them and they gave us some results too, like just some numbers showing this seemed to

be the biggest issue like back or shoulder. and then and they also had behavioral health numbers as well. those that were experiencing high levels of anxiety. so we have those too. we'll bring those for the next meeting. >> and finally i'll just say i'm assuming that the general stress that people report have to do with many of the things that are on the rest of them. >> yes. yes. not everyone's comfortable reporting the reporting exactly what it is, correct? >> yeah. yes. so that's what we're going to try to deep dig into further. captain buren said that she was going to try to collect data in a more accurate way where we can help. so for example, she's putting some of her peer support team through classes and she wants to make sure she's giving them the classes that we need the most as firefighters. >> and it's going to be a busy year. yes, it is. yes, very soon. yes. we just started 25 but i'm

aware 26 is coming. right? right along. >> so it sure is. thank you, commissioner cleland . >> thank you for your report. >> i'm curious about the formerly fire training facility development process and heartened that there are few requirements from the planning commission that we're not well, i should say not that that planning code where we will not have to follow the letter do we have an expediter working with us because to really sort of tighten up and make these entitlements to use go in a more straightforward way i know that something that our new mayor feels would be excellent that kind of collaboration and does save money saves time, you

know, so we don't go back and forward back and forth department by department do we have a team? >> how is our team working? yeah not not currently an expediting team. we have our chief chief miller who is our coordinator through the department but there isn't currently one that reaches all departments that we're working with that i'm aware of is that correct? yeah, we're considering that, yes. ombudsperson right on our side to move us forward in the approvals. right. we had our deadline right so we can keep supervisor walton walton so that he can you know

just getting everybody together so that we're ready to go in an efficient way at the at the beginning. >> yeah since it looks like we're putting some things out for bid estimates and design development which can change radically once we get into construction documents which you don't want to redo because that's costly. i'm just trying to see make sure that we can stay focus and well get it? >> yeah sure everyone's focused but that we can be as coordinated as possible on our side and therefore encourage all of our approvals, you know, to be coordinated also so we get where we want to be when we want to be there. yeah well okay. good evening president morgan, vice president frazier, commissioner collins and the gen

kalo outgoing cd three. understand your concerns commissioner we're we'll have a very large team behind us working through this process. project managers also chief gareth miller we've been in contact several times with supervisor walton also advising him about where we're at in the process and attended many community events so that they're aware. so we're definitely coordinating across all departments to ensure that this process streamlined. understand what you're saying with timelines, funding and what we may find with the soil and those type of issues and those are on the table and being discussed so that we can reduce those liabilities. >> well it's what large developers do. yep. why should they get be the only ones who get special treatment they have expediter, they have a team that's you know, moving it through following all the

rules but making sure the people that are interpreting the rules are talking to each other. >> yep, understood. great. and i have one other thing i remember that incredible joy when we got a plumber my memory was that that was just the beginning. but what are we going to go for next? >> what two plumbers? >> yeah, we do have electricians as well. >> yes. so our heaters have been repaired in our fire stations very rapidly and yeah, the quick response is what's really helpful and and the people that we hired are great. they understand our need that we're open 24 seven. a lot of people previously may not have understood that sometimes we can't wait till the next morning or monday morning. >> so it's been very helpful to have them there with us and so far it's been really helpful.

i'm not sure actually i don't know what the plans are if we're going to split expand that. but right now they've been tackling they're working all day from what i've heard from them. yeah, they let's keep the momentum going. >> yeah get who we need. yes i agree. >> thank you commissioner. commissioner nichols, you thank you very much. >> president morgan, thank you very much for your comprehensive report. i'm going to also start with the subject matter of the plumber and i'm glad that you brought it on because i've been on this commission long enough to know that we used to have a plumber and how valuable that piece is with the electrician and then to have us i'm going to say lobby back our position and the impact the most important thing to me is the response to the members in the

station to take care of the problem. i also want to thank chief mullins as well in terms of getting that whole mechanism but i just wanted to bring that up chief as well as a the importance of shop and all the members are all working there. i also officially want to welcome you i know all have when did congratulations and japanese as you know about it though i don't know how they got those how much that thank you thank you chief i also want to remark in terms of and appreciate chief kanaloa and the transition because it's going to take some time with the information. but i also wanted to point out as you deliver your report those things that stood out in my mind and appreciation to the variable subject matters all the way down to the tri annual and to see a picture of chief thompson and to talk about what

i call a pretty contemporary issue of not cleaning the undercarriage just i mean if you part of department you don't know that but the ramifications in terms of that with the membership use your experience both in the houses and the position that you're assuming as well. i like the the health tape i guess for lack of a better word. our doctor and chief arbor yes, i thought it was with conviction and with passion i think is you pay attention when someone calls you stupid in terms of a line up for a test that's everyday that your work . i think that was important. so i just wanted to say all of that and then again welcome you as well and looking forward to working. thank you. thank you mr. president. >> thank you commissioner. during the katrina and thank you for your report. chief brennan you know, i was just looking at some of the stuff in the health, safety and

wellness that chief matthew alba under his his direction especially with the screening it's really, really impressive of all the screening that you guys have available and even the one that cost a lot of money $1,900 as the members are participating in in that that screening as well with yes pretty wise the pre pre nouveau mri whatever that means 74 members to date of appointment for that yeah they get to be safe than sorry and then they have the ones that are free right yeah the skin that that was free right okay and then the the soft jail for the was

free for different ones modalities different different methods and procedures here now you spoke of the you know the diet together and how long do you have to stay. >> i know it's going to be a few months. yes i'm very nervous honestly, i have to be honest. there's there's bacon lovers. i'm going to be a guinea pig. yes. >> yes. but there are half of the good cause, right? half the members won't have to do it and or i mean they'll stay on their regular diet and the other half will be on the plant based diet. yeah. >> yeah, that's going to be interesting. it will be. and they'll be checking your blood weekly and yeah you know as far as the people's turnout that's still to make that the standard turnout that's still a couple of years out i would imagine and i think i read

somewhere yes and i believe we're looking at vendors as well. so it's still a bit out. they also have to make enough and we and we have to right. because if we go to an incident we have to wash and clean or get another set because we're we can't take time off once we go to one fire we might have another one. so we need to be ready with another set of turnouts as well. so but we are educating our members to make sure that they do put our turnouts and large bags. children of firefighters have a 20% increase in getting some type of cancer just from their their you know, our putting our gear and our equipment in our family vehicles driving to and from work and then picking them up from school so they're exposed and apparently their numbers are 20% increase in children of firefighters just

from that exposure. it's like secondhand smoke kind of thing. >> yeah. yeah, that's what i just heard from chief alb a couple of days ago. >> wow. so just curious about that. yeah. and just like our increase you know just being in this job it's especially for women and yeah our men in the front line. yeah that's it's high so i would imagine your thoughts that you can't get them soon enough they can't get them soon enough yeah. wish i had them when i first came in 28 years ago. >> yeah. yeah. wow. >> okay well thank you for your great report. thank you once again, congratulations. thank you, president. thank you, commissioners. >> thank you. item number six fire department operating budget fiscal years

2025 to 2026 and 2026 to 2027. discussion presentation from mark corso, deputy director of finance and planning on the fire department's operating budget for commission review and discussion discussion of sfd based budget and budget structure as well as issues and priorities. >> good evening mr. president. madam vice president, commissioners chief and madam secretary mark corso from finance and planning to kind of pick up the budget conversation from the last meeting we had at our last meeting we kind of over went over did an overview of budget instructions and the process will get a little bit into what our budget and our structure is our view a few things we talked about before and always answer any questions that you may have. there should be an accompanying document to those presentation

that gives you a very high level detail answering some of the questions that came up which we can get into and i will reference that later in my presentation. we touched on this at the last meeting so i'll briefly glide through it but this is the overall budget process timeline instructions and a five year financial plan released in december which was done in december of 24 the six month report we're currently working all city departments are currently working with the comptroller's office currently on that. that will be issued probably early next month. our budget submittals from city departments are due on the 21st of february to the mayor and comptroller's office. >> there'll be some additional financial projection updates in march and may as an update to both the nine month report as well for the current year as well as some of the any changes to the five year financial plan

be it from changes on the state side on the federal side, any other impacts that may change those projections those will be incorporated into that report june 1st balanced budget is due to the board of supervisors by the mayor's office per charter and then june we will be along with all of the city departments over at the board through our budget hearings process and then hopefully in july the budget will go through the board for approval and briefly this is just the schedule for items to be heard at the commission as we discussed last last meeting it was mainly an overview of budget instructions. this is kind of a this meeting will be an overview of the department's budget at a very high level and talk about what our base budget is and then we will be potentially have a budget for you for approval at the meeting on the 12th of february if there are any issues or outstanding items that still need to be resolved, there's the potential for a

special meeting that following week. but everything is due to the mayor's office as i mentioned on the 21st. i do want to recognize that this hearing schedule is completely compliant with some of the budget legislation transparency budget transparency legislation that was passed a couple of years ago by the board as it relates to an opportunity for the public to weigh in on all city departments. the rule is that there needs to be two public meetings about the budget for each department before february 14th and this will make us compliant. so here's a brief overview we talked about it last meeting what the budget instructions and the fiscal outlook look like. the city is looking at a very large deficit over the two years 876 million which is 253 in the first year and 623 in the second year and that is continued without any changes

to the structure continued to anticipate it to continue to grow to about 1.5 million in the fifth year departments as we submit our budget on the 21st because of these projected deficits all departments were requested to reduce their general fund support by 15% for that that's about 23.5 million for the fire department which is quite large obviously these instructions were first given out by then mayor breed back in december and for the most part they have continued and will continue up to the process up until the departmental submission submissions in february. in addition to the details there were some other policy instructions included from mayor breed at the time that have been continued over no new fees for the department. i think the city's actively managing workforce and looking at projections and analysis there but that has been the direction to city departments. in addition, take a look at all non-salary expenditures.

this is more geared towards departments that have a number of larger contracts with nonprofits. we do not but there has been there is a renewed sense of reviewing those contracts with nonprofits and then in addition find any efficiencies operational or fiscal that applies both to departments but also citywide whether there is some redundancy of function across different departments. the mayor's office wants to go into that a little further. there was a for the current year since the budget instructions there have been some additional mandates a city wide travel freeze on all city travel for lodging and for airfare a hiring freeze with limited exceptions. so that's been put into place for all positions. there is an exemption based exemption for entry level firefighters so that's should be no issue with regards to our academies but all other department positions that are we are trying to backfill whether it's backfilling for retirement, backfilling for a promotion, backfilling for a civilian spot that has

separated from the department. those all are on freeze and then we meet monthly with the mayor's office to review our outstanding priorities amongst those positions. so that is anticipated to continue indefinitely and in addition an expanded review of contracts to be executed mainly because of the desire to not get into new functions immediately without what maybe perhaps a more fiscal analysis on what that process is. so we have a few contracts that are continuing current workflow those shouldn't be a problem but there is additional emphasis on reviewing any contracts that may come before the mayor's office. so now i'm just going to highlight briefly what we'll be reviewing this evening. many of these items are consistent year to year so there may be are just a refresher from previous budget presentations but they still are kind of the big items that we're tackling. so a high level comparison of the current year budget fiscal

year 2425 that was approved last year as compared to the budgets for the upcoming years. >> what is our base budget? what does that actually mean? just kind of an overview of our structure both on revenues and expenditures. challenges we face both citywide but also uniquely as a department and the way our budget is structured, our budget priorities and the next steps we have and then again answer any questions that may come up. >> so at a very, very high level we're looking at a slight increase from what we were approved for in the current year so that f y 2425 budget that is what we were that was approved at the board level last year and the current budgets approximately the proposed budget for next year is about $16.5 million which represents about a 3.1% increase that is mainly due to previously agreed upon wage increases previously or kind of reconsidered and re analyzed

health and benefit mandatory fringe benefit rates. it doesn't represent for us it doesn't represent any operational changes, no new programs being added that was consistent with our budget last year. we were essentially able to keep our staffing levels but we did not get any new additions to help enhance the department and improve our day to day functioning. so of that we're very much general funded about 509 million of that and we can get into what that actually means and a little bit so very high level view of what's called a fund is where our money's coming from. the general operating fund is just the general fund that we have that that all of our regular day to day staffing personnel administration, all that comes from our general operating fund the annual fund is for special projects that we have either one time in nature or potentially ongoing but mainly our continuing fund here

that covers a lot of the capital projects that we have projects that are intended to be covering year to year moving forward we have our work order fund which we'll touch on reortly. performing services for other departments and getting reimbursed examples of that or the port both on the fire suppression side and fire prevention side. a good chunk of our street teams are with the department of public health. we have a few minor ones with the mayor's office but that's where we perform work and we bill at a later date. an airport obviously is included here. there are separate fund. we are the employees that we have at the airport are sfd employees but they are paid for by the airport 100% and then a few technical transfers in that regard. so at a very high level summary this is a very basic table of all of our uses or expenditures and all of our sources or revenue. so what's out? where's our money going out and where is our money coming in?

and you can see here the vast majority of our budget on the expenditure side is dedicated to personnel costs, salaries and benefits and the vast majority of those are focused on frontline operations for fire suppression, ems and community medicine. we don't have a lot of flexibility with that. we have minimum staffing levels that we are maintaining. we have response time levels that we need to maintain so all those positions are dedicated to performing those emergency operations functions on a day to day basis. we have a few other areas contract supplies, capital outlay services of other departments which is work orders where we are requesting services from other departments will highlight that briefly and then on the revenue side just to highlight we are extremely dependent on the general fund we do get there's a few major sources of revenue. we have some state taxes that come in tax revenue from state sales tax that we receive

that's along with the police department for public safety sales tax. we have some fire prevention revenue and we have also some ems ambulance revenue. but the vast majority of our funding is done through the general fund. >> so whether there's impacts to us specifically as a department or overall to the general fund indirectly we are still very much competing for that batch of funds with other city departments that rely on the general fund. >> i did want to quickly reference and answer a couple of questions that commissioner collins had at the last meeting on the supplemental attachment to your presentation i just wanted to highlight briefly just a little more detail than what could fit on a slide but on page two you have an analysis of expenditures. >> so the first table on the top is by fund which is replicated in the slide show. the second one is the use by expenditure type same thing in the slide and then for those personnel costs and salaries a

breakdown of that with when you're talking about premium pay you talking about overtime and regular salaries the second page page three or second page of data page three is use by function or project. so this is the subject this is the area of the department operationally where a lot of our funding goes into independent of fund. so you'll see obviously the big piece we have is fire department operations that's fire suppression ems and in some in some portions of community medicine that constitutes the staffing minimum staffing requirements fleet for the most part all into fire operations. but we also have all these other areas of course airport support services administration ,fire prevention training, street crisis so a variety of other projects. but the vast majority of our funding as i mentioned before is allocated to front line operations on page four. >> this kind of highlights a little bit and i'm happy to

give more information to what commissioner collins had brought up where's our money actually coming from? so as i mentioned we have about 300 and almost $380 million of support coming from the general fund. but other than that we do have some revenue sources here so we have some tax revenue. >> we have operations which is mainly the reimbursement we receive for ambulance calls but also for our work in the fire prevention has a numerous fees that we are collecting due to mandates in the fire code whether it's permits, licenses etc. support services out of a few other work water recoveries and then for the most part the bottom section of that table there kind of outlines a lot of as i mentioned port muni there those are services that we are providing other departments for which we get reimbursement for and that is a recovery and that supports some of our revenues. >> and then the last page we get questions about this

sometimes so i did want to just outline all the different details similar to the revenue side work orders. >> so we have about almost $40 million in work orders and what work orders are when we are requesting services but also some inherent city costs that are either dispersed to our city departments like we have our share of them but also are also fire specific. so as you can see on here we have a few big ones for sure the $17.3 million in the base budget is for our workers comp claims for the year. that's not really the other thing with work orders is that that's not really an avenue for budget reductions or savings. we can't really reduce that too much obviously that there's an analysis done by the mayor's office, comptroller's office and department of human resources on what the proper levels of funding for worker's comp are. but that's not something where we would say oh we can cut $10 million off of that and there's savings there. it doesn't quite work like that

. there's a few other large scale ones that are either related to infrastructure so about $6.5 million related to it infrastructure that's the kind of cost allocation for the fire department for the entire city support network costs everything related to the i.t function as a city and a lot of the cases these are rather than just have that show up in the budget of the department of technology they are spread out amongst departments where each department pays their own and way overall it may not matter whether they budget 6 million in department of technology for them or for us it does matter because they do bill some of the enterprise departments other departments so that allows the general fund to recover some of those kind of infrastructure costs that the city provides to all departments and recoup some of that funding from enterprise departments or other departments that aren't paying into the general fund. >> so in addition to that we have almost $8 million central shops that's for our aging

fleet repair maintenance spec development as it may be but it's generally for keeping our vehicles on the road. we have a backlog of work. we work very chief mullen and the staff work very closely with the folks over at of shops but given the age and quantity of our fleet that is an expensive annual expense. so this is just a brief overview of work orders and i'll highlight those if there's any questions on those. >> okay. >> base budget assumption what is the base budget? so at the end of the budget process last year so each year a two year process and at the end of the budget process two budgets are approved the first year we we begin immediately because we're in that fiscal year and the second year becomes the first year of the next year's process. so that base budget is what was approved last year for the second year now becoming the first year with any changes that have occurred over that

six months that have been whether there's some additional labor agreements that have changed labor rates, whether there are some health and benefit changes that have changed the benefit rates, any other unknown impacts at the time but now known are then incorporated into the departmental base budget and that is where the department any reductions requested are based off of that base budget there all rates are incorporated there any carve outs both for the department but also citywide are taken out of that base budget. for us the carve out that the mayor's office has honored has been prop f for minimum staffing level on the fire side that has been honored and essentially carved out. so if you take a look at our budget of 500 million, 15% of that would be you know, quite a bit more than the $23 million we're looking at. so there is a portion that is carved out that is not held against us so to speak. but it is does factor into that

base budget calculation. so currently what our base budget includes is pretty much the same consistent levels of staffing that we have been approved for in the current year and that's we're currently working through. it includes support for existing staffing levels, for fire suppression, emergency medical services and community medicine. >> it continues our hiring plan that has been going on for the past few years as we've come out of the pandemic where we're looking at to entry level firefighter classes, academy classes per fiscal year so total for over the two years along with emt and paramedic classes to both backfill members moving over to the fire side but also ensure staffing levels are approved staffing levels on the community paramedics in and ems program so any staffing vacancies there those are backfilled those both the h two and h three classes those are already included in our budget assumptions. >> the one piece that does change a bit for capital there

is a citywide capital budget and there's a separate process to that through the capital planning committee capital's re evaluate reevaluated each year there is an assumption on when the budget is approved. there is two years of capital approved for the department but all city departments go through the process at the capital planning committee where we present our projects we have an opportunity to update it. the biggest question comes in is what is the funding available at the end of the day in some years we've we've had reductions to our previously approved levels in some cases we've had additions too. so it kind of depends on what the overall financial picture is for the capital program as a whole, not necessarily just for the department. so those discussions are obviously ongoing and part of the mayor's phase for sure challenges for us these have been brought up in many different meetings under many different topics but they are still there. >> we must the challenge we

have is addressing day to day needs, staffing equipment etc. to allow us to do our mission for emergency response and for a variety of the other programs that people depend upon us for. but at the same time support also our infrastructure whether that be aging facilities, equipment backlog, any of those additional infrastructure problems. we recognize there is limited funding going around but that hasn't lessened those challenges in any way. so that's a constant struggle that we have just in general and we are looking for alternative funding whether it's grants for equipment, things like that. but we're both trying to support properly our day to day activities as well as dealing with some of the infrastructure issues that we have. >> we have very limited flexibility. >> we have minimum staffing. we can't just reallocate people to do another work or anything like that. we have minimum minimum staffing levels and operational mandates for response times and

those kinds of things. that doesn't give us much flexibility ability on the personnel side and those costs the the cost to support those emergency response it's about 90% salaries and benefits are about 90% of our budget and as i mentioned before, those are mainly dedicated to frontline operations, emergency operations. so that really limits the flexibility that we have. and the issue with that along the lines you can see with that other 10% of our budget that's not personnel. >> that is everything else that supports this fire department whether it's fuel for apparatus support, medical supplies for our crews, all of that. but that also includes, you know, the work orders that we talked about workers comp central shops, any of those work orders as well. so we have very limited flexibility there to make any savings and a cut to the scope that we're talking about when you're saying $23.5 million if

that was to go through that would definitely have impacts to frontline operations and so that's an ongoing discussion not just this year but every year with the mayor's office. and so we'll continue those discussions with the new administration. >> obviously next steps for us . we'll continue our internal discussions. obviously i honestly i haven't had a chance to sit down with the chief in the new administration to review the budget but we will be doing that in the next few weeks for sure. there's also obviously change at the mayor's office as far as any additional priorities of the mayor administration. so we'll continue to do that and we're in constant communication with the mayor's office on any outstanding issues. >> we'll continue to look at staffing levels, projection for hires and retirements, any other staffing implications. we continue to refine our staffing model up until the time we submit our budget will be working with the capital planning committee as i mentioned going over capital projects and our budget

requests are always looking for revenue opportunities to help offset that general fund support and so we've been exploring a few ideas and should hopefully have some some things along those lines when we put forth our budget in february and then it's not expected that everything's going to be solved obviously by february. so the negotiate the big negotiations with the mayor's office begins when they get access to the budget. so all the city departments submit on the 21st there's about a week where the comptroller's office has it make sure everything balances. oh, there's no technical errors or anything like that and then it's turned over to the mayor's office in late february, early march and over march april, may those are when a lot of the citywide decisions are made. those are when individual department departmental decisions are made. >> so we are continuing our discussions with the mayor's office on what that will look like for the department, what any impacts there will be and we'll just continue that up until the june 1st release of

the mayor's budget. and with that happy to answer any questions you may have. i thank you for your report. mr. caruso which should we go to public comment and the public comment? >> i do not see anyone approaching the podium but i do see someone on the public comment line. >> carla do you wish to make public comment related to agenda item number six zero you will have three minutes starting now. go ahead. oh okay. the caller disconnected themselves from webex so i lost the public comment. >> i do not see anyone else on

the public comment line and then again no one at the podium this time i guess i'll ask my fellow commissioners is there any questions for mr. corso for the report? so mr. frazier my name of verifications from last time. >> yes. every time we see it it gets clearer i guess that's a good thing but good luck and we'll do what we can do to help. >> thank you. >> that is where we need to be . my turn. yeah, with you, of course. >> so please. speaking to the my vp frazier, can you please speak into the microphone? thank you. >> thank you. mr. corso, you said on it's

that okay? thank you. yeah. >> okay. now we're in business. thank you mr. corso. that was a little tough to hear but really good to know and be grounded in reality. so just over the top it's 23.5 million we're expected or we're being asked to reduce. >> okay. yes. and then the hiring and travel freeze is that across all city departments across all city departments or so nobody's exempt from that. >> but you're aware there are methods for requesting exemptions but they are manual and you go through the mayor's office for approval. >> okay. well again, like my fellow commissioner said, let us know what we can do and when we show up and storm the gates. >> thank you so as always, we appreciate the commission support commissioner in the here thank you very much, president morgan thank you. director castle so the vice

president room forced the dollar figure related to our cut 23 million approximately and somewhere in the presentation there was a scenario that there is a 15% cut and i'm assuming that's every department. >> yes. you made in your narration the term cut out there was a certain amount of dollars cut out. my question is does that cut out number equate or aid to our 15% cut? yes. >> so that 15% cut is taken after that carve out is is kind of reduced from our overall budget. so there's a lot of different departments that have that mainly in examples of like set asides where there's been legislation passed reserving a portion of the department's budget for x millions of

dollars or whatever function it is. and so when the reductions are taken those pieces are kind of taken out of your overall budget. you're not held against something you're mandated to to be using or fall adhere to. >> so in our case that budget for what they calculate our budget for for adhering to the staffing mandates that we have they've removed that and that 15% is then taken off of that remaining amount which equates to the $23.5 million. >> okay. so basically in layman's terms that helps us within our reduction correct? and where does that dollars other service dollars in terms of the mandate our mandate of our department is clear is that based on the negotiation period between february to march with the board of supervisors or is that previous before the budget is submitted to the mayor before it gets submitted by the mayor's office? and obviously as a disclaimer the mayor's office can do

whatever they choose during the budget process that's before they submit. that's not an issue. they're not at a hearing. >> they don't have to adhere to their own instructions in any way. so that's where a lot of the negotiations between departments and the mayor's office come in. >> but that's taken and that's adhered to. it's been adhered to ever since we've had prop f for staffing in existence. the mayor's office has supported that and the board has as well. >> and so that is the assumption that continues every year for us. >> all right. maybe i'm repeating myself but how optimistic are you in terms of that cut out percentage having a positive effect upon our department mandate? so everything i've heard is that the desire is to maintain existing staffing levels and service levels. >> i think there's there's but there's definitely going to be hard choices made in the city by the mayor's office at the end of the day i think it depends on how other numbers come in, how other other possibilities for savings come

up. it's going to be a very much an ongoing discussion through pretty much close to june 1st. okay. oh, thank you for that. i'm trying to reflect that the process of where there's identifiable mandate occurs that's going to aid us. you follow me? yeah. director course. so yes. and so basically i'm going to ask you a hypothetical question. i attended the inaugural for mayor. very. and there was a statement in there in terms of the fire department unless i heard wrong on for lack of a better interpretation of maintaining our budget i could say it's stronger but that's the phrase i'm going to use. are you aware of anything of that and is that a play or a factor within our budget negotiation for the department as of now defer to the chief if he has any further comments on it. but i we've heard the city where hasn't been anything communicated from the mayor's office to that extent other than that they are very much supportive of public safety. i think we as a department as

we always would would advocate to maintain existing staffing and obviously we would advocate to increase it but at the very least maintain the current functions that we provide with staffing levels. and the other part of it is all the other stuff that we have that's maybe not incorporated in that is all the things that support that from the back end that doesn't really get recognized but that keeps the lights on in the stations. it provides the supplies that's needed for and equipment that's needed for crews that are responding these emergencies but i believe there is a commitment to public safety and specifically the fire department from the mayor's office. and so we'll continue those discussions in that regard. >> all right. thank you. thank you for working with me and my thinking is that those definitional needs for our department ought to be made real clear to the mayor's office and to the members of the board of supervisors and particularly the mandates are from the past administration and mayor breed as well in

terms of the consideration of the homeless or in mental health our medicine program our paramedics, our department suppression i mean what's going on is the latest examples. so you know, to me it's important for us to at least as you say, maintain our basic operational budget. but that in itself is tough in the sense of what we got to serve. so i just want to make it comment what is the expectation on the february 15th meeting is that mr. director causal? yes. what is the expectation you're going to have a budget presented to us and we're going to move on that budget that would be the hope we'll have a more thorough review of internally what we have discussed, what our priorities are, any changes that we've incorporated but that is the hope that you would give a blessing to our submittal for february 21st. thank you very much. thank you, mr. president. >> thank you, director. of course in regards to and the

budget instructions review on that page fte is what does that mean? >> mr. corso full time. those are essentially positions full time equivalents okay. >> of actual position so no new positions essentially. >> okay. and then i think you kind of covered one of the questions i have looking i didn't catch the total definition of the meaning of that continuing fund on the high level a budget comparison page eight yes, absolutely. continuing fund is essentially project based where we have a variety of projects that either we get funded for every year or are anticipated to take more than one year to complete. so a lot of our capital is under the continuing fund.

our annual facility maintenance is continuing. we get that every year there's a baseline for what we receive so it's very much more project based and could fluctuate year to year but it's generally things that are either ongoing in nature or are anticipated to continue more than one year. you know i noticed it was a big anticipated drop off in fiscal year 26 to 27. yes, that's a good thing, right? >> not necessarily waivers. i mean those levels will get reevaluated. those are only there's been no capital allocation for those years because it was not part of the two year budget previously. so those will get flushed out. we anticipate that would go up. same thing with equipment and in the second year there there's a little bit included but for the most part there's it's been stripped out because that hasn't been vetted through a formal process because it was only two years last year. this is essentially would have been the third year of last year's budget process so that is a part of this year's process.

yeah, it's going to be a tough, tough deal there. absolutely. but like you have to be for cash for cassady to then campbell to the eye of a needle there with a you know, after after all the stuff that's going on in l.a. you know, we want to keep the fire department fully funded. right. you know, and all calls. >> yeah. you got some challenges. yes. and to have any any ideas off the top of your head or you can jump in this that how we can reduce costs in the next couple of fiscal years and retaining the overtime or anything like that that can trim the fat a little so mr. president members of the commission just to add to director course those comments the mayor's made it clear the commitment to public safety and has indicated to us that although there is a citywide hiring freeze that we're not going to be subject to that with regards to our

into entry level firefighters. and the same goes for police officers, sheriffs and emergency dispatchers and paramedics. so the the initial overreaching direction we have is that the support for public safety is there but the specifics are going to be worked out as we move through this process. so you know, our overarching plan is to you know, review our budget and see where we can tighten our belt and become more efficient and also through some other means perhaps raise revenues. so conceptually that's that's our goal. and again as director corso and i meet more frequently yeah we're going to collaborate and come up with plans and more specifics. >> thank you to you. as far as that i think i don't have any more questions. thank you for your detailed report mr. corso and in your presentation thank you.

>> okay. at this time item number seven fire department administrative bulletins discussion and possible action presentation by fire marshal ken coughlin on administrative bulletins and discussion and possible action to adopt the fire department and ministry administrative bulletins as presented administrative bulletin 2.01 providing clarification on new changes regarding the use of a traditional landline telephone service with fire alarm systems . thank scuse me. thank you president morgan vice president frazier. commissioner collins. commissioner corso chief the department can call for a newer fire marshal so i guess we're going to go to this one by one as just a quick overview what administrative bulletins are we did this back when we did the last code cycle change

essentially it's it's taking the code and put it in simple terms to help the public understand what's intended because sometimes it's through the building department fire code building code and how they kind of intertwine with each other. so we just try to put it simpler, more simple language for them and so start with bullet 2.01 which is titled fire alarm and signaling system submissions pots are plain old telephone service is what they call the copper lines or as we know we're kind of dying down as views and so this was just an update that was put in the code that we needed to add for clarification. and if you look at this bolt, it's very thick, it's very detailed about what people need to do to turn in a fire alarm plan. and we just wanted to clarify that the plain old telephone line the copper line is not actually to be is being used anymore and if it is what the parameters are. so it wasn't an interpretation of the code it was it was an

update to the code and to the model code and we just want to put it in there so there's nothing nothing controversial that i know of in it here. any questions i'll be glad to try to answer. do we want to have public comment as we're going to public comment one by one count? yes, we do, chief. okay. >> so i do not see anyone approaching the podium. >> let me check the public comment line. i, i see one caller on the public comment line caller do you wish to make public comment related to this agenda item? >> no. okay. thank you. we can we can move forward. >> president martin all right.

yeah, go ahead. there any questions? >> questions so you can proceed . okay. we will have to take a vote to add to approval to adopt i guess we do on admin bulletin. >> yes. >> yes. okay. thank you, president morgan so there's no questions of the administrative bulletin 2.01 is there a motion to adopt? >> to adopt? i'll second president morgan how do you vote? >> i vote voted for commissioner in chicago. >> how do you vote? >> yes. motion passes administrative bulletin 4.05 providing information on the use of knox branded locking caps on fire department inlet connections. >> okay thank you so as kathy stated so we just we picked up

a new vendor so the fire department connections and the inlets were put water in to standpipe and sprinkler systems if you notice around town those metal caps have been disappearing for many, many years. people have gone to plastic ones. those get taken off and then debris and other materials get put inside the standpipe and to ensure that the standpipe inlets are hayden for our firefighters out there we picked up a vendor. knox brand who makes a lock so that those cannot be taken off without a key. we provided key to all the different engine companies and drug companies out there so this is just letting the public know how to order a locking cap. this is what's required on all new sprinkler systems and it's voluntary for existing ones unless we find that there is an ongoing problem we go there and we see it's not being maintained then we can go ahead and ask the building owner to install these locks. so it's just to let them know who the new vendor is.

thank you. fire marshal copeland there any public comment? >> i do not see anyone on the public comment line. >> let me check the i do not see anyone approaching the podium. let me check the public comment line caller do you wish to make public comment on this agenda item no thank you. >> now we will take a vote and any questions regarding the bulletin for 2005 from the commission so move on. mr. president, on an adoption of this administrative bulletin 4.05 we have a motion. >> mr. president. commissioner call in seconds. president morgan, how do you vote? vice president frazier how do you vote? motion passes administrative

bulletin 4.29 clarified acceptable means for fire protection in and closed garages where electric vehicle charging stations are being installed. all right. so as cathy had stated, we've had this bulletin out previously and we wanted to make it easier to clarify what some options are. there's a big push for electric vehicles for charging in side indorse if you build a new building you could go ahead and set the the wide amount of water the main going into the building for the sprinkler system. now if you take an existing building and try to match today's code with it it would be it would cost too much. and so we wanted to find out provide other means but the building owner could do to install install these charging

stations while still providing protection for our firefighters and to reduce the fire spread so a couple of areas here in the cove for example, it says the code currently is if you don't have a sprinkler system in your building you can still put these charging stations in there. what we've asked to do is is that to compartmentalize them. so typically if you have like we had the big fire at the member for the airport a long while back out burn many vehicles the idea is to put partitions up or firewalls so you only not only but you kind of only burn two vehicles you would not burn five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten and it would to continue to a certain area until our firefighters can get in there and try to cool it until obviously these lithium batteries cool down. same thing when it comes to if you're building the sprinklers we ask that you install at the highest level there's different levels of sprinkler protection

and it depends on gallons per minute and pressure that comes out of that sprinkler head as we know it's just going to cool it. so this kind of gives those parameters and explains to the customer that we will work with them to get the highest level of protection that will still allow these buildings to have chargers but still make it easier for our fire fighting suppression activities with these systems. and so that's what the clarification pretty much was for new buildings and existing buildings because it's kind of pull around from different parts of the code as we know the sprinkler code nfpa 13 and kind of says kind of determines so as a hazard extra hazard ordinary hazard and we're trying to tell them what we feel would be best to keep these fires in place. so for example one more example if a car is on fire, if we put enough water on it that will keep it from spreading. but if you don't have the water we'll use walls to keep it from

spreading so that's what those clarifications in. >> any questions? i have a question. sure. >> just in this so just so i understand the water sources in older buildings are not adequate to handle one of these fires. >> correct. to current standards of what the sprinkler protection an extra hazard to most do not have that you you typically may have a four inch line and you may need a eight inch main to come into the building and to replace that whole line would be cost prohibitive. >> so newer buildings will have different codes and different standards that they have to build to if they're going to put charging stations in their garages there there there's expectations now when do you build these buildings that a charging station would go in so they prepare for that and our people if it's if it's not designed so we bring that up to

them to make sure that they understand. >> so yes, i think it's going to be everywhere. so in existing buildings of which we have many the walls what are those walls made of? >> well they're gonna be fire rated walls so you maybe could still be could be metal studs still could be which is most likely it's going to be metal studs but it depends on the number of layers of sheetrock and the type. >> so it's a full wall. >> it's not just it's a full wall. it's essentially closing in on three sides except the part where you drive in you'll have the four high walls that side and obviously the wall in front where the charger is at. so you'll just have one side so you approach from so the existing buildings will have owners operators will have an option to either enhance their water supply size or add these walls correct the two choices to all to reduce the spread of fire. we're not going to stop them from happening but we could hopefully control how bad it gets. >> okay. i think that's really great to address it because it feels

like it's going on and we need to change that. so i appreciate learning about this and i'm totally there for this time. >> is there any more questions for farmers or call for public comment? i do not see anyone approaching the podium. let me check the public comment line. caller do you wish to make public comment on this agenda item no i do not. thank you. there's no more public comment. >> thank you, madam secretary. so is there a motion to adopt this administrative bulletin? >> 4.29 and move second? okay. >> president morgan, how do you vote? yes, commissioner castro, how do you vote? >> well, i motion passes

administrative bulletin 5.09 provide voting information on the change of vendor for key lock boxes from texas to knox brand okay as kathy just stated. so we change vendors. the previous vendor tracks us actually was fortunate that we we got around to doing this early because they don't longer support the current lock boxes. so lock box program we have it's a voluntary program except i believe laboratories and hazardous material materials facilities do not have to put a lock box. as you know we have the universal key call acts to get in these buildings and people like to prevent us from using that. they can provide us with a lock box and a key which will use in a nonemergency situation and typically a building arm you don't see a fire, you don't see smoke. so we just clarified of how you can order a box because all these boxes are designed for

community and so if you buy it for somewhere else our key will not work in it. so when you register or when you buy the box you buy it for san francisco. they know our keys work. we can actually track them with the knox system so when the key goes in is used when it gets put back in its holder in our apparatus it sends the information of who used it last and when it was used. so that way if a customer a building owner has any questions about i think somebody access my building got in the box we can tell them when it was actually last use and knox is the brand that we selected. it's used in many many communities. many of you seen those brown boxes we actually had knox was kind enough to provide us with 800 lids they retrofitted the existing boxes so the building owners would not actually have to replace the boxes. instead my staff went out there and was changing out the lock boxes and registered. we're still working on some of

them because there are some outliers out there. we're finding from now on when customers want to buy a lock box they know to go to knox to install it very quickly from the commission do we need to get rid of public comment to do the public comment? >> i do not see anyone approaching the podium. let me check the public comment line. caller do you wish to make public comment on this agenda item no, no sir, i did not hear you correct? no. do you wish to make public comment? >> no, i do not. okay. thank you. there's no public comment. president morgan okay. thank you, madam secretary. so far marshall kaufman in the last say in the last ten years,

how many times have we changed a lock box or did this type of change? >> this is the first time we've actually changed vendors. it's the whole program lock box. well for this kind of lock box has has happened track since the previous vendor had changed the type of lids i believe 2 or 3 times is the way that we open them up. i'm going from an actual key digital pad we install to a bluetooth and analog they don't longer support that so that's what was great about this program is it didn't cost the building owner anything if they registered the previous box with us we went out and swapped the lit out for free. so this is not a frequent thing and hopefully it won't have to happen again. knox seems like a reputable brand will support us. yeah, i was just just just curious, you know, because like that would could present a problem or something in an emergency to come up to a building that had the old equipment on it and you're in

that program was still will still work right now so our our chiefs out there in the field should have have the program on their phone if it still has the old one. i will continue to work for six months to a year. i'm not sure i can't remember what the date is but it will still continue to work and that's why we're trying to work through a finding those those errant ones that aren't registered with us. >> thank you so i guess administrative bulletin 5.09 providing information on the change of vendor for key lock boxes from traces to knox brand . are there any questions from my fellow commissioners or there a motion move approval i second president morgan how do you vote yes commissioner nakano how revote a vote yes. >> motion passes administrative

bulletin 5.12 providing update of mid-year seven one 2024 fire code changes and the fire marshal's interpretation of them. all right, so this is the one you're going to have comments on kind of has been a little been not only contentious but probably understanding and working with the building department on this topic. so real quick and energy storage system typical names you'll hear are power walls or other brands. so when you have a solar system on top of your roof the old program would be when it's daytime and then the energy would go back to ppg in the nighttime and your reader would go backwards and then nighttime you take it. well that program has i believe sunset at this point and so it doesn't really pan out to get a photo of a like system solar system because while you're at

work all day it's generating power and you go to nighttime you have no way to save it. so the energy storage system is a battery that's being installed in the home typically in the garage that can store that power. so when you come home at night you can turn the tv on the blender or whatever else you got going on because it's charge up all day. so it's a way to make solar systems cost of cost effective. so that's what isas are they also known as isas they did an update in july of this past year. it's kind of new when it comes to the code. it showed up in the last code cycle and so we made as a jurisdiction made certain we interpreted the code a certain way. they updated it in 2021 to allow more power because i think that's where the state's going. there's some plan that maybe these can be used part of the power grid is they can take power from them and then give power back to those other times. so the biggest thing being that

you see there on page one is it increased up to how many wattage you can have in your house and so 280kw of battery storage that's a combination of inside outside closets and everywhere else that they raise it up to 600kw kilowatt hours. the other issue was with the way that we were plan checking the program with db ii. so department of building inspection has been reviewing them. we've been doing a courtesy inspection for fire prevention and we want to make sure that our members when they get to these buildings and when they get on the roof they have a place to step off right on top of these for cells around skylights around the peak of the roof. and so we review plans when it comes to solar for that when it comes to the garage, we want to make sure that this is being installed correctly in the location that includes everything from impact

protection to ensuring sheet rock requirements or gypsum board requirements in the garage in case these fail and they flare out. there's also a requirement for heat detection to notify the tenants or residents inside the building. so let's put this all together . our previous bulletin so 20kw is this magic number so you can't if you have a battery pack that's bigger than 20kw you fall into more of an industrial size energy storage system and you have increased requirements obviously we just had that fire down in monterey. i don't know if you saw that that's a that's a commercial type of system very large that can feed back to the grid. these are a lot smaller. >> these are, you know, this size. >> we originally interpreted the code that if it was under 20kw it did not require our review because the code was

like very vague about it with this new code that came out and with the impending code for the next code cycle we clarified that we will be reviewing plans for all excesses over one kilowatt so to the above normally these power walls approximately or 13 to 14kw when you put them together you can there's other requirements way that you can install. so we tried to clarify this. the other concern was is the process that companies could go to gbi and get a permit. as you know, people i could be quite cumbersome through all the different stations you need to go there. so we tried to clarify about what kind of permit you needed because there was a concern or there was an issue with accepting a building or a trade permit, a electrical permit only as fire wanted to actually see the systems, see their

plans being installed. so this clarifies that we are going to be reviewing everything over one kilowatt on that type of permit whether it be a building permit or an electrical permit. we'll work with either one to be able to review and some requirements when it comes to solar systems, the final thing is we've clarified with the industry and both the building and electrical department that ac ten contractors license is not required for these. these are to install these systems or design the systems because they are pre manufactured and essentially they're installed already so you don't need that license. so we've taken away a couple of hurdles and tried to better explain this program. >> kathleen, i guess we'll go forward. i'm done after public comment i guess i do not see anyone approaching the podium.

let me check the public comment line. caller do you wish to make public comment on this agenda item yes, i would. okay. >> you have three minutes starting now. >> go ahead. thank you. my name is eric. i'm director of engineering at luminol solar pv and battery energy storage installation contractor based here in san francisco. >> i'd like to start by thanking the san francisco fire department in particular fire marshal coffman and fire marshal herold for being responsive to our public comments presented at last month's fire commission meeting regarding excessive permitting times. i'll just say thank you for taking into consideration our written in person comments on this proposed revision for ab 5.12 being based in san

francisco. most of our work is here so it's important for us to have open communication with sfd in our designing and planning for our systems and it's appreciated. the one comment i'd like to make is that going forward i want to make sure that the permitting times are still a focus especially with sfd taking part in all reviews. the past can continue to be or can be done in a timely manner. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. any more public comment? >> madam secretary, i do not see any more public comment. i would like to clarify so i mr. eric had stated on the phone he was at the other hearing we have we have a working relationship with luminol and we are prioritizing

solar any ss installation plan review move them over the counter or if they are submitted we turn around them in 24 to 48 hours. we know how important it is to their business and getting these things installed and to the public to get more of these systems in place so at this time is there any questions or fire marshal call from i have a question thank you for a marshall kaufman would you for the benefit of anybody of the public watching and for my own just give us a a simple explanation of somebody building or home that is car charging capability or batteries and home storage system? are they the same? do they talk to each other? how does that work in a in a

dwelling or in a building two separate systems. so typically a home charger would typically be a type 1 or 2. those are the the cord you see the plug in to an outlet and then they have like a handle on it which tells you how it's charging those kind of systems that you typically find in a single family 1 or 2 family dwelling that's separate that's taking from ppg any charge in your vehicle good to go whereas the ss is a battery storage storage unit mounted onto a wall. it could be on the floor, it could be on a wall that is there that's tied into your main box and your of your home. so like i said when you go to use power typically in the evening it will take that power first before it turns over and starts using pgd. so two different systems you could have a charger and you could also have a battery storage and that is presumably

consumer panels. >> i'm sorry. yes. is it from solar panels? yes. yes. >> this is take that solar power and stores it away for you to be able to use when you come home. okay. >> thank you. perfect. is there any further questions from the commission for the fire commissioner? i mean have fire marshal this sounds like a very substantive update. yes. especially when it comes to the permits it needed to be done. yeah, we've been working with as a partner with the department building special for quite some time to get to this point. we had a little hiccup i will admit towards the end of the year we've partnered together, had lots of discussions and we've come to agreement and we're still developing or working on the permitting system there. ms. group is still working over the next couple of months to come up with a special permit

that allows all agencies are supposed to regulate this to be able to review the plans in a quick and a faster manner. right now we're kind of we're working with what we have until this am i ask and finish their work. but yes, the idea is to get these permits out as fast as possible and get them into the homes of our building owners. >> well, i'll be singing from the same songbook as we do. >> thank you, commissioner. >> because you thank you, president morgan. thank you, fire marshal. oh, so what comes back to me within this is we're offering up this amended bulletin from the perspective of us the fire department to make things doable and easier. we're explaining about what we're going to expect they said

the permit process a process has gone through a couple of iterations and our let them know we're willing to accept either by a building construction permit or an electrical trade permit in the meantime until ms. or there do you guys am i asking figure out and create a permit that allows the the contractor to get to the process faster. we also clarified a couple of other things i expressed specifically of what we will review on what level and then that a contractor does not need to be a c ten licensed contractor. >> yeah and i thank you appreciate that detail because that's what i kind of wanted to hear was the details because there's a lot of the words i used or the word you use was to get rid of some of the hurdles to me a like streamlining the one of my bullet points is is that in compliance or is it and so i get it and i appreciate the work that it took to get to

this point because and the last clarification is when the reduction of the kilowatts was from i forget the number ten or whatever it was larger than one was that to have us the department have more accessibility to implement those policy that that was allows us to look at more of these systems before they're installed. >> okay got that. all right. thank you for that fire marshal. i support this amendment brought in 5.1 to like to make a motion. >> mr. president, vice president frazier, how do you vote? vote? i commissioner collins how do you vote? i motion passes. >> thank you. thank you. item number eight fire commission election of officers

discussion and possible action nomination and election of commission president but this time madam secretary is there any public comment? >> i do not see anyone approaching the podium and there is no one on the public comment line. thank you madam secretary. so is there any discussion on or questions him the commission i'm nominating a new president of the commission. >> thank you for your service. >> you're welcome. here. >> it's been an honor. it's been an honor. but now as as you see, my term is up so we're going to go through our normal protocol and elect a new president of the fire commission. >> so i know you guys are going to miss me. >> i'm not going nowhere yet. yeah, good.

so with that said, i would like to nominate vice president frazier as president of the new president of this fire commission and i had a heads up and i do accept so thank you. we should we will take a vote now. >> president there has to be a second to that motion. is there a second? i'd like to place a second on that and at this point also think president morgan for service but in the spirit and cooperate ation of our collective leadership. vice president frazier i'd like to lend my support and vote for vice president frazier to be the nominee for president as well. >> mr. president morgan commissioner collins how do you vote? i vote enthusiastically. >> i thank you. motion passes. congratulations.

>> nomination and election of commission vice president at this time is there any motions any questions we will check for public vote public comment please. >> madam secretary, there is no one approaching the podium and there is no one on the public comment line. mr. britt we go okay, go ahead commissioner karger thank you very much. >> president morgan i would like to nominate as an honor and a privilege of serving with her our commissioner paula collins. >> in terms of the role of our vice president of the service fire commission, i second that. >> do you accept commissioner collins?

>> i do. >> president frazier how do you vote? >> motion passes. okay. >> item number nine. adjournment i am sorry. >> vice president collins, i. i just want to add my thanks to you army. >> morgan commissioner ami morgan you're welcome. you did a wonderful job as president. you were comprehends if you honored the past, you led us to the future. you and our most senior commissioner worked so well together yet you were inclusive. >> so i want to thank you both for that. >> taught me everything i know . >> well, thank you, commissioner collins.

and i'm sure you'll be a great vice president and you're going to be a great president. you learned from making ready for me. >> okay. at this time would you like to adjourn to me? >> no. go finish out your time this time i guess we can adjourned the meeting meeting adjourned at 720 1 p.m.