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ad states of america the republic for which it stands as one nation under god with liberty and justice for all present last let's take roll please mr. clay president mr. benedicto president. mr. janez president commissioner ye hear vice president carter ober stone president present last you have a quorum also with us tonight we have chief scott from the san francisco policeepartment

and executive director paul henderson from the department of police accountability. thank you. can you please call the nec the first item one announcement before we go we are pulling line item seven as well as line item 12 a from tonight's agenda and one correction on line item three it states for the meeting of january 15th, 2024 it is actually for the meeting of january 15th 2025. the packet online is correct with a correct date line item one general public comment at this time the public is now welcome to address the commission for up to two minutes on items that do not appear on tonight's agenda but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the police commission under police commission rules of order during public comment neither police or epa personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions by the public but may provide a brief response. alternatively, you may submit public comment in either of the following ways email the

secretary of the police commission at speed commission it as if your or written statements may be sent via us postal service to the public safety building located at 1245 third street san francisco california 94158 if you would like to make public comment please approach the podium. >> are you doing good? you're good. i know it's just you don't like me. i know the beats is going to change. >> no, no. yeah, i know but it's fine. okay. first thing i have to say is you have got tv here. you are out of sync with what i said at the board of supervisors on january the 28th when i declare officially append the revolution. the revolution you are out of sync so your activate otherwise you demonstrate again your incompetence either way you do it you okay so i'm going to use

first the metaphor when you fall in a trap you don't expect the trouble to serve you to get you out of it right? >> make sense now i'm going to use an allegory. you are a rabbit. you got cut in a trap. >> what you do is that the rabbit you you try to get out of the tribe right first not all you don't expect to get out alive from the trouble. >> the trouble the trap to kill you the only hope you can have is at some one save you open the trap before you die i am this person if you do not understand or to get out of the trap you put yourself in because of whatever reason money i think it's money you

are then the people who put you in this trap are not going to save you ever they are there to just kill you how quickly so please self-control thought it . hi everybody. i'm here to honor somebody and to to a to one of the chiefs pr people the he promised to contact him and honor him and do this and that and all that but and he and he let it down. he didn't do it. i've got i'm going to talk to you about a guy named grant and

i i mean there are a lot of really good people out there, a lot of brave people, a lot of wonderful people who go on recognized this guy is a barista downstairs for me and carlin's cafe the i'm an old single bachelor so and i love it. i was married six times and i mean i love him dearly but i'd rather live alone so nick says, hey, what are you doing for thanksgiving? i said i don't know. sutton stare at the wall crying. you know, he says i can't come to thanksgiving in my house so i had thanksgiving at his house and they held things for me and all kinds of stuff. a few weeks later a guy comes in, he starts at 630 in the morning 645 and comes this guy bare mace the hoodie. >> the whole thing comes over one customer with a backpack which was all he's got in the world and guy grabs it and

there's a perfect shot of it. there was a camera. it went viral. >> six minutes of him coming around the the bar there grabbed a card as the guy rushed out, slammed the card into the guy wham door on him. vadim all over back and forth across and took a whole bunch of bear spray and then got him down and got him in a headlock with his legs and held him until the cops got there and he just was not recognized and everybody came to the cops. i recognized the guy. i mean say something i want to a couple people you know nothing at all. so i saying nick grant, i thank you for being a hero it evening i just wanted to talk it's not about my son today but i understand and i just saw on that max carter over stone iqcs going to be leaving us. i am very upset about that.

>> i he's the only one that is implementing the the resolution on how to to for tipsters to come forth. i say that too when when when chiefs got i thought they were going to get rid of chief scott and i said why do you want to do it to retraumatize us? this is retraumatizing again that people that come in and that has helping us and we're losing them. >> i know march quarter keeps people on their toes but that's no reason why you should get rid of them if it's helping people. >> people were pledged to protect us and then when we when we get some leeway they have to leave us that bothers me. that definitely bothers me. i would love him to stay here. >> daniel laurie, if you're listening, please. he has help implement this resolution on tipsters to come through. >> keep him here. he's helping us mothers as well

as chief scott as well as dean preston has got my son's name up on that street. >> who was going to do that? who was going to help that? and not only that last time when i was here i was told not to talk about a certain thing. you know, when you get people to come up here and saying and talk about you don't understand what they're saying the cindy lot that she just said don't speak about that. what did i do anything to you, miss cindy? i didn't do anything to you for you to stop me from talking on the last time i was here when you got people coming up here not speaking on the agenda. but i'm not i don't mean to even count your name out and i'm sorry, but i'm very disappointed about people leaving us and then we're getting retraumatized again. >> please keep people here so that we can finish and get this case solved. >> how long have i been coming here asking for support? >> how long have i been coming here saying the fine waves, the just to help my son and other

mothers that are here. >> thank you ms. brown. how many times this is me and it's bothering and you don't want to hear me but i'm tired. i'm tired. everyone that come in here and i say well why does this person have to leave? >> why did this person you have to leave this brown thank you. woman i'll take care of my kids. i shouldn't have not lose my son to murder. >> i need this board to help me to help the police supervisors just implement this at that. max carter open school. >> mr. brown thank you, but your two minutes is over. thank you. >> you did? you need to wait. what? i need to know is there any further public comment? leave me alone. right. and there's no more for the public comment line item two

consent calendar receive and file action dps retention policy safe streets for all fourth quarter 2024 update donation of a horse of speed's mounted unit valued at $22,000 as a annual secondary employment report for 2020 for the semiannual report to the police commission sexual assault evidence kit from december sorry july 1st to december 31st 2024 and a resolution urging the board of supervisors to retroactively authorize the police department to accept and expend in-kind gift of 1800 units of naloxone valued at 81,300 through the naloxone distribution project. >> can i get a motion? >> motion to receive and file a second. >> what before we do that is about the horse. >> about what horse? no, it's not about the horse with respect to your retention policy where any questions? i think from the commissioners i'm not sure this should be the

consent item if there was any concern some of the stuff that was in the retention was that what your question was? >> i was just going to add a comment about it. yeah. what was your comment? just i want to say it was a whole team effort updating the policy but i want to acknowledge sandra wilkerson who did the yeoman's amount of work for it. it was a complicated process involving the city attorney's office, comptroller's office, mayor's officell to get it done. but i just wanted to acknowledge the work that was done that was it. we just updated the policy. >> these are for records, right? yeah, right. okay. all right. >> so i have a motion on the floor with the second sergeant any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding line item to the consent calendar please approach the podium and there is no public comment on the motion. commissioner clay, how do you vote? yes commissioner clay is yes. commissioner benedicto yes. commissioner benedicto is yes. commissioner yan yes.

yes. mr. yan yes. is yes commissioner yea yes commissioner. >> yes. yes. vice president carter ober stone yes. vice president carter roberson is yes and president elias yes. present elias is yes. you have six yeses line item three adoption of minutes action for the meeting of january 15t 202 so move if any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding the line item three adoption of minutes please approach the podium. there is no public comment on the motion. commissioner clay how do you vote yes commissioner clay is yes. commissioner benedicto commissioner benedicto as yes commissioner jonas yes. commissioner jonas is yes commissioner ye yes commissioner yes. yes. and vice president carter stone yes i was present carter always jonas yes. and president elias? yes. present licenses? yes. you have six yeses lean on him for chief support discussion weekly crime ts and public safety concerns provide an overview of offenses, incidents or events occurring in san francisco having an impact on the public safety commission

discussion of unplanned events and activities the chief describes will be limited to determining whether the calendar for a future meeting. >> chief scott thank you sergeant youngblood. >> good evening president elias vice president carter over stone commission executive director henderson and the public starting off of crime trends and the chiefs report this week overall there is a 36% reduction in part one crime year to date so it's a good start after a really good year last year. but just to break it down briefly. total violent crimes are down 14%. total property crimes are down 39% in terms of violent crimes homicides we had one year to date compared to three last year and our robberies are down 22% by about 42 robberies less than this time last year assaults we're up by three assaults so that's a 2% increase in assaults property crime is down 39% led by

reduction continue reduction in car break ins, car burglaries are down 76% from a year ago 1100 a year ago, 451 this time this year. so that is driving our crime numbers also going back to violent crimes for a second, shootings are up slightly by 7%. there were 15 victims this time last year, 16 victims 2025 who are shooting incidents are up and our shooting victims are up in terms of the incidents that we had the major incidents over the past week is led by shootings. we had five non-fatal shootings resulting in five victims shot. the first one was on the 27th of january at 4:54 p.m.. this is at ninth and mission which resulted in an officer involved shooting and we did have a town hall on that one yesterday a virtual town hall. but the details the subject ran up to the victim and shot him multiple times.

a person fled on foot and the victim was transported and is now in stable condition. the incident resulted in an officer involved shooting. it was pretty horrific shooting as you watch the video that we released publicly yesterday and thanks to a good samaritan who just happened to have medical training that was passing by, medical aid was rendered until the paramedics could get there so we just want to thank that person for what they did to save this victim's life. other shootings on the 30th of january at 3:43 a.m. in the 900 block of quay avenue in the bayview. the victim was shot twice by a sibling and sibling fled prior to the officer's arrival but the officers were able to locate that person the next day and make an arrest on the 2nd of february at 12 a.m. in the 100th point in the bayview district, a victim was standing outside of their car when they

heard gunshots. victim felt pain realized that they had been shot. the victim transported themselves to the hospital. the injuries are non-life threatening. that is still under investigation. no arrests have been made in the last one to report on the 30th of january at 1:40 p.m. on the 2800 block of cesar chavez . the victim was in an argument with the subject during the argument the victim sustained a gunshot wound after allegedly using a chemical spray on the subject. the victim was transported in stable condition. an arrest was made on that case but there is further investigation that's warranted on that case. >> and then on the 2nd of february at 5:09 p.m. in the mission district there was a call that came out of the shooting but the investigation revealed that that was actually a self-inflicted shooting and an attempted suicide. significant arrests this past reporting period or this reporting period. there is an underground gambling operation where a pretty significant investigation resulted in three

businesses being identified as operating illegal gambling facilities in the tenderloin officers via a search warrant seized multiple gambling machines narcotics cash over $30,000 in cash believed to be made by either narcotic sales were arrested and 11 other male adult subjects were cited for various misdemeanor violations. these locations where were often complained about in the community and we believe that this is going to be a high impact arrest in terms of shutting down these locations and likely a lot of the problems that surround these locations. so just want to thank all of our officers for the diligent work of narcotics officers. our tenderloin officers and our demak officers were involved in this investigation and this arrest during a dimmick fugitive recovery operation

last week. our future recovery enforcement team made 59 arrests in a one day operation. this was involving various law enforcement agencies around the tenderloin and southern districts to focus on fugitive from justice who had outstanding warrants out of the 44 of the arrests people had, the suspects had outstanding warrants and during the arrest officers located suspected drugs and other illegal illegal illegal evidence that resulted in the remainder of those arrests. so really, really good work by this joint task force or operation led by our tenderloin indymac and southern station officers. few other significant events this past week. there was a stabbing in the 3200 block of fillmore and a northern district victim and girlfriend were dancing when they end up in between two

roofs, an altercation resulted in the victim was stabbed by a suspect who is yet to be identified. that investigation is ongoing. also there was a home invasion robbery at the one 10,000 block of mission street in the southern district. subject entered the victim's unlocked room when the victim was in bed and started to take items. a struggle ensued and the subject fled with the property. no arrests and that investigation is ongoing. there were no sideshows and no significant traffic or fatal or serious injury traffic collisions during this week. just one other thing to report here and this is about is the blessing scams that have been happening in the city. we've had at least seven incidents so the department working with the district attorney's office and many of the community groups, chinese community groups and through the media have been trying to raise awareness on this issue.

we've put out a video regarding blessing scams. we have gone on merchant walks and community walks passing out fliers and it's paid off. we had a victim or potential victim who actually got information from the information we have been putting out and recognize what was happening. basically call the police and prevent it a blessing scam from happening. so that's exactly what we want and that's exactly the reason that we're doing this. so we'll continue to to do that. this is these things tend to cycle and right now we're we feel like we're having to spike them so people are losing a lot of money and and most of the times are victims are elderly and many of them lose if not all of their life savings, a significant portion of their life savings. so we will continue to work hard to investigate and arrest people that commit these type of heinous crimes. and that is my report for this week.

>> any commit? >> commissioner clay now we're in good shape, chief. keep the good work going. >> all your staff and people keep it going. thank you. thank you, commissioner. commissioner thank you very much. president cindy elyse i just want to touch bases on that shooting on ninth and mission. i want to thank the 911 callers for making it clear to the people calling them to apply pressure during the shooting and for a quick response by two officers and a paramedic. looking at the i guess the town hall meeting always looks like the two persons shooter had quite a cache of firearms in there and looking at the video, i was just wondering if he might have been involved in

other shooting events or is there a continue investigations on the arms see whether there match any ballistics from, you know past shootings? >> yes. commissioner, there is still an ongoing investigation even though the suspect is is deceased. the person involved in the shooting was is deceased. there's still more investigation to be done including things that you just mentioned. there were numerous guns recovered from his his apartment so we still have some work to do in that case. >> my follow up would be on the shooter or the suspect is regards to is there any past history with the of the as a pd or the law enforcement. >> without going into details with the person's criminal history, we we are looking into that as we investigate it to see if that's connected to any other crimes. >> yeah. and looking at the parents

calling in or reporting also that their son was had a mental health condition too as well. is that true too. >> or if they report it as such . >> yeah i can't disclose his potential you know health information publicly. okay. but there were there were questions about that also. >> thanks. thank you for the press conference on i guess the last the in chinatown on bush and kearny i think commissioner kevin benedicto and myself was there to attend making sure that the announcement went out to the chinese media and the media throughout the city. thank you, chief. thank you. >> chief, in your report i noticed you didn't mention it but whether you had an update on i know in the paper there were speculation that ice was here in san francisco. >> did you have a report on that?

>> what i can say about that there have been a number of false alarms that we were able not we but collectively between community city school district ,mta management, we were able to actually get to the bottom of some of what was out on social media that caused a lot of fear. one particular incident that happened was last friday of the friday before last. the report that was going out on social media is that ice was on busses and they were making arrests on muni busses. that turned out to be not true. we believe we found the source of where that came from. there were san francisco police department officers on busses for the purposes of a call that they received to reunite two little girls with their brother. they got in separated and somehow the girls and the brother weren't on the same bus so thefficers got on the bus

that the reports that were going out on social media that the ice agents had reportedly been on and we were able to verify the video that no ice agents had been on the bus. but our officers had they did reunite the kids and there was also a vehicle that was photographed that was believed to be associated with the alleged ice agents. that vehicle turned out to be a california fish and game vehicle that had nothing to do with any of this but the pitcher went out and it was a fuzzy picture and a lot of people believe that that was a homeland security vehicle. it was not. so that's just one example. we've had a couple of other there was reports of ice agents at a school and we were able to work through the school district to verify that that did not happen as well. >> so there's just a lot of beer out there and you know, as as we walked into this building today, there was a person

reportedly who had ice jacket on that had no affiliation with homeland security. so there's probably a little bit of that going on too. so our basically what we try to do as much as we can is you try to vet the information and verify if there's a rumor out there that or information we try to verify whether or not is that valid or not. we we do not interfere. we do not participate in ice immigration enforcement efforts but that information when it's out there and it's unverified is cause a lot of fear. >> so and i appreciate you providing an update to the public. >> one of the things that i will ask next week given in the the new administration has indicated that they will be withholding federal funds for sanctuary cities. i'd like to have an update next week as to the department's position or policy or how you intend to convey to officers what they should and should not

be doing when presented with these type of situation. and since we are a sanctuary city because i don't believe we have an immigration our immigration policy is still in the works. it hasn't been updated so i think we should provide officers clarity with respect to policy whether it be a department notice until we can get the dga revised as to what they should do when encountering federal agents and how we're going to deal with that. >> yes. yes, commissioner president last and 5.15 the gop is the prevailing dga but we have worked with the city attorney's office as have all the departments on that very issue. so we'll work with them as far as whatever information that you want will continue to work with the city attorney's office. to me one of the things that's important is that you know, all city departments or on the same page in terms of how we are addressing this issue. >> good. thank you. >> sergeant, any member of the if any member of the public

would like to make public comment regarding line item for the chief's report, please approach the podium just i am h brown and the mayor came to my birthday party. >> did you come to your birthday party? ha ha ha ha ha ha. >> he also came over and had coffee with me for for an hour it for barrel i have i'm an idiot guy you know i don't do well. i pick up trash but the so i've got more advice for you daniel the you're good looking you're you're you're rich you got a fabulous family. you even got a dog. you're going to be there eight years. no doubt about it. nobody's going to be able to beat you. and if you don't listen to me, the worst thing that you're going to waste time on in eight

years is the cops. >> i mean they are going to eat you alive whether you're winning or not you're going to be wasting time. there are tons of things you could be opening casinos in the the president loves casinos. let's put a casino on the armory. let's put another in the twitter building one of the couch pals you can do that. you know what? you're going to be given a press conference after press conference after what the cops did. >> okay. elect the police chief. the people of san francisco elected our police. this town is 170 years old for the first 95 years or something we elected our police chief and somehow we got lost and and the mayor appointing the police chief and then the cops are tied torn between the mayor and the play who really runs the force. but mr. mayor, give this chief a chance to fight for his job in a normal election you can put the elected police chief on the ballot this guy already

told me he said i'd run you know, at the end, you know what the play like to marty hallorann past president gary delong as past president they said we'd love to have an election for a police chief, you know who also beloved 500,000 san francisco voters anyway and why are you leaving again? >> no, he said the tony the lights don't no, no. the chief knows he's in trouble. i mean, you know you're in trouble is everything's fake. >> okay, so we have no more government guys. >> we you know, it's it's a bunch of crooks. >> so how do we deal with this? i mean, i shouldn't say that here because the key for me is to make sure the audience here is watching. i'm still your you're able to

see on the safe good. steve my what i say is that there is no distinction so it's harder to find out and i know you know you're in trouble if you don't know you are less intelligent than a rabbit. >> you you have to understand i got in the trouble. i know you like rodents. yes. okay. so now what? i'm here to save you if you don't discern or participate in shown to what i'm telling you you are done. you can't get out of the traps you are you know it's not possible. >> the power world, the fake power now is not going to save you. >> are you joking? absolutely no way. especially when it's realized that itself fell in the trap set by eternity traps. it's all over the place. don't fall in them. they did using usury you know the banking system corruption

etc. monitor have a good night shift i will here for you as much as i can. good evening again i just wanted to use the over here because i was thinking about the when mayor gavin newsom was in office he said on august 14th can i use the overhead please? >> oh dear. on august 14th, aubrey albert castle was gunned down in san francisco streets. >> it may it may be easy to say that this wasn't it wasn't a gang on gang violence. it wasn't in one of the worst neighborhoods and it wasn't one of those cases where police have no evidence, no leads, no suspects, no chance to arrest two killers that shot 17 year old aubrey.

>> i'm saying that there's been a whole bunch of shot shootings coming up again. i was asking that the people that are helping us helping us solve these cases that they stay so that we won't be traumatized again. >> i show this picture all the time of me standing with my son . i never forget this. this is what the perpetrators left me a lifeless body. >> and it's not just my child this these things that we're trying to implement for us are making resolution on having tipsters come forth and also keeping our chiefs got in office so that mothers like myself won't have to keep coming up here meeting different people all over and over and over again. i've been coming here for years for years begging for justice for my child and not just my

child but all unsolved homicides and cold cases. >> and i hope that those of you please that letting other people entertain you listen to me too as well as they come up here and saying listen to me to keep me there. >> thank you. >> anyone knows of my son's case, please come forth. if any member of the public has any information regarding the murder of aubrey abacus, you can call the anonymous 24 seven tip line at 415575444 four. >> that is the end of public comment line item five dpa directors report discussion a report on recent activities and announcements. executive director paul henderson thank you. >> this week well actually this time since the last time the commission met dpa has opened 44 new cases and we have closed 29 cases. >> the top allegation since

that time for cases that have come into the agency have been for allegations of neglect of duty. >> we have 19 investigations that have been open for more than 270 days. and 16 of those 19 cases are told cases. we still have four cases that are pending with the commission. and 105 cases that are still pending decisions with the chief and with the department. the we have no matters that are in closed session tonight. >> we also have a senior investigator and other staff. >> nicole is here with dpa as well for her presentation with the budget. >> i will withhold the remaining remarks for anything that comes up on the subsequent agenda for the rest of the evening. that concludes my report.

>> all right. >> seeing no names in the queue, sergeant, could we go to public comment please? if any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding line item five the dpi directors report please approach the podium and there is no public comment line item six commission reports discussion and possible action commission president's report commissioners reports and commission announcements and schedule of items identified for consideration in a future commission meeting. >> commissioner benedicto thank you acting president. just a couple of items from my report. like commissioner you said i attended the lunar new year kickoff and busan scam morning press conference with the chief and the mayor and a number of members of the board of supervisors and local community leaders were there as well. >> i think it hopefully had some good impact. >> i'm sorry to hear that we have had a number of blessing

scams in the chief's report but i know the department is being proactive and trying to prevent those as much as possible and respond to them quickly when they occur. >> i'm in my capacity as the commission liaison to the spd's collaboration with mta. i had my quarterly meeting with commander nicole jones of the traffic company who summarized the the recent and continued collaboration with speedy mta. as part of that the 2025 s.f. pd traffic plan is going to be which was presented the board of supervisors is also going to be provided to the commission. so i'll be made available to my fellow commissioners to look at. and there's also some numbers on the number of traffic citations that were made in 2024 with respect to those that i'm working on. commissioner daniels and i continue to work on dejo 7.01. the chief last week provided a response to the letter from from a group of community

members on their suggestions that was converted to a recommendation and responded to thank you chief for sending that that's been provided to the community and they'll be time to digest that and hopefully provide that back to the full commission for a final vote in the spring. dejo 10.11 on body worn cameras was on the agenda for tonight but it was pulled at after the chief and i had a productive meeting with the bar association of san francisco which was a critical voice in the working group process and that out of that a number of suggestions were out of that meeting. a number of suggestions were made. dpa was not invited to our meeting even though i think both the bar association and myself thought that they should have been. and so i think i'm going to take some time to make sure that we incorporate some discussions i've had with db's policy director jermaine jones on some of the issu that are that were raised in acting president carter over stern's revised draft and hope to have that back before the full commission as early as next week. >> chief, the one thing i want

to ask for there's been continued both media and community attention related to the joint terrorism task force. i want to know if i know the last time we spoke you told me that there were no specific asks and moves in that direction but you're sort of monitoring. i wanted to know if there was an update on or any movemen and then report on whether or not as a pd will rejoin the joint terrorism task force. >> nothing has changed. commissioner there has been no movement or advancement to rejoin the jta. >> okay. and i want to clarify something that i know that you and acting president carter oberstar. the last time we spoke about this, would you consider an mou to rejoin the gtf under 3.21 as one that would come before the commission? it has to come before the commission. that's why i see the administrative code. >> okay. so if there were any concrete movement that that would figure it would be required to come before the commission before

final approval. >> yeah. right. okay. sir, i just want to be clear because i think our conversation and the last time this was brought up in the commission started a firestorm of misinformation and i want to say it one more time there has been no effort to rejoin the jttf. and just to be clear, what i said is we have always been open to that conversation. we have not made an effort to do that. >> so i just want to be very clear on that. >> thank you. that's very helpful. that concludes my report. thank you, chief, for that clarification. >> thank you, commissioner e i guess acting now chair max carter also thank you very much . first off i want to say welcome everybody to the chinese new year lunar event here is downstairs. it's here to stay. so in chinese we say gong air joy and and sun and fi lau it and in a year or two snake said and hung over one so i wish everybody continue good health

prosperity and throughout the year of the snake also attended services co police department api for metro comnder derek lu and also captain eric kim and from central station and also captain brian hu from terrible station commander derek lu reported 2024 results. it was a very positive. community members also accepted it and they saw the difference in this 2024. >> one of the issues that came out and i'll probably be talking about on the budget is the vehicles of the officers that are i guess inactive and it's probably well you know we talk about more than in a budget.

>> thank you chief. thank you. could we go to public comment please, sergeant if any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding line item six commission reports, please approach the podium. there is no public comment line item eight. >> presentation and discussion on speed is budget fiscal year 2026 through 2027 discussion and possible action i'll be going straight to budget

■só. good evening president elias vice president carter over stone commissioners executive director henderson and chief scott and kimi wu, the chief financial officer for the san francisco police department. my presentation today will be part one of our budget process and priorities. i will be back next wednesday to go over more details in the budget process. >> okay. this year the department's priorities is to collaborate, improve responsiveness, measure and communicate, strengthen the

department and define the future. the mayor's policy priorities for this upcoming budget has a similar focus as prior years to include improving public safety and street conditions citywide economic vitality, reducing homelessness and transforming mental health and accountability and equity and services and spending. the budget process spans over seven months starting in december with the budget instructions and the budget system is opened. our second presentation to this commission will be next wednesday evening followed by our official due date for our department's submission on february 21st we will work with the mayor's budget office through the end of may when the mayor will publish the budget on june first.

during the month of june we will work with our budget legislative analysts to review our budget and they make recommendation there will be at least two hearings in the middle of june and the board of supervisors shall adopt the final board adjusted budget by july 31st. >> budget instructions were provided in december and confirmed after mayor laurie was sworn in to office. and we should propose and we should propose ongoing permanent reductions of adjusted general funds support of 15% in fiscal year 26 and fiscal year 27. >> the focus is on core services and limiting eliminating costs in non effective discretionary or redundant service areas. >> we have been asked to review all contracts and non personnel expenses in addition to requesting approval for

overnight travel as well as new contract agreements. >> lastly, vacant positions should be eliminated and no new full time employees that do not support core functions. >> there is also a civilian hiring freeze and layoffs are not preferred but may be necessary. this slide here is a look back to the three prior fiscal years current year and the base budget for fiscal year ending 2026 the base budget across all funds is 840.7 million. >> the majority is in general fund annual operating for a total of 723 million. the continuing project funding has been added in the mayors

phase in prior years and therefore you see a slight decrease there compared to prior year in the base budget. >> and lastly the airport bureau is not supported by general fund. this next slide shows the general spending by each category in millions personnel costs have increased each year based on cost of living adjustment services by other departments have steadily increased primarily due to workers compensation, rent and central shops for fuel and maintenance. our general fund actuals for each of the categories as of december 31st is shown in the last column. there over time actuals are included in the total personnel

cost which is the first line and our fiscal year end 2025 year to date actuals is 52% of the budget in total budgeted full time equivalent positions are shown on this slide the total fiscal year 25 fund fte is is 3,032.1 which is an increase from prior years. >> the total sworn fte is 2337 and civilian fte is 695.1. >> retirement status and staffing a review of our sworn members based on the status by years of service and over the

50 years old is shown here and in the city sworn members 306 meet that criteria and 63 members at the airport are eligible to retire in the city as of december 31st. we have 1475 full duty sworn and 115 at the airport for a total of 1590 and currently there are 56 recruits. we are experiencing an unprecedented staffing shortage that continues in a downward trend since 2019. >> vacancy budget savings used for overtime backfill to address the staffing shortage and the recommended baseline is twice seven and 70 for sworn

members. there are 1566 members if we include a short term leaves or 508 officer short and with 1475 full duty sworn members as of december 2024. >> and for this last slide we are comparing over time as of the first half of the current fiscal year to the annual total from last fiscal year over time backfill and minimum staffing is the primary reason for overtime hours as of the first half of this fiscal year we are seeing the same number of overtime hours in the categories as last fiscal year from the highest to lowest there and the total number of hours. >> that concludes my

presentation sean and happy to answer any questions you may have. so question so from the mayor the mayor's indicated is there going to be a 15% reduction year to year to 2000 2626 and 27 and so and there's going to be all the non-discretionary spending. he's indicating that he wants that terminated, is that right? >> yes. so we were going to we will be reviewing all of our programs for effectiveness as well as contracts and positions to that extent and i know your this is just a first review of the numbers and we're going to have a second discussion regarding this. so in terms of the idea of eliminating vacancies, what is that? what does that mean? what does that really translate in to for the budget? >> so our vacant position is do

cover resulting saving salaries savings that cover backfill for overtime. so at this point next week's meeting i will go over some of that and so we all know we're not fully in terms of employees we're not full as it relates to the allocation a number we know that we need to have this overtime. we need these other officers to fill in for those units that we would have had if we had them filled. and so that comes in take that salary that's out there and captured. is is there a scenario that we can envision that in in fact by the fact if we don't fill those positions that we may have excess over our budget if in fact the overtime is cut down by way of the fact they're not going to be needed? >> so to answer your question, even though in the last the second to last slide there the total full duty sworn is 1475. we have prioritized recruitment

and hiring and until those numbers increase we will continue to rely on the overtime backfill which is the result of the salary savings from the vacant sworn members. >> good first reading okay commissioner, you thank you again to vice president carter augusto just had two questions regarding the the last page regarding general funds over overtime comparison you have february 15th you have the nba all star in town also the chinese new year pray that you factor in overtime that into this spreadsheet or so this slide here only goes through december so the first half of there but we have factored in

the upcoming events next week in our overtime salary projection. >> okay. thank you. and another one is i guess that calls for the officers on the homeless issues that still go to the police department or will that amount of calls will be reduced and would that translate into the amount of volume and man hours you need for for daily use on their. >> yes, there has been some reduction with the city's efforts to the implementation of say the heart team that's that's run out of the and there had in the fire department is now handling some of those calls to their crt street crisis response team so there has been some reduction and we've been measuring that on the other other side of that coin after the grants pass decision we have been called to

to work with those departments on a lot of the issues that in our inner lab. so we do have a team of officers because 28 in total at this point that works with those other agencies because it's collaboration and we're finding that collaboration is really, really important to get at this this issue. >> so to answer your question, some calls have been reduced but work in other areas has increased. >> okay. thank you very much. my last question would be to capital outlay equipment. i see that probably on your page eight. i've been told by many stations that there is an operator inoperative vehicles and that's if you have ten officers and only five vehicles in operation. so just wondering if that impact your you know, your coverage area and whether we

can ramp up getting new vehicles, whether it's lease maybe doing some creative lease financing for the newer vehicles that as needed out there because once you have your vehicle is out also you also have your computer system tied into it that that becomes a problem and reporting to as well this just what your thoughts on that or two so we will be requesting for vehicles this upcoming budget submission and the prior years we have not been getting as not as high of number of allocation for vehicles. so that is a concern as well as with our central shops maintenance and costs have increased as well because the vehicles are getting older. so we are looking at that and considering to request additional vehicles so that decisions i guess your recommendation goes to the

board issue, is that correct? >> we'll be discussing it during the mayor's phase first and then it will again with the board of supervisors face. >> okay. thank you very much. thank you for the presentation on slide nine it shows overtime expenditure increasing into the out years. can you just explain what what the driver of that is? is that because we anticipate having more officers because there is just recently that audit done i think in december showing that a lot of our overtime expenses like a substantial amount were due to fraud, abuse and lack of adequate internal controls. so i'm wondering why overtime spending would would would go up from where we are now. so on overtime we are increasing the need for overtime backfill. >> they are in the same similar categories where major o.t. overtime is being used as last

fiscal year and as you can see on the slide with the city sworn staffing there's continuous decrease in the number of full duty sworn since 2019 right. >> so chief, maybe you might know wasn't what was the percentage of our overtime that the audit found was due to lack of internal controls or abuse? it gave a number of percentages for different aspects of it but it was very substantial rate. >> i don't know off the top of my head is in the report but i don't agree with what you just said. yes there are systems that we need to improve upon but to categorize and most of our is fraud and abuse is just no, no not not most but just i'm just quoting that audit it did find a substantial amount correct? >> yeah. yes and we will there's a board hearing that we will address and answer some of those questions. but the way that's been framed give the indication that we had this rapid fraud and overtime. that's just not true.

that's just absolutely not true. so just to be clear, the budget showing that overtime expenditure is going up, you're saying that even when you get a handle on the lack of controls and the abuse that does exist, you are which would cause a reduction in overtime you still think other legitimate needs will increase such that the total number will rise the first of all there is not a lack of controls but to answer your question yes the overtime has increased because two things personnel costs have increased substantially which drives some of those numbers up. the other part of this is when you're 500 officers short we still have to do the work so the backfield has been basically a way of life for us if we can't we have stations sometimes that where there's without overtime there's 1 or 2 patrol units to cover a station. we have to backfill those positions. >> third thing is this work that is not necessarily excuse me a call for service that we are called to do for instance

u.n. plaza. you know a lot of those those issues that the public is so upset about, they don't result in calls for service necessarily. but we have to staff that almost around the clock to get a handle on that which we have gotten a handle on that. but a lot of those types of deployments over time are car break ins down 60% overtime in the tourist areas is one of the things that help us drive those car break ins down. so you know the work that needs to be done, we don't have the people to do it and that's where overtime comes in comes in handy. >> all right. understood. thank you. thank you. >> you're ready to go, chief, is there a date been set for the board of supervisors hearing on the auditors reports regarding the overtime spending? they pushed it back and i don't know if they rescheduled it yet but it was no, they have not yet. i would ask that you let the

commission know when when that's rescheduled for and then whatever written materials are provided to the board for that hearing should also be provided to the commission for sure. >> thank you. please. you got it visually thank you for thank you very much their presence in the allies. i also want to recognize in the audience our district attorney brooke jenkins here. >> thank you very much for coming to the police commission . sergeant, members of the public. i would like to make public comment. we i had my hand up. >> we also didn't you know okay. >> is there so sorry about that commissioner yanez, go ahead. thank you, president ladies, thank you chief and community members and commissioners was due to director henderson. just a couple of questions on

the budget. one of the one of the requests from the mayor's office is to identify areas of non effective discretion, injury or redundant spending. what process is the department undertaking to identify and address and respond to this expectation and instruction from the mayor's office or commissioner we've we've tasks are for personnel to number one identify those programs that we're spending money on. you know this discussion about overtime you know a lot of there's a significant amount of money that goes to initiatives to address crime tourism deployment tenderloin deployment, direct deployment, those types of things. so those are operational things that there are some overlaps in that and you know, maybe there are some efficiencies that can

be gained there. programs that we do like are youth programs that require personnel that don't require a whole lot of money but it requires personnel to to do these programs the wilderness program or some of our po pao programs and all of those things everything has to be evaluated and what has been asked by the mayor and the budget office is to evaluate them for effectiveness and if these programs are either redundant or not effective then those are the programs that are most likely to be done away with. so we're going through that process of categorizing and basically just like you would do in your personal finances just follow the checkbook, see what we're spending our money on and those that can be attached to a program then evaluate what the program does . how effective is it? well, it's a little bit difficult for us just in closing is there's so many things tied to our core operations that we have to spend money on. it's a matter of determining

whether those those things are effective or not. >> thank you for that. i mean and considering that in some areas we don't necessarily track certain metrics as far as whether there's participation or engagement, what's that a gather will you be using to inform those decisions about what is being effective and ineffective? >> well, some things for instance things that support our core functions but let's say extra patrols in an area where we have a spike of crime and we can always look at crime numbers and that's one metric. it's not an absolute metric. other things like community engagement, wilderness pow programs and some of the things we do with community engagement that's a little bit trickier in terms of what is the measure of effectiveness. we know that those things are necessary but they're really, really hard to measure and other things it's hard to measure as crime prevention. it's hard to measure what you

prevent and oftentimes when we are out there patrolling to try to prevent crime from happening so those those crime numbers don't stack up. it's you know, basically all we have is is the statistics that i read about every or talk about here every week. so some are easier than others. i think it's a lot harder with the community engagement types of programs or some of our trainings that are necessary. that's the other thing is we have to actually go through all of our training and prioritize of what's absolutely necessary and what's a nice to have but we may have to do without it as we trim down our budget. so i think you my next question is with regard to the projects ations of the staffing projections there's a recent article and you know this is a you know, important and to celebrate the fact that despite the fact that we had a record low number of officers throughout the year last year we did have some of the lowest

crime numbers, right. whether it be whether it's in violent crimes or a number of murders. and so i believe we did a wonderful job considering some of those challenges with staffing recruitment and retention. and my question is are we expect thing or have we experience or are we projecting a dramatic increase in either calls for service or the population of san francisco to justify an increase to to 2337 officers for fiscal year 2526 or 2627? i'm not sure where that request lands because it's also challenging to track numbers when i know that the city functions under a fiscal year calendar that starts july 1st through june 30th and a lot of your numbers here the way they're presented are for single calendar years. so it makes it challenging. but the question just is the

same are we projecting more calls for service or people in san francisco or is this just, you know, projecting an increase in staffing because that is just the standard way of doing things and we follow trends as far as calls for service and i don't i can't with certainty predict whether those calls are going to be increased or not. you know, the population may go up or down. that tends to generate more calls at the population increases. the other thing though to consider that we are considering whether our calls for service in our response times have have gone up pretty substantially over the last few years. >> the staff staffing has has gotten smaller. for instance our a priority calls our goal is is now eight minutes you know it wasn't long ago where that response time was six minutes and we used to meet that response time.

>> now other things factor here like traffic and population on that be priorities and see priority calls have gone up even more dramatically see priority calls on average is over an hour and that's way beyond what we would like to see on see priority calls v priority calls. we try to get there in 20 minutes and be priority calls. it's closer to double that. so those types of things have to be considered and that's a direct reflection of staffing levels even though we try to backfill with overtime we we backfill we have minimums that we try to backfill when we're short and it's not optimal. you know there's very few stations that have all of their sector cars working on all the shifts and the night shifts are even lighter so those things are factored in. >> commissioner it's not it's not all about the the calls for service and then the other things that we have to factor

in because of changes in the law. for instance i'll give you one example and not be long winded on this we have to assign officers on most public works cleanups in difficult areas and when i say difficult it's like you imply the sixth street that we're working on mission street dpw in most circumstances cannot do their jobs without having speedy security there with them. they've been attacked. they've been assaulted, threatened and they have to have us there with them and that's just the fact of the matter. so those are things that aren't necessarily showing up in calls for service but they're things that we've been asked to do and that we have to do in order to get where we want to get as a city. and there's more things like that. so until either the laws change that allow us to do that without public works or we figure out another solution, those are the types of things that that are really causing

our deployment needs to to increase. thank you for that. just one clarifying question there. when you said that we have experienced an increase in calls for service for context, are you talking about a recent increase post covid or an increase to the number to up in comparison to pre-covid call years? >> yeah, no i said response time calls for service has kind of fluctuated in some areas have have gone down some areas have gone up but it fluctuates but response times have creeped up constantly and fairly consistently since covid and beyond. >> got it. thank you for that. those are all my questions. >> thank you. i have a good question right. thank you. i said a quick question. i know this is part one of the part two. so as a procedural matter, is

there any action needed from the commission for the part one presentation? >> so i know that you answer that question. i know continue for continued feedback and typically what we do is we meet with every commissioner on budget and answer your questions and get your feedback and your your guidance on on whatever questions or concerns we have. so that will be an ongoing thing really up until mare's phase i think you all have to take a vote next week i believe and so we got okay for those commissioners who haven't been contacted you will be to have that discussion derek said apologize for that. >> okay then then i guess there's no motion needed from our end. thank you very much for the presentation. >> we look forward to additional good evening commissioners. >> i just wanted to thank commissioner clay for his help in coordinating and working with us on this and i think that that is exactly what the chief and commissioner

benedicto were referring to with respect to feedback and information that you all can relate to us. thank you. any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding line item eight please approach the podium and i'm just listening to what little i heard about crimes have been down and there's been less shooting than the crimes has been down and so i was wondering will this leave time for investigators unsolved for two to to work on unsolved homicides like my son and other mothers since the crime is down and those shootings are up but the crime is down so maybe the investors can do more work on our cases. i'm just asking that please, mayor commit.

>> yes, please. ms. brown yes. as far as the cold cases when when like our murders are down and they're down significantly so that actually gives us more time to work on those cold cases. you know your case you have an assigned retired person but it does give us more time to work on those cold cases. so i know a little tennis enders in the homicide unit are working on a lot of unsolved and cold cases because our homicide rate is significantly down from what it has been. yeah, i spoke with my investigator today. he's he's having surgery or had surgery so he's going to be out so i will just wondering he usually calls me often to let me know whether there's something going on with the case. but since like you said, the crime is down, maybe someone can help him help with our unsolved homicides so that so that cases can be solved since the crime is down again. so and with that thank you.

the 14th is my birthday. your just want to tell everyone on the 14th february 14th. thank you. i line item nine presentation and discussion on epa's budget fiscal year 2026 to 2027 discussion of possible actions . thank you for putting it on here already i think there's a budget. >> good evening, commissioners president elias chief scott director henderson my name is nicole armstrong and i'm presenting the department police accountability budget proposal for the fiscal year 2526 and 26 and 27 minutes a

little closer. >> yeah, sorry. that's okay. thank you. >> that was too high. yeah, no worries. all right, so today i'm going to provide an overview of our general our mission or core functions, our budget breakdown and the impact of what the 15% reductions will have on our department. >> all right. as you know, the dpa is an independent oversight agency. our mission is to investigate police misconduct review policies, conduct audits and ensure transparency and community trust. our dpa core functions is investigations. we investigate it. we we conduct investigations. we examine officer involved shootings, misconduct complaints. we also do mediation and outreach. we facilitate dialog between the officers and complainants and we also evaluate police performance audits such as the

use of force audits and stop data. we also do policy and legal where we recommend reforms or to improve our policing community relations. >> we also do our sb 1421 which is our releasing the officer involved shooting investigation records as well as sb 16 and sb two as you saw in the previous presentation, this is just a brief overview over the budget instructions that we received 15% reductions, ongoing hiring freezes, no government travel and try to reduce or eliminate vacancies. so what you see on the slide right here is dps total budget and this is just our flat budget of what we have and it's 10.3 million that we have proposed for 2526 and then 2627 is 10.7. the change in the budget really just reflects the ongoing pay raises that were agreed upon

with the union agreements. there is no additional funding that's being added over those two years. we're also proposing no changes in our staff of a total. right now we have 41 staff listed in our iso as well as in the following year and 2526 on this slide you can see our full budget breakdown. what you'll notice is primarily our budget is salary and benefits followed next by our into bardwell services and that's like d.t. you know our normal ones that we do through the city h.r. we have very limited material supplies our non personnel programmatic funds are to support any of our charter mandate tasks and we have a revenue which is really just any kind of internal departmental agreements we do within the city. so we do hearings or if we assist with any other functions like that. bd richardson dangerous dog that's that's what the revenue is and any work we do to

support the sheriff's oversight department this year in our our budget we are asking really for a minimal item. we're really our main focus for us part of this year is going to be requesting new vehicles, just one really new vehicle. we have one vehicle that's from 2006 and so we want to be able to trade in two of the vehicles for one vehicle so we can respond properly with a vehicle that will hopefully not break down to officer involved shootings as well as two in-custody deaths. so we're going to be requesting more vehicles at our department to do that. >> the current budget impact overall with the reductions could potentially reduce staff as you saw from our budget, our budget is mostly salary in french we do not have any other areas are able to pay it. we don't have any contracts. we don't have any grants. this is really our focus so we are trying to work with the mayor's office on figuring out how to do figure out the budget

going forward, having any kind of cuts with our budget will delay our case resolutions. we have limited number of staff. i said we had 41 majority of our staff as our investigation teams fewer resources will lead to a longer investigation timelines, delaying resolutions that benefit both the community and law enforcement. we will also add challenges to policy and training recommendations because it's going to reduce our ability will be working with more, working on more with less people and it will we're working on maintaining trust and transparency. so even though we're going to lose this we could potentially lose some funding. we will still fall will meet our charter mandate as well as any of our community needs. >> right? that is the conclusion of our budget presentation. >> i'm open for any questions. i am going to get it. >> mr. clay but before your

question can i ask one question? so walk me through the vehicles you have you we have three vehicles, three vehicles, a total of three vehicles. we have one from 26 and we are going to request replacing that vehicle so that way our staff can respond to officer involved shootings and in-custody deaths. >> okay, but how many officer involved shootings and in-custody deaths are you responding to in on a monthly basis? >> oh, not many. that's why we're trying to reduce from the three to just two vehicles instead so that way we have one in case we have one officer involved shooting or in custody and then another one as well for what? >> for the in-custody like so we have because you have people there's an officer involved shooting and and in-custody death at the same time you have two vehicles and we have multiple people that go and respond to those things. >> if i may only if you give the short version. >> sure. >> there are ongoing responsibilities that involve the jails and the jails are not close and those ongoing responsibilities require transportation and that is regularly independent of the

officer involved shooting in those instances that are not as frequent. okay. because that makes sense. commissioner clay you know yeah. >> so i paid a visit over to your office and you guys talk to me about the budget so when i see this the total budget for the year in and so we got mayor funding which is x dollars and they integrate what you do in terms of outside services to make up the totality of your budget is how is that what you're telling us? >> no, you talk about the our ideas or your revenue source because you say you have a revenue source but you've included that in your entire budget. so do they look at that before they before they fund you or do they that's they disregard that you add that and then you say okay now we can get to our 41 yes. >> so we use that as any additional funding we get. we are work ordered agreement to do the vicious and dangerous dog hearings in which we support the staff with that so that work order funds position we also have where we do

hearings and then also a work order for us to investigate the sheriff office cases and that's primarily we have our there's no real sheriff's office inspector general that's actually exists so we do all of that work for them right now and that's actually a majority of the ideas. everything else is like 150 $200,000. >> so some other independent group funds that revenue source but you don't included when you make your requests to the mayor because you're going to count on that outside of that it's all through city services so it's all still general fund money. >> it's just from other departments in the city. so what i'm saying so then you're saying you just get a lump sum allocated from the city and and you just break it out and say this is what you're getting. that allocation includes whatever let's say it's 500,000. okay i get you get you get $10,500,000 500,000 of it is from the outside services revenue but it's all you that's your budget from the mayor no the other the that's what yeah no the additional one is what we we are not outside of what the mayor's office gives us so

if you collapse you don't have to do any of that revenue generating services in your budget a short and you've relied on that when you've come to the table to begin the year for your staffing you are absolutely correct. >> that is why we're working on the mayor's office to make sure all of those positions are balanced in our budget. we want to make sure that we do not have any holes in our budget whether it's through on call pay comp time or anything else that we have to support with our staff. they are ongoing issues and the mayor's office is well aware of them so we are trying to make sure that we have enough funding to cover everything because that 15% reduction for you all right. that represents a huge hit to a budget where you only have 41 employees and a fund that that could be 2 or 3 people. i don't know how i don't know what the salaries are but that could be huge. >> yeah, it's a it's a it's about $1 million is what they want to cut from our budget so yes so there's a potentially for you all that there would be layoffs we are working with the

mayor's office to try to prevent that from happening. >> yes. well thank you, commissioner benedicto for the portion of the work that you're doing for the sheriff's department. >> is that a separate like what is the interaction of that for your budget requests? >> oh, so that's going to be based on the actual work that's performed. so doing intake, doing interviews the full investigative process all the way to policy. so it's it's mostly and then also because the oig doesn't have any support staff such as payroll budget any of the additional functions. so we actually provide all of that to that that department and so we get compensation back from them for supporting them in that way. so like i do two budgets every year we run two payrolls, we run two tech departments, we run all you know and depending on how many people they have dpa is actually it's actually supporting two departments right now. >> so is the budget request here that 10.3 million for 25 and 10.8 for 26 exclusive of

what you expect the work to be for dpa and speedy or and there's a separate some amount for the work that you're doing for the sheriff's apartment or is this an inclusive of that as well this is inclusive of that right now but we're working with the mayor's office to figure out we're going forward the stay as oig recently had their inspector general resign. so we're working on that with them. this really are a reflection of our budget is that it's a flat budget. we're basically asking for no cuts. no we want to keep and maintain what we have right now without the 15%. so we did that 15% is not added into here at all. >> thank you, vice president carter oberstar thank you, president ask sir so can you just clarify i just want to pick up on something commissioner benedicto asked so can you just clarify when you say the work that you do for the sheriff's is just based on the actual work performed that that means you don't get up for an allocation that you get you

get refunded after the fact based on your hourly rates for the employees who worked on the sheriff's department. >> that's correct. so basically we make an estimate of what the work order is going to be and then we perform that work. that work is hourly. it's tracked just like you were doing working at a law firm where your billing hours we take that calculated in and then every quarter we get those funds back based on the actual work we do. >> it's not a set fund but then the individuals doing the work are salaried employees and so is i guess sufficiently confident that they will bill hours in excess of their salary . so we base our work orders based on previous years and so it's an average one that we expect to use. we've been doing it for about three years now so yes, we i'm sorry. >> please. so yes we do we are we are estimates are pretty accurate for the most part. >> right. that's that's helpful. thanks. and then this might be more of

a question for director henderson and want to pick up on something that that commissioner clay raised which is i know that it's hard to do this in advance and you know have a complete picture and it's very sensitive. but i just would like for you to give us a more granular picture of what lay offs would have to look like in a scenario where you're being required to cut 15% of the workforce or have the budget. >> well, at this point i think it's clear at least from the presentation that nicole has presented so far it's a very lean department already. so almost any cuts again there's not outside expenditures. it's all salary positions. so any percentage of the cuts have to come from the specific work that's being done in the department and as we said, it's exacerbated by the fact that the department is also supporting the work from the sheriff's department at this time. there's only one employee on the sheriff's side that's an

administrative position that does the work in liaison with the board which acts as the commission not the board of supervisors. and i'm explaining all of that and probably way too much detail. but just to point out that many of our staffs wear double hats and all of the work that is being done at this point now aside from the administrator role, from the one employee is being done by the epa and so the cuts are our pretty treacherous for us at this point there are really only three classifications of our staff in the agency and that's legal investigators and administer of our administrative side has been cut for a very long time. we've had problems for a while

trying to have staff fill some of those positions and we have been able to fill a lot of those positions for a while. if we were to take cuts and to move forward with the cuts even as proposed it absolutely means and i think this answers your questions directly i'm sorry for the warm up to it but cuts for us means direct diminished capacities in our investigations and investigators and with the legal teams in management and you know aside from the various are from aside from the obvious of the several hundred independent investigations that we do a year and the intake process that means that the investigations which we've worked very hard to be respond to too and reducing the amount of time that the investigations take and the cases are closed that we've been tracking and

those numbers have gone down exponentially over the past few years to a level of efficiency and professionalism that i think the public expects that i think this commission expects that i think the department expects there to in the past when those processes would take a very long amount of time i think hurts not just the expectations of the public but it hurts the department for folks that have allegations then the investigations and the hearings take way too long and those allegations are you know, they they hamper the professional careers of the department and those are all the things that are at risk of becoming longer and bigger problems for dpa and for the city in my opinion. and that's before we address the diminished ability to have the trainings at the level that we have them and the i think the problems that would be

raised even with the transparencies that we're able to deliver currently in the department. >> well can i ask speaking of transparency, do you think that this will result in it will affect the charging decisions that dpa makes that certain cases won't be charged because there just won't be you'll have to triage and you'll have to decide which allegations are worth pursuing with charges whether they're kind of sustained or not. >> i think rather than looking at the charge i don't know that the charging would be changed directly because we would be following our charter obligations in the same way. i think that the back end of it would be that the cases would be more difficult to process, they would be more difficult to investigate, they would be more difficult to close connecting the investigatory work to the legal analysis and legal presentations that process would be it's already at capacity and the only thing that could happen is that that

process would go longer. my real concern just in answering that question is the 3 or 4 official sources that have been built into our process that we have not had to because of the hard work of the agency have not had to be we've not had to worry about that for the past 5 or 6 years now and that was an absolute >> that was going to be my next question. >> do you think you'll below 3 or 4 deadlines as a practical matter? i mean i think that's what's at risk and that was a standard before we got to this level of staffing that was a given for years and just an accepted loss . >> i think that's a great risk for the public. i think it's a great risk for the process of oversight and i think it diminishes the professionalism of the city and for the department for that to be at risk. >> let me just ask about you

mentioned admin legal management as the three buckets of employees is do you have any sense as you sit here today about where layoffs would have to happen if if and when it comes to that the layoffs would have to we have such few and such little admin and those are those are not the funded positions that would make the most impact. so i don't know what the direct correlation is because all the positions are different but it would take several of the administrative positions to add up to the value of the other positions and so we are it the only way to move forward effective early and then it causes more problems. i mean they're problems all the way around but the only way to address $1 million ask for a budget like ours is to take the cuts with the investigations

divisions and with the management divisions and yeah and why why would the investigation why would the investigators be one of the primary ways given that you know a lot of different people are overworked dpa clearly but investigators are as far as i understand extremely overworked and those are the people who are the most vital for not missing a 3 or 4 deadline. and on top of that, as you just mentioned, you know, investigator salaries are lower than for example, management salaries and so you'd have to get rid of more investigators to make up make up the shortfall. so why why would why would we focus on investigators? >> it doesn't seem intuitive to me. well, there's only three buckets to pull from and the buckets between investigators and management and in management those are all the lawyer positions as well. they are not as vast but they are significant certainly higher and broader than the

admin and so those are the only two buckets to pull and draw from and as valued as the investigatory process is the management and the lawyer process is valuable as well. i think the cuts would have to come from both of those buckets not a singular bucket. did that make sense? that makes sense that before two more questions one it's been publicly reported that a senior member of management was recently dismissed for inappropriate racialized comments that she made is her position again for purposes of this 15% analysis is would not filling her position count towards the 15% cut? >> i wish i could answer that question but i think those answers are still being addressed and talked about. we have not been able to use that position if that makes sense. we we've started we of course tried to receive and take as

many benefits from not having that position field as much as possible but that doesn't speak to a 15% withdrawal. >> last question it was reported several months ago now about staff certain staff people being being disappointed with working conditions or being critical of certain managers within dpa and there was i think a union survey that kind of collected responses. how will dpa ensure that layoffs are done in a way that leave employees and the public satisfied that individuals who had the courage to speak out are not being targeted for for mandatory layoffs as a result of their decision to to speak up? >> i think that process would speak for itself. i mean certainly no one is trying to move in a direction

reflective of that specifically . but obviously we're working very closely not just with staff but also the unions that are meeting with this regularly and our h.r. person on a regular basis in ways that didn't even exist previously. so those meetings are continuing to take place and the process of the the the process of of whatever cuts we would be asked to make certainly we would be following the city's guidance and how they wanted those processes to take place. but those discussions will include the discussions just like this about what the roles and those functions would be and what those cuts would look like in terms of diminished service not on individual participation. >> okay. understood. thank you, mr. clay. thank you, madam president.

i'm i'm done. commissioner carter oversaw the stone he and asked the questions. i need it. i think he is follow up is fine. >> i'm good. thank you, sergeant. if any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding line item nine please approach the podium and there is no public comment due to removing one of eight. we are also removing line item ten and 11 so we are going and 13 so we will go to line item 14 which is adjournment motion to adjourn now much needed this is done. >> okay. all right. thank you

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we work a lot with homeless, visitors, a lot of people in the area. >> what i like doing is posting up at hotspots to let people see visibility. they ask you questions, ask you directions, they might have a question about what services are available. checking in, you guys. >> wellness check. we walk by to see any individual, you know may be sitting on the sidewalk, we make sure they are okay, alive. you never know. somebody might walk by and they are laying there for hours. you never know if they are alive. we let them know we are in the area and we are here to promote

safety, and if they have somebody that is, you know, hanging around that they don't want to call the police on, they don't have to call the police. they can call us. we can direct them to the services they might need. >> we do the three one one to keep the city neighborhoods clean. there are people dumping, waste on the ground and needles on the ground. it is unsafe for children and adults to commute through the streets. when we see them we take a picture dispatch to 311. they give us a tracking number and they come later on to pick it up. we take pride. when we come back later in the day and we see the loose trash or debris is picked up it makes you feel good about what you are doing. >> it makes you feel did about escorting kids and having them

feel safe walking to the play area and back. the stuff we do as ambassadors makes us feel proud to help keep the city clean, helping the residents. >> you can see the community ambassadors. i used to be on the streets. i didn't think i could become a community ambassador. it was too far out there for me to grab, you know. doing this job makes me feel good. because i came from where a lot of them are, homeless and on the street, i feel like i can give them hope because i was once there. i am not afraid to tell them i used to be here. i used to be like this, you know. i have compassion for people that are on the streets like the homeless and people that are

caught up with their addiction because now, i feel like i can give them hope. it reminds you every day of where i used to be and where i am at now. >> we do in a way which is exciting engaging-the idea is bring the stories to life, because they are so relevant to the questions we all are asking today about where we belong, who are we, who do wree want to be. we wanted to be do something

about food, because it is such a wonderful entrance. to get people to think what are these cultures, how did they come about and how do i relate to them. we can't live the idea [indiscernible] >> there is hundreds if not thousands of immigrants kitchens and we wanted to show how immigration from 1849 through now the different dishes bought here and how it shaped the culture of the city. . not the thing we have to sit down and read for hours and hours, but you get a 2 and a half minute story and the feeling you can eat those foods and never get a dish the same way again. you have the context. >> we decided to set an journey across the city.

the result is [indiscernible] >> san francisco is a place where there are so many different immigrants communities. we are a sanctuary city, a welcoming place to be and the melting spot is a great to get out and explore the city, the history and how we got to have some of the best cuisine in the country and maybe even the entire world. >> my mother and myself and two sisters--we had to leave quick. my mom had one hour to pack and gather her things and gather her kids and head to the airport and evacuate. we found ourself in san francisco. my grand mother was already here. that is why san francisco was the destination for us. it goes back to my grand mother

and who loved to travel and she was also very afraid of the war going on in vietnam. she came to san francisco and she kind of fell in love with the sitdy. city. she visited the italian deli by oakland beach because she loved the beach and met the owner and the owner told her that this place is for sale and she decided this is her opportunity to stay in san francisco and her dream to be a business owner and open a restaurant. >> i was born [indiscernible] i graduated from a french program culinary school, then i [indiscernible] at that time, we had college of san mateo in the back yard and had a program for foreign students

and we got together and went to the american embassy and this woman welcomed us and she gave both. it is not [indiscernible] and then after that i got accepted and [indiscernible] ended up in san francisco where i had friends so i came to college of san mateo. from there, i transferred to chico state college, so i graduated there and that is when my culinary adventure started. i love cooking and also remind me of my childhood mptd >> my father had a dream and grit and determination. worked very very hard. to me, food is one of the most readily accessible to understanding a culture.

i don't think many people have the opportunity to travel to armenia or lebanon. we are lucky in the city, the abundance of asian cuisines and [indiscernible] restaurants are in many ways an opportunity to engage with another culture through food. >> my grand father had his backyard you name it, we had it. [indiscernible] but my grandma's cookie the memories of the [indiscernible] very powerful. when you channel these memories there is a image because it is a experience all 5 senses get if to it. i think that is why city is so important for immigrants. the first thing you

[indiscernible] we got to eat. you got to nourish the body and you remember and i went from memory really. >> i remember my grand mother telling me stories that when she first opened in 1971, people really didn't know much about vietnamese food and she started selling the italian deli food and half the food and half vietnamese food and she stands in the corner trying to pass samples just to lur customers into the restaurant and try vietnamese food. i think when you enter a new place and you have your family and you have each other and food is what holds your family together. at least for my family for sure, that is the time we get to enjoy food, make connections, bond, sit together and be

together. i just remember my grand mother and mom working hard all the time and once a week we would have family dinners. we gather and she would cook the food. all the kids we always look forward to that. my grand mother coming in 1971, she brought vietnamese food in san francisco. we are one of the first vietnamese arrest raunt restaurant in san francisco. >> for san francisco to have this map and look at all the people who came here and made things you can only find in sf. we are the place to get a

mission burete. burrito. that could be overlooked and not seen [indiscernible] >> important because it highlights the san francisco, the diversity for each restaurant and each spot on the map to share their story through food they serve to diners. i think it is special way to highlight the welcomeness and the [indiscernible] san francisco community is bay area has. >> it is one of the project that is so uniquely san francisco that speaks to the long history of immigration and cuisine the city has been known for. the melting spot allows the small businesses that have been around for a while to really shine with their own unique stories and flavors and so we really love it.

the ecosystem in san francisco is very unique and very welcoming of immigrants and immigrant initiatives. san francisco choice to honor us with the legacy business recognition really shows their support of small local businesses. >> a legacy business is a business that has been around and open in san francisco for at least 30 years. legacy businesses are the most foundational businesses in our neighborhood corridors. they provided services and a place for community to gather for often times for generations. they are really part of the culturally fabric that makes san francisco neighborhoods so unique. >> the idea is take what i think is [indiscernible] about immigration, about belonging, about some of the amazing history of the city. [indiscernible]

>> i'm san francisco's first drag laureate and the first one in the world. the drag laureate program and the position is one this celebrates an artist for being the best in their craft and i'm proud to have received that xroel it it is afternoon ambassador role. a role that represents the lbgtq+ community in san francisco the focus on the drag performers and trans-activists

and performers in san francisco as well. when i heard the city was creating the drag laureate role i was so excited because it did foal like they were paying attention to us. and cared about when we gave culturally and economically to the city >> here is your new drag laureate for the city and county of san francisco! i'm getting the call from the mayor i was chosen was fantastic day. i will always remember. i thought that it would just be about the bay area. because of what happening in the world it became a national story. i hope it can shine a light on san francisco and how they take care of the drag community and the lbgtq+ community. i hope that i can help carve out this position and create a role

with programs and events this can be passed down to future drag laureate this is come after me and can set a stage and standard for what this program is in san francisco and national low and inner nationally. there is a rich history in san francisco. that the drag community has been part of. i'm very proud to follow in their footsteps and able to maintain what the drag community has done in the past and move forward with creating a bright future. my job is to elevate and celebrate television. >> (music).

>> hi, i'm - welcome to the to san francisco in-person a roundtable person about important topics we're to be talking about maturing and aging retirement life really, really trying to speak with you all did i. something that i'm trying to plan for and thinking about every year as i'm working everyday and hoping not to work anymore but go around and introduce yourselves and then let us know if you are retired right now or like what kind of career and starting with crystal clear i'm crystal clear a fourth generation from california and in san francisco. identify

himself is pronounced. one way san francisco i taught school educational system in the school indict and educated in san francisco and in 37 years and went to high school and married to my wife sidney and marveled thirty years and several times because we didn't have the marriage take because of will you get and in cameron house i live currently in sunny does the fogist part of of the city and retired since officially retired from the school district in 2005 and done a lot of community work

with the lgbtq+ and focusing on as i get older in intergenerational work trying to create a stronger community corporatively. >> did you like working with education. >> in the 7th grade had an incredible teacher mrs. burke and from then on i know i was going to be a teacher in 7th grade i became a teacher so no time off. >> okay. dave. >> renderings david today is any one year anniversary of being retired. >> so last september when i retired after serving three presbyterian churches in san

francisco and covenant presbyterian and the last one presbyterian church. i originally from colorado and raised our kids in denver but came to san francisco in 2020 went to the seminar to be a presbyterian minister and done that for the last years. >> before i came to california. >> before i was a baptist minister. >>. thank you. >> jimmy how about yourself. >> i'm jimmy retired in the department of public health in san francisco and served as is deputy director of health and for a sponsor for hiv for all in my work as deputy i retired in 2008, on a friday and monday

started at nonprofit another executive director and for four years and came then officially retired retired in 2011, i served obtain community board's and active through retired and they don't seem healthy to me in a lot of ways i knew i wanted to be healthy i'm a first generation no my family and over 50 years in san francisco and went to la for 5 years. >> (laughter.) >> also. thank you. >> and linda how about yourself. >> good morning linda parker for l t b the founder i have been in california since 1981

came out for graduate school and in for 25 years since i got married i don't consider myself required i created my own business in 2006 and i do leadership development and consulting. and you know, i'm described as a trip threat i worked for apple computer as an aide and then google when i was in any 40s. which made me a - only two powers of people and google were reporting american and some small percentage anyway, i was 0 unicorn and now i'm still doing my own business at my open pace doing the things

i enjoy i serve on a few board's i'll claim as served on a number of board of supervisors over the years because i enjoy working with nonprofit organizations likeoodwill ape goodwill in the and tried to be an point with my purchase serving admit people and helping people do what necessary, do and my son is 21 so i learn a lot from him and on social media podium and now i use them god help me. you know, but somewhat row like it or not but have a son that age or child you feel this way too it keeps you current. that's me.

>> thank you. >> so let's just start with an easy question. i think that you know, for me think whatever it is odd when i take a vacation i came back how will i get ready to retire to do what i want to do? i was wondering for you all at what age or who moment you start thinking about whether it is finance or health or like things you do when - that what time or age or moment you have when you think about retirement? >> anyone? >> i think for me it was a natural being in education every summer was a retirement and over september was a renewal so that i had the great principle and

pleasure and not teaching summer school but enjoying life you know, progressives and my daughter is an education a psychiatrist and called the golden handcuffs because you have this job you work for a certain amount of time physically and emotional and supervisorial and thin you can relax for a couple of months like a retirement and come back to say that gave me a lot of practice at taking time off and doing what i needed to do recharging and coming back. >> so you know, i have a different view i signaled about retirement i don't think i ever thought i'd retire someone tell me a long time ago livestock unfolds in three stages and lastly, to safety officer. i

coming from school but being a lifetime learner transition and earn bucks and make money and help my family be comfortable i moved into service early in any career service is the work i do and it is you know, whether or not i don't get paid or not a reflection of change in my values how i want to show up in the world and serve and . >> huh? and if someone wants to pay me that's okay. >> and later on you're working in a field and i came early my family is multi generational i had a wonderful cook was the first black women journalist and worked for the boys and graduated for the university of mini so the so i sat with her and spent the weekend with her

and she was in her 90s and passed in when she was 98 she taught me about her life was that meant the impact of that that was her legacy i thought about what will be the legacy so put me on the path of this pretty early. >> for me, i had (unintelligible). >> for my cousin and brother and sister work and came to and went to work (microphone distorted) always had a formation about work i thought about retirement seriously in 2008, and was in financial health eda is came out with that idea you were from the

hi paid will give you three years in aid and three years of service i decided to retire in 2008, as of the offer but more - because maybe three years older gave more service i retired based on that fact and also knew that um, and public health was hard the next a place was the health direct i knew that was not going to happen. >> as is i moved into my 70s a couple of years ago my wife of 50 years have you thought about retiring yet? i said no, i'm not ready to retire i feel like i have something to say still.

writing a sermon every week for example, and also i don't know if i can afford so i'll keep on working until i can't anymore and one day i had a oh, huh? moment maybe i said what i had to say and consider setting that aside and not making that my main thing but also, we realized that in the time we left in my live things we wanted to do travel and seeing friends in different places around the world we have done a little bit before but want to do much more and shift gears and do those kinds of things. and so about a year about two years ago i started thinking more and more

what retirement will look like and being at a financial thing the pension, benefits from my presbyterian church and social security and things like that and doing in on figuring out that and i think we can doe this and however like two weeks after i retired i missed writing so i upgrade back to writing but also realized that i enjoyed doing what was was doing and right now that is temporary for the pastors so kind like the flexibility of this going to colorado in a couple of weeks and going to go to new zealand in the winter that freedom makes a big difference. >> i want to ask you know,

obviously we're sort of after post covid when that happened it go obviously did that give you an inch to do more and maybe my health i need to slow down and not do as much. did covid slow down i know for my mom she was like more fearless she's like i don't want to be occupied my life is shorter now and i should do more. >> well covid wasn't have that made me crazy i'm anyone that likes traffic and get out of country every year and i literally community-based nuts so the ability to traffic but i

started taking long walks in the park near where i live in the bayview and kicking with nature and took up mediation the two things that saved me confined you know, would have been too much for me. >> i'm glad that is something that is very popular. >> yes. >> covid1m for me wasant in our lives and any mother um, was one hundred and 4 i - she was one of the pioneers and had to maintain her life she was independent until she was one hundred in check up walking

around and doing her grocery shoppingead to visit her and help her out wh groceries that made us less carefully we had to go out and no choice but started delivering my partner and i started delivering totes seniors and a lot of people were more w they needed the help and actually, we needed to do that and the fact we are very careful and therefore, be it resolved never caught covid 19 neither of other lks wn' able to6 take o m shod us you know, she was fierce in hert

going. >> for me, i run. so i had an opportunity to run in my neighborhood in outer mission and st. mary's park i run in that area and go run look the marina and got me out six the house and i got to know people had the connection i run a few times a week and run 7 mile and so that for me is the way i dealt with covid by having been a health professional and working with hiv and aids i saw a lot of loss families destroyed in some cases so some that is a - i was able to recognize

what did i need to be helpful for other folks and take care of me when it comas to helping other folks i'm helping them and it is not about me by about them. >> i like what you say. >> i like what you say about getting out and running i hate running though (laughter) but that's realized and now in retirement is i really got sedentary in covid and sat and today, i'm finding that hard to maturity myself to get out and do stuff let's take a walk well. okay. but when i do it i'm glad but having to unlearn that as well as that sedentary lifestyle. >> but the health thing identifying is very important

d we have to pay attention to that no doubt about. >> that taser into a what i was going to say one of my coping thing is music i started a church, i went to church and was the one that was singing that day she sank we can be kind. and so i started a play list called we can be kind so the music is note just the music i sing but dance also i have but with 24 plays listed one is room makes sense and resistance and one is sexy whatever. but anyway, i find i love to sing and caps to the music and reminds me when i was a teenager

in the song and now, whatever we connect to my heart and my memories and the words of the music i think is good because i understand people with dementia can play and song and will remember the words; right? and the mules memory of the brain i think the music and the rediscovering music and reclaiming it in my life)q was huge and got me off the couple i didn't care before if people were looking at me before. (laughter). >> that's serious. >> one of the things we need the i'm part of the seniors drumming group i am we started zoom in covid but you can't drum during covid you're off and

nobody can hear you, we met in the park and 10 feet away from each other and 20 people drumming that is the connection with people the we're far away and keep a distance really kept us going and in a year we began drumming in the park that was really, really wonderful and kept us sane actually. >> that is interesting that like i guess you know, we're hearing stories that made you help during the time like you know, downtime versus like i guess the notion that we need to help you know, the older people during covid and actually you stepped out and helped other people and you're about me but everything else and it is good you do that. >> one of the most important things health wise to be with

people.liness will be continue to be a really, really bad thing society and in america. more and more people are living by themselves without connections to other people and we need to find ways to get out of that kind of thinking and with people despite our concerns about infectionei disease the downsize to that to that. >> and a - and the - about $24 million a year to nonprofits in san francisco and population is interested in serving older adults we have articulated that population and one of the reasons you said a

welcomeness and isolation and how to help others and providing nonprofit with the resources and some of the nonprofit we funds are doing emergency generational work it is critical for seniors to have interrelationships to the community and for folks to get resources available from us and really have to say we have to sort ofush back against the devices (laughter). >> that you know, caterer us to kind of existence i'm not sure wasn't the solutions are to that. i get sucked into that really easily so how we can do the community in spite of our devices or incorporate them into

our lives. >> i want to build on what you said the community because they need to be together is critical and i was conscious of kind of being with my tribe you know, whether that was with my■' chur group or my community groups you know, that i am with. and you know, for better or worse helping each other we are all in the together for the families i was conscious of you know, keeping our eye on that on my family and you know, my sister one of my sisters has not come through as well, not coming out of and she's literally angled 10 years in the years of the pa conscus o■x's mental health andthe need you

call peo rdomly three years but i pick up the phone a recon own a of that■b i think conscious rebuilding and row claiming our community and i know i refer to them as my tribe for whatev reason it is critical coming. >> i'm curious like do you all have subcontractors with other people regularly lying share whether that is personal stories or advise or more keepingith people. >> absolutely most of my work is gotn oinarily woing profesonally has been intergenerational work it is important if i'mging ■ physically can't do things i thir as many young people

are doing but all my political work and communityork is inrgenerional and a conscious effort to do that and we lear from each other and especial pi young folks need to sehey'r future community we're not we are people see continuous and support and advise and listen andnerational work it is building community to cross over and help each other as elder ths ung people ideas and we teach all the technology things i don't know i'm asking how d you

do this? so really, rll crucial for our survival. >> a woman over 40 i 2007 i started there a i was on usedo be he younger permanent; rig but tre was the early and the group.eole over0 so i had to learn really quily a crash course in how totandack and um, be okay with a tower-year-old telling me what to ; right? and i'll say in general you know, please don't tell me what to do i've been around long enough to knowt to do but

when we think they came out of n the folks the i thought i hired me for my experience and worrisome and in google nobody looked like me but since then wonderful to have done the work, work in cross generations and having a 21-year-old son was way a baby boermz but now i'm focused ownb+ young people the e other day there was a young african-american woman at another table so fm was getting up to go and this older woman i had a friendship with (laughter) get to know her i feel i - we

need each other; right? i know i need the i don't want to put words in your mouth full energy and so i thinking about my son. >> aughter.) >> yeah and yeah. so, anyway that is really i cherish and a cherish kind of butt the might t elders and you know, one ev my son is surprised i say yeah on my play list and technology i'm always training people in my age group whatever the thing is to get more experience i like modern elders. >> one of the things i think i like about being a senior now is that i so we have worrisome a life of experiences and i thought about what those

experiences mean not just experienced it took a lot about what any life is and find myself writing my memory jars but given all that i realize i have a lot to learn and t have an attitude of continually lea and not just sort of sitting back and saying i can get but for must new but having go curiosity to learn and the challenging assumes that you know, that i've you know, thought i knew that maybe i don't know but continuing to learn. >> significant thing. >> i was going to ask linda i'm curious were you always out

going or talk to strangers before or is that something at an age i don't care what people think of me anymore (laughter). >> what's the benefits of getting older he grew up she i wouldn't talk to strangers and strangers or whatever but at some point i slipped by certainly i got in any 40s and now, whatever that i want to talk to last night - and you know, you know what that is why i guess part of the essence of life as you get older you're titled to that; right? and people like tony morrison and people you know, just who they are; right? and maybe that came with their age and bei elder so i should mention people that

are story tellers their life and connect with them and you know, i had those models. >> (multiple voices.) >> and when we approach as elders they sort of sees as harmless. >> right. right (laughter). >> that's true someone is sitting there and- >> (multiple voices). >> coming up to take. >> you're much more open to. >> my mother was like i said passed at 1 hundred and 4 but a curious person with her life and always said she may with living in the first chinese person an open authoritative but

because she was curious this was a really modeling for myself and i feel like elders we just have a we're able to approach 0 anyone and hey how are you? and they're openo tak with us. >> i think for me my challenge and career forced me to be a more public person and away from work i became more quiet and less engaged. so this pierson of being in the room and doing what i needed to do and sng what i needed to do and after a speech people will come up and

talking to me and forced me to engagement and that work into my life i became more and more willing to talk to folks because they didn't know me. and when i was doing my that public health work and - but i a group of people sometimes large and maul groups of ple i needed to engage with them. >> which i found myself doing from the pull petty had tngs to say to people and i learned how to be you know, a public person with whatever congregation i was woring with but sometimes would hold back in the morning that kind of thing and it takes a lot of energy to be up front u know, and so but

then once i would get through it reluctance to be engaged always wonderful conversations that pple seem to joy. seems even any grandchildren b that's pretty rare they enjoy my conversation (laughter). >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> okay. so i want to kind of do in rapid fire questions with short answers or kind of short comments shot out questions to you guarantees. okay. so one question is you guys regret not taking more photos or videos not having great memories documented. >> i have to sort of them out. >> i yep.

>> i wish i had taken more of those days you know, and digitally preserved with film cameras. >> yeah. about you guys sleep less and do like what you try to use more time to do stuff. >> it takes more time. >> i sleep more. >> i take a nap every afternoon (laughter). >> yeah. >> huh? >> that's great. do you see the term seniors or he recalls negative or norm? >> i'm not crazy about the terms but, yeah yeah. >> i agree with that and i'm a modern early which the thing i'm embraced the term he recalls. >> and part of what i am.

>> with that do you like to use your senior discount or ask for a senior discount. >> no way (laughter). >> absolutely and what what- >> (multiple voices). >> you know. >> (laughter.) >> that's right take my 10 percent. >> do you guys expect people to kind of give i more respect now you're older like how to listen but there's a seat there and they should get up or open the door for you things like that more respect. >> no, no. >> this is california. >> (laughter) that's a regional thing. >> i'm on the bus someone gets off their seat i'm offended. >> (laughter.) >> you know, i say no i don't

need it (laughter). >> i'll take the seat- >> (multiple voices). >> thank them but. >> younger people but don't want them to offer it to me. >> i offer it to older people. >> and birthdays accompany do you have celebrations for each birthdays. >> i'm having two parties 0 would think in southern california and one here. >> (laughter.) >> 75 a landmark for me. >> (laughter.) >> i have a party every year sometimes in new york or mexico last year. >> i do every 35 years now they don't mean that much laughter. >> that's a party. >> i mean do you think that acknowledging this is good or bad hindrance or -

>> i think a hybrid is good people connect through the pandemic and items if we if have you know, zoom and face time and things of that nature we feel isolated but i can call or face times someone across the world and say hello. >> you know, and it is not a big deal i can do it earlier i agree with three it's good i mean, i guess i get confused my 13-year-old granddaughter no, but that's a good tool. >> my mom had church at one hundred and 4 without leaving a sundays that is really good for her. >> silicon valley and apple

and google? addicting it is a downside but putting that it brings us together but is distracts for the notifications but a i see scary i'm trying to stay ahead of that. >> the last one do you think about like your health everyday like the meals you eat? i don't know the way you move about you know, your day is that like every single kind of step you think about it or month when something happens you'll figure it out. >> i pile there if i don't continue moving imoving. i thin that to me heavily into ti which he and i feel it is need to do

that and keep on moving otherwise i'll stop. >> i have two hip replacements one on each side and as soon as as i get back to running that is important but friends in my age group we do 5 minutes and after that (laughter). >> we have to do something else. >> i'm aware i'm moving more slowly. i don't have as much flexibility as i used to have so i'm trying to - i'm aware of that and trying to move more deliberately. and then also around eating my wildlife's are deliberate how we eat and thinking much more carefully about the nutrition and we pay

attention to that. >> the one thing about the. >> well, do nuts (laughter). >> and i'm kind of everything hurts but- >> (multiple voices). >> i community-based what that didn't hurt yesterday why is it hurting today? as we're dancing or whatever it didn't hurt but once you stop yeah. >> so another topic i want to talk about for me and my culture i know you'll take care of my mom and i am right now but wondering for you who have kids when you were i guess getting up to the retirement or now are you hoping to expect you're kids will take care of you when our older or a hindrance for them to take care of you and trying to figure out a way they won't have

that not a problem but a task in our lives how do you feel about that and i don't want my son to take care of me i expect to provide for my niece i don't want to sadly him with that and want to be able to dance at his we can do better or we're adjourned and if he gets a academy awards he'll help. >> i work with kids in my life and my wife and i have talked about we know we want them in our lives but set up our lives financially we hope we don't need them we'll be able to take care of ourselves and live on our own and t though, come and visit us sour grandkids.

>> i feel the same way but 76 years with my enemy which was an incredible experience. and again, i said at one hundred she was still. >> at one hundred and three (unintelligible). >> (laughter.) >> but she taught up us to be independent but i knew culturally was a gift to take care of her and i want to have my daughter have the independence and trying to set it up we don't have to be. >> you never know you can't plan for that. >> i have 4 kids that live in various parts of the country we talk about buying an r v and spending time at each kids

highway in theriveway and they say dad that joke is getting really tired laughter we don't want to move where our kids are to be close to them they can come and see us, we spend our times with friends and have our kids and grandkids in our lives but not relying on that in that sense. >> so uk i guess i want to ask this as well as far as a topic of like come to your mind like revisit you because of friends or oat family are passed away is that on your mind kind of often or not oven at all? >> every funeral at everyone i

learned so much from that legacy i love to hear the stories and talking about the person and celebrated so that's how i processed that i don't think about my own debate but celebrate people what though attributed to the world and i get good are death. >> i think about my own death celebration my mom we celebrated her life and have several friends on the verge of transitioning but taught me that in life i live life until you transition you're not dying i have a celebration you know, we have drag shows and have parties and have like celebrations drumming and i

think that is you know, celebrating our lives and before we transition. >> i have to say had i contemplated the idea of retiring one little calculations how many years to do those other things. and retirement will food me so i have been thinking more about when will i die? but yo-yo want to spend the rest of my life getting ready to die but being engaged in the living and new experiences and will not jump out of open airport or par shutting but i want to living is the significant thing and not just the design. >> i like it reflection my work

in hiv and aids spent a lot of time talking about the little things as as opposed to dying i'm ready and continue to be living apartment the quality but not dying but living. >> and we're really, really principles at it table we have a financial resources in education and language and the situation but we can do what we want to do. so many he recalls and seniors you know, that don't have that. and that's where we focus a lot of our attention others can make the choices we make because they're not in our situation. and people's lives maybe be fairly stable the medical thing hits and it's devastating my friend will have to spend his life in a facility

and- >> (multiple voices). >> but its costing them thousands of dollars a month and it is financial butcher is serious. so our healthcare system can an fixed up a little bit better (laughter) and i agree. >> (laughter.) >> i want to quickly mention a tv show about this man that studied whether that is a high concentration of people living around the older so found 5 places and i only got through two episodes and italy and loma linda and what are the rituals and how are they doing that caused that and coming up with i

highly recommend watching it is spirlg i learned about things i can shift with my mind set things. >> we saw last night too. i don't know what podium it is on but result is facilitating and oc no was over one hundred. >> music was incredibly important part of her life and continues to play and think and keeps you going. >> and people were walking up steps; right? >> (multiple voices) (laughter). >> walking up and down north beach everyday, everyday. >> wow. >> and linda was talking about the legacy leaving it and other

milestones that your trying to community church or i feel like for me when i say and talk to my friends and imperative or enemy whatever any milestones you're trying to achieve in the next 10 years. >> a bunch of criticize i want to go to and the big thing to do my memoirs and got to get my memoirs and my friend says to write my memoirs. >> there's a lot of places we want to visit and have friends in various places of worlds and saw them once 20 year ago and want to see them again but the thing i found the writing was important part of legacy thing i start writing down my life. my working title my life but also

realized used to have is experiences need to get back to the history of things going on and in chicago in 1968 and what things were happening and recommending it and - but part of it say, i want to pass it on leave a legacy for my grand children and great grandchildren that is the life i lived and don't want to leave it but that's what happened (laughter). >> for me, i have a bucket list of travel and absolutely want to go to africa i want to go to africa and go to ghana through the don't ever no return it is important for spiral kind of way to know that my ancestors went through that

door and literally turned i wanted to go through the door of no return. and who made it and we survive. >> i guess mine is simpler i want to see the northern light and want a grandchild that is far away i'm already seven 7 my daughter has no interest at all that but i'm interested in my grandkids i was 50 before had we adopted our daughter from an older parent and we have friends with grandchildren and great grandchildren at the end of the day, if if i go to bed happy and consent and have a connection

with friends and family and joy know i've done the best i could that's my milestone. >> jimmy you mentioned wanting to go to guatemalan in a - i came back in 2020 and 6 weeks later we were in lock down and thank god i went to guatemalan in a and discovered so many things the feeling of seeing people that look like me and have been to beautify music and clothing and just the sense of purpose and close to your here's and americans are a exodus

livestock their best lives beating cancer and, you know, having a baby and up and running 7-year-old you know, that's the baby but anyway, that i couldn't do but (laughter) i'm saying reconnecting was amazing i hope to make that trip to georgia in a soon. >> and lastly for someone i'm in any 40s and is there anything you share to me as advise for my next how many years what i should? any advise for me, i'm sure i can apply it to people younger than me. >> be curious be curious about new things and being willing to

embrace new ideas. i find that is really is invigorating and keep drumming. >> (laughter.) >> yeah. >> (laughter.) >> i agree with that stay curious and like keep on swimming swimming in neuro month. >> thank you. >> if you think that is possible go for that go for that and whenever you go and whatever you achieve will be yours. >> continue don't be afraid to make a major change in our life i decided to become a

presbyterian minister at the age of 50 and wonderful 20 plus years and best things i ever did and put aside what i did before that but i think willing to do thing embrace new things at whatever age is a good thing. >> and the last thing to know who you are and who you are all the time and people from a young age trying to figure out who am i and the sense you are and that; right? and if you want everyone around you to be you. that's where all the joys is. >> engagement is critical energy and family whatever be games spiritual and even with

grujz we think we'll get over them (laughter.) >> sometimes you have to let things go a family member in work anymore let it go and say. okay. >> that's the way what it is. >> thank you so much for coming today and i feel like learning and hearing your stories your life stories is encouraging and people say that it has more meaning what they've done it themselves and what they've done in life and very super inspiring to hear from everyone i'm super, super glad. >> thank you for sharing our stories. >> thank you. >> a new community. >> a new tribe. >> yeah. .

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>> the ferry building one of san francisco most famous that as many of 15 thousand commuters pass through that each gay. >> one of the things that one has to keep in mind regarding san francisco is how young the city we are. and nothing is really happening here before the gold rush. there was a small spanish in the presiding and were couriers and fisherman that will come in to rest and repair their ships but at any given

time three hundred people in san francisco. and then the gold rush happened. by 182948 individuals we are here to start a new life. >> by 1850 roughly 16 thousand ships in the bay and left town in search of gold leaving their ships behind so they scraped and had the ships in the bay and corinne woods. with sand the way that san francisco was and when you look at a map of san francisco have a unique street grid and one of the thing is those streets started off in extremely long piers. but by 1875 they know they needed more

so the ferry building was built and it was a long affair and the first cars turned around at the ferry building and picking up people and goods and then last night the street light cars the trams came to that area also. but by the late 1880s we needed something better than the ferry building. a bond issue was passed for $600,000. to build a new ferry building i would say 800 thousand for a studio apartment in san francisco they thought that was a grand ferry building had a competition to hire an architecture and choose a young aspiring architect and in the long paris and san francisco had grand plans for

this transit station. so he proposed the beautiful new building i wanted it wider, there is none tonight. than that actually is but the price of concrete quitclaim two how and was not completed and killed. but it opened a greater claim and became fully operational before 1898 and first carriages and horses for the primary mode of transportation but market street was built up for serve tram lines and streetcars could go up to the door to embarcadero to hospitals and mission street up to nob hill and the fisherman's area. and then the earthquake

hit in 190 six the ferry building collapsed the only thing had to be corrected once the facade of the tower. and 80 percent of the city would not survive the buildings collapsed the streets budges and the trams were running and buildings had to highland during the fire after the actuate tried to stop the mask fire in the city so think of a dennis herrera devastation of a cable car they were a mess the streets were torn up and really, really wanted to have a popular sense they were on top of that but two weeks after the earthquake kind of rigged a way getting a streetcar to run not on the

cable track ran electrical wires to get the streetcars to run and 2 was pretty controversial tram system wanted electrical cars but the earthquake gave them to chance to show how electrical cars and we're going to get on top this. >> take 10 years for the city to rebuild. side ferry use was increasing for a international exhibition in 1950 and people didn't realize how much of a community center the ferry building was. it was the center for celebration. the upper level of ferry building was a gathering place. also whenever there was a war like the

filipino war or world war two had a parade on market street and the ferry building would have banners and tgive you an idea how central to the citywide that is what page brown wanted to to be a gathering place in that ferry building hay day the busiest translation place in the world how people got around transit and the city is dependent on that in 1915 of an important year that was the year of our international exposition 18 million living in san francisco and that was supposedly to celebrate the open of panama differential but back in business after the earthquake and 22 different ferry boats to

alamed and one had the and 80 trips a day a way of life and in 1918 san francisco was hit hard by the flu pandemic and city had mask mandates and anyone caught without a doubt a mask had a risk ever being arrested and san francisco was hit hard by the pandemic like other places and rules about masks wearing and what we're supposed to be more than two people without our masks on i read was that on the ferry those guys wanted to smoke their pipes and taking off their masks and getting from trouble so two would be hauled away. >> the way the ferry building was originally built the lower level with the natural light was used for take it off lunge

storage. the second floor was where passengers offloaded and all those people would spill out and central stairway of the building that is interesting point to talk about because such a large building one major stairway and we're talking about over 40 thousand people one of the cost measures was not building a pedestrian bridge with the ferry building and the embarcadero on market street was actually added in and in 1918 but within 20 years to have san francisco bay the later shipbuilding port in the world and the pacific we need the iron that. as the ferry system was at

the peak two bridges to reach san francisco. and automobiles were a popular item that people wanted to drive themselves around instead of the ferry as a result marin and other roots varnished. the dramatic draw in ferry usage was staggering who was using the ferry that was a novelty rather than a transportation but the ferry line stopped one by one because everyone was getting cars and wanted to drive and cars were a big deal. take the care ferry and to san francisco and spend the day or for a saturday drive but really, really changed having the car ferry. >> when the bay bridge was built had a train that went

along the lower level so that was a major stay and end up where our sales force transit center is now another way of getting into the city little by little the ferry stopped having a purpose. >> what happened in the 40 and 50's because of this downturn we were trying to find a purpose a number of proposals for a world trade center and wanted to build it own the philly in a terrible idea objective never gotten down including one that had too tall towers a trade center in new york but a tower in between that was a part of ferry building and

completely impractical. after the cars the tower administration wanted to keep americans deployed and have the infrastructure for the united states. so they had an intrastate free plan the plan for major freeway systems to go throughout san francisco. and so the developers came up with the bay bridge and worked their way along embarcadero. the plans were to be very, very efficient for that through town he once the san francisco saw had human services agency happening 200 though people figure out city hall offender that the embarcadero free was dropped and we had the great free to no

where. which cut us off from the ferry building and our store line and created in 1989 and gave us the opportunity to tear down the free. and that was the renaissance of ferry building. >> that land was developed for a new ferry building and whom new embarcadero how to handle travel and needed a concept for the building didn't want- that was when a plan was developed for the liquor store. >> the san francisco ferry building has many that ups and downs and had a huge hay day dribbled adopt to almost nothing

and after the earthquake had a shove of adrenaline to revise the waterfront and it moved around the bay and plans for more so think investment in the future and feel that by making a reliable ferry system once the ferry building will be there to surface. >>