they sends an emt and medic. if you are upon experiencing an emergencior worry body machine's safety on the street call 911 >> nonemergencies use 311. you can learn more about the street2025.) >> welcome to the city and county of san francisco abatement appeals board meeting this morning at 10:30 am., wednesday, january 15, 2025. this is the the regular meeting of first

item is the roll call. >> president chavez here. >> vice president neumann here. >> commissioner alexander-tut here. >> commissioner meng here. >> commissioner shaddix and commissioner williams is excused we have a quorum and next we have a quorum and next land unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush (rah-my-toosh) ohlone (o-lon-ee) who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. territory. territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders, and relatives of the ramaytush ohlone community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples.

>> okay. thank you. >> next for any members of the public maybe listening in public maybe listening in the public public public public public code: 2663 240 9391. to raise your hand for public comment on a specific agenda item press *3 when prompted by the meeting moderator. okay. next item next item >> 2. approval of minutes: discussion and possible action to adopt the minutes for a meeting held on: november 20, 2024. is there a motion or any items changed for the minutes? >> so moved.

>> so there's a motion by commissioner shaddix. do i have a second? >> second. >> okay. is there any public comment on the minutes? >> then all commissioners are in favor. >> any opposed? okay. thank you. the minutes are approved. >> let me next have item >> let me next have item special meetings to hear abatement appeals board (aab) appeals. >> president chavez. >> great um, i mentioned at the last commission meetings have the backlog of cases. um, in order to get through them we have to have a special additional meeting in order to get through the cases especially, as it takes an honor hour do got through one at that time we'll get back to be how an

potential date but have an additional case meeting in 2025. >> thank you, commissioners. any comments on that? >> a my only request start after the budget we don't pile up too much of the month. >> sure no problem. >> okay. thank you. >> no, not comments any public comment on this item? >> next administer the oath all parties giving testimony today right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth? >> thank you. >> you may be seated. >> on item

>> on item >> on item 2119 22nd street requested by appellant: appellant appeals the october 4, 2022 order of abatement and assessment of costs. appellant appeals the court order of abatement and assessment of the costs and for the everyone notice the department will present its case first and then they have 7 minutes and the appellant will present 7 minutes and have public comment for three minutes per each speaker and both parties will have rebuttal. >> and the department please come forward. >> hello. >> good morning and board of commissioners inspector my name is joe and the building

inspector and i'm here for a aab case presentation on today's agenda and following with the ab case no. 6941 the property address 2119 22nd street lot number 4158 lot 2064 and complaint # 201866432. the subject property off a two-story roof building in the construction for a single-family residential occupancy at the area identified as a smoke protection by dbi and the property owner didn't get a permit to adjust the repair of deteriorated foundation on the

left side of property line and the inspector reviewed that construction and performed was significantly different from the permit the summary for authorized new with the, etc. vacation with the soil including the construction of the retaining wall foundation that deedee deteriorated they have storm work three years ago and the - last to code enforcement we found the letter was

temporarily supporting the building and it is outstanding for excavation and the retaining wall foundation. can you remember the owner is pursuing a permit to have a brand new 3 story building one within the subject lot the current - to support the existing building the owner filed too two applications and waiting for approval of the recommendation to uphold the order of abatement including the estimate of the costs and dbi officer and i do have some proposals to share.

>> okay. >> this is the of the foundation. >> the upper actual is the level in the middle of the street level and the further one is the basement and authorized excavation. so - >> this photo shows an authorized reflecting foundation at the rear portion of the building is also in the area where the unauthorization basement this photo shows some supporting the owner performed that more recently. koufgz

(coughing) this photo captured in the rear yard i'm sorry the deteriorated it has been removed and also the condition of the building is shown. >> that's it for now. thank you. >> thank you. >> the public may come forward. >> good afternoon. >> speak into the mitch myself i bought the building about three years ago it was not leased and the violations on the

building i'm actually trying to correct them we've get rid of most of violations we are looking for a new building through the city right now and we can't really correct until we know yurng i don't know what else to say i it's pretty much it. >> any questions for me i mean in that something that seen all the time and i yeah i don't know what else to say. >> thank you. >> and- >> (multiple voices). >> if any other questions. >> all right. >> is there public comment on this item? >> none online rebuttal time the department has rebuttal?

>> we recognized there are 11 owners like two years ago the violation is will be inherent to the current owner they're responsible to take up the violation. >> thank you the appellant have any rebuttal? >> i have no problems with fixing the violations but can't do it until i get my permit for the new building. i mean, i fixed whatever violations i could and the rest when we get the permit from the city that's - that's the progress we're trying to go through right now. okay. >> so - >> thank you. >> can the board deliberation?

>> purchasing a property with the violations makes them go away didn't. >> i understand where things are and i don't want to do additional work before, you know, if you're going to basically clear and do a new building you bought knowing were violations and so - um, i don't as far as i see no reason that will be wouldn't be upheld. >> and ask the department if they have a recommendation? what's the departments recommendation. >> the department recommended to uphold the order of

abatement. >> no. >> commissioner shaddix. >> sorry. >> not sure who my question is going to i'm stuck on this perhaps you can answer they bought the building existing l.b. on it he's trying to correct gotten to the point the final can't correct. because he wants to demolish the building or rebuild the building or are we all stuck here is she going to have to fix an nov so i can cord does he have to go back and turn around and demolish so we

can move forward i like to pout there are here and everyone is here find a work to, yes and move forward i appreciate you coming downtown and all the park that is appreciated but i'm stuck on that what is he supposed to do? >> just in general. so there is the previous owners beyond the scope the permits that is generated the violation. he is correct could have gone down the path but will demolish the building and rebuild. we go obviously want to make them dot repairs on the building. >> we're at a stage i can apply for a demolition permit not guarantee that will be approved by the planning

department. i would like you and safe the building there. he did buy and purchased the property knowing the violations were there i'll say just maybe for fairness if you want to put this in advance for two or three weeks and see about the demolition permit if it gets approved and will lo lose the building. >> the officers placed this for abatement and see if you want to comply. >> vice president neumann. >> the violations don't go away was no owner i buy it with the liability um.

>> just for a second. >> if i ask i a question then, yes but can. >> (multiple voices.) >> so you buy an understanding you're roundabout to clear the violations been three years i'd like to understand when the primths went in so if you can let me know with the permits went in and whatever you had a vision. >> i had a lot of violations didn't turn out the way we wanted to i have no problem fbi's the violations i knew that was violations and because of violations the last one i can't do that because if i take and rip out the foundation i don't know what i can put on it the scope of the building will tell

me about the foundation that was going in the new foundation if you understand what i'm saying. >> (multiple voices.) >> i have no problem with fixing the violations i can't do that with the building in place. it is too dangerous and it is not feasible. >> do you have architectural plans to the approval process do you have a design foundation at the point will go to planning how far along are you in the process because the building still presents a risk in the current state. >> that's why we did the construction two years ago with the upgrade if you look at the department and if you look at the dbi will tell you where we are and right now there's, you know, we're just waiting for the

the process to move on. >> question for the department. as is without the building being occupied there, there imminent safety risks? >> okay. >> i think they have a lot of adjustment they have (unintelligible) the face to face and we can request is owner to have entered an assessment if there are any um, monitoring to if they're safe or we are. okay. to wait but, however, i will kind align to see if they're able to demo that building that is unsafe structure if they're able to

demo then the safe conditions will be abated. >> where's the permit in the process? >> yeah. so pending for approval they filed it. >> i don't have to have the date but i'll. >> (multiple voices). >> how long did that typically take to get approval. >> we can answer this question. >> that is polk the city planning for the demo of the building to. >> to answer your question july of 2022. >> okay. >> and on the question of whether or not that is unoccupied at present health and safety risk? >> um, depends on how solid or how the bracing but temporary post structure may not be constitutional the major

earthquake we don't know in the major earthquake come the calendar material maybe initially (unintelligible). >> and this subject lot is within the scope of the protection act within the san francisco. >> the reality not be able not able to be abated before any quicker than getting to a demolition permit. >> and that's my opinion assessment as someone who (unintelligible). >> yeah. last week, i visited the city the building is unoccupied. okay. >> there are a temporary shoring in place that was permitted and it is secured to

answer your question. >> but can't stay there forever. >> that's the condition. >> commissioner alexander-tut. >> i'm trying to understand the logic and the new owner booze a building will have to have two permits one for dog and one for repairs that didn't make sense to me, you i understand exactly the remedia uphold this then we're basically saying you attempt to remediate is only as efficient because you - i

also don't think this goes away i don't think anyone is asking for the violation to go away. so um, i'm interested in putting this into abeyance and continue for the safety reasons i think i'm seeing in - so hopefully that is a agreeable to the petitioner and wait the allowable time to visit about? >> sorry give me one second. >> um, sounds like you've done a lot of work you committed to do. i don't know what the question is at that time but you done a lot of work and to

address the notice of violations except for this one and submitted for a permit to a demolition but it takes time [off mic.] >> you know, it is on ongoing. >> absolutely, yes. [off mic.] wish that went faster. >> i can. >> for safety for my safety and my workers and contractors safety. >> i hear i do. this is the status permit is in place right now that is what he said? and been in planning since 2022? >> july of 2022 is when it was first day filed. >> no, i mean we have no, like jurisdiction over planning but with our relationship with planning to check in and ask

them to move a demo over, too years. >> the demolition resident sky unit is a longer process i don't want to comment on planning it it takes time. >> all right. i'll say i'm in line with commissioner alexander-tut it makes sense to take more time before we uphold this is obviously a risk and sounds like you're moving on on the ethics commission and didn't feel fair i'm saying to um, moving forward on addressing that. >> i'll make one comment built owner there was. >> second order of abatement that was supposed to be heard

today and i would say the owner is um, using the best effort to get if demolition permit issued and do we have an answer. >> just to answer the question any ab decision that modifies the order of abatement didn't have an imminent hazard and provides to repair such violations within 60 days with a reasonable time up to 18 months. >> okay. >> commissioner meng my question when the owner which was the last time you were in communications with the planning department? >> last week. >> if you can come up to the

mic speak into mic. >> pretty much everyone week sent out an e-mail maybe changes with the administration i don't know but like to hear from them too all right. >> they haven't given you an indication when it might be approved. >> no, no, no i wish. >> thank you. >> to the deputy city attorney can a talk about has to be done in 60 days. >> sorry start with the - can question instead table this to a later meeting. >> just. >> (multiple voices.) >> and 18 ones. >> what's the - i thought. >> (multiple voices.) >> so the work to repair or rectify the violations the. >> the construction work or

whatever the violation underlying. >> sounds like he's started. >> okay. and so it just requires that if in the event that work has not started to correct the violations that work needs to start within 60 days. um, and because needed within the reasonable time is 18 months. >> so i guess by work can - does working on towards permit count towards work on to the extent. >> i don't know. um. >> okay. >> i think that is not clear. >> no additional guidance from the building code. >> then i'd like to make a motion we put in in abeyance for

the work towards resolution and with the extension up to 18 months. >> will be what's the language quote it - so the idea to hold - this is if you want to modify i suppose a modification for the order of abatement. >> because i'm thinking either maybe abeyance or table to a later meeting. >> it is allowed would that amenable to return and we can see where this is in three or four months and bring that back if necessary?

>> if that's allowed. >> you could continue to another time so instead of making a decision whether to uphold or modify or reverse the order table it for another time in 2 to three months or whatever you decide to. >> and hear it again and that during that time you don't need to rehear all the presentation and would get a um, either a status update and from either party and then decide by a motion during that time. >> can we move it - table it and give the discretion.

>> that's my motion. >> second. >> so can we um. okay. so the motion is to continue this matter to a later time to be determined by the with recommendations of the department and through the chair. >> correct. >> i'd like to make a friendly addition and that is, we also include ongoing monitoring of the site which you have mentioned earlier i think that important include here. >> for the mode indication for the monthly report. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> there's a motion by commissioner alexander-tut with the friendly amendment by. do i

have a second? >> second. >> okay. i don't see any we have a motion and a second. public comment on this motion. >>. okay. seeing none, roll call vote. >> president chavez, yes. >> vice president neumann, yes. >> commissioner alexander-tut, yes. >> commissioner meng eyes and commissioner shaddix that motion carries unanimously. >> good luck. >> and next item e any general public comment for items not on the agenda seeing none, item f adjournment motion to adjourn. >> so moved. >> do i hear a second? and second. >> all commissioners in favor

and we're adjourned it is 10:11 a.m. and we'll be reconvened as the building inspection commission at 10:30 a.m. thank you. [meeting adjourned].

dev mission's goal is aiming to train young adults, youth so we can be a wealth and disparity in underserved communities like where we are today. my name is leo sosa. i'm the founder and executive director for devmission. we're sitting inside a computer lab where residents come and get support when they give help about how to set up an e-mail account. how to order prescriptions online. create a résumé. we are also now paying

attention to provide tech support. we have collaborated with the san francisco mayor's office and the department of technology to implement a broad band network for the residents here so they can have free internet access. we have partnered with community technology networks to provide computer classes to the seniors and the residents. so this computer lab becomes a hub for the community to learn how to use technology, but that's the parents and the adults. we have been able to identify what we call a stem date. the acronym is science technology engineering and math. kids should be exposed no matter what type of background or ethnicity or income status. that's where we actually create magic. >> something that the kids are really excited about is science and so the way that we execute that is through making slime. and as fun as it is, it's still

a chemical reaction and you start to understand that with the materials that you need to make the slime. >> they love adding their little twists to everything. it's just a place for them to experiment and that's really what we want. >> i see. >> really what the excitement behind that is that you're making something. >> logs, legos, sumo box, art, drawing, computers, mine craft, and really it's just awaking opportunity. >> keeping their attention is like one of the biggest challenges that we do have because, you know, they're kids. they always want to be doing something, be helping with something. so we just let them be themselves. we have our set of rules in place that we have that we want them to follow and live up to. and we also have our set of expectations that we want them to achieve. this is like my first year officially working with kids. and definitely i've had moments

where they're not getting something. they don't really understand it and you're trying to just talk to them in a way that they can make it work teaching them in different ways how they can get the light bulb to go off and i've seen it first-hand and it makes me so happy when it does go off because it's like, wow, i helped them understand this concept. >> i love playing games and i love having fun with my friends playing dodge ball and a lot of things that i like. it's really cool. >> they don't give you a lot of cheese to put on there, do they? you've got like a little bit left. >> we learn programming to make them work. we do computers and

programming. at the bottom here, we talk to them and we press these buttons to make it go. and this is to turn it off. and this is to make it control on its own. if you press this twice, it can do any type of tricks. like you can move it like this and it moves. it actually can go like this. >> like, wow, they're just absorbing everything. so it definitely is a wholehearted moment that i love experiencing. >> the realities right now, 5.3 latinos working in tech and about 6.7 african americans working in tech. and, of course, those tech

companies are funders. so i continue to work really hard with them to close that gap and work with the san francisco unified school district so juniors and seniors come to our program, so kids come to our stem hub and be exposed to all those things. it's a big challenge. >> we have a couple of other providers here on site, but we've all just been trying to work together and let the kids move around from each department. some kids are comfortable with their admission, but if they want to jump in with city of dreams or hunter's point, we just try to collaborate to provide the best opportunity in the community. >> devmission has provided services on westbrook. they teach you how to code. how to build their own mini robot to providing access for the youth to partnerships with adobe and sony and google and

twitter. and so devmission has definitely brought access for our families to resources that our residents may or may not have been able to access in the past. >> the san francisco house and development corporation gave us the grant to implement this program. it hasn't been easy, but we have been able to see now some of the success stories of some of those kids that have been able to take the opportunity and continue to grow within their education and eventually become a very successful citizen. >> so the computer lab, they're doing the backpacks. i don't know if you're going to be able to do the class. you still want to try? . yeah. go for it. >> we have a young man by the name of ivan mello. he came here two and a half years ago to be part of our

digital arts music lab. graduating with natural, fruity loops, rhymes. all of our music lyrics are clean. he came as an intern, and now he's running the program. that just tells you, we are only creating opportunities and there's a young man by the name of eduardo ramirez. he tells the barber, what's that flyer? and he says it's a program that teaches you computers and art. and i still remember the day he walked in there with a baseball cap, full of tattoos. nice clean hair cut. i want to learn how to use computers. graduated from the program and he wanted to work in i.t.. well, eduardo is a dreamer. right. so trying to find him a job in the tech industry was very challenging, but that didn't

stop him. through the effort of the office of economic work force and the grant i reached out to a few folks i know. post mates decided to bring him on board regardless of his legal status. he ended his internship at post mates and now is at hudacity. that is the power of what technology does for young people that want to become part of the tech industry. what we've been doing, it's very innovative. helping kids k-12, transitional age youth, families, parents, communities, understand and to be exposed to stem subjects. imagine if that mission one day can be in every affordable housing community. the opportunities that we would create and that's what i'm trying to do with this

aculous way. i'm living proof that treatment works. >> every day i use was a form of suicide. i just didn't die. the methadone program saved my life. i love my life. my recovery is the best thing that ever happened to me. if you want your life back, methadone works. you are to let it work. i'm living proof. we spoke with people regardless of what they are. that is when you see change. that is a lead advantage. so law enforcement assistance diversion to work

with individuals with nonviolent related offenses to offer an alternative to an arrest and the county jail. >> we are seeing reduction in drug-related crimes in the pilot area. >> they have done the program for quite a while. they are successful in reducing the going to the county jail. >> this was a state grant that we applied for. the department is the main administrator. it requires we work with multiple agencies. we have a community that includes the da, rapid transit police and san francisco sheriff's department and law enforcement agencies, public defender's office and adult probation to work together to look at the population that ends

up in criminal justice and how they will not end up in jail. >> having partners in the nonprofit world and the public defender are critical to the success. we are beginning to succeed because we have that cooperation. >> agencies with very little connection are brought together at the same table. >> collaboration is good for the department. it gets us all working in the same direction. these are complex issues we are dealing with. >> when you have systems as complicated as police and health and proation and jails and nonprofits it requires people to come to work together so everybody has to put their egos at the door. we have done it very, very well. >> the model of care where

police, district attorney, public defenders are community-based organizations are all involved to worked towards the common goal. nobody wants to see drug users in jail. they want them to get the correct treatment they need. >> we are piloting lead in san francisco. close to civic center along market street, union plaza, powell street and in the mission, 16th and mission. >> our goal in san francisco and in seattle is to work with individuals who are cycling in and out of criminal justice and are falling through the cracks and using this as intervention to address that population and the racial disparity we see. we want to focus on the mission

in tender loan district. >> it goes to the partners that hired case managers to deal directly with the clients. case managers with referrals from the police or city agencies connect with the person to determine what their needs are and how we can best meet those needs. >> i have nobody, no friends, no resources, i am flat-out on my own. i witnessed women getting beat, men getting beat. transgenders getting beat up. i saw people shot, stabbed. >> these are people that have had many visits to the county jail in san francisco or other institutions. we are trying to connect them with the resources they need in the community to break out of that cycle. >> all of the referrals are

coming from the law enforcement agency. >> officers observe an offense. say you are using. it is found out you are in possession of drugs, that constituted a lead eligible defense. >> the officer would talk to the individual about participating in the program instead of being booked into the county jail. >> are you ever heard of the leads program. >> yes. >> are you part of the leads program? do you have a case worker? >> yes, i have a case manager. >> when they have a contact with a possible lead referral, they give us a call. ideally we can meet them at the scene where the ticket is being issued. >> primarily what you are talking to are people under the influence of drugs but they will all be nonviolent. if they were violent they wouldn't qualify for lead. >> you think i am going to get

arrested or maybe i will go to jail for something i just did because of the substance abuse issues i am dealing with. >> they would contact with the outreach worker. >> then glide shows up, you are not going to jail. we can take you. let's meet you where you are without telling you exactly what that is going to look like, let us help you and help you help yourself. >> bring them to the community assessment and services center run by adult probation to have assessment with the department of public health staff to assess the treatment needs. it provides meals, groups, there are things happening that make it an open space they can access. they go through detailed assessment about their needs and how we can meet those needs.

>> someone who would have entered the jail system or would have been arrested and book order the charge is diverted to social services. then from there instead of them going through that system, which hasn't shown itself to be an effective way to deal with people suffering from suable stance abuse issues they can be connected with case management. they can offer services based on their needs as individuals. >> one of the key things is our approach is client centered. hall reduction is based around helping the client and meeting them where they are at in terms of what steps are you ready to take? >> we are not asking individuals to do anything specific at any point in time. it is a program based on whatever it takes and wherever it takes. we are going to them and working with them where they feel most comfortable in the community.

>> it opens doors and they get access they wouldn't have had otherwise. >> supports them on their goals. we are not assigning goals working to come up with a plan what success looks like to them. >> because i have been in the field a lot i can offer different choices and let them decide which one they want to go down and help them on that path. >> it is all on you. we are here to guide you. we are not trying to force you to do what you want to do or change your mind. it is you telling us how you want us to help you. >> it means a lot to the clients to know there is someone creative in the way we can assist them. >> they pick up the phone. it was a blessing to have them when i was on the streets. no matter what situation, what pay phone, cell phone, somebody else's phone by calling them they always answered.

>> in office-based setting somebody at the reception desk and the clinician will not work for this population of drug users on the street. this has been helpful to see the outcome. >> we will pick you up, take you to the appointment, get you food on the way and make sure your needs are taken care of so you are not out in the cold. >> first to push me so i will not be afraid to ask for help with the lead team. >> can we get you to use less and less so you can function and have a normal life, job, place to stay, be a functioning part of the community. it is all part of the home reduction model. you are using less and you are allowed to be a viable member of the society. this is an important question

where lead will go from here. looking at the data so far and seeing the successes and we can build on that and as the department based on that where the investments need to go. >> if it is for five months. >> hopefully as final we will come up with a model that may help with all of the communities in the california. >> i want to go back to school to start my ged and go to community clean. >> it can be somebody scaled out. that is the hope anyway. >> is a huge need in the city. depending on the need and the data we are getting we can definitely see an expansion. >> we all hope, obviously, the program is successful and we can implement it city wide. i think it will save the county millions of dollars in emergency services, police services, prosecuting services.

more importantly, it will save lives.

>> we have been without a major seismic event for over 20 years now. will happen at a moment's notice [♪♪♪] >> today we are practising the activation of our department emergency operations center. >> this is really an exercise for us to train, and we are using fleet week and the entire -- the italian heritage festival as the exercise. we have four different sections that are working today. there is operations, and operations basically is our contact with people out in the fields. they are finding out how things are going, and if there are problems, they are letting us know and we can identify through

our action plan what what resources are needed and dispatch those resources. they will fill out reports and then the report gets to planning you will identify if additional resources need to be happening over a long-term timeframe and then they will provide for that by talking with our logistics staff. the logistic staff logistics staff is the one that will order labor, materials, they will do that, first of all, looking within our own organization, then if we don't have that within our own organization, they will contact the p.o.c. and then they will look at getting resources to us. and then last but importantly as our finance staff. and they are here to make sure that we first of all fill out all the paperwork so in an actual event, when the federal government will be reimbursing s., then we are following the proper protocol, and they are also making sure the money is there in place. >> today in the field we have the environmental service is

following the parade, and doing the final cleanup of the parade. and an emergency situation, they would likely be doing something similar to this, only with debris. also in the field is the inspectors from the mapping. they are doing some live streaming. >> there is an intersection of beach making sure that everything is safe for our public, our visitors, and everyone participating in the event. >> there will be so many different departments working during a seismic event or any other kind of emergency. they will all have a separate action plan, and we are here making sure that for public works the action plan for that emergency event is actually followed through. >> engineers will likely be doing damage assessment of roads , bridges, overhead passes, architects and engineers as well

would be doing damage assessment of facilities and buildings. building repair it would probably be doing some immediate repairs to make facilities operational, especially things like shelters, street and sewer repair, as the urban forestry crew also has big equipment that can help clear the roadways. [♪♪♪] >> we have been without a major seismic event for over 20 years now, so it is important that we are ready, we know the roles that we need to play, and we are able to act quickly because it will happen at a moment's notice so that is one of the reasons why we do this, and again, the more comfortable we feel in our roles, then the better we can respond quickly to emergencies. >> for an emergency planning communication is very important, and so i can't stress enough the importance of figuring out a communication plan for your

family, and for the department. that is why we are practising today how we communicate and interact with each other, how we share information, and how we use that information, and then for the city as a whole, so that the city as a halt knows what is going on as well.