my question relates to the possibility of budgets in the city's future and the possibility of that and we are a very, very small drop in the bucket when it come to the city budget. how in the past has the department handled it when there have been mandates for budget cutting? >> general low they apply a lot of types to the general fund departments like mayor breed former mayor breed mandated a 15% cut. but we are so small and we are self supporting that is the good news. out of all the city departments in fiscal year 25 we had the smallest budget in the entire city. i feel like we are efficient. we only have three full-time employee alec, myself and mara and they do a great job. so, i don't know how much leaner we can get.

because if we had only two employees machine gets sick we can't have one we are operating with a skeleton crew in an efficient manner. most costs come from labor. 66% of our budget. and -- after that, the services of other departments. we pay significant amount in rent that will not change we can't change that we pay a significant aim to technology for sfgovtv services and you know. so, well is in the much we can control in terms of our costs we don't have a lot of, you know , discretion. on some of them. >> thank you for this. >> commissioner swig. >> thanks for raising the issue of a litigation. that's an example of how you

know that surplus did go, way in a new york minute. so, it is not i don't think we can build a budget or hole a surplus based on business as usual. and or we would have a zero surplus or veryingly we should have that reserve at all times we never know when member is going to create a situation like a litigation that would 150 thousand is a drop in the bucket. as my lawyer partners know here on the panel. so, i wanted point that out that it is not should not be based on business as usual. look at what happens when business goes unusual. >> thank you. >> do we. move to public comment y. we will move to public comment. i see nobody in the room is

there anybody on zoom? okay. there is no public comment. we would need a motion >> i will move to adopt the budget for fiscal 25, 26 and 20. >> okay on that motion commissioner lopez. >> aye >> vice president eppler >> aye >> commissioner wig. >> aye >> that motion carries the budget is adopted >> thank you. >> no further business before the board, the meeting is adjourned. >> thank you.

. so it's yeah, we'll see. it's going to get worse before it gets back to me. >> called meaning to please. >> thank you chair tung good morning and welcome to the february 10th, 2025 citizens general obligation bond oversight committee meeting. the time is 9:33 a.m. and we will begin with roll call vice chair crawford. >> member fox president member larkin present member matthews

present member pentaho present chair tung tong president thank you. >> we have a quorum. >> excellent shall we do the national thank you. >> we acknowledge that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the rama to charlotte. who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions the rama to challenge you have never have never ceded loss nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory as guests we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders and relatives of the dramatic community and by confer excuse me and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. >> excellent. thank you.

>> and for our next item would like to welcome formally welcome will fox to our committee. >> this is his first meeting officially as a committee member. i know he's had an opportunity to meet some of us so thank you all for volunteering and making your time available to this important task for these geo bond programs. would you like to to say anything or introduce yourself to the public? >> i'm yeah, i'm serving in the civil grand jury seat and i'm happy to be here kind of bring aspects of transparency and oversight you know are very much of interest to me. my background is in hospitality and in sales so it's kind of interesting to dive a little bit more into some of these issues facing our cities, you know, and really the full scale of these bond measures, you know, really encompass everything for city government. so happy to be here and put my work in for this committee. thank you. okay. i don't number two thank you.

item number two general public comment. members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now. >> each person will have three minutes to speak. >> for the record there are no in-person public comments. >> this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> item number three please. item number three approval with possible modification of the meeting minutes from october 28th 2020 for any discussion or corrections to the meeting minutes on the motion to accept second, so do we have a motion from member mathews and a second from amber? >> we we do have a second date i'm sorry. number one number like i thank you. there a need for public comment? >> there's a bullet for it here. members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now.

each person will have three minutes to speak. for the record there are no in-person public comments. this concludes a public section public comment section for this agenda item. >> and then let's take the vote please. vice chair crawford i remember fox. >> i remember larkin. i remember matthews. >> i remember pentaho. i chair tom. >> i thank you. the motion passes item number four please. >> item number four presentation on the 2016 public health and safety open programs in time child and sorry boys today for their cuda. >> thank you chip this hi good

morning chair tongue morning vice chair crawford members of this committee my name is joe chen public works program manager for the 2016 public health and safety bond program futures for short i'm here this morning to give single back an annual update on the 2016 futures program. >> before i start with the formal presentation, i'd like to acknowledge and thank members of the public works project management team as well as the client department representatives are present in this room today in support of the futures program and help answer any specific questions that i may not be able to answer today in the room i was looking earlier to see who's here. i do see and i see representatives of from different public health fields . yeah, but regardless thank you for those that are here today my last formal presentation to see go back was december of 2023.

this first slide is a quick reminder of the bond allocation for the 2016 futures program. this bond program was approved for a total bond authorization amount of 300 50 million. the total bond authorization amount for purchase is currently showing as 364 million because it includes approximately $14 million of punches earnings that have been appropriated as of this fiscal year. of the 350,000,272 has been allocated to three components which include the csf building five southeast health center and the community health centers. 58 million has been allocated to two san francisco fire components which are the ambulance two point facility and a neighborhood fire station. 20 million has been allocated to the department homelessness and support housing for the homeless service site component this next slide provides an executive summary of the program accomplishments this past year of milestones status,

the bond sales and appropriation and there any risks issues or concern on budget schedule or schedule. this year marks the beginning of the ninth year after the passing of the purchase program as of 2023 the core projects under three of the six components have been completed and currently in the closeout phase. these three components include the community health center southeast health center and the ambulance deployment facility under the usg building five component we have seven projects are in active construction with a target to complete by early 2026. there's one smaller project that's clearly in the building phase and one project where construction type was issued earlier this year. the clinical laboratory project is also targeting to reach substantial by march of 2025. the key takeaway is that six of the seven projects is targeting to be completed by the end of this year or early 2026 and the new fire station component the emergency generator projects are all in construction with the last host our project

afforestation 15 to start bidding by first quarter of 2025 on the homeless services component both 2001 polk street 525 history or any construction with 1001 post to be completed within the next six months regarding bond sales and appropriation for the program the main update is that approximately $14 million upon interest earnings have been successfully appropriated for use by the respective projects. however $2.8 million of the 14 have been placed on controls reserve pending the resolution of potential albatross liabilities. the albatross review will be completed by the end of this fiscal year. there has been no significant changes to the risk in our challenges that we have been tracking since the onset of the program. the current budget for this year's ag building five component is 216.3 million which has been increased since the last report due to appropriation of the bond interest earnings expenditures

and encumbrances combined is approximately 204.3 million with approximately the remaining balance of 10.2 to the clinical laboratory track revision project. this is 97% complete and within a few months of achieving substantial completion the rehabilitation depart relocation phase three is 83% complete with 33c restroom finishing first and the rest of the projects be completed by early second quarter 2025. the dialysis relocation is 85% complete with a focus on finishing all final finishes and starting up of dialysis equipment safety upgrade scenario percent complete with the continuation of various discrete seismic scopes throughout the building scopes include saw cutting of relief joints column enlargement fiber reinforcement polymer insulation for pe for short steel plate installation and the news 24 inch seismic joint specifically 124 the 2011

locations are now completed with 40 locations in progress by the late summer of 2025 we are expecting to complete the seismic joint construction through the roof level and will start working away downward from the roof level back to the third floor with sakkari and demolition of the existing building structure to create a new seismic joint public health lab is 60% complete with the completion of all underground plumbing excavation and backfill framing and overhead mep installation is ongoing. >> our infrastructure is 20% complete with restroom showers typically by march of 2025 the rest of the project goes which includes majority of the water piping has also started with the completion of trade package bidding and negotiation to the completion of this project however, is constrained by the progress of the public health lab project because the new chilled water piping will be utilizing the utility chased as

billed through the public health lab project psychiatric emergency services is 5% complete as it represents one of the latest projects to start construction in tpi was issued last year in may of 2020 for the family health center phase one is the most recent project to be issued construction in tpi earlier this year because of deviations ability to leverage as of duty foundation care funding this project was able to resume and proceed in the construction of the phased approach to match with availability of funding the southeast health center has been open to patients since july of 2022. the team is currently focusing on wrapping up one last owner request a change order which would then allow the project to issue final completion by third quarter of 2025. the community health center component tracks two comprehensive community health center projects that include both seismic retrofit and interior renovation scopes. there are the maxine hall health center in district five

and castro mission health center located in district eight, maxine hall was open to patients or has been ocean patients since october 2021. castro mission has been open to patients since august 2022. the team is also anticipating the completion of one final warranty punchers item which also then alled this project to be to be closed out. the ambulance deployment facility has been used since may of 2021 with final completion issued in february 2023. the neighborhood fire station component consists of the host hog removal at six fire stations fire station six 1112, 15, 21 and 38 to indicate the seismic risk associated with them emergency generators mercy general replacement three fire station three fire stations they include fire station 1837 and 44 both emergency generator phase one projects afforestation 3744 and 18 are

currently in construction reforestation 3744 to be completed by the end of march. the final host tower project afforestation 15 is targeting to start building by first quarter of 2025 on the homeless service site component there are two remaining active construction projects 1001 polk street consists of hpc upgrades as well as limited structural repairs 525 history courses a renovation and upgrade of all shower restrooms and showers kitchen replacement and new stores in the dayroom 1001 polk street is currently at 92% complete 525 fifth street received construction cpe in september of 2024. for the past few months the project has been focusing on a multitude of migrating projects and the base scopes to start this month. this final slide is a detail

summary table that shows a regional and revised program budget and expenditures encumbrances for all bond components since the last report i do want to point out that the program budgets by component have been revised. the reasons as i mentioned earlier are due to the $14 million bond interest earnings that have been appropriated to the various bond components of the 14,000,012.4 million will be appropriated to 1.26 million to as a fire and 375,000 to address each. as i mentioned earlier, 2.8 million of the 14 has been placed on controls reserve until the till the reconciliation of any arbitrage liabilities that might be assets. that concludes my presentation for today. my team and i are available to take any questions that you may have. >> thank you. >> yeah joe, good to see you. too long. >> um, i had a question about the soccer board s.f. general

hospital budget. um, remind me what you include in project controls. okay. thank you. member larkin the project controls typically includes almost everything that is non concert related so does not include the construction contract or any of the you know, nuts and bolts or that puts into the the finished product. so in general project controls includes all design cause planning calls, management calls, inspection costs that are kind of support staff to support the construction effort of the project. and the reason part of the reason i'm asking is that on the zuckerberg portion of your report the construction cost was less than project controls.

you know, project controls is more than half and i just it didn't seem to be typical of the others, you know. >> well there was a lot in there and the number reflects that. i didn't see why there would have been this number would have been great and what the construction cost was. >> yeah. um thank you for the question. that's a very astute observation. a lot a lot of those costs for project controls is related to projects running late and a lot of that is kind of related to the a you know, a standard project. let's say was originally programed or the construction duration was say it was for 12 months and due to either design issues unforeseen conditions you know code issues that tends to extend the project duration unfortunately that also also leads to you know additional expenditures from the either from design team or construction manager to support the effort to build the finished the project or you're

getting delay claims from the contractor because of the increased duration. >> um depending on the project we we have resolve some construction claims for example on the rehabilitation department phase one and two we did go through a pretty extensive almost like a almost a 2 or 3 year claim with the contractor. i think earlier last year was when we were able to the city and the county was able to come up with a a settlement that was approved by the board of supervisor just last year. so that did resolve one issue and you include that in the construction cost or the that come on the project controls the the actual settlement with the contractor in terms of construction will be tracked under his construction budget. the soft costs in terms of supporting the effort for the litigation is part of project controls. you say litigation did it go to

court? >> no sorry. in terms of the i think we went through mediation so feel free litigation. affirmative dispute. yes. oh, big fan. correct. all right. so that that answers my questions. i'm sorry to put you on the spot over. >> okay. any other questions from the committee? i have a question more about process on slide number eight. you talked about the warranty process. >> i think for one of the was it one of the public health clinics or one of the community health clinics was casa mission health center? >> yeah. yes. so can you just talk about that? i was a word that was relatively new to me warranty i think that's going through the punch list. is that correct that comes before close out or is that part of the close out process? >> this is a situation where for cash machine we also had some owner recourse to change orders that we also just finish up last year and the same time

there was also a very like 1 or 2 i call it warranty as items typically purchase items can be completed after substantial because the difference substantial is that the the facility itself can be used for is for design intent. so in this case the you know as you can tell from the day the clinic was already it was being utilized in 22. so for a period you know there was other change orders that did not impact the usage of the building. he went in from cash remission . we had to do some waterproofing for the facade so we wanted to just take care of all that. and same time there was also a warranty of punches. i know that was never finished so we wanted to have his capture all that work, get it done so we can then officially close out the project and then have to track something off the books. >> got it. okay. thank you. >> any further committee questions or comments on i was

curious just generally speaking ,you know for the projects related to this bond measure, do you have any quantification for asset renewal versus new construction or is everything just kind of lumped in project by project? >> um when you refer to asset renewal, can you help me define what that i guess kind of taking care deferred maintenance and general upkeep for existing facilities for for a job on funding we we typically focus on capital actual major capital improvements. it is a maintenance type item that will be taken care of by a different funding source and that is typically done by the client department using their maintenance or operational budget. so we try to keep the scope separate in terms of maintenance versus capital improvements. >> yeah. thank you. okay. i think that's all the

committee discussion for this item public comment you members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now each person will have three minutes to speak the next year. >> joe for the record there are no in-person public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> thank you. item number five please. item number five liaison report on the 2012 queen and safe neighborhood parks gabon programs that's me. so on the jawbone excuse me the bonds part programs. unfortunately you have time to meet with the park department for that report so i'll have something for our next meeting . just any any and should we reschedule this item to our next?

we can do that given that's on the agenda. sure. okay, sure. then let's yeah, let's go ahead and take comment now and then we can reschedule this item for our next meeting. >> okay we'll do. thank you. members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now each person will have three minutes to speak for the record there are no in-person public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item let's go to item number six then please item number six liaison report on the 2018 embarcadero seawall earthquake safety go bond programs. all right. thank you. so as the liaison for this this bond, i was able to have some time to meet with our support mr. cologne and myself,

opportunity to tour the embarcadero and view and view many of the ready projects that the port has lined up ultimately is about $170 million in early projects. these are needed and we'll work with the overall future of the major project of the seawall resilience and safety for example the expansion of so one of these small projects is actually not a very small project but it's the expansion of an earthquake seismic joint in a in a building that actually at the exploratorium. so this is something that is lined up to be worked on and then also the building next to that does not have a seismic expansion joint and for those who may not know what that sounds like, what it means basically allows the building to move to different ways in an earthquake so that it doesn't crumble apart actually is able to withstand an earthquake. so there's a building that needs one that doesn't have it and so basically you're cutting

the building in half cross section adding this expansion and also allows for the water you know, and some of the sea rise. >> so these design early projects will use the use our bond funds and assist in the ports. so in order for the port to gain leverage or to gain some of the federal all the federal funding they have to put forward a certain amount of money. so these projects will hopefully work towards that funding. i believe it's 30% 35% thanks for this 35% local funded and then the fed will cover the rest is the idea and so for far seven and the seven and a half miles of embarcadero see to shore up i guess if you put it simply short but ultimately our seawall resilience that's a lot of billions of dollars. so the 170 million is going to chip away at that 35% on these early projects.

so the army corps engineer actually approved the planning design for our resilience plan but there's still some more time and work for a final approval and approval for congress. >> so hopefully in that time these smaller projects are going to be useful for what we need now but work towards that greater project. so the port has got a lot on their their plate to make this happen as we all know if ever if anyone's been down there you can see the water you know comes up higher than it used to. there's some areas that are now no longer accessible because the where people used to stand and look out at the bay is no longer it's underwater. so this is a real thing. the see ultimately if we did walk out to the the walkway kind of just near under the bay bridge and you can look out and see the different levels of buildings.

>> some were built ten, 15 years ago or some of the the piers that are much higher anticipating the sea level rise and see the older ones are eight ten feet below that. so there's definitely a lot of work to be done in our on our coast so so thank you to the port for taking the time to meet with me and show me those things and that's my report. >> thank you. >> any public comment for this report or could you take public comment committee discussion? any comments from the committee ? comments. okay. >> okay. we'll do i have a question about federal funding keeping in mind some of the funding freeze threats that have been coming out of the administration over the past few weeks, has that federal funding been approved and passed by congress yet or is that something that you're anticipating?

no, it hasn't been approved by congress yet. but carlos, if you want to address the specifics, please come back. >> good morning, carlos cologne the waterfront resilience contracts manager. so for the $13.5 billion program that we're working towards with the army corps that has not been approved yet but the draft plan has been approved by the army corps of engineers. the final draft the final plan will be submitted to congress in the summer of 2026. now the funding that's the thing everyone's concerned about, right? so congress will vote on funding after the report's been submitted and approved by congress. >> right now what we're doing is we're working to get an agreement with the army corps. it is called the 20 2021 agreement which will allow us to move forward now and be

eligible for credit towards our 35% in the future. so that's what we're doing now. we're working towards getting these projects in place now because they are needed and then hopefully we'll get the credit later on once congress approves the program. >> but yes, we are very we're all concerned with that. any other committee comments or questions? >> okay. can we take public comment please? q members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now. each person will have three minutes to speak. >> for the record there are no in-person public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> thank you. let's proceed to item number seven. >> item number seven liaison report on the 2010 2014 and 2020 earthquake safety and emergency response. gabon programs.

>> okay. thank you. so i'm presenting my liaison report for the easter programs. the most recent quarterly report for the easter program reporting as of december 2024 is attached to the meeting agenda. i was able to meet with the program managers last month and had a good discussion with them on the status of various easter bond projects and they were very responsive to my questions. the projects generally appear to be progressing on the trajectory discussed during staff's last presentation in august 2024 which is good. the third bond sale under the 2020 authorization was completed last month which provides continued funding for the capital projects under the easter program. >> specifically $41 million for the emergency firefighting water system, 88 million for the fire department division of training and $87 million for the police facilities. my understanding is that the fourth and final bond sale under this bond authorization will take place in about 2 to 3 years. >> during our meeting i asked the program managers about the potential impacts to the easter

capital projects considering the recent los angeles area fires and the competing demand for labor and raw materials required for rebuilding in that area. staff was able to provide an industry report that expects a 4% to 6% increase on project costs going out to bid in the next few months. staff also noted that the lead times for critical pieces of equipment such as transformers, generators and load banks are extending even longer than what they had indicated to us in the past. now in the range of 12 to 14 months for that equipment versus 7 to 10 months as had already been long in the past in terms of the city's ability to mitigate these impacts, staff noted that for projects that are being developed using the construction manager or general contractor or cmc product delivery method, they're able to bid out some of the long lead equipment early to take advantage of current pricing and that's one of the advantages of having a contractor on board early in the process when speaking with other bond programs. please consider discussing this

with them so that these issues and some of these mitigations can be properly socialized across all of the job on programs. >> during our last committee meeting some of my fellow commissioners also noted that the section of the quarterly report under risk issues and concerns on budget scope or schedules did not seem to be changing very much over time. and so i was very pleased to see that for this most recent quarterly report that several of the issues that i discussed with staff at our meeting last month were incorporated into an update in this section including some of these issues around the impacts from the early fires, michigan's concerns about impacts from tariffs under the new federal administration because for projects that do require steel or other raw materials that are being imported we can expect some significant cost escalation if tariffs are going to come into play. so we do have some exposure to this from the prior trump

administration. so we have at least some idea of what impact that could be but something definitely to be cognizant of as we go forward. >> in terms of the concerns that i have or have expressed in the past, i continue to be concerned about the funding gap for the keyser pavilion project since the identified sources are insufficient to complete that project. my expectation at this time at least is that additional bond authorization will likely need to be requested from voters in the future absent any new sources such as philanthropic grants. >> i also continue to ask staff to close the books on older bond programs that have relatively small remaining balances such as the 2010 easter bonds because these programs still require staff time for monitoring and reporting and this is not a particularly efficient use of staff resources. this concludes my liaison report so open to any questions from the committee members. hmm. >> all right, let's proceed to

pop comment. members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now. each person will have three minutes to speak. >> for the record, there are no in-person public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> let's proceed to item number eight please. item number eight liaison report on the 2020 health and recovery group on programs. >> so this will michael and i were in on this. michael did all the talking. >> most of the talking when we were talking to the project leaders we did this on the phone a week ago today. >> and if you're prepared to talk, michael will have the floor will will and sorry least you look like yeah. yeah, so do i. we all do. yeah. >> yeah. so i did kind of just prepare a

general overview, you know, to update as colleagues liaison for this bond measure. so on the 2020 health and recovery bond was authorized by san francisco voters to finance the acquisition and improvement of property around three sectors. so for facilities to house and deliver services for people experiencing mental health challenges, substance abuse disorder and or homelessness for parks, open space and recreation facilities and also streets, curb ramps, street structures and plazas. so having talked to the program managers around this bond we can report that allocated funding from bond issuances for this authorization so far meet the statutory requirements laid out in the bond measure for both the named projects and for general programs around the broad scope that you see for this bond measure. so there has been some cost escalation and projects but you know with the exception of the dpw projects regarding streets and right of ways all programs rely on an additional funding to the bond authorization.

so bond spending remains, you know, within expectation and fair practice of the total bond program authorization of 487.5 million. it was split across rec and park department homelessness and supportive housing. department of public health and dpw. according to the program managers 93% of the bond authorization has been issued with the first issuance in 2021 and then 2023. however, looking at the balance sheet provided by the comptroller's office in the document see go back project summary i see that issuances are listed as 287.3 million which is only 5050 59% of the bond authorization. so i'll look to clarify my understanding of that discrepancy. you know as we will hear from this program later on this year, perhaps in august, a third issuance for this bond is scheduled to be introduced to the board of supervisors in

april of this year. looking across the four sectors authorized by this bonds for rec and park the named parks from the ballot measure or all under construction will be completed by mid-next year and the projects are being delivered within the time frame that has been reported to this committee in the past. the recovery parks so these are projects not listed but approved of can be used for general funding will be entering construction from the design and planning phase in the coming years with projects to be concluded by 2028 for this group of projects are observations for the rec and park portion of this bonds were that some project costs have escalated in the last couple of years compared to updates in the past. specifically the gene friend rec center hers rec center india basin and the japantown peace plaza. these cost escalations were met through other funding and have

not affected the effective spending of bond measures of the bond funds and additionally, you know these escalations were a result of the bidding process kind of right sizing the project, the budgets of the project and there have been some additions to the projects made after the fact based on the availability of additional funds outside of the bond authorization and looking to update on the dpw portion, they have completed almost all of their authorization and projects here so the only things remain they've exceeded the goals for the curb ramp and street resurfacing portions and there's one positive left u.n. plaza as well as one street structure that remain to be completed later this year that should wrap up that portion of the bond and then moving to bph and department of homeless supportive housing. they're proceeding along with construction projects and during this year across a few different areas. so those are proceeding kind of

in line with the expectations of the bond spending as well and they've been able to exceed their goals in adding a supportive housing. so everything kind of proceeding nicely on that. so kind of a continuing with questions that have been asked today we asked the program managers about concerns for any city budgetary constraints as well as obstacles to federal funding with the new political landscape nationally and any impacts from tariffs on construction costs. so they're working to lock in any grant or additional funding before access to funds is lost and moving as quickly as possible to issue contracts for projects where relevant to lock in funding for any potential construction cost escalations. so everything moving along will there is there anything you wanted to add? >> just well a couple of things but just say will you did a good job as your first time out. >> that was a comprehensive report and a tough act to follow but when i spoke to the

presenters monday i asked for a clarification. >> they had two projects listed separately one was peace plaza in japantown and one was buchanan street mall and i figured they were the same but i was thinking in terms of buchanan street mall being north of geary whereas that project is primarily south of geary. >> so my bad i'm educated. they are two separate contracts and should be a the question i had was and will correct me if i'm wrong but they they are working on under the permanent supportive housing portion of the bond they're adding 114 units at 835 turk street and 685 units at pardon me 74

units at 685 ellis which is pretty major contractor scope to the project. >> they have people living in their temporary lee while they upgrade the facility to be permanent rather than temporary and my concern was what are they going to do with the people who are in those two facilities and now when they're ready to be turned over or permanent housing and they the staff said that they did have places lined up. i think a place called the granada which at first they said was 4200 geary but granada is elsewhere. i didn't write down the address anyway. >> they're confident that they can accomplish the transition without more people being out on the street and that is all i have to talk about. okay. any questions from the committee members discussion? it sounds like we do have

several recurring themes through all of our liaison and reports in terms of concerns about cost escalation tariffs, impacts of federal policy. so elephant in the room. yes, definitely. so continuing to be mindful of all these issues and the potential impact the program has and of course as projects do become more expensive, the potential for for lower priority projects to be crowded out and then how do those projects get funded? >> okay. >> let's go to public comment on this item please members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now. each person will have three minutes to speak for the record there are no in-person public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item proceed to item nine please. >> item number nine presentation from the city services auditor on the

whistleblower program liaison report on the whistleblower blower program. >> good morning commissioners. my name is david jensen. i'm the program manager for the whistleblower program. with me today is steven munoz. thank you for the opportunity to present to you again about the operations of the whistleblower program. >> we usually start out with a quick just brief overview of the legislative authority that we've got but is derived from both the city and state law. new probably all old information for you and for the newer members. welcome the the charter in particular sets out items that are within the program's jurisdiction to investigate which is the next slide and that are the allegations of the misuse of city funds, improper activities by city officers and employees also deficiencies in the quality

and delivery of government services and also wasteful and inefficient government practices. >> the charter spells out what we can do. the charter also spells out what's not within our jurisdiction and some things that are not in our jurisdiction that the charter mandates that we refer are asked items that are within another departments federal, state or local authority and jurisdiction to review matters that may be resolved through a grievance mechanism. so anything that a union has negotiated with the city that's outside of our jurisdiction also outside of our jurisdiction are matters that involve violations of criminal law. anything that's also being investigated by another city body is outside of our jurisdiction. and then violations of governmental ethics laws are outside of our jurisdiction to investigate as well and that would include campaign finance violations as well. those belong with the ethics commission.

>> so for the the reports that stay within our jurisdiction, our next slide shows the historical count of reports that we received over the last ten years or so. and so we except for a file a couple of years ago and we've always received an increasing number of reports and it looks as if that will continue this year over last. as of about 15 minutes or so ago now we received 65 reports for q3. so 65 new reports in since january 1st which turns out to be about three new reports every two days that we are triaging and and adjudicating on behalf of the the filers just a little bit more information about the volume that we've seen so far in 2425 over the last two quarters we have received 304 reports so far this year and we've been able to close out 339.

and so on december 31st we had 44 open reports which is significantly down from the number of reports we've had open on previous quarters. >> next slide we detail some of information about how we receive reports by far online is still the most popular option for getting our information. >> one of the policy directors we have received from this body is to see if we can't close out 80% of our reports within 90 days the metric had been increased from 75% so far through fiscal year 2425 we're closing out 91% and our liaison has asked that we reexamine that 80% figure. see if we can't get that up a little higher, we'll take a look at it as we always do. so thank you for that. that cooperation and that suggestion as well of the cases that we have been able to close out we have received a number

of those are closed after an investigation some reports that are within our jurisdiction we are able to to close out some others are completely without of our outside of our jurisdiction. we get reports about federal government employees or state programs that we need to get to a different agency. and so these are some of the reports that we that do not stay in-house. and then on the next slide we've got some information for you about the percentage of investigative reports that result in any sort of corrective or preventative action. corrective action can be employee discipline. corrective action can also be reinforcing the city policies that are in effect or tweaks to city policies to improve them or close up loopholes and so that would be incorporated in the corrective action and historically it's about between 30 and 40%. so over all those years over all the things that were

happening despite the increase in the volume of reports that we were receiving between 30 and 40% come through with some kind of corrective action either personnel or policy related and then on the next slide we've got some information about our initiatives for fiscal year 2425 mentioned the 80% closure rate we're at 90% for the first two quarters. we issue our quarterly public reports on the status of our activities. we're looking for the q2 report to be completed probably within the month or so. so within two weeks, three weeks or so we anticipate having that report made public . we do our annual whistleblower training for all city employees that's done on our peoplesoft education module system that employees have access to 24 hours a day actually we also will be conducting our annual training of our department liaisons. we're looking to set a date this week probably in late april where we get all of the

liaisons we have at the city departments together. if they have the time available to meet with us we go through some of our practices to highlight what we expect from them and our work with them but then also it provides a forum for everybody to get together and get to know each other. if we don't have an answer for somebody in department of building inspection about how department of public health runs a particular program, we know the people in department health that they can ask and so this is an opportunity to get all those city employees together in one place and start making some connections. so we find that's a very valuable thing to do. we also host national webmasters to promote leading fraud hotline practices. the next one that we've got will be april third by a gentleman out of charlotte's in north carolina on the topic will be using artificial intelligence to fight fraud. i think you all should be on that distribution list. if not please let us know and we'll make sure that you get an invite for that.

and then we wanted to give you a quick update. >> last time we were here we were talking about our new case management system that had just been debuted. so we've got about seven months of that under our belt now debuted july 1st and we're already seeing a lot of gains in how we're able to turn around the quarterly reports some of that public tracing information is now automated by the system that we're using. so we're seeing some time gained there but also in the nuance that we're able to report out. so if we have a case that closes out based upon a charter referral to another department but another component we kept and investigated prior we were only able to report out one outcome that got charter reported. now we can talk a little bit more about the work we did and the work that any sort of corrective action that came out of that. so it's a much more dynamic program that we're working on now and only seven months into it we're already beginning to see some of the some of the benefits and we look forward to

sharing more of those with you as we get a couple more months and a couple more quarterly reports under our belt we'll be looking at perhaps pushing this information live on a regular basis. so that's lifetime statistics our case closure rates how long cases are taken where they're getting referred to all of that information that everybody has to wait for four times a year could be updated a little bit more contemporaneously. so looking forward to that as well. that concludes what we've got to present to you today. always looking forward to your questions and talk to you a little bit more about what we're doing for the whistleblower program. thank you. >> thank you. any questions or comments from the committee members? well, about you had a slide which showed like 30 to 40% group reports resulting in

corrective action and or change to the procedure. >> would corrective action ever include prosecution for a criminal action that would need to be referred out? prosecution won't isn't something we do we're not prosecutors but in a criminal action we connect with our law enforcement partners either here within the city da's office, the pd or occasionally we've got contacts with federal law enforcement agencies and so a corrective action could be a prosecution. they take a little bit longer than the 90 days that we're typically given. sure. but that is a potential outcome for corrective action for a whistleblower report that starts with whistleblower who do you get much of that and just an informal answer yes we do and it can come in any number of of ways. there are times when we get very broad allegations that don't have a lot of evidentiary support and then it's on the

the officers who are assigned to that case to work that up. there are other times when stuff comes in very clearly that is criminal in nature and we need to get it to the law enforcement authorities quicker. reports of weapons in the workplace for instance. so we as the initial intake point if it's not ours we get it to where it needs to go and sometimes we get that type of reporting weapon in a workplace somebody who presents a danger to themselves that's not our work but we get it to where it needs to go as quickly as possible. >> all right. thanks. i have a question on thank you so much, dave for this great report. and slide number six, you talked about open reports being down significantly. i think it was open reports that's that. can you talk a little bit more about why i know you mentioned the new case management system but i think you all have made

some changes in or tweaks let's say in your process a bit. >> it's i think the process may be a little bit of it. i think it's it's the people behind the process that's that's driving that more than anything we've had a good period of stability amongst the staff who's working the cases that we get with that experience they are able to move stuff through a little bit quicker. we are steven here has instituted program where every week we've got a list of target closures so we're not waiting toward the end of the month or the end of the quarter to get something closed. we're always close and we're always looking to see okay, what can we get done this week so we don't have to kick it off to next? so i think there's some of the procedure change in procedure improvements that the new case management system has brought. but i think it's the people who are using it that are really driving that the the work and the type of work, the allegation is that we get stays

the same. the volume will go up and go down but the people working it with a little bit more experience know how to handle things and know the right person to call the first time. and so i think that's more than a case management system is is is really behind the the drop that we've seen last quarter well that continues next quarter. i have no idea but we've got a really good bunch of people working this program right now . thank you. >> you know there are committee comments so let's turn to public comment then on this item. >> thank you. members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment, please line up at the podium now. each person will have three minutes to speak for the record there are no in-person public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item let's proceed.

item number ten please. >> item number ten updates from controllers office staff. >> good morning committee members chair tongue vice your crawford mark taylor was the director of audit for the comptroller's office. i'm here to provide you with some updates and items ten a and ten b and i'll have a director of city performance and show me how to join me on the second part in terms of our public integrity reviews, this is something that is ongoing. so as we reported out back in october 2024 since our last meeting we continue to work on our public integrity audits and reviews. we are planning to issue our next public integrity deliverable in the coming weeks and this one is related to city contracts related to duane jones and affiliates which duane jones is a city

contractor criminally charged in august 2023 related to allegations of bribery involving city contracts. so our assessment will be looking at the internal controls surrounding the contracts as well as the status on the various affiliates contracts with the various city departments. we also continue to work on our other audits related to the human rights commission as well as a couple of nonprofit audits that have been implicated on various public integrity matters in recent years. we also have been working with a city attorney's office as part of our public integrity investigations and not very dissimilar from what dave johnson and team just reported out. we do work with the city attorney's office on the various facets of investigation both for whistleblower as well as public integrity for item ten b and this is for the city services auditor and mid-year reports for the csa audit side. we continue to work on our

workplan for the year and so far this fiscal year 2425 we've issued over 20 mandated compliance and performance audits on cac audits. we have also completed a number of i.t cybersecurity penetration testing as well as i t cybersecurity maturity assessments citywide and one of the other kind of extra responsible cities that the csa audits has is leading the citywide disaster cost recovery given the covid 19 pandemic as well as the two more recent winter storms which is helping the city recover from fema and colonias on various costs that we have expended over the years given those two incidents in addition to those, we also are working on a number of issuances in the coming months. we have an audit of payables citywide an audit that is in

compliance in nature related to surveillance technology and as well as in terms of the geo bind expenditure audits. we do have one that's currently ongoing and the 2019 affordable housing job on which we hope to issue a plan to issue in the spring of this year and once we complete that we will then initiate the next one up which is the 2020 health and recovery geo bond program as part of our expenditure audit. with that i will turn it over to natasha mitchell and we'll save some questions afterwards . >> good morning committee members. >> natasha mitchell city performance director since we last met in october we've issued a lot of things that is our busy time of the year to be doing annual reports and whatnot. so in december we issued some legislative mandated for us to develop nonprofit contract monitoring guide policy.

this is doing things to direct departments on what they need to be doing for their nonprofit contracts. this includes having performance metrics and targets in the contracts. it includes reporting on the progress towards meeting those contract. it is including what monitoring practices should be, what a department should be looking for when they are doing monitoring that they the departments should have ongoing engagement with that nonprofit and that departments need to set up their own department policies and procedures for monitoring these types of contracts. next week we're kicking off an implementation working group with representatives from all departments who are currently actively managing nonprofit contracts so that we can make sure there are lessons learned both from our team to departments but also departments across each other as departments are at different levels in their professionalism and capacity to do this kind of work and when i say professionalism it was more

about the capacity not about individuals. everybody wants to do a good job so i just meant in the kind of structure third nature of the work few yes, i think part of this is that both nonprofits and city departments really do try to do good work and we come in with that assumption. we're trying to make everything balanced and accountable as well as not overly onerous for things that nobody is going to look at as part of that. then we issued our fiscal year 24 fiscal and compliance nonprofit program annual report. so this is a program we've had for over 17 years where we do joint monitoring of that individual nonprofit that may work with multiple departments or might have a large contract . >> so we issued that in december almost 70% of the nonprofits had no findings. >> so some of the common findings we had were in audited financial statements. so we are ensuring that all departments are all nonprofit.

it's do have a recent nonprofit statement issues around agency wide budgets as well as board and governance structure. so we do have a program that continually monitors this. we've just kicked off this next cycle for fy 20 for monitoring and we will continue to sort of manage and facilitate that process and report later on on those results we issued four annual performance reports for fiscal year 24. so one is our annual performance measures for all city departments with a sort of long section at the beginning giving some context around around some of the key performance metrics and why they are performing the way that they are. we issued our street standards annual report as well as our parks standards annual report. >> two things that are mandated in our charter no major changes there to how thing how how users are experiencing it based

on our objective data that we try to collect. >> and then finally on the fourth annual report was on the our city our home committee this is taking a look at the i think it was about $318 million that was expended in last fiscal year through that fund. we take a look at what the performance measures and outcomes are for that work . additionally, we issued in early january a final report from a work group that is about expanding behavioral health placements for a complex population. i think some of the key findings there is that san francisco does have particularly high needs in these types of long term beds particularly with mental illness and so the modeling shows that there's about 75 to 135 of these types of beds needed over the next two years state the state did have proposition one which will offer some bond funding for

this type of service but it doesn't come with funding to actually provide those services. so the city should be working collaboratively with the state. we also took a look at our regional partnerships as a reasonable thing to pursue and it seems that we really want the state to help collaborate amongst regions as well as the state that there's some real energy that the state could have to help us in that. >> and then just last week we issued the our children, our families council review. >> so this was created in 20 14 we just did a review of of the council. >> they did create an outcomes framework. >> they have only reported on it twice not annually as in the legislation and it hasn't met since almost 2019 or so. some of the other challenges we found with that group is it was it was great to bring a lot of stakeholders together but then that also meant that there were some and it was difficult to

get priorities amongst a whole group of individuals and those are the major updates for city performance. >> so i think our pause with ten a and ten b if there are questions from the committee, any questions from the community committee members i had one question mark, you mentioned and city services audit on survey lands i think was that what is that as it's actually on surveillance technology is a part of the city charter that was approved a few years ago basically requiring the comptroller's office to audit the compliance of each city departments compliance with the with the surveillance technology laws. so if a department is employing a surveillance lens and feature

in any of the tools that they have, they have to go through approval process through the committee on information technology as well as the board of supervisors. and so our role in auditing it is basically just ensuring that the departments have those plans in place and that they have been approved by those entities today. >> okay. does include things like the use ofial rognition technology or drones. >> exactly. that's right. i have one other question on the geo bond expenditure audits and so it sounded like the next one is expected in spring 2025 and then embarking on another one after that. is there a reason that we don't do several in parallel rather than sequentially tackling them? >> yeah i know we have done so in the past where we actually

have 2 or 3 ongoing currently because of our resources we're kind of stacking them. we are working with a contractor on the first one that that we named in the 2019 affordable housing there will be an overlap because we're actually going to initiate it right before we actually release the we're going to release the audit and after we've initiated the second one i see i see is there i guess a project plan or a timeline that helps the committee members understand which audits are in cure would be in q in the next year or two fiscal years and then when they're expected to start and how long it would take to complete them, certainly we can provide you with that plan. this fiscal year was the first time that we actually picked back up our geo by an expenditure audit program. we started it back in 2016 but what we can provide you is what's lined up for the

upcoming fiscal year which we're hoping to be the 2020 esser as well as the 2018 i see. well we basically have been stacking them just to make sure that we're actually auditing gigabyte programs that have enough expenditures to test because i know that there has been some lag in the expenditure over the last few years given covid. >> yes, that would be helpful. just so the committee has kind of a global view of the work that needs to be done and the status of the various projects moving forward. >> okay. sounds good. thank you. any other questions from committee members? i had one sorry i have one for natasha. one question on the nonprofit audit report you mentioned that 70% of the nonprofits reviewed had no findings for the 30%. what is the timeline for them to take corrective or remedial action on those items? >> oh, usually immediately when the findings come about.

but it's the kind of case where we do give some time during the monitoring process and the reporting to be able to clear some of them but sometimes it might just take a few extra months. so we do expect the majority of those to be completed. we do have a corrective action policy which does elevate certain nonprofits that aren't meeting a certain number or certain type of of those metrics to elevated concern us. sorry that is the old word we have now called it corrective action. we have tiers and so we do have 11 of those nonprofits right now that we are working with. >> so they will have a detailed action plan with the departments that are working with them to work through clearing all of those items. >> thank you. all right. if there's oh, it's in our next item or venue. >> good morning. >> good morning, chair tongue

vice chair crawford members of the committee. before i go over the current forward calendar i can offer an update from the last meeting to this meeting in january. we were able to successfully price and close a nigerian transaction for four different bond authorizations which were the 2018 seawall bonds, the 2020 esser bonds and the two 2019 and 2024 affordable housing bond programs. we issued a total of approximately $552 million in par for those four programs. >> we broke the bidding up because of the size and different structuring of the bonds between tax exempt shorter and longer dated maturities. we broke it up into three bid groups. we got nine, eight and nine bids from underwriters so a very successful competitive bond sale and we were able to sell the bonds with a combined interest cost again recognizing different structuring taxable tax exempt mix of 4.59%.

so we feel as a very successful transaction and so hopefully those four programs have the proceeds they need to continue their projects for the next year or two. the next bond sale we have if you'll note on the calendar we submitted is for that pass affordable housing program that's again the repurposing of the 1992 seismic safety loan program. we're expecting an issuance not to exceed $40 million for that program which we will expect to price in early march and hopefully close around the end of march and then where we've just begun working on an additional transaction in which we hope to bring to the board this spring. we're just starting that process. we're meeting with departments where hoping to do the first issuance of the recently passed to november 2024 property bonds the vibrant, healthy and safe san francisco bond. so we're meeting with the various departments to get a

sense of their their timing and funding needs. it looks like definitely there'll be a need this for for an issuance this year for the public health portion of that bond and we're also probably going to do another issuance for the 2020 health and recovery bonds or at least come to the board for approval and also to offer some clarification. i know this came up earlier. i think remember fox had mentioned there was some lack of clarity on whether 87% or 59% of the of the bonds had been issued and i think that probably the reason for that was for for the first issuance for that health and recovery bond we had gone to the board with an authorization with a large not to exceed amount but as we were vetting the projects certain projects weren't ready to move forward yet so we only did issue instead of 425 million we only issued 258.5

million. so that 59% number should should be the correct number of the actual proceeds that have been received from the total authorization to date. so we'll be moving forward with a potential new issuance for 2020 health and recovery this spring which will increase that percentage. and i think we're we're going to be looking at potentially some of the public health and hsa monies being issued in the spring or going to the board anyway. i'm happy to take questions if there are any about about the forward calendar or the recent transaction. thank you. thank you. >> great. so for item ten d i have a few items to discuss today. so the first is to announce that we did issue your committee report covering the last few fiscal years. >> so congratulations on that. it's a summary of the liaison reports of all the work that

you've been doing so we can report that out to the public. okay. months a matter hands on my team worked with you all to get that done. so hopefully we have a good structure for going forward to just sort of crank that out and report back to the public. >> this second item is we wanted to confirm we now have a new member on the board and the committee and wanted to just confirm here that member fox would be taking over the liaison assignments for the 2020 health and recovery bond or csa division and the capital program. >> does that sound accurate? yes, those were all former member sunderland's roles, correct? yes. and you're okay with that? yeah. excellent. yeah. so that that is confirmed. and then to the extent that you do have member fox, if you have other programs that you want to

be involved in, please reach out. there are a number here that we have multiple people acting as liaison and i think it's good to have that coverage as members potentially roll off of the committee and so forth. so please feel free to reach out. thank you. >> okay. and i have pulled up the calendar on the screen of s.f. gov tv. you could show this for what we have upcoming for april. and what i wanted to raise here is we have two liaison reports for the two bond programs around rhode work which we know we've been hearing as mostly expended and so i wanted to prompt a discussion about what we how we how we as a committee want to handle reporting on bonds where the majority of the funds have been expended and or no work has been planned. so chair tong all right. >> so this the road repaving just to refresh everyone's

memory is the program where they've exceeded the number of lane miles that they were intending to repave and they've done more sidewalk improvements than they originally expected because of cost savings throughout the program and now they basically just have the tail end of the expenditures the the substance of the report the last several times that they've presented is essentially been the same. so for committee purposes, i guess the question is what do we desire from them for reporting? it doesn't seem to be an efficient use of staff time to have them create a whole deck and then come and present that information to us when there really hasn't been that much change because most of the proceeds have been expended. so would committee members be satisfied if we had something more like a close out report that included this 2011 road paving and safety street safety program as well as any other programs that are very close to fully expending their proceeds and just say these are the programs that are close to close out. just let us know what's the status?

when do you expect to close out? >> and i think that will make it easier for us to monitor if it's taking much longer than expected to close out some of those programs that we have kind of a tracker to make it easier to refresh our memories on that. is that something that folks have to be amenable to or alternatively i'm happy to entertain alternatives as well. >> just curious with that instead of saying 2011 roads repaving it would be like a new item that's as close out and it would be every six months or how would that look on the calendar? >> thought it through. i think if it could be done that way it could be just an attachment to the agenda that's a report that we pull up similar to some of these other staff reports i think in some kind of matrix format is probably fine with some commentary just these other things that or these are the programs that are close to close out. what are we expecting in terms

of timing for closing it out? >> what is the reason that it hasn't been closed out yet? and then that way we can follow up more closely with staff on that? >> that'd be great. i mean i've been giving this liaison report where i've said it's 98.6% extended for five years. so if we just stick to that last slide typically in the deck we don't need to see the picture of the curbs that have been poured 20 years ago. that would be fantastic. we're happy to help figure that out or yeah, that would that would be very helpful. i think we have kind of the same issue on the 2010 easter bonds where it's 99.8% expended and really all the construction work has been completed and all that's left are some cost for monitoring purposes and audit so they don't need staff to come in present on that particular bond because all the construction is done right. so do we want to try to do that ahead of the next meeting? >> and so the next meeting is sort of a close out. can i can i just make one or

maybe just maybe this is a clarifying question. >> so the 2016 health and safety bond, for example, has many different components. >> most of them are in close out but the huge one zuckerburg is not and will go on for another probably to well a year and a half. so what will we do with in that situation where we can't really say the bond is in close out but many of its components are i think for something like that we would still want staff to report out on it because there's a substantial amount of the bond proceeds that remain to be expended but maybe they could consolidate the information about the bond projects that are complete so that way we do focus the majority of our time where it needs to be. so i think that's something that we will work with on our with the program managers. >> yeah, that's sort of what

you're currently doing joe wouldn't you say? >> yeah, yeah. okay. but for the yeah for the bonds authorizations that truly are like 99% expended i think we've moved them into a different method of tracking because again the substance of the projects are complete. yeah we could even add that to this item ten somehow to of just checking anything on our tracker or if there's any movement or need to bring it up. >> so it's on every agenda i think that would be helpful. we're we're all interested in being efficient with staff time and our time for discussion. >> great. and that should conclude item ten any other discussion on any of the items in ten? >> i just have a question. the report that we just all did, natasha that you mentioned is that generally done

annually? >> it's generally annually, yes . and so we're hoping to get back to an annual yes schedule on that. okay, great. and then i don't know if you can talk about this now but can you give us if you can and if not, maybe next next meeting you can give us an update on which current vacancies or the vacancies that we currently have on the board this committee? yes. yes. i'm sorry this committee not the board. yeah. what are they? i think maybe we'd like to do some outreach and yes, try to get some new members so we don't have those quorum challenges. >> i will work with karen on that one. okay, thanks. that would be very helpful. yes, i understand. and which position is are vacant? what are the requirements the appointing authority? >> exactly. exactly so that we can coordinate appropriately. yes, i get those felt. yes.

>> good. so so on so online on the website are the vacancies listed there? >> i think they generally are. >> they should be, yes. i thought i was looking it up at one point with the requirements. yeah yes they are available online and i can circulate that to would be too much to ask if you could put it up right now i know when i've looked at the board of supervisors website for commissions and vacancies it shows but sometimes i've gone to that and it's been out of date. there's a new 2025 manatee report but there's a new one. okay, thanks. now that would be do you know where it is? technically six of nine seats are vacant like my seat vacant. technically. >> so are those two. >> yeah. we don't have to be here. yeah, i know. okay.

we have to find it. okay. yeah, because i think i've seen it once. but again yes, going back to having to find it again. >> yeah. yeah. so we will get that updated i think also send it out after the meeting and then posted on the website. yes thank you. >> i wonder if we do i think it would be valuable to add that as an you know add that on to our agenda what seats are vacant? >> i actually had that same thought so adding it as an agenda item under ten to say to do a review of vacant seats until they're all filled. >> yeah okay we can have that a standing item in this last grouping. >> okay. yeah that would be great because it just it seems like it's been a persistent issue for at least as long as i've been on the committee. >> yes. and you know, to the extent that we can do something to help identify candidates for the appointing authority. >> great. that would be great. that would be wonderful. it is a problem in other

committees as well. >> so don't take it personally . excellent. um, all right then. are you ready for public comment on this item? thank you. members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment on this item, please line up at the podium now. each person will have three minutes to speak for the record there are no in-person public comments this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item let's proceed to item 11 please. >> item 11 opportunity for committee members to comment or take action on any matters within the committee's jurisdiction and the other matters folks want to discuss. >> i think we have a discussion on frontline already. yeah. yeah we've covered it. okay. i think we do public comment on that. >> members of the public who wish to provide in-person public comment please line up at the podium now.

each person will have three minutes to speak for the record there are no in-person public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> with that we can adjourn the mean thank you. thank you

. okay good afternoon and welcome to the san francisco planning commission hearing for thursday february 13th, 2025. when we reach the item you're