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today is wednesday, february 12th, 2025. this is a special budget meeting of the building inspection commission. i would like to remind everyone to please mute yourself if you're not speaking and the first item on the agenda is roll call. >> president alexander mute. yes. vice president shattuck yes. commissioner chavez here. >> commissioner ming here. >> commissioner newman here and commissioner williams here. >> okay, we have a quorum and next is our land acknowledgment . the building inspection commission acknowledges that we are on the city ancestral homeland of the roma to challenger who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their tradition the roma too shall only have never seen it lost nor forgotten their responsibility as caretakers of this place as well as for all

the peoples who reside in their traditional old territory. as guests we recognize that we benefit from living working on their traditional homelands. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders and relatives of the roma to challenge community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. thank you. and next for any members of the public that may be listening in the public comment call a number is (415) 655-0001. the access code is 26607832842 and the webex webinar password is 0212 to raise your hand for public comment on a specific agenda item press star three when prompted by the meeting moderator. >> next we are on to item two discussion and possible action on the proposed budget of the

department of building inspection for fiscal years 2020 for 2025 and 2025 2026. >> and step a couple good morning commissioners alex koskinen deputy director administration. i'm here to do the second of two budget presentations for the department's proposed budget submission to the mayor and board of supervisors for the next two fiscal years. >> first slide please. the presentation is very similar to what was presented a month ago. most of the slides are the same some numbers have been slightly updated as a few of the numbers have changed. new information has come in. i will highlight those but my plan is to move through the slides that have already been covered fairly quickly and then talk about a few additions

towards the end. >> so this is some general information about tbi. the slide is the same as last time. >> next slide please. >> this is about the two year budgeting process how budget planning works. >> next slide please and please feel free to. i'd be happy to go back and discuss any of these slides in detail should should anyone be interested? here is the general budget schedule new changes. next slide please. here is a picture a financial picture breakdown of the department into the types the three types of services we provide and organizing them into. direct fee generating departments within the department and overhead departments that support those but do not generate fees themselves. next slide please.

here is a look at the financial history over the last 20 years and the tentative plans for the next few years. >> next slide please. here are changes to tbis budget and the changes that have already happened and the changes that we are expecting to come in the mayor space and beyond. next slide please. >> here are some of the general strategy and strategies and tactics that dba employed and what we want to accomplish and how we are using the budget to accomplish those those outcomes. >> next slide please. >> these numbers have changed slightly from the previous presentation but they are very very similar. >> a few work orders with other departments they've let us know hey our costs have changed please update your budget accordingly. but no significant changes from what was presented in the last

meeting. >> next slide please. >> the initiatives this was presented at the last meeting. >> there are no changes here. i believe fairly minimal compared to the labor changes in our budget. next slide please. this is a new slide we did not present this slide last time the mayor's office had just announced a citywide hiring freeze and we were waiting for some additional guidance to see what the mayor's office was expecting for us regarding our position budget submission. >> we have been in contact with them and we have not received guidance that says regarding what we should submit for our position budget so this is this is the same plan that we had last time but now i will be presenting the details for your

review. >> >> so walking through this slide shows all of the technical changes that we are proposing to make in the budget. what that means is we believe these are nondiscretionary items. these are making the budget reflect the reality of what's going on in the department. so reassignments if a person if an existing staff person moves from plan review to inspections ,they're just moving. that's a technical change. we're not adding headcount changing cost anything. it's just a behind the scenes thing. so that is what the reassignments are substitutions there are processes for changing job classes mid-year from what the mayor and board of supervisors had approved. these are called temporary exchanges. >> so these substitutions are reflecting exchanges that have already occurred or are planned

to occur. so we have already received approval to substitute a permit tech one to permit tech to 11 permit tech ones to 11 permit tech tools. that has already happened or those people are working in that new job class. so this is just changing the budget to reflect the reality of what those people's job classes actually are today. and then same with the special class changes. >> these are existing positions that we have that we have not filled and we are proposing to decrease the attrition budget to reflect to filling these previously unfilled positions. >> so we had the hiring authority. >> we just need the budget dollars now. >> next slide please. >> this slide shows the policy

changes so these are new classes new previously and this is headcount that did not exist in the department previously and we are requesting so it is two things these attrition changes are proposing to decrease attrition by amount that would increase headcount higher than it was previously on the technical changes. those are just reflecting unfilled positions. maybe somebody else left. we want one position. we're now going to leave that one vacant and fill this one instead. so no no overall change but these policy decision ones are increasing headcount beyond what they were previously. so the department will now be larger if these changes are approved. and then lastly the new

positions we are requesting 11 new headcount for various program initiatives. i'll go through them one by one quickly. we are requesting 1053 that's a business analyst for a new gas unit that is will help the department not just tbi but citywide in and customers kind of mapping mapping out the city, mapping out the building stock so we can create right now all of the building attributes are either there they're in pete's in our permit tracking system manually if we want to when a permit application comes in for a building we have to go in and manually look at previous permit applications to determine how many units are there in this building.

i guess gis system citywide would allow us to just run a report and immediately see this building has this many units so it would give everyone involved from dba to other departments to the public to the development community much better insight into existing building attributes. next is a an additional h.r. staff for whom the plan is to utilize them to do additional training manager training, safety training all sorts of training disaster preparedness training. this would be a net zero cost to the department because we were previously paying d h r for a client services representative and we have eliminated that work order.

so we are proposing to bring services that d r previously did for us in-house for a savings. >> next we are proposing to add an 1822 administrative analyst to help administer the vulnerable concrete building program. this one you are likely familiar with there will be legislation coming. this will be a large administrative effort similar to soft story program. >> next is an 1823 administrative analyst for our records division and this one will help with data cleanup. there is 100 years worth of records. there are all sorts of types of records special inspections, things that are just saved in our shared drive that are not indexed and are hard to access

or time consuming to access. >> we are hoping to get more unified content management policy which would improve internal and external access to information and prepare us for the transition to a new permit tracking system so we bring less mess with us into a new system. >> next is a 1823 product slash project to manager. this would help with the department wide project initiatives. this is really in anticipation of the transition to a new permit tracking system. there are many department processes that are very old could be updated. there is the potential to streamline things which would improve permit issuance times, improve access to information

and also make sure that our processes are all documented and ready to transition to the new system. next we have to permit tech tools for to expand the virtual interactive plan review and permit review roundtable. this has been something a new program that the department has implemented where we gather together plan reviewers from various departments and we will sit with applicants for complicated projects to make sure that there can be a back and forth with everybody with all stakeholders in one room so decisions can be made more quickly and it prevents e mails back and forth between departments and it makes and moves things along much more quickly from the initial feedback applicants seem to be

very happy with the program and it is a resource requirement for other departments to have a staff person available to sit and be available to answer questions from applicants. but the program has been successful so far and we would like to expand it and then we would also like another permit to for this gives geographically geographical information systems unit so to help there's going to be a lot of kind of technical architecting of this but also a lot of busy work just going through mountains of data and verifying things and correcting errors so we need an additional staff person for that. next is 5174. >> this is this is an equity move in our technical plan

review group the to even out the organization structure in the other in the main plan review group there is a 50 to 14 and this 5174 is the equivalent of of that it's a higher level engineer that would sit between the group the the group managers, the plan review group managers and the head of the plan review group. right now there's a large distance between the group managers for mechanical and electrical plan reviewers and the head of the plan review group. so this brings it into alignment with the other plan review group the head of the technical services division is also 5214 so this isn't equivalent position to that to

bring equity to the administrative engineer would bring equity to the overall plan plan review services. and then lastly we have an 8177 attorney. this one we don't know if it will stay as this class if it will become a manager but we have identified the desire for a legal affairs manager, our staff often have quick legal questions and we really appreciate the services that city attorney already provides us and reach out to them frequently but sometimes lower level staff may have quick questions and we don't feel it's appropriate for them to go directly to city attorney's office and there is somewhat of a game of telephone where our line staff have to go up to a manager to go to city attorney. this legal affairs manager will help coordinate all of the

legal services that city attorney provides to us and make sure that all of the different attorneys are aware of what's going on in their different areas of one project. if something has procurement and h.r. implications those are two different city attorneys and we'd like one manager to coordinate all of those legal efforts but we will definitely work with the city attorney to make sure that that is done properly and done per what is required in the charter. so those are our labor policy budget additions that we are that are we are proposing in the department's budget submission. >> next slide please. >> this slide is the same as last time. it's just an overview of the fees that we charge talks a little bit about the fees study . next slide please.

these numbers have again chart changed very very slightly but this is a snapshot a summary of all of the fees that we charge in the previous meeting i included all of the fees schedules, each line item fee detailed out there existing amount the change amount the proposed change amount so that handout is available from the previous meeting's agenda. >> next slide please. >> this slide is also unchanged in format and the amounts have slightly changed because this goes over the department's fund balance reserve. you can use those interchangeably and notes that we are proposing to revive the technology fee to create a technology reserve for future technology expenses. >> next slide please.

>> this slide is the same as last time guidance from mayor's office is unchanged. this is what the department has been directed to do regarding the cbo budget. >> next slide please. this is a new slide. i provided some additional information on the grant programs that exist right now so it breaks down the current $4.8 million budget into the two programs sro and see up lists the number of sro as an apartment buildings approximately those change and then breaks down the contracted the contract amounts the contracts are 4 or 5 years they end at the end of next fiscal year so procurement for the next cycle is planned to begin early next fiscal year so a fall of 2025. next slide please.

>> and then as instructed by the back in the previous meeting, here are some options for funding the $1.128 million budget reduction to the grant budget. there are three options that we have identified. the first is that the back and the department recommend to the mayor and the board of supervisors that they remove the cut and restore the general fund supported budget to the current year fiscal year 25 amount. the next option is increasing hotel license fees by an average of 180% fairly significant and apartment license fees by an average of 7%. the difference there is there are far fewer hotels than there are apartments. so and the sro program is

larger than the city program. >> the cost is more so it's a larger amount of shared by fewer hotel owners. that's why the hotel license fee is so much higher. and then the last fee is or the last option is to increase all db fees by approximately 1.5%. as discussed previously there have been some discussions with the city attorney regarding that option. i believe a memo was presented to the commission regarding that option for some of those reasons the department recommends option number one to keep the funding as supported by the general fund but restore it to the current year amount and then lastly i'll note that president toot has prepared a letter for review by the bic, a

letter to the mayor and the board of supervisors so i'm hoping that can be shared and discussed today. next slide please. and so the letter discussion aside tbi requests that the big move to recommend approval of the departments budget submission to the mayor and board of supervisors with any additional recommendations they may have. so i believe that is the letter but happy to discuss the exact wording of the motion and i'd be happy to answer any other questions. >> that concludes the budget presentation. thank you. >> i'd like to just the comments that were where my name was mentioned so in anticipation of this i have i

have been working with the department around language that does kind of two things and one is to communicate to the mayor and just encourage and support the department's personnel requests because the hiring freeze that the that you know our work is life safety issues. our work is economic recovery. our work is homelessness prevention. you know all of these things. >> and in the event of a disaster the dsw workers that are everyday workers really play an important role and that the city's housing efforts or economic recovery efforts etc. it would be would be harmed if the hiring freeze were to continue. i applaud the mayor for taking such bold action to help the general fund that these are fee funded positions. so we so it's is my intention to have something drafted devolve some thinking but that

the my intention would be that whatever we leave here today deciding on as a board that would just you know edits would happen to that so there's no like thing that's happening i just you know that would it be codified through a motion here of this commission? so that's the one and then the second one is is just is considering the the options for for the possibility of what we did last year. >> so last year we recommended to the board of supervisors regarding the city grant program and i'll do my disclosure in a second to either use general funds to cover the cost of the of the program or a second option would be to increase fees by 5% at that point in order to cover the cost 5% over what was already being recommended and

that a 5% across the board 4 to 5% of what was being recommended in order to cover the full cost of the grant program. so that's what we did last year is that we just said these are your two options. this program's really important to us. we think it's vital for, you know, the health and well-being of san francisco for housing for vulnerable populations and that was what we did last year. so it's very similar except adding perhaps another option or an an altered type of the hiring freeze. so just to kind of folks folks have any questions that's their email. >> i'll do my disclosure which is that i formerly was employed by one of the cuny based organization and that was funded by this line. we're not talking about any particular organization or steering any kinds of funds. >> this is a general line item and policy position. >> i've conferred with the city attorney and have no conflict here. okay. and deputy director can i can have a seat because we have to

do public comment at this time and then we'll have the commissioner deliberations afterwards and as there usually be questions yes but we have to do public comment first and then the then the deliberation. yeah. yeah. and as there appear to be a number of speakers we will have public comment be limited to two minutes for each speaker if there is interpretation required then it will be four minutes. okay. >> okay and for speaker could come forward. >> okay. >> and that budget how was the loss will be was why those in

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deal it's out to go quasi donation for down to the hospital all calls you are are you going to provide interpretation services okay then you may want to do that because i'm going to start the two minutes over now. >> okay. thank you. >> hello everyone. my name is law should be a client of housing counseling teams at the chinatown community development center here to urge the commissioner not to cut the budget for the so and c programs. i'm a resident of the excelsior district in san francisco and lived here for over ten years and during this time my family has been harassed multiple times by the landlord who also neglected to maintain our living environment. >> for example, after two years living in the units the stove was broken, the toilet was leaking and the bathroom sink is leaking as well.

the bathroom ceilings became moldy and the water faucets have been rust. >> later and we also experienced the wall crack and claw pipe this by informing the landlord for more more times they never responded. in addition to these maintain those issues they were there were also infestation of rat and cockroaches and the landlords block our fire escape but numerous cardboard boxes these problem cost the tenant to move out and creating significant distress for us a family of four since we do not speak english and we are unfamiliar with san francisco housing's issues and we introduced by a friend who found the housing counseling not only speak our language and very patients and they help us to write we pay a request to

the u n law and taught us about tenant rice such as the importance of documenting and maintaining issues and assisting us to follow up with repair until the problem was solved. therefore the program is extremely important to the community. it's not only help us to understand our rights as a tenant but enable us to exercise those rights. >> thank you. okay. thank you. >> with morning commissioners, i'm gloria lemus, program manager for tco tenderloin housing clinic levels latina program. i'm here. i'm going to be translating for norma soto who is my client. and thank you. >> yes. one of the homies you know nobody normal soto e be doing well then they're going. >> good morning commissioners. my name is norma soto and i'm a resident for the tenderloin is

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your program continue providing the services in the community i leave for four years in very poor conditions even though i request the green greentree to have a maintenance or have some items for repairing my unit i was ignore i have mold i have rat infestation. >> i have problems in the walls. hmm i stuck in was latino cypress in theory he may you though i report i report to it's okay me are you that on the that i address all better problem so all these problems were were resolved thanks to the was latin and see our program all my editorial issues floor was replaced and all the problems were resolved from green tree gracious norma thank you. >> you for being here this

morning please try to find a way to keep us on war. the most bull in book clients and community and families that live in this city need us. we are the bridge. we work together with the department and the inspections but we are the ones making sure that we provide the language capacity that we are on top of our cases making sure that they the green trees in our larger companies don't do the minimum we want their floors to be replaced so please we're here petitioning to please keep us on more. our communities can not remain silence right now with the work that we have done in the past where we're noticing the change that the people are being less afraid to file their complaints . unfortunately, like large businesses even though they have the system to receive complaints they don't follow up

they ignore in non do we come on board those issues are addressed. >> thank you for good morning commissioners my name is pretty with thick and i oversee i'm from general housing clinic i will see three programs central cities are all collaborative levels latino and see our program. i don't have to say this enough i mean i've come forward for many years and i would say for the last two years requesting full restoration of our budget because we are the frontline staff for the neighborhood and so we have tenants coming through our door who feel very uncomfortable calling 311 or calling dba inspections so we are critical i don't know how more to emphasize we have given a presentation last time we told you about our stories. >> i cannot sending a letter is great. last year you guys did that

with we are thankful for that but doing something else more than a letter would be very good indication saying that you're taking a seriously and please restore our budget thinks good morning commissioners my name's kathy yvonne i am a peer counselor central city collaborative. i was also for four years a tenant at the hartland hotel. i'm here to ask you to please keep our budget in place. okay. the work that we do as a peer counselor is so important. it's it's not just about we don't just go in and somebody comes in and complains, we call the manager and the problem gets fixed. the type of people that i have to deal with on a daily basis is that they have so many other issues they're stressed out from their living conditions. they're angry, they're upset. they want results. yes, we do call the buildings.

we do try to get them fixed but i have an example is we had a i had a 85 year old woman. this woman suffered from level four c copd. okay. she came in and she has on an oxygen tank. she was she was upset because she had been chained fighting with management fighting with the case managers to try to get them to relocate her so that they could go in and do a full cleaning of her apartment. the pictures that she showed me the room was totally infested. there were roaches walking all over the walls. the traps were completely black and nobody seemed to be doing anything. i was able to call, talked to management, explained to them this you have to do this. you can't leave her in this unit why this is going on. it needs to be in fumigated completely. >> i was able to help this woman and she was she was so grateful for what we were able to do. she was she was relaxed. she was she was calm. she felt like, you know, she

could continue to live in her space so it's not just about calling management and saying you got to fix this. it's about helping the client and giving them the the mindset that it's going to be okay. i beg you please don't cut off our funding. >> thank you for good morning commissioners. my name is kelly wong. i'm a staff member at chinese progressive association. i will be translating for our our member here today as well all mankiewicz all along although got some order to you hang waffle house i'm following gangs yeah so i'm going to use if i know like on ping but like in hong kong please hang up go to you i'm going okay bye. okay. flight mode they found out you 2.2. they found they got down to you my son found some things and find your argument. i buy you.

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our organizers worked with the landlord and property management company multiple times. thanks to the efforts the landlord finally repaired the floor. this is why i'm asking dubai not to cut funding as few as our families and vulnerable residents urgently need their services. many of us do not speak english and then or too often slow to fix building issues we rely on organizers to help us communicate with landlords and get necessary repair done. please continue to support our fight for you and our families. >> thank you. >> back to how she is found on euclid alley hailing water. that's the painting by william grape. we are surgeons are bound and joke with these women he gets to go to design bank jacking ukiyo insignia and 70 and drew your hand to allow you 20 junior seats or you woman to

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collaborative and i urge you not to cut our budget today my family of four has lived in an all unit for seven years facing many issues last october the only entrance was blocked by over for ten large garbage bins and three oil barrels leaving an theros delivery path covered in oil a major fire hazard despite reporting it to the building management they were slow to act. thankfully we reached out to an esso organizer who continue pursley follow up with the owner as a result the block passage was clear and other improvements were may as well include window protection and additional miles traps to address the road and problems in that building as well we rely heavily on organizers to maintain a safe living in lineman. please do not cut our budgets so they can continue to protect

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so your son wanting more what daichi the b i waited way but you should come home when someone can with the fire you don't say it's a hello everyone my name is manning huang my family before lives and assault in chinatown and i urged d b i not to cut fundings for our family united collaborative three s.a.f.e. you i've learn more about my tenants rights to organize i also speak my native language making it easier for us to communicate and resolve housing issues. previously my ceiling was leaking because the sink and upstairs units was clocked. i contacted the building manager multiple times and they said they would fix it but the problem was never fully resolved. after i reach out to as out as our f organizer to communicate it with the manager and the issue was finally fixed. as our families rely heavily on so few services i urged d b i not to cut this budget. >> thank you baby i need a home

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got what is your cell phones? your heart, copper. >> what are you doing on monitoring? look, was you linking body hi dba commissioners my name is lee huang. i am a member of the all families united collaborative. my family of four lives in an asylum in chinatown and i'm here today to ask the committee not to cut our budget without the help of social organizers and a code enforcement outreach program. our living conditions would be much worse. i recall when our kitchen stove broke despite multiple complaints, the property owner ignored an issue. fortunately an organizer discovered a problem during outreach repeatedly follow up with the owner and thanks to their persistence a new stove was purchased and installed the cell organize qsrs and this program are essential for vulnerable tenants like us. i can only urge you to recommend to keep all of our budget because we need a code enforcement outreach program

and as all families united collaborative please continue to support all residents and ensure that we are able to live in a safe and habitable living condition. thank you. go away in the hope one of our keeps on something what do you want from me? why the hunting got way more jack i'm sorry for getting cranky we are used in churches that i know you set them low for low humanity gets got your approach william and taylor. hey, so you're putting that on your chicken john you hey yo you so you know what's ahead loud movie so louder hello sir your man that he is the reason he took aim at the whole country no human taylor how going to stop sam go get in guy cook a and tell or something you got unemployment taylor house up yet go get nearly directly so you all orphaned or otb i can tell you legal to hang all idbi phantom control only at bofa so i'll keep our

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>> since january last year i have assisted 73 clients with building issues 62 cases we soft and 11 ongoing without needing a tbi inspector my work saves the cbi about 1500 per case for the tbi inspector when they are inspecting a violation and totaling 181 k annual savings over the past five years my efforts have saved nine k do the code enforcement average program we are familiar with all buildings and we maintain strong communications with landlord and property managers to resolve issues quickly. please protect our budget so we can continue to ensure that our residents live in safe and habitable conditions. thank you.

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you so you shut down you go i will my life for jonah you should go take your medical visual attention so please continue to support us are for you and us all as our all families. >> thank you. i would. >> is that okay if i translate the second half of it? okay. into past the kitchen stove would often break and take a long time to get fix just because a long line for cooking and sometimes i could i make meals in time leaving my child hungry to toilet all that slow flush and it has to be pressed multiple times we have to wait several minutes for it to work properly. we try talking to the landlord ourselves but nothing changed. eventually we reach out to the as our family united collaborative for help to step in and to talk to communicate with the landlord. thanks to their support department we're finally fixed. this is why i'm asking to debate not to cut funding for our family a few many vulnerable families living it as that will rely on the

services because of language barriers and not knowing housing regulation. we need organization like that to help us communicate with landlords and resolve maintenance issues. please continue to support as all of you and as our families. >> thank you. yeah, okay go to totem pole go them from come go like you know a long time ago if off you mobile lawyer come how do you the zenfone chapdelaine focus on for me i got to see the whole go hang out you see manhattan like every cell owner whole times you can tomato like you gotta you gotta look like i am you i don't think it really could that i'm talking about all that like they'll say i'm gonna bet a packed you are on lemonade a whole loaf i kicked

off what a humongous these are more toxic i'm a little bit more we've cookie been very but the team good way of doing all the signs all the white i know they did sample getting bonked the whole time they were doing what they can my homework until so you have only they most yet and what is an in china but you good morning everyone my name is fang jing huang my daughter lives in assault but she has to work today so i'm here to speak on her behalf. i urge you not to cupped objects for us our families. my daughter's family of five has been living in an old azalea in chinatown for over ten years building often has broken facilities and even though we report issues to the beauty manager they take a long time to fix them fix them. thankfully we aren't as out of you deficit as regularly check in on our well-being and most importantly follow up on our housing issues.

they take notes, documents, problems with photos and reported them to building manager because of their involvement. our repair issues get resolved much faster as we also provide many community resources programs and training opportunities which have been very careful helpful for us are urgent not to to keep as out of a few in deep budgets and not cut his funding so we can continue to receive to help our support we need. >> thank you like a home or give loving you high cpa as a doctor jackson wanting you we got jose you gave me i didn't talk tbi we come so i'm wanting you with a phone well hi cahuilla needs only he broadcasting guide you to hold all argument i like gangs on you so easily low taha got to hong kong to lock out to fong i

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progressive association an organizer with our families unite a collaborative today i urge debate not to cut fundings for as how few over the past year have helped many families receiving booting issues such as replacing broken water heaters, fixing loose window frames, repairing leaking kitchen sinks, addressing rodent problems in buildings and rooms, replacing broken bathroom splices, fixing cracked rooms, cracked walls in rooms, removing mold on bathroom ceilings, replacing fatty smoke and carbon monoxide detectors. >> as organizers we speak to families native languages making it easier to understand disputing problems and keeping them updated on repairs. while we help families report issues to landlord, we also educate them on how to communicate with landlords and understand that tenant rights as safe as rfq services are essential for as our families please do not cut its funding. >> thank you.

>> good morning everyone. my name is charlie goss i i'm the government affairs manager for the san francisco apartment association and we are the nonprofit agency that represents landlords and property owners here in san francisco as part of the seattle program. >> and we're here to urge you not to cut funding to the program. the program is unique in that it's one of the only programs in the city that brings together landlords and tenants and landlords of tenant groups to work together collaboratively to achieve a common goal which to improve the living standard and habitability standard in apartment buildings. it's a noble goal and one of the only problem or one of the only programs that the city has that's really truly collaborative with our communities in that nature. this program obviously brings benefits to tenants who have their life quality and apartment living quality improved. it also brings benefits to property owners who can now comply with the housing code

and habitability requirements without incurring fines, without incurring penalties that limits their liability. it also helps them sort of better understand their their responsibility under the law and overall long term we think it improves the landlord tenant relationship. the third beneficiary is the city. it saves the department of building inspection and the city time and money and resources and we think this is a program that should be funded. it looks like you guys are looking at solutions to fund the program and we really appreciate that and hope you can find a way. yesterday i was at eddy street for the program and as a result a hole in the bathroom ceiling is being fixed a leak in the kitchen pipe is being fixed. last week i was at 2000 broadway and 1495 golden gate and there are a number of issues that are being fixed and sometimes having sort of a collaborative program where you have you know, a tenant group and a property owner group saying this is your responsibilities under the law, this is what you need to do under the housing code. this is what there's a number

of reasons why maintenance issues don't get addressed could be a language barrier. >> it could be a misunderstanding. it could be negligence. and the see out program helps all of that. >> so we hope you find a way. thank you. >> good morning, everybody here in the room. my name is peter. i'm a tennis right organizer. and it's a real collaborative, collaborative and mission action. >> and our essence collaborative has been carrying out our work for many years providing support to our latino community which in many cases are undocumented and a lack of knowledge regarding their arise ascertain our programs provide constant visiting services from outreach personnel organizers and case consultants where they maintain constant communication with to address various claim and the services that we provide as the housing

migrations and our we and habitability problem and repairs and referrals for the reason we as an employer that the funds are not being withdrawn from us since the only ones who will be harms will be left alone and unprotected that tennis organizers as a tennis organizers i'm a licensed help and support tennis in the city of san francisco. >> thank you. >> good morning everyone. >> my name is senior. yes and today i'm here for mission action. >> many of the tenants that we work with are unaware of the city's resources and are unable to access information due to language or technology barriers, disabilities or vulnerabilities that cause them to fear or think their rights or contacting government agencies. by utilizing the existing ties we have with community members we are able to reach individuals that are mostly impacted by systemic injustice

and most likely to be subject to unsafe living conditions. like many of the stories you've heard today, our experience is that because of our efforts we've been able to address many of these issues that many individuals that don't face these issues are able to sleep and have a safe habitable space and just like everyone deserves that access as well. the funding has also enabled us to serve tenants in a culturally linguistically appropriate through direct tenant arid so please do not cut our essential budget. >> thank. >> good morning. well that was weird. good morning commissioners. first i wanted to thank all of you who have come out to visit some sorrows in chinatown with us. your presence there and those buildings have given tenants the belief that they have the attention of the city and they are feeling more empowered to report issues that are affecting their peaceful

enjoyment of what they call home inspecting these sorrows and finding those code violations as some of us saw when we were there in common spaces or talking to tenants and seeing what issues are there having in their own units are only a fraction of what we do. as you've heard from our colleagues or some of our clients that came out today, there are countless of these sro buildings that discourage through questionable tactics tenants from allowing tenants from allowing any form of inspections whether it's from us or from the department. itself which is why we provide clinics again use some of you've heard some of those being mentioned today where these tenants can come to us to report some of these issues where they can feel safe and we can help them document we can help them report and ultimately if things are not getting fixed ,the things are not getting done correctly. we provide that protection,

that eviction protection by collaborating with the save rent board as well as sometimes with the department so that they are not getting kicked out. we've seen this before in the tenderloin in the mission and soma. when tenants report any sort of issue whether it's to us to the department and some of these landlords will kick them out at night when none of us are working in the weekends or even on holidays and that's just not right when we're asking you not to cut the budget. it's not just to say oh please just send a letter out to the to the board of supervisors and they will backfill or potentially not cut. that's not what we're saying. we're saying give us the opportunity to come back to this department's budget. we've seen it over the last two years where there's a potential of growth and now they're willing to put up to $6 million from one reserve to another reserve for technology or whatever. so they do have the opportunity to backfill and the 180% sounds like a scary number increase. >> but your comments yes, 100 and 80%.

>> it's not that scary when you actually see the cost for these buildings. it's possible we'd need more than just a letter. >> help us out. thank you. >> that concludes public comment in person. >> is there any remote public comment on the no, there's no remote public comment. okay. and commissioners, our president it's been a while. alex, i had just one last question for you. i'm like son, it says it's on this thought oh yeah, let me try the other the am i on okay and the new positions these special are the new positions on page 12 that you had did you say these were already approved by the mayor's office and they they approve those are your you're submitting those for

consideration to the mayor's office? >> no, these are being submitted in these are not approved. this is the depart this would be the first time the mayor and the board of supervisors would see these these are proposed. >> okay. thank you. that empowers the additional staffing was were these planned for in the fee study? are they a result of the fee study? are the revenues that you're projecting able to support these staff lines? >> yes, these are built into the fees that were presented last month. so those fund these positions they're not a result of the fees study. they're policy decisions that we whose costs we input into the fee model that determined what fees we are proposing or

commissioner but were there any other commission or questions or comments that president yeah, questions or comments, yeah i'm confused as i also just wanted to say thanks for the presentation and working through this and for the grant funding options. >> i think this is really important. a few are i guess a comment mostly just about the importance of the program. we said a few years ago that we needed to move the funding for this program to the general fund to ensure that we can continue to support the programs and our partners said that that would put them at risk for budget cuts if there were larger cycles they were correct. >> there are budget cuts. i think it's our responsibility

as a department which is why i'm happy to see these grant funding options to backfill that gap for you. this is a program that we are responsible for. they do really, really important work for the city and i'm happy to see these options. i'm wondering if there's another option to pull from missouri or like there has to be. i think it's our responsibility to figure out year over year how we can maintain their funding in addition to general fund funding. so i just want to say that i support finding options. i do think that we should provide different options besides a letter to the the board of supervisors saying to restore this to its previous amount, i think we need to provide some options of how we would get there and make commitments to that further down the line. >> so i just wanted to say that is it is there an option that we could pull from reserves for this? >> i know that we have a plan to like get us back up and then with these new positions that we are proposing how i mean they sound important but i'm

also noticing that those positions are going to increase cost by more than the gaps we have for this for our s.r and sro programs. so is that somewhere that we can pull from are those positions all entirely necessary? >> how do we prioritize those over closing this gap so the priorities for the positions were determined in internally and externally. we've taken direction from the mayor's office. there has been intense public focus on improving permit issuance times. there's a housing crisis. it's been made very clear to the department that many improvements to the permitting process are necessary. that seems to be a focus of the new mayor administration as well. so that's how we determined

which positions to put forward regarding use of fund balance. >> there was a very careful deliberate plan for drawing down our fund balance to a level a very low level the the minimum that we felt comfortable with any additional use of fund balance increases risk if revenues do not come in as budgeted and we don't have that cushion to absorb then that puts department staff at risk and we're putting a lot of people's lives like day to day quality of life and lives and housing at risk if we don't continue to fund these programs. so i hear what you're saying and i think that we you know, there's a difficult question to answer here, but that's what i submit for now it's a question of no. i was really blessed me i have

a question about the technology reserves. >> my understanding is that 3 million for two years or 3 million this year and then 3 million next year is that correct? >> correct. >> what is that number based on ? so we are working on a reserve policy but in general the thought is that a system replacement could be cost up to $4,050 million. the assessor's office recently we did a major systems replacement project and that's what we're basing our cost estimate on. it's very rough. it's very difficult to say until it happens. and then we also made assumptions based on how long a system might last. also very difficult to project a project and we also had to assume how much value would be

felt by rbi versus other departments. so how much would i need to fund for a new system? the previous effort a few years ago to replace systems had i paying for approximately 70% so assumptions are approximately up to $50 million i would be responsible for about 70% of it and then it would last for about 15 years. and so tentatively we are hoping at this point it's there's time to decide this but my thought is to recover up to about $30 million in anticipation of a new system. >> we know that we are we've already embarked on a project to evaluate and replace systems. there's now some uncertainty with the new mayor's administration what their

priorities are. we're waiting for more guidance there. but our existing department systems are at the end of life. oracle has said that they will no longer support them at the end of 2027 so we feel like we are on the clock. we need to get this done now there are still open questions about what the general fund can afford to spend now it's a difficult time for the general fund so we are trying to secure as much funding as we feel we can and as reasonable now you know, just wondering if that if it's you know, 3 million over two years if you've looked at is the like two and a half over like three years or like 2 million over three years. >> so this would be a separate fee used to charge a technology surcharge fee on all permits and inspection fees that was done away with in 2017 when it

was determined that the department was at risk of over recovering so it wanted to it reduced all fees by 7% and eliminated the technology fee. so we are just bringing bringing back the technology fee it would be approximately 2 to 3% of all of our fees, right? so i think it's to two points. first i think is just something i would like to see i guess addressed in a future future meeting but the the line item for services to other departments i'm sure that's a very detailed component but i don't know maybe in a like what the couple bullet points what what is the department receive for our payment to the other

department. sure i think there's 30 to 40 of them it's city attorney's services it's our building rent. it's what the permit center charges us. it's the department of technology infrastructure here it's our outlook. microsoft subscriptions, it's our d h r services, it's our share of the controllers office systems. it's all of those types of things. so some are discretionary but the vast majority of them are just other departments allocating their costs and telling us this is what you are paying for these services. >> okay. and then i guess the second point is it's less of a question, more of just getting statement here. so for the the cbo programs you know that was a big component of the public comment portion of today's meeting. it's been a component of and i

know i guess it's been a running issue for as long as i've been on the commission. there's not an easy answer to anything but for my position you know last year we as a department adopted sort of a phased in full recovery budget plan. since we've adopted that plan i think we should continue with it. but the logic of the plan was instead of instead of adopting fees which would match to match the cost of the services provided we were going to phase them in and use our use our reserves to pay for the phased in plan because we didn't want to cause a shock to our community of customers with the proposed cuts to the cbo programs i think that's also going to create a shock to our

community of customers. i think if there is a possibility to continue the logic of trying to minimize the shock to our customers, i think that's would also apply with our community in the sorrows and in our apartments and if that means slightly increasing the fees by 1.5% or if that means using our reserves then i would be in support of that because you know i understand the risk of continuing to draw from the reserves but we're already accepting that risk with the phased in full recovery plan and either the plan is going to work or it's not. so that's my position on it and here it is. so thank you. think about um just another point i want to make. i you know it's no surprise what the federal context is right now and just to underline the importance of closing this gap on the funding, you know

these folks rely on these programs because they feel safe talking to these organizations and they don't feel that they're putting themselves at risk where the federal government is wanting to put these people at risk and was looking for them. i think that we really need to as a department and prioritize them and their safety and their needs. and i think more than ever, you know, we made plans for reserves. we made plans for the budget. this is an unanticipated change that i think we need to respond to. and again, i think it's really our responsibility to fill this gap and to make sure that we are funding. and i also want to underline that this like putting us back at this budget at $4.8 million was already a cut from before. so we're already looking at cuts in this program as it were and i don't feel comfortable with us continuing to do that. so i want us to find something today i see a list of options. i think there might be other options but telling the support

of supervisors this is of the utmost importance to us and then figuring out a way just down the line that we can continue to support them as they need and continue to backfill reserves if that's our backfill the general fund, if this is what's going to continue to happen, anybody else? >> okay. i need to add to my disclosure that i was formerly a former colleague of priti patel being considered to continue to continue to call her friend. so we do have a housing crisis and we could barely find one of the people who came to us housing with the funding with $1.2 million a year like if any one family loses housing the city's responsible party the amount that that causes that the cost of the city is above

the $1.2 million. >> so to say that this is not a cost saving this this is the only program that enforces the housing code. we only heard people come today and talk about enforcement of the housing code that is ours. that is that is who we are that is not maybe the most we talk about. we usually talk about permits. >> we talk about new construction. but the housing code belongs to this department and the responsibilities and the vision behind it and the mission behind it do too. >> i can't agree more and i associate myself with commissioner chavez's comments about the the importance especially now of having people who speak in language who can teach you your rights. you don't know how to enforce rights if you don't know that they exist, you don't know that they exist unless somebody is is inviting you to a place to hear it in your language. >> and so i think it is

imperative that we pass a budget that includes a pathway to funding this and if the mayor's office generously removes that funding, the 15% cut then that that should be the policy and that should go forward. but otherwise we this the history is that this program was funded for decades because it is fundamental to the housing code and in times of economic strength of the general fund and a decline for an hour budget the that the funding moved and then it was outside of our budget during the study so we are you know i, i think that there are a couple options we can also do something this you know this year as a stopgap in order to try to move something more

comprehensive next year. but i think that for me like we very comfortably just increased all the fees 3% for a technology program. i think we can also very comfortably think about another option that that makes the most vulnerable residents of our of our communities whole and so with that i would like to see if there are any other if there's any and emotions or any kind of comments directly on the action the the big should take. did you put your hand up? no and i'm trying to be thoughtful about just reminding folks about the memo that we received. >> yeah, the memo that we received is in line with this. >> all right. yeah, that memo i privilege,

right? >> yes. yes. all right. we can talk about it so either we're going to discuss it or we have to keep it privileged. so i think making yeah, we don't just do it without being able to discuss it is we don't have the authority to even describe it. so i would like to make a motion that we accept the the budget presented by the department with the amendment that we think that with recommendation number two increasing the hotel license fee by an average of 180% and the apartment license fee by an average of 7%. i would like to know what those numbers actually reflect before

committing to that. >> so 180 percent could be very different if it's a $5 fee versus if it's a you know, $10,000 fee. >> do you have a sense i don't have the numbers off the top of my head but i believe it is in the thousands of dollars for the hotel license fee and in the tens of dollars maybe 50 to 90 somewhere in there for the apartment license fee on on average there are different tiers depending on how many units an apartment or a hotel has and my understanding is that that this is because of the way that the funding has been allocated which you can see on one of these pages where you have divided hotels and sorrows into separate funding streams but that might not be the strategy moving forward. >> so i do think that this is a potential to be reorganized if the department has a recommendation regarding regarding how you will

allocation. so i think so anyway that's my motion. is there a second if not it does. >> okay. but there was a motion by president alexander to is there a second or any alternative motions or amendments? >> it was 14 hundred dollars. so the numbers we looked at is that incorrect that it was $1,400? >> what was $1,400 the hotel license fee increase? >> yes. >> is that correct that i would need to check but that could be that could be right. i know it was over $1,000. it could have been multiple thousands per per hotel. okay. >> well second okay.

can i propose otherwise? >> okay. yes, of course. can we discuss the the letter? have you sent the letter out to the other commissioners? the letter proposes all three options to the mayor and the board and perhaps that can be a good alternative. just moving to approve the recommend and the department's budget submission to the mayor and the board and to consider the options presented in this in this separate letter. >> so i think what what i would ideally like to do is to have a top recommendation and then a

tiered recommendation, a set of tiered recommendations and then that they could choose from with obviously the option of take it. but i don't feel comfortable just saying we recommend that you fill this gap for us and then just not have any kind of thinking behind what we put forward. the i think the the letter will reflect with the action of the bike because i don't have a thought no or whoever is present doesn't have that authority outside of that and it was our discussion that that was the to hold on distributing something until there was more kind of like wordsmithing get clarity in the policy direction. so i think that we can i think we can still continue to we can talk about the we can either let's see where this motion goes and i think we can either because my next recommendation would be to to to read this letter with our recommendation continuing the staff recommendation and and then to

say, you know and these are other alternatives that we consider that you could also consider. right. because we're not the ultimately this is board of supervisor and mayor legislation but i think it is strongest for us to to have a position at least a recommendation and if and we can go from there so just to clarify, staff's position was to send with all three recommendations and allow the board of supervisors and the mayor to make the decision as to which way we move forward. and what you're saying is you want to recommend option two which is taking increasing the licensing fee and the apartment the hotel fee and the licensing fee for apartments. >> yes. so because we can only do one thing at once we can make a very complicated motion if it's

easier for the board is i think that i would like to still send something. so i think there's a difference between sending a letter saying this is this is our best thinking and this is our thinking behind the budget versus like this is our policy direction and position that we'd like your consideration. >> and so i think that the what we send to the the board of supervisors and to the mayor should be we'd like your consideration on these on these staffing issues and we like we like we would like we believe that this needs to be made whole. these are some options this is the one we think is the most defensible but these are the other options that you have and so those can be policy conversation ones so that if somebody is like if for whatever reason that one doesn't have support that there's other menu of options because we are all looking at a menu of options. but i think it's yeah i don't i ,i don't i don't know that there's like a huge difference

except that we've taken up a more of a policy decision so but i'm here there's two separate things here there's the letter that is going to be sent that is separate from the motion that we're making and the recommendation that we're sending to the board on the budget. where is so what you're saying is your your stance is rather than the staff's recommendation which is option one and saying but there are also these other two options option two is our top choice and then there are these other two options to be clear, alex and i worked together on this so this is our collective i think our collective recommendation is this this slide and so i don't i still bill and so if we want to say if we want to amend the motion we can say so we this seems like a lot to do. okay we can recommend this the budget as presented with the amendment to fund the community grant program.

>> these are three options to do it we recommend number two like or we feel strongest vote number two or maybe if the group feels strongest on number three so i or maybe we should so we just take out the options and say like we can vote on the options as a separate amendment. i think maybe just get to the letter first and like with the menu of options. >> okay so can i could i which i, i don't know now those people wanting to speak do you how do folks feel the folks want to speak or would you be okay if i change my motion? yeah, i'm just curious about procedurally if this is typical of other commissions i, i think a menu of options sounds great. i don't know what the board of supervisors is going to pick however and i would i like the idea of hey you know if you don't like what we've chosen here other ones but you have to make a choice on this and we've made this choice. so having having one that we've said this is our amendment

makes me feel the most comfortable especially because i think with the directive that all general fund expenses are cut i don't think i don't see them closing this gap. those yes i'm sorry. so i, i think a letter makes sense and having a clear directive of this is our path forward. >> but my question remains is procedurally is this common and do other commissions say we recommend this but if you don't like our choice, here's our other options? >> no, i don't think it does. we're unique, okay? i think we're creative and very involved and and i think the reality is that they can say no to any of these arthritis actually in our interest to provide them as many opportunities to say yes as possible if we say we are going to go forward with just number two, they may not like that because that could upset constituents. >> exactly. and so they could say no thank you. >> we we're not going to do that. right. right. yeah.

i mean no, that's the reality. >> like let's be practical at deputy city attorney rob coppola i think probably procedurally the the actual action you're taking on the budget is to approve the budget with a recommendation that this shortfall be funded and then the letter would discuss your considered options for funding. >> oh rob you are treasurer. yes. okay. that makes sense to me. okay. so yeah we can do that look so let's do that and then we can talk about the menu of options and a preferred one at the later so thank you i, i, i love that clarity. does that make you feel comfortable? >> do i feel much better about that? and now i have the clarity i was looking for to lower my hand of i just want to say i appreciate how engages commissioners so okay my new motion is that we passed the budget with the amendment as recommended by the staff with the amendment that the

community grant funding be fully funded and we'll talk about that in a subsequent motion. second okay. so there's a motion by president alexander two and a second by commissioner williams that correct? >> okay. and do a roll call vote on the motion president alexander to yes. vice president shattuck yes. commissioner chavez yes. commissioner ming yes. commissioner newman yes. commissioner williams yes it the motion carried unanimously . >> thank you. so procedural wise my thinking is we can do the letter next and then if there's a recommendation of a favorite after that does that sound okay? so i would like to make another motion that the president on behalf of the bic send a letter encouraging the hiring of our staff positions and also

recommending at least the three recommendations here on page 18 as possible ways to restore the grant funded program. >> so okay. and would you like to help me draft it? sure. okay. or whoever is in the seat okay . it's so the motions by president alexander to and the second regarding the letter who is the secretary of chavez mr. chavez second i'll do a roll call vote on that motion. president alexander two yes. vice president shattuck yes. mr. chavez yes. commissioner ming yes. commissioner newman yes. and commissioner williams yes. a motion carries unanimously. okay. thank you. okay. thank you. deputy director.

i would like to see if anybody has a favorite option. >> okay. aside from the general fund which i think is obvious. okay. thanks everyone. >> so we are on to item three or two. >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. we still have another motion so we're going to come up with a possible yeah, okay. >> we have another one. all right. all right, we'll do that. we have three motions. okay, mr. williams so yeah, it'd be the best would be if the board of supervisors so i think they should. but between 2 and 3 my preference would be for number three because i think in the theme of not causing a shock to any of our constituents that would be more aligned with that. i think it's more equitable, arguably more equitable and you know we're already many of our fees are already underpriced.

so i think just is more of a bringing it up a little bit towards what it actually should be. >> so that would be my preference. oh i was just for you. so so my preference is the first one of course you know as someone who is deeply engaged in economic development, you know our economy has not recovered or nowhere near where we need to be and just the i just cringe when i see fees being imposed on anybody at this time maybe a little while back, you know, a couple of years ago that would have been okay. but i'm sorry, i just i just cringe. so i would prefer the board of supervisors find i know they can do it. i'm sure they will do it. i'm pretty confident they'll do it. but i just feel better with number one. but that's that's just my opinion. >> oh okay.

not a really yeah i would say microphone i would say my second favorite would be the increase the ebay fees across the board that would seem like that's commissioner williams said at the most equitable seemed like like my real second favorite really but i wonder strategically i that they'll say we can't do that okay here's i don't know what that's like mm hmm. chess yeah he may second they're having trouble hearing so i'm turning on everybody's microphones just so you know, it's turn on everybody's microphone right now. >> yeah. yeah. i mean, it knows that i would

be great if and try to speak directly into the microphone please. >> i'm sorry. yeah, of course i would hope that the general fund would support this but i. i don't anticipate that being the case. i think it makes some sense to to offer a number three and move forward that way. otherwise it i don't but i actually don't know if i'm all that i'm partial towards any of them. i just want to make sure that there are those options and that there is something that they can move forward on. but if you want if you might have more context, commissioner alexander to um i also like number three that i think they like number two for strategic reasons but i think that the like nothing is free in the

city and the cost of doing business is the cost of doing business and we are our fees have to cover our our costs and i actually think this is a model program that i would like to have repeated for our small business community. i would like to see this repeated this model for homeowners who are doing repairs who are like kind of in between like should i do it the right way and get that the permit process which i don't understand or not like i actually think that this model is would be so helpful expanded throughout. i do think that bringing people into compliance, bringing people into the code, bringing people like helping people through the system so that they're not spending tons of money, they're paying way more money on this and they are expeditors and they are on this like i just think that this is this is a model for us to consider. and so i i'm also comfortable

with number three and so i'd like to i guess number one is my favorite and number two number three is what i would say we recommend if if that's not possible. >> and so in that light i would say so we're going to write the letter that has all these options and the recommendation would be to increase fees so my okay so i make a motion that we recommend number one and number three as our most favorite options in the letter we continue to mention number two . second, we're saying that the letter would say we hope that you would our recommendation is that you fill this gap and if you don't we're we're increasing fees by one point. >> okay. very yes. deputy city attorney rob cap i think with the way we recommended the budget have that stopgap and then the default is that it would come

from general fund we would the letter would address should this not be extended to the general fund we recommend option three fantastic. >> second that motion. okay. >> so there's a motion by president alexander to add and a second by commissioners chavez and i'll do a roll call vote and president alexander two yes vice president shadegg yes. commissioner chavez yes. commissioner ming yes. >> commissioner newman yes. commissioner williams yes. the motion carries unanimously . >> i just want to say thank you to the commission and this has been a long journey and thank you to the department. thank you to alex. thank you director. this has been a long journey for us to really kind of figure out and understand and thank you to the community who come out constantly. >> it just it's just really

nice to try and figure out solutions together. >> so thank you. >> thank you. so and commissioner newman, i will be writing the letter together and i believe that the rule is that we cannot have more of a quorum working on the letter so is that correct? i, i will have to speak to city attorney about how to best a collaborator do that. >> i, i think we can have probably two but less than quorum is that right? >> and the quorum is four i'm sorry deputy city attorney rob i'm not sure i heard the whole question. >> oh, my question was in terms of drafting like including of anyone else in drafting the the letter i understand we can't have a quorum working on the letter. is that correct? so we have to i may have missed i thought you delegated this to the president and commissioner newman so yes that would you can collaborate together but

you would not be able to share it outside to a quorum of the of the big just that that's what i wanted to confirm okay thank you and is it okay because they they are on a subcommittee together so is that okay a separate subcommittee a separate that does not do budget. >> okay. no issues? >> no it does not do but you don't have a budget committee. okay. thank you. >> we could have a budget committee. >> so are we done with the budget item? yes, i think so. we are on to our next item then is thank you everyone for coming on. item number three election of vice president and vice president and just to i guess refresh everyone's memory for election of the president vice president and they'll begin with nominations for the office

from members no second shall be required for nominations so we are here to all of your support in speaking about the commissioner's terms. yeah, the commissioner's terms the majority of the commission's terms are up or up in june. but this the elections are annual that is separate the president isn't there or the vice president isn't there and then they have an election like we did last night for that. >> oh that's okay. >> so you just in july or august so just do it in this yeah i know i'm up in july 1st out. madam secretary, is there any motion for the office of president i nominate

commissioner alexander to maintain her role as president . is there a second a second second. mike thank you. and are there any other motions i'm seeing and then i'll do a roll call vote on this motion for commissioner alexander to as president by commissioner chavez and seconded by vice president shattuck and the roll call vote mr. alexander to vote yes vice president shattuck yes and mr. chavez yes. commissioner ming yes and commissioner newman and commissioner williams yes. okay. the motion carried unanimously and congratulations. >> president all right.

okay then the next is for office of vice president is there a motion for vice president? >> yes. i would like to oh, i didn't raise my hand. >> i'm sorry. you were first. i'd like to nominate commissioner shattuck. i i wasn't going to pick him but if it is there and see what happens is that okay? >> so there's a motion by commissioner newman and a second but commissioners, will you deputy city attorney again no seconds are necessary for oh okay. okay. yeah no so i just read that this is so confusing i'm pile up. so there's one motion for commissioner shattuck as vice president is there another motion? there are no other motions. then we'll do the roll call

vote president alexander two yes and commissioner shattuck? >> yes. commissioner chavez. yes. commissioner ming yes. commissioner newman. >> yes. commissioner williams? yes. hey, congratulations on our vice president, president and okay i was going to roll those cards. >> i didn't say about the comment but there was no public in attendance. there is no public remotely calling for public comment for that item but there is no public in attendance we are on now tonight item four discussion and possible action to appoint commissioners to serve on the litigation committee that the current members are our commissioner williams commissioner alexander tute and commissioner newman with all of the existing members like to continue to serve or yes.

>> okay that a yes yes. yes. okay so it's such an important committee so again for two current members of the litigation committee or commissioner williams commissioner alexander to commissioner newman is there a motion to reappoint the existing members? i'll yes, i'll make a motion to reappoint the existing yes. >> thank you. and is there a second? >> i thought the motion of commission vice president shattuck the second by commissioner ming is there any public comment? there's no public and attendance. >> i'll do a roll call vote on item four president alexander two yes and vice president addicks yes. commissioner chavez yes. commissioner ming yes. >> commissioner newman yes. commissioner williams yes. the motion carries unanimously. thank you. and next we are item five

discussion and possible action to appoint commissioners to serve on the nominations subcommittee. the current members are commissioner shattuck and commissioner ming. would you both like to continue to serve and we are we have an opening. we need a third member i'm sorry not mean i was just there for a look chavez i'm looking i'm looking at i'm looking at commissioner being the thinking chavez so commissioner chavez the commissioners sat every meeting like this. >> yes. maybe that's why i was looking at you. >> that's funny. >> i but but anyway, chavez would like to join us and you know, i mean the commissioner may like to join us. >> i'd like to nominate commissioner ming. i agree. i thank you. yes. second, if we're allowed second that we're not and i know there's a nomination we'll

accept. >> will you accept the nomination? okay. >> thank you. so then the members of the for selection for the nomination subcommittee are commissioner shattuck, commissioner chavez and commissioner ming which i mean do you know what it is to you? nominations. yeah. see what i give us so yeah it's i think it's a great it's a great place to to land yeah it's a it's kind of it's a good committee for newer commissioners to begin because what it what it is is that the big oversees subcommittees the board of examiners, the access appeals commission and the code advisory committee and when there are vacancies on those committees then the nominations subcommittee of the big helps assess to fill that like you would review resumes and to help select the best candidates to fill the seats and typically there are san francisco residents are requested

typically to fill those seats and there will be a meeting soon. but however that this commission is a committee is another way to kind of get your feet wet because they don't meet every month. they just they just meet as needed. >> they meet on an as needed basis. okay. yeah. and it's great you're like reviewing resumes of, you know, technical professionals so you kind of bring your recommendations for who you think fits you know that the bill yeah yeah that's also a good one. >> we actually reason we received some applicants this time so that was very very happy to hear that we received we received multiple applicants so thanks to the department for assisting us with their advertising as well and we also have that item at our public advisory meeting. okay so there is a motion regarding those three commissioners and is there any public comment on the motion?

>> nope. public in attendance i'll do the roll call. vote for the item president alexander two yes vice president shattuck yes. mr. chavez. yes. commissioner ming yes. commissioner newman. yes. commissioner williams yes. okay. the motion carried unanimously . hey thank you everyone. next we are on to item six is adjournment. >> is there a motion to adjourn moved that second all commissioners in favor? >> i i we are now adjourned it is 11:30 a.m.

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