. welcome everyone to the our city our home oversight committee. it's january 23rd, 2025 and we're going to start with a call we're going to call this meeting to order so we'll start with roll call. >> thank you chair williams vice chair de antonio member friedman here member haddix hear member jackson. >> absent member preston here member shifrin your member martinez.

absent member walton here chair williams president thank you. >> we have a quorum right? we do have quorum so we'll start with our land acknowledgment. this is the raw material only land acknowledgment. so we acknowledge that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the roma to challenger who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula as indigenous stewards of this land in accordance with their traditions the roma to challenge have never ceded lost nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory as guests we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors elders and relatives of the dramaturge community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. thank you. all right. so we'll go to general public comment and i'll turn it over to you members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person. please line up at the podium

now members of the public who wish to provide public comment over the phone please call (415) 655-0001 enter access code 26636299007 then press lb and then lb again dial star three to line up to speak. please wait until the system indicates that you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the. >> hello? can everyone hear me all right? yes. yeah. >> good morning, committee members. i've prepared a small thing to read. my name is michael taylor but people call me free. i'm a legally disabled resident of san francisco and i currently live in a permanent supportive housing program provided by the city. i'm one of many who have been directly impacted by abuse and negligence within nonprofits

funded and overseen by san francisco's department of homelessness and supportive housing. >> today i am here because i would like to bring to your attention serious concerns i have about one of your members jennifer freedom bok. she is a member of this committee and the director of the nonprofit known as coalition on homelessness and the fall of 2023 i met with jennifer freedom bok in person in her office at the coalition on homelessness to discuss the cover up of the sexual abuses perpetrated by kristen klemski, the former co-director of taking it to the streets, a nonprofit that was funded and that was funded by the department of homelessness and supportive housing. >> despite credible reports from multiple clients including myself and the subsequent closure of that program, no action was taken to report these sexual abuses to the sfpd the district attorney or adult protective services. during our meeting jennifer friedan explicitly acknowledged to me that she had knowledge of a cover up of these sexual abuses and that it involved members of the department of homelessness and supportive housing.

afterward, i repeatedly tried to contact her and the coalition on homelessness to discuss how she might go about contacting the authorities with this information she claimed to have about the sexual abuses committed against myself and my fellow clients. i never received any contact and that's why i'm here today. that's all i really have to say . >> thank you for your comments . thank you. do we have any more in-person public comment? thank you. >> hi. my name is frank tribble. i'm an overnight lyft driver throughout san francisco around the tenderloin area and i have a good opportunity to talk to homeless people and emergency and there's one problem that seems like to be solved out there because i always ask them where the mobile bathrooms are . >> so my show this one over there three blocks away,

another one over four blocks away but they're not open all the time. and then i was talking to one merchant why don't they get more bathrooms? he said where are you going to put them in front of my store. merchants don't want them bathrooms in front of their store. i can understand that but i'm shopping somebody else. and one possibility of solving that problem is to make some kind of rotation system for those portable bathroom doors. >> you know it's set up so well you could a truck and pull up one of them things you're all in period five minutes you have that move five blocks away. i could go around some kind of rotation system and i know that we got a lot of smart people in this city. i pick them up too, you know, and if you put some kind of meeting together to come up with some kind of rotation plan that will solve the problem because one big problem i'm always here oh, the corner

bathroom here, the one bathroom there we have two. >> and when you have an event in golden gate park i need a committee to get the bathroom out there. those people are out there and a little respect and dignity. let's get them some bathrooms. i can't imagine that it'll be a budget problem. >> as simple as it is to move this bathroom here over to there. it seems like a simple problem. >> you know, it's just if you actually i'm not only advocating for the homeless, i'm also advocating for the merchants. the merchants don't want that bathroom in front of their place all the time. >> and i do know thank you for your on general line. there's a lot of different spots you put those bathrooms for maybe one day, two days or the bathrooms over here for a week. >> but it's just kind of a no

brainer. and thank you so much for your comments. my time. >> okay. thank you. that's all i wanted to say. thank you for your comments. do we have any other in-person public comments? seeing none. this concludes in-person public comment and for the record there are no additional phone public comments. this concludes the public comment section. >> thank you so much. okay. at this time we'll move to approval of the minutes from december 16th, 2024. is there any amendments to the minutes? is there a motion for approval? i move to approve. so it's been moved by member walton. i'll second move by member r seconded by member haddix and i don't see any discussion so we can go to a vote. public comment or public comment. members. members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person please line up at the podium now. members of the public who is who excuse me who wish to

provide public comment over the phone please refer to the instructions posted at sfx of slash o c o h. wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the phone. for the record we do not have any in person or over the phone. public comments. this concludes public comment for this agenda item. >> thank you. we'll go to a vote for their vote. >> vice chair de antonio. yes. member of freedom park. yes. member haddix. yes. member jackson. >> yes. member preston. yes. member shifrin. yes. member martinis. absent member walton yes. chair williams yes. thank you. >> the motion passes. thank you so much. all right.

so we'll now get into a discussion about our community impact liaison role. at our last meeting we got folks into all of our liaison roles. so thank you for all of those who signed up. i notes additional work that you're doing but we really appreciate it. so the community impact liaison role is currently being held by vice chair. while you were supporting that role so i would love to hear from vice chair dantonio on this as well. just some of the responsibilities of that role. you are doing double duty so thank you for that as vice chair and as in this role. so yeah, could we hear from you based on the antonio about some of the work that you did with this role? >> chair williams before we do that it's going to be that's not a role that we currently have. i know that you all did at historically but it's just not a current role that we have. so before you kind of talk about it. it would just mean that vice chair is drawing from a previous experience. >> yeah. okay. thank you for that. so why should he antonio?

>> yeah. thank you. so the community impact me is on role was really in charge charge and like supporting the department and the committee in general and accessing feedback from community members people with lived experience basically all stakeholders so designing our listening sessions. i will also say that a lot of the role was having people reach out who wanted more information on proxy especially very early on community members trying to better understand, you know, what our impact was, what our role is that kind of stuff. um yeah. i mean i think it is a really important role but i'm not going to lie it's it's a heavy lift like it takes a lot of work. >> i would say i personally

think it was one of the heavier lifts of the liaison roles just because you are sort of that intermediate area with community and so a lot of people are sort of relying on you even when we're not in these meetings to provide like what's going on. i think a big push i was trying to do was around our comms which i know has come up many times. i remember how i brought it up just because i feel like that would have probably relieved a lot of the back and forth and and just people reaching out confused about yeah like i think creating more digestible content was one of my goals and i don't think that that got achieved. >> i think that we have a good framework for our listening sessions moving forward so a lot of that build that happened in the beginning i think you know can kind of proceed on its own. but i do think if we were to bring back this role that the comms question about like what communications and like our

role of like creating digestible content i think that would be probably a useful role for for this person if we do decide to to bring it back as a liaison role. um yeah i guess i'll answer any questions if you have questions but i feel like that was pretty much what i was doing. >> um also a lot of like coding the data originally like before we had our consultants just making sure that like our report and our data was something like again i think a lot of it was comms honestly there was not there. >> oh thank you so much. is there any further discussion or any questions of member walton a question both to you. member dantonio and also member freedom park because of your long history with this i know it seems like this was an active role what in the first 1 or 2 years of the committee when did it when was it active and when did it fall off because it's not a role now i

think i think about a year ago yeah we ended up combining it with actually your position. oh yeah. and so that was the thought that the data officer would also do like comes in and like get get community input and i think what we've found since then is that that activity that part of it kind of dropped off and so and so then yeah so it in terms of doing like listening sessions and stuff like that we haven't done it. >> we had a much smaller committee too. >> i think that was part of it. it was just like capacity wise exactly fine roles but now that we're bigger i think it could make sense of somebody is willing to take that on. but yeah for the listening sessions yeah and like i think like i know for me actually me and ruby were just talking about this i want to was part of shelter liaison do some listening sessions in um some of the shelters that we're funding and and so like the way we did it before when julia was

in the position is is that we kind of acted as a thought partners in terms of how to do it and then julia went with me and then you know it was just kind of like so there was two of us there one to take notes and one to you know and then we had like certain questions and facilitated a conference like a whole group conversation with all the residents was really great know we got a lot of deaf stuff and then the other huge thing we did was bike glide and glide really helped us with this is we did a huge like the well was during the pandemic said the street was blocked off and then we had a big table and then we had like this way for all the unhoused people and everyone really who were coming for lunch there to come in engage in questions about how the funding should be used. and so we had like these questions and these big boards that people could ride on and then we gathered it. we ended up getting input from 400 people on and so that was really i think really productive and fun and and it

was a fair amount of work. i mean we did get a lot of help from glide. we did like they provided us with volunteers and stuff like that but like then pulling the information together after and you know that's a piece of it also. >> yeah. thank you. i mean it does make sense that it ties in with the data officer position and if the liaison's to the specific program areas want to look at doing listening sessions within their area i'm happy to partner because i do think we want 2 or 3 of our committee people at each of these so that we have the breadth of knowledge that we build for the committee. um so and then also i think with different listening sessions and so forth we may want to look for core questions that we ask across the board so we get some comparatives. >> yeah, that's what we did on the listening sessions we had we had like these for i think it was like five questions we asked everybody yeah. although it didn't line up with some of the yeah but anyway

yeah there was some other stuff that we did that we did differently like so yeah well and in line with what we discussed last time about the fact that liaisons will will have the ability to have up to three other members of the committee present or those meetings with the providers. i think that we can build this in with what we're doing if we don't have somebody that's interested in taking the leadership to coordinate it, i'm happy to participate as the data officer or if i continue to be that with the vote. i mean but the point is i think that might be the way to go to get this back active because i agree i think it's useful for us to have as many ears to the to everybody as possible. >> thank you so much member walton i want to continue that discussion. member jackson i know you at the last meeting expressed some interest in community engagement. i don't want to miss your voice in this.

so what are your thoughts on this role? i'm sitting here and i'm listening and just listening to what you say how what happened at glide and being able to sit back and get the voice of the voiceless and get all the information and i believe that it's an awesome, awesome role. i believe that is something that is needed and i believe is something that we should move forward with because you know that's that's what it's all about. it's all about being the voice of the voice is all about hearing what the people got to say and bringing these services to the people. so you know, i'm a firm believer that we got to get in the trenches into here what they want to be able to open the doors for. so i'm all for it yeah membership for yeah i, i completely agree i think hearing more from folks directly impacted it's

essential to what julie was saying to around it's a lot of work for the community impact liaison role to do so low and what member walton was saying is does it make sense to like given your experience doing it is there a way to break out the scope um, you know like where it's like instead of you being on the hook to organize like five listening sessions maybe it's like one um, and then also what's the role of staff in supporting any of this like i want to answer really quickly too because i know in the beginning we had it was a heavy lift because we did multiple stakeholders. i feel like in the beginning we were really trying to get that information to feed into like the beginning of this committee, right? so i think that it can be reduced some of the scope because we were doing providers numerous listening sessions with multiple community based orgs in the beginning and i think we can scale that down

now and really target probably folks who lived experience because the experience on the streets has changed since we started that journey and maybe not so much on the provider side but rather um i'll just respond for on a i can't hear you if you want to you hear me now? yeah. okay can you kind of low gets low i'll just try to speak a little bit louder. >> um so just a couple of things to know that haven't been brought to you all yet but we are working on the needs assessment and that's going to be published in december and at the next meeting you'll sort of hear about the details of all of the various components of the needs assessment and lived experience input will be one of those major components of the needs assessment and to member shiffrin's question about staff

time, that's where the staff time will be allocated towards all of the sort of initial work that you all were doing within the community in the beginning of the fund was to kind of work through the investment plan was to really get the fund up and going and now that looks differently and so because the needs assessment will happen every three years our staff time is dedicated to bringing in those voices that are of course are really important to that committee during that process. in addition i do want to highlight that we have brought in providers and unity care was here a couple of months ago so as there is room in our scheduling and as providers are available we're trying to bring them in because we've heard through the work planning process that that's something you all would like to do. so just a refresher that that's sort of also happening amongst these committee meetings as you set up the things for the needs

assessment is there are opportunities where it might make sense for us to like piggyback on any of that like join in on meetings or or membership in the way that the needs assessment process will work is that we will bring to you sort of that content along the way and so i'm not sure about we haven't worked through the exact details of you know, what that might look like but we should definitely talk offline if you have it. >> yes, about that. so so the question on the table right now is do we reactivate this liaison role sort of that's that's embroiled i just i i'd like to check in. i mean jennifer's already said she wanted to hold some listening sessions within her liaison role. i'm wondering how the other liaison's feel about that same type of thing within theirs because that's maybe speaks to membership friends comment about dividing things up a bit

. yeah. i also got you i think you're going to say something i was just going to add that any any additional work than what i've laid out for the liaison roles to do will not include staff time. >> yeah cause i think that's a good clarification. i got it. i guess like i just got it. yeah. yeah, yeah. >> maybe than leaning on other members like as as someone who's taken on one of the committee things i, i am definitely interested in saying okay related to the specific committee what does the right community engagement look like? i think the thing that i would need help with especially from a time perspective is who are those right stakeholders? who's going to do the reach out like you know all of that kind of the logistics and planning on that and then i'm happy to execute. >> i just in thinking about needs the needs assessment i

think so what we're hearing is that a lot of input is going to go into the needs assessment and so i guess as a liaison i'd like you know i'd like to be aware of, you know, the design of the needs assessment and what we can expect to get out of that and then see if the committee feel like they would like more information than what the needs assessment is going to provide in the area of prevention radical to the point in terms of partnering with committee members around some of the lived experience work. what are you thinking in regards to that because i think that will help inform this conversation to i think most definitely we would like to include the data officer in the needs assessments because it's a yearlong project that we're working on that that will require very frequent sort of

interaction with the planning and sort of all of the work and checking in along the way with the needs assessment. but that's sort of as far as we've made it in terms of a routine cadence involvement and then we would bring the content to the committee, you know as it's as it's more ready to share with you all along the way so you will hear about all of this next month. but our intention is to bring you all sort of parts of the needs assessment given how large it is and scope that it would be too difficult to bring it all at one time at the very end. and so the idea is to bring you all along as we're working on it, right, member walton in light of that and it's i mean member freedom but obviously you already have some ideas about what you would do. it sounds like some of our other liaison's are question that unless if we want to create this role today great if

we don't i'm willing as data officer to reach out to each liaison and collect what their questions are, what their thoughts are and so forth to bring back to the committee next month which also might be information that's useful as the needs assessment is more fleshed out. um and that way again that i'm very concerned that whatever we do across individuals or small sections of the of this oversight committee is done in a way that it fits together. um so you know we're asking questions that have some basis in similarity although obviously different areas. so that's something i'm willing to do in the interim unless we are of a mind that we want to and create this additional role. >> yeah, i would love to hear more discussion on that point. do we want to reactivate the community? please unroll and then we'll figure out alternates if we don't want to do that. but i just really want to hear from the committee on that

piece. >> yeah, yeah i love the idea of rolling it into the needs assessment if there's a way to do that without taking more step type of but but i do love that because i find that a lot of times everything is based on numbers and not on human experience and you don't get you know, the stuff around you know how people are treated and you know i mean it's just like you see like a lot of exits out of programs but you don't you know so and i do think we can do it in a way where we have uniformity but i think it would probably be uniformity per section because i do think like the questions about prevention are going to be different than the questions we ask in shelter . >> i really do love the idea of having a separate role if we have a member that's willing to do it because because i think it would be kind of a you know it would be like yeah, it's like there's going to be a whole bunch of there's going to

be whole bunch of stuff for the data officer to do during the needs assessment stuff. so this is going to be like a real thing and then you and then we're working together. so obviously the data officer would be part of like if you did we did do it as a separate role and then let's just give the example not to be self-referential of the shelter liaison. the three of us would be kind of working together and then we could bring in other members and stuff like that. but but i think that kind of creates a nice division of labor that that doesn't burn out any one member, you know? and so yeah so i do i do like that and i think also i would be you know is scott is scott's basically like i'm you know put some time into this i can put some time into it also to support people so like if member jackson like let's say

for the prevention one and we want to figure out who who would be good people i would be happy to be a thought partner on thinking about what are kind of like existing groups of prevention providers that are like coalitions that already meet and the list of them and all that kind of stuff. so there's yeah so anyway that yeah but i in some i, i think having a separate role if we have someone willing to do it is great because then i think it kind of like expands our capacity yeah thank you member feedback any member president oh no no i'm just thinking about it and i also i'm thinking that each of us does have kind of a network of people that we can draw upon. so if there was a committee member just to kind of try to organize us in going forward with our communications and community outreach, i think

that we could all be helpful and i'm i'm certainly willing to support if we have a liaison role to support where i can with comms and outreach. >> member haddix yeah i think that member frieden buck idea is a great plan a a member um did officer walton's suggestion is a great plan b if we can't if there's no one on the committee that can commit to the to the role and the amount of time it's going to take and i will just because i'm talking now i don't have the time to commit yet so i don't want to assume that anybody else here has that time. >> thank you. member haddix is there i guess so in terms of the question on reactivating is there a motion we've heard from the committee we just need a motion to reactivate this lease on role. >> well can one to winston

hammett i have one more comment to make just because it's also how i would look at this role as the as a community outreach and and i do think even if we don't have a person to do it that you know it it's a need right so in in the committee we need to have that community input in all of the different communities. but one the comment that i wanted to make was and i i'm relatively new i don't i wasn't involved in the early days of these meetings but i do think that this effort that the city's undergoing to tackle homeless issues we need to bring people along. we need to bring the city along so while we hear from people who do not have a voice often in our deliberations, the homeless, the people who need this this work to be done well

,we also need to i'm very interested in this also bringing actual neighborhood communities and the people who fund these programs along with us because that's how we're going to be successful is to make people understand why you know, the humanity in this work and what it's what it's moving for. >> so that's something i wanted to bring to this committee is really to make sure we're communicating to the people of san francisco and the people who are paying for these services what the needs are as well. you know, just so i just wanted to make that comment. thank you. remember preston just want to make a statement that even if we re-activate the role and there's no one to take it, that's fine. >> we can say oh and that's true. and you know and then at some point folks can decide to, you know, change your mind. >> but it's just really about the role, the importance of this. i think it's an important important role and would definitely support to reactivate it even if we don't

have a member willing to step into it at this time i'd like to make that motion. i'll make a motion to reactivate the community liaison community impact liaison role. >> thank you member moved by member freedom but is there a second i second it seconded by a member preston we have to go to public comment yes members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person please line up at the podium now members of the public who wish to provide public comment over the phone please refer to the instructions posted at s-curve slash o c o h wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the phone. hello again committee.

i'm michael taylor. i have just the briefest concerns i'd like to raise about inbox involvement in these listening groups given my experience and reporting abuse to her within the programs that she will be doing these listening groups in and my concerns that current members and people in these programs will report other abuse to her and it won't be reported to the authorities. i want to make sure that there's a policy put in place so that if that sort of thing is reported to these people going around doing the listening groups that this committee knows how to properly report that abuse. >> thank you. thank you. i just want to clarify that i had in this situation said that i heard a rumor that there was a cover up. i don't have any firsthand knowledge. i did call the police after this gentleman came to my office and let the the he police station know this. they told me that because i didn't have any direct knowledge i couldn't do anything in that and that people who did experience this needed to file police reports

for action so i this particular contractor did lose their funding. i don't know directly why like i said, i heard a rumor and it's really unfortunate and i'm really sorry that that you went through this, michael, but i don't think it's fair for you to target me so so sorry we're going to we can't have this dialog during the meeting so thank you so much for your public comment. raise quickly sir. thank you for your public comment. we're going to end this this comments we have to end that. all right. so is there any other in-person public comment? okay. thank you, chair williams so this concludes in-person public comment and for the record we do not have any additional over the phone public comments. >> this concludes the public comment section of this agenda item. okay. thank you. thank you everyone. so at this time we have a motion that's been moved and seconded and we're going to go to a roll call vote and this is to reactivate the community impact. >> please roll. thank you vice chair d'antonio

yes. member freedom book yes. member haddix yes. member jackson yes. member preston yes. member shifrin yes. member martinez absent member walton yes. >> chair williams yes. thank you. the motion passes. >> all right. so the community impact is on roll has been reactivated. >> is there any nominations for the roll at this time i'll nominate member jackson well second, do you accept the nomination member jackson no. oh dear. of course i was separated. >> i just asked that so walk with me through this. >> you know next couple of months is big for myself but i'm a team player, man.

>> so call the play and i'll run it. all right. >> so we'll go to public comment. can members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person please line up at the podium now. members of the public who wish would provide public comment over the phone please refer to the instructions posted at s.f. dot gov slash otoh wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the phone. for the record there are no in person or over the phone public comments. this concludes the public comments section. thank you chair williams and just everyone in the committee and we haven't really fleshed out what this person is going to do so just wanted to raise that later in today's meeting you're going to hear about the budget process. so if you all would like for

this liaison role to play a role in the budget process, that's probably worth figuring out. thank you. thank you so much. so we'll now move to a roll call vote and the community and pac liaison role and thank you for williams and just for the record may we so it was moved by vice chair dantonio i second seconded by member frieden thank you. all right moving on to our vote. vice chair dantonio yes. >> member freedom book yes. member haddix yes. member jackson yes. member preston yes. member shifrin yes. member martinis absent member walton yes. >> chair williams yes. >> so congratulations glen for jackson and thank you and thank you for each thank you important role. thank you so much everyone. so we'll now move to our officer elections and the way the process will go is that we're going to take public comment for the entire item.

we will take nominations for all three roles once we get all those nominations collected will then go to a vote. so is there any public comment on officer elections? >> we'll just start there. we should have discussion. you want to go before? yeah. >> do you want to go to the nominations first? yeah, we can have the committee discuss. >> okay and we'll do public comment. awesome. all right. so let's start with committee discussion. is there any discussion on the rules? i would like to nominate the current chair and vice chair to continue in their roles if they're willing to do that. >> so vice chair dantonio yes. second accept and i'll accept as well. is there any nominations for data officer i'd like to nominate two current data officers got walton to continue in his role and i second do you

accept data officer walton yes. yes. all right. all right. so we have nominations. is there any additional nominations before we go to public comment? all right. seeing none we'll go to public comment. thank you. members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person, please line up at the podium now. members of the public who wish to provide public comment over the phone please refer to the instructions posted at jeffco slash o c o h wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the phone. for the record there are no in-person and or over the phone public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> okay. thank you. all right. so we'll now move to a roll call vote on all three the

chair, vice chair and eight officer um maybe just get one clarifying motion for all of yes. yeah. i move to nominate scott walton as data officer chair williams to continue as chair and vice chair dantonio to continue as vice chair. >> all right is there a second second seconded? it's also been moved by member haddix and seconded by member frieden back we don't need to take public comment on this so move to a roll call vote on the motion. >> thank you. vice chair dantonio yes. member of freedom buck yes. member haddix yes. member jackson yes. member preston yes. member shifrin yes. member martinez absent member walton yes. chair williams yes. >> thank you. all right. so we have a full slate of officers as well as liaison's. this is great. yeah. i just want us to just

appreciate the officers for stepping up and doing this and all the fabulous work you've already been doing. so each of you are really contributing and i think it's like a a really beautifully balanced team. >> so very nice. thank you guys. wonderful. it's so great to see this. all right. with that we're going to move to item six and a goals and possible impacts of proposition m i but we have folks here from the tax and treasurer's office. is that correct? well hello everybody. oh, look who it is amanda freed from. is this working? yeah okay. from the office of the treasurer and tax collector and this is kind of like a professional reunion because i used to work with many of you in other roles. >> so this is this is great. thank you for having me here today. >> i know everyone is always super excited to talk about taxes. >> i say that facetiously except jenny actually is which is weird but that's okay. >> i'm just going to take a second and get this open.

>> okay. are you all able to see this on the screen now? >> yes, i am. so proposition m is a measure that was on the november ballot in 2024 and it's most of it went into effect january 1st of this year. it was a very large overhaul effort of our business taxes and i will spare you a lot of the gory details of how business taxes work and what exactly is changing. but i'm going to try to give you enough information so you understand the impact of the homelessness gross receipts tax and prop c and just have some general framework as you sort of move ahead in your work. so thank you to the committee for inviting me. i will say that our role is really specifically around implementing the taxes themselves so i am not a budget expert and i will probably defer a lot of your if you have

specific questions around revenue and things like that to the comptroller's office. >> but happy to answer what i can. >> so the general goals of prop am were to reform the business tax system to better reflect a post-covid economy in san francisco and there were a few primary goals the first and the one that i think we want to talk about a lot today is really reducing the risk of tax loss because of remote work and business relocation. the second is reducing volatility and some of the risks that came from an overconcentration of business taxes on a small number of tax payers. >> the third was a broad simplification expert's effort so our taxes are really, really complicated. we have many of them and so the goal here was to try to simplify and streamline as much as possible and you know both for my own sanity because i

have to explain these things to a lot of different people but more importantly businesses were having trouble predicting what taxes they would owe to san francisco a year to year that came up a lot and the city was having you know, it was very difficult to predict revenue year over year because of the volatility and the complexity of the taxes and the last was really to promote greater equity for small businesses. >> so here's just a brief snapshot of what was happening in our business tax world landscape leading up to these changes we saw an 11 times increase in the average payment by the largest businesses and this was a clear policy choice. this wasn't by mistake. this was you know, this was a choice that the policymakers and some of you made, you know, to have taxes be more progressive. they were somewhat progressive and this made them more progressive. so over time we really saw the biggest businesses paying a lot

more by design. >> one of the issues with that was that there was an increased concentration risk. so what does that mean our top five tax payers and i'm not allowed to tell you who those are that's that's considered confidential. but in 2012 the top five tax payers paid 30 million which was 7% of our overall business tax revenue by 2022 that had gone up to 339 million or 24%. so basically our five top businesses were putting a quarter of our city's business tax revenue which is a large driver of the city's budget every year and you can see that that pattern really persists for the top ten and top 100 and is somewhat muted if you look at the overall business tax community and if you look at

that as compared to our other cities businesses in san francisco the same business so if you took the same profile of a like a large tech company that's what we're showing here on the top left. so they have $30 billion in total sales but 30 million in san francisco, 10,000 san francisco or local employees 4,000,000ft2 and 20% of their payroll is in the jurisdiction if you take that same profile and you kind of plop it around the bay area, here's what we would say that they pay in san francisco it would be about 35,000. but if that same business were to relocate to say santa clara it would be 4700 a year or redwood city for 3800 a year. so they were really paying a premium to be in san francisco and oh sorry that was actually no sorry that was their employment numbers.

their business tax liability is on the right sorry spoke too quickly so san francisco is about $40 million redwood city it was about $6,000 so there was a large gap in what the same company would pay. >> you know, regardless of where they went you'll see here i get this question a lot like whoa oakland like those numbers are even bigger than san francisco. they passed a lot of of new business taxes around this time as well. many of those are also being challenged in court so that i think we are all feeling feeling strong feeling good san francisco's revenues were looking good then covid hit. >> you know we're all sick of talking about covid but here we are as businesses and particularly our largest businesses went to remote work. >> it had a huge impact on the amount of taxes that they owed to san francisco. this is a analysis done by ted egan in the comptroller's office to show to sort of

estimate if companies hadn't transitioned into remote work in 2021. so if you assumed all the same facts but their workers were in-person versus remote, how much would they have paid? so this isn't really revenue lost but it's sort of like an opportunity cost. this is what we think we would have gotten. >> also keep in mind at this time and this is reflected here many of these companies were doing very, very well. so they were they were still paying quite a bit of taxes. and so you can see here that in our top three sectors the comptroller's office is estimating about $485 million in and in a loss or an opportunity cost that we could have gotten if the workers were in-person. and i want to explain a little bit of why this this exists the tax before prop em had different calculations of what

like the base was that companies used to calculate their taxes. so if you are like a small store let's say you have a bookstore in san francisco, your taxes are pretty straightforward. you tell us how much revenue you got in san francisco. so and it's it's based on that it makes a lot of sense but for larger companies those calculations got a little bit more bespoke. we tried to make them very targeted to each industry and that's because it's somewhat harder for companies that are selling software to estimate like what what their sales are in san francisco. that's a more complicated question. so for some of those industries a lot of our biggest industries it was really based on their payroll in san francisco so we liked to talk a lot about how we got rid of the payroll tax but embedded in our gross receipts tax was really a payroll tax, right? it was really saying okay, we're going to understand how many of your employees you're

paying in san francisco and base your tax rate on that your calculation factor on that which worked fine. it caused a lot of i would say fights we had with businesses because if we did it in a different way their taxes would be lower. so you might have seen many headlines over the years of us battling with different big corporations over their taxes and that's because they're saying oh you made us use this formula but we think we're in this category, we should use this formula. and there were lots of division between companies that thought they were similar. they said like we're the same as that company. why do we have to use this formula and things like that? so that's sort of the backdrop and that's about as technical as that gets. so you're off the hook now you can you can relax. >> so prop m changes that it reduces that penalty of having employees in san francisco because it really was both a risk factor because of covid and remote work but it also led to kind of increased competition in with other

jurisdictions where we just didn't look that good. right? they could move all their employees somewhere else and their taxes would drop pretty significant. lee so what we did in prop em was say let's group companies together much more. so we went from i think it was like 12 or 14 categories down to seven categories and we made all of their formulas pretty much the same. so unless you're like a hotel and everything you do is based on your like property in san francisco we're going to look 75% of your calculation is going to be based on what you sell into san francisco and only 25% is based on payroll and so that means that companies are treated more similarly than they were before there. they're still somewhat different tax rates but that calculation is the same and we think that that will help reduce that penalty of keeping your employees in san francisco bringing employees to san

francisco. and it also as i talked about the simplification and it really achieves greater predictability so businesses are better able to say i think this is how much i'm going to owe over the next few years to san francisco because i'm not going to be in this battle over which category i'm in. i don't have to read 100 pages of code to figure out how to do this and there's a lot of a lot of help for small businesses and prop em i'm not going to talk about that a lot here but if you're interested and i'm happy to answer questions about that but there's a whole lot of small business relief built in . i talked about this already this reliance on payroll apportionment. i'm going to go through this so let's talk about big c and how this impacts the homelessness gross receipts tax. >> i want to start by saying that all of the legally dedicated revenues are anticipated predicted designed to be exactly the same. so nothing is changing in terms

of like the you know, the broad allocation of revenues available and we didn't even touch a sentence of how the money is spent that wasn't part of prop m it remained completely untouched. the biggest change for prop c i would say there's a few the one of the biggest ones is there's a lot of reduced risk i would say for this tax base because big c was only for businesses with more than $50 million. all of those risks i talked about around like overconcentration businesses leaving san francisco remote work hit big c the most so big c was like the most vulnerable and so all of the things that we did to restructure and prop m will help over time with big c revenue. and the other thing that we did was expand the base of taxpayers. so whereas previously it was

businesses over 50 million now all businesses with more than 25 million in san francisco gross receipts are going to pay. >> so what does this mean your bases larger so the individual taxpayer is going to pay less because the overall receipts are supposed to remain the same. and so if 1 or 2 or ten companies leave san francisco it won't have as much of an impact. what i did want to highlight for the committee is we certainly expect to hear from businesses who are surprised by this come next year when they file for the first time their overall taxes to san francisco aren't changing. >> it's not like we've added this new tax in addition to what they were paying before. we've sort of reallocate it. so we said okay, if you were a midsize company and you had you know you were paying i'd say $10 million in the gross receipts tax, now you'll pay $7 million in the gross receipts tax and $3 million in the homelessness gross receipts tax. >> so their overall doesn't

change but we anticipate that they will be surprised when they come to file and see that they're paying this tax. so we're going to do our best to communicate that people, you know, honestly don't pay attention to their taxes until they have to. i think we all acknowledge that it's not everyone's favorite topic. so i just wanted to say that in case you start hearing like what did they do when it happened to big c that that's what happened as we changed the base but it doesn't impact their overall payments to the city in terms of the impact on the overall city budget. the package was designed to be revenue neutral over time. so what that means is there are some reductions in the first few years that are offset by some increases in out years. >> so in 2027 the taxes will go up by 4%. in 2028 they'll go up by 3%. so like over time this is revenue neutral but there's a bit of a reduction in the first few years and then an increase in that in the next few years

going forward. and i think that's everything. >> happy to take your question. thank you so much. all right. >> we're going to open it up to committee for any questions and comments and just want to thank you, amanda, for all your work . everything you're doing is just one comment. poor man. it had to do with me pushing and pushing that we get more money but my my revenue neutral concept was pre-pandemic but that was i read it all the way to my controller count that was not part of it. so but but i think i think the the big picture is is the kind of the progressive taxation the you know, the money going towards homelessness is totally preserved and so that's fantastic. and of course the small business relief is fantastic. and one thing amanda didn't talk about as much but they created higher categories so

the people who are like the big big corporations that are like a billion, you know so there's these you know ours is 25 million and it starts at the 25th million and then you're taxed on the money above that with with prop m but they created new levels higher than that and that helped offset the breaks to the small business. so it was a very progressive and very well thought out measure and so thanks for all your work on that. thank you. yeah i remember headaches. >> right? thank you for the presentation. i was like taking photos of all the slides really helpful. >> i did have one one question on the on the last slide with the i noticed that it's projecting that the economy will recover in the next three years. i wonder if you could elaborate on like what that means and also what happens if it doesn't . >> i i'm probably not the best person to do that.

i don't know if the committee wants to, you know, invite somebody from the comptroller's office to talk through the city's projections. i will say the team that does the revenue projections for business tax we work like this together so they're very closely looking at what comes in and economic indicators and then kind of building the city's projections based on the best possible information at the time. >> they're still projections. sure. so so like hypothetically if say we were just stay where we are now and and i also completely understand that it's an art in a science when it comes to, you know, economic predictions. you know, there's the the the projection that the revenue would you know, it's neutral right now but will increase, you know, starting in a few years. so basically that would mean it would just continue to kind of stay state neutral or at a decrease for a bit. >> and so yeah, i would say it depends who you ask. and one of the interesting

things being in my seat is that i hear from people who are very concerned that their revenues are going to decrease slightly in the first few years and then i talked to other people who are very concerned that they think the revenues are going to jump up very high in a few years and that the city is under projecting and so i think that, you know, gives me a little comfort that we've probably taken the right approach that comptroller's office is taking the right approach because i definitely hear from i hear both i hear both sides and i think both have credible concerns and we kind of have to wait and see now because it was passed. >> thank member preston yeah i just did probably a dumb question but when you referred to could you clarify what big c is and you made a comment that that this is what they don't like the most could you. >> so that was our shorthand for the homelessness gross receipts tax measure because it was on the ballot there was another i didn't know if it was exactly the same as pepsi or if you bunched other things. >> there's two properties so

one funds early child care. so in our world it's big c which is homelessness gross receipts that little c which is the commercial roads tax baby see yeah baby see and oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. okay sorry for that though. big c is our measure. yes. yeah i just wanted to make sure yeah. if too many c's member shiffrin thank you so much. >> i have a couple more questions. one is you said that part of the effort of this was to make it simpler like how is this simpler? that's great. what do we streamline? so i think the biggest simplification is that we went from, you know, a dozen different category. so if you were a business and you were filing you had to find your business activity, figure out which one you were in. it's not just a simple rate question you had each category had its own formula for how to calculate the tax that meant that if they made a mistake i'm

going to say that very generously let's say they made a mistake or let's say they took an aggressive position and picked a different category with a more favorable calculation. the difference could be $20 million like it could be these huge swings. and so then what would happen is we would figure that out in an audit and that would lead to a lot of litigation because we would say hey, you owe this with penalties and interest it. but you know, i think beyond just that confusion between the categories within the tax itself, it is it is complicated to figure out. so one of the things now with everyone moving to the percentage of sales in san francisco is we are very deep into the question of like how do you figure that out? and luckily the state has been doing this for about ten years and so we're we're able to really kind of track and follow a lot of a lot of the positions that they've taken. taxes are complicated and you know, i think particularly the

bigger a business gets and the more different types of things that they do, the more complex it is and so a lot of what we did around simplification was helping middle and small businesses so we exempted any business with less than 5 million in receipts san francisco receipts from the tax at all. so pretty much no restaurants are going to pay this any more. no small retail is going to pay this anymore and so the folks that are left in this universe we feel like, you know, we're going to do our best to help and communicate as clearly as possible. but they probably have the resources to be able to figure out what's left even though we've made it simpler. yeah, that's great. thank you. >> and then you were mentioning one of the changes is instead you're going to do 25% payroll tax and then what percent is the remaining gross receipts are how does that 70 5% so i'm calling it a pay it's not really a payroll tax but it's based on the payroll that you have in san francisco and 75% based on the sales in san francisco. >> got it. okay.

cool. and then this might be if you can't answer this no problem or even if you have a little bit of an educated guess but if this had passed last year, do you know how that would impact potential revenue coming into the city? i don't know offhand we can i'm sure someone has that but i don't have it. >> yeah, because i just wonder like based on that like instead of doing a future projection if you could look back a year and say based on that what how would that have changed prop c money yeah i mean i would say i know the comptroller's office has done that for each year and tried to you know, estimate for that but i don't that's not something i have. >> thanks so much. yeah thank you member for any other comments, questions or discussion. >> so great to see you and thank you for all your work and thank you for this presentation and we'll be in touch. you have further questions. all right. so yeah right. thank you. thank you. now we are going to go to public comment yes, public

comment. >> but before we do that i just wanted to address that our short url to the website is currently broken but we will work on fixing that. the website itself is totally fine so just wanted to acknowledge because we have been referring referencing the s.f. dot gov slash ocr which in our public comment section but the instructions are still available they just members of the public would just have to do i guess google the ocr website and they can access it through that but we'll work on fixing the short url. >> okay. just to repeat that so for public commenters out there just go to our city, our home, google that address and we'll take you to the right site as our short url is down. yes. oh thank you. thank you. all right. members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person, please line up at the podium now members of the public who wish to provide public comment over the phone

please refer to the instructions posted to the our city our home website. wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the phone. for the record there are no in-person or over the phone public comments. this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> thank you so much. we're going to now move to item seven which is fiscal year 20 2526 and fiscal year 2627 budget process and timeline discussion. >> i'm going to turn it over to radhika from the comptroller's office. >> okay.

so today we are officially kicking off our budget process for the next two years and we'll talk about both the process and the timeline and hopefully should have plenty of time for questions from you all . >> i'm great. so just as a refresher in case you're already familiar and for anybody that's new on the committee, hopefully this is just some good context setting about how the city's budget process works and what are the sort of major components. so the city participates in what's called a two year budgeting process. that means at any given time we prepare the budget for the next two fiscal years which is why we're now preparing the budget for fiscal year 2526 and 2627 and just in broad strokes the budget is proposed by the mayor and then modified and approved

by the board of supervisors and ultimately then signed by the mayor and the timeline is, you know, about eight months and the city has already kicked off its budget process in december or when the mayor actually issues the budget instructions to all city departments and really what that means is based on all of the financial projections based on sort of revenue is projected to come in for the city as well as any projected expenditures the city sort of determines what's the gap between revenue and expenditures and the most updated projection of that is roughly $800 million over the next two years. >> so the city is facing that big of a deficit in the general fund based on that deficit amount. the mayor issues instructions on sort of how departments can go about sort of helping bridge

that gap. so what are things that are important to keep intact that's usually service levels and sort of making sure that programs are able to reach the people most in need and what are those sort of options available to departments in terms of generating savings? so between december and february departments work to sort of meet all of those instructions and they submit a proposed budget to the mayor which is coming up within the next month and then departments in the mayor's office sort of work together to figure out what are all of the right solutions and they work together to figure out what's going to keep most alignment with what you know, the mayor has determined are the policy priorities for departments and that process usually is finalized sometime in may. >> that's not an official sort

of designation information about that budget about the budget is not publicly available then but i wanted you all to know that that's sort of the hard stop from which we operate and sort of figure out ,you know, when we need to get the committee's work sort of wrapped up. then in june the mayor proposes the city budget that's by no later than june 1st and then between june and july the board of supervisors amend and approve the city budget in sort of collaboration with the mayor's office. and then finally by august this city budget is signed and sort of has gone into effect and i also wanted to mention and that during this time right now is add departments are sort of working to meet the mayor's budget instructions. they're holding public meetings to present their budget proposals to gather input as

well as sort of working with their commissions to kind of get their budget up and ready and then submitted to the mayor's office. >> so that's sort of in broad strokes the internal operations of the budget process for the committee's budget process and just a reminder that you all offer budget and policy recommendation is to the homelessness oversight commission which is the commission for the department of homelessness and supportive housing health commission. the mayor and the board of supervisors serves. so you sort of have a whole host of stakeholders here that you are sort of trying to make your recommendations to and our process really will kick off with the next meeting in february and will very much wrap up from a committee perspective of this first portion by april.

and then we have a brief sort of regrouping in june and i'll kind of talk about the details of that and then by july 1st the budget is sort of approved for the next two fiscal years and so starting next month you'll hear from me about the revenue forecast. so we'll talk about what is the latest round of projections say about revenue for the fund simultaneously we will hear about the six month spending update which is really just focusing on the current fiscal year which is fiscal year 2420 five and based on the budget from last year, we want to get a sense of how is spending going so far it's been the first six months of the fiscal year. you know what programs are kind of getting ramped up and where is spending faring sort of in comparison to what was budgeted

and also you'll hear what will be the projected balance in fund so in the fund so you all might remember that the ocho fund is a continuing fund which means that any money that is not spent by july 1st automatically rolls into the following fiscal year because programs don't always operate on the same sort of fiscal year financial timeline. and so any money that's not spent by then will sort of automatic roll over. and so within the six month spending update you'll also hear what the balance might be at the end of the year and how much of that will is sort of already attached to programing that will need to happen in the future and also in february we will host our first set of liaison meetings for the folks

that are the service area liaison aides and we've also we've scheduled all of those meetings and so that will happen within the next couple of weeks. in march we'll hear from departments about their budget proposals that they have set that they will have sent to the mayor's office about sort of what it is that they propose as part of the budget to the mayor. and so we'll hear from them about that in march and we will host our second set of liaison meetings that will be focused on the financial aspect of the fund and at that time in april we will finally size all of our budget and policy recommendations because we will have had both sets of liaison meetings and during our april meeting will finalize those recommendations and send them to the homelessness oversight commission, to the health commission and the mayor.

and again you'll remember that may is when all of those decisions are finalized. >> so we want to send our recommendations to the right parties in time for those decisions to sort of happen and then in june because june 1st is when the mayor's budget will be proposed and that's when the board of supervisors sort of hold their budget process and you will have a chance to hear from departments about what is in the mayor's proposed budget and if the committee wants to make any recommendations based on that budget that will be your opportunity to do so for the board of supervisors. so is that will approve the budget at the end of that month so a big process here to get us to april and then a brief process to make recommendations to the board of supervisors.

>> just as a reminder we talked about this at a previous meeting but in terms of how we're thinking about developing recommendations, these are the committees sort of standing priorities that come from all of the history of creating the investment plan, the needs assessment etc. and have sort of you know, can sort of bucket them in to these four priorities which is to center racial equity to create data driven interventions that are aligned with factors that we know contribute to homelessness and to prioritize recommendations that fit in with our housing first preference and of course to maximize funds is including ways that we are leveraging alco to add to the city's overall capacity. so amoco is just one fund

within this network that supports the homelessness response system sort of larger ecosystem. >> so how are we leveraging oxxo to sort of maximize the funds available to be a part of that system? >> so how are we going to do that? how are we going to develop recommendations? and so i wanted you all to sort of understand what all the various components that we will pull from in order to arrive at those recommendations. and so our starting point and sort of our biggest information bank that we have is the annual report that you all just heard about at our previous meeting and that's the last fiscal year annual report and the intention of that information is to really help us all understand what's working and what are the

costs. so really crucial information like how much money has been spent in alco to date? how much capacity have we been able to add because of ocho? how many households did we serve last year? what are the individual programs outcomes and of course who participated in those programs? all of that information is detail in the annual report. it's really i think our most comprehensive amount of information that we have so an important tool for us to leverage then you'll hear from me next month about what is the revenue looking like. amanda helped us understand sort of a really big factor in play here which is proposition m and then we'll sort of have a more detailed drill down of alco revenue more exactly what's the projected amount and

so that will really help us answer well how much money is available for and the way that the projection works is that because even in this current year that we're in which is fiscal year 2425 that's based all of that money was budgeted based off of projected revenue that happened during the last budget cycle. >> so as part of that forecast will really understand what has the projection change for the current year and will also hear about the projection for the next two years. so really trying to get a comprehensive sense of where will the money land over the next couple of years. >> again at the six month spending mark which is the information you also hear about next at the next meeting we'll really be able to understand how much progress have have we been able to make on last year's decisions.

so last year there was a projected revenue amount we created a budget in accordance with that. well how is that going? how is the spending trending? how much money will be spent by the end of the fiscal year? >> how much of the money will be need to be spent in future years because you know, like i mentioned, programs don't necessarily operate on the exact fiscal sort of timeline and then the last resource available to you all will be the liaison meetings that we've been talking about and these are the deep programing budget dives and so this is really your opportunity to have a discussion with folks from departments that are really operationalized on all of the committee's work. >> and so really your opportunity to understand what is working as intended and what needs improving what levers are available for change, what are the costs and then what are the

cliffs in each of your service areas. so really a chance with you to become really familiar with your service areas and do the deep dive that i think you're all really excited about in those meetings. so talking about sort of milestones and dates and i already mentioned that we have scheduled all of the liaison meetings for housing mental health, shelter and prevention and again at the next month's meeting you'll hear about the revenue forecast and the six month spending update. so you and you've already heard about the annual report. so we will have made a lot of progress on those resources in march will host our second set of liaison meetings that will be focused on really just the fiscal side of information in the annual report and you'll

hear from departments about the budget proposal that they will have sent to the mayor's office in april. >> i will regroup all of the liaisons in a sort of much more informal setting and we will kind of work through what we've heard from in those liaison meetings and you know you all that will be your chance to share with each other about sort of what you're hearing. what are the bigger trends and that's when we'll develop a draft set of recommendations in that way at the april 24th come meeting the liaisons will be able to come back to the committee and discuss with you all and you all will be able to make your final recommendations to send to the mayor the health commission and the homelessness oversight commission and then because may is really sort of

the mayor's office working through all of the decisions, we will sort of resume our more regularly scheduled committee work. but in june you'll hear we will we generally host a special meeting shortly after the mayor's budget is made available and to hear about what is in that proposed budget and we will create opportunity for you all to discuss and send along any additional recommendations that you think are needed to the board of supervisors. and then again it's sort of the city resumes its normal cadence of the board of supervisors amending and approving the budget and the mayor signing the budget in august so the next steps for you all are really just to prepare for the liaison meetings in february and a couple of weeks here i've

laid out for you and all of the meetings are and scott mentioned at the top of the meeting that additional members are able to attend these meetings three additional members i know some of you have flagged interest for me and this is a good opportunity to let me know if you know your schedule whether you'd like to be invited to the additional meetings and we can do that now let me just run through the next couple of steps and then we can kind of tackle that liaison's and it's most crucial for you all to review the annual report and since that's sort of the foundational information for the budget process and will be once you once you have reviewed the annual report, i will work with you all to figure out what are your specific questions that i can bring to departments and to

create a discussion framework for your liaison meeting. so your input here will be really important to make sure that we're using that time as effectively as possible and i will do the outreach on that after this meeting and i think that's everything. >> so this is a good time for us to figure out if folks are interested in joining the liaison meetings even if you're not the liaison we can do that now remember preston yeah, i'd like to attend the mental health liaison meeting on the 24th and i also have a week in march that i'm not available to meet with about the budget so i'd like to give you those

dates. do you want it now? later we'll do it offline. >> thank you. okay, thanks. a member freemark yeah. and i did i did already email it but i wanted to do just so we get all our numbers in case we go over three but or four whatever it is housing shelter in behavioral health or mental health and you put that times back on there you got to be like member jackson and clipper photo gaming group. >> can i join the shelter liaison one as you get member chevrons interests and so you know a lot about i'm open to attending any of them if there space available i have a question where are these meetings that i'm sorry online and they're all virtual member

jackson okay so put me down for all of them okay i can follow up with you but i'm interested in multiple but i just need to check my calendar. sure. and you can definitely just reach me via email chair williams yeah, thank you. >> and and if it's helpful to you i can just email you the times. i'll be great and events like it's tough to know your availability. okay i can make sure to do that and what's our max again it's for right i'm sorry it's for no more than four members so right now we're good. >> i think i will do the tallying for you all and like yeah, yeah, i think we're over four on some based on interest but i think the point is you'll sort that out. that's right. yeah. and also there's a couple of members that to check in with. >> yeah. oh i just had one other thing around when we get the the

financial report i think it's going to well hopefully it's not important but given all the budget constraints etc. i think it will be important to be able to differentiate between funds that have been allocated but not procured and then the ones that have been procured and the ones that are in process and then the ones that are unaltered dated and so just in case i know we've we've gotten that information in past years and so the controller staff did these little donuts which with each of those sections you know so it just is really if there is a if if we do need to if we're really tight and we need to move money around or whatever then we we have a clear you know we know if it's there's a big difference between something being allocated and actually being procured if is allocated it

still gives us a little bit of play so just yeah that's that's kind of helpful but and then of course if probably you won't be able to do this but if there's an estimation on on unspent funds at the end of the year because so for example last year we did the the save for family initiative and then those like for example even though that was budgeted in and i know the money rolls over to the next year but for example we got the subsidies the five year subsidies for families and also do parenting youth and those aren't being dropped until march. so that was like a full nine years into for the fiscal year and we still have we'll have

some unspent money potentially from this year because we used one time funds so that that kind of nuance because you know i mean i'm taking the family example i would love to know given that we have we just had 500 families on the waitlist for shelter. the department just cut 42% off the waitlist and all the families were given eviction notices or out of shelter and they're completely freaking out . the families are about where they're going to go if we had some you know, had some like real information like where we could actually relieve this situation in and get some more housing for the families, that would be a huge help. but it's really hard to do if we don't have that kind of nuance. so yeah, if at all possible and i know i'm this is maybe you were already planning on doing this or maybe this is additional work and so apologies if it is additional work but i just feel like this is so critical for us to know these this fine grained detail. >> yeah.

>> any comments radical or stuff on that? >> okay so member haddix oh um thank you so much for working as a newer member. thank you so much for walking me through that. it was a good reminder of the process. i have a couple of questions from veronica and then also a couple of questions from my fellow members who've been through this before. okay. the first is i notice that the you know, the mayor gives direction in december and i was wondering if there's expectation of any kind of changes or delay because of the change in administration in in in january or if things are kind of business as usual from our perspective business as usual member headaches just a reminder that our city our home fund is a non general fund and so all of the mayor's exact instructions generally apply to general fund sources. yeah. thank you for that clarification.

>> kind of similar to member freedom buck's question but the reverse as we're looking at kind of the actuals right based on the predict projections of of the budget that we approved for this fiscal year if it's looking like, you know, revenue projections aren't as rosy or as expected kind of i guess what happens and how does that reconciliation happen if if there's not enough money to fund what we've budgeted for? yeah, that's a great point. >> remember haddix and am generally and and this is something else shed some light about for the mid-year report because that has happened in the past and because this fund is very has been susceptible to

a lot of volatility that has happened and and the departments have worked really hard to build reserves and are really crucial for moments like that and and so departments have always sort of been able to save the day in that way without necessarily having to make any cuts to programs. >> and so there's a lot of those are the tools available and so far we haven't had to make any cuts to ongoing programs and that will need to remain a strategy sort of as we move forward. >> yeah, remember walton has just to respond what we saw when we looked what the last time we were presented projections was not only for this two fiscal years but also the two after that. so when there are one time savings which i think some of member frieden buck's comments were alluding to that we know

exactly what's what these departments have counted on those one time savings to fill gaps from reduced revenue and the last reports we got were that the coming two fiscal years are fairly stable but we will see without changes in projections we will see shortfalls after that and agreeing with member feedback that's critical to our decision about if there's money do you use it for new programing or expanded programing or do we use it to maintain some things where there's a shortfall keeping in mind that we have to respect the legislative division of moneys and so forth . >> thank you. any other committee members? oh i respond oh oh yeah. >> to respond because i know you have that question a member freedom or anyone else so friend okay i just like to say shout out to greatly for for always plugging those message oh she's the best and my last

question is more to my fellow well fellow member so i understand that we're an advisory committee and there are limits to or there are i want to have realistic expectations about our advice and how it's received and incorporated into you know, the final approved budget. >> so we'd love to just hear if if we feel in the past our recommendations have been adopted for the most part etc. yeah we can go down the line. >> i'll respond to that. i feel like that we've done work in terms of having several meetings where we try to get to alignment with the departments and it's actually been really great these liaison meetings and working in partnership so i think there has been significant alignment. i would also advocate that we have additional meetings with the mayor's office. i mean this is a new administration and so i know in the past we got to meet with members of the board and the mayor's office just to kind of talk about our role and the board. so that's also been helpful. but yeah, there's typically i've seen good alignment but

with our continued meeting with folks and having those conversations so we'll go down the line who's been here i mean i'll i'll comment about this i this is such a good question too like i would i agree with you know i agree with chair williams it probably like 90% alignment so there's that step but then sometimes even though we're in alignment, the mayor's office has their own mind so that can come back in. so like the year before last they wanted to take 60 million from housing for youth and families and move it over to shelter for adults. at that point it was in the board of supervisors. i feel like having an example is a good way to do it so we made a recommendation that they you know, that they restore the money and at that point our target had kind of shifted from the mayor's office to the board of supervisors and then we had negotiations with with

supervisors while the budget chair actually assigned supervisor ronan ronan who was one of the members of the committee hca and representatives from the mayor's office to negotiate something out and we ended up having a and we were taken very seriously in that context and we ended up being able to negotiate out and basically save most of the we we actually found funding oh in the comptroller's office was there too. so i you know i was on a saturday i remember every saturday it was it was saturday and it was great. >> it yeah it was yeah it was not good timing because anyway it was a holiday going on so basically we ended up finding the funding for the mayor's priorities and we ended up using our using the interest and that was like our idea as members and then the comptroller's office came back and said how much interest and

then that funded most of the mayor's party. >> some of the mayor's priorities were things that were clearly not supported by this committee because they were things that we had funded that were still sitting there unutilized and it was like why would we do this when you know when you dig down deep you know, a lot of times the mayor's not at the granular level and so that's a big part of our role. like we know the details like yes, we funded this but it's very underutilized and has not been very successful so it doesn't make sense to put more money into it. so we got that stuff pushed off the table and then found some stuff for the mayor's priorities that were like really significant and important and then save the money for the youth and families and so so we ended up getting shelter for single adults expansion out of that so it we we are taken very seriously i mean you know ideally we're all on the same page but you kind of think about it is three stages so first first it's like the department and then we're

dealing with the mayor's office and then our kind of last ditch effort for what we we think is a body or data driven, you know, solutions. >> is it the board of supervisors and the board of supervisors really treats the body with tremendous respect at least the former board of supervisors will see but i'm sure chair chan will because she knows she knows our process and knows that we're going through all this stuff with fine tooth comb. so so i think that's really helpful and you know it's not it's a body that by design we're actively participating and taking votes instead of just kind of rubber stamping or like having discussions but not actually taking votes on things. so that process of taking votes really helps us with when we then go to the mayor's office or the board of supervisors because we can say look, we voted on this and show them what we voted on and what the language was and stuff like that and then that that ends up creating a lot more legitimacy. the other thing that really helps is like we talked about

it today and i didn't mention it but the community outreach piece of it you know, bringing that information to the mayor's office and to the board of supervisors also gives us a lot more legitimacy and to the department as well. and so we can we can say we want to do this and this is why and then we you know, we have the information and we have, you know, all that to kind of back it up. >> so it is we are advisory but i would say that we're we're relevant in these discussions and and have worked really hard to to ensure that we're taken seriously. >> yeah i'll add to that and say there was a lot of thoughtfulness throughout the years that we've been doing this work in terms of like engaging the community, the discussions, the votes, the liaison roles, all the work that's happening. i think that there's been tremendous work and it's been incredible to folks and i'll simply add from my one and a half year experience is that the initial liaison meetings with the department are critical and often have gotten

the department and this committee on the same page which strengthens then those processes going forward. many of our decisions then you know are sent out in notice to whatever entity is to get them and then on occasion we've also put out a request that certain things be funded with other funds if we don't have the funds to do them with again based on our experience. so all of those components fit in. but i really underscore that the initial liaison meetings with the departments are where a lot of problem solving i think happens and that's why it's the two part it's program first and then a discussion of actually how budget will be allocated and that's where you get a clear picture also of where they're planning to use savings from previous years to maintain or expand programs

going forward. >> you have additional questions you know, just thank you. >> that's very, very helpful and encouraging to hear. thank you so much. >> question yes, yes. yeah, that's great question any other members on the budget process and timeline? >> thank you so much to our staff for pulling all this together. so now if there's i think believe we need to go to public comment yeah. members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person please line up at the podium now members of the public who wish to provide public comment over the phone please refer to the instructions posted at the our city our home website. wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the phone. for the record there are no in person or over the phone public comments. this concludes a public comment

section for this agenda item. >> thank you so much. we'll go to item eight future agenda items. >> all right, member jackson as we spoke of last meeting i would like to see if we could have a sit down which is our incoming administration with the mayor's office or even the mayor potentially so we could sit down and really come on a clear path on what their vision is and how it coincides with our vision. and so we got to really get on what is on a straight page because i feel that once we understand what his thinking and what his administration is thinking and and we can sit down and start building a rapport with them, you know, since the old mayor went out and the new mayor came in and a lot of us came in under the old mayor and so so we could get on the same page i don't know about you guys. >> it's kind of uneasy knowing that we have a shift of change

so let's get on the same page. so if possible we could sit down and have a sit down with the mayor and his administration and possibly some of the board of supervisors to yes and we have done that in the past. >> member jackson so i agree. >> any additional future agenda items and then i just wanna remind the committee we'll also do a vote to excuse absences after this from member martinez i would just like to underscore something that member freedom park has asked for previously it would be very helpful for this committee to have a better understanding of the housing authority and what's happening if we don't fund them they don't fund us but we obviously are working in the same venues and so i just want us to try to keep fitting them in however we might. >> yes, i agree with that member walton. we've been asking for them to come here for for quite some time, especially with regards to the annual plan. yes.

because we would love to see really strong prioritization of unhoused people for any empty units. >> yes. staff i just want to get clarity on the excuse absence piece for sure. >> we didn't hear in advance from okay. got it. okay. just wanted to check. thank you. thank you. >> any other future agenda items as a member? jeffrey yeah i don't i'll let me know if this is within purview or not but one of the things is i'm curious if some of the funding that we are supporting is going to housing that's known to have asbestos and let in another issues like in the bayview and if there's anything that's been done about that um yeah i would just be good to know if any of our funding is going to that and if it is maybe let's improve it. >> yes and i know the staff is capturing all of this for the future. thank you. these are great. really great.

all right. if there's no more featured items we'll go to public comment. yes. thank you. members of the public who wish to provide public comment in person, please line up at the podium now. members of the public who wish to provide public comment over the phone please refer to the instructions posted at the our city our home website. wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. each person will have two minutes to speak. we will begin with in-person public comment followed by public comment over the phone. i am so irritated with that guy coming out just like for the record that i know in person or over the phone or public comments this concludes the public comment section for this agenda item. >> wonderful. well thank you everyone for joining us. this was a lot of we got a lot done in this meeting and just want to thank all of my colleagues for all your commitment and all the hard work ahead. it's going to be an amazing year. so with that we're going to adjourn this meeting and we're adjourned at 11:20 a.m. which is before live a little early. >> wow ten minutes. >> ten minutes left. thank you.

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