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going through. he should also know she needs people around here to support her rehabilitation. they came to me and asked me to do it and i put it together and i worked with earl hightower. >> why make it public? >> it wasn't public, jane. it was not public. this was done for two months. the only reason it became public is when the police were called and the news showed up at the house. >> we're out of time, but i'll see you wednesday. michael lohan, we're going to debate it. breaking news tonight. live westminster, colorado, 8:30 a.m. this little girl, 10-year-old jessica ridgeway walked through blocks en route to school. mommy watches as she walks aaway from home. jessica never seen again. fbi search dogs descend onto her home and backyard. this as a mystery man tries to
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lure children into his car with candy nearby, but that incident never publicized. then a terrible find. the awful discovery. 10-year-old jessica's dismembered body found just seven miles from her own home. reports a man, a local photographer arrested in the kidnap and assault of another young girl nearby. is that linked to jessica's murder? investigators warning neighbors tonight, a child predator at large still in the community. bombshell tonight. reports dna on jessica's book bag could be linked to a male wanted in a sex assault of a female jogger across from jessie's school. and tonight, has blonde hair believed to be jessica's and receipts for garbage bags been found near the girl's remains?
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in a stunning turn, a handmade wooden cross found planted near jessie's body. left behind by jessica's killer? >> police hope to crack the case of a murdered girl in colorado. >> jessica ridgeway. >> a small wooden cross that belongs to her killer. >> we believe it was left behind or dropped by somebody that was involved. >> the cross has three distinct marks on one side, and on the other what appears to be the letter "s." >> it potential was left intentionally. pl >> police are re-examining an attempted abduction. >> the crimes seem eerily similar. a 22-year-old woman running this it trail attacked, gets away. four months later jessica ridgeway didn't. >> fairly close to where jessica
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was abducted and later where her body was found. >> this is a tense time for the community. >> it's very scary. >> we recognize there's a predator at large in our community. >> that sicko is out here still. we need to find him. >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight live to westminster, colorado. 8:30 a.m., a little girl walks just three blocks en route to school, never seen again. now, 10-year-old jessie's dismembered boend found a couple miles from home. bombshell reports dna on jessie's book bag could be linked to a man wanted in a sex assault of a jogger right across from jessie's school. in a stunning turn tonight, we learn a hand-made wooden cross. is it planted near jessie's
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dismembered body? we're learning all sorts of information tonight as we go to where, for instance, we learn that there are reports that jessie's clothes were neatly folded up and put in her book bag. let's see that video, liz. her book bag and her water bottle with her name on it found discarded like it was thrown out of the car in a nearby neighborhood. there you see those shots. were jessie's clothing neatly folded up and placed inside her book bag? is this linked to a man that tried to attack a nearby jogger? all of this is happening, and this is very important to the investigation. all of this is happening within a couple of miles radius, which adds to the theory that this is a local predator. that jogger, the female jogger, catch this.
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she was jogging along a trail where a guy came up behind her with a chemical-soaked rag and put it over her mouth and nose. she got away. we have a description. all right. another jogger attacked. another attempted attack on a little boy nearby. and now jessie's remains found in an open field? all of this within the same radius of a couple of miles. jessie's home, her school, the jogging route, the location where her backpack and water bottle were discarded, and now another monkey wrench thrown in, but it's a piece of the puzzle. a receipt, a receipt. i can't tell you how important this is. straight out to nia bender, operations manager, tnn, denver. there's to much happening. it's fast and furious tonight, nia. tell me about the receipt.
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>> apparently the receipt is from a king supers, which is located not that far from jessica's home 100th and wa wadsworth. they found the receipts and looked it up. they're going through surve surveillance tape. they have about four hours to go through. they can save that in one shot. on the receipt, though, it does show a purchase for trash bags. >> okay. what do we know about that location, nia? we're showing it right now. where does it figure into the radius we're talking about? >> it's that general neighborhood, within a 5 to 6 square mile area. it's very suburban and very, very quiet family-oriented area. >> all right. i want to go out to matt zarell.
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what can you tell me about these other attacks. there's two joggers i believe and one little boy, attempted attacks. >> yes, nancy. we have the two joggers and the one boy. may 28th is the jogger. 22-year-old jogging on a trail around the lake next no jessica's school. at 1:15 p.m. she encounters a male suspect. he grabbed her from behind and tries to put a rag over her mouth. the victim said the rag had a chemical smell on it. she got aaway and called 911. this is not the first time we encountered this person, because in july of 2010 another jogger was chased by a man fitting the description. three weeks before the jogger afak in may, an 8-year-old boy, there was an attempted kidnapping on an 8-year-old boy and that suspect fit a similar description. >> all these armchair quarterbacks saying, okay, an
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attacker that would attack a full-grown woman, a sex predator would not be interested in children. or a guy that would attack a little boy would not be interested in little girls. okay. if this is the same guy, matt zarrell, he's disproving all those amateur theories. so what do i have, matt, if anything, linking this one guy to all of these victims? >> nancy, the key here regarding jessica is dna, because kdvr is reporting that dna from the support in jessica's murder has been linked to the alleged -- the attack on the jogger on may 28th. they've linked it through dna, and they do believe that the jogger, the two jogger attacks was the same suspect and they're working to confirm it was the 8-year-old boy was also the same suspect as well. >> okay. hold on, matt. i have to get this straight, because we have so many victims we're talking about.
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this may just be the key to unlock the mystery to jessica's murder. i'm not understanding how they got dna in an attempted sex attack on the jogger, matt, because it's my understanding he came up behind her as she was jogging along. what do you know? >> as the victim passed the suspect, he grabbed her from behind and tried to put a rag over her mouth. she had the rag had a chemical smell on it. she was able to get away, nancy, so i wonder if there was dna under her fingernails. maybe that's why they got it. >> good thinking, matt. how did the incident with the little boy go down? >> an 8-year-old boy is out with his sister and friend. they're playing games outside and walking on a trail near ketner lake, the same location as the jogger by the elementary school.
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the suspect grabbed the boy by the neck and tried to pull him over the guardrail onto the street. the sister and sister's frent panic and throw the cell phone at him and screamed and yells. cops did not track him down. >> do we have dna in that case? >> they tried to get dna from the toy gun the boy was holding but they were not able to get the dna from it. >> what's connecting that to the jogger, a physical description? >> yes, nancy. the mother of the 8-year-old boy says the description of the suspect who attacked the 8-year-old boy is similar to the suspect description in the jogger case. police have not confirmed an exact connection yet, but they're working to do that as we speak. >> what's my physical description? >> a light-skinned male, 18 to 35 or someone -- >> wait, wait, wait. when you say light-skinned male, ma matt, matt, matt. is it a white guy? >> yes. >> okay. it's a white guy. go ahead. what's the rest. what do i know?
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>> 18 to 35. brown hair, medium build, 5'6" to 5'8", sunglasses with small frames. at the time of the jogger attack he was wearing a black t-shirt, jeans and a navy blue ball cap. >> what kind of frames on the f shirts -- on the sunglasses? >> sunglasses with small frames. >> and he wore the sunglasses on the attack on the little boy and jogger? >> i've not seen an exact description of the suspect's sunglasses but he was between 5'6" and 6 foot tall. >> out to victoria taft with kpmn. i don't need dna to tell me it's the same guy. you have a white male that is stalking this lake, ketner lake. how many other white males have a slim athletic build are going to attack people on the same jogging trail in basically a low
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populated area compared to, for instance, philadelphia, manhattan, atlanta, san francisco. so long story short, of course, it's the same guy. i have the same guy linked up to jessie's murder because his dna is on the backpack. i'm trying to fit out how his dna got on the backpack. his dna is on her backpack, and i understand there's dna at the crime scene where her body is found hacked to pieces. i have dna linking him to the jogger, and a physical description linking him to a little girl. what about it, victoria taft? >> you know, nancy, one of the things that is arising here where i am in a case is the small stuff matters. and in this case in colorado you had attack after attack after attack. maybe they didn't seem quite as serious, but everything counts. now the police have to go back over all of the crimes which were committed in this area,
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nancy, that you rightly point out has been the scene of so many different sort of odd coincidences. attempted abductions, attempted attacks. they're going through clear back to 2011. nancy, you're right. it's probably the same guy. we have a predator, and he's loose. one set of parents were moved out of the neighborhood because they were afraid for their children. >> pete marrone, director of virginia department of forensic science. thank you for being with us. i want to talk very quickly before we go to break about that handmade cross that was found planted near jessica's remains. is it possible to get dna off of it? what do you think, pete? what do you think forensically about the crime scene? >> you ask an interesting question. is it possible? anything is really possible. on the other hand, it's equally
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possible they may not be able to find anything. when you're dealing with touch dna and then the cross or even the backpack that you spoke of, it's not necessarily a sure thing. people have to understand that. quite often you may get some results, but the results won't necessarily be meaningful. one of the things we have to be careful of in following it as many folks have. ♪
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a little girl snatched while simple walking to school. >> there's a predator at large
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in our community. >> lines of law enforcement officers search where the body was found. >> tonight the breaking news in the search for 10-year-old jessica is coming fast and furious. back to you, matt zarrell. what more have we found out about the crime scene itself, in particular i want to talk about those trash bags? >> nancy, now kdvr is reporting that portions of jessica's remains were found on the black garbage bags. we talked last week whether it was inside the bag, and now reports surface from "the denver post" that remains were found inside that black garbage bag. >> unleash the lawyers. burk strunski out of l.a., eric defense attorney in miami, jason oceans, defense attorney new york. jason, let's kick it off with you. i was listening to what matt
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zarrell just said about this 10-year-old little girl's remains, her body hacked to pieces. i know for a fact reports are her clothing was neatly folded up in her backpack. so this is painting a horrible scenario as to the hours surrounding her death. and now we're just trying to decide, were her hacked-up body parts inside or outside of garbage bag? >> right. >> does colorado have the death penalty, anybody? clark, do they have the death penalty? weigh, in, jason. >> i hear where you're going in terms of this is the typical case out in the public eye. >> i didn't say typical. >> that would require us to think about the death penalty. before we get to that point, i think law enforcement needs to
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make certain about who they're targeting, making sure these aren't isolated incidents in and above themselves. >> it's death by needle, jason. >> that would be appropriate for the perpetrator who is convicted of these crimes, nancy. i don't think anyone would disagree. >> not only that, eric swartswick, does the mom have to wrestle with her daughter's death? she has to wrestle with her child's murder and dismemberment and likely sex attack prior to her murder. thoughts? >> nancy, it's awful. it's atrocious and heinous, but to echo what jason says, we need to make sure we get the right person. everyone deserves justice. her family deserves the justice and the suspect deserves to justice. we need to make sure -- >> what do you think that
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justice would be? you think there's a problem with dna? you don't accept -- >> nancy. >> there might be a cover-up in the o.j. simpson case? >> we would both be wrong on this. it's not a cover-up or about dna. it's about makes sure is are dotted and ts are crossed and they get the right person. i'm making sure you get the right suspect. >> talk some sense. >> the crime is going to be solved by dna evidence. there's no question forensic evidence will lead us to who this is and ultimately to a conviction. it's hard to imagine -- >> burk put it out there. may he rot in hell, all right? >> no doubt. anybody that chops up -- kidnaps and chops up an 8-year-old child deserves the death penalty. that's the kind of person that the death penalty was -- >> it's too good for him. the death penalty is too good for him. he'll get the needle and just drift off to sleep. [ russian accent ] rubles. eh, eheh, eh, eh.
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and we -- i lived in westminster, my son lives in nevada. nobody was alert that this happened. one was an 8-year-old boy and one was a 12-year-old boy. i want to know why we weren't notified of this. this could have been -- >> chris in colorado, i want to know, too. i want to know, too, chris in colorado. because the guy luring children into the car with candy was not publicized at all. none of the aattacks around ketner lake were publicized. not a notice for flyer or anything. this girl is now dead and dismembered. [ ross ] in the taihang mountains of china,
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clues that police hope will crack the case of a murdered girl in colorado. >> jessica ridgeway. >> a small wooden cross. >> we believe it was left behind or dropped by somebody who was involved. >> the cross has three distinct marks on one side and on the other what appears to be the letter s. >> it was left intentionally. >> police are re-examining an attempted abduction. >> looking back the crimes seem eerily similar. a 22-year-old woman running this trail, attacked, gets away. four months later, jessica ridgeway didn't. >> fairly close to where jessica was abducted and where her body was found. >> it's very scary. >> we recognize there's a predator at large in our community. >> the sicko is out here still. who knows where he's at.
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>> what happened to 10-year-old jessica? in just a few days my children, believe it or not, are going to turn 5 years old. to all of you that prayed when they were in intensive care when they were born, please don't stop. can you imagine what this mother is going through? she watches her little 10-year-old girl walk away from the house. three blocks she had to walk to meet up with her friends to walk to school in the morning. she's dead. she's not just dead. she's clearly been sexually molested, held captive, murdered, and hacked up. as we analyze all the clues
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tonight forensically, what is she doing? can you imagine? she's probably sitting at home on her sofa in the dark going, where's my girl? i want to go back to -- hold on, panel. hold on, everybody. i want to go back to chris in colorado who just called in. chris is very familiar with this area. she's hearing about all these attacks. there was no publication of any of these attacks much tonight through dna logistics and physical description, this one guy, a white male as we predicted last week is responsible for attempted attacks on we believe, two joggers and a little boy literally pulling the little boy over the fence away from his playmates to molest him.
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okay? nobody knew. nobody knew. there wasn't a flyer put up, a warning, nothing. and so jessica's mom lets her walk to school that day. right by ketner lake. chris in colorado, i want to hear your thoughts on this. >> caller: it's terrible, because if we would have known, so many people would have gotten somebody to walk their kids to school. you know? kids are our life, you know? it's terrible. >> chris in colorado, if anything happened to the twins, to either one of them i was just go lay down in front of railroad, in front of a train. i couldn't stand it. >> caller: right. what do you think this mother is going through? >> i don't know what she's going through, but i want to go back
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to nia bender. nia, is this true? was none of the attacks publicized or talked about on the local tv stations, nothing? >> i think they got a little bit of press, but they didn't get much press. surprisingly enough, as big a city as the denver metropolitan area is, there are a lot of instances that take place all across the counties. but it wasn't made a big deal. sadly, it wasn't turned into a big deal at all. >> matt zarrell, let's go through the evidence we're learning tonight. i want to start with this handmade wooden cross seemingly planted right there on the scene. >> okay. now, the cops actually released the pictures of this cross. they say it can help identify and locate jessica's killer. it's about an inch to inch and a half tall, an inch wide three verticals bars etched on one side in the photos. the cops have confirmed that the cross does not belong to the ridgeway family and was
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recovered at one of the crime scenes. they would not say which one. they believe the cross was left behind by the killer. they're looking for someone who may carry or wear this type of cross or may have purchased one of them or has some association with one. cops are getting together with with local businesses including religious stores to get a feel of who could have sold this cross. >> to dr. vincent dimaio, former forensic pathologist. you've dealt with so many homicide cases. ha can what can we do with the bgarbag bags? >> look where they were sold and look for the surveillance cam a camer cameras. the receipt would give you an idea when it was sold. then you can look at the film to see if you can figure out who actually bought it. the other thing is you have to make a detailed examination for the presence of fingerprints and
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also dna, if it had been handled with bare hands. >> you're right. matt zarrell from that receipt we can link it back up to king's grocery store, you can get the day of the purchase of the bar gaj b garbage backs, the time, the clerk i.d. i learned all this from working at sears myself where you have to punch in your i.d. every time you ring something up. you can get the date, the time, and the clerk that sold the person the garbage bags. what more do we know about the receipt, matt? >> employees said police and security guards spent days going through four months of surveillance video trying to find images. they had a photocopy of the receipt with them, and the police told the employees that it was connected to jessica's disappearance. kdvr also spoke to the cashier who sold the garbage bags to the person. unfortunately, she doesn't have
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the body was discovered. >> about eight miles away from where she lived. >> very disturbing details. >> from the helicopter you have footage of the body which would show the public it's not intact. >> overnight there's new photos of cross hoping someone recognizes it. it was found at one of the crime scenes in the case, but police won't say which one because that is information only the killer knows. >> profilers say statistically the murderer is most likely a man and possibly a local. >> we are committed until we achieve justice for jessica. >> looks like it was cut weather by hand or by machine out of a solid block of wood. we believe it was left behind or dropped by somebody that was involved and knows information we're looking for. >> left intentionally perhaps?
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>> it perhaps was left intentionally. >> a handmade wooden cross with distinctive markings on it. religious stores have been approached. we don't know if that's where this cross came from. take a look at it. was it planted there? was it dropped there? matt zarrell what exactly do we know about the cross? listen up everybody if you know anyone that wearins a cross lik this or has a cross in their home. it's not perpendicular, it's not straight up and down. it's handmade. go ahead, matt. >> i'll give you the best description i can give you. it's an inch and a half tall and an inch wide with three vertical bars etched on one side. the cross had a hole drilled through the upper post portion to be worn on a necklace. the opposite side of the three vertical bars is a zigzag pattern carved into it. the upper post portion is offset from the lower post portion below the horizontal section. the cops have confirmed the
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cross does not belong to the ridgeway family. it was recovered at wuflt crime scenes. they believe it was left behind by the killer. they're looking for someone who may carry or wear this type of cross, may have recently bought it or is known to have an association with it. as you mentioned, they're looking for local businesses that may sell this specific cross, and we spoke to a local store operator who also says it looks to be handmade. as you mentioned, it is not perpendicular. >> we definitely need a shrink now. joining me is a clinical psychologist from l.a. doctor, explain to me what this tells us about the killer. >> it could be a couple things. we know when we deal with serial criminals, it's not unusual for them to take a trophy or leave something behind. this is a guy who keeps trying to do this, and now it's almost as though he achieved a horrifying goal of killing this girl and no something is left behind, if it was left at that scene, it's something to think
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about. it feels like a ritualized thing and something he left behind as a mark, not as a mistake. >> unleash the lawyers. jason oceans, you and i have analyzed -- you've tried a ton of cases and i've prost could you telled prosecuted a bunch of cases. jason, let's think about it. you're a father of two. >> right. >> what does this mean? what killer would leave not just an object, something as she says at the scene, but a cross, jason? a cross that the symbol of love and sacrifice to millions of people across the globe. he clearly kidnaps, molests, murders, hacks up a 10-year-old little girl, and dares to put a
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cross at the scene? what is this telling me about him? >> it all goes to the profile, and obviously, you could see that the demonic side of the killer, predator, first trying adult women. now after children. he could be something where he was frustrated from getting his initial victim, and then went after children. is so angry from something in his past that he throws down the cross in some intentional message to all of us. it's horrific. >> steve, former police detective,structor at defend. how can they narrow down the list of possible killers? >> nancy, there's a history that existing between the cross and the killer. when they -- if they can can identify where that cross came
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from, it came in his possession. he deposited it at the crime scene. the history exists, to if they can connect those two, they can identify this individual. >> i'm going not only to steve cardian but to the lawyers. okay, this guy, while he obviously is a repeat offender, he's also an amateur, right? because why would you grab a child, a boy, when he's there with a group of other children and try to grab him and pull him across the fence and then when they start screaming and throw a cell phone at you, you run, okay? then he tries to kidnap or assault an adult female, who fights him off. >> nancy, you give a dog a ball, he'll always chase it. there's something very conflicted about this individual because he leaves the cross there, and conflicted because of
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the heinous allegations. >> what you know, conflicted my [ bleep ]. he's getting the death penalty. what about it? >> this is a person getting better at aattacking people, and that's the scary part about it. he tried several times and unfortunately he succeeded with this young girl and lives out some kind of sick fantasy cutting her up, leaving the cross there. my hope is that the cross allows us to find who -- it should be tested for dna and ultimately that will lead to the conviction. the gas station about once a month. last time i was at a gas station was about...i would say... two months ago. i very rarely put gas in my chevy volt. i go to the gas station such a small amount that i forget how to put gas in my car. [ male announcer ] and it's not just these owners giving the volt high praise. volt received the j.d. power and associates appeal award two years in a row. ♪
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bushes, the fbi presents a profile. >> could be your boss. could be your friend. ultimately could be your family member. >> the sicko's out here still. who knows where he's at, but we need to find him. >> we are taking your calls tonight. developments in the search for the killer of 10-year-old jessica are coming quickly. out to the lines. mike south carolina. hi, mike. what's your question, dear? >> caller: hi nancy. this cross to me makes it seem like the work of a serial killer and reminds me of something out of dexter or something. are there any serial killers nearby and how long until they kill again? >> mike in south carolina, are you still with me? >> caller: yes. >> do you recall dexter ever leaving a clue on the scene? doesn't he cover everything in plastic so he does not leave a clue? >> caller: well, maybe not the best analogy.
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>> you're talking about a serial killer. now, i agree with you that this is a characteristic of a serial killer. but mike in south carolina, this guy is an absolute amateur. he left the receipt for the garbage bag, mike in south carolina. but that does not preclude the possibility he has killed before. ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. to compete on the global stage. what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs
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the disappearance of jessica ridgeway. >> body found near abandoned coal mines.
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but they're continuing their search for the missing girl. >> footage of the body would show it's not intact. >> a little girl snatched while simply walking to school. >> we really want to determine if there's any connection to those two cases. >> that just makes me more afraid. >> who could do something like this? >> all our efforts now are in search of abductor. >> what can you tell me about hair? >> multiple reports are saying a clump of blond hair was found about a mile from where jessica's remains were found. a source said police believe it may be jessica's hair. police said we don't even know if this is a dog hair yet. they would have been able to tell that by now. it was found by a woman. she called cops. we're waiting for confirmation if it is human and jessica's. >> matt, where was the hair
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found? >> found in a field near where the remains were found. about a mile from where they were found. >> to dr. vincent demaio, to matchup hair of course you can match it up to a certain extent without the root. if you have the root, they can positively identify it back to her. but they would know very quickly whether it was human hair or dog or animal hair. correct? >> right. it takes a few minutes. all you have to do is put it underneath the microscope and the structure of animal hair is completely different than human. so they would know that whether it was human. then the next thing they would do would be to dna testing. you don't need the roots if you
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do mitocondrial. >> i know. here it's going to work. at first it seems farfetched that her hair would be in another field, but doctor, we've got her backpack and her water bottle far away from where the body was found. then there's the body. i mean, it's entirely possible that it is her hair. dr. demaio, how is it it is on her backpack? >> your body's covered with cells which are gradually beginning to fall off your body. if you handle an object enough, some of the cells will be transferred to the object. be falling off or being rubbed off. you then by in the laboratory you multiply these cells and attempt to do dna. you're not going to

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