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12-year-old autumn's remains have just been found. stuffed into a blue recycling container near an abandoned house, put out with all of the other bins in the hopes she would be thrown away like trash. >> two individuals have been arrested and charged with the murder of this young girl. two teenage brothers, age 15 and 17 years old have been charged with first degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, disposing of the body, tampering with evidence, and theft. the 15-year-old brother has also been charged with one count of luring. both of in police custody at the present time. the gloucester medical

examiner's office preliminarily determined cause of death as blunt force trauma consistent with strangulation. the manner of death is homicide. >> good evening, i am nancy grace. thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight, we go live to rural clayton. 12-year-old autumn pasquale, a beautiful little girl on her white bicycle in her own neighborhood disappears. we are receiving information that at this hour 12-year-old autumn's remains have been positively identified, stuffed into a blue recycling container, one of those bins, put out in front of an abandoned house, and it was put out with all of the other recycling bins. that was the day for recycling pickup, obviously in the hopes that autumn's body would be thrown away like trash. well, it was not.

straight out to carly joining me from gloucester county times. thank you for being with us. you're there on scene. explain the timing, and i'll work up to the discovery of the body and remains. i have to get the timing down, carly. i am trying to figure out how the timing relates to who would have seen her, who would have been exposed to her. go ahead, carly. >> carly was last seen saturday, didn't return home at all obviously. when she didn't return home by 8:00, parents decided to call police. there was a homecoming, high school homecoming football game and other events going on in the small town, but she apparently

never made it. >> carly, was she supposed to come back home at 8:00 p.m. or was she supposed to go to some kind of homecoming event, what did you say? >> according to police, her parents expected her home by about 8:00. they ended up calling the authorities around 9:00 when she never returned and they never received any correspondence from her. >> carly romalino, i know she left her home on a bicycle, a white bmx, but was she spotted or seen by anybody after that 12:30 departure from her home? >> we have not heard that she had been seen by anyone at that point. police have not released that information saying anyone came forward saying they had seen

her. >> frankly, carly, the text messages she sent out, that's another can of worms. police are refusing to tell us who she sent the last -- around 2:00 p.m. text. she pedals out of her dad's driveway at 12:30, broad daylight. how many of you out there have seen your child walk off or drive off. it is high noon, all right? it's a weekend. everything's fine. she is supposed to be back home at 8:00 p.m. she's supposedly going to another little girl's home. she is a 12-year-old little girl. she pedals off. that night at 8:00, she doesn't show back up, they call police by 9:00. but by that time whoever took her may have had a 12 hour jump on the police, except for the text messages. ellie jostad, chief editorial producer, you and i have been

pouring over the text messages sent from her cell phone. what do we know about them, ellie? >> we know at 1:22:00 p.m., one of her girlfriends said she got a text. however, the girl says she doesn't think that text was meant for her. the text reportedly said don't be like that. the girl didn't know what this was in reference to, thought it was possibly sent to her accidentally. then at 2:30 p.m., we know that another text came from autumn's cell phone, but we don't know who that text was going to or what it said. >> right there, i'm suspicious of that 2:30 text. either, ellie, that first text that went to her little friend was not sent by her, autumn, or misdirected. either somebody else had her cell phone sending messages or it was misdirected, and what's the significance. we have to look at this, at a 2:30 text from a 12-year-old girl ends up dead in a blue recycling bin. what is so significant about

that 2:30 text from autumn's cell phone that cops will not reveal who it was sent to? was it sent to somebody that's under suspicion that they're looking at? was it sent to someone or somewhere that would suggest they know where she was going? okay. i want to go back to you, ellie. i know all about her leaving on her white bicycle. i understand the time line. i get it. but i want to ask you a couple of quick questions, ellie. was her cell phone found with her? >> don't know. >> have they found her cell phone? >> don't know that. >> because it is very possible the cell phone was actually used by her killer to throw police off the track. all right. ellie, what more do we know about the day of her disappearance? that's what i'm honing in on. starting at square one. >> she left the home at 12:30, lives with her father, father's

girl friend, siblings of hers and the girl friend's children. she left at 12:30 on the white bmx bike, headed to go to a nearby park or to meet another little friend. she was supposed to be home for 8:00 curfew. people that know her say she was never late, always was in touch with her father. when she didn't come home by 8:00 as promised, that's when her parents got concerned. they reported her missing about an hour later. >> i'm seeing something that doesn't make sense right off the bat, ellie. let me throw it to you, carly romalino from gloucester times. she's supposed to go to a friend's at 9:30 in the morning, why didn't the friend call and say where are you? >> i can't answer that. i have no idea, nancy. >> do we know, ellie, whether the little friend tried to contact autumn? did the friend know autumn was

even coming over or did autumn say hey, i'm riding over to susie's house and didn't tell susie? >> right, that's all unclear now. we don't know exactly where she was headed. there was park they were checking, thought she might be heading there. obviously she was much closer to home. >> i understand the day she left, it was on what day of the week, a saturday, correct? >> that's right. >> all right. if the messages really are sent from her, on her phone, then we know she's alive at 2:30 that day. okay. let's go to the discovery of the body. ellie, what do we know? >> nancy, the body was found in front of an abandoned boarded up house just about five blocks away from where autumn lives. this house like i said has been described as abandoned. it is just one street over and a couple blocks down from where autumn lived. it was found last night about 10:00 p.m. it was recycling day today.

so all of the homes on the street or most of them had those blue recycling containers on the curb for pickup. >> now ellie, trying to figure something out about recycling. don't you have a recycling bin assigned to you and if this was an abandoned house boarded up, they wouldn't still have a recycling bin assigned to them. so whose recycling bin is it, how did it get there? this says to me, i am just on the outside looking in, that this is somebody that knows that neighborhood, that knows that's the day recycling bins go out, because nobody in that abandoned house pushed the recycling bin to the street, so somebody had to know that was the day of recycling, get that bin, put her dead body in the bin, and put it out there to get picked up.

or, ellie, somebody is driving along, says hey, i'll stick the body in there. >> right. here is something interesting one of the producers learned. they spoke to clayton public works and those bins are associated with a particular property and even more than that, they have a computer chip in the bin that weighs the garbage and kind of keeps a record of it. so if the chip is still intact and the person we talked to said they sometimes can fall off or be damaged, if there's still a chip in the recycling container, they can figure out what home it is linked to. >> interesting about that recycling chip, el. i wonder if it can tell when the garbage is put in the recycling bin, when does it get weighed. go on military time, say 12:15,

military time, meaning noon, suddenly that garbage bin weighs in at 80 pounds. they would then know, i wonder if the chip, what do we know about that chip? what will it tell us? will it tell us when the weight went into the garbage bin? >> yeah, i don't know that, nancy, or it is also possible i would imagine that it is when the trash is picked up. it is sort of an automatic system that picks up with an arm, loads it into the bin, the truck that pulls it away. i would imagine it could be weighed at that point and not earlier. jack, you're a little boring.

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our investigation to date reveals that autumn was lured to the juvenile's house where this crime was committed. early this morning, members of the gloucester county prosecutor's office, new jersey state police, and clayton police department executed a search warrant. the search warrant revealed personal belongings of autumn in the juvenile's residence, including her bmx bike along with other physical evidence supporting these charges. >> we are back and taking your calls. a story on our radar, the desperate search for a 12-year-old little girl last seen pedaling off of her own driveway on a white bmx bicycle. awesome pasquale. we are getting confirmation tonight her remains have been positively identified. 12-year-old autumn has been

murdered. her body stuffed into a blue recycling bin and put out on the street on recycling day like all the other blue bins in the hope that she would be thrown away as if she were trash. we are taking your calls. i want to go back out to reporter from gloucester county times, carly romalino who is joining us. carly, there have been a rash of abduction attempts and i don't know what to make of them, i don't know how many are legitimate, but from the m.o. of these alleged abduction attempts, we're getting an idea, a general profile of who may be involved in those attempts and

they're right in the same area. what do we know about them, carly? >> there have been some other abduction attempts actually in bergen county, about 120 miles from gloucester county. right now, gloucester county prosecutor's office has not announced that this is linked to the bergen county abduction attempts and gloucester county prosecutor has also not announced if any arrests have been made in autumn pasquale's death. >> joining me there on the scene in clayton, carly romalino from gloucester county times. to clark goldband, these other attempted kidnappings, what can you tell me about them. 120 miles away is a long distance to be the same predator, but not unheard of. go ahead. >> nancy, i can tell you one such attempt happened this past thursday, just a few days before she went missing, and it was a

13-year-old girl around 7:00 a.m. on her way to school, when at that time a man tried to snatch her into a hatchback, and she got away. >> a hatchback, what do you mean, a hatchback. >> hatchback car. >> what kind of a hatchback? >> i believe a gray hatchback vehicle is that description. >> are you talking about like a minivan, a gray four-door hatchback, i am seeing it now. white male between the ages of 30 and 50, let me guess? >> you hit the nail on the head. >> all right. that was in the early morning hours, it was a girl, a white female. what about the other abduction attempts. what do we know about them. >> there's another involving a girl the same age, 13 years old, attempted abduction on a soccer field. in that one, the girl was snatched and reportedly taken into a wooded area. however, she was able to flee and escape. as you can see on the screen,

these are the sketches of those abduction suspects. >> leave the sketch up, liz. take a look at the two on the left, one in the middle and left. notice the lips and nose, the cheek structure, very, very similar, those two, just that one has facial hair and glasses. certainly would not throw off a professional looking at these. all right. so how close were those, clark, to where autumn went missing? >> nancy, i believe they're both about 100 miles away or so, about a 90 minute drive. >> the one that carly was talking about? >> yes, nancy. i want to stress the girls were both 13 years old, autumn was 12, so about the same age. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v,

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during the course of this investigation the juvenile's mother contacted law enforcement regarding postings on his facebook account. law enforcement were able to develop additional information which led to the discovery of autumn's body late last night. law enforcement continued to gather additional information which led to the authorization of the search warrant. >> you know what, when speaking as a crime victim myself, when i hear anybody talking about closure, you know, i don't know

what that is because nothing is ever the same as it was before ever. you learn to go on and i don't know how these parents are going to go on. we are getting confirmation as we go to air tonight that a body found in a blue recycling bin put out on the street with all of the other bins in the neighborhood contained the remains of 12-year-old autumn pasquale. she was last seen driving out of her driveway of her home where she lived with her dad, her stepbrothers and sisters. she was on a white odyssey bmx. now i'm getting information that the bike has been recovered in a

different home in that neighborhood, but it's not one, two, three, case open, case closed. turns out this bike was picked up by another teen kid that is known for swiping bikes. so bottom line, ellie, that doesn't really implicate the teen kid at all. >> right, nancy. these are reports just breaking. apparently they did recover her bike in the home and they are talking to the teens that live there, but it is not known if they're suspected in the possible abduction or that they picked up the bike, stole the bike, we don't know that yet. of. when you don't use new pam, this is what you get. residue? i prefer food-based phantasm, food-tasm. poultry-geist works too if you used chicken. [ laughs ] resi-doodle-doo. [ female announcer ] bargain brand cooking spray can leave annoying residue.

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two individuals have been arrested and charged with the murder of this young girl. two teenage brothers, age 15 and 17 years old, have been charged with first degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, disposing of the body, tampering with evidence, and theft. the 15-year-old brother has also been charged with one count of luring. both are in police custody at the present time. the gloucester county medical examiner's office has preliminarily determined that the cause of death as blunt force trauma consistent with strangulation. the manner of death is homicide. >> we are live and taking your calls. a story on our radar, the desperate search for a 12-year-old little girl, autumn

pasquale there in a rural area of clayton has come to an end tonight. we are getting confirmation that a body found in a blue recycling bin is that of this 12-year-old little girl. and it is not just in the bin, getting insight into the killer's mind, it is rolled to the edge of the street with all of the other recycling bins in the hopes that some sanitation worker would just throw it into the trash truck and drive off, thrown away like trash. well, it didn't work that way. with me from the gloucester county times there on the scene in clayton, carly romalino. carly, how was her body found, how was it discovered in the recycling bin? >> so far there have been very few details about how and where

she was found. we know she was in a recycling bin near an abandoned house. so far we're waiting for autopsy results and we're also waiting for any more details related to how she was actually placed in the bin and how work crews came to discover her. >> what that is telling me, carly romalino, is that her body is intact, that they're able to perform an autopsy on it. they probably already know the cause of death and i would be willing to put money on it that it is going to be some sort of asphyxiation. joining me in addition to carly romalino there on the scene, a special guest joining me, sheriff grady judd, joining me from polk county. sheriff, thank you for being with us. >> nancy, it is my honor to be with you this evening. >> sheriff, you have handled so many investigations. my question is the fact that

this body has been put in this recycling container, rolled out to the street, that's pretty bold, sheriff. what does that tell you? >> nancy, what it tells us is that he wanted to, he or she, and most likely he wanted to get rid of of this person permanently and didn't want his fingerprints on it. we handled a similar case like this several years ago. now, you can't discount the angle of the cell phone but the police will be looking from the house outward. when you see that she lived very close to this abandoned house and then that's where they found the body, you can believe more than likely they will talk to the suspect within the first 24 to 72 hours of their investigation as part of just a normal interview, starting out with before she was found, have

you seen this child. look for the person you already talked to, look for the person in the neighborhood that's the weirdo, or now that we have the evidence of text messaging and the cell phones, certainly they'll go into and look to see if there's a predator in the area that has groomed her and prepared her to do something that parents would never, ever, ever think their child would do. predators have a lot of personality, they have a lot of charisma. so it is possible that someone in the area that is a predator or sexual offender has been grooming her for a period of time, but certainly you want to start with the immediate area. >> sheriff grady judd is with us from polk county. sheriff, i understand from various sources that she was still clothed. that does not rule out a sex

assault. when you say being groomed, are you suggesting that when she left the home that she was going somewhere other than to susie's house? >> well, if there was someone that was grooming her in the neighborhood or someone she had met online while texting, they very well would have come to her. so they could have come any place to her. that's why with the cell phone and texting and e-mailing and social networking through facebook, we can't just look at the neighborhood, but i can tell uh-uh always start with the neighborhood, then you look to see if there was any relationships developed online. i'm certain the police would do that. but you can be sure that at some point in time this person had an interaction with her maybe through school, maybe on the way

to school, maybe a neighborhood guy, neighbor someone unemployed that walked the streets a lot, but started the familia family, out. see who lives in the neighborhood. if you can discount her cell phone, then he's definitely from a quarter mile, five blocks, ten blocks from the area. if the cell phone plays in it, he could have come from any place. we just worked a case here where people from england came here on vacation. a guy drove from mississippi to polk county, florida, next to disneyworld and grabbed a girl and we were able to successfully get her back alive. but i can tell you someone could have come from 100, 200, 300 miles away, if he were grooming her online and then she said hey, there's a place where no

one lives two blocks away where we can talk. >> right now joining me in addition to sheriff judd is a neighbor of autumn's family who at this hour does not want to be identified. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure, but not a real pleasure. >> i know what you mean. sir, how is the neighborhood taking this and what can you tell us about autumn and her family? >> the direct neighborhood, we keep a close watch on this one street here, high street, west high street, and you know, anybody that comes up and down this block we normally, you know, if they don't belong here, you know, we are wondering what are you doing here. >> you would notice them. >> yeah, immediately, right.

and we recently had a couple of teenagers walking up and down the street that didn't belong here. and the police were notified, not by me but by another neighbor. so the neighborhood's watched well. you know, this is a horrible thing. >> what does this say to you. with me is a neighbor of autumn's and her family's that she was stuffed in this recycling bin and put out with all the other recycling bins on recycling day. >> awful. when i heard it this morning, i was literally sick to my stomach, very upsetting. >> what do you know about that abandoned house, sir, are you familiar with it? >> i know where it is. about it being abandoned, i'm not sure all about that. i know that they were on vine street in clayton talking to

some i guess teenage youth. >> the ones that swiped bicycles? >> apparently, yeah. >> you know, ellie, what more can you tell us about that? >> well, nancy, i'm not sure those are the same teenagers that autumn's neighbor is talking about. it is our understanding that the teens who were swiping the bicycles were on a different street, but it does sound like they have talked to everybody in the neighborhood that may have seen something with regards to autumn. on once empty fields. everyday you see all the ways all of us at us bank are helping grow our economy. lending more so companies and communities can expand, grow stronger and get back to work. everyday you see all of us serving you, around the country, around the corner. us bank.

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investigation which started saturday evening, we were able to through the combined efforts of law enforcement as well as the information provided by the mother which developed additional information led members of the gloucester county prosecutor's office to the location where the body was found. >> we are taking your calls, but unleash the lawyers. joining me, paul henderson, veteran prosecutor, san francisco, daryl cohen, defense attorney, atlanta. joining us, veteran defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions from atlanta, renee rockwell. renee, a lot of people would jump on the teenage boys. they had her bike in the basement or the garage. we know she was last seen on the bike, but i'm not totally convinced on that. and i'll tell you why. if they swipe bikes, they could easily have just swiped her bike after she was abducted from her

bike. >> from the killer, swiping the bike from the killer. but imagine this, nancy, everybody is a suspect, nobody is a suspect. these officers are going to talk to everybody that will talk to them and then they'll circle back around and see if anybody's stories are changing. they're looking in the house, the body is outside, bike inside, dna everywhere. no stone unturned. >> i am very intrigued by not only -- i mean, you can't ignore the bike found in their garage, okay, the girl disappears on a bike, the bike is in their garage, it is in the neighborhood. the body is essentially in the neighborhood, so within a five mile radius. it had to be a neighborhood person i think that would know to put the body in that recycle bin and the day the recycle bins go out. that abandoned house didn't have a recycle bin attached to it. so what i am saying, yes, you have to investigate them, but to

me, it sounds like a teen crime. >> i don't know about a teen crime, it sounds like a horrendous crime. one thing to keep in mind, text message, don't be like that, and two, this was something done at the last second. whoever did it, however many people did it, they threw her body into this recycling bin because they didn't have the time or take the time or have the patience to hide it. >> that's a good observation. a very good observation. >> yeah. so what we're looking at is we're looking at something quick and i don't know that these kids did it, i hope they didn't, but it makes sense to me it was somebody in the neighborhood or some bodies in the neighborhood. >> frankly, i was giving them a break, but now that i'm thinking about the disposal of the body, it is very hasty, very amateurish. i said five miles, it is actually five blocks from the home where this was found.

so i can tell you this, paul henderson, if you have more than one juvenile you're questioning separately, somebody will crack. >> they will. there are two things cops want to know. either they were involved or weren't. even if they were not involved directly in the homicide, they may know something or have information of how they came upon the bike they took, may have seen something, heard something, there may have been clues there that have been moved when they were there. but if they were involved, and you know as i do as a prosecutor, there are so many cases where you see thefts that wrap up and turn into something they didn't intend to happen. that would be a tragedy as well. >> let's bring in dave mack, morning talk show host, clearchannel. dave mack, if this is hasty disposal of the body which it sounds like, i agree with him on

this, there's got to be fingerprints, dave mack. >> there's all kinds of evidence, actually. nancy you brought up something earlier in the program. this is a familiarity area, too, they knew when the recycling bins needed to be on the street. this is right next door to where the recycling bin was in front of an abandoned home. the bike and other things, detectives took other evidence out of the home as well as a couple boys. >> renee, cohen, paul, we all handled juvenile cases. if you put one brother in one room and one brother in the next, i am not saying they're responsible, i am not convinced to that because they had a reputation of swiping bicycles, that may be the only involvement. but if you have two juveniles with no history with the criminal justice system and get veteran detectives questioning them, somebody is going to give. >> somebody will give. and nancy, they might not be involved, but somebody knows something. ♪

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it's my hope that the arrests today provide a measure of closure that the individuals responsible for their daughter's death will be held accountable. i also want to give my thanks to the residents of clayton for their support during this tragic, tragic incident. >> to dr.mannon joining me tonight. will the recycle bin preserve evidence?

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it's an ongoing investigation. we're still gathering all the information with respect to what happened. we're strongly considering waving them to adult court. however, we want to let the process take its part. >> seth meyers, clinical psychologist. weigh in, seth. >> well, you know, this story really strikes me as sadism pure and simple. the person who did this got intense gratification from having their way with her, causing her harm, then disposing of her body. and it's also consistent with antisocial personality where we see to the antisocial person people are objects. objects to just be discarded. >> back to the lawyers. henderson, rockwell, cohen.

i'm focusing back on the teen boys. at first i was thrown off on them because they liked to swipe bicycles. then the theory would be what? they swipe her bike and then some unknown person grabs her and kills her, rockwell? >> no. what i'm saying is maybe somebody planned on meeting her somewhere and carried her off in a car and the bike is sitting there on the street. >> cohen. >> yes. i think the autopsy is going to be just paramount. we'll have to see exactly whether that there was sex and that's what i think we'll have to look at. >> henderson, agree? >> i think that's going to be important. what i think is going to be telling is going to be the conversation and the interviews they'll have separately with investigators right now. to see what information they have about how they came upon the bike. i wouldn't rule anything out at this point. >> rachel kent, social media,