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Understanding 9/11tv Remote Control Killers Russian Missile Officers Unmasked TVRAINENG October 28, 2022 3:00am-3:12am MSK
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there are hundreds of video images from there are hundreds of video images from there are hundreds of video images from russia's cruise missile strikes on russia's cruise missile strikes on russia's cruise missile strikes on ukraine showing rockets in the air and ukraine showing rockets in the air and ukraine showing rockets in the air and explosions on the ground but nothing to explosions on the ground but nothing to explosions on the ground but nothing to show who fired the rockets or chose the show who fired the rockets or chose the show who fired the rockets or chose the targets targets targets until now in the six-month investigation until now in the six-month investigation until now in the six-month investigation journalists from the insider belen cat journalists from the insider belen cat journalists from the insider belen cat and spiegel say they have located and and spiegel say they have located and and spiegel say they have located and identified 33 officers they call the identified 33 officers they call the identified 33 officers they call the remote control killers all members of remote control killers all members of remote control killers all members of the obscure gvc computation group all the obscure gvc computation group all the obscure gvc computation group all offices in russia's military with an offices in russia's military with an offices in russia's military with an educational and professional background educational and professional background educational and professional background in missile programming in missile programming in missile programming phone calls between three groups of phone calls between three groups of phone calls between three groups of these offices in russia show a distinct these offices in russia show a distinct these offices in russia show a distinct and repeated pattern of increased and repeated pattern of increased and repeated pattern of increased contact and communication just as high contact and communication just as high contact and communication just as high precision russian cruise missiles have precision russian cruise missiles have precision russian cruise missiles have killed hundreds and deprived millions in killed hundreds and deprived millions in killed hundreds and deprived millions in ukraine of access to electricity and ukraine of access to electricity and ukraine of access to electricity and heating as russian cruise missiles began heating as russian cruise missiles began heating as russian cruise missiles began to land across ukraine on october 10 to land across ukraine on october 10 to land across ukraine on october 10 killing civilians and damaging
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killing civilians and damaging killing civilians and damaging infrastructure these officers were in infrastructure these officers were in infrastructure these officers were in contact with each other and their contact with each other and their contact with each other and their superiors evaluating and checking the superiors evaluating and checking the superiors evaluating and checking the accuracy of their targeting for caliber accuracy of their targeting for caliber accuracy of their targeting for caliber iskander and k-121 cruise missiles with iskander and k-121 cruise missiles with iskander and k-121 cruise missiles with more on this investigation we now turn more on this investigation we now turn more on this investigation we now turn to journalists and executive director of to journalists and executive director of to journalists and executive director of bellenkat crysta grossef crystal hello bellenkat crysta grossef crystal hello bellenkat crysta grossef crystal hello and thank you for joining us and thank you for joining us and thank you for joining us thanks for having me on the show thanks for having me on the show thanks for having me on the show christa you claim in this investigation christa you claim in this investigation christa you claim in this investigation you claim to have established the you claim to have established the you claim to have established the identities of individuals responsible identities of individuals responsible identities of individuals responsible for programming the missile strikes how for programming the missile strikes how for programming the missile strikes how exactly did you do that exactly did you do that exactly did you do that well we went through a six-month process well we went through a six-month process well we went through a six-month process of trying to find something that a lot of trying to find something that a lot of trying to find something that a lot of people were wondering who is of people were wondering who is of people were wondering who is programming the very high precision as programming the very high precision as programming the very high precision as the kremlin calls them cruise missiles the kremlin calls them cruise missiles the kremlin calls them cruise missiles that have resulted in an increasing that have resulted in an increasing that have resulted in an increasing number of civilian casualties over the number of civilian casualties over the number of civilian casualties over the last few months we talked to many last few months we talked to many last few months we talked to many experts to try to get an idea of experts to try to get an idea of experts to try to get an idea of military experts from russia and from
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military experts from russia and from military experts from russia and from abroad nobody seemed to know who exactly abroad nobody seemed to know who exactly abroad nobody seemed to know who exactly programs the flight paths what was known programs the flight paths what was known programs the flight paths what was known is that each rocket each missile is that each rocket each missile is that each rocket each missile requires individual planning because requires individual planning because requires individual planning because they need to go very close to the ground they need to go very close to the ground they need to go very close to the ground they need to follow the terrain they need to follow the terrain they need to follow the terrain including the latest changes of that including the latest changes of that including the latest changes of that terrain because they cannot crash into terrain because they cannot crash into terrain because they cannot crash into some new newly constructed building so some new newly constructed building so some new newly constructed building so it requires an almost virtual simulation it requires an almost virtual simulation it requires an almost virtual simulation of each flight path so we started of each flight path so we started of each flight path so we started looking at the possible candidates for looking at the possible candidates for looking at the possible candidates for such a job by looking at long long such a job by looking at long long such a job by looking at long long yearbooks of graduates of the most yearbooks of graduates of the most yearbooks of graduates of the most likely schools in russia that produce likely schools in russia that produce likely schools in russia that produce such type of specialists these are such type of specialists these are such type of specialists these are hundreds or even maybe thousands of hundreds or even maybe thousands of hundreds or even maybe thousands of names names names well we we found thousands of names well we we found thousands of names well we we found thousands of names indeed that were graduates of the indeed that were graduates of the indeed that were graduates of the military strategic rocket academy from military strategic rocket academy from military strategic rocket academy from moscow in particular one particular moscow in particular one particular moscow in particular one particular institute of that academy which is both institute of that academy which is both institute of that academy which is both based in serbojo near moscow which uh based in serbojo near moscow which uh based in serbojo near moscow which uh creates specialists in i.t technology
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creates specialists in i.t technology creates specialists in i.t technology for missiles this is public information for missiles this is public information for missiles this is public information we were able to find that so we focused we were able to find that so we focused we were able to find that so we focused on people from there and some other on people from there and some other on people from there and some other people uh from the saint petersburg people uh from the saint petersburg people uh from the saint petersburg naval uh engineering institute who also naval uh engineering institute who also naval uh engineering institute who also are specializing in rockets missiles and are specializing in rockets missiles and are specializing in rockets missiles and programming them and then among many of programming them and then among many of programming them and then among many of these people we found these people we found these people we found um an attachment a sort of an um an attachment a sort of an um an attachment a sort of an abbreviation attached to their name in abbreviation attached to their name in abbreviation attached to their name in many russian phone sharing apps such as many russian phone sharing apps such as many russian phone sharing apps such as telegram bots like glasboga and he meta telegram bots like glasboga and he meta telegram bots like glasboga and he meta search and this was gevitz gbc which search and this was gevitz gbc which search and this was gevitz gbc which transcribes us the central computational transcribes us the central computational transcribes us the central computational center and we were trying to find out center and we were trying to find out center and we were trying to find out more information about this center here more information about this center here more information about this center here and we only found out that it's and we only found out that it's and we only found out that it's something to do with it for the military something to do with it for the military something to do with it for the military we decided to get the phone records as we decided to get the phone records as we decided to get the phone records as we usually do in such a case for the top we usually do in such a case for the top we usually do in such a case for the top guy from this institute a general called guy from this institute a general called guy from this institute a general called robert baranov and he's a rocket robert baranov and he's a rocket robert baranov and he's a rocket specialist as well in addition to being specialist as well in addition to being specialist as well in addition to being an i.t specialist so we found a very
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an i.t specialist so we found a very an i.t specialist so we found a very interesting correlation between phone interesting correlation between phone interesting correlation between phone calls he was getting and peaks of calls he was getting and peaks of calls he was getting and peaks of missile strikes on ukraine we found a missile strikes on ukraine we found a missile strikes on ukraine we found a total of more than 120 calls that were total of more than 120 calls that were total of more than 120 calls that were correlated to specific strikes on correlated to specific strikes on correlated to specific strikes on ukraine and each time he was getting a ukraine and each time he was getting a ukraine and each time he was getting a phone call from somebody lower in his uh phone call from somebody lower in his uh phone call from somebody lower in his uh in the chain of command who's also a in the chain of command who's also a in the chain of command who's also a rocket specialist rocket specialist rocket specialist and also an i.t specialist his name was and also an i.t specialist his name was and also an i.t specialist his name was colonel bagnuke so we had a hypothesis colonel bagnuke so we had a hypothesis colonel bagnuke so we had a hypothesis at this point that maybe we have found at this point that maybe we have found at this point that maybe we have found this unit that deals with planning the this unit that deals with planning the this unit that deals with planning the strikes and then we got this person's strikes and then we got this person's strikes and then we got this person's phone records and we found that he was phone records and we found that he was phone records and we found that he was communicating with about 20 different communicating with about 20 different communicating with about 20 different young experts military engineers with a young experts military engineers with a young experts military engineers with a focus on i.t technology connected to focus on i.t technology connected to focus on i.t technology connected to missiles and all of these communications missiles and all of these communications missiles and all of these communications were peaking at the time just before were peaking at the time just before were peaking at the time just before missile strikes on ukraine and then well missile strikes on ukraine and then well missile strikes on ukraine and then well we spent a few more months trying to we spent a few more months trying to we spent a few more months trying to identify the role of each of these identify the role of each of these identify the role of each of these people we'll look at a look at their people we'll look at a look at their people we'll look at a look at their backs
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backs backs yes i think we started at the end of yes i think we started at the end of yes i think we started at the end of april and we only were able to publish april and we only were able to publish april and we only were able to publish this week so it's it took six months to this week so it's it took six months to this week so it's it took six months to figure out the role of each of them and figure out the role of each of them and figure out the role of each of them and then we contacted and confronted them then we contacted and confronted them then we contacted and confronted them and one of them did not deny that that's and one of them did not deny that that's and one of them did not deny that that's what they do but he refused to answer what they do but he refused to answer what they do but he refused to answer specific questions claiming that it specific questions claiming that it specific questions claiming that it would not be safe for him to answer them would not be safe for him to answer them would not be safe for him to answer them they probably learned all of them they probably learned all of them they probably learned all of them learned from navali's case that when you learned from navali's case that when you learned from navali's case that when you receive phone calls like that you better receive phone calls like that you better receive phone calls like that you better do not talk much do not talk much do not talk much exactly exactly and i think after the exactly exactly and i think after the exactly exactly and i think after the first phone call which was taken or first phone call which was taken or first phone call which was taken or first communication was taken by one of first communication was taken by one of first communication was taken by one of the members of the team all the others the members of the team all the others the members of the team all the others were already warned and they knew that were already warned and they knew that were already warned and they knew that we would be calling so they had received we would be calling so they had received we would be calling so they had received very funny in their view trolling very funny in their view trolling very funny in their view trolling responses to whether they're part of responses to whether they're part of responses to whether they're part of this team they said no we don't know this team they said no we don't know this team they said no we don't know anything about the military i work as a anything about the military i work as a anything about the military i work as a bus driver said one the other one said bus driver said one the other one said bus driver said one the other one said i'm a big farmer a third girl who's also i'm a big farmer a third girl who's also i'm a big farmer a third girl who's also a member of the team she said she's a a member of the team she said she's a a member of the team she said she's a florist so they clearly had received
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florist so they clearly had received florist so they clearly had received such responses as legends from the fsb such responses as legends from the fsb such responses as legends from the fsb handlers handlers handlers so since you have revealed their names so since you have revealed their names so since you have revealed their names you are positive that your conclusions you are positive that your conclusions you are positive that your conclusions are correct and these indeed are exact are correct and these indeed are exact are correct and these indeed are exact these exact individuals who uh um who these exact individuals who uh um who these exact individuals who uh um who were planning while programming these were planning while programming these were planning while programming these strikes strikes strikes uh yes we are sure this is based on uh uh yes we are sure this is based on uh uh yes we are sure this is based on uh very strong mathematics and statistical very strong mathematics and statistical very strong mathematics and statistical correlations but we also gave repeatedly correlations but we also gave repeatedly correlations but we also gave repeatedly repeatedly the chance to these people to repeatedly the chance to these people to repeatedly the chance to these people to rebut to to to say that they're not rebut to to to say that they're not rebut to to to say that they're not doing this doing this doing this um and the only thing we received from um and the only thing we received from um and the only thing we received from some of them were lies and essentially a some of them were lies and essentially a some of them were lies and essentially a confirmation from one of them confirmation from one of them confirmation from one of them well let's put it for for example just well let's put it for for example just well let's put it for for example just for example let's uh take a look at the for example let's uh take a look at the for example let's uh take a look at the the uh horrific missile strike on vinita the uh horrific missile strike on vinita the uh horrific missile strike on vinita in july which took lives of 20 uh seven in july which took lives of 20 uh seven in july which took lives of 20 uh seven civilians including a four-year-old uh civilians including a four-year-old uh civilians including a four-year-old uh little girl so you know uh who
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little girl so you know uh who little girl so you know uh who programmed and launched this strike programmed and launched this strike programmed and launched this strike well we know the team of about well we know the team of about well we know the team of about nine people one of whom did this nine people one of whom did this nine people one of whom did this specific programming at that strike we specific programming at that strike we specific programming at that strike we don't know which of these people did it don't know which of these people did it don't know which of these people did it exactly exactly exactly but even though but even though but even though um some of these earlier strikes during um some of these earlier strikes during um some of these earlier strikes during the last six months were resulting in the last six months were resulting in the last six months were resulting in deaths of civilians even that can deaths of civilians even that can deaths of civilians even that can sometimes be a normal part of warfare sometimes be a normal part of warfare sometimes be a normal part of warfare um because it's called collateral damage um because it's called collateral damage um because it's called collateral damage but in the last month this unit started but in the last month this unit started but in the last month this unit started targeting or programming the missiles targeting or programming the missiles targeting or programming the missiles that target civilian infrastructure they that target civilian infrastructure they that target civilian infrastructure they started targeting electrical grids power started targeting electrical grids power started targeting electrical grids power stations and they admitted not they but stations and they admitted not they but stations and they admitted not they but their bosses admitted that that's the their bosses admitted that that's the their bosses admitted that that's the goal and this removes any goal and this removes any goal and this removes any um hope that these young engineers did um hope that these young engineers did um hope that these young engineers did not know what they were doing and this not know what they were doing and this not know what they were doing and this constitutes according to united nations constitutes according to united nations constitutes according to united nations investigators war crimes so this is why
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investigators war crimes so this is why investigators war crimes so this is why we felt braver in publishing their names we felt braver in publishing their names we felt braver in publishing their names after it was clear that they could not after it was clear that they could not after it was clear that they could not know what they're doing and as i know what they're doing and as i know what they're doing and as i understand you also also proved that understand you also also proved that understand you also also proved that these attacks on ukraine's energetic these attacks on ukraine's energetic these attacks on ukraine's energetic infrastructure were prepared before infrastructure were prepared before infrastructure were prepared before actually the this attack on crimean actually the this attack on crimean actually the this attack on crimean bridge which was claimed as prop as a bridge which was claimed as prop as a bridge which was claimed as prop as a possible trigger for these attacks possible trigger for these attacks possible trigger for these attacks yes i wouldn't say this is hard proof yes i wouldn't say this is hard proof yes i wouldn't say this is hard proof but there's strong evidence to suggest but there's strong evidence to suggest but there's strong evidence to suggest that uh the latest attacks which started that uh the latest attacks which started that uh the latest attacks which started on the 10th of october which were the on the 10th of october which were the on the 10th of october which were the biggest since the beginning of the war biggest since the beginning of the war biggest since the beginning of the war um some preparation for them started um some preparation for them started um some preparation for them started already on the 2nd of october which was already on the 2nd of october which was already on the 2nd of october which was several days before putin's birthday and several days before putin's birthday and several days before putin's birthday and uh and before the strike on the bridge uh and before the strike on the bridge uh and before the strike on the bridge so it seems to be but this is more an so it seems to be but this is more an so it seems to be but this is more an analytical uh hypothesis that they were analytical uh hypothesis that they were analytical uh hypothesis that they were prepared as a revenge for the loss of prepared as a revenge for the loss of prepared as a revenge for the loss of territory by the invaders the loss of territory by the invaders the loss of territory by the invaders the loss of limon for example and not related to the
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limon for example and not related to the limon for example and not related to the hit on the bridge you are talking about hit on the bridge you are talking about hit on the bridge you are talking about participating in uh in military crimes participating in uh in military crimes participating in uh in military crimes and the these specific individuals and the these specific individuals and the these specific individuals individuals are also involved to what individuals are also involved to what individuals are also involved to what extent do you think uh are they to blame extent do you think uh are they to blame extent do you think uh are they to blame because i assume they were following because i assume they were following because i assume they were following orders they were just basically uh orders they were just basically uh orders they were just basically uh programming and they were not programming and they were not programming and they were not um pressing the button um pressing the button um pressing the button what is their responsibility what is their responsibility what is their responsibility they're not pressing the button but they they're not pressing the button but they they're not pressing the button but they are part of the chain of command and uh are part of the chain of command and uh are part of the chain of command and uh in any investigation of war crimes and in any investigation of war crimes and in any investigation of war crimes and i'm not saying it's war cries it has to i'm not saying it's war cries it has to i'm not saying it's war cries it has to be established by by judges be established by by judges be established by by judges um but the evidence should be preserved um but the evidence should be preserved um but the evidence should be preserved for these judges and in any for these judges and in any for these judges and in any investigation of potential war crimes investigation of potential war crimes investigation of potential war crimes the whole chain of command is uh the whole chain of command is uh the whole chain of command is uh reviewed and it's clear that without the reviewed and it's clear that without the reviewed and it's clear that without the role that these young people this rocket role that these young people this rocket role that these young people this rocket could not have flown and killed all of could not have flown and killed all of could not have flown and killed all of these people they were programming the these people they were programming the these people they were programming the flight path they were programming the
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flight path they were programming the flight path they were programming the route and therefore they knew where they route and therefore they knew where they route and therefore they knew where they would land and therefore they should would land and therefore they should would land and therefore they should have known that landing on uh well near have known that landing on uh well near have known that landing on uh well near kindergartens without the precision that kindergartens without the precision that kindergartens without the precision that this is claimed these rockets to are this is claimed these rockets to are this is claimed these rockets to are claimed to have that landing on power claimed to have that landing on power claimed to have that landing on power stations is potentially a war crime and stations is potentially a war crime and stations is potentially a war crime and one important thing that we discussed one important thing that we discussed one important thing that we discussed with many colleagues from different with many colleagues from different with many colleagues from different media around the world over the last media around the world over the last media around the world over the last several months is it fair to publish several months is it fair to publish several months is it fair to publish these people's names and one of the most these people's names and one of the most these people's names and one of the most common answer we were receiving from common answer we were receiving from common answer we were receiving from editors in chief of large international editors in chief of large international editors in chief of large international media was media was media was these people who are participating in these people who are participating in these people who are participating in the war the war the war should have exactly the same rights to should have exactly the same rights to should have exactly the same rights to anonymity which means none as any anonymity which means none as any anonymity which means none as any soldier officer who is on the front line soldier officer who is on the front line soldier officer who is on the front line just the fact that they're working and just the fact that they're working and just the fact that they're working and participating in in the warfare from the participating in in the warfare from the participating in in the warfare from the comfort of their offices or homes in comfort of their offices or homes in comfort of their offices or homes in some cases does not give them the right some cases does not give them the right some cases does not give them the right to anonymity their conscious to anonymity their conscious to anonymity their conscious participants in warfare therefore they participants in warfare therefore they participants in warfare therefore they should not be anonymous should not be anonymous should not be anonymous what other practical outcomes do you see
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what other practical outcomes do you see what other practical outcomes do you see of your fascinating and mistake of your fascinating and mistake of your fascinating and mistake investigation specifically taken and investigation specifically taken and investigation specifically taken and taking into account that the attacks on taking into account that the attacks on taking into account that the attacks on on ukraine missile attacks and shelling on ukraine missile attacks and shelling on ukraine missile attacks and shelling uh will most certainly continue uh will most certainly continue uh will most certainly continue well i hope that um some of their family well i hope that um some of their family well i hope that um some of their family members who may have not known what members who may have not known what members who may have not known what these people are doing will have uh these people are doing will have uh these people are doing will have uh talked to them and and uh i hope that talked to them and and uh i hope that talked to them and and uh i hope that their neighbors might have a talk with their neighbors might have a talk with their neighbors might have a talk with them and maybe some of them will decide them and maybe some of them will decide them and maybe some of them will decide to not continue this job because it's a to not continue this job because it's a to not continue this job because it's a job for them they're going there on a job for them they're going there on a job for them they're going there on a nine-to-five basis they're going nine-to-five basis they're going nine-to-five basis they're going sometimes on night shifts but it's a job sometimes on night shifts but it's a job sometimes on night shifts but it's a job it pays money they can walk away from it it pays money they can walk away from it it pays money they can walk away from it um and i also hope that if they don't um and i also hope that if they don't um and i also hope that if they don't they're at least put on sanctions they're at least put on sanctions they're at least put on sanctions because these same people who are during because these same people who are during because these same people who are during the daytime or the evenings i was the daytime or the evenings i was the daytime or the evenings i was watching western films listening to watching western films listening to watching western films listening to music traveling around the world they music traveling around the world they music traveling around the world they look like like average uh average
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look like like average uh average look like like average uh average moscows in pittsburgh sort of exactly moscows in pittsburgh sort of exactly moscows in pittsburgh sort of exactly they look like urban young people they look like urban young people they look like urban young people um i mean they can't have both they um i mean they can't have both they um i mean they can't have both they can't participate in this crazy crazy can't participate in this crazy crazy can't participate in this crazy crazy war and at the same time uh hope to get war and at the same time uh hope to get war and at the same time uh hope to get a visa and travel around the world a visa and travel around the world a visa and travel around the world thank you very much christy grossef thank you very much christy grossef thank you very much christy grossef about a fascinating investigation of the about a fascinating investigation of the about a fascinating investigation of the insider jointly with other outlets about insider jointly with other outlets about insider jointly with other outlets about about a team of programmers uh about a team of programmers uh about a team of programmers uh programming missile strikes on ukraine programming missile strikes on ukraine programming missile strikes on ukraine thank you [000:12:35;00] [music] [000:12:45;00]
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