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>> representing team usa. [ indiscernible ] [ poor audio ] >> michael white, the founder of the solomon debate leak respect with debate coach, thomas paisley, and champion debater javonis robinson. thanks for being with us.

does it feel as good as i think it would? >> the feeling is awesome to know you are doing great, and we're doing great, actually being seen as up. it feels very much as it should. >> you are recognized for all the the hard work. >> it is paying off. >> what was it, the debate team. how >> it consists of eight people. >> all right. so mr. white, this all started a fascinating story, you wrote two books. essentially about a young man growing up in an urban environment. you felt his story, solomon, solomon's adventures last a good way of helping children to learn. >> uh-huh. >> and learning, helping inner city kids learn what was possible. how did this grow into the debate league?

>> well, the objective was to put something out that our kids would be able to enjoy but yet learn from. and the best way to do that, i felt, was from getting them to talk about the experience. that's the reason why we have a series of books and what it does, it allows the youngster first of all to say this is me. or this could be me. or in my neighborhood, this is something that i know. and once that happened, it was to break down that barrier to language arts would be able to be used. 50% of, between 50 and 90% of children in new jersey, and in new york according to a recent

standard eyed test, kids that are of color fail language arts. and so this was an opportunity to give them something that would level the playing field, and that's why we utilized this book here, and now even internationally in places like south africa. >> it engages them to read this story, put themselves, and even if they're enjoying the story, they're learning and in a way, learning has to express itself. mr. paisley, you were introduced. i think you two met on a train or plane or. >> new jersey transit. >> uh-huh. work. >> you talked to him. he convinced you to read the book. >> i read the book, and it came with a cd. at our school, we had a program

that is now a, it's a transfer school but at the time it was a program. i found that along with the book, and it had a cd, i was able to get it into the classroom, and they were able to work with a lot of different students that were on a lot of different levels. it deceived me at first, but as i read it, i saw it moved up in level very quickly, so we started off with the class debate, and it grew into school debate, and they started to energize the school and students started to talk about ideas and concepts rather than material things rather than people and it was transforming. >> why was it your feeling, mr. white, that debate was a way that could really -- that could really use solomon's adventures? for a lot of us i don't know we would have made that link, but

you made it, and it's successful. >> the link was made by observing our youngsters. they're always arguing. [ laughter ] >> aren't we all? >> the opportunity to argue in a setting where, you know, there are rules and regulations was the thing you had to do, and actually, the go that from when i was teaching at printing trade school, and we have rough children in the school. i had to find a way to get them to be able to settle down and to voice themselves in an organized manner, and so that's when i first came upon the idea of creating debate. >> okay. what is it about debate that you, that really has attracted you and sucked you in and made you good? >> natural, i am a very argument tiff person. and.

>> and an honor necessary man. >> now i see dee -- honest man, and now i see debate putting emotions into a more logical manner, into something that's much more acceptable and means a lot more to a lot of people, and myself. >> and now you know how to do the research, get your facts and know what you're talking about and make your point. >> at first, it was difficult, but i had a grade coach, mr. paisley, he made it seem so easy. at first it was difficult, now, i can do it in a second. >> you're a champion! [ laughter ] >> mr. paisley, you had never coached debate before. but you stepped in because you wanted the program to succeed and to get stronger. you know, what does it mean to you to watch janonis and the other kids to blossom? >> from 2010 to now, five years, and it's really grown. it's really grown, it's really

made a mark. we've instilled our whole community school concept. >> uh-huh. >> because not only do we have other students resinating ideas, but it goes through the administration, it goes to the community, it goes through the, even the elected officials, and believe it or not, we're competitive whether it's a private school, charter school, or the public schools of the it doesn't matter about what type of school it is if you're prepared, you're prepared. >> the last team you beat was south africa? >> team south africa. >> hey, i'm impressed. i'm very impressed and it started with, as you said, these seemingly slim books, and they were more than that. you are in bed-stuy.

>> right in the heart of bed decide. >> and sole man's add -- solomonsbooksonline.com. >> solomonbooksonline.com. >> the biggest thing that they have now is when we met at the consulate for, to determine the debate, south african consulate, their counsel said if we win the trophy, we will introduce it tour leader so, we said if we win the trophy, we're gone to present it to our leader. world leaders's cup trophy has been wound of us, and -- one of us, and so now we need to present it to the president. we certainly want to make sure that if he can, he can receive

that because they work very hard to allow this to be put into his hands. >> all right. thank you all for being with us. and keep us posted. we want to know how that turns out.

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>> they use what they have. they just couldn't do what the guys of color were able to do from the beginning. >> with us today is legendary

harlem globetrotter carl green, and the executive director of our children's foundation. mr. samuel brown. thank you for being with us this afternoon. >> thank you for having us. >> i said most of us think about just the happy facing and the cheering and applause when you say harlem globetrotters. >> right. >> but it wasn't always like that behind the scenes. >> yes, ma'am. >> what, first of all, when were you a globetrotter? >> started in 1954. >> and you were, you played for the globetrotters for? >> five years. >> and as you traveled around the country and around the world, some places, you were treated not like the globetrotters we expect, but another black man. tell us what some of the things the team encounters. >> we couldn't even eat in a restaurant in the south, we had

to stay at people's houses, and it was kinds of difficult because coming from new york, i knew it was prejudice, but not this type of prejudice where they have signs up saying no colored. and that bothered me because you know, coming from new york, i went to junior high school with all black kids, but i wasn't feeling what it was, you know what i mean? >> you were a little insulated? >> right. so when i went to high school, i went to high school with white kids, italians mostly, and spanish and it opened my eyes that they were having problems and we were having problems, too, and so it was kind of like everything was physical. >> uh-huh. >> intimidation. >> and you know, i grew up, i

couldn't be intimidated, my mother taught me things, i stood up for my rights, and that's it. this guy was the same. and all of the people around us, not all, but most of the people around us turn out to be drug killed. and so when i finished playing with the globetrotters, i saw all this stuff around the world, here. i said this is a joke here. they're playing around. those people over there was killing each other in the same places where, bosnia isis, i was scary. >> very scary. >> one night we were in one of the those places and it was time to go out to eat at night, and i saw this man on the sidewalk with his arms so bony, and he

was begging and i seen some wild kids, you know, i said i'm not going out. >> and you were a person that felt like you could handle anything. >> right. >> but you were smart enough to know maybe i need to stay where i am. >> that's right. >> what did being on the harlem globetrotters teach you have ultimately? the things you saw on the road, as well as the opportunity to play before people, and learn all these things from around the world? >> first of all, it taught me that one guy that i grew up and went to high school with place with the trotters too, charlie hawkins. he was a couple years older. us traveling together going in these places, it really scared me because you know, when i was

young, in '0's, the era of the war, and i used to wonder, they cut out the lights, pulled down the shades. when i got to europe and it was still war torn in the '50s, and saw all of this misery, man, you ever know what i mean? it was shocking to me, you know? >> did it give you a new outlook about your often neighborhood? >> definitely so. you know, when i came back mr. brown had been to college, and did things and he walked up to me one day and said hey, you know, we need to hug these kids, help these kids. >> so that is where i'm going to pull you into the conversation. you started an organization our children's foundation. >> yes. >> why was that something important to you? now, you two grew up in the same neighborhood?

>> right. >> but you told me you'd known each other for over 60 years, why was this near and dear to your heart? and why did you think mr. green here could that dream, or help you to make that dream really help it to blossom? >> with me, i had a couple of tragedies in my life, i had a brother who was, who was killed on 116th street over a card game for $.10. i, when it happened, i was away and i heard my mother and father, they was crying about the funeral and things like that and it just decrease like i felt for this, it just hurt me, so i decided i wanted to do something that would make my parents proud. and i knew what i had to do had

to do with kids, and i wanted to make sure that kids would not be the way i were, and that this he would go out and do things to make parents proud, and i wanted to do a better way. at the same tone, i had another -- token, i had another brother that died from drugs. another brother who died of hiv, so we've been through the whole spec rum of things be -- spectrum of things, it's about helping the kids help themselves, the community and parents. >> and why do you think mr. green is a good fit? you're the chairman of the board by the way at our children's foundation. >> uh-huh. >> i've been watching carl for a long time. >> he told me you were always watching. >> he would go down to the, what's the name of the place? arcade.

>> the arcade, and i want to know what is he doing in my block. so i kept watching him, and i saw things he was doing, and i had a lot of respect for him. and so we just hit it off. >> and so, the organization is about 30 years old? >> 50. >> almost 50. >> please, pardon me. and it's a full service organization. talk to me about what it is you do with the children. you offer really everything. >> the first thing, we provide the children with a foundation of development, meaning that we develop our kids of their skills they need for the rest of their life, and work with the parents, grandparenting and small kid, we provide classes fencing classes,

education excursions, all of those types of things, any instrument you want to get involved in, we have those things. and we deal with college, and so that is what we do. >> and i know that a big part of it is, you take the kids, you start really young with the kids, from what i understand. because i was reading, the thought is even a 6-year-old to appreciate a visit to a college? >> yes, yes, of course. the reason for that is that when we say a college, we take education excursion every year, about 12, 13 days, and take the kids to all of the so-called historical black colleges from philadelphia down to florida. we take them to mcgill university, and toronto, so we with kids, and the thought was you know, the other culture,

their kids, young kids go to college to see what big brother and big sister is doing. our kids never had the chance to do that. so we wanted to expose them to that part so they could -- we started as young as 4. >> and if somebody wanted to find out more information about what our children's noun days does? >> call 2-123-167-7040. we are in the process of -- 2-123-167-7040. >> please continue usual if you've been around 50 years, taking care of the children and their families, you must be doing it right. >> trying to. >> thank you both.

>> we'll be right back. >> you called you an artist, because you are an extremely talented young man. >> this time, you're getting a

chance to work with -- you're not redoing the wiz, are you? >> no, we're just celebrating the music of charlie smalls, and celebrating the original choreography that george did, so we're doing different selections from the original broadway production that stephanie mills was in, it's wonderful, we have great cast members coming back, like dede bridgewater, sink if you believe in yourself, the character of glenn dark she will be sing -- glenda, she will be singing with us. it's great to see george in his element. and another individual, timothy graphreed. it's just wonderful to be able to pull from their wealth and large amount of talent and experience they've had with broadway. >> what's it like to work with

all these people? these wonderful memories 69, just the excitement and energy production. >> for me, it's surreal. i was adopted and my father that raised me, he's deceased now, but he used to tell me about his experience in san francisco when he was in the army, going to see stephanie mills in the wiz, so when the movie version came out, i tried to watch it as much as possible, but he talked about the experience, the actual dances and performers on a broadway stage. so it's interesting, george fazon and the other he brought in, it's like they're passing the baton to the next generation. for me, it's something i grew up with. my father was a lot older than me, but they are sharing chavez a bustling new horizon in creativity, even in new york with the way they had jeffrey

holder doing the costumes and all the great people, so for me, it's surreal. it's important i stay focused in doing what i'm doing. each moment, i'm just like a place of just like a sigh, like this is an awesome experience to be able to work with people who span. >> i did get to see the original production. and it was just amazing. stephanie mills and that huge voice and the rest of the cast. why do you think the show holds up and people will enjoy hearing the music today? >> the music is written well. the way that it is set, way the lyrics are set to music is end genius with charlie smalls. when we were going through the score, in preparation before we brought in the cast members for rehearsal, i was amazed seeing

the actual score, how well charlie smalls set everything to music originally and where even if you did not have the script, the music itself tells the story. and it puts you in the environment, in the place just to be able to imagine what the characters are saying, and that don't happen all the time in musical theater, or even in oper find the music, the score, even in the film, it tells you exactly what's going on. >> and this music does? >> it does. >> there's no mistake that george plazon pointed as you and said you're the perfect person to help. you worked with a long list of artists, aretha frank list, winston marsalis. tell us about your background.

>> grew up in augusta georgia, all the time growing up, my parents would watch jessie norman, so i grew up in an environment going to performing arts school where he was doing jazz music, playing in the church, gospel, so for me, i'm a because i still feel that my calling is to do all the styles of music, no matter what it is. i've been blessed to be able to work with the clark sister, gospel music, classical music, jazz, winston marsalisspg, so heartbeat. this actual production allows me to bring all those styles and genres together. >> this is august, the first performance, august 12 rummish play field? >> yes. >> it's free.

you are get early -- you get their early, get your seat. you moved the second to uptown? >> marcus garvey park. that's going to be the 13th 13th and 14th. thursday and friday. >> going to be absolutely wonderful production. and if pokes want to get more -- folks want to get more information, they can go to cityparkfoundation.org. if you want to find out more about your wonderful career, and some of the things that you have in store coming up, damiansneed.com. >> thanks for being with us. cannot wait to see this anniversary celebration. >> it's going to be exciting.

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