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i'm bill ritter. a wild start to the presidential primary season and a wild start to the mosquito season in latin, central, and south america and the caribbean. we're gonna begin this morning by talking to u.s. senator charles schumer of new york on a wide range of issues -- why hillary clinton is having a tough challenge for the democratic presidential nomination, to the angry electorate. but i started by asking the senator about the zika virus. he is now calling for a zika czar. so how is the government doing in trying to stop this virus? >> well, the good news is we have a window of about three, four months before these mosquitoes that bear zika come here, but we have to move quickly. and there are two things we have to do. we have to go to these countries and prevent the mosquito from coming here. we're pretty good at that. there's no yellow fever or malaria, which are carried by mosquitoes, here in america. mosquito eradication has to be done early and strongly, and you need to cooperation of the countries like brazil and

the second thing is, there are private companies that want to develop a vaccine and can do it within three to six months, but they need the backing of the fda, both to speed up the testing, but also to back them up financially in case people don't want to use the zika. they're not willing to invest unless they know they're gonna get some rate of return, like okay. >> we've seen the pictures in brazil of public officials spraying the streets. i don't know if it's willy-nilly, but it sort of looks like that. we have sprayed here in new york city, as you know. we've sprayed in the tri-state. are you in favor of that, though, for the zika virus, just massive spraying for mosquitoes? >> i don't think we have to spray here yet. obviously, if it gets to a bad situation, that may be preferable. but as of now, that's not the worry. but we certainly don't -- people say, well, it's not harmful except to pregnant women. well, that's bad enough. you know, el salvador has such

to become pregnant till 2017, 2018. we don't want to get to that point here. and the good news is we know how to fight this. the president's asked for some resources. i hope the democrats and republicans give him the resources to fight it there so it doesn't spread down there and to fight it when it comes up here. >> let's move on to other resource questions. >> the good news, bill, is we know how to fight mosquito-- we know how to fight mosquito-born diseases. we just need to be ahead of the game. we have a small window, but we can't waste any time. >> well, many of your constituents are counting on you to lead the fight, because it is a problem here, especially with all the travel between some of those central and south american countries of people here, who there. they go back and forth. >> absolutely. it will come here if we do nothing. that is for sure. >> let's move on to other kinds of funding questions. the budget that the president has submitted. the urban area security initiative involved many budget cuts, and it will affect the new york area by hundreds of

this is for homeland security grants, port security, transit security. what do you think of the president's proposal? >> you know, i don't agree with the administration here. terrorism is on the increase, and to cut these funds which -- i helped write the formula so new york gets a large percentage of these funds, so it hurts new york particularly. and cutting what's called uasi, the urban area security initiative, cutting port security, this doesn't make sense at a time when security's on the increase. we're gonna fight very hard -- and i know i have any ally in peter king, so it's bipartisan -- to get these funds restored. this is not the time to cut this kind of funding. >> but it's necessarily the time, either, to take on the republicans. or maybe it is. but you certainly don't have willing ears to listen sometimes about increasing funding or keeping the same funding for new york city. that's a problem too. >> well, on this issue, security funding, first, we've managed to

other large cities and particularly in some republican states, like texas, florida, but second, we have some good allies here. and in the past, peter king and i have been able to make this a bipartisan issue in the congress. i think we can do that again. >> okay, well, good luck with that. let's move on to politics. >> thanks. >> because we've been waiting to talk to you about that. what did you make of the new hampshire primary, what came out of that? both a very impressive victory for mr. trump and a very impressive victory for your colleague, senator sanders. >> here's what i make out of it. there is anger in the land. this anger is not just confined to the far right and far left, but average folks. i spoke to a college student -- nonpolitical, middle class. she said, "my parents could afford a house, i can't. my parents could afford medical care, i can't. my parents could afford college, i can't. what is wrong with this country?"

just for twisting the dial by 5 degrees, but for some real change, 'cause for the first time in american history, the middle class doesn't feel they have a bright future. an interesting statistic -- during the great depression, when people were in much worse shape, they still had more hope for the future than many of the younger people, particularly, have today. >> and what do you make of the top two candidates in terms of getting that change for the middle class? mr. trump will lower taxes. mr. sanders will raise taxes. and in new york, that means anyone making over $250,000 a year, that's just above those who qualify in new york city to live in rent-stabilized apartments. >> yeah, look, the numbers should be different throughout the country. someone making $250,000 in mississippi is a lot different than someone making $250,000 in new york. but what both trump and bernie have played into is anger, and they say, look, i'm gonna blow this system up and start with

they don't specify in detail -- bernie does more than trump -- what they're gonna put in place, but people are so angry that, at least at the beginning of this campaign, they believe in that. now, i believe, ultimately -- i'm a hillary clinton supporter, and i believe, ultimately, when they see that she has thought this out carefully and really has things that will help the middle class, the may gravitate to her. but at the moment, if you had to describe one word that describes the new hampshire election, it is "anger." >> well, we've seen it already in the sort of "outsider status" that trump has had and carson had for a while. you know, bernie sanders says he's an outsider, but he has been in congress and the senate longer than any other of the candidates in either party -- 25 years. hillary clinton likes to say she's an outsider, but she's been first lady, secretary of state, senator, along with you, from new york. what does she have to do? have you talked to her at all about the strategy of her campaign? >> yes, i've talked to here, and, you know, she's as angry as

the daughter of a strict methodist from the middle west. bernie, like me, is from brooklyn, so they express that anger differently. but i think hillary understand the anger. but the point being here -- that those pundits who think that the anger is on the far right and far left don't get it. it is throughout america, and that's because middle-class incomes have been stagnating for 10 years, it's harder to stay in the middle class, harder to get in the middle class, and people really worry -- and the young people above all -- that they'll have as good a future as people have had in the past. >> do you think, though, when people get into the ballot box, when people finally make a decision who they want to be the next president or the nominee of their party that the anger will be sort of overridden by more of a practical sensibility? >> that's the $64,000 question, bill. but i will say this -- any candidate who does not show that he or she sympathizes with that anger is gonna be in worse

so, you have to show you sympathize with it, you have to show you understand it, you have about it. and we'll see, as this campaign evolves, which way people go. >> you've talked about the anger of the electorate and how they're glomming onto certain candidates. how about the races themselves? you know, we say it every presidential campaign season -- "oh, this is just a terrible, vitriolic race and there's just nastiness everywhere," but there does seem to be so much nastiness. >> you know, i am a perpetual optimist, and at the end of the day, i think that people will look for the candidate who has the best positive solutions. they understand, particularly at the beginning, everyone's just gonna be attacking each other. but let's face it -- from when candidate "a" attacks candidate "b," it doesn't make the life of the average joe or jill any better. and they're gonna look for "how are you gonna make my life better?" a college students is gonna say, "how are you gonna help me afford college?" by attacking one candidate or another, you don't convince

>> yeah, fair point. i want to ask you briefly about north korea. a satellite launch. they say it was a satellite. could've been anything. it could be anything. >> let me say this about north korea. if north korea, which we know has a bunch of nuclear weapons and is trying to make more, if they're able to get an icbm that can reach any part of the united states -- hawaii, alaska, or the west coast -- we are in big trouble. and i think we got to be a lot tougher with the chinese. the chinese are playing footsie with the north koreans, and the leader of north korea is erratic at best. that's putting it kindly. and the chinese have an obligation, not just to themselves, but to the world, to do more. we ought to tell the chinese they're gonna come in for some, you know, some tough stuff from us, and that could even be economic, if they don't do more to squeeze north korea. the chinese have the ability to stop north korea because 90% of north korea's trade is over that north korean-chinese border.

we have some tools to pressure them. we should be using them. >> you're up for re-election for a fourth term this fall. >> yes. >> i assume you don't anticipate too tough a fight, given that you're a senior senator and figure to be the senate democratic leader. >> well, bill, you know, the candidates who lose are those who take things for granted. i don't. i work every bit as hard today as i did the day i got into the senate. and i find -- you know, i don't look over my shoulder at who might run against me. what i do is i work hard, and so far, so good. people have respected that and i've won my previous three elections. that's the formula to try and win this one. >> correct me if i'm wrong, but you're now almost, in november, going to be able to collect social security if you choose to. you've been in politics since you were 23. that's right, right? you were first elected to the assembly when you were 23. >> yes. yes, yes. >> you've been in politics all politics. if you -- bear with me on this question. if you could do anything else

23-year-old charlie schumer from brooklyn, what would you have done? >> yeah. teach. i love teaching. let me say something about this. so, you know, my parents wanted -- my dad was an exterminator. he never made much money. so they wanted me to be a doctor or lawyer 'cause those made the most money. and i practiced law just for a summer in law school and i hated it. my dad had this small, little exterminating business. he would pace the floors sunday nights at 2:00 a.m. 'cause he hated going to work. i said, "i'm not gonna do something i don't like." i ran for office. once i got into elected office, my old schools -- madison high school, cunningham junior high school -- came to me and said, would you teach a social studies class in junior high, american history class in high school. i loved it. i would come back and teach those kids all the time. so, i guess if i had lost when i first ran or something like that, i'd end up teaching. but about my age, i'll tell you this -- >> [ laughs ] well, you'll be the next

>> no, no, here's what i want to tell you -- no, i wanted to show you something here. what did i want to show you here? it's in reference to what you said. i tell people that i had my birthday in november and i have a very rich uncle who gave me a gift that i am told is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. and they said, "what is it? what is it?" and i said, "well, my very rich uncle sam sent me my medicare card." here it is. >> [ laughs ] there you go. well, happy birthday come november. well, senator charles schumer, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. thank you. >> charles schumer on what he would do if he weren't a politician and on his medicare card, the u.s. senator from new york. we thank him for joining us. coming up next, our abc medical editor dr. richard besser answering a question that suddenly has worldwide implications -- how do you stop the spread of the zika virus, and what's brazil doing about it with the summer olympics just a few months away? rich just back from brazil, and

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zika infections in puerto rico. there are approximately 34,000 births per year in puerto rico, and so we're concerned with 3,000 deliveries per month, roughly, at the risk of microcephaly there. >> and of course, there's also concern in brazil, the site of the worldwide olympics. in an interview with sports illustrated, u.s. soccer goalkeeper hope solo if olympics were held now, she would not go there. u.s. olympic committee says it will hire two infectious-disease specialists to advise worried olympians about the zika outbreak there. and with all that in mind, suddenly, the zika virus isn't just another country's problem. suddenly, it's a worldwide phenomenon and a problem for many of us here. joining us this morning, abc's chief health and medical editor, dr. richard besser. richard was just in brazil covering the zika outbreak. of course, before joining abc news, he was the interim head of the centers for disease control. well, you dealt with these kinds of outbreaks before. how similar is this to the ones you dealt with before and ebola,

>> yeah, i mean, each time there's a new outbreak of an emerging infections disease, so something we haven't really seen before, it has its own character. so, whether you're looking at s.a.r.s. or ebola or this, there are different aspects of them that make them challenging, and what's challenging about this is zika didn't come out of nowhere. this is a disease that was first identified in 1947 in uganda in monkeys, and it had been reported to cause a few dozen cases of very mild infection. a couple outbreaks -- yap, one in french polynesia -- but again, not seeing this. not until it got to south america and hit 1.5 million people in brazil was there this clue, this sense that it could be causing something very, very dangerous if pregnant women got infected, and that's this severe form of brain damage that they're seeing in a lot of babies. >> we've seen those pictures. it's just so sad. you saw it, right? >> yeah, i was recently in brazil and visited four cities,

north is one of the areas that's hit hardest, and i went to a hospital there and talked to one of the doctors who was running the hospital, and he took me to the newborn intensive-care unit, and i looked through their book of admissions, and it was like, "microcephaly, microcephaly, microcephaly." baby after baby. and it's not subtle. these babies, when you look at them, you see that they don't have much of the top of their head, and it's because their brain did not develop properly. >> so, the victims of this latest outbreak, it's not like everybody's at risk for it. it is specifically towards babies. so, you're talking about women who are pregnant, women who want to get pregnant, which is a whole generation, right? >> yeah, so there are things we know and things that are being studied, and things that we're really worried about. and we know that, for most people, if they get infected, they're not gonna have any symptoms whatsoever. 8 out of 10 will have nothing. >> you won't know it. >> exactly. you will have no symptoms whatsoever. those people who have symptoms, it's a fever, it's a rash,

then they're better. but in pregnant women, it looks like it causes this problem. we don't know what it means in terms of future pregnancies. the experts believe that once it's out of your bloodstream, you won't have a risk for future pregnancies, but the science is just going forward. there aren't women that we've been able to follow for five years to see what happens, and so you can give two women the same information, and they'll take it very differently, and some will say, "well, if you can't answer that definitively, i don't want to go to those areas because i want to have a child in the next few years. >> cdc is sending out test kits to health departments around the country. places like new york, where you have a lot of immigrants who come here back and forth, visiting families and whatnot, might me at more of risk than some place let's say in the middle of the country where there's not a big population. >> yeah, there is a lot of movement between new york and puerto rico, new york and the dominican republic, and those are areas that are experiencing zika. there was just a report out

women in america who had a zika infection they picked up, and then there's already one case of microcephaly in a baby in hawaii. >> through an ultrasound, can you tell if a baby has this? >> unfortunately, not until really late in the pregnancy. and so, they're gonna have to this. so, they're recommending that any woman who's been to these areas during her pregnancy is tested 2 to 12 weeks after coming home. so, if she had the infection, they can monitor her closely. but right now, it doesn't look like you can tell for sure until later on. they look for the size of the head, and they'll do measurements by ultra sound, and calcifications. you can get little calcium deposits when there's an infection in the brain of a developing baby. >> but it's different than the very difficult decision that a lot of parents have to make, women have to make, if they want to abort their baby at three months or four months. >> exactly. it's not clear that you can tell except in the most profound cases. and the other thing that's not

infections that fetuses have when their mothers are pregnant, there's a spectrum. so, rubella is something we vaccinate against, german measles. there, it can cause a small head, but you can also see a child who just had a hearing loss or just had a visual problem. we have absolutely no clue whether zika can cause those subtle things or just a little difficulty in how that child's thinking. and it's gonna be years, as we follow these children's development, to know. that's why prevention's so key. >> quick questions -- hope solo. you understand where she's coming from, i assume. >> yeah, again, 10 people are gonna hear this information, and they're gonna decide different things. that's her right, her decision. some people say, "if you don't this course. i don't want to go there." >> interesting. what would you advise michael phelps, the olympic swimmer whose fianc\e is pregnant. should she go to brazil? >> i would advise that she not go to brazil. i think pregnant women should not go, and the recommendation from the cdc is that if he goes, when he comes back, they should abstain from sex or use condoms

>> wow. interesting to try to stay calm, but also sound the red alarm, too. >> yeah, it's a really tough one to deal with because i think many people are thinking the infection is really, really severe, and it's not. the goal is, as a community, we have to do what we can to protect pregnant women. >> well, thanks for your knowledge on this, and welcome >> thanks. abc news. thanks, rich. just ahead, we switch gears, turn to presidential politics. bernie sanders and donald trump rewriting all the rules, or so it appears. so, where do they go from here?

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and yet both donald trump and bernie sanders running for the presidency as outsiders and tapping into a kind of voter anger that is at once incredibly powerful, but also, to some experts, a bit puzzling. here to discuss all things political, our old friend doug muzzio, political science professor at c.u.n.y. doug, what do you make of all this anger out there? >> well, there are real roots, as the senator said. there are young people who are looking ahead and saying there's no future. there are older people who are saying there's no future. there's this real anxiety here that things are right, and they're going to get worse. >> let's divide up the demographies here and the demographics. young people liking bernie sanders in record numbers, and he's 74 years old. so, the age of the person doing the speaking doesn't have much to do with it. >> no, it's the ideas. in many ways, it's as infectious as obama was in 2008. it's the same message. it's a message of hope and

bernie's rhetoric, though, is far more radical, if you will. he's calling for a revolution, and that can mean a lot of things, but it's a powerful word. >> people were -- some people who believed in the idealistic part of what obama was running on -- were disappointed when he didn't get things done that they thought he would get done. >> exactly. >> it's hard to do things in washington. mr. sanders knows that. >> right. there's a difference between inspiration and pragmatism. and in a sense, the debate between sanders and hillary on thursday was exactly that. she's a pragmatist, she's a little bit of a pessimist. he's an optimist, and he's inspirational. so, you got two really different world views. >> let's talk a little bit about hillary clinton. you followed her career all your career. is bill clinton helping or hurting? >> i don't know if he's had any net positive or negative. he's not the old bill clinton anymore. he's slower, he's older, he's

well. >> and her strategy? you know, she's very controlled, bernie's all over the place. she is very controlled. she says she's the realist. she's angry, too, she says, and she's an outsider. >> yeah, well, we're all outsiders when it's convenient. i mean, they're all insiders. but they are articulating the fears of those who see themselves as outside, and therefore, they are the outsiders. >> how critical is south carolina? a lot of african-american voters there. big support for clinton, but bernie sanders now trying to appeal to blacks? >> that's exactly right. this was supposed to be her first fire wall, and if that fire wall goes down, then the game is really wide open in a much greater sense than it has been. >> briefly about the republicans. donald trump -- is he gonna make it all the way to the convention, or is one of these other guys who are hanging on gonna make it? >> i don't know. i didn't think he was gonna run,

i thought he was gonna fold. asking me, i don't know. there are pathways, real pathways, for trump to win the nomination. >> and who would try for it most effectively if it's not trump? >> [ exhales deeply ] you mean win the nomination or win the election? all right, the nomination? hmm. i would say one of the two florida -- either the governor or the senator. either bush or rubio. >> that you don't know, that so many other experts don't know like that shows how topsy-turvy this campaign is. >> oh, it is. we know nothing, and it's wonderland. >> thanks for sharing your no nothing with us, doug muzzio. welcome back. that'll do it for this edition of "up close." if, by chance, you missed any of today's program, you can catch it again on our website, abc7ny. thanks for watching. i'm bill ritter.

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