? welcome to "our world with black enterprise." i'm your host, paul brunsoson. coming up, my one-on-one with the "new york times" best selling author whose book chronicles the tale of two boys. >> if we're not willing to learn from west or guys like west, we're doomed to repeat this and if we act like tragedies don't happen, they keep happening. plus our entrepreneurs of the week are gaining attention with their secret recipe for wings. >> we came up with stuffed chicken wings, pretty much we figured that a chicken wing is small, you know. a lot of people say they don't

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welcome back to "our world with black enterprise." he's been a military officer, a rhodes scholar and a white house fellow, a social activist and flon tlopist but he's probably best known as the author of the other wes moore, the story of two men growing up with the same name in the same city. do you still keep in touch with the other wes moore? >> yes. i see some people say why are you still in touch with him, don't you know he's a murderer. i try to be very clear. with all due respect, i didn't reach out to wes to write a book so i don't know why now that a book is written that i would stop reaching out to him. never once do i ever make excuses for his actions or for what he did. i don't need a reminder as to why he's in prison. the chilling truth is that his story could have been mine and

could have been his, that that line is really thin between our life and someone else's life. if we act like tragedies didn't happen, then tragedies keep happening. >> you just mentioned tragedies keep happening. >> yeah. >> how do you believe baltimore is different today than it was before freddie gray's death? >> one of the things i know about when i think of freddie gray and the tragedy around his death but the after math of his de what will happen to baltimore if there's no conviction of the officers, will the city riot. actually, my bigger fear is what happens if the only thing people are waiting on is to find out if there's a conviction or not. because truthfully, some of the struggle that we deal with in baltimore, the work we're doing in baltimore, this is going to happen regardless of any type of court decision. these are things that are going to affect the long term stability and growth and greatness that our city has to offer.

moore is most concerned about right now is the struggle of young people trying to make their way in today's economy. he's made a strong commitment to see that more of them make it through college through a program called bridge to you. >> what are some of the initiatives that you're putting in place right now to help empower our younger generation when it comes to education? >> 34% of all kids that start college every year will not make it past their freshman year. part is financial, part is ad is social. kids who walk in and they don't feel like they belong, like this is the right fit. within months, many of them are home and not coming back. one of the things that we do with bridge to you is in addition to a complete restructure of the academic course work, in addition to tuters and financial aid counsellor, the things the students do is take a personal

college major selection but also with internship, job and learning opportunities as well. >> while wes moore says he's aware of how far he's come, what he's most proud of are his wife and his children. >> the things that we have, the titles that we've earned, that stuff is going to go quickly. frankly, after it goes there are real debates about how lasting that stuff is going to be. you're not just going to leave behind but the joy that you have in actually achieving that legacy. >> where do we go in terms of wes moore? where do we go? i'm on the wes moore band wagon. where do we go? really, what is the future? what is the future for wes moore? >> the future for me honestly is i just want to make sure that i'm focusing on impact. there is no job description that i search for. there's nobody's job who i yearn.

i love the work that we're doing. i love the work that we're doing to address the college completion crises. i love the work that we're doing to address criminal justice and youth recidivism. i love the work that we're doing just being able to help people understand how their stories can actually impact the stories of other people. and so the thing that really i stay focused on and stay motivated on is am i being useful. if i'm being useful, then i'm doing my job. >> i have a prediction. this is my first our world prediction. i'm going to make this prediction and i'm going to predict that within five years you are going to run and successfully win an elected political seat. >> i just know that i want to serve and figuring out in which position and realm. i have a tremendous amount of respect for elected officials. i think the vast majority of them are really good and smart people who have the best interest of the community at heart in the decisions that they're making. i also just don't feel that running for office is going to

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? welcome back to "our world with black enterprise." our entrepreneurs of the week had dreams of doing big business in a small town. with a little charm and winning smiles, they proved with the right ingredients nothing is too fat to fly when the sky is the limit. take a look. ? >> and cory simmons have a food business that's taken flight with one new concept. with their cutting edge food and unique name, two guys from columbia, south carolina were convinced they found the recipe to make big bucks quickly. >> we came up with stuffed chicken wings, pretty much we figured that a chicken wing is small, you know. a lot of people say they don't

there's nothing there, all the work. >> it's just like a little bit of meat and you got like crazy sauces. >> every bite is another flavor, another element, another layer, and so we were like, let's do it. >> but when they launched in 2010, they found some unexpected challenges. >> we decided to go with a few trucks early on because in the beginning we met with some venture good, but do people want them. we were like, you know what, we need to prove that people want these wings so let's get a >> from food truck to fame, their brand took off when oprah's own network decided to follow them in their docu-series too fat to fly. >> they came down, shot a short reel, shopped it, bought a pilot, own bought a pilot.

well, and it blossomed into you guys have cool family, cool friends, maybe a reality show. >> own network. >> no one on the planet is doing what we're doing right now. >> i am definitely sold. >> thank you so much. we knew you had something special here. >> we call ourselves the food truck of the people, of the people, by the people and for the people. and so everybody comes to the hanging out with a friend. that's the main thing because you'll support your friend. >> that's what's kept you going. when you have something that good you just don't quit on it. you just don't quit. >> while they acknowledge they still haven't created their empire of wings, they're keeping their vision sharp and their eyes on the prize. >> the future for too fat to fly is something i get excited about because like the sky is the

product. we opened up a business. having fun with that. then we landed on own network. it's like all of these are things that at one point in time were just unfathomable. so now to be in a position where we have all of these things in front of us, it's like, we can do anything. up ne gavel on prison reform. why now is the time for change. stay w. ? ? ? ? ? ? only those who dare

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welcome back. many say the u.s. criminal justice system is in a state of crises. mass inincarceration, overcriminalization, there's an outcry for change in the prison system. the stats are jaw dropping. since president ronald reagan waged a war on drugs, the u.s. prison population has quadrupled. while the united states makes up only 5% of the world's population, it's responsible for 25% of the world's the reality is that 1 in 28 children has an incarcerated parent but for african-americans it's one in nine and poor families suffer the most. the criminal justice system is a $250 billion history with $80 billion spent on incarceration alone. that's three to four times more than what the government spends on education. there is, however, a slow but growing effort to reform the criminal justice system. earlier this year, california

in july, president obama commuted the sentences of 46 drug offenders. >> hello, everybody. >> and became the first sitting president to visit a federal correctional institution. in october, the department of justice began releasing nearly 6,000 nonviolent inmates from federal prisons to ease overcrowding. this week, president obama visited a drug rehab facility in newark, new jersey, that works closely with inmates in the community. i recently sat down with mark holden, general industry who's spearheading a five-step bipartisan plan to the criminal justice system. it's a pleasure to have you on our world. >> this is great. very excited about it. >> these are bleak statistics. tell us, how did we get here? >> we got here because of the choices that we made as a society through our elected officials. it was a bipartisan effort. we decided that it was important

over incarcerate people. what happened was we've had an explosion in laws. criminal justice reform at the end of the day is a moral, constitutional and fiscal fight. >> how was it that you were able to build the coalition? there's a lot that can be learned there and applied to other categories? >> the reality is it wasn't just us obviously. there are many, many groups doing this a lot longer than us and doing great stuff. you have to believe in redemp. 97% of them come out and come back so we need to help them be better people so they don't reoffend. if you look at our criminal justice system today, we've made it a weigh station, an end point for everything we haven't dealt with in our society in a more productive way. people are right when they say they're coming out and there's not jobs and they don't have skills. you're right, that's why we have to change the system. first, they hope to stop the inflow of a certain level of

to go to prison. people get caught up in drugs and other things who aren't necessarily violent. we're now treating people we're mad at like people we're afraid of. we keep some people out who could benefit from a second chance, with drug treatment, mental health treatment. >> you were breaking down components of your reform plan. can you give us more details on each of those pieces. >> it started with the laws that are in place. that's the foundation. wh can we figure out a way to deal with low level issues differently than putting people in prison and changing that. the next part is trial. in our country, particularly if you're poor or middle class, you can't get a lawyer. you can't afford a lawyer. the 6th amendment, one of its beauties says the accused shall have the benefit of counsel. it's largely an empty promise. we're in such fiscal straights

they're not able to do justice for these people. we need to fix that part of our system. the next part is the sentencing part. let's let the punishment fit the crime. two more pieces real quickly. prison reform, more positive experience for the incarcerated in prison, not that prison is ever going to be fun, nor should it be, but it has to be more than punishment and retribution. corrections and rehabilitation have to be a part of that and we're not doing that right now. if you're the warden or the superintendent, your job is to out than they were coming in. if you're not, you need to lose your job. >> you look at the number of, say, whites who use or ordeal drugs and that's at five times the rate of blacks and yet blacks are arrested at ten times the rate. how do we reform the system without reforming the minds of the officers arresting these people? >> that seems to be where police usually are in these

system like an individual and with dignity and respect. you have a system where if you're wealthy, it doesn't really matter, you're probably going to be okay withi if you'r you're going to get it coming and going. >> for viewers watching right now that want to do something about this, what can they do today? >> there are a number of pieces of legislation at the federal level, some of which are up for consideration and will be up for votes soon, let their congressmen know, their senators >> at the end of the day not only can everyone do something, everyone must do something. >> yes. >> i think through this interview and listening to you, we will. mark, i want to thank you for coming on. i want to thank you for the good work that you're doing. we wish you all the best in the future. >> thank you so much. i . after the break, we continue to look at the criminal justice system with an organization that's taking pride in its promise.

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welcome back. while a group of americans take on reform of the criminal justice system, we focus on one organizatition dedicated to protecting as many underserved people as people. gideon's promise is our slice of life. for this group of public defenders in atlanta, gideons promise is doing more than providing legal aid. they're dedicating themselves to representing criminal defendants who can't afford an attorney. 80% of people appointed attorneys to represent them. it's the young and underprivileged who are the most vulnerable. >> i see kids in the courthouses. i see mothers and sisters and brothers fighting just to give them one chance and it upsets me so. so i know that that public defender is the last defense, the last line before their loved one is taken away, and i would be -- i wouldn't be human if i didn't try to do something.

very personal. >> my father was incarcerated for over 15 years. my brother is currently serving a sentence in federal prison. my mom has been in and out of the system. >> what our lawyers understand is that there is no more noble mission than making sure every individual in this country gets the protection guaranteed under the constitution. we have a constitution that really is color blind. it is supposed to, at its core, make sure that we are all treated equally and nowhere is that more important than when we're trying to take someone's liberty from them, trying to lock them away in a cell, or worse, take their life. >> you want to take my liberty, you've got to do it right. >> what we aspire to do through gideon's promise is to change

what we aspire to do is to have people associate public defender with zealous advocate. i believe we're doing that every day by going into court and being the attorneys that the court knows and the prosecutors know is going to be the one who's going to file those motions and who's going to hold both the state seat to the fire as well as the court in ensuring that our clients are getting their just due. it's really about passion, about being committed and about caring about people. i think as human beings, sometimes we lose sight of what's important and it's to take care of one another. when i die, i want to know and i want my children and my grandchildren to know that i did something. >> and that does it for this edition of "our world with black be sure to visit us on the web @blackenterprise.com. thanks for watching, we'll see

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