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service, visit our website at sensatrial.com. [♪...] [music changes] >> i was working at the television show extra and, um, i heard we were doing a story on this product called sensa, and that basically you sprinkled this on your food and you lose weight, and i was like, "are you kidding me? you're really expecting me to believe that?" i was like, "i didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday." so i was like, "there is no way this is gonna work, but you know what? hey, i have tried everything else-- i'll certainly try this." so i started using it, and like that, i dropped eight pounds, like so quickly... i could never even drop two or three pounds, much less eight pounds, and i have changed nothing in my diet. i didn't change my workout program, i didn't change... i didn't do food journals, i didn't do special foods, i didn't order anything... all i did was sprinkle sensa on my food-- that was it.
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[♪...] >> sensa has already changed so many people's lives, including mine. now, this was me 40 pounds ago. i will always be grateful for the help that sensa gave me and to my family for this gift of a new and healthy life. before i started sensa, the first thing that i did was investigate the science behind it, and when i found out just how effective sensa really is from a scientific standpoint, i knew that i had found my answer. just take a look at this. in one of the largest clinical studies ever conducted for a non-pharmaceutical weight-loss product, over 1400 people were given sensa and told not to diet and not to change their exercise routine. in most diet studies, people lose a little weight, but with sensa, the average was an incredible 30-1/2 pounds. now compare that to the other group in the study, the group that wasn't given sensa. they lost an average of only two pounds, so the people who used sensa lost 30 pounds, while the
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people who didn't lost only two. and remember, 30 was just the average. right now, sensa users are losing millions of pounds. so, how much do you want to lose? >> sensa is a huge breakthrough in the field of weight loss. i have not come across anything that's quite like sensa, or at all like sensa. sensa actually works on that, you know, satiety system to make you feel full, cause you to think, "o.k., i've had enough," and, you know, push your plate away, and that in itself is a breakthrough, because i don't think there's any other diet that, that does that. sensa actually works. the sprinkles work, the science behind it is valid, and people do end up, for the vast majority of people, losing a lot of weight. >> i've been practicing heart surgery for 15 years, i've seen a lot of death and dying and a lot of sickness, and this is a product that i truly believe in. i believe in sensa. there's a lot of diet products
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and go. where has this product been all my life? i sprinkle it on everything i eat, and it works. everyone's noticing, and i feel good. i like to look good. i like for my clients to look good. and you don't have to worry about points and calories and pills. there's no complications in this product. all you got to do is sprinkle it and forget about it. >> sensa allows you to eat the foods that you love but helps you to control how much of them you eat. it's really that easy, and it works, it really works. so what are you waiting for? here's how to order. >> announcer: if you've tried to lose weight, there's something you already know: no matter what diets, programs or products you've tried, they've all had one thing in common-- they didn't work. but there's something new that does! right now, hundreds of thousands of people are already losing millions of pounds without dieting. they've discovered the most
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if this sounds too good to be true, just listen to this. in one of the largest clinical studies ever conducted for a non-pharmaceutical weight-loss product, over 1,400 people were given sensa and told not to diet and not to change their exercise routine. all they did was sprinkle, eat and lose weight. and lose weight they did. in fact, the average was an incredible 30-1/2 pounds, and in the same study, the group that was not given sensa lost an average of only two pounds. and since then, hundreds of thousands of people have already lost millions of pounds just by using sensa. this revelation in weight loss is the result of 25 years of research and development by the world's leading expert on the science of smell and taste, dr. alan hirsch. it's so revolutionary, it's been featured in thousands of news media outlets, such as time magazine, the new york times, and dateline nbc.
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sensa is recommended by world-renowned doctors and nutrition experts, and no other weight loss product has ever had such extraordinary clinical results. and when was the last time you heard of a weight-loss product so effective it was submitted for a patent? it is the most amazing weight-loss breakthrough of the 21st century! >> sensa rocks! >> announcer: no counting calories, no restrictive diets, no prepackaged food, no jitters, no side effects, no scary drugs or surgery. just sprinkle, eat and lose weight. it's really that simple, that safe, and it works! it really, really works... guaranteed! so whether you want to lose weight because of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure or cholesterol, or to fit in those skinny jeans, sensa is the easy way to do it. think of how many thousands of dollars you've spent on gym memberships, home fitness gadgets, diet plans and prepackaged foods, and none of them worked.
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well, take a look at this. call now and thanks to this introductory television offer, you can try sensa at home for 30 days for only $9.95! it's our exclusive 30-day "try it before you buy it" trial offer. there's no extra food to buy, no memberships, no weigh-ins... just everything you need to lose all the weight you hate. if you think sensa sounds too good to be true, you'll have 30 days to try sensa at home for yourself. that's right, you're guaranteed to lose the weight you want or simply return it and your credit card won't be charged a penny more. and if that's not enough, when you call in the next few minutes, you can receive a free supply of our brand-new sensa slims, the revolutionary to-go packets great for taking sensa with you everywhere-- a $40 value, yours free! so what are you possibly waiting for? get started on that thinner, trimme sexier, healthier you. and, for a limited time, we'll even ship it free! call now, or for even faster service, visit our website at
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sensatrial.com. [♪...] [music changes] >> i started sensa and, you know, within six months, i've lost 50 pounds and it's been so exciting for me and my family. i don't feel like i'm starving, i don't feel like i'm cutting anything out of my life. i love carbs... you know, some diets i've tried before where i cut out, you know, bread or... tried to restrict those types of foods, and with sensa i didn't have to do that-- i could eat what i wanted and still feel, you know, full and happy and lose weight. i don't have to fix a separate meal for myself. i fix one meal for the whole family and then we all sit down and eat it together-- i'm just eating smaller portions of it. it's really hard to lose weight. it's been a constant battle for me my whole life. you know, you're looking for something that's gonna work, and so many of these diets don't, but sensa really does. it's just... it's an amazing experience. you get to eat what you want and still lose all this weight,
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and it's phenomenal. [♪...] >> sensa works because it combines the knowledge of solid, clinically proven science with the wisdom that any weight loss program has to fit into your lifestyle. how hard has it been for you to stay on some restrictive diet when you're cookinfor your family or eating out at a fabulous restaurant? impossible, right? well, not with sensa. yu just sprinkle sensa on that incredible meal you just cooked for your family or that amazing steak that the waiter just served you and allow the sprinkles to go to work. no special prepackaged foods, no dangerous drugs or chemicals, no counting calories... all you do is sprinkle sensa on and take the weight off. what could be easier? you can live your life, love your food and still lose weight. [♪...] >> diets don't work because they're restrictive. they're based on prohibition, and you can't live your life restricting yourself every moment of every day, 24/7.
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the reason that sensa works and diets don't work is because sensa looks at the back end-- not preventing you from eating what you want to eat but making you satisfied with the amount that you do eat. instead of the guilt and the, the feelings of failure and the oppression that diets put on you, sensa's a natural way of losing weight that's easy to do and is successful. sensa works. [♪...] >> so many people have already found the safe, simple and clinically proven answer to their weight-loss woes, and i'm here today with just a few of the hundreds of thousands of people who have already lost millions of pounds with sensa. like suzanne, who lost 36 pounds... gaylene, who lost 51 pounds... and david, who dropped an incredible 93 pounds. [exclamations and applause...] incredible. it's so crazy to think that that was you-- i mean, you look like a completely different person.
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>> yeah, i was skeptical. i've tried everything. i mean, every type of pill, every type of weight-loss gimmick, you know, i've tried it all and had no success whatsoever, um, and so now all i gotta do is sprinkle it on food and i get to eat what i want... >> yeah. >> you know, it seemed too good to be true, um... but i did, i sprinkled it on my food every day and the weight started coming off. >> that's amazing. >> the second week, all of a sudden, i lost six pounds. >> wow... >> and then before the end of the first month, i had lost 16 pounds. and now, i mean, i feel like a new man. i lost 93 pounds using sensa. [applause, ♪...] >> well, you've seen the clinical studies, you've heard from just a few of the countless people who are already using sensa to make a change in their lives, you've heard from dr. alan hirsch, the brilliant creator of sensa, you've heard it from independent doctors and you've heard it from me: sensa works. now the only thing left is for
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you to try it for yourself. i truly hope that you do and that you find out how much better life is when you are free from the guilt and the oppression of dieting and you start a new life enjoying food and feeling great. you just sprinkle, eat, and lose weight. and please write to us with your very own sensa success story. here's how to order. >> announcer: think of how many thousands of dollars you've spent on gym memberships, home fitness gadgets, diet plans and prepackaged foods, and none of them worked. well, take a look at this. call now and thanks to this introductory television offer, you can try sensa at home for 30 days for only $9.95! it's our exclusive 30-day "try it before you buy it" trial offer. no memberships, no weigh-ins... just everything you need to lose all the weight you hate. if you think sensa sounds too good to be true, you'll have 30 days to try sensa at home
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for yourself. that's right, you're guaranteed to lose the weight you want or simply return it and your credit card won't be charged a penny more. and if that's not enough, when you call in the next few minutes, you can receive a free supply of our brand-new sensa slims, the revolutionary to-go packets great for taking sensa with you everywhere-- a $40 value, yours free! so what are you possibly waiting for? get started on that thinner, trimmer, sexier, healthier you. and, for a limited time, we'll even ship it free! call now, or for even faster service, visit our website at sensatrial.com. [♪...]
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that god will take care of it. at some point, this person will pay for what they did. it's really the only way to be able to accept it. >> christie and rhonda's father, bud fleming, took it very hard. life didn't seem to be worth much to him anymore. >> he was under the care of a psychiatrist for the rest of his life and never recovered from it. >> really only about one thing kept him alive. persistently and politely, bud and rhonda nudged detective davis.
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>> rhonda, i remember, would call me probably twice a year, about every six months. and she'd ask me, "hey, steve, you know, what's going on with this case? you know, i'm just calling to see if there's anything new." >> he'd say, "rhonda, this file is on the corner of my desk. years later this file is on the corner of my desk. i never forgot about it." >> you never lose hope on these things because you just never know when something is going to happen, whether it be technology, whether it be a witness coming forward, whether it be this guy doing something else to, you know, hurt his case. >> yeah. and sometimes it can be as simple as a chance encounter, a fresh perspective, or in this case, a deputy district attorney named john lewin who took special pleasure in unlocking the secrets of old and unsolved cases, and there was something quite unusual about this one that caught lewin's eye, which he mentioned to lead detective steve davis. >> steve had kind of been
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through the ringer in terms of work that he had done in the past and the case not getting to the point of being able to be filed. so i told him from the start, "listen, i'm very interested. habit and custom evidence tells me that we can do this." >> habit and custom evidence? that said lewin was christie's obsessive/compulsive personality. what stood out for him, like some accusing finger pointing toward her killer, was christie's insistence on perfect order, neatness, cleanliness, which is why when he saw the report that those cigarette butts had been found right there at the scene of the murder, he might just as well have said, eureka! >> there was no question that the cigarettes were being smoked at or near the time that she was killed and that the person whose dna was on the cigarette butts in the trash can was her killer. >> why no question there was smoke by her killer? because had it been someone else earlier that day, even a few minutes earlier, christie's
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compulsion for cleaning would have kicked in. she would have scooped up the butts and put them promptly in the outside garbage can. and one of the cigarettes had been left on the counter to burn down to its filter. some more ordinary smoker might have left it there for an hour or a day or more. but not christie fleming. they sent those butts to the sheriff department's crime lab, ordered the most sophisticated tests available and waited. and this time the result was perfectly clear. >> it positively identified art gutierrez as the suspect. >> without any doubt. >> without any doubt. >> and again, it comes back to her habits and customs. when art was talked to originally, he said he hadn't been there for two to three months. now, maybe at my house cigarette butts would be in the trash can for two to three months, but not christie. >> uh-huh. >> those were there that night. >> but there was still one
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little problem with this case. the cigarette butts only placed art gutierrez at the crime scene. they didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he actually killed christie fleming. the d.a. and the detective needed something else to hang the murder on him. short of a confession, was there any way to get gutierrez to incriminate himself without him knowing about it? oh, yes, there was. but it would require an inventive sting operation female detectives channeling an old tv show, a pen, no perp should ever try talking to, and it would happen right in the middle of mr. gutierrez's front yard. coming up -- setting a trap. >> when we get there, our adrenaline is pumping. this is a homicide suspect. we had one chance to get this done. >> to catch a killer "when the smoke clears." ( chef ) all we need to do now is just put our platter in the oven,
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now all these years later when christie fleming would have been approaching middle age, her family got astonishing news. the long stalled hunt for her killer was on again. >> i didn't want to get my hopes up, but i thought, wow! this is just incredible. >> but there was still a potentially fatal weakness in the case. dna certainly put art gutierrez, christie's former boyfriend, in her condo, and her compulsion for neatness strongly suggested art's visit occurred just before the murder. but that by itself didn't prove he killed her. one thing that could help persuade a jury that gutierrez was, indeed the killer, and that was a suspected lie he had repeated to detective davis. the last time he saw christie, he had said, was about two to three months before her murder and never once after that. trouble was, none of that was on tape. the jury wouldn't be able to hear gutierrez tell his incriminating lie. >> there's an instruction that jurors are given that basically
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says that any unrecorded statement of the defendant you are to view with caution. you know, that's a hurdle. >> perhaps even a jury hanger, especially given the circumstantial nature of this case. getting gutierrez to talk, locking him into a statement on tape for a jury to hear was essential. what would you hope he could say? >> well, at least, if nothing else, to, you know, recount his story and, you know, generally people who lie can't keep their story straight. >> so you want to get a lie on tape to compare it to other lies? >> compare it to the original statement, correct. >> but how and who would do it? loosening up art gutierrez after 13 years and getting him to come clean to a veteran cop hot on his tail, that was almost certainly a nonstarter. >> and so the idea that we had was to, let's try to bring in a
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couple of detectives. let's go with female detectives who are much less threatening, much more disarming. >> and, in fact, davis happened to know two women cops who seemed perfect for the job. savvy, cool, attractive, both had a knack for helping suspects calm down and getting them to open up. sheryl comstock and diane harris. >> by lying from the very beginning about where he was, it showed that he had a guilty conscience, and that's very significant. >> so harris and comstock went to work, studying the case and learning all about arturo gutierrez. knowing who they were dealing with would help determine how to handle him. >> when you think of strategies -- and that's why i love cold cases -- you're only limited by your imagination, your creativity and ethically what you're allowed to do. so when you're figuring out, okay, my goal is to have this guy talk to somebody, what's the
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best way to do it? >> if you're talking to someone who maybe is not very educated, you talk to them in a specific way. but arturo gutierrez was a seemingly normal family man with a job. he was an intelligent man. he was a good-looking man, a suspect who i believe thought of himself as a ladies' man. >> and so they hatched a plan, inspired by an old tv show about two attractive and unconventional female detectives. >> we decided we were going to be ditzy blonde "cagney & lacey" kind of investigators. and that was the impression we wanted to give arturo, is that we were just, you know, doing a routine follow-up, that we were doing this on a bunch of other cases. and this was no big thing. >> to keep it simple, they decided, casual, slightly flirtatious, very routine. and so on a bright saturday morning in march, harris and
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comstock hit the road, driving to the desert outside los angeles where gutierrez now lived. >> we had one chance to get this done, because once he finds out that he's being focused on in a murder investigation, he's not going to talk to law enforcement. he's going to get an attorney, and then we've lost our only chance. >> harris and her partner, calm as they can muster, walk up the path to art gutierrez's front door. one chance to make it happen. >> when we get there, yes, our adrenaline is pumping. this is a homicide suspect. >> her fear. if they don't get this right, the investigation is finished, art gutierrez walks. justice for christie fleming and her family, out of reach forever. coming up, the smoking gun. >> are you a smoker? >> yeah. no, not anymore. >> oh, you used to be? >> yeah.
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a tiny tape recorder. a microphone disguised as a pen. a cardboard binder. these were the tools that undercover detectives diane harris and sheryl comstock would use to capture a crucial interview with arturo gutierrez, the prime suspect in the murder of christie fleming. in the southern california desert town of perris, the two detectives rolled up to gutierrez's house unannounced. their excuse? they tell him they were
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conducting a few perfunctory interviews before filing away the old case for good. their plan, to charm him into talking, catch him in a crucial lie, get it on tape. >> instead of fear, i would just say that what i was feeling was excitement, and i was a little on edge. but you have to kind of keep all that down so that it doesn't show through the facade you're putting on. >> the surveillance van was nearby for backup, the tiny tape machine rolled. >> i'm detective comstock, this is detective harris from the sheriff's department. >> how you doing? >> nice to meet you. >> and you like art or arturo? >> it doesn't matter. >> he seemed like a really nice guy. if you were to just meet him on the street, you wouldn't think, my, god, this guy's a murderer. >> they started the two undercover cops with seemingly idle and innocuous conversation, friendly to put gutierrez at his ease. >> do you -- are you a smoker? >> yes. no, not anymore.
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cigarettes, no. >> you used to be? >> yeah. >> you wised up? >> oh, yeah. a long time ago. >> that's good. >> when he was talking to the detectives, he reminded me of eddie haskell from "leave it to beaver." >> god darn, i can't even remember when it was. dang, i was working at a roofing company. >> he was like good morning, mr. cleaver, good morning mrs. cleaver. my, mrs. cleaver, you look lovely today. is the beav around? very innocent insincere. appeared to be kissing up and not being his true self. >> then a few minutes in, detectives asked the crucial question. >> and you had given a statement about, uh, you had seen her, i think it was several months before was the last time you saw her several months before the murder? >> yeah, i think six to eight months, something like that, i believe. >> and that was prior to her murder? >> yes. >> six to eight months before the murder. there it was.
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the bold-faced lie detectives wanted. gutierrez's story, now preserved on tape for a jury to hear, contradicted the quiet and unassailable truth of the crime scene, the dna. he was at christie's condo the night she was killed. just to make sure, they repeated the question twice. >> and so we got what we wanted. let's just see if we can get a little more. would there be any explanation as to why your dna would be found in her apartment at the -- at the actual -- the morning of the crime scene? >> hell, i don't know. no, there wouldn't be any reason why. i mean, hell no. if i were -- you're saying i was there that morning? >> no, i -- i'm asking you -- >> oh, i -- i don't know. i don't really know. but they got him pretty sure. i mean, i went there, i slept in her bed. >> so that could have been left from several months ago when you were there? >> yeah. >> then these pleasant attractive police women said their good-byes to a man who had
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no idea what he had just given them. >> the only reason why he would lie like that is if he had something to do with the murder. when we walked away, it was, yeah, we got him. this is our guy. there's no question about it. >> and just like that, a dead, old case was fully reborn. now the man steve davis had been chasing all these years could finally be arrested. >> you're a free man. you think you got away with it, and then all of a sudden, they drop the hammer on you. >> it was davis who called christie's sister, rhonda, and her father, bud. >> i mean, i just can't even describe to you what a feeling that was for both of us that that had happened. in fact, the very day the detective called me and said, "we just picked him up. he's under arrest for murder," unbelievable. >> but even though art gutierrez, who's sitting in jail awaiting trial for murder, davis felt obliged to warn the family that convicting him might not be so easy.
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>> a circumstantial case is a very tough case to get a conviction on. i mean even with the dna it didn't suggest necessarily that he was the murderer. >> but there was, remember, that one very important factor, the strange little twist that first attracted deputy d.a. john lewin, christie's compulsively obsessive neatness. at trial lewin presented a theory of what happened. that gutierrez came over late that evening, that christie, as usual, let him in, that they shared a couple of smokes and a beer. but then, said lewin, something happened. an argument. an accusation. >> christie confronted him with the fact that she knew that he was married or believed that he had lied. >> which is when, said lewin, gutierrez lost his temper. >> i think that art hit her. he was faced with a choice of what he was going to do. and i think he made the conscious decision at that point that you know what?
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i'm going to kill her. >> death by suffocation is not quick, nor is it merciful. the grisly work takes five to seven minutes, the time it takes for a cigarette to burn down. and in each second of those minutes that tick by, as christie fought for her life, gutierrez had the option of simply letting go. >> and for some period of time where he made the obvious choice to continue, he could have stopped, and he didn't. and ultimately she paid the price. >> i don't believe he went over there to kill her. i never did. i never argued to the jury that he did. but there's a point in time where he made the conscious decision -- he says, you know what? here's where i'm at. and this is what i have to do. and he carried through with it. >> and what does that make it? >> that makes it a first-degree murder. >> and how could the jury know? the dna put him there that night. the tape-recorded lie revealed a
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guilty conscience. still, when the jury retired to consider a verdict, and the first full day dragged by with no verdict -- >> i was scared to death they were going to say not guilty. looking at the jurors' faces, i just couldn't tell where they were going. >> it took them a day and a half. arturo gutierrez was found guilty of murder in the first degree. a secret preserved by a cigarette for 14 years finally produced justice, that and a detective's determined patience. >> any time you convict a murderer, that's a good thing. but when you convict somebody that you know has gotten away with it for 14 years, that's a long time. and so to finally see justice served, that's a good feeling. >> bud fleming did not quite live to see it happen.
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his early death made for a gaping absence at the trial. did it hasten his death? >> absolutely. he really aged, really took its toll physically, mentally. he wasn't a healthy guy. and then, of course, all these years going by thinking that art got away with this. >> but he did live long enough, said rhonda, to see his daughter's killer arrested and charged, long enough to know his daughter would not be forgotten. >> christie really solved her own murder. without christie's obsessive compulsive personality, this case never would have been solved. never. >> it's not often a case this cold will ever see justice. then again, it's not too often either the victim herself can finally help crack a difficult case.
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