the big story tonight is that president obama worked time in his schedule to visit maryland this afternoon. it is all part of an effort to fire up democratic voters. >> he went to support o'malley. >> gov. o'malley is doing something many democrats across the country are for it to become members the president. he has done this since day one and mr. obama was not even his first choice. ♪ >> president barack obama got a rock star reception at the bowie state university. >> it is an honor to be standing here with one of the best governors in the united states of america, martin o'malley. [cheers and applause] it is meant to be with someone who has always had my back.

>> this is the get out of the rally for gov. martin o'malley and other democratic candidates. >> two years ago, barack obama said to america, "yes, we can." together, we're creating jobs once again in maryland. 33,000 net new jobs this year, our best year since the year 2000. >> mr. obama is also helping o'malley form a constituency that experts consider a key to keep his seat, the african- american community. >> over the years, it has gotten muddled. >> polls show malate pulling ahead of his republican opponent. but low voter turnout still is a concern. >> he walks the walk, not just talks the talk. the we cannot maintain this progress if our opponents have their way.

at a time when the education of our country's citizens is one of the biggest predictors of economic success. >> several o'malley accomplishments resonate with voters. o'malley pledges to continue to provide additional education funding for district where the cost of living is high. o'malley is also stemming home foreclosures. >> martin has been a great governor. which is why i hope you are fired up in these last few weeks. [cheers and applause] >> lt. gov. brown called o'malley obama's change agent and maryland. president repeated many of the things. campaign >> there is continuing commitment of the 2010 coverage on our website.

it is all on wbaltv.com. >> on "politics." -- click on "politics." >> jurors have gone home without reaching a verdict. >> it appears that whatever jurors had as a problem, what ever led to the impasse they had yesterday has now been settled. they were back working on it all day today. in jury deliberations continued thursday after jurors announced to the day before that they were deadlocked on the counts of felony murder and conspiracy. judge david ross told them to continue trying to reach their verdict. jurors are reviewing more than 50 pieces of evidence and three weeks of testimony. for each defendant, the jury must decide 29 charges.

according to the prosecution's case, williams, calls, and mckinney conspired to commit the arm robbery in 2008. in the commission of that crime, former baltimore city councilman ken harris was shot as he tried to flee. he made it to his car, but crashed moments after being shot in the back. the defense claims the police investigation was flawed. dna from the defendants were found on bandanas and los police located not far from the robbery scene durin. >> my client is nervous, excited, and wants to get this over. i am in the same position. i am glad they're taking as much as they are, going through everything. i am just hoping for a quicker resolution than a long resolution to this verdict. >> jurors will be back again tomorrow to continue deliberating.

>> a scathing report -- hannah wheeling was found beaten and choked to death outside of the facility back in february. the 27-page report shows confusing policies, a lack of video cameras, and a shortage of staff. a 13-year-old boy who was detained at the center has been charged as a juvenile with homicide and attempted rape p.m. while the state department of labor cited the juvenile services department for its failure to adhere to safety standards. >> it was a horrendous crime. the woman convicted of killing a pregnant woman from power -- from anne arundel county has been sentenced in oregon. korena roberts will spend the rest of her life behind bars for the 2009 murder of 21-year-old heather snidely. she met roberts through

craigslist with the intent of buying a close. instead, robert bludgeoned her to death and cut the baby out of her womb, two months before she was to give birth. >> it is a tough one to swallow. you come out to a place for a fresh beginning and to have something so tragic happen with such good intentions. >> roberts pretended she was the mother and called 911 to report the infant was not breathing. doctors were not able to save the baby. as part of the plea deal, roberts avoided the death penalty. >> they have made the largest drug busts in county history. at least two people are behind bars after investigators found marijuana plants and other illegal items in cited where house. -- inside a where house -- inside a warehouse.

>> they investigated and were stunned by what they found. >> one of the biggest marijuana seizures in maryland history has taken place in the last 48 hours. in fact, this is the largest baltimore county single investigation seizure to date. >> monday night, baltimore county police raided a warehouse in the 7600 block of canton center drive in east point. they found an elaborate marijuana grow house. >> they are recovered at this location 478 individual marijuana plants. in addition, there were another 640 pounds of processed marijuana ready for distribution throughout the baltimore metropolitan area. >> joseph guadagnoli was arrested >.

>> they seemed like a really nice people. they kept to themselves. he would not think there would do something like that. >> it is kind of strange. people you figure you know and trust have a business next door .ou ad it is kind of strange. >> they noticed a rare smell. but they never suspected this. after an investigation that lasted two months, they are pleased to shut this drug operation down a request these arrests have disrupted -- operation down. these arrests have disrupted the distribution of narcotics and our community. >> if convicted, they could face up to 10 years in jail. >> in tonight's educational lives, school districts across the country return to get a

handle on cyberbullying using the internet and other electronic devices to threaten or harass a person can get you in trouble with police. this is so much a part of their everyday world. what did they have to say? >> they have a lot to say about what the bills could do to set boundaries. they were asking questions and giving plenty of advice on the pressing technology issues. these maryland has was doomed became experts on cyber ethics, safety, and security. students shared their concerns with law enforcement and business about how to speak the same language on topics such as cyberbullying. >> they really do not understand the effect they can have when they do that. it is important to educate students because, nowadays, even 6-year-olds have cell phones and

accounts online. >> i do not think they realized that it is permanent and that you cannot delete. maybe a month later, someone will learn about it pierre >> they do not realize it is therefore other and there are so many ways that other people can hack into their account and see what they are saying. >> much of what has been said may help shape school policy across maryland pierre >> we have some great ideas, but, sometimes, we miss the boat with connecting with what kids really see as important or not as important. >> of the members of the cyber generation were quick to offer on-the-spot advice to parents before their children long gone. >> be careful. teach them that, if you say certain things, you can get sued. you can ruin your life. you have to be careful of the illegalities. they do not want to give house information yourself

confirmation on your facebook. but i do not think that children's know what their kids are posting on their facebook exactly. >> -- but i do not think that parents know what their kids are posting on their facebook exactly. >> this includes a guide for helping parents deal with bullying. >> still ahead, ideas that " forbes" considers the most important women in the world. >> we have the reason for the increase in medical surge. -- in medical alert. >> burress we did today, but a beautiful stretch of autumn weather coming in -- brisk wind

today, but a beautiful stretch of on whether coming in. eaks to send jobs over seas. eaks to send jobs over seas. i think we need tax breaks to send kids to college. so i worked for a $2,500 tax credit to help pay for college. fought to get pell grants expanded and insisted that college loans go directly to kids instead of through banks. i'm barbara mikulski. i approve this message. because it's not about the next election,

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today marks the 10 years after the beginning of the war of afghanistan. the netherlands already pulled their troops out, the first nato country to do so. the canadians say they will leave next. the consensus is that the u.s. and its allies failed to defeat the taliban. >> the taliban militants were not broken. they were able to expand and retreat and intensify attacks. >> extra american troops are now on the ground in afghanistan. alert, aight's medical new study next waist size with medical problems in america.

they found conventional risk factors for diabetes, such as age, smoking, and body mass index similar between english and american populations. however, men had wais averaging three centimeters' -- men had averaging three centimeters' larger than their english counterparts. arthritis is limiting normal activities. a complicating factor is extra weight carried by baby boomers. >> about one out of every five adults in this country suffers from arthritis, a painful condition that occurs when joints begin to break down. experts say they expect that number to decreased -- to increase dramatically over the next two decades.

americans are aging and gaining weight. >> baby boomers, by and large, are overweight in this country. >> a new report estimates 76 million americans will have arthritis by two thousand 30, a significant jump from the 50 million who have it now. >> for some people, this means they cannot get dressed. they cannot climb stairs. they cannot enjoy recreational activities. >> he is president of the arthritis foundation. he says arthritis is the leading cause of disability in this country. >> one of the main reasons is struggling disability from arthritis. that deserves our attention. >> the first thing that deserves attention is the scale. >> women smokers with lower

levels of the education were also at greater risk for arthritis. >> we had a welcome return to lots of sunshine. there is a bit of a breeze to contend with. we are in the clear as far as storms going through our region. you can see the satellite pictures with clear skies from pennsylvania down to virginia. it is a little cool in the mountains. it is very comfortable across the eastern seaboard. the wind has been strong throughout the day, at least through the afternoon, still gusting over 20 miles per hour

through southern delaware. the wind will gradually diminish. los and that will be 43 degrees to 50 degrees. there are still if you leftover showers at the adirondacks. look at all the weather stretching west of us now. low pressure will leave and high-pressure comes in. a stretch of mild conditions will stretch all the way back to the foothills and the rockies with sunspots appear in the 80's. sunny days and clear nights. if you look closely, our models indicate more clear weather. this week front will come in from the north on saturday. other than that, there is nothing moving through our region for the next few days.

we will have partly cloudy skies and and it will not change the temperature either. on the day tomorrow, westerly wind not nearly as strong as today. bay water temperatures will be at 70 degrees at baltimore harbor. here is low pressure in the tropical atlantic. this is a tropical storm o otto. it is not organized, but the wind is strong at 60 miles an hour. this is east northeast, with for months, and will stay hopefully from many major land. as it moves across the atlantic over the next few days. it does not appear to be a problem for folks here or in bermuda. there will be sunny skies on friday.

there will be great football weather on friday for the ravens. there will be a chance for a shower monday evening and into tuesday. that chance goes up to 30% next wednesday and thursday. >> thank you. the governor of texas is demanding some results after the posted murder of an american near they u.s.-mexico border. he is also calling on u.s. officials to step up security. >> it is not unusual to have internet access at ana hospital. details are next.

after months of martin o'malley telling us "maryland is moving forward," "and moving maryland forward" this jobs report tells the truth maryland's economy stalled "we face an uphill struggle in trying to regain the jobs lost" o'malley attempts a cover-up, falsifying the jobs report to help his campaign. "whatever we can do to make it disappear, we need to do it. that's coming straight from the top" martin o'malley, first he makes stuff up, when caught, he covers stuff up. we need a governor who tells the truth.

i'm frank kratovil and i approve this message. the real andy harris. his past attacks have been called deceptive, his new attack, false. harris voted for deregulation increasing our electric bills by 72% it's not surprising, harris always sides with the big guys. he opposes cracking down on wall street and supports tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. harris even opposed making big insurance cover cancer screenings. andy harris' extreme ideas will cost us.

>> federal funding to help victims of domestic violence was announced today by state leaders. they awarded $10 million for distribution among 143 treatment programs across the state. the center in baltimore county is one of the locations. >> no one should feel there has been or her boyfriend will hurt her or kill her or abuse her or

abuse her children. we will have a place where she can go for shelter and for help and the men who are acting out their fear and frustration in violence have a place to go. >> more than $100,000 was given to the family crisis center here in baltimore. meanwhile, a new domestic violence website is up and running to help teenagers in maryland and calls -- and all across the nation. >> people do not want to talk. people don't to say, "i am a victim of domestic violence." having a system like this shows that we can shut down the suns. >> -- shut down the silence. >> it is the last of on a traveling exhibit. it is here that the house of ruth is now taking up another

program. it is to help young people through a new website. youlovemeyoulovemenot.com. >> it is not just going into cyberspace. you can connect to a service agency that is trying to work but teenagers in this issue appeared >. >> she says in the website reaches kids online, where they live. it put the issue of teen domestic violence on the forefront. >> on the one hot -- the website will include information about teen violence, how to talk with somebody about the issue, who it is said to talk with, and how to read their current relationship to see if it is a healthy one. they can also get tips to make changes for that relationship >> they partnered with the national

chapter of of a kyle mega -- of alpha chi omega. >> it is to spread the message to younger women and young men about the dangers of dating violence appeared >> one in four girls will experience dating violence before they graduate high school. >> that is a good project. still ahead, we will recap the day's top stories, including the search for this man, who police say beat an elderly man to death. >> the continued to follow the developments abroad where toxic sludge from hungary is endangering neighboring countries. >> can president obama work his old magic? the story is coming up next.

>> president obama comes to maryland to fire up democratic voters and give a boost to governor martin o'malley is reelection bid. it is not only in maryland where they are has been a tough campaign season. the struggle is really intense for who controls congress.

>> republicans have some momentum in key states. but president obama has upped his game. >> early voting in ohio and president obama and his democrats tried to hold their majority in congress. >> it is up to you to show the pundits that you care to much to let this country fall backwards. they figure, obama is not on the ballot and you will not come out and vote. >> troll -- 12 states are in place. democrats are ahead in the polls in california and connecticut. republicans are ahead in indiana and north dakota. there are tight races in seven states. >> stimulus, obamacare. >> east coast actors played blue-collar. but republican john racy is ahead of the polls, running against harry reid.

sharon angle is ahead in some polls. marco rubio has a big lead in the three-candidate florida rep senate race. christine o'donnell is so far down she may not get republican party funds. >> i am very confident that, even if they do not, we are building coalitions and we are building a strong grass-roots campaign. >> michael steele is sounding like a tea party. >> we want our country back. >> come november, he says, republicans will be smiling. >> but warning voters against the gop takeover, democrats with president obama were in maryland chanting ford, not back. -- chanting forward, not back. >> join us for a live report

from bally university. you can also follow the campaign on our website. you can also find your local polling place and check your voter registration status. >> here is a look for the other top stories. baltimore city police need your help in tracking down a suspect. gary latham is charged in the beating death of 73-year-old john sandy. he is currently on the run. he was attacked back in april and died from his injuries in july. if you know of late and's were about, you are urged to call police. latham's know of we cf whereabouts, you are urged to call police. >> judge ordered jurors to give back to work. police are calling it the biggest drug busts in baltimore county history.

joseph guadagnoli and another person were arrested after police discovered a marijuana growing operation in a warehouse this week. the two-story warehouse had about $12,000 worth of cash and other equipment as well. the juvenile was also arrested. >> it has been a full week and there are no solid answers about what happened to a missing tourists along the texas-mexico border. his wife says that he was murdered by pirates from a mexican drug cartel. now the governor of texas is leaning on both u.s. and mexican authorities to step up their efforts along the border. >> as the mystery in these waters seems to grow even deeper, texas gov. rick perry is now stepping up his demand for answers. he is giving the mexican president 48 hours to find solid information about what happened to missing tourist david

hartley. >> we have an american citizen who was gunned down on international waters and we need to get his body back. >> his wife tiffany says he was gunned down by pirates as the couple was returning from a sightseeing trip along the mexican-side of felt like. wednesday, she made her first trip back to their. >> i went to the late to be able to lay flowers down and honor him and say goodbye. >> the mexican ministry sent a message saying that they have stepped up their action with boats and helicopters. but they also continued to question tiffany harley's story, suggesting she could be responsible for her husband's disappearance. there are allegations of that she has repeatedly denied. >> i love him very much. i went back to help them. i have no proof. i have no cameras.

i have nothing. i do not have the photographs we were taking. i do not have anything except for my word. >> and the relentless drive to do something she says that she could not on the day of the attack. >> i want him back so that we could give him the proper goodbye. >> texas gov. rick perry is also pushing the obama administration to add at least 1000 more soldiers along the texas-mexican border. >> the red toxic sludge and that spilled from a reservoir in western hungary has now reached the danube river. it ended up in the marco river, a tributary that feeds into europe's second longest river could an estimated several cubic feet of sludge. many people have been left with chemical burns. they are testing the danube for

contamination. >> "forbes" magazine, who they consider to be the world's most powerful woman. >> people are not pawning to get rid of. people are pawning to borrow money and come back and get it. >> the role of pawnshops seems to be changing. consumers are getting creative in this downturn economy.

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only from auto service plus. service you can trust. two governors, two different approaches. even in good times bob ehrlich didn't make education a priority. he increased college tuition by 40%, cut school construction by $200 million, and ehrlich voted to eliminate the department of education while serving in congress. but in the toughest of times, martin o'malley has made record investments in public schools, new school construction, and o'malley froze college tuition four years in a row. with martin o'malley, our children always come first.

>> and long trail of damage has been left behind from at least four tornadoes that hit arizona yesterday. dozens of motor homes flipped over and cars and trucks and debris were scattered all over the highway. at least 15 homes in the community were so badly damaged that they have been deemed uninhabitable. >> people were scared and ran into the room. next thing you know, the roof was lifted. he said he saw the eye of the

tornado and he said he could see the lightning in the eye of the tornado. >> despite four tornadoes and all the damage, no deaths or injuries have been reported. there is new information in the death of jerry coleman. officials in utah said that he died of natural causes. the 42-year-old actor died two days later after an accident. there have been numerous legal battles over his estate. the former child actor reportedly left behind multiple wills. >> forbes has released its most powerful women's lives. it is no surprise that at the top of their list is first lady michelle obama. over came in third -- oprah came

in third. secretary clinton was fifth. lady gaga was no. 7. and ellen degeneres rounded out the top 10. >> still ahead, if you're looking for the best deals, find out why now is the best time to buy a home. >> just because you have a page on facebook, it does not mean that you want all your friends to see it. >> this year, pumpkins are plentiful. that story is coming up. >> clouds and showers are out of here. now we have some sunshine in abundance. we are in for a couple of nice october days. there are blue skies across the baltimore area.

>> here is a look at what we are working on for news at 6:00 p.m. he is in the middle of the toughest congressional races in maryland. why he believes he will beat his republican opponent. the biggest bust in history, details on who was behind it and how they got caught. we will have these stories for you and much more when

the annual chocolate affair is now underway at lexington market.

cakes, ", candy, and there is 4:00 with live music until no p.m. with halloween around the corner, it is the time of year to find that very special pumpkin appeared >. >> last year, it was slim pickens. but this year is a different story. >> if you are in the pumpkin business, what a difference a year makes. what do you see? >> a pumpkin right there. >> he knows what he is looking for. if you happen to be looking for pumpkins this october, it has been a good season. >> what does it look like this year? >> we have a great crop. thousands and thousands of pumpkins in every spot. >> here at rogers farm, there were plenty of little ones looking for their halloween pumpkins. and there are plenty of good ones. >> last week's wet weather was not great, but we feared very

well in this part of a county. so it is still looking like a bumper crop. >> but last year? >> kids were picking up pumpkins that normally and squishy. so this year, we were hoping for better results. it rained almost every weekend last fall and pumpkins do not grow well with wet weather. mold is their enemy. once mold starts in a pumpkin crop, it is tough to get a good crop out of it appeared >> today -- out of it. >> they grow all kinds and this year, they are plentiful. you got your pumpkin. >> i got the pumpkin! i got the pumpkin! >> i want a pumpkin, too. it is time for you to get a pumpkin. that is for sure.

pick some apples, too. that is what i feel like doing this time of year. it is a need for degrees at the inner harbor. there is nothing in the rain gauge. it looks like we will stay quite mild and comfortable for the next few days. the record low for today is 35 degrees back in 2001. the record amount of land for -- of rainfall also occurred in two thousand five. -- in 2005. 16 miles per hour wind and clark's town. this may be the only little weather problem we had to deal with today. gusty wind. but the skies have been clearing. the end result is a beautiful

weather pattern, from 57 degrees in oakland to 60 degrees in ocean city. it is about 79 degrees in charlottesville. it is cooler on the pennsylvania border. we will be in the 40's for most spots tonight. it will be 50 degrees for the inner harbor. the wind will gradually diminish in the evening and come down to 5 miles per hour. this system will move up to northern maine and into canada appeare. there will be several days a fantastic weather. it is very hard to see. there are some scattered clouds. that is a week dry front moving through that will come into the mid-atlantic for the next few days.

there will be wall-to-well sunshine tomorrow. the days are getting shorter. the sun is going down now at 6:38 p.m. they water temperatures are backing off a bit at 63 degrees. it is autumn glory weekend coming up at mccaffrey and oakland for the next few days. it is a great time to be out in western maryland. air temperatures will be comfortable around western maryland around the bay, 71 degrees with scattered clouds. there should be fantastic weather as well. 75 degrees tomorrow and saturday, with mostly sunny skies. there will be great football weather on sunday. there is a chance for char monday evening at 20%. that lingers into tuesday. there will be a slightly better chance for showers on wednesday and thursday. >> the tough economy is paying

off for pawnshops and mortgage rates have dropped to historical lows. >> it seems that mortgage rates have fallen to a record low. rates for 30-year mortgages have dropped to 4.27%. that is the lowest since they started keeping track back in 1971. 15-year mortgage rates fell as well. and despite the low rates, there has still not been a jump in home sales. according to the national association of realtors, in august, existing home sales were the second lowest on record a positive sign -- on record. a positive sign that things are getting better, the labor department announced that unemployment dropped by 11,000 last week. wall street analysts had expected a small increase. it has been rare to see weekly applications fall below 450,000 this year. it has a reputation for

attracting the down and the out, a place for people trading family treasures for a few bucks. but upon -- but pawnshops' say that is not fair. >> i have an accordion, banjo, keyboard -- >> this pawnshop is full of issue is treasures, items pond and a loss. but he says to not get the wrong idea appears most people coming to the pawnshop -- the wrong idea. >> most people coming to the pawnshop drop their things off. >> he says that most people that pawn off come back to buy their stock back pierre >> they come to borrow money and come back and get it. >> sometimes it is the only way to get money. >> james ward to make -- james ward came to make the payment. >> i never miss a payment. >> in today's economy, pawnshops

say they are seeing more middle and upper class customers coming in for money and the items they are dropping off are more valuable. >> now we have $500, 100 -- what thousand dollars, $5,000 loans. people need to pay their rent and the their mortgages. >> people are trying to get their items back, but it is taking longer than itthey used to. people upon because they do not want to sell. >> you can get money and go back and pick it up without getting rid of it. >> people who pawned say that coming here means they do not have to use a credit card. instead, they take out a four- month loan. they use a powerful, a ring, baywatch, or an acoustic guitar. -- a ring, a watch, or an acoustic guitar.

>> when it comes to buying in a pawnshop, do not pay the sticker price. they are often willing to negotiate. you will be able to choose which friends can seek on facebook. facebook has more than 500 million users worldwide. wbal is one of them. we hope you will find us. >> we are friends already. he has represented maryland's first district in congress, but how well do you know him? our latest commitment 2010 profile is coming up next. >> there was a critical moment at the hippodrome last night.

after months of martin o'malley telling us "maryland is moving forward," "and moving maryland forward" this jobs report tells the truth maryland's economy stalled "we face an uphill struggle in trying to regain the jobs lost" o'malley attempts a cover-up, falsifying the jobs report to help his campaign. "whatever we can do to make it disappear, we need to do it. that's coming straight from the top" martin o'malley, first he makes stuff up, when caught, he covers stuff up. we need a governor who tells the truth.

>> and are married sergeant recently back from iraq -- an army sergeant recently back from iraq got a standing ovation. ♪ >> you never know what is going to come your way. lights, dancing, acrobatics, it is all part of the cirque dreams

elimination. -- cirque dreams illumination. >> i really wanted to do something special. i contacted their website and asked them if we could do this. they were happily willing to oblige. >> they called on the couple to shake and shimmy on the stage. at the end of the number, court popped the question on bended knee. she expected. -- she accepted. >> you must really love me. you must really want to marry me. >> we got to check up during backstage and asked the couple was on task for the wedding.

>> we will have to find a way to get to the moon, i guess. [laughter] >> that is so sweet. sgt clark really thought of everything. he even flew in her parents. that takes some coordination. that is all for us at 5:00 p.m. >> it is the largest pot to bust in baltimore county history. i will take you live inside of this elaborate grow house. >> in the deadlock broken and our jurors moving forward? answers to those questions are coming up. >> president obama is on the campaign trail with governor o'malley. [captioning made possible by constellation energy group] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> good evening, everyone. baltimore county police busted a

massive drug ring inside a rented warehouse. >> two suspects were taken into custody. that's where houses on the some 600 block of canton center drive in east point. >> police say this is the largest pot bust in baltimore county history. the pot to the confiscated has a street value of $35 million. >> you are looking at heat lamps connected to venting tubes. they were mounted on top of the plants pierre >> nearly 500 marijuana plants, 640 pounds of processed pot, $12,000 in cash, and an elaborate two-story marijuana grow operation. that is what baltimore county police found. >> it is kind of scary. i have been here for 20 years. nothing like that has ever nothing like that has ever happened before pierre >>