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and savannah, not the way they expected to spend their 80s, anymore than they expected to have to defend their son. >> well, he's made some mistakes but nothing of the scope that generally accepted in the community. >> stan established those trusts for his grandchildren and says dave had the right to use the money how he saw fit to benefit the children. were you surprised to discover how it was used? >> yes. apparently his financial situation was worse than i knew. >> a year passed in this gossipy limbo. now it was may 2008. nearly two years after debbie's disappearance. her body still hadn't been found and there was no new evidence tying dave to her murder. but prosecutor larry crutch heard disquieting reports from his investigators. >> dave starts surveilling our office, the police offices.

eventually, starts driving by investigator's home. it was getting pretty concerning out there. >> time to move. on may 2008, dave hawk was arrested and charged with first-degree murder and a special circumstance, murder for financial gain. he pleaded not guilty. when the trial finally began, more than a year later, dave faced murder and the earlier embezzlement charges together. prosecutor larry crouch offered the jury this theory, that dave snuck out of his house in the middle of the night without waking his sleeping children, maybe even used a ladder to get out of the window and got someone to give him a ride to debbie's house and entered the bedroom. >> i think he tried the stun gun on her and she screamed very loudly. and he struck her with something. more than once. at that point, i assume he suffocated her. >> then said the prosecutor, he must have dragged debbie's body to the garage, put her into her

own van, discovered of her somewhere and then drove the van to fresno and left it in a high crime zone. how did he get back home? that accomplice said the prosecutor must have picked him up and driven him 40 miles back to his farm. but really, it was no body. there's no dna no. forensic evidence to show dave had even been at the murder scene. everybody in town seemed to have a theory, apparently the prosecutor did, too. but was that proof? so the state tried to build a bridge from dave's alleged financial crimes to the murder, painting him as an evil man who decided to eliminate his ex-wife when he knew his misuse of the trust funds was about to be exposed. enough? well, we shall see. >> there's a number of other explanations for what could have happened other than dave. >> dave was a convenient

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against us. stacked against dave hawk. >> at least in the harsh court of public opinion it looked bad for dave hawk as his murder trial approached in hanford, california. dennis peterson and mark coleman were dave's attorneys. >> we had this guy allegedly stealing from his kids saying bad things about the sympathetic victim and all of these things being widely played in the press. >> if there ever was a case for change of venue, this must be it, said the defense. after all, almost everybody seemed to have heard the accusations about dave and every time he had a court appearance, purple-clad friends of debbie crowded into the public gallery. in fact, during jury selection, said attorney coleman, he had heard jurors tell the judge they had already decided dave hawk was guilty. >> the judge asked them,6v wel if i order you to set those opinions aside, can you do it? well, i guess so. >> still, the defense

application for a change of venue was denied. as was the defense request to separate the financial charges from the murder charge. defense argued the embezzlement accusations were unfairly prejudicial. >> they wanted to make him look like a bad person, a person who would take money from his kids would be likely to murder his ex-wife. >> in fact, the prosecution would say dave's fear that debbie was about to reveal in open court his theft of the kids' trust funds was a powerful motive for murder. >> but the fact of the matter was that was already exposed. it had been filed in open declarations in court. >> he would have gained nothing to get rid of her at that stage? >> no. >> if it walks and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck but you're saying it's turkey. >> the burden is on them to prove it's a duck. in this case, they department. >> no, the defense, argued that the prosecution had absolutely

no evidence that dave even left his house the night debbie was abducted and presumably murdered. in fact, his daughter chelsa insisted he could not have left the house without her having heard him. >> that just didn't seem at all possible. >> and even though investigators would tell the court that the kids slept so soundly it was hard to wake them up when they went to see them one morning, the defense claimed that the prosecution's theory of what happened just didn't add up. >> that's just beyond belief that somebody would take that kind of a risk. that he would sneak down the hallway, open the door, drive the 10 or 12 miles to debbie hawk's house, bludgeon her, drive the van to fresno, get back to his house without blood on him or being discovered. >> so wh did happen to debbie hawk? the defense floated this theory.

debbie worked in pharmaceutical sales. perhaps an addict went after the samples she kept in the van. >> all of the pharmaceuticals in the van were missing. somebody took them. >> but that was a ludicrous idea, countered the prosecution. debbie carried very few samples and anyway if drug theft was behind it, why didn't the thief take any jewelry or electronics. no, it all seemed to come down to dave. his behavior, his character, his own words. like the conversation with a friend police recorded in which dave speculated on what might have happened to debbie. the defense played it in court as an unguarded indication dave had no idea what happened. >> he basically offered that, you know, i don't think she's ever going to be found. >> did it work?

listen to prosecutor larry crouch. >> you're going, oh no, why are they putting that? i thought it was harmful. >> though what the jury thought no one could say. then there was inevitability a conversation of whether or not dave would testify. >> i told them that i wanted to testify. >> an idea that dave's attorneys did not like one bit. >> dave is a combative individual, he's very prideful. he's offended easily. >> he thinks he's smart and hates for anybody to think he's not smart. i mean, he'd be just perfect fodder for a trained prosecutor. >> and so, dave held his tongue in court. he saved his story for us. so you don't think they had any useful evidence against you at all? >> can you, can anybody name anything? >> coming up, dave hawk speaks out and so does the jury. >> we the jury find the defendant david martin hawk --

>> when "the dave hawk on trial for the murder of his ex-wife debbie did not testify. didn't tell the members of the jury what he was thinking. he had a sinking feeling he knew what they were thinking. >> always blame the ex-husband first. >> it was an awful problem as he saw it. had been from the date his ex-wife debbie disappeared through a trail of her own blood. number one suspect was him. that's what the police had been saying all along. and that's apparently what a great many people thought in hanford, california.

even as he sat here as a defendant in a murder case. even though -- >> i didn't have the motive and i didn't have the capacity. >> you know how it can be, said dave. once people get it in their heads that you did something, they misder pret everything to make it look like you were guilty. >> i was home with my children in another town all night but i'm being accused of being in another place committing a terrible crime based on financial shenanigans that didn't exist in the first place. >> shenanigans like, for example, that trust fund for his kids. his father made the terms very broad, said dave, so he could spend the money he saw fit, any way to benefit the children. >> the money is to be used for the health, education, support and maintenance of the children. and that's exactly what it was used for.

and i acted legally in that respect. >> and then, since they didn't have any evidence against him, said dave, prosecutors made a case based on misinterpreting things he said, like the time he said to a friend if i was a bad guy i'd throw somebody off a bridge. >> my point was is, they haven't looked for her. if someone had thrown her off a bridge, it would have floated downstream. they didn't look anywhere. >> so did you throw her off the bridge? >> no. i didn't throw anybody off a bridge. >> they also made a huge deal about something he supposedly said to his girlfriend about debbie. dave said, you know, we won't be rid of that f'g bitch until he's dead. >> i might have but i don't remember that. and that certainly does not mean that i'm going to go kill somebody. >> and then there was his own son conrad who after all

believed he was guilty. and told police he saw dave and girlfriend mary share a sell bra tori toast after debbie's disappearance. conrad said dave just didn't get it. >> whenever we open a bottle of wine, we always raise our glasses and say "cheers." it is just a tradition. we were not toasting anybody's anything. >> why have you never been able to persuade conrad of your innocence? >> i don't know. he knows that i was at home the whole time, never left, didn't have any involvement in anything illegal that he's perhaps angry and needs to fill in the blanks with something. >> well, maybe he's angry at his dad because his dad killed his mom. >> his dad didn't kill his mom. >> he thinks so, though.

>> he can be wrong. >> so who did kill debbie? >> dave has an opinion about that, too. who else wanted her dead? >> maybe the boyfriend that was stalking her. >> stalking her? >> this is somebody who was reported to the police and the police swept it under the rug. apparently. it was an ex-boyfriend. >> of course, investigators say they did look into that and other leads, too, but they all came back to dave. and one primary motive. so, some cross-examination. prosecutors said you killed your ex-wife because she was going to expose your embezzlement of the children's trust funds. weren't you afraid your father was going to find out what you were doing with the money from the trust fund, your father who lovingly put the money into the trust fund before he kind of siphoned it out? >> i really don't like the way you're characterizing these things. i really don't like the prosecutor accused me of --

>> whether you like it or not, those are the accusations. >> yeah. and they're not right. they're wrong. they're false. which part did you not understand? >> what part did i not understand? what i understand is you bought a $27,000 car using trust fund money. you took a trip to hawaii with your girlfriend. you paid off your divorce attorney's fees and money you took from the first set of trusts by taking $60,000 out of kids' second trust fund. >> the money was used for the children. >> which child drove the lexus? >> all three children were driven in the lexus. >> which child went to hawaii? >> perhaps that money was my own money. prosecutor never bothered to figure out what dollar went where, did they? >> you made it kind of hard for them because you were mixing up the trust fund money and your money all the time and frankly

that's what scam artists do. >> i'm not a scam artist. >> why didn't you go get a job? >> i had a job. >> i'm talking about a job that pays enough to support your family which is what a dad does. >> you're reading from the script that is prosecutor's given you, apparently, because none of these things are true. >> a guilty man or not? the jury did not take very long to decide. >> we the jury find the defendant david martin hawk guilty of the murder of debbie hawk. >> guilty of murder. and nine financial crimes. dave hawk was sentenced to spend the rest of his life behind bars. but is it over? no. defense attorneys will appeal claiming some jurors were swayed by pretrial media coverage. police have yet to find debbie's body or identify anyone who might have helped to kill her. and the children?

for them, it may never end. it's complicate d? >> yep. >> they're divided now. conrad feels justice was served. chelsa, devastated, has remained her father's champion. sometimes she says her family has even questioned her unshakable love for her mom. >> it's hard to convince them ñ and believe the other parent's innocence. because they just cannot see that because they're so hurt. >> and conrad, imagines he knows her thoughts better than she does. >> i personally don't think that she believes that her father's innocent. i think in her mind she would rather have one parent who may have done a horrible thing than have no parent at all. >> has this created a rift between the two of you? >> little bit, yes. >> what do you do about