good morning. what did they find? in the most intense search yet for lisa irwin, authorities go in the family's house, removing boxes and taking a close look at the front door. this, as the parents of the missing 10-month-old sit down again with police. the politics of faith. as mitt romney calls for unity among conservatives, the texas pastor who labeled mormonism as a cult isn't backing down in a battle over religion front and center for the race for '12. and honoring their dead. michael jackson's three children bring thousands to their feet in

a spectacular show that was surrounded in controversy. today, sunday, october 9, 2011. captions paid for by nbc-universal television good morning, everyone. welcome on a sunday morning. i'm lester holt. >> and i'm jenna wolfe. let's take a look at this live shot from london. the front entrance of paul mccartney's house. today, he's about to get married. maybe in an hour or so to nancy shevell, long-time girlfriend from here in new york. this, his third marriage. we don't know that much about it. they've kept it very low key. >> these are the photographers who didn't get the dress code memo, waiting for the comings and goings. they didn't really formally announce today was the day, but clearly it's happening. >> you know what else that is? the second british wedding that neither of us were invited to.

continuing to rack that up. number two. power to the people. occupy wall street protest started a small group, but it's a movement that spread across the country. washington is taking notice. the latest on all of this, coming up. plus, get ready for the new oprah winfrey. her network hammered by low ratings, oprah is giving own a makeover and putting herself back on the air and bringing rosie o'donnell on the air. will it work? we'll find out. the latest on the desperate for the latest search for baby lisa irwin. tomorrow marks one week since the girl vanished from her kansas city home. jay gray is live in kansas city with the latest. jay, what's happening there? >> reporter: good to talk to you, lester. police spent more than five hours here after getting permission from lisa's parents to search the property literally

from top to bottom. crime scene investigators returned to lisa irwin's home late saturday. for the second day in a row, scanning the yard with metal detectors, digging through leaves, sifting through bushes and moving inside the home for a closer look. detectives shifting kids' toys, taking boxes from shelves and focusing for several minutes on the front door. after more than an hour, firefighters joined in the search. providing ladders so investigators could climb through the roof to comb through storm gutters and peer into vents. police worked until late into the night. during what was by far the most intense and longest search since the 10-month-old was allegedly pulled from her crib. >> no tip led to this. we're doing everything we can. and any time another idea comes up, we'll give it a shot and this is a result of that. >> reporter: detectives did take at least one bag of evidence from the house.

they won't say what they found, though the search apparently did reveal a shift in what police had called a strained relationship between investigators and lisa's parents. >> this afternoon, the family sat down with detectives. their house, their child, they live here. who knows more about who has come and gone from this home than they do? they need to be part of this investigation. >> reporter: an investigation that after five full days according to police, has failed to provide any solid leads, clear suspects, or substantial evidence. >> we've tracked down well -- around 250 leeds and tips. checked out the ones we can so far, nothing has really led to anything. >> reporter: and as investigators finally pulled away late saturday night, an uneasy silence. returned to this neighborhood. a quiet that's become hauntingly familiar since baby lisa disappeared. and while lisa's parents are,

again, speaking with investigators, they did not talk to the media on saturday. a cousin says they spent most of the day working to establish a fund that will create a reward for any information that might help them find their little girl. lester. >> jay gray, thank you. here is jenna. let's switch gears and turn to the presidential campaign and the issue of faith. fallout continues after a prominent texas pastor preysed rick perry for his religion but attacked mitt romney, calling the mormon church a cult. mike viqueira is live in washington with more. >> reporter: good morning, jenna. more fallout from the texas pastor's comments, attacking not only mitt romney's faith, but the faith of millions of mormons around the world. after years of wrestling with the issue of religion, faith, and politics, it's raising questions about how much it all still matters. >> crossed that line i think. poisonous language doesn't advance our cause. >> a day after his faith came under attack, mitt romney called

for unity from social conservatives. >> the task before us is to focus on conservative beliefs and the items that unit us. let no agenda narrow our vision or drive us apart. >> reporter: this was on full view at the values voter summit. and rick perry was preyaised fo his devout faith. back stage, jeffers made his view on romney's faith clear. >> it's not christianity, always considered a cult by the mainstream of christianity. >> reporter: perry says he does not agree. and prominent conservatives condemned the pastor. >> do not give voice to bigotry. did you rick perry no good, sir, on? what you had to say. >> reporter: but later, jeffers did not back down. >> we ought to be able to say, yes, i believe that a christian in office is better than a

nonchristian. >> reporter: with romney atop in the polls, many saw this controversy coming. >> i want to thank him for notm. i know it's there and i know it's tempting. >> i'm going to do it soon, real soon, you just wait. >> reporter: romney isn't the only candidate who had faith called into question. last year, 20% of americans mistakenly thought president obama is a muslim. first time he to defend his faith. as a candidate in 2007. >> if i'm for the natutunate to your president, i had serve no one religion, no one cause or interest. >> a recent survey shows a third of white he vevangelicals would less likely to support a candidate if they were mormon. those numbers have hardly changed since the last campaign. >> these things have taken time in the past with regard to other

faiths and so sometimes it is a long period of time until attitudes change. >> reporter: and, lester, there is turmoil across the political spectrum. yesterday, day 23 of occupy wall street protests where you are in manhattan, several thousand marching up to washington square parking notable as the site of several high-profile vietnam era protests, these protests have spread to several cities. more than a dozen across the country and while democrats from president obama on down have been supportive or empathetic toward the cause of the marchers, several high-profile republicans, eric cantor and herman cain among them, have condemned them. many are not supporting either side in the political debate. neither of them are doing enough to narrow the gap between rich and poor and that's why they are marching to begin with. >> david gregory, moderator of "meet the press" good morning to

you. >> good morning, lester. >> listening to the growing numbers of of people in the occupy wall street movement and some have compared it to the tea party, it doesn't sound like the group has a political policy type voice, still does washington have to pay close attention? >> well, washington is paying close attention. i think that the president and the vice president worked hard to try to get out in front of that movement while it still may not be completely singular in its message. and to get out in front and say, yeah, there is frustration about unfair innocence the country. more populous anger on the streets and making its way into the race for the white house, and i think you heard the president talking about understanding, empathizing with protesters, sounding a lot more like a populous now as he gets into re-election mode, to say that wall street is being unfair with new bank fees, to say that the middle class is somehow getting the raw end of the deal in what is still a very sluggish

economic recovery. that's where he wants to position himself now as he gets into re-election. it's a bit of a change from the president who brought in a new chief of staff, who had good ties with the business community, who talked about tightening the belt of washington, and, of course, made the case for why some of those bailouts were necessary for wall street at the time. >> let me get your thoughts about this controversy over this pastor, who supports rick perry who made the comments about mormonism as a cult. is that going to attach itself to perry in some form or fashion? is it going to hurt him? >> well, we don't know yet. this was kind of -- this was a kerfuffle, not exactly clear, but the message from pastor jeffers was clear about the view of some evangelical christians that mormonism is a cult. the evangelical vote is important in this country, particularly in the republican primary in states like south

carolina, so it may be an issue. a lot of the republican establishment will say they think it's not difficult to dissearch frdis discern from polling alone. it's enough of an issue that others will say to perry, you know what? the right response in that circumstance was to distance yourself. and he said we ought to have a christian in the race, you hit it out of park is that the kind of response that is going to raise more questions for perry at a time when -- and this is important -- he doesn't need more distractions. he has to get focused and get into the race. >> what's coming up this morning on "meet the press". >> special edition from chicago. an exclusive interview with rahm emanuel and more with vice president biden and paul ryan will be here in chicago with me as well. >> thank you very much. tom llamas has more of the day's

top headlines. >> good morning, lester, jenna, good morning, everyone. a computer virus has infected the system that directs the unarmed drones. a young florida girl got a young surprise just before her 10th birthday on monday. style ar skylar johnson in the middle of a spelling bee when her dad made a surprise appearance. >> i loved her. i just told her i loved her. >> i was so excited i cried. >> staff sergeant theron johnson is home for the first time since christmas. he gave her school an american flag that flew in iraq. pro football lost a legend and one of its most controversial personalities. al davis, long-time owner of the oakland raiders died at his home

at the age of 82. he is self-described maverick feuded with nfl commissioners, coaches ask city and cities. and the pie annist who topped the billboard chart in the 1950s with "autumn leaves" and played for nine u.s. presidents has also died. williams died from complications of pancreatic cancer. he was 87 years old. quick roundup of stories. on monday, new york city will host a huge columbus day parade, attracts nearly 1 million people. the largest celebration italian american culture in the world. tuesday on white house south lawn, michelle obama will preside over an attempt to break the guinness world record for the most people doing jumping jacks in a 24-hour period.

and apple iphone 4s goes on sale, first new product to go on sale since the death of steve jobs. >> jumping jacks, remember ha that? >> nice to get back to physical basics. >> no equipment necessary. a nice one today. >> that's right. good morning, lester and jenna. talking about near-record territory across the northeast and new england. anywhere from 15 to 20 degrees above average today. take a look at the satellite and radar. we're watching trouble spots. florida, a look for tropical downpours. lone-star state, some areas could pick up one to two inches of rainfall. beneficial rains in the drought-stricken areas. 85 degrees in new york city. 80 in chicago. warm conditions for the chicago marathon today. a look at sunday forecast.

>> we're off to another start on this fine sunday. it is going to warm up as we head into the afternoon. sunshine in the forecast today. high temperatures between 77 and 82. that's your sunday forecast. lester. >> scott, thanks. up next, beatles and wife. paul mccartney prepares to wed his new york sweetheart. details after this. cause memberr when she and her husband fought congestion and lots of coughs, like the machine gun... [ rapid coughing ] [ female announcer ] ...the grand dad... [ hoarse cough ] [ female announcer ] ...and the big squeezy. [ heavy coughing ] [ female announcer ] so this year, kim's getting prepared at walgreens with answers like mucinex dm to help break up mucus and quiet lots of coughs.

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>> i had the pleasure of meeting her so far. very classy lady. doesn't really enjoy the glare of the spotlight. >> reporter: the couple gotten gauged in may and their names appeared in a london registry office. just before the weekend, a marqumarc marquee went up, followed by chairs, champagne and flowers. the vows are said to take place in the same location where he wed linda. a marriage that lasted only 30 years before her death from cancer. she drove parallels to his new love. >> nancy is imminently appropriate as a knife for paul mccartnccartney. >> reporter: there aren't many similarities to his second marriage. his marriage and divorce to heather mills was front page

news for the tabloids. this time, things appear differently. >> stella was famously anti-heather mills from the beginning. paul has his support with regard to his relationship with nancy. >> reporter: paul is set to show all you need is love and a little patience to find happiness again. well, jenna, a flurry of excitement earlier when paul and nancy got in a vehicle and left. they returned shortly after, no sign of them just yet at the registry office. but there are some interesting details about coming out in the papers here. it said that beatrice, the 7-year-old with heather mills will be the only bridesmaid and flower girl, only about 30 people. and paul mccartney will serenade his new bride with three songs "let it be," "let me roll it" and one he penned just for the special event.

>> you can manlyin gimagine get serenaded by paul mccartney? paul accompanied nancy shevell, who is jewish to a you synagogue last night. where she received a blessing. no word on whether they went for yom kippur services yesterday. and then they went out for chinese with family and friends. >> did we get the entire menu. >> we didn't. >> they look very happy together. >> we'll be right back. trying to stay on track? [ female announcer ] start the day off right

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>> good morning. i'm jennifer franciotti. it is 8:26. here's a look at some of our top stories for you. a fight between two women spirals out of control at a baltimore county walmart. the fight broke out at the walmart in arbutus. it charlotted when one woman assaulted another outside the store. the victim ran inside. the suspect followed her and began pouring bleach on her and pinesol and fabric soft ner. two dozen people were taken to the hospital. >> we transported 19 patients.

none with what were believed to be serious injuries with the exception of one patient with bleach to the eyes to the wilmer eye clinic. >> two firefighters recovering after battling a car fire. it started in a basement after 2:00 p.m. we're told there were people at the home at the time that they were able to get out safely. two firefighters were treated at bay view for nonlife threatening injuries and no word on thow how that fire began.

>> time to take another look outside with meteorologist tony pann. it is pretty. >> a fantastic morning out there. temperatures soar during the morning hours. we will make it close to 80 this afternoon. sunshine in the forecast again. overnight tonight, mostly clear skies. areas of fog developing late tonight after midnight. temperatures drop back into the upper 40's and low 50's. sunset at 6:37. during the day tomorrow we'll do it again. temperatures in the upper 70's and low 80's. seven-day forecast looking good until we get to the middle of the week. clouds thicken up tuesday. we're watching a storm that may be coming out of the gulf of mexico. if it does come out, it may visit baltimore wednesday or thursday. we could get a period of heave ri rain. up until then, the rain will be great. once the storm passes, it will cool off and dry out saturday and sunday. jen? >> thank you, tony. thank you for joining us.

"11 news sunday morning" continues in 25 minutes. we'll see you then. we're back on this relatively warm sunday morning, october 9, 2011. hope you are enjoying your columbus day holiday weekend. our thanks to a wonderful crowd outside on the plaza i'm jenna wolfe arc long with lester wolf. this boy said kiss me, jenna. i'm cute. so i did. and i realized it wasn't his sign. >> whose sign was it? >> i don't know. but i ran up to him. >> i know a lawyer if you want to press charges, okay?

>> oh, okay. those are the kinds of things we do here on the "today" show. coming up up in a half hour, tribute to michael jackson. >> big turnout in wails last night. 50,000 people on hand. the late singer's three children were also there. we haven't seen them in a long time. boy, have they grown up. good looking kids. not all of the family wanted to be involved because of the manslaughter trial going on involving dr. conrad murray. sweet get the latest on the controversy, ahead. >> and we're talking about oprah winfrey. took a big gamble starting her own network. the ratings have been sliding. some are wondering whether oprah has actually lost her touch. tomorrow, her network will premiere two new shows starring oprah and her friend, rosie o'donnell. will they win over fans? we'll take a closer look at that. >> and the third team in professional football. the refs. did you know they get evaluated

after each game? they get graded on what they missed what they called? they have to prepare for the game just like the players, inside the world of the ref when we spend some time with them. >> after playoffs it becomes that much more important, every call. >> whole hierarchy. who gets to do the super bowl. but first an important tag sale. >> the "today" show tag sale. all of the anchors offered something up on ebay. it meant parting ways with one of my bass guitars. i practiced in my office and tried to disturb jenna. >> it worked. see, i actually played it. >> play it very well. >> one of your bass guitars. how many do you have? >> i have quite a few. >> i thought it was beautiful. >> i'm saying good-bye to a leather motorcycle outfit that i wore. the picture looks better than

the motorcycle outfit. for a piece on "today," where i rode up and down the pacific coast highway, your neck of the woods. pan up and there he is. 27 people have bid so far. going for about $500. my item and your item, the last two items up forbidding, so please log on and bid more for our items. >> logon to today.com and bid. all proceeds to salvation army. the other thing, it's october. home to two big things, halloween and oktoberfest. on friday, the "today" show joins the fun with an oktoberfest game, we hold a beer stein. see who can hold it the long west one arm. some people cheated. i won't name named. i actually did win. i almost fell over and broke my back. i won't say ann cheated, because that's terrible. and a form every champ who made

it through five minutes and six seconds. personal record is nine seconds. but he won the entire contest. >> he can hold his beer. scott williams standing by with another check of the weather. >> good morning. a summerlike feel here in new york city. temperatures top out in the mid 80s. you are from virginia. what's your name? >> christina. >> ann. >> john. >> welcome to new york. let's get a check. afternoon temperatures in new york city in the 80s. the chicago marathon, look for temperatures in upper 70s to near 80 degrees. texas and florida, look for some beneficial rains as we are tracking a couple of systems across the country. a look at your >> we're off to another start on this fine sunday. it is going to warm up as we head into the afternoon. sunshine in the forecast today.

high temperatures between 77 and 82. and, of course, it's sunday. that means it's football night in america. right? let's take a look at that forecast. we'll head down to atlanta. to the georgia dome, outdoor tailgating. looks like clouds. comfortable weather. dry and cloudy. temperatures in the mid 60s to low 70s, green bay packers taking on the atlanta falcons. a bit of a playoff rematch from last year. you want to tune in right here on nbc this evening. that's a look at your forecast on this sunday. back to you. jenna. >> all right, scott, thank you. now to the big and controversial tribute concert for michael jackson, taking place right in the middle of the

manslaughter trial against conrad murray. held yesterday in wales. an all-star show, but one that has jackson's family divided. michelle kosinkski joins us with more. >> reporter: hey, jenna. what a strange confluenceñi of events it's çóbeen. michael jackson was preparing for a series of comeback concerts here in london when he died and while his doctor is on trial there was this big tribute concert in wales. that timing split the jackson family. some siblings, jermaine, randy and janet wanted nothing to do with it. jackson's mother was there, and most touchingly, his three children on stage together, dressed in clothing just like michael's, introduced acts, seemed to be having a wonderful time. and while some artists like black eyed peas and jennifer hudson pulled out at the very last minute, it was indeed star studded.ñi

christina aguilera, beyonce via satellite, smoky robinson, gladys knight and tens of thousands of screaming fans. >> tens of thousands. i heard 50,000 fans attended the concert. did the concert itself, everything go off without a hitch? >> reporter: it seemed to this is a high-energy crowd. jackson fans, after all. very young crowd. many of them had flown there from the united states. we heard one comment that it seemed to be sort of unrehearsed. big gaps between acts and kind of ended abruptly. but for the most part, they loved it. a great tribute and one of them called it epic. jenna. >> michelle kosinkski, michelle, thank you. >> and how here is lester. now to open remark the queen of talk's cable channel, own, has struggled to find viewers since its launch and two big new shows herself, and rosie o'donnell will bring back the magic. and ron mott joins us with more.

good morning. >> reporter: for a quarter century, she was television's gold. >> 25 years. and i'm still saying thank you, america. thank you so much. >> reporter: with a farewell sendoff in may fit for a tv queen. but the network oprah winfrey put her name on is no crowning achievement so far. her reputation for the midas touch tarnished by low ratings, even lower than discovery health. >> when the ratings for the new network than they were for the network before it that didn't have open remark it's embarrassing to the oprah brand. no other way to say it. >> reporter: and there may be no other way to save face than put oprah back on the air. >> this is my first show on own inspired by the oprah winfrey show. >> reporter: she's heading up oprah life class.

a prime time series built on her legendary talk show. lessons for living that oprah became famous for living. during the first week, oprah will follow life class with a live one-hour conversation on camera chatting with a studio audience and her fans on the web. >> you can expect a wig show. first time we're actually seeing oprah with her own one-hour show on the own network. the same good old oprah we know with a little bit more of a twist. >> reporter: though it might take more than a twist of oprah here and there to reverse the struggling network's fortune. life class shares the same time slot with "dancing with the stars" and "the singoff." both drawing millions of viewers. and to tighten the belt, oprah recruited rosie o'donnell.

the own network has pulling in just 250,000 viewers in prime time. they remain confident with rosie and oprah holding down our weeknights, we have a great opportunity to seamlessly reach our core audience on weekends with these strong original and returning series. can two big hitters from daytime knock it out of the park in the dark? >> i expect the 7:00, 8:00 block, with rosie at 7:00 and oprah at 8:00xd will help. rosie is fun, engaging, so entertaining. the problem is, 7:00 and 8:00 won't get it done for the entire network. i would expect a bump, but not a big enough bump to build the network. >> own may be hurting, but oprah isn't. she has raked in over $300 million over the last year. lame excuses, the lying gail. we all have them, but why? the truth about the lying game, after these messages. ♪ crispy flakes calling my name ♪ ♪ i'm hungry now. ♪

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helps you not have to deal with the reality of the situation. >> i was busy. >> they don't even realize they are doing it sometimes until somebody calls on it. >> in a national poll, 65% say it's okay to lie to avoid hurting someone's feelings. >> they can be harmless and usually are. >> as for work, a third say it's okay to lie about being sick to take a day off. >> i'm sick, i have a high temperature, i won't be able to make it in. >> for others, all too easy to justify that expensive purchase. >> i work hard enough that i deserve it. >> i really needed it. a good investment in the end. >> or to avoid a big date. >> i'm tired from work. >> i got to do laundry. >> maybe some of us are just forgetful. >> oh, senior moment. >> but are we really fooling anyone? >> i think i'm pretty believable. >> i'm not believable. >> i'm not going to lie. i'm a good liar.

>> now tell me the truth. >> make it truthful and honest. >> i can see right through your lies. >> we know the excuses are lame, so why do we keep doing them? >> don't ask us, let's ask the experts. we have the health editor to mommyverse.com and chuck knight, comedian. >> good morning. >> first of all, what is a little white lie? is it a bad thing? >> it's a lie that could be true, but not in that moment it has possibilities. something that everybody uses and has just that tiny bit of something that it might be okay, and that's why it clears by. >> chuck, when you hear these, don't you automatically know they are lies? hey, i was stuck in traffic. don't we all know it's a lie. >> i hate the fact that they do this. they overuse these lies and then they have no affect when i tell them. it's like checking into a hotel under the name smith.

you know. if your name is really smith, you're screwed. >> you're not really doing anything wrong if you give a little bit of a lame excuse, a little white lie, is it? >> it depends on who is listening. if you have kids listening, teenagers young adults, they are picking that up. there are times can can be damaging. >> i remember often as a child, hearing, chuck, you are smart, and you are very attractive, and now i know -- now i know. >> and you are very special. >> and we're so happy you're here. >> and we're so happy you're here. >> what do you do when you are on the receiving end of the lies? do you call them on it or let it go? >> personally? >> yeah. >> nothing better in the world than actually looking someone straight in the face and going you lying. >> come on. >> oh, yeah. >> a skpsychologist, you get lyg

credit. you have just given me that lie, so i have credit with you when i'm late. >> are you saying there is a lie bank account? >> a lie bank account. >> here is the thing -- >> those are all fun and good, but what about when it comes to relationships. nobody wants to hear not in love with you, not in love with you, not going to do this anymore. are there times when a white lie is okay? but maybe a little bit of a lie is okay to spare somebody's feelings. >> a lie of protection. >> let's call it that. >> that's called compassion, you know. that is called compassion. >> you're saying it's okay. >> i think it is. it better be. i know my life is lying to me every day. >> it's a pro-social lie. and that's what it's called in psycholo psychology. it keeps things smooth and okay. >> a psychological evaluation. what about issues of money? you talk about lies in

marriages, sometimes about well, i had to buy that jacket because it was cold and i was in a bad situation. >> on sale, i needed it. not so good and couples, you can definitely sense when your significant other is lying about money. that's a time when you should definitely not do it. just come out and say i had a moment of weakness, because those were accumulate and it's not good for a relationship. >> i have never heard him saying i had a moment of weakness. >> i really wanted it, just witho bought it. >> i think couples should do this the moment money comes in, everybody takes a slice. this is what you get, i get, for ourselves. and then what i do, i just save my little piece until one day i walk in the house with a flat screen tv and it's like where did you get that from? a store called none your business. >> his relationship is really solid and awesome how about the really tiny creative lies, does

that say about creativity, quick thinking on our feet? not hurting anyone? or does it really hurt you? >> it could really hurt you at work. if you are giving lies over and over again no, matter how creative. hey, you know what? they are so interesting, let's give her credit. >> you lie so well. >> quick on your feet. i see a promotion in your future, you little liar. >> love to keep this going, but we're out of time. >> he's been practicing that all morning. >> we'd love to talk more. >> thank you so much. i actually am happy you were here. >> it was a pleasure. >> but we are leaving. just ahead, game day. you think being a player is tough? wait until you see the likes of an nfl referee. but first, these messages. so you earn 50 percent more cash. if you're not satisfied with 50% more cash, send it back! i'll be right here, waiting for it. who wouldn't want more cash?

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the more we help make opportunity possible. they spend hours in the field sharpening their skills, spending time away from their family to pursue their dream. not talking about the players, but nfl officials who call the games, and you see, you are only as good as your last call. on any given sunday, you will find this team preparing for battle. one that is both physically and metropolitanally demanding. but when this team takes the field, winning is not their goal. >> most teams play to win or lose. we play to be the best and most accurate there is. >> reporter: as the third team on the field, nfl officials are scouted just like athletes. >> fit scienness is important, knowledge, and a passion for football. >> about 15 years of experience

is necessary before you can apply for the national football league. >> strong performer at the collegiate level, we would bring you into the office, interview you, make that person a >> wayne macke, a headlinesmen, recalls the intense selection process. >> you have to go through a psychological exam, and you sit at the what i termed the knights of the roundtable. sitting with supervisors around the table, firing questions at you. >> reporter: make no mistake, officiating in the nfl is a fulltime commitment. >> everybody will tell you the same thing. they think we roll out of bed in the morning, officiate and go back home. they don't have any idea of the work we put in from sunday, during the game, the studying, film he wireview. >> reporter: they put in between

40 to 80 hours a week, all this while juggling another job. lawyers, bankers, principals and administrators including the roster. >> director of operations at the new york city housing preservation and development. many time i got off the plane and went straight to work. >> reporter: just like the players, officials travel to the stadium together on game day. >> our game is approximately four weeks in advance, i work with the same crew the entire year. >> reporter: the crew usually arrives three hours before kickoff. >> i speak to the chain crew, give them my instructions on how we'll separaoperate throughout game. first down, we come up, change up first and ten. 50 minutes before the game, on the field warming up and then come back in. >> reporter: then about five minutes before kickoff, the men in stripes take the field. >> get out there, excitement is flowing, but once that ball gets kicked off, back to business.

>> reporter: keeping cool is a prerequisite. >> we have a motto. the hotter it gets, the cooler we get. the game is so fast, you learn to make your decision, learn to live with your decision, and you learn to there your decision. >> reporter: but you are only as good as your last call. >> every play of every game is graded by a panel of supervisors. >> reporter: each week, officials graded by calls they did and didn't make. >> the grading system is performance-based system and it's how we determine who works in the playoffs and eventually who gets the big prize of the super bowl. >> reporter: one of the keys to wayne's success has been his leadership on and off the field. >> after the play is over. >> reporter: for two years, he's been training the next generation of officials the basics, under a partnership between the nfl and new york city housing authority. >> i grew up in the projects in linden houses in brooklyn and east new york, and to be able to

give back to my community is very satisfying to me. >> reporter: giving back to his community, while being a key member of the third team who call the shots come kickoff time. >> reporter: t . >> the most fulfilling part of my job is comradery with fellow officials. >> i hadñi no idea how competite it is. are you being graded every sunday. >> did i sports for many years, had a lot of conversations with these guys. you must think they are the biggest football fans ever. so hard to be a fan when are you looking at every single play and every single tiny detail. >> i would want to be cheering, great catch. >> my bad, i'm sorry. forget iter in mind. >> take a break and we're back after these messages. [ male announcer ] 20,000 btus produce a delicate sear. double-oven range makes dinner and dessert -- at the same time. turbo-charged advantium oven cooks more than twice as fast,

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