we're back with more of "today" on a thursday morning the 20th day of october, 2011. started out with some drizzle in the new york area. turned into a beauty. speaking of beauties we're here with savannah guthrie and ann curry on the plaza. >> oh, he's buttering us up. the thorns and the roses. >> don't call them thorns. >> not nice. >> we've got today's professionals inside the studio getting ready to talk about the

hot headlines of the morning. >> there are a lot to get to, too. lindsay lohan was handcuffed in court yesterday and has already posted bail but got a real talking to from the judge in that case. we'll ask our team of professionals to weigh in on whether she is getting a different kind of celebrity justice. also, are single sex schools a good idea? and how do you spot a liar? we'll pose those questions to star jones, donny deutsch and nancy snyderman. they're already talking. >> all right. guys, good negotiators? >> no. >> i'm horrible at it. >> terrible. >> no. the worst. >> i want to pay full retail. okay. whether you're hoping for a better salary, want a good deal on a new car, trying to persuade your kids to get their home work done early, bargaining is a skill folks need to use every day. we'll help you identify your negotiating style so that you can get the results you're looking for. >> okay. and we all need our beauty rest. we all know that on this broadcast we never get enough of it but it's what you do before you hit the sack that matters when it comes to looking good and fresh faced in the morning.

from your hair to your skin. we'll have your evening beauty routine coming up this morning. >> left left unsaid. >> let's go inside. natalie is standing by at the headlines. hi, natalie. good morning everyone. reports from libya this morning that moammar gadhafi has been killed by rebel forces. earlier this morning libyan fighters drove the last gadhafi holdouts out of his hometown of sirte. gadhafi had been in hiding for months and now a photo has surfaced. we should warn you it is graphic and we have not independently verified this is gadhafi but there is no way to identify the person in the photo yet. the rebels are claiming that this is gadhafi. no confirmation from the white house, pentagon or state department yet. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins us now. if these reports are true that gadhafi has been killed, how significant is this for libya? >> it would be very significant. it would end the military phase of the libyan war. now they will have to go on and truly try and build a government. we are also getting some new

information. three sources all of them rebel sources are saying that gadhafi has in fact been killed. one of those sources the head of the military council so that's three different sources all saying the same thing. similar kinds of sources but that is the most definitive confirmation that i've heard yet this morning that he is dead. there is also a report from one witness who says that he saw gadhafi while he was still alive in sirte but dying and that this witness is claiming that he hit gadhafi with his own shoe. >> richard, important as well, because sirte is his birth place and is of course a symbolic city. how important is it that he was driven out of sirte and captured or killed it sounds like? >> gadhafi decided if these reports are confirmed to go back to his hometown, a hometown surrounded by rebel forces. he was dug in in this city surrounded by a group of loyalists. there has been intense fighting in sirte over the last several

weeks and according to multiple sources now infighting in libya earlier today in the hometown of sirte. gadhafi was killed by rebels. >> a lot of celebration there as well, richard engel, thank you so much. on other news now, all of those escaped wild animals in zanesville, ohio have been accounted for with most of the animals killed. many animal rights advocates say officials have little choice but to kill dozens of the exotic animals. they were released by the owner of a preserve who then apparently took his own life. secretary of state hillary clinton is taking a tougher line on pakistan saying she wants pakistanis to fight harder against terrorists within their own borders. this morning she met with afghan president karzai and outlined a strategy of fight, talk, and build and said it's imperative for the u.s., afghanistan, and pakistan to cooperate against insurgents. clinton heads to pakistan later today. a colorful royal welcome today for queen elizabeth who is visiting australia's capital

city. she and prince philip took a motor boat to a flower show. it was their first public appearance of a ten-day tour of australia. and canine exercises. a dog at a shelter in south florida has an unusual way of getting around. with an old injury to her back legs trixie the chihuahua walks around using only her front legs poor thing. she was brought to the shelter after drivers saw her walking down the street, got distracted, and crashed. the shelter is now trying to find her a new home. poor thing. it is now five minutes past the hour. let's go back outside once again to matt and ann. >> wow. that's not easy. >> no. she's got some strong front legs. >> mr. roker is down the other side of the plaza. >> we've got some nice guys here. what's your names? where are you from? >> colorado springs. >> cool! very nice. having a good time? >> yeah. >> you're bouncing up and down. you okay? doing all right? yeah? okay. let's check our weather here. getting dizzy. all right. why is it so windy from chicago

to the northeast? we got a tight pressure gradient. that's the difference between pressure systems, the tighter the gradient the stronger the winds so we're looking at windy conditions. we've also got you can see on the radar rotating around that low we've got 29, 30-mile-per-hour winds in milwaukee. 20 miles in peoria. 11 in cleveland. it is a windy day but the good news is it is going to die down. we are looking though for about another inch or so up to the north through alpena on into canada. otherwise, the rain will be coming to an end. got a beautiful day here in the >> good morning. we are going to it is going to be a windy day. there is a 20% chance for rain shower this morning. a mixture of sun and clouds.

that's your latest weather. savannah? ♪ i'll be taking care of business every day ♪ >> thank you, al. now to today's professionals. our panel of power players giving us their take on the hottest stories making news. i'm sorry but donny deutsch is going to sleep through this segment apparently. here they are the professionals. star jones is an attorney and author. donny deutsch is tired. dr. nancy snyderman is nbc's chief medical editor. good morning to all of you. >> good morning. >> you all right, donny? going to make it through? >> just got a little -- she -- i'm all right. >> just wanted to put his head in nancy's lap. >> let's move on to our hot topics shall we? lindsay lohan back in court. she was handcuffed in court. hauled off to jail momentarily after getting a dressing down from the judge. now there will be a subsequent hearing on whether or not she should be take tone jail. >> she really did wear that well, you know. >> is that your legal opinion? >> that is my absolute legal

opinion. my true legal opinion is this is someone who is a train wreck that we enjoy watching and that's sad for us as a society and even sadder for her. she is self-destructive. >> this judge really gave her a talking to. i had to wonder whether or not she was getting a different kind of celebrity justice. >> i don't know. if you start, roll it back, this is a classic example i believe of watching a public figure who's had really bad parenting so if you start with that and no support system, then she's a train wreck and there is no one in her immediate life to take care of her and then she has an alcoholism and drug problem. it's the last place you want to put people is in prison because there is sort of no fix it. now this defiance of the law i think takes it one step further. >> why are we still talking about her? i can't even remember the last thing she actually did on a professional level. >> i'm going to contrast her with another young actress from long island natalie portman. is it more interesting for the new york post or any media outthroat cover today that natalie portman took her baby

daughter to the park or a young woman is crashing and burning? we don't report the planes that land on time. unfortunately we report the planes that crash. it's twofold. number one my life is not that bad. look at this gorgeous celebrity. she is crashing and burning. on the flip side the charlie sheen factor there is something primal. she's acting out, snubbing the law. it's that combination. we are a society blafg badly. >> star, do you think the judge is too tough? she said you have to do these 360 hours or 480 hours of community service but she has until april to do them. yes, she is being slow about it but she is not in violation in terms of the hours yet. >> i don't think she can actually be violated ultimately at the end of the hearing. i think she is being punished more for her attitude than her actions which she should be but the way you punish her for attitude is not jail. that's not where -- >> pile on more community service? the fact that she didn't show up to help a woman's shelter, i mean that is just disgusting.

by the way, you have a drug problem, all this stuff. but you're given a shot and you -- >> donny, this is one paycheck away from being in a shelter. >> this happens all the time. if we were in brooklyn you wouldn't know about it. because it does happen. >> she said to her probation officer she didn't find the work fulfilling which really set the judge off. >> yes. >> single sex schools, there is a report in science magazine that looks into whether the single sex schools are beneficial, educationally, whether they're even legal. >> i thought we put this one to bed. single sex education does make a differences specially for girls. if you look at the women's college. >> you going to do the whole thing they raise their hand versus with boys they don't raise their hand? >> excuse me. a couple days ago we talked about the difference between mentoring and having an advocate. you and i in the middle of the class i'm raising my hand, teacher, pick me. boys absolutely get attention. >> i don't want to date any of us. think that might have been true 20 or 30 years ago but today's young girls when in the media they see as many powerful women as men i wonder if that's true. >> they don't see as many.

>> they were earning 67 cents to the dollar. >> a different discussion. >> let me ask you a question. why would you take, by the way, parents should do whatever they want to do. my daughters are in coed school. i'm sending them to same sex camp. why set up a synthetic environment? like this coed. why set it up? >> it's not synthetic. >> i don't believe in single sex education because i don't believe that that's the way the world operates. >> exactly. >> i believe that when you get -- i don't even like all black environments, all white environments, all girl or all boy environments. >> even if it was beneficial, shown to be beneficial for young women, do you think because it's artificial you still would prefer to have an integrated school? >> you know, it may be better for young women at that age but when you get to college age i think you got to get ready. you got to get ready for the world. >> as a guy with three girls it's a forbidden fruit. i don't want my girls all contained with girls so they're all of a sudden boy crazy and deprived of it. >> that is not part of the education. >> my whole point is that is part of everything. >> i'm separating you two. next week you're going to sit

over there. >> i just want to apologize. i touched her leg. >> that's okay. it happened in the republican debate the other day right? okay. now we digress. next question, when should you remove the ring? watching demi moore and ashton kutcher, demi is still wearing her ring and nobody knows what is going on in that relationship but it raises the question when you're having troubles in your relationship or separated when is the right time to remove the ring? >> when you're over it. when the ring no longer means anything to you. then you remove it and take it to your favorite jeweler and they put it on a little chain and you wear it around your neck. >> you told us you did that. you said you never wore rings. >> never. neither of my parents ever wore rings and so i can't tell who's mayor antidepressant who is not. >> i didn't wear it because it was uncomfortable. there are people who are separated but still want to work it out. that's when the ring is on. when you're over it, take it off. >> is the ring like the old fashioned way of the facebook status? you know, single, divorced or complicated? >> if any women are concerned that men are not wearing rings,

a ring for a man is attractive to women. so that's not a sign of fidelity or infidelity. >> that is a whole other story for another time. >> doesn't it make you disgusted? >> don't shoot the messenger. >> i suspect she is wearing the ring as a way to say to the media leave me alone. >> right. not ready to talk about it. >> how about i'm not ready to be dwone my husband? >> there is that possibility as well. let's get to our next topic. i like it. can you spot a liar? there is actual science behind it. some of the indicators are repeating questions before answering. too much eye contact. fake smiles. forgetting details. dr. nancy, you're our doctor. is there really science behind it? >> there was a show on television called "lie to me" which has since been canceled because it was too good to be on television and it looked at micro expressions of a face. whether you and i keep contact. whether we bite our lip. whether we look down. there are all these little micro expressions. you can absolutely tell. in one's family i bet there are hints when you look at people.

>> do you have tell tale signs you look for? >> my major sign is lies don't have details. it's always easy when you can question them about something just very innocuous. we tell the story of us sitting here. you ask, where was donny seated? just out of the blue, has nothing to do with the substance. if you can ask those kinds of questions you can tell. >> okay. not saying whether this is true or false. i am a great dancer. i am a great dancer. >> you're lying. >> i can tell he is telling the truth because a corner of his mouth went up because he is daring me to say you're wrong. he is a great dancer. >> in your opinion. >> okay. i knew it wasn't true. instinctively. next topic sexy halloween costumes for kids. they're just getting sexier and sexier. >> while you're under my roof and i am paying for school or food or whatever, the answer is no. you want to go to college and do stuff at a frat party i can't stop you but this, i think, the manufacturers are pushing this

more and more and more. >> slutty is the new black. it is amazing. every costume. not a nurse a sexy nurse. you have to draw a distinction. at home i have a 4-year-old and 8-year-old. that speaks for itself. when a girl is 16 or 13 not 13, 16 and wearing short skirts to school they are at an age where they are going to dress a little sexier. it is hard at that point to pull it back. >> but your 8-year-old -- >> you know when it's wrong. >> your 8-year-old should not be dressing like a hooker. >> duh. >> no matter what. >> thank you for telling me. that's what she was planning for halloween. >> excuse me. i'm at the costume store just the other day. that is for the 18-year-old. i mean for the 8-year-old. for the 4-year-old she can dress as jasmine with the tummy out. >> my 8-year-old two years ago was in a cheerleader thing and it has a little -- i just didn't like it. it was wrong. >> our last topic is cute. granny does nascar. 92-year-old woman went driving in a nascar race because it was on her bucket list so we thought

we'd ask you guys what's on your bucket list. star? >> i want to take a ride down the nile like the great queens of africa used to do. i don't know why. i've always wanted to be cleopatra. that's mine. >> that's the weirdest thing. i've always wanted to be cleopatra also. it wasn't nile. it was a whole other setup. so bizarre. >> i always wanted to go into space. i would go into space tomorrow if i were, if i could be part of any nasa program. >> wait a minute, donny dodged. what is on your bucket list? >> okay. i would love to play in a tennis match in arthur ashe stadium against a great tennis player. >> but who? >> that's cool. >> you had all night tongue about this? you are lame. >> i didn't think about that. >> that's lame. >> pretty lame. >> mine too. >> okay. your life must be so full there is nothing left to put in the bucket. >> okay. >> okay. the architect of world peace. >> all right. star jones, donny deutsch, dr.

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negotiating bed time and play time. we do it all the time. really being a better negotiator will help you get that better deal every time without compromising too much. >> there are five styles you talk about. there is competitive, accommodating, collaborating, avoiding, and compromising. why is it good to know what kind of negotiator you are? >> yes. like anything you're sort of predisposed to fall into a certain category and once you know where you lay in that five bargaining styles you can sort of leverage your strengths and minimize or maybe even improve on your weaknesses. >> some people negotiate and let emotions get involved. how do you take emotion out of the negotiation? >> it is really hard especially when the stakes are high or you're negotiating with friends or family. that's why people hire divorce attorneys because they can keep their eye on the prize without getting emotionally involved. so what you really want to do is prepare ahead of time. literally write down your goals on a piece of paper so you don't lose sight of it. maybe even more important, al, you want to consider the other

side's possible reaction so you're prepared emotionally. you know how you'll feel when the question comes back at you. >> who are better negotiators, men or women? >> it actually depends. women are much more in tune with the other party so for a relationship at stake women can be better but men can be a bit more aggressive so sometimes that helps them. it's so situation dependent. >> we see right now the nba lockout. i mean, what's going on? they are supposedly in a room. i say they get them out of these hotels. put them someplace uncomfortable and make them negotiate until they come out with something. >> exactly. sometimes that atmosphere can have a lot to do with it. think about how high the stakes are. it is a very public battle. i would say most of these folks lie in that competitive bargaining style so it is hard to find that middle ground. i would say the egos are probably pretty high, too. there's a ton of people involved. there are two sides. each side has lawyers and agents and consultants and player representatives and team representatives. there's just a lot going on there.

it's going to take a while. >> in any negotiation how important is it to be able to compromise? >> it is actually very important. that's why you kind of want to set up ahead of time. your lowest possible point of acceptance and then the highest point, your aspiration point. you need to know that's your bargaining zone and you can really compromise anywhere within there because you're going to have to make concessions more than likely. but as long as you don't go below that reservation point really the deal should be better than how you were before going into that. >> and hopefully everybody comes out feeling good. >> it is possible. >> courtney reagan, thanks so much. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> still ahead extreme animal phobia. we'll meet some women trying to overcome a terrifying fear of everything from spiders to butterflies. but first these messages. keurig has a wide variety of gourmet coffee and tea to choose from. keurig is the way to brew fresh, delicious coffee in under a minute. way to brew.

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hershey's chocolate syrup. stir up a smile. we've all heard of a fear of snakes but what about butterflies or even puppies? on the new animal planet series "my extreme animal phobias" this psychologist works with people to overcome their fear of animals and pets using exposure therapy. robin is here with katy who

overcame a spider phobia and jackie who overcame her fear of butterflies. good morning. >> katy, i think a lot of us are afraid of spiders but you actually had to go to a spider exhibit and feed it a cricket. a lot of us can relate to that fear but for you it is a phobia. how did that start? >> there is no specific time where i was initially scared of spiders. i've always been terrified. but i'm at the point where i cannot be in the same room with them and so i -- >> what did you think they would do to you? >> i had no idea. i just thought i'd be in a room filled with spiders and i'd die. >> you thought the spiders would kill you. >> i did. >> jackie, for you, butterflies, beautiful creeutte fly creature. where did the fear come from? >> a butterfly flew on my shirt when i was a little girl and i thought it was a big huge wasp and since then i've been terrified but dr. z saved my life. >> this is really about the idea

of exposure therapy. what was it that you -- how does this work in terms of getting them to relate and be able to do things they weren't able to do before? this is really about being able to allow them to go out in their environment once again, right? >> right. everybody who has participated in this project was so terrified that their lives were really becoming limited. i mean, in katy's case if she walked into a room and saw a spider she would have to run out, call someone before she could go back in the room. and certainly with jackie her life was limited because butterflies are unpredictable. you never know when they're going to come up. what we do is have them face and confront their fear by doing exposure to it. what happens is through what we call a systematic desensitization the brain begins to see the feared animal differently to where it overcomes the anxiety and they are no longer afraid. >> you had five days to work with them. five days. in fact, i want to show you the progress that katy has made. >> are you sure you can do this? you've done a couple other

things. you've been able to sleep next to a room with spiders. >> i actually have a pet tarantula. her name is rosie. >> oh, gosh. >> this looks just like rosie. >> i may run out of the studio. oh, yeah. you're safe. >> far away from that. >> and they hang upside down. >> how are you able to do that? what was it that finally got you to realize that it's not going to kill you as i'm sitting here thinking it may do that to me? >> exposure therapy and learning more about spiders and that they are very harmless especially this kind and knowing i'm bigger than the spider and more powerful. mind over matter. it is scary. they're daunting but, you know. >> jackie, for you with the butterflies you were able to go to a biosphere and slept there with the butterflies and now you say you actually just recently had another experience with butterflies. what is it, as i see you wearing your bling. >> i had to become more

comfortable with these ugly, ugly butterfly necklaces and bracelets. i've bought a lot of butterfly stuff actually. but it's much better. i don't love them. i do not embrace them at all but i do feel like i can live with them. i can be around them and it's okay. they're just a part of nature. it's life. >> and, doctor, i guess the bigger question is, again, this is about allowing them to then not have that fear of going outside and knowing that they can encounter anything in life, right? >> that's correct. and you see that she's holding a tarantula and it's very extreme. but the reason why we go to that level is because anything underneath it is going to be so much easier. >> right. >> so if she walks into a room and sees a daddy long legs she can handle that no problem. we take them as far as we go and in this case you can see katy has overcome her feared animal. >> it's working for you. >> sorry, sorry. >> i think i need the exposure.

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fine hair that's prone to getting oily. you put this on before bed and it will absorb any toil that your scalp emits while you sleep. the great thing is by the time you wake up there will be no chalky residue. >> okay. if you have curly hair and you want to keep the curls in good shape what do you recommend? >> people who have curly hair have the opposite problem. they are worried about big hair that's frizzy. so just coat the curls with gel to the point where it almost feels crunchy and then by the time you wake up it has the perfect texture. >> it won't feel like that crunchy gel feel? >> no. it softens overnight. if your hair is dry what you want to do is pile it on top of your head and use a piece of panty hose is actually the best way to do it because it won't break the hair. >> this is for hair that's, that gets frizzy. >> exactly. you want to preserve volume at the roots so this will give you a little lift. >> is it really a pony tail like you pull back? >> a tony tail on top of your head and this prevents you from breaking your hair because it is very soft fabric. >> okay. let's move on to skin care. you say we should wash our faces twice at night? >> this is especially true for people who wear a lot of makeup

because we've all had the experience of washing our face. >> who are those people? >> and you wake up with raccoon eyes. >> yeah. >> what you want to do is start with a creamy or oil-based cleanser and then finish with a gel cleanser. this will remove any kind of residue and you'll wake up totally clean. >> you have these products here. but just looking for creamy and then the gel cleanser to finish off. >> exactly. >> then the undereye cream. we all got bags under the eyes when we wake up. what do you recommend? >> this is the bane of everyone's existence. what you want to do is look for an eye cream with caffeine because it will constrict the blood vessels and also push the fluid out of your eyes. >> it won't keep you up at night? >> no. i don't think you're absorbing quite enough to keep you up but it will help your eyes. >> do most of the packages say caffeine right on the label? >> if you look on the ingredients it will say caffeine. >> let's move on to our next thing which is eliminating last-minute pimple. you find one at night. you can counteract it with the right steps? >> this is one of my favorite

steps like a gorilla version of the cortizone shot. you take hydro cortizone. slather it on. don't be stingy. put a band-aid on top of it and it creates a barrier which drives the product deeper into your skin and prevents it from coming off. >> don't you end up with band-aid marks on your face? >> nope. especially not if you use one of the more gentle band-aids and also the hydro cortizone is reducing inflammation so any kind of of that will be gone. you want a big glob. >> we all know the skin gets real dry overnight and you have an idea about a steamer. >> right. well actually what is cool about this is it's something you want to do as you go into winter months. your skin is going to get really dry. create a steam room out of your bathroom by closing the door. wait until your skin gets nice and dewey and then apply a ser umbrella or gel that contains hyleronic acid. >> this is something you do in your bathroom. >> you sleep with it because you apply that and it holds up to a

thousand times its weight in water so it will grab onto the moisture. you go to sleep and if you have a humidifier it's even better because the hyleronic acid you've put on your skin will continue to draw moisture all night as you sleep into your skin. >> you can get this anywhere? >> right. what you want to look for is again the hyleronic acid. get it at the drug store. >> you have my favorite tip last which is wake up more gently. that alarm that blares in your ear is not pleasant. >> we've all had the experience of being rudely awakened. like your fight or flight response. so you really want to greet the morning in a more gradual, gentle way. this great alarm clock basically tricks your body into thinking that it's day time. and, you know, during the day your body produces seratonin which is a neuro transmitter that makes you feel happier and more relaxed. this is a better way to enter the day. feeling in a good mood and nice and alert. >> you're basically thinking

sunrise. still ahead we'll head totem he recalled city and check in with hoda and kathie lee broadcasting live from seattle today. there are the drinks too. this is "today" on nbc.

it's been so quiet around the studio this morning. >> you think? why is that? >> well maybe because kathie lee and hoda have packed up their program and headed west. >> they're in seattle, washington where the coffee flows like wine. they have not traded in their wine glasses for coffee mugs. they're still drinking wine. hi guys. what do you have coming up? >> my gosh. we have no idea. we're just so happy to be here in seattle with this amazing group of people. >> look at this wide shot. it rivals the plaza. we packed it early morning by the way. folks were out here early. >> you know what i smell? >> what?

>> ode of salmon. everybody here is wearing it and it's a lovely smell. >> don't say hoda. >> hoda salmon. >> very nice. >> fish have been flying all morning. i tell you. >> i know kathie lee your play is opening there this weekend right? good luck with that honey. >> actually tonight, nat. >> how cool. all the best. >> i'm excited. thanks so much, you guys. love you and miss you. see you next week. >> all right. kathie lee and hoda coming up. >> doing the show just for the halibut. >> oh, gosh. >> arf, arf. >> sorry. >> that's your second joke today. okay.