>> not particularly governed by it. i think she makes us feel special. in this time she has presided over 12 american presidents and 11 british prime ministers, a huge amount of change, but the queen somehow symbolized british >> this is "the chris matthews show". >> ask not what your country can specialness. do for you. david cameron said this week he >> take down this wall. getting a lot of information >> i can hear you. from the queen during his weekly meetings, do you believe it? >> the time for change has come! >> oh, yeah. she has talked to every prime >> what has love got to do with minister since churchill. it. could mitt romney be the first she knows and has had a lot of president since richard nixon to experience. i think that the remarkable beat someone so likable. thing about england and the monarchy is the role of women in a job situation so desperate the it, that the three greatest president cares more about them, british monarches, elizabeth, it's turned out for the guy that cares less. victoria, and elizabeth have is that the bet romney is lasted longer than all of the making? men and they have all shown this does love mean never having to remarkable sort of tenacity, say you're sorry. can obama rip away at the record this female tenacity. without hurt himself? chris: thatcher as well? will people like him if he gets >> thatcher was a political really tough? figure. the great thing about the finally, still beloved after all monarchy is the head of state is of these years. not a political figure. elizabeth has reined since she represents human beings. chris: i put them all in the london has cleaning up from the

same bag as an american. blitz, since church hill's second, and there is the queen, >> and had is why britain's monarchy is superior in many carrying the beauty and excellence. ways than the american hi, i'm chris matthews, welcome to the show. presidency. the system works because you today, john heilemann, andrea have, you channel all of your patriotism into this person, mitchell, katty kay and andrew into this family. sullivan. first up, is the country in such you don't have polarization. bad shape especially with the >> i have had experiences just disastrous new jobs numbers that with moments with the queen when mitt romney can become the first she was here and also over there president since nixon to win and one of the things that is without being especially liked? not well known about her is can romney be the savior voters that, look, this woman has don't warm up to but decide they traveled the globe and has met every head of government, every need? we know americans rate barack head of state since 1953 and she obama higher than mitt romney on nearly every characteristic out absorbs all of this information. of a total of 18 qualities. so when you were talking about the pollsters ask about, obama the advice she gave to david wins on 16 qualities. cameron, she gives not just his biggest edges are on political advice, she understands foreign policy. likeability in which he wins 3-1 she is a very, very smart woman over romney and on caring about aside from all of the symbolic the average person where he beats them 2-1. virtues. romney is banking that he wins chris: sarah palin was right when she said game change, on the two qualities and the two running england?

ones in which he is the strongest, knowledge of the >> you can quite simon all you economy and the ability to want. change washington. just the ones that could make you should be quoting the him elected he believes if not historian from the sex pistols, god safe the queen, she is not a likeable. john, that's the weird question, could we be on the verge of human being. having a president getting chris: thank you whatever that was. "scoops and predictions" from elected who isn't particularly the notebook of these top liked? >> we could be. reporters. look, the president's people in tell m chicago and the white house have pointed to the personal attributes, the leads that he has, not just likeability is important, shares your values, strong leader, all those attributes they point to them as being huge assets the president has, but the economy is a big millstone around his neck. mitt romney is never going to be as likable. he is never comfortable talking about the things that animate him as a person. the romney campaign isn't going to try to fix that problem. they're staying focused on the president's economic stewardship. they think they can within that argument. the rest melts away. chris: we're looking at the numbers that came on friday. the unemployment rate that rose. we had 69,000 new jobs.

and new numbers tells the last couple months have been much worse than we thought. will the people say darn it, i may not like this guy or know him very well, i'm going to take a chance? >> i think it's possible. these numbers are so unremittingly bad there is no silver lining in the jobs see life in the best light. reports at all. companies are afraid to hire. they're looking to europe. outdoors, or in. they're seeing contagion transitions® lenses automatically filter potentially spread from greece. chris: are we looking at another just the right amount of light. recession before the election? so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. >> i'm not sure that's possible. that would be actually be able maybe even a little better. experience life well lit, to be quantified before the next ask for transitions adaptive lenses. election. it takes time for them to be visit an america's best location near you today measured. it is so bad that you could see people turning to mitt romney to find the authentic transitions brand and the other downside of the numbers, despite the likeability lenses that fit your life. numbers in the battleground america's best. best prices in sight. states and the college advantages the president has, the lack of enthusiasm among his base. chris: i'll no fan of karl rove, many are not. he points out that w won in 2004 not just because he was more

liked in the polling than john kerry, but he was seen as a strong leader. he argues that obama is not. >> well, every time we see a number like the one we saw on friday where the unemployment rate ticks up again, it gives succor to the argument this is a referendum on the white house's policies it's failings. he hasn't fixed the economy. give somebody else a chance. >> there will be a moment in which you're right, people will say, the last four years have been awful and then romney will be the alternative. the next point, what are you going to do mr. romney? what are you doing that is different? i think the most potent question that obama could ask of romney is what would you do differently than george w bush did? what in your policies is different than him, either in foreign policy or domestic policy? chris: welcome back. we know and americans know that john, tell me something i don't didn't work. know. so you do have to move from the >> i have a double barreled john edwards prediction. we're dissatisfied to what do you do next? the first is the government will i think on that in terms of what not attempt to retry john

we want to do about the debt, for example, obama's position of edwards. the second he is likely to have a balance mix of things is much a significant career in public more popular than romney's cut life or service as to end up in taxes on the wealthy and slash a san tearum. >> which is more likely? entitlements. >> it's hard to run on a campaign where you say i haven't >> san tearum. managed to fix it, but what >> russia, vladmir putin, would you do differently? speaking of scary stuff. obama is the president. he has to be the one that goes out to people and says i am president obama thinks he can starting to make it better. cut a deal and have a relationship and at the summit i know that you are still they can work with each other. the fact is that hillary clinton hurting. >> 2 1/2 years of actual -- the and others are taking a look at the arms deliveries to syria point is also, chris, on this, just in the past week and are how many leaders have been saying that russia is the re-elected in the west over the obstacle. russia is the problem. last three years? it's a lot closer to what mitt none. i remember working back with romney said about russia being jimmy carter as a speechwriter. he would talk about world commodity markets, world oil adversarial -- chris: on that front. >> on syria. >> katy. >> one of the hottest tips to prices and the public looks i run for the vice presidency for don't care, you blew it. the republicans is rob portman, going on offense again, this a senator from ohio. romney thing, you had a great if he does so, than the obama campaign will paint him as the word, he suffers from affluenza, man who turned surpluses into he is rich. deficits in his role as trade haven't we had successful presidents born rich, f.d.r. and representative.

john f. kennedy. chris: that is a concern. >> we have. the key thing and the story i you have to play defense then instead of offense. wrote last week, there is a tag >> cardinal doland is in big line that they were considering trouble. using in chicago they may still it's been revealed by the "new use on romney. he has never been in it for you. york times" that he authorized payoffs of $20,000. what does that say? it says, it ties up he didn't chris: the cardinal from new create jobs at bain. york who was once the archbishop he didn't create jobs in of milwaukee. massachusetts. he has this problem of being a >> have been revealed in the rich out of touch guy. "new york times" has authorized payoffs to child rapists priests he is in it for himself. you talk about f.d.r. or j.f.k., about $20,000 to expedite the they were rich guys, but they process of their defrocking. projected the notion that they were on the side of the average that's bad enough. the real thing is that he said voter. what chicago wants to say about romney, he doesn't have your at that time that those best interests at heart. accusations were preposterous he has never delivered for you. and unjust. chris: is there a problem with he is all about himself. getting the priests out of the if they want to make romney not business of parish work, even if scary, he is not scary, he is the dollars 20,000 puts them on going to be dorky. they have to make him a the way for their health care? republican. a lot of the people in the >> i think canyon law should be middle think romney is a junked when you have a child rapist. go to civil law, call up the moderate. they have to nail him for that cops and get them arrested. chris: you said it very well. chris: when we come back, is it we asked the that thousands risky for barack obama to keep leader, 12 of our regulars will blaming george w bush for things? we'll be right back. voters blame barack obama personally for his campaign

attacks on mitt romney as they come. 11 say yes. you all agree, you're all in the majority, who do i start with, katy? >> i think even in this era of super pacs, outside groups that are slinging the negative stuff around it is very hard for the head of a campaign not to be held responsible if the campaign goes that way. and part of the problem for barack obama, if he is going to run on likeability, to be running as the guy throwing the attacks around undermines this. chris: if he goes on the attack, he looks like an attack dog? >> i do, exactly as katy just said, this is his likeability. this is his advantage, his persona. if he starts going really negative, i think that really detracts. chris: what does he do? >> they have to find surrogates to do it. if mitt romney has a sterling

reputation and that bain wasn't that bad. chris: that happened at the end of the week. clinton pulled a cory booker and said this guy is pretty good. >> the congress, the one argument that you can use to say, look, it looks very likely republicans are going to control the house and certainly do better in the sthafment do you really want to hand over all of the keys of government to one party that we know has become extremely radical or do you want me to be the moderating influence is, which is what clinton did in 1996, the moderating calm presence in the middle. >> the only way to do that is scare them about the opposite. john, you said the president would be right to go after and join the attack on the other side. he ought to be the other one warning them and it won't hurt them. >> i think this is a base election. this looks more like 2004 than 2008. the president has to motivate his base. he has to get his coalition turn out for him. the president's base reacts intensely when they think the president is being attacked

unfairly. a race where there is so much negativity and i think there is going to be a lot of free passes given. you're going to see romney very negative, obama really negative. for the president's voters, they see that as not being unlikable. they think he has a right to fight back for himself. chris: can he make, with the allies and donald trump and all of the past contacts, can the president make mitt romney scary? >> i think he can make the policies scary. i don't think the person. again, this is why a slight nuance here. i do think obama should aggressively attack the policy proposals, but not attack the person. chris: katy can he do that, make him scary? >> he can make the vision of what america might be under president romney seem scary to spaks and women -- hispanics and women. >> i do think that mitt romney is scared about being portrayed that way.

they came out with a new video chris: welcome back. president obama welcomed george talking about his wife and her w bush back to the white house illness and really touching for the unveiling of his official portrait the other day. effectively, you know, emotional parts of it. he gave him a little dig. >> in the middle. >> the months before i took the electorate, if you look at under oath of office was a chaotic the independent voters in swing time. states, they think they are to we knew our economy was in the right of barack obama. trouble, our fellow americans they think they are closer to were in pain. george, you went out of your way mitt romney than to barack to make sure that the transition obama. they think their furthest way to a new administration was as from republican trickledown, seamless as possible. republican social issues, all of >> which brings us to this that stuff. if you can make mitt romney own week's big question, is the president risking trouble if he keeps doing things like that, the republican brand -- pointing to w, john? >> i don't think he is pointing chris: you think they can do at w. he is pointing to the financial that, culture and economics and everything? >> you look at the positions he crisis. i think that the obama people took during the primaries, they're going to freeze him like want to always remind people of a bug in amber. the depth of the hole that the chris: for a change of pace and president inhabited. people know that, they need to a change of continent, it's the be reminded. >> that was a graceless moment queen's diamond jubilee. her distinguished 60 years on the throne, three years short of considering what else was going on there. >> yeah, you be is unlikely to victoria's reign they have saved have george w sitting in front the british monarchy. of him again. her own family maybe a he has to carry him. challenge. it's a good trump card to play. the marital problems of charles and diana, fergie and andrew all >> it is bush's fault. all of it is.

drove her to proclaim this in >> thanks to a great roundtable. her annual address to parliament john heilemann, andrea mitchell, in 1992. katty kay and andrew sullivan. that's the show. >> 1992 is not a year on which i thanks for watching. before we go, i have to give congratulations to our michael shall look back with undiluted and sarah on the birth of our first grandchild. pleasure. it has turned out to be a there she is, julia matthews and there is the whole family is together. i am lucky, so lucky. horrible year. we'll be seeing you here next >> when diana was killed five i am lucky, so lucky. we'll be seeing you here next week. years later, the people's grief was at first a trial for the queen herself. it was portrayed in that great film "the queen" with helen mirren playing elizabeth responding to tony blair's criticism that she wasn't mourning enough. >> i doubt there is no one that knows the british people more than i do mr. blair nor has greater faith in their wisdom and judgment. it is my belief that they will any moment reject this mood which has been stirred up by the press in favor of a period of restrained grief and sober

private mourning. that's the way we do things in this country, quietly with dignity. that's what the rest of the world has always admired us for. chris: she has been the object of ridicule, good natured as in this b.b.c. comedy. >> i'm speaking to you today from the 10th robing room where i keep many of my queenly treasures. my sonic septemberor, my balloon clown for use for children at parties, and my magic mirror for telling me who is the fairest in the land. still me! [laughter] chris: the grander story is what she truly means to britain as commentate ors are noting this weekend and last spring at the royal wedding. listen to the commentary as she emerged from the palace. >> the queen with this nation, the servants of the nation and a

wonderful example of how to live in the difficult life of monarchy with such charm and distinction. chris: when we come back, as you heard, the queen has given her country spunk. dwight eisenhower's administration, she has been the constant picture of britain plus "scoops and predictions" from the notes of these great reporters. be right back.

chris: welcome back. as you can see, we're enjoying some tea here to celebrate the 60 years of queen elizabeth's reign. princess elizabeth of the house of windsor became queen when her father gorge died young. the 26-year-old new queen rushed

back from her royal trip to kenya. elizabeth was crowned in the midst of britain's post war recovery. she reigned through the delivente empire and the independence of most of its colonies with prosperity and also deposition at home and an increasingly changing population. britain's leading historian rights in "newsweek" this week that when elizabeth was crowned, she pledged herself to hand over her life to the role of national matriarch so a nation might endure. so katy, match that. i guess the great old churchill war poster was keep calm and carry on. is that what she symbolizes? >> you see signs in london that say panic and freak out. part of the reason we love her is because of her steadiness and that clip from the movie of "the queen" with helen mirren is dead right. the queen was right that it is not in the english nature to be overly emotional and sentimental and massively expressive and

have these huge swings. we are a fairly kind of oppressed steady nation. the queen has some affinity for her people because of that. chris: do you feel governed by that instinct over here?