they trained counselors, teachers, and social workers how to identify signs of trafficking within student bodies. >> someone has come up to us afterwards and has said that they need to make a referral for a child they believe is at risk. >> last year, they identified longerng groomed, nor wearing the same clothing, sport jewelry, and have cell phones and other electronics, material things they never had before. much of the recruiting begins online. >> the trafficker exerts a lot of violence and control over the girls. they will threaten them, but they are also showing them love. domesticy similar to a violence situation. >> howard county police say a 32-year-old regularly eat his victim into submission, transporting her from state to state for two years, forcing her to perform sexual acts on man. >> not just being held by

physical chains. ,t is psychological chains where they may be experiencing an adult paying attention to them maybe for the first time in their lives. to help moved to want combat this problem are encouraged to help supporting the 5k race in kingsville. for more information on that race and its cause, you can go to our website, wbaltv.com. hanover, live from david collins, wbal-tv 11 news. >> now, in norfolk, a charge in the death of some at the aberdeen proving ground. this was back in february at the so-called super pond. five sailors were given administrative punishment for their roles in the death, and one receives the punishment, and the four others who would not were charged with dereliction of duty today. >> tonight, the loss of military

death benefits due to the shutdown is turning out to be a symbol of the dysfunction in the capital, and now an embarrassed congressman is moving to handle it. steve handelsman has the latest in washington. >> the evening, from capitol hill. it was such an oversight, so symbolic of the dysfunction in washington that both sides are wanting to fix it erie it defense secretary chuck hagel went to dover air force base among outrage that the standoff went too far. the remains of four troops killed in afghanistan were returned, but because of the shutdown, the usual $100,000 death benefit to help families with expenses were not paid. 26 families affected. chuck hagel and president obama are said to be very disturbed, and veterans will not get benefit checks next month. some could become homeless. that is according to the secretary of veterans affairs. >> i just did not think that the

august members of this committee or the congress would allow this to happen. >> republicans blame democrats. >> the administration is playing politics on the backs of the families of our fallen. this is unconscionable. >> the white house admitted that these should have been paid when they paid for the troops. some saw signs of more bipartisanship, from top republican paul ryan, calling for both sides to cut spending and reform tax law but did not mention obama care, which john boehner still sees as central. >> what a train wreck. for notwe tax people buying a product from a website that does not work? >> they say it is not working for families as well as it could. >> the pentagon said they would

pay the full death benefits to as able military families reimbursement to a group that has offered to pay. steve handelsman, wbal-tv 11 news. >> meanwhile, as part of the affordable care act, americans have been able to enroll, but here in maryland, only several hundred have been doing so. lowell melser joins us from the hall. >> the mayor in baltimore city has been making a push since october 1 or folks here that are uninsured to, in fact, get insurance, but it has been confusing for many, and in some cases, the state's website has not been working well either. those in charge of the process say they are hoping for a quick fix soon. it has been a little over one week since maryland health connection began opening open enrollment for uninsured people in maryland, and the website has been plagued by problems, and

according to health care access maryland, only some 400 people have actually signed up. >> we hear from the maryland health and action every day, and we know they are working around- the-clock, and each day that goes by, we have been seeing improvement. >> another blamed the website problems on a bottlenecking of traffic because so many people are interested in getting health care. they also said enrollment has been low because people have not been able to make up their minds. >> people have likely gone online and looked at the products that are available, and they need some time to sit back and contemplate what is available to them before signing up. >> there are one of six connectors in the state, in midtown, offering information to folks who wanted health care and an alternative to using the web. >> i am inquiring for a family member, and this is the first time i have done so.

i do not have experience with the website at this point. >> the connections. i hope i will be ok. >> do you think this will help you? >> i hope so. i hope so. >> to baltimore committee health commissioner says she also is not disappointed by the low numbers, saying there is still plenty of time to enroll. >> we have got opportunities and plans in place to make sure that we blanket the city, and everybody is aware of what is on the exchange and the plans that are available to protect the family. >> if you are having trouble with the maryland health connections website, you can call them, as well. -- ok,ns are expected to all right. >> they were trying to get their 15 seconds of fame. a water main break. when we come back, how close

they are to completing the repair. >> plus, checking the chicken. one said you would not order chicken nuggets at the drive- through if you knew what they were made of. the breakdown tonight. the medical alert. >> military families do not loved oneser their have paid the ultimate sacrifice.

on news wee now brought you last night, with crews working to repair a water main break, and you can see the water showing across the avenue. traffic is getting by in both restriction -- both areas, but there are restrictions in place. they say once they finish digging up the pipe, they will work on replacing it. and baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake says stay tuned, more retail space may be on the way. the mayor has long argued to retailers that the city is underserved, and she is viewing point, a starting looking to see that retailers are no longer looking past the city of baltimore. >> people in the national

market, their eyes are on baltimore. we have been talking with developers and with retailers that borders in the city are untapped markets. >> by the way, those 30 new shops are expected to bring about 1000 jobs to the area. >> our medical alert tonight, about 30 for load workers are coming back to help investigate a salmonella outbreak with the cdc, traced to raw chicken produced by a farm in california. according to the u.s. da, nearly half of those patients have been hospitalized three at during the shutdown, the cdc is operating with about one third of its staff. about 40% of the fda workers are furloughed. chicken nuggets? maybe not so much. says he haser

studied chicken nuggets at two fast food restaurants, and he says chicken is a healthy meat source and rich in protein until it is processed. in de problem is it gets rated. this is gastrointestinal tissue. there is all kinds of stuff in there that is not chicken meat. >> fast food chicken nuggets are also high in fat and sodium, but most doctors agree they are fine to eat in moderation. insta weather1 plus forecast with meteorologist tom tasselmyer. cloudy skies, and the rain is not far away, and there is some rain coming in as we speak, and that is keeping temperatures in the upper 50's and low 60's. we are not going to see much of a temperature drop, but we are holding steady from what we are seeing. even western maryland, not that

much cooler. 56 at frostburg. the wind is starting to pick up. these are not wind gusts, but the gusts reported at some of the weather stations, and you notice some of the yellow and orange, the wind scale starts to show some higher wind speeds. this system self of the outer inks, winds gusting at 35 ocean city right now, and in georgetown, delaware, and gusting up near 20 miles per hour here in the baltimore area in response to this approaching storm. over dover,the rain annapolis, south of baltimore, over towards d.c., all of the way back into the mountains to the south and west, and this will continue to spread back across much of central -- southern maryland. some areas will be just cloudy, but the farther east you go, the wetter it is going to be. already, there has been some

substantial rain. getting up to half an inch or the one inch mark, very heavy rain offshore. this will continue to spread north and west, and we have the potential to pick up an inch of rain with more light rain taking us into the beginning of the weekend. and breezy and cool. tonight, lows of 50 to 55, a northwest wind at 10 to 15, and on the wide scale of our satellite radar, you can see this off the outer banks. this is the remnants of what was once the tropical storm karen. as was combining with a front that stalled off of the coast, and it is not going to be in a hurry to leave. high pressure over new england, and this is sort of a block going on, and this is expected to spin its wheels over the next three or four days, which means the weather pattern is not going to change that much, and we will not have torrential rains, but the threat of rain will be with

us all weekend. get computer model does some rain into western maryland, but much lighter rain, and it will not be raining the entire time, as you can see there are gaps here. tomorrow, into friday, probably saturday and sunday, we will still have some drips and drops around. tomorrow, a northeast breeze at 10 to 15, and the sunrise at 7:11. the winds gusting at 25 knots, so some of that brees we see on the coast will be working in lent, and that could mean up to four foot waves on the open area of the day tomorrow, so small craft advisories tomorrow. again, western maryland, we will throw in a chance of a brief rain shower or two, otherwise cloudy and cool, but the rain chances go up as you hit the coast, and 80%, 90% chance. , with an onshore win

at ocean city for the next couple of days. the forecast around baltimore, breezy and wet tomorrow, chance of showers friday, saturday and sunday generally cloudy, some rain drops in there, and because we are talking light rain or drizzle, 68 on sunday, and finally the sun breaks through the cloud cover. >> thank you. another case of rabies is confirmed in maryland. >> where they discovered the rabid raccoon, and a warning from health officials. plus -- >> he four i started exercising, i could not run to the end of the street without falling over. >> she lost a lot of weight and completely changed her lifestyle. her inspirational story. straight ahead. >> the tail of the former super bowl m.v.p.. >> i am sally kidd in washington on day nine of the government

shutdown, talks at the white house.

win on theg a key road against the miami dolphins, the ravens come back, for the only game at mnb -- at the stadium in october. forete gilbert joins us more. >> once every eight years, the packers came to town, and last time, it was brett favre taking it in. now, another returning with one of the finest resumes. joe flacco and aaron rodgers have a bit more in common than you may suspect, each with a nine figure contract, each enjoying national commercial endorsement.

>> i can definitely watch his marshals. i cannot watch mine, so, yes, i like his better. >> and they each have a super bowl ring. the green bay m.v.p. charms the fans. the ravens a sound awfully impressed. rodgers, whenon you are playing a quarterback that has full control of the offense, you have to kind of be on your best game, so we are looking at this like that. >> he is one of the premier quarterbacks in football. he does it his way. he has got his own unique style. >> a darling. joe flacco, his game sometimes gets ugly, but he delivers now with a toughness unmatched in the position and staying in the moment.

makesllowing for long them a perfect leader for the team. it is a matter of making plays in the moment on sunday, preparing like we do, and then going out there on sunday and executing the way we know how to. >> we will see two great quarterbacks on sunday, where it is a good bet that he who has the ball last leaves the field the winner. up, rising above and beyond expectations. covering the ravens, pete gilbert, wbal-tv 11 sport. >> part of the government shutdown, and u.s. veterans are starting to feel the pinch. theire are losing pensions, as in barest lawmakers scrambled to restore death benefits. that is coming up. plus -- >> the senator theatre will be reopening soon.

live, local, latebreaking. you are watching wbal-tv 11 news. wbal-tv 11 news at 5:00 em continues right now. >> death benefits could soon be restored to families who lost a loved one in the line of.

>> benefits were put on hold because of the government shutdown, but today, the house voted to reinstate those payments. >> the cold killian has more, including how veterans are being impacted. >> late today, the defense chairman announced how a charity up the tabarily pick for the death benefits until the shutdown ends. secretary chuck hagel and other military officials saluted those fallen in afghanistan, the house approved a resolution to restore death benefits to families of the fallen. these dare we not provide families with the necessary support in their time of need? i am truly embarrassed. >> a 100,000 dollar benefits were suspended as part of the shutdown. >> i apologize. >> the administration is playing politics on the backs of our fallen. >> a white house spokesperson

said the president was upset when he found out. >> he is doing the right thing as commander-in-chief and making sure it is resolved. >> this goes without saying that none of this is ideal. >> other benefits for veterans. one man warned that he could not possibly make payments to 5 million beneficiaries next month if the shutdown continues. >> is this true? would they not get their benefits? is this a game? >> it is not a game, congresswoman. there are families, veterans, anddren are counting on us, they expect us to deliver. >> including this veteran, who has already been for load. disheartened when i cannot give back to my fellow veterans. >> these benefits are due november 1. a total about $6 billion for

veterans and their families and pensionsverything from to disability compensation. nikole killion, wbal-tv 11 news. >> president obama has named janet yellen as the next head of the federal reserve, previously being the vice chair. if confirmed, she will be the first woman to lead any central tok and the first elected the fed in decades. is a look at some other big stories we are following. the department of health is now confirming another case of rabies, this time a raccoon found at the 80 -- at the gatehouse on monday. they are now asking anybody who may have had contact with the to contactthat area them, and if your pet has had contact, they want you to call animal control.

authoritiesunty, say they are working to identify a man that was found dead on tuesday afternoon, the discovery made around 4:15, and 11 news has confirmed that there are no signs of obvious injury or foul play, but please tell us they have yet to determine an exact cause of death. right now, a baltimore man is charged in involuntary manslaughter in the death of his granddaughter, charges coming more than three months after it happened, and it was initially now, he accident, but is facing criminal charges. we are told the toddler was found unresponsive after being left in a truck on an 89 degree day. he was supposed to drop the child off at daycare but instead drove home and fell asleep. the chai aired -- child died later at the hospital.

>> and the landmark theater looks better than ever after renovation. hasews reporter rob roblin more as we await the grand reopening. >> after years of controversy over ownership and funding, the senator theatre is finally about to reopen. trip back toking a 1939, when the senator theatre opened. this is, once again, a beautiful theater. >> there is a brand-new velour curtain that was printed based on archival footage. other things were made by hand, they stunned photographs of the life pictured -- like pictures that were here initially. and there was paint that helped to be picked based on architectural review. they have been restoring the original wood that decorates the lobby.

>> historical landmarks is my appetite. i enjoyed working on them. >> tony installed the sound equipment. >> it was hard work, but it was well worth it, the good you can see the results. it is beautiful. >> they are doing some last- minute cleaning, for tomorrow's grand opening, benefiting the platt library. >> it is an organization that promotes child and teenager literacy in the city. >> in addition to the main theater, there are three additional smaller theaters, and soon, this area will become a wine bar. single screens a is not viable. you have to have more screens so you can bring more films in. >> the senator theatre is back and more beautiful than ever. rob roblin, wbal-tv 11 news. >> you cannot wait, right? a big rig accident.

>> we know at least one person is dead, and a check of the other passengers on board. >> and doubled jeopardy. that is how one father reacts to what he calls his sons the havey role problem. -- behavioral problem. ñóñó

tonight,ng the nation one woman dead, others in the hospital after a greyhound us aligned with a tractor-trailer in pennsylvania carrying 50 passengers to cleveland, ohio, when it crashed. thiswas around 1:40 afternoon, and people were transported from the scene in critical condition. the driver of the tractor- trailer was not hurt. detective faces charges for his involvement in an attack on an suv driver. a lot of people have seen video of the assault, and it shows

people hitting and kicking the vehicle before pulling the driver out and assaulting him. the police officer told internal affairs he was afraid his cover would be blown if he came forward and did not tell his supervisors about it until three days later, and he is expected to post bond today. that snuck onto a plane this weekend, his father is speaking out over what he calls the behavioral problem. the boy did not have a ticket or boarding pass but did manage to sneak through at the airport in minneapolis and has been in protective custody ever since in nevada. although he does not want to be identified, the father says he and the mother have been asking for help in parenting this child. >> if i let my son keep doing what he is doing, i get in trouble. please help need.

please. a minneapoliso newspaper, there have been four child protection assessment on that family since last year. and lawyers of the former nfl player accused of murdering odin lloyd, they want to keep the details of that case private going forward. the judge refused to issue a gag order in the case. the defense said that was necessary to avoid tainting the jury pool, and another is asking that the judge recused yourself due to an unrelated case years ago during which he and the judge were involved. hernandez pled not guilty last month. shetill to come, she said is proof that anyone can run a marathon. >> at the finish line, i cried. i was, like, i could not believe i could do this. >> she could not run down the block, but years later, she is one of the marathon's biggest

cheerleaders and says you can do it also. >> one woman appearing before a judge. >> and some steady rain coming up from the south. we are in for an extended stretch of wet weather. cloudy skies.

>> good afternoon. here is what we are working on for 11 news at 6:00. in the works between president obama and gop leaders. we will have a live report from capitol hill. and the i-team learned about a patient who died after falling out of an ambulance. the investigation continues as

the company comes under fire.

>> we are following breaking news with sky team 11. captain roy taylor, what is going on? >> south of 32, a to car crash, one of them actually flipped upside down, and they are getting the vehicles out of the roadway. at the time, two people were hurt in this accident, that we know of. traffic is backed up for about two miles eastbound. anthbound, they expect about four mild delay. -- for mild delay.

delay.ur-mile >> today, the inspiring story of jennifer, years ago 160 pounds overweight, and today, she is the baltimore running festival's biggest cheerleader. the 29-year-old went out to and turned into a runner. >> that is when the running bug me. >> it was 2009, and she was meeting her mother and sister for lunch on the same day as the marathon, which meant she had to park far away and go in with a runners. >> they were having fun, and they were running like 26 miles, and they were happy, and people were cheering for them, and they were people like you and me. they were just people out there trying to get his golf fitness and have fun. >> that day, she decided she

would run one also. even though she had never run before, and overweight most of her life. she was halfway to her goal of losing 160 pounds. would kind of keel over. >> seven months later, she finished her first race, a 5k, and then she signed up for the baltimore half marathon. >> it was one of the best days in my life. >> and when it was time to tackle her first marathon, she knew it had to be baltimore. >> it means a lot to me. people said, it is a really hilly marathon, and i did not care. i would get it done. >> she went from a size 28 to a size eight, became a lifelong runner of five miles per day, and is determined to pass it on. recruited those

for a relay team and took the toughest leg. she wanted to show people that running baltimore could change your life. jennifer says that now she is a lifelong runner, five miles a day, with a long run of eight or 10 miles on the weekend even if she is not training. we will have complete coverage starting with 11 news saturday morning, nice and early at 5:00 a.m., and then we will have exclusive coverage of the race run the start to the finish, and we will be following the runners in the marathon and all of the exciting activities that happen in between. that is all right here on wbal- tv 11. now, your forecast with meteorologist tom tasselmyer. >> we will be dealing with some wet weather out there, occasional drizzle continuing. if you have somebody coming out to watch you, you will have to have some rain gear. the high was nine degrees cooler

than normal because of the cloud cover we have been dealing with. the low was higher than normal because of the cloud cover in the morning. next few days, we are not going to see much of a change on the thermometer, did he's and 60's, pretty much the rule, and it is not much cooler. in the eastern shore, some rain has been falling. the wind is picking up on the coast, and there is a coastal storm staying near the shore. the onshore wind coming in, it oceane breezy down to city, winds gusting 35 to 40 miles per hour sitting at the mouth of the delaware bay, and it gets a whole lot wetter to our south and east. some steady and heavy rain starting to come off of the ocean towards the coast, and this will continue to work back towards baltimore overnight. temperatures settling back into

the low 50's, and the wind is risk out of the northeast. you can see high pressure out here, noting into northern new england, sunshine across much of northern new england, that south of cape hatteras, that is going to be sitting there for the next couple of days, and that means spinning the moisture off of the ocean, keeping us cloudy and moist at times. this may make its way back into the mountains. towers more prevalent down the lower eastern shore, moderate to heavy rain even through parts of central maryland or the next couple of days. there is potential for more rain. brees to 63, a northeast at 10 to 15 miles per hour. a small craft advisory on the bay. the northeast winds are gusting to 25 knots, and in western maryland, a slight chance for showers. be a few drips

and drops, temperatures in the 50's, and breezy and wet, and the coastal areas are the wettest and the windiest, highs in the mid 60's. the seven-day forecast for baltimore, and, again, this will be around for a while, a chance for rain or drizzle, and then on sunday, a break in the cloud cover. mer alert,"ht "consu do we need more regulation? a are looking into the matter. they will start to study the payroll services industry and how to prevent fraud. ans comes after investigation into a company. companies are often used to pay their federal and state taxes, but this company allegedly took money from many small businesses and never paid their full tax bills. and billions was not enough for

men's wearhouse to turn over their operations to joseph a. bank, the bid rejected today, which said the deal was not in the interest of shareholders and would likely brought antitrust scrutiny. were willing to pay 36% above the closing stock price on tuesday, and they said it would help them with their earnings last month print a saw their net income fall 39%. and thanksgiving holiday travelers should expect to pay about five dollars more every day they wait to book according to a website, and no matter when you look, other travel websites say you should be prepared to shell out more to see your family. travelocity says the average flight willost -- cost over $400, up over seven percent from last year. >> hazardous? it is up to a judge. halloweenand owner's

decorations. for years, she has turned her garden,o a halloween and while some love it, apparently not everyone is onboard. she just got a cease and desist order from county officials, and it has to deal with her decorations causing traffic problems in an area where parking is already limited. >> you have people hating on you when you are trying to do something for the community. it hurts me. >> she is set to argue her case in front of a judge, and until then, she says she will continue getting her yard ready for halloween. and for the next three weeks, you are looking to size up a pumpkin for a shot at winning a pretty a prize. you do not have to guess its weight. theif you can somehow guess

correct number of seeds inside his massive body, you will win $300. it will be on display in cockeysville until november 2, when he will be cut open, and his seed will be cut open. still ahead on 11 news, is more technology heading into the classroom? tim tooten lets us in on what some educators are saying about going high tech. but first -- >> the running festival is this weekend, but if running is not your thing, we will introduce you to an 80 two-year-old

>> this weekends running festival is going on, but another shows that you do not have to run to be fit. a very active senior who makes bicycling part of her active routine. >> being out in the fresh air and sunshine, and the freedom to go where i want to go in the community. >> it is what motivates this 82- year-old grandmother of seven to get on her ike every day and go for a ride. >> are there any challenges you are facing now that you did not face 20 years ago when you did this? >> yes, the hills. seriouslyst started cycling 20 years ago, and she does not go as fast, but that is not the point. jokingly, she says she is doing

important work on that bike of her is. >> i am solving world problems. >> ok, so maybe she is not solving the worlds problems, but she is doing a world of good for her body. she and her husband of over 60 years moved into the community over a year ago and takes exercise classes three days a week and is inspiring other residents to get exercising. >> others here have picked up on bicycling, and, as a matter of fact, i repaired one of them for a lady who picked it up this week. >> she smiles when she talks about what it is doing for her brain. >> very important. toimportant also, she hopes be a role model, but for seniors, she hopes to have a special message meant for those who are able to exercise. .> get out of there your home, your apartment. .nd see the world

>> jennifer franciotti, wbal-tv 11 news. >> i like her. what an inspiration for all of us. that will do it for us at 5:00. here is a look at what is going on at 6:00. >> i am sally kidd. talks at the white house, but are they making any progress? >> city health officials expressed concerns over the state website for health care. >> and i am jayne miller. what caused a 72-year-old woman to fall from a stretcher in an ambulance, and she later died. are sayingficials little. >> you are watching wbal-tv 11, live, local, late raking. this is 11 news at 6:00 p.m. the partial government shutdown continues.

congress is calling on congress to end the shutdown. >> house republican leaders say no deal without negotiations first. sally kidd joins us from washington with the very latest. >> leaders of the house met today to discuss the situation, and the president kate off a series of meetings with members of congress, what for now, the standoff continues. president huddled with house democrats at the white house, and house republicans return tomorrow. >> this is about the president meeting with as many members of congress as he can to talk about these very important issues. >> on capitol hill, a rally on the capital steps. >> speaker boehner, take the gun out of the head of this nation. >> mr. speaker, i rise today to say we have entered the twilight zone. >> vista speaker, why did you

not just let your people go? >> what a train wreck. how can we tax people for not buying health insurance from a website that does not work. >> they were calling for work on the debt ceiling. >> what we are lacking is a room. we do not have a table or chairs or anybody in the chairs. >> the house continue to send bills for restoring parts of government. >> chucky cheese calls it whack a mole, and that is what they were doing. >> we do not do the budget the snail. we are supposed to do them piecemeal. thehe president has invited entire caucus over for a meeting at the white house, and they will be sending a smaller

contingent of some 18 negotiators instead. live in washington, sally kidd, wbal-tv 11 news. >> did the speaker say why he is limiting this to a smaller group ? >> well, a spokesperson for speaker boehner believes a smaller group made up of gop leadership and the chairman would be more constructive and be more productive area the white house says the president is disappointed because he wanted to speak to rectally with thoselawmakers -- lawmakers who, quote, forced this economic crisis on america, meaning tea party representatives. >> it is said the nation will default on its debt if the government does not raise the $16 trillion borrowing limit. >> as part of the affordable care act, uninsured americans have been able to enroll in the health care since the beginning of the month, but here in maryland, only a few hundred have done so, and some say it is

because the problem with the website. live fromser joins us city hall with the very latest. >> the mayor's office has been promoting, for those here in havemore city who do not health care insurance, to go ahead and get it, but for many, the process has been relatively confusing, and those in charge of the operations in maryland are saying they are hoping the process will get easier. it has been a little over a week since maryland health connection began offering open enrollment for uninsured maryland residents, and the website has been plagued by problems, and according to health care access maryland, less than four hundred people have actually signed up. >> we hear from the maryland health connection every day and know that they are working round-the-clock, and each day that goes by, we have been seeing sums this dim improvements. >> they are blaming the health connection website woes on a bottleneck of

traffic because so many people are interested in getting health care. it is also said enrollment has been low because people have not been able to make up their minds . >> people have likely gone online and looked at the products and just need some time to sit back and contemplate what is available to them before signing up. it is a big decision. >> access maryland, one of six connectors in the state, where in midtown, looking to help people with an alternative to using the web. >> i am inquiring for a family member, and this is the first time i have done so, so i do not have experience with the website at this point. >> i hope i will be ok. >> do you think this will help you? >> i hope so. i believe so. >> the health commissioner told 11 news that she also is not disappointed by the low numbers, saying there is