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captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation," mr. trump goes the washington and takes a victory lap after the greatest real estate acquisition of them all, the white house. the ultimate outsider begins his transition to the highest office in the land amidst promise and protest. will president-elect trump change washington, or will will he keep his more controversial campaign promises, or is everything negotiable? >> they're talking about a fence in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas i would. but certain areas a wall is more appropriate. >> dickerson: we'll get a preview from his first post-election interview that will air tonight on "60 minutes." plus can trump unify the republican party and the nation? >> we are now talking about how we're going to hit the ground running to make sure that we can
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and make america great again. >> meaghan: we'll talk with former speaker of the house and trump transition team member newt gingrich, and after a thorough defeat, democrats look to rebuild. we'll sit down with former presidential hopeful senator bernie sanders and talk about that and his new book. we'll also hear from our politics panel and sit down with cbs news journalists you don't normally see on camera, our 2016 embedded campaign reporters. what did they learn from voters along the way? it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. president-elect donald trump sat down with "60 minutes" lesley stahl on friday. she asked mr. trump which campaign promises he expects to keep. >> let's go through very quickly some of the promises you made and tell us if you're going to do what you said or if you're going to change it in any way. are you really going to build a wall? >> yes. >> reporter: they're talking about a fence in the republican
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would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas i would, but certain areas a wall is more appropriate. i'm very good at construction. there could be some fencing. >> reporter: what about the pledge to deport millions and millions of unl -- undocumented immigrants? >> what we are going to do is get the people that are criminals and have criminal records, gang members, probably two million, it could be four of our country or we're going to incarcerate. we're getting them out of our country. they're here illegally. after the border is secured and after everything gets normalized we're going to make a determination on the people that you're talking about who are terrific people. they're terrific people. we're going to make a determination. but before we make that determination, it's very important, we're going to secure our border. >> dickerson: all right.
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donald trump and the trump family will air on tonight's "60 minutes" after football. joining us now is former speaker of the house and vice-chair of the trump transition team newt gingrich. he is also the author of the upcoming novel "treason." welcome, mr. speaker. does donald trump have mandate? >> well, i think, first of all, he won, and he won pretty decisively in the electoral college. and i think the deeper thing is republicans won the house, they won the senate, they won the governorship. most republican governors in history, most republican state legislators in history. so if you look at the country, there is certainly a shift toward republican government on a pretty big scale. >> dickerson: is it a challenge for him that he didn't win the popular vote? >> to some extent, but in 49 states he had a majority and then there's california. we don't compete in california. the current rules of the game, we're not going to carry california. it's a sad cycle.
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it gets worse every year. if this had been a general election, would the total vote matter? we would have competed in california. >> dickerson: are you still a fan of getting rid of the electoral college? you used to be. >> in the long run you want the whole country to be represented. the point is if we had total vote mattering, we would have come peteed in california. we would have probably picked up at least two million votes just by competing. >> dickerson: let's talk about the pace of change. should donald trump swing for the fences or go for singles? >> swing for the fences. i've done this twice in my career. i did it with reagan in '81. i did it as speaker in '95. this is a city that if you don't shove it as hard as you can when you have momentum, it will surround you. the swamp doesn't want to be drained, and the swamp will just suck you in if you let it. he needs to have a very, very aggressive first year. >> dickerson: when i covered your presidential race and run
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case for incrementalism. in two cases you said, you know, when the country is as bitterly divided, and you put your name on a program and think any democrat is going to vote for it, you have to go... your argument is you have to go out and sell it. so explain how you swing for the fences, shove this country, but aren't moving too fast. >> two things. first of all, all the review, a terrific book called "the education of ronald reagan." it shows you what hern about moving the country. so you have to move... trump has to be the salesman. second, take something big like infrastructure, he can work with chuck schumer on infrastructure. he can find a bipartisan path that allows us to dramatically improve infrastructure, something trump knows an immense amount about. and you could have a very big bipartisan bill on infrastructure. i suspect on tax reform there's a chance to put together a tax reform package which also, as
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a lot of the terrific differentials inside the tax code in a way that could be very advantageous to american business. >> dickerson: back in '12, you also said we got mad at obama but he ran over us when we said don't do it, well, republicans ought to follow that same ground rule. does that still apply? >> i think it's very important that trump try to have as many democrats as possible help him do this, because one of the lessons of the obama years is if you do things that are big on the purely partisan they're not stable. i think trump wants to change america to make it great again for a generation, not just for eight years. >> dickerson: what has he done since being elected president that made you think, gee, that's different? >> well, i mean, first of all, his speech on... his victory speech was very conciliatory, very much in the right direction. i think his visit to the white house was very respectful on both sides, and i think encouraging in that sense.
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paul ryan and with mitch mcconnell and the fact that he's integrating mike pence so thoroughly, which also happened with chaney. chaney led the transition. pence will lead the transition. i think all those things show you steps toward stability and maturity that are very, very encouraging. >> dickerson: paul ryan said today on cnn there's not going to be a deportation force. mr. trump has said that he's going to incorporate some ideas of oba about on the stump, too. now that he's president, are a lot of the things that seem to be bright rhines on the campaign, are they much more negotiable? >> if you listen to the brief section on "60 minutes," there are going to be substantial deportations. they're called criminals. two million people would be a lot of people to deport. and if it's the same thing, we'll regain control of the border, and if you pass as gustworker program, you would be a long way to dealing with the
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without legal permission. and i think that by stage we would accommodate it in some way. i think in terms of obamacare, it's going to be repealed. but there are certain aspects of it that are widely supported, and you don't want to capriciously take away the right of somebody to be on their parents' insurance until 26. you want to protect the right to have insurance coverage without any kind of precondition, but that means is you're not going to have mandate, which we're not. it hasn't been they can't punish young people with taxes for not buying insurance. then you better have a high-risk rule which paul ryan has suggested where some device, so if you have a precondition but you're in the insured, you're still going to get health care. >> dickerson: let me ask you about a sense of conflict in this country. there were 60 million people who didn't vote for mr. trump. help explain to somebody who didn't vote for him and to other people going around saying, not my president. in part donald trump rose to prominence by challenging the
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legitimate president, that he wasn't born in america, that there was no evidence to that. five years saying he was illegitimate. why should anybody who doesn't like donald trump think he is legitimate now? >> it's a question or whether or not you want a successful venture. frankly, if you're hard left, it's very hard to imagine why you're going to accommodate a trump presidency, because the two goals... remember, george w. bush was a attacked by day one from the hard left. obama was attacked fro we've now been through 16 years of siege warfare. interestingly, while we got involved in a fight with clinton, no one ever attacked the legitimacy of the clinton presidency or bush one or reagan or carter for that matter. >> dickerson: part of what this stems from is the campaign that trump ran. it's been written about this campaign, "his victory in the
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visibility to the alt right, anti-semites and self-proclaimed fascists. supporting a president trump cannot mean giving a path to the ugly fringe that has risen with him. what does donald trump have to do to address that?" >> i have to say, that's garbage. i don't care what it says. this whole notion... the "washington post" had this column that pointed out that we're on the anniversary of kristallnacht, the night when nazis attacked jewish businesses. this is crazy. donald trump is a mainstream conservative who wants to profoundly take on the left. the left is infuriated that anybody would challenge the legitimacy of their moral superiority. and so the left is hysterical. but the fact is... you get this with steve bannon. he's a naval officer, a hollywood movie producer, a manager at goldman sachs.
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about the alt right until this nut case started writing about it. >> dickerson: so your point is it's garbage so donald trump doesn't have to deal with it? >> donald trump is donald trump. the country will organize itself around him. >> dickerson: does donald trump keep a twitter account? >> look, if the technique for reaching 13 and 14 million people at no cost and gets him around "the new york times." >> dickerson: what do you want to do? >> i want to restructuring of the federal government. >> dickerson: that sounds like a doe metzic role. >> well, it's restructuring the federal government. >> dickerson: one question people had about donald trump, whether anyone can tell him no. can anyone tell donald trump no? >> maybe ivanka and melania. i don't know. look, this is a very strong-wild guy who has risen in remarkable ways. he's worth $4 to $10 billion.
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nomination. he beat secretary clinton for the presidency. he took on virtually the entire national media and beat them. he has a great deal of faith in his own instincts. he's more right than we were most days. >> dickerson: speaker gingrich, thank you so much for being here. while republicans are enjoying their victories in the house, senate and of course the white house, donald trump's opponents are scared, angry and vowing to never let the country forget what he said and did on the campaign trail. president-elect! >> dickerson: tens of thousands took to the streets saturday as protests continued for a fifth day across the country. and "saturday night live" took a break from the comedy to mourn the outcome. ? and even though it all went wrong. ? i'll stand before the lord in song. ? with nothing on my tongue but hallelujah.
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hallelujah ? hallelujah ? >> dickerson: but democrats are also in for some soul-searching, looking to recapture lost ground. as it happens, there's a new book coming out this week, offering a road map for the party. "our revolution: a future to believe in." its author joins us now, a familiar fixture from campaign 2016, vermont senator bernie sanders. welcome, senator sanders. >> good to be with you >> one of the protest anthems going on about donald trump is is he your president? >> he won the election. i did everything i could to see he not become elected, but he won. our job now is to hold him accountable, you know. mr. trump claimed that he was the champion of the working class of this country, and as you know, mr. are millions people who are working longer hours for lower wages. they don't have health care. they can't afford to send their kids to college. they can't afford childcare. if mr. trump, in fact, has the courage to take on wall street,
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to try to work forward, go forward to create a better life for working people, we will work with him issue by issue. but if his presidency is going to be about discrimination. if it's going to be about scapegoating immigrants or scapegoating african-americans or muslims, we will oppose him vigorously. >> dickerson: a lot of democrats are bereft at this outcome. and it's in the it's that there are people who are shaken by this. what is your message to the democrats? >> our message is that we have to do a lot of rethinking and ask ourselves, how does it happen that we have a president, a u.s. senate, a house, and most governorships around this country are controlled by people who want to give yowj r huge tax breaks to billionaires, many instances they want to cut social security and medicare and
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believe in the concept, the understanding of climate change, which is virtually unanimously agreed to by the scientific community. how does it happen that they win election and democrats lose? and i think what the conclusion is is that democrats are focused too much with a liberal elite, which is raising incredible sums of money for wealthy people in the upper middle class but has ignored to a very significant degree the working-class and the middle class and low-income people i look, the truth is, in my view, this country is moving toward an of garrick form of society where a handful of billionaires and large corporations control the economy. as a result of citizens united, they now control our political system, where the koch brothers and billionaires can buy elections. they have undue influence over the media, as well. and what the democratic party has got to say to working people,, you know what, we are going the take on wall street. with we're not going the take
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prescription drugs. we're going to raise the minimum wage. we're not going to be oonly major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people. you have to make a decision which side you're on. democrats have to stand with the working families of this country. >> dickerson: how do you read the election result? was it a failure of health care or a victory of donald trump? >> it was both. i think speaker gingrich is right. i think trump has very, very good political instincts. what he understood, which m you want an average american out there making $30,000 $40,000 $50,000, you're working longer hours for low wages while almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%. you're not happy. you're seeing your jobs go the china. your kids can't afford college. you can't buy the medicine you need. you're worried to death about the future generation. trump tapped that anger. now, what our job is to do is to
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he talked about the problems. you think throwing 20 million people off of health care is a solution to the health care crisis? is giving hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top two-tenths of 1% going to be the solution to income and wealth inequality? i don't think so. our job is to say, mr. trump, you talked about being the champion of the working families. now produce. your rhetoric was great. now do something. we will not accept racism. we will not accept sexism or xenophobia. >> dickerson: do you think his gingrich said that idea was garbage. >> i'm afraid mr. gingrich is wrong. i'm not saying that's all it was built on, but when you begin your campaign by talking about throwing 11 million people who are undocumented out of this country or building a wall with mexico or presenting muslims, one of the largest religions in this country, in the world, i
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degree it was. >> dickerson: should democrats pay attention to the way you ran your campaign or the way hillary clinton ran hers? >> it's not just hillary clinton's campaign. it's time to rethink whether or not the democratic party can simply spend so much time and energy raising money from wealthy people and putting ads on television. what we need to do is create a grassroots movement of millions of people who want to transform this country and make it the kind of country we can have. john, there is no rational reason why we pay the highest price in the world for drugs. no rational reason why we are the only major nation on earth that doesn't have paid family and medical leave. why are our kids going to see a lower standard of living than their parents? we can transform this country. we're a wealthy country. we can do it. but we have to have the courage to stand up to the billionaire class and corporate america.
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>> dickerson: and we're back with more from senator bernie sanders, not only a former presidential candidate but the author of "our revolution." senator, is this the owner's manual for the new democratic revolution? >> i think it is, john. what i tried to do, half of the book is talking about the campaign, why i ran for office, what we did well, what we didn't the kind of excitement that we generated all over this country. but the other half of the book basically asks the question and tries to give the answer: how do we go forward? i am tired of watching television where you have a campaign which is about mr. trump's attitude toward women versus health care's e-mails. you know what, those are not the major issues facing america. the middle class of this country for 40 years has been in decline. massive levels of income and
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why do we not guarantee health care to all people? how do we create a health care system that's cost effective and universal? what about a broken criminal justice system. why do we have more people in jail than any other country? how do we invest in our young people so we don't end up in jail? what about immigration reform? we have got to have information, and the media has got to do it as well, john. a serious discussion about the serious issues facing us. by the way, whatst and i hope this changes really quickly, is you now have a president-elect who actually does not believe that climate change is real. i worry very much what this means for our kids and our grandchildren and the future of this planet. and millions of people are going to have to tell him mr. trump, you are dead wrong, and we're going to have to transform our energy. >> dickerson: are you talking about marches on washington? what's the action item for a nervous democrat out there? >> to understand that on
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climate change, pay equity for women, rebuilding our infrastructure, making public colleges and universities tuition-free, we are the majority. that is what the american people want. and the democrats will win elections by pounding away on those issues and talking about not giving tax breaks to billionaires, undoing citizens united, a disastrous supreme court decision. we are the majority, and by the way, let's not clinton did win more votes than mr. trump, so pound away on the issues that bring people together, fight vigorously against all forms of this. >> dickerson: who is the leader of the democratic party right now? >> well, in the house it's nancy pelosi. in the senate it is chuck schumer. >> dickerson: and you're okay with that? you think people should look to them for guidance? >> i'm not into leaders. i am into building a movement which transforms this country and brings people together
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families. >> dickerson: don't follow leaders. the next question, donald trump has talked about infrastructure, spending a lot of money getting people working again. sounds like something you can sign on to. >> if it is sensible, absolutely. our infrastructure, roads, bridge, rail, collapsing. we could put millions of people to working. >> dickerson: when you say sensible. it sounds like he's willing to spend a lot of money. >> in general rebuilding our infrastructure is imperative for this country. >> drew: is there another area where you can find common ground? >> i am very proud, i have been a leader in opposition to disastrous trade agreements from first day i was in the congress. from the best of my knowledge, the ppp is now dead. i fought it. hillary clinton fought it. mr. trump is opposed to it. there is an area. creating a trade policy so corporate america in this country, not in china. we can work together on that. >> dickerson: senator sanders, we look forward to having you
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>> dickerson: some of our cbs stations are leaving us now, but for most of you, we'll be right back with a lot more of the results of the 2016 presidential election and what's next. that's next on "face the nation." stay with us. >> now that donald trump is the president-elect, he's going to do one big interview. where? >> "60 minutes." >> where else? "60 minutes" tonight.
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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. we're back with our politics panel, peggy noonan of the "wall street journal," michael gerson from the "washington post," jeffrey goldberg of "the atlantic" and "slate's" jamelle bouie. peggy, i want to start with you. tough election. the country is split. there are more people voting for health trump, but he's the president. what does donald trump do to address that situation? >> oh, it's probably always good to start out with a valujet banal yet truthful insight like a kind word, ratchet it down, be cool, be humble, be calm. i think a lot of people willing looking at the staff members and appointees he makes over the
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accomplished people who look like they can do this and are seen inherently moderate, or is it going to be a little more unusual than that? one of the things i think that we'll see over the next six months is that it's a mistake to discount the amount of pent-up energy there is in capitol hill on the republican side. they've got a house. they've got a senate. they haven't been able to do very much they haven't been able to move too many balls forward. i think there will be a lot of reason for a lot of people on the hill to want to work happily and closely with donald trump. and do big things such as newt gingrich was talking about, infrastructure, as everybody is. well, heck, do a big pow on that. take a serious look at taxes. do something big. >> dickerson: michael, is doing something big going to solve aftermath of this?
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are unhappy, but there are a number of republicans against donald trump who are nower in vs. and unsure. >> there is a split here. some of the trump coalition hates the republican establishment, and some of the coalition is the republican establishment. that's the way you have to run a government. so it's all sweetness and light until you start to pick personnel and start to make priority decisions on governing. some of that might be controversial things on executive orders, for example, with the dres. almost immediately. so, yeah, i think it's fine now. republicans are unified by victory and the prospect of 6,000 jobs, which is what the president fills. but i think we're going to see the fissures very soon in the source of the chief of staff. that will send the signal. are they for conciliation, or are they, you know, with their base? >> dickerson: jamelle, on the one hand you have the president
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and work with the new president, and on the other hand you have people marching in the street. where does that go from here? >> i think this gets to the question of what president trump can do to unify the country in the wake of this election. i think people marching in l.a., on college campuses around the country, aren't marching simply because trump was a print president. they're marching because the trump campaign was very much based on demagogic rhetoric black protest, against america's non-white community. in the wake of trump's elections, there have been reports of intimidation, harassment and violence against those very groups some if trump is serious about unifying the country, if this is a thing he wants to do, i think he needs to immediately speak against these acts of intimidation, harassment and violence that are happening to some degree in the name of the campaign he ran. >> dickerson: jeffrey, what's your take on that? newt gingrich said those charges are garbage. they're baloney.
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trump is now the president of the entire country. and if he were to speak to that, as jenelle suggests, what would that even look like? >> to unify what peggy is saying and what jamell is saying, i think, if there is a moment for him to speak to the country broadly, as president-elect, not as former reality tv star, it might be on this very question. he might do something large-hearted and articulate in a very specific way,ing i don't stand with the alt right. i affiliated with the k.k.k. because i believe i want to be the president of all americans. that would be the key signal to send that would actually calm the legitimate fears of a lot of people in america, citizens and people who are not yet citizens and certainly undocumented people that this is fundamentally different kind of presidency than anything we've seen before. that would be. >> that would be really, really good. >> and republicans have been waiting for that pivot for a
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practice or habits of a lifetime. and he's not been able to do so thus far. >> the great thing is that he's shocked now that he's president of the united states. that hour and a half he spent with president obama was a fairly shocking hour and a half for him for sure. and the pivot will come that he realize, i'm in the a reality tv star anymore. i have this job. >> two of the people in contention for chief of staff are priebus, the chairman of the r.n.c. i think if trump chooses steven bannon, who is known for his associations with the web site breitbart, which is a clearinghouse for these alt right group, that will give us a sign of the kind of president donald trump intends to be, in the sense he's not aiming for any kind of unity with america's non-white population. >> knock down the alt right,
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toward those who are understandably nervous or even paranoid, but also deal with the fact that some people on the other side of trump, some democrats, some liberals, progressive, some have become quite unhinged. i was in the middle of an anti-trump demonstration in manhattan yesterday, and it managed somehow to be smilingly enraged. they were having a good time, but they were enraged at the outcome of this election. sometimes people have to be is. there are outcomes sometimes that you don't like. and you can't simply assume the worst,, at a certain point you have to say, america you made a decision. we'll watch now and soon we will be judging. >> but it's hard when the worst people in the country are cheering, the people with the confederate flag, the people that do anti-semitism on twitter, that's difficult for a lot of people in this country. but, you know, i do think an
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healing. look at previous inaugurals back to thomas jefferson, healing divides, that's a moment where your goal is to bring together the country in a substantive way the say we're united by values and we're stronger than the things that divide us. that could be a moment. >> he may have to move sooner than that, though. that's january. >> i think part of the problem here is that trump's campaign wasn't a typical lower case d campaign in dock similar it was aer campaign that set out sort of explicitly that some people in this country aren't quite worth as much as other people in this country, and that's the core of the fear. that is the core of the paranoia if you want to call it that. that is what people are worried about. that needs to be resolved. >> 60 million people roughly who voted for donald trump, so many of them, they are just good, honest, decent, paint --
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system that it was broken and it needed something dramatic. they just backed something dramatic, and they hope it will work, but i understand the negativity that we have all seen,>but there is profound decency, too. but it's not marching in the streets. forgive me. >> dickerson: i wouldn't deny what you just said about most of the people that voted for trump. i would say to vote for trump was to overlook the fact that we're talking about someone with a record of misogany and racist invective, and so that is is troubling to a lot of people. that's what makes this election, among other things, very different than others. those good, decent people at least overlooked a very, very sorry record of prejudice. >> dickerson: let's switch to the democratic party and its challenges in the last couple minutes. what has the democratic party learned from this election. >> i think on a, thety cal level what the democratic party has learned is that it needs to win over some chunk or a greater
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turned. had health care won 50,000 more votes between pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin, she would be president of the united states. the question is how you go about that. i think the choice, the likely choice of keith ellison as head of the dnc, keith ellison, congressman of minnesota, african american, muslim american, but also a democratic labour party, a strong populist, is giving you a sense of where the party may go in this direction. a commitment to its multiculturalism, a commitment to social inclusion, also greater commitment to an economic populace that might be able to reach voters. >> drew: michael, what's your take? do they become the party of opposition? i remember mitch mcconnell saying that keeping barack obama to be a one-term president was his goal. is that the better organizing principal, or have the democrats really lost the team and need to sell something positive? >> well, they don't have a lot of will evers. they do wait for mistakes and wait for overreach, which often happens in new administrations. so i think they need to do this. but they do have a choice.
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left-wing economic populism. they have a biden model. much more outreach the white catholics and union workers and more traditional democratic constituency, or they have someone who can implement the obama model, the obama coalition, which health care tried and could not get out the votes to do. but the other candidate might be able to. this is the coalition. they are not yesterday ascended. they will eventually be ascended. i diamondback think that model is a amongst ago the subject at this table was the breakdown of the republican party, it is shattering, it is breaking in, two it's lost everything. >> also last week it was the discussion at this table. >> fair enough. now it has turned and we're talking about the breakup of the democratic party, there's no deep bench, they can't win here. they can't do this. they've lost here. the obama coalition didn't turn out. why working class doesn't like
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was evident to all of that. >> but they didn't go down that road. >> dickerson: unfortunately we have to go at this point, but we have a lot to talk about in future weeks. we look forward to having all of you here for that. we have to go for the moment. we'll be right back in a moment. f eyes on our wells every day. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. because safety is never being satisfied. whoa, this is awful, try it. oh no, that looks gross what is that? you gotta try it, it's terrible. i don't wanna try it if it's terrible. it's like mango chutney and burnt hair. no thank you, i have a very sensitive palate. just try it! guys, i think we should hurry up. if you taste something bad, you want someone else to try it. it's what you do. i can't get the taste out of my mouth! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do.
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the clinton campaign. erica brown followed senator tim kaine. chris christie and john kasich. jacqueline alemany was based in new hampshire and ohio. kylie atwood was based in iowa during the primaries and also covered senator bernie sanders. sean gallitz was embedded with senator marco rubio and then covered the battleground state of north carolina. and alan covered governor mike pence and jeb bush. err cash let me start with you, but i'll ask all of you question: if there is a story from the road, stl a moment for you that sticks out? >> there was a moment, and it was a personal moment. it was in new hampshire before the primary. there was a really bad snowstorm. the snow was accumulating so quickly, and i was driving. i got very nervous. as i was turning the corner and it seemed in slow motion, my car started to veer into a ditch. it got stuck. and there were five gentlemen riding in a tow truck who drove past me. they stopped, came back. they started digging out my car. and i immediately got out and i
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much this is going to cost me first before you continue because i don't know if i can afford this. and they said, you know, the cost is for you to do something nice for someone else. >> the thing that sticks out to me is the last day of the campaign, 8:00 at night, we just landed in manchester, new hampshire, mike pence gets on the p.a. system on the airplane, and he thanks the staff, he thanks the secret service, he thanks the airplane crew, and then he goes ahead and thanks the reporters r story of the vice presidential campaign. and then 20 minutes later we're in this rally with donald trump and mike pence, and donald trump comes on stage and calls us the most dishonest people. it could not be a more jarring experience. >> dickerson: what did you learn about this country, about who the voters are? >> i think most of the people i met covering hillary clinton at her events were true believers, but there were moments on the
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going to support her or who were not sure if they wanted to. when we went to west virginia, she had a very memorable exchange with a man who worked in a coal mine, and he had lost his job. i remember when he pulled up to that event there were a lot of trump supporters outside who were protesting. it was raining. they were still out there. they were waiting for her and they were angry. inside this plan told her, i represent those people outside. and i'm not sure how you can you're going to be our friend. and it was a really telling moment that i think held up in the end. >> dickerson: but you were in some pretty rough seas from time to time covering donald trump. >> what always struck me about trump rallies is they weren't rallies as much as they were concerts. he'd come on stage. you'd be in these am pi theaters, and it doesn't matter what venue, he'd always start out by saying, "wow. look at this crowd. it's record sending." it doesn't matter whether we
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thousand people outside waiting to step in. there almost was a... the people, i felt like trump supporters really wanted change, but a change back, not a change forward, which is kind of the make america great again, right? so i always felt there was a fear of the change that was happening in the country already, and they wanted to change it back. >> i think for me as i talked to people at the the different events, it was americans take politics very personally. i guess that was something that was new as a reporter who had covered politics more washington centric politics, if you will. but talking to people was my favorite part of this job, because they have stories they want to tell you. >> i think we all know it's been a divisive election. i had a week where i covered a bernie sanders event on wednesday, ted cruz on thursday,
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back to back. what i'll never forget, especially coming from a sanders campaign rally and a ted cruz rally, they weren't talking to the same country i felt like. there was no commonality in their messaging or what they were talking about. they were painting very different pictures, and i think we're seeing some of the aftereffects of that in some ways. >> drew: alan, you were with governor pence when the video comes out about donald trump on the bus with billy b those remarks. what was it like in those moments of... what happens to a campaign in that moment and how did the candidates respond? >> the reporters covering the campaign, it felt like the campaign was in a death grip. that day we went up to the rope line, and we asked mike pence, what's your reaction? what's your reaction? and he didn't respond. and then he just walked away. >> dickerson: hannah, was what was it like when the comey
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flying to cedar rapids the day that james comey letter came out saying he was looking at something new. we had in wifi on the plane. suddenly a reporter who somehow got a tweet or something came up on his phone, he's like, um, you know, have you seen this? and all the campaign disappeared into their cabin and consulted about it. when we landed, it was sort of unclear whether or not the candidate knew that this was happenin like it was a completely normal day. we went to the event. hillary clinton did the event. she didn't mention it at all. by the end of the day they responded pretty forcefully to comey and she had a little press conference and that was followed by press calls and press releases and all this, but it was really weird day. >> what was amazing to me amongst trump supporters is there were never any low moments despite the media narrative.
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parma hosted by a group of trump supporters after the lewd tape had come up, the "access hollywood" tape. people were cheering and hooting and hollering and walked away, donald trump blew us away, he won hands down, that's it. a completely different narrative. i don't think trump supporters lost faith once. >> no. and the most shocking moment for me on the campaign before a debate, i was along with small... the pool of reporters, we're going to get a five-minute photo onwith -- photo op can trump. my jaw just drops. >> there's a picture of it. i've seen that picture. >> it's trump with clinton
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misconduct. and you see... i'm on the live stream. donald trump is live streaming the reaction of the reporters as they're walking inch you can see me and you can see me walk in and go... it was truly one of the most shocking moments of the campaign or probably that i've ever seen. >> dickerson: we'll talk more about campaign 2016 with our
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>> dickerson: we're back with our campaign reporters talking about surprising moments on the campaign trail. >> i think the moment i got to play ski ball with ben carson was surprising. >> dickerson: and how is he as a ski ballplayer? >> i beat him by 3,000 points. a little in ski ball? >> that's in between. because dr. carson wasn't the most accessible in terms of getting beneath the surface. he would hold meetings often, but we never knew what it would be like him around him. off of the campaign trail to get a sense of what he was like at a person. >> when i first started this job, i pictured similar
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trump. i covered him since pretty much the beginning of his candidacy. a lot of his sure gaza city talk about there's this donald trump, a private donald trump, this charming, disarming guy that is not the combative person. i only saw the combative person. he never gave us any access. he never talked to us. he never... i would be surprised if he knew the names of anybody in iis traveling press. >> dickerson: why would anybody want to be an imbed? >> that gross you as a journalist. you get to interact with so many voters and learn about what makes this country unique, what makes people want to come here and what some of the concerns are with people who lived here and who have families here and who want to be constructive members of society. >> on top of that, being away from friends and family for a year and a half, you also learn a lot about yourself. >> the hardest thing i've ever done physically, emotionally,
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didn't think were possible. and you learn a lot about yourself and what you're actually capable of, whether you think you can stay awake for 36 straight hours and, you know, travel the way we did and everything else, but there's also the hotel points. >> and airline miles. >> that's not a bad perk. >> dickerson: the marriott. >> i i think it's... you are on the front lines of history in the most beautiful way. i mean, you see it, you e?t it, you live it, you breathe it. i never thought they would have such an understanding of like the fabric of america. >> drew: well, as someone who read all of your work and profited from it and also
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do, i couldn't have done it half as well as you all did, and we are incredibly grateful for your energy, for what you taught us and for the fact that you reminded us that there is joy in covering these races and this incredible american specious that is an election. there was not a lot of joy at times during this campaign, so thanks for bringing some of it back into our lives. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> dickerson: and we'll be
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>> dickerson: we want to say congratulations and thank you today to veteran cbs news correspondent bill plante. bill's career has taken him all over the world, to unprecedented heights and into the most powerful rooms in washington. as a young reporter he covered the civil rights movement, interviewing martin luther king during the historic march from selma to montgomery. and he covered every president
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obama. >> bill plante? no. bill's not here? that's shocking. >> dickerson: bill, it's hard for us to imagine cbs news without you. no one does it better, and you'll be missed. until next week for "face the nation," i'm john dickerson. >> the election has levitt the nation divided. so what's the president-elect going to do about it? find out in donald trump's only
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