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look a ride! (vo) made with the funnest peanuts ever! skippy. yippee!! this sunday counter terror raids have been launched across europe. whatever happened to the west's strategy to disrupt all of these radical islamist groups. as charlie heb"charlie hebdo" hits the streets, protests -- then there's mitt romney. he says maybe i will. and republicans say maybe you shouldn't. >> heaven knows i have experience running for president. >> the sour reaction to mitt 3.0. and we've seen it year after year. >> tonight i have the honor of responding to st state of the union address. >> can iowa's --
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>> i'm chuck todd and joining me are president obama's former white house press secretary. kelly o'donnell. carol lee of the wall street journal and michael steel, former chairman of the republican national committee. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> good morning. the shock waves of the paris terror attacks continue to be felt particularly in europe. muslims angry at "charlie hebdo" have taken to the streets across the world, churches torched and three people killed in the former french colony. there have also been anti-terror raids across europe and a number of countries including belgium. and my exclusive interview with
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the new editor of "charlie hebdo." >> reporter: all over europe police and counter terrorism officers have been raiding homes, making arrests and in one address in belgium exchanging heavy fire with suspected trysts who -- terrorists who were just about ready to launch an attack. they are being pulled in all at once in the wake of the terror attacks in paris. europe is stepping up its efforts to stop home grown terrorists and continuing to send jets to isis targets. the french parliament broke into a spontaneous national anthem. the fact is the u.s. is doing most of the bombing in syria and
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iraq. about five of every six sorties are conducted by american jets. >> we are putting them on the defensive and helping local forces in iraq push these terrorists back. >> reporter: are they on the defensive? there's another way to look at the paris attacks. >> things like that cost them almost nothing, but yet it creates a huge amount of fear and anger in the west. so for a very small investment they're able to have a big psychological effect. that's the way they are on the offensive and have the initiative. >> reporter: being bombed by the u.s. and its allies has elevated isis's status and upped its recruiting game. now they are telling their supporters in the west that they don't have to travel to syria and iraq to join the war. they can stay at home and find
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targets. "charlie hebdo" and the immense popularity of its most recent issue have enraged muslims around the world. at least three demonstrators were kill bided by police in niger. the slogan i am charlie meant to express solidarity and the french expression of speech is being understood in the muslim world as being against profit. that helps isis and other terrorist groups with a weapon that no jet can destroy, the weapon of propaganda. >> and this brings up a phrase that was very familiar during vietnam, hearts and minds. the fact of the matter is we kill a lot of leaders of this radicalist istist movement but we
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don't defeat the enemy. what is the next strategy and what should it be? >> i think there's a hearts and minds campaign internationally to try to convince the world yet again that by fighting isis the united states and other nations are not engaged in a wider war against islam supporting "charlie hebdo" worked what against that message. and then there is the very tactical message of degrading and destroying isis in syria and iraq. there has been some progress in iraq. military officials told me they do not believe there has been as much progress as some of the officials are claiming. just a few days ago turkish intelligence said in this country there are about e ling have been linked to isis. the numbers aren't going down. >> not at all.
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richard, thanks very much. it's been ten days since the horrific attacks on the magazine "charlie hebdo." i had an exclusive interview with its editor in chief. >> i was wondering if you could share with our audience if you could put into words the difficulty you had and the staff had in putting an issue out. >> well it's very complicated because we have all been enormously affected each in our own way. some of us were present during the at the tacktack. others arrived after the shooting. personal i was not in france. i was in london. those who experienced the attack each experienced it differently. some of the injured are still in
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serious condition. and then there are those who were present during the attack but who escaped injury. they are trying individually to understand why they escaped unharmed. they are also trying to process how they help the wounded. it is very difficult to process because when obviously feels an enormous relief to have escaped, mixed with a sense of guilty. >> i want to get into some of the criticism that the publication has received including from pope francis. and i want to get your response to the pope answering a reporter's question about the extent of freed of expression. the pope illustrated his point by describing what would happen if his personal vatican aide said something bad against his mother. and the pope said this. to kill in the name of god is an aberration. we have the obligation to say openly to have this liberty.
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if a good friend says a bad word against my mother then a punch awaits him. but it's normal. it's normal. one cannot provoke or insult others' faith. what do you say to the pope? >> every time that we draw a cartoon of mohammed every time we draw a cartoon of a prophet. god must not be a political figure. he must be a private figure. we defend the freed of relijom of religion. religion should not be a political argument. if faith, if religious arguments step into the political arena, it becomes a totalitarian
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argument. secularism guarantees democracy and assures peace. secularism allows all believers and all non-believers to live in peace. and that is what we defend. >> your line is you will attack any religion that is being used in your view for political reasons. but you don't attack people of a -- of a religious ethnic group? >> we have a problem when faith and religion become political. then we become worried and we attack. then we respond because we are convinced that religion has no place in the political arena because once religion injects itself into the political debate the political debate
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becomes totalitarian. >> i'm curious of your reaction. many news organization including our own, have not shown your cover completely either blurred out. and it's a decision we made editorially. no government told us to do anything. but it was a decision we made. and every news organization is making their own decision. what are your reaction to our decision and others who have chosen not to show your cover? >> listen we cannot blame newspapers that already suffer much difficulty in getting published and distributed in totalitarian regimes to public newspapers that could cost them at best jail and at worst death. on the other hand i am cite critical of newspapers which are published in democratic countries. this is a symbol.
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it's a symbol of freedom of speech of freedom of religion of democracy, of secularism. when they refuse to publish this cartoon, they insult the citizenship. >> do you feel like you're part of the this war that's taking place in the western world that's taking place between some radical islamists? >> we did not kill anyone. we must stop conflating the murderers and the victims. they are throwing gas on the fire. we must not place thinkers and
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artists in the same category as murderers murderers. we are not warriors. we only defend one thing, freedom, our freedom, secularism secularism freedom of conscience and democracy. >> i appreciate you coming on "meet the press." i know this is not an easy time. and i know you're still mourning many of your friends. so my con doll ensdolencescondolences. >> it's interesting debate that goes on in france. and some of this interview we left on the cutting room floor for time and franceulation andtranslation and things like this. when you worked for president obama and the administration if a religious leader in this country appeared to be inciting
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muslims, including the pastor that was burning the koran, you guys were aggressive in stopping him from doing that. that of course would have been totally frowned upon in france. >> i think one of the things that we're going to have to do is show to the more than billion muslims in the world that we're not at war with their religion. we are at war with people that take the believes of that religion and bastardize them to the point that justifies killing. i think you talked about hearts and minds. we are going to have to have a greater effort on counter radicalization to let people know in this world that they have an outlet for frustration that doesn't include either joining an army in syria or training in their home country to attack somebody who doesn't believe what they believe. >> there's going to be a lot of
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folk that is watch that and realize -- who were very supportive of wanting to stand by "charlie hebdo" and realize they're no friend of religion. and i wonder if there are going to be a lot of americans going that's some harsh stuff they would do against catholics and evangelicals. >> people do get uncomfortable and they are really struggling with trying to be supportive of the victims, but as people learn more about the publication, it doesn't always feel comfortable for them to support some of the ideas. we can see if you just interpret some of their artwork and put it against your own religion how would you feel? i think americans do want to show support for freed domom of expression. >> michael steel, your party, there's a big religious core to your party. >> very much so. >> if that publication for over
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here he's basically saying he would be totally mocking anybody that uses religion in politics. >> it would be a real problem. a lot of the grass roots evangelicals out there with respect to the sense of attack on them personally. it's a real balancing act between what both of you just said that feeling of expression and wanting to be free to do that and then the personal feeling i have when you express. i think a lot of evangelicals in this country would rise up and make a lot of noise. there would be a lot of protests against a publication like that. >> congress has one take and they want to see, i think, a more aggressive -- particularly republicans in congress. the president seems to be wanting to walk a line here.
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>> yeah. there's a couple things. it's interesting to see the white house's response to this particular new cover of "charlie hebdo." and when the original cartoons had come out, they were very critical about them doing that. and now you see the white house press secretary this week saying that it was a poignant cover. so that's different. and they eesh're trying to figure out how to balance in the wake of the at the tackstacks that robert was talking about. they won't say radical islamists. they won't say war on terror. they're trying to figure out how to talk about this. as you mentioned, they have this congress and mr.in particular republicans who want them to be more aggressive about it. >> all they're hearing is
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jerusalem by lindsey graham, republican senator for south carolina, spent the last few days traveling in the middle east has visited saudi arabia, qatar, prior to arriving in israel today. senator graham welcome back to "meet the press." let me start with a basic question that i've been hearing from a lot of folks over the last 14 years, the policy of going after these terrorist groups has been to disrupt, dismantle and destroy george w. bush's policy promise, president obama's. 14 years we killed a lot of people, but we have not defeated this enemy. why? >> well, once you liberate a country like iraq, and you don't have a force, they fill in the gaps. syria is a failed state. the civil war in syria basically broke the country apart. and only thing i can say is you have to deny the enemy's safe haven, withdrawing from iraq prematurely was a mistake. not supporting the free syrian
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army three or four years ago was a mistake. you have to stay after these guys. >> are you advocating more troops in a place like syria now, more troops potentially? is it yemen we need to do? what is the answer now? we want to debate about some of the things in the past about iraq, but what is the answer now? >> well, the answer now is to deny isil the safe haven they enjoy in syria and iraq because it is a platform to strike the united states. there are more paris' coming until you disrupt the -- there are more terrorist organizations, more safe havens with more capability to hit home than before 9/11. the answer is the former regional coalition america has to be part of it go in on the ground and get these guys out of syria. the current strategy is failing. everybody has told us on this trip that if you don't have a no fly zone the people who are training the free syrian army we're training is going to go back into syria and get
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slaughtered by assad. there is no reason to be successful on the ground without neutralizing assad's air advantage. and so we need a no fly zone desperately. >> what you to fell a country that is war weary? >> fight them over there or they're coming back here. you got to show the ability to stay with it. you try to get partners, free syrian army would be a good partner. they have been punished pretty hard by assad and isil. it is in our national security interest to deny them a safe haven. when it comes to iraq, let's get it right this time. >> the most vicious islamic -- radical islamic group might be in nigeria. you didn't bring it up. a lot of people don't bring it up until it is -- boko haram slaughtered thousands in the same week that 17 people were killed in paris. should the united states be doing more in nigeria? other countrys? what is the answer there? >> i think we should be doing more but boko haram doesn't
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represent the threat to the homeland in my view that isil does and al nusra and other groups in syria and iraq. but this problem is spreading throughout the world. the next stage of the fight i think is africa. but if we could show some resolve in syria and iraq and reset the table and go after these guys in syria and iraq with success, i think it would change the landscape throughout the world. success anywhere breeds success everywhere, fair in any one spot hurts you everywhere, but you're right, 2,000 people were killed in one weekend in nigeria and the world basically ignored the story. >> let's move to iran. let me play what the president said in pushing back at congress' attempt to apply more sanctions before the negotiations are done with iran. here's what he said. >> my main message to congress at this point is just hold your fire. nobody around the world, least of all the iranians doubt my ability to get some sanctions passed should the negotiations
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fail. that's not a hard vote for me to get through congress. >> why not wait? >> i think we're trying to tell the iranians we would like a political negotiation a diplomatic solution, but please understand in iran that the congress' intent on reapplying sanctions if you walk away from the negotiating table, and if you cheat. i don't think that's a disruptive message. all we're telling the iranians, if you walk away from the negotiations, sanctions will be reapplied. if you cheat, they will be reimposed. but me just say this, i'm willing to forgo sanctions, chuck if the president will take any deal he negotiate and brings it congress for our approval. if he thinks sanctions is disruptive to a good outcome, i'm willing to forgo that vote with the understanding that any daily negotiates will come to the congress for our approval or disapproval as a check and balance. >> i want to follow up on two other things very quickly. last week you said something
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pretty provocativevoluntary provocative. campaign promises are getting a lot of people killed. is that proper rhetoric? you think the president of the united states is getting people killed? >> i think his policies are getting people killed. i think sound military advice was given to the president to leave a residual force in iraq and he turned it down. as a result, iraq has collapsed. his entire national security team suggested three or four years ago to create a no fly zone and train the free syrian army while it mattered. almost 3,000 people killed in syria on his watch. syria, the worst has yet to come. lebanon, and jordan have closed their borders. where do the people in syria, where do they go now? hell on earth is about to descend upon syria and it matters to us. the safe havens in jordan and syria and iraq isil and other terrorist groups are a direct threat to the united states.
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letting people out of gitmo in this environment i think is irresponsible. so, yes, his campaign promises should be adjusted based on reality. >> and final question, john mccain when he was asked about mitt romney running for president, he talked about his illegitimate son running for president referring to you. where are you on this? i hear you're polling now to test your ability to run for president. >> we're not polling, but we set up a testing the waters committee under the irs code that would allow me to look beyond south carolina as to whether or not a guy like lindsey graham has a viable path. the good news is i guess i'm in john's will and i can get part of the estate, but i don't know where this will go but i'm definitely going to look at it. i think the world is falling apart and i've been more right than wrong when it comes to foreign policy. but we'll see. >> we'll check with cyndi mccain to see if you're in that will. senator graham from jerusalem, stay safe while traveling overseas, sir. thank you very much. coming up why republicans
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well, you know the saying, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. well for some time quite a few republicans, particularly rich ones, suggested that's exactly what mitt romney ought to do. make a third run at the white house. well, surprise, romney seemed to warm to the idea as he was meeting with donors. and then surprise again a lot of those same republicans got cold feet. very cold feet. on friday night, romney addressed this issue head on. well sort of. >> in last few days, the most frequently asked question i get is what does ann think about all of this? and she believes that people get better with experience. heaven knows i have experience
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running for president. >> mitt romney trying to persuade republicans that the third time's the charm suggests that if he runs again he'll be running a different kind of campaign. >> under president obama, the rich have gotten richer income inequality has gotten worse and more people are in poverty in america than ever before. >> but romney's evolution on 2016 from no no no, no no -- >> i'm not ronald reagan, i think that's been pointed out to me before, and i'm not running for president. the answer is no. i'm not running for -- i'm not running. i'm not running for president. i said that so many times. >> to romney 3.0 has been lampooned by late night. >> mitt romney is reportedly considering running for president in 2016. in a related story, charlie brown is planning on finally kicking that football. >> never a good sign when you have to start your speech with hear me out. >> relished by democrats -- >> i have no comment. >> and panned by some in his own
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party. >> i feel like i'm taking crazy pills at the idea of mitt romney running again. i think it is a terrible idea. >> the wall street journal quipped if mitt romney is the answer, what is the question? and the paper's owner rupert murdoch more blunt he had his chance, he mishandled it, you know? i thought romney was a terrible candidate. even former supporters are trying to squelch the idea that anybody is drafting romney. >> governor romney had two increasingly good years after losing the presidency and now he's had one pretty bad week. >> potential opponents are already taking jabs. >> honestly, we wornt successfuleren't successful and you have to ask why. >> john mccain or mitt romney, the result over and over again is we lose. >> i think it is pretty hard to make an argument about going forward when you're talking about ideas from the past. >> but elections are supposed to be about the future, 2016 is turning into the year of the political rerun. the fathers of mitt romney and jeb bush once served together in
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richard nixon's cabinet. now supporters of one dynasty are attacking the other. >> three times a bush i'm not sure that's the right formula. >> what does it mean for the dynasty in democratic politics? under pressure from the populist wing of the party led by elizabeth warren, hillary clinton took on a new fight friday tweeting, attacking financial reform is risky and wrong. better for congress to focus on jobs and wages for middle class families. a hint that clinton is eager to prove to democrats that she is thinking about tomorrow. well, mitt romney 3.0, kelly o'donnell you have been traveling, you covered chris christie's state of the state he's somebody that probably is not happy about mitt romney thinking about this. this is not playing well in the establishment wing of the party, is it? >> you got a case where mitt romney has been hearing from people who have been his loyal supporters and donors, who are mixed with nostalgia and respect, telling him you would
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have made a great president. that's very different than actually doing it again. at the same time, i talked to a number of people close to him, not convinced he's going to do it, but when he joked about experience, i'm told that he really believed he would be a better candidate. and that by the time people actually vote nobody will be a fresh face. and so then it becomes a choice between what romney has to offer and what other candidates have to offer. >> michael steele, i mean, the reviews and they're coming from former supporters or former people that maybe agree with him, peggy noonan wrote yesterday, mitt romney is a smart, nice and accomplished man who thinks himself clever and politically insightful. he is not and will not become so. he should devote himself to supporting and not attempting to lead the party that raised him so high. there is no such thing, she said as romneyism. couldn't figure out what it was other than mitt romney trying to finally succeed. >> and that is a huge problem. the question i've been hearing since all of this started to break was so how is this going to be different from four years ago or eight years ago?
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and he has not -- i don't think he'll be able to successfully answer that question for a face that wants the white house to complement the house and the senate and they're looking not just at a marco rubio or a rand paul, but they also got governors who are going to come online. you're talking about you know, having a scott walker on the stage with, you know, governor jeb bush has been out 12 years and a governor you know, who has been out for eight. >> carol and robert, presidential elections are about the future, never about the past. in 2007, hillary clinton and mitt romney running for president. here is what other presidential candidates were doing. marco rubio, florida house speaker. ted cruz the solicitor general of the state of texas. scott walker, the county executive in milwaukee. elizabeth warren, simply a harvard professor. rand paul, an ophthalmologist. it is eight years away, and it is like, you know, fresh face. >> yeah. and elections as you said, are about the future and when you have a lineup that includes the
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bush/clinton/romney, it is like -- >> even a paul. i mean, let's not forget paul. >> back to the future. you have this clamoring on both sides frankly on either end for something new. and probably not going to get that on the democratic side but certainly on -- >> you guys successfully prosecuted the we're fresh in 2007 clintons are part of the past. hillary clinton has a -- how does she not get sucked into this vortex. romney created this story line now of oh my god it is romney huckabee, bush it is clinton. like she gets sucked into that vortex. how does she avoid it? >> i don't think democrats believe the nostalgia for clinton ends with tragic losses in two different presidential campaigns. i believe they believe her resume as secretary of state is something that lifts her up. i think -- >> do you believe that? >> i do. look i think if you're mitt romney there isn't one negative that you had in either 2008 or
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2012 that you in any way mitigated leading into 2016. there is no reason to believe that 3.0 is going to be any different than 2.0. i think hillary clinton quietly had a very good week bringing in people like john podesta people like joe bennett who will be different actors in a presidential campaign and have the potential to change the outcome because the infighting will be less, because the characters will be different. >> and it is all obama. >> third term. >> any president -- anybody that runs on the democratic side and hillary clinton will almost certainly be the nominee will agree some with the president and disagree some with the president as it has to be. this is not going to be the third obama term and the pressure will be on her quite frankly not to be the third obama term or the third bill clinton term. >> exactly. all right. we'll pause it there. i wonder if mitt romney has gone out too far because pulling back
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>> you know my photographer kristen and i, we were driving around here and a lot of drivers, they are pulling up to us rolling down their windows and asking how am i going to get away from this and how am i going to get back to philadelphia and we're saying you are going to have to take a lot of time and you are going to have to be careful, but right now, 76 is definitely the place to avoid. we're going to stay out here and try to get some new information, but again this deadly crash at 76 the investigation under way the clean up is still under way as well and could be for quite a
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while longer. >> 76 that we're watching. we're keeping an eye on all of the roads in our region. we've had a few accidents in montgomery county. you heard matt tell us and we've got a lot of slush out there. but it doesn't look like it's bad, but it is. cell phone video that came into our newsroom. cars couldn't move on. they are on the side of the road. if you are heading outside, don't. >> it's been a scary situation this morning. if we take a closer look at some of the photos that we're getting from video, this one was sent frommee an black ice and a pole don't mix very well. lots of folks sliding out with
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black ice. it's oftentimes too hard to see it. this is from monique braxton and it shoeds there was a closure here on the ben franklin bridge icy conditions and then another spin-out, another accident. lots of pile hupds here -- pile-ups on a lot of our local interstates. this is a messy start to the sunday morning. also very dangerous. this was up loaded. scarysest -- scariest moment of my life. happy to walk away live. this is a situation we'll continue to monitor. we'll have a freezing rain advisory into effect until 1:00 p.m. we're waiting for our temperatures to warm up above freezing. it's very difficult. this is another good picture uploaded from samantha clampsy. another bus into a tree.
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this isn't the smaller cars having a difficult time. we've seen public buses going off the roads into the trees. if you can stay at home this morning and allow a few extra hours before you walk outside, that's probably best. >> thank you, brittany. the idea is once the temperature rises and the ice melts, it will be a little bit safer to get out of here. not at this moment though. here's that picture at 76 west. again, it is just a mess out there. it is backed up. one person died in this crash and we know at least 15 other people had to go to the hospital. we're learning from the hospital that they received 15 passengers or drivers just from this accident scene and other hospitals in our area, they have been taking in drivers who have been getting into some fender benders, getting into some accidents out there in the road. we want to show you some video of what's happening in the southern part of our area. this is a very different picture
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than what's happening in philadelphia and even north and west of the city. this is video that came to us from our jersey shore bureau. it's wet out there on the roads. the temperature is warm. this is the black horse pike. temperature down there is in the mid to upper 40s. they are not dealing with those frozen surfaces that we are seeing in other parts of the area. take a look at this. you heard brittany mention it a short time ago about bus drivers having some trouble. this is an accident from earlier this morning, this is in philadelphia's west oak lane avenue. no passengers on the bus at this time. earlier today, the bus service was suspended the driver in this case is doing okay but creating some difficult conditions out there on the roads. our meteorologist has been watching the first alert radar has been check ong the cameras and sheena, i have to say that the best word to describe this
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is deceiving. you go outside, it looks like nothing, but it's not the case. >> freezing rain is usually is. it does rain falling outside but freezing on contact. it doesn't have to be extremely cold outside. rain started moving in very early this morning before sunrise. temperatures were below freezing. we've been seeing ice all over the area this morning around philadelphia and around areas north and west. now, we're seeing a transition. now it's becoming rain. we have ice and now we have heavy rain moving in. we'll go into parts of lower montgomery county. our icy spots are slowly shrinking here. we are seeing rain falling but still some icy spots mixing in. lehigh valley we see icy conditions through the
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allentown area you do not want to be on the roads with this type of ice. it's very deceiving. black ice, you can't tell where it is. upper bucks county we have some heavy rain possibly some icy spots mixed in with temperatures there at or above freezing. lower bucks county icy spots, along burlington county i-95 corridor this is rain but remember early this morning, whether you were sleeping or not, we had freezing rain falling around the philadelphia area and the i-95 corridor. this led to icy roads. some of this ice could still be out there and turning to slush which make for very slippery dangerous travel. that is why we're urging not to be driving in this. this is heavy rain in chester county. our concern is localized flooding.
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looking to our south and west. with heavy rain on top of the ice in the creeks this could be flooding localized condition. south jersey still dealing with that steady rainfall. we know that the rain is also dangerous to drive in. take a look at these temperatures though we are climbing above freezing in philadelphia. chester springs, you are still at freezing. 32 degrees. we could still be seeing icy spots here. now we look in the lehigh valley we still have ice on the roadways. we still have rain falling from the sky but freezing on contact with the surface of the road. it may not be freezing on the windshield but it's freezing where you are driving and walking on. none of these areas have gotten above freezing yet. 30 in redding, ice is in areas north and west of philadelphia. right now, though along the
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shore and delaware, we have temperatures well above freezing. it is a first alert weather day. we have ice for much of the area. it's north and west of philadelphia. dangerous driving heavy rain moving in, localized flooding possibly. we have ponding of the water on the roadways. freezing rain still occurring north and west. this is where most of the ice is right now and this is again dangerous travel. we urge you not to be driving in this. we have numerous accidents for a sunday morning of all times with this rain moving in so early as temperatures were below freezing, so at this point we've had fatalities reported accidents reported. we want to tell you to stay inside. it's a first alert weather day. it's one thing we'll be watching through the rest of this morning. if you are in the lehigh valley i would not expect safe driving conditions until later today because we still have that rain
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to get through. >> in addition to the temperatures, we've been monitoring the roads. jillian mele has been staying on top of the accidents and backups in our area. what are you seeing right now? >> we still to watch the two biggest problems of the morning. two fatal accidents. one on 76. this is a live view of the accident on 76. it is block off right at gulf mills. matt has been out there reporting live from the scene. what are you seeing right now is drivers who want to take 76 but they can't. they want to take the blue route but they can't. we'll take you back up to the traffic camera right now. we'll show you what's going live on the expressway. we've been dealing with a multivehicle pile-up accident that happened hours ago. that clean-up is still being done. there's a lot to do. th
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