. the candidates for philadelphia mayor, answering the importa questions, education, where is the money, the future ofq philly's work force, and fixing your taxes. comcast, the greater philadelphia chamber of commerce, and nbc 10 present, the 2015 debate for philadelphia mayor. >> and williamñi to our live on broad street in center city. i'm nbc 10'se1 jim rosenfeld, this is our homeok for tonight's debate for philadelphia mayor. you know we are six weeks away from a primary election that will play a key role in thefá future of our e1city. and we are so pleased tonight to havee1 all six democratic candidates in the race here with us on stage. alphabetical order from left to right starting with former

district attorney lynne ape abraham. the former p kenney kenney. the former vice president of margareting and communications for e1pgw, doug oifrlt.otr(t&háhp &hc rmer state senator milton jf street. andt( curren.3 state in senator, anthony williams. quickñi reminder,82tu┐3uz onee1 minute to answer each question. we will begin with this. i think all of you would agree that education is really a key issue in this election. the $84 million budget shortfall is a cloudlp hanging over our city and over the education system. as you may know mayor nutter has proposed a 9.3% property tax( that your q solution?4$@- and if not, where would you find the money. let's start with you lynne abraham. >> thank you, jim. and thanks to nbc 10.

i believe in a the recommendation of our mayor -úq we put anotherçó ñgoçñr9.3% tax on real estat] is really regressive, and it hurts the people that most need to hold on to their dollars. i think i have urged city council to take up thejf issue of school funding before the may primary, but unfortunately, they did not. i do believe that our governor help with the issues of school funding and he proposes a percentage of real estate tax that will be much lower. so the mayor is proposing a real estate tax higher, and the jju"jijrjçó proposing a real estate tax lower. >> where would you find the one is convene a group of ,y 'e been talking about and thinking about taxes for a very long timeñi to have a rational and fair tax policy so that we can have a recurring and always available tax base for us to pay for our r schools, to make surexd that our people have adequate coverage in

everyñi aspect of education, and make sure that ouri] children have a relentless he had voekt in education by me as their mayor. >> i don't hear any dollar figures or any percentages. >> well, i think that the issue of percentage is a little premature. weó[ know that we have to have to put -- at least i'd recommend at least $20 million into early childhood education. that i think we will have -- if dqk"tuqz the kinds of thinking5a about how we save tax dollars, how we trim our government, and how we can save andçóñit( qgst those monies back into the school system by for exampleok raising thecxd use on occupancy tax and key coupling other taxes and making sure that we have ao$q%=9 rnor gets from the legislature and then we'll see what kinds of monies we need to rb!

proposal? if not, where would you6z fine the 4' money. >> no, i do not agree with e1it. i would look at what's best for the children. what's best for the children ise1 to have a fullyxd fundsed program. i#i you look at my website you will see that i have an that eight-point proposalr includes the $108..5 million that

collected. all of those properties will give us an opportunity to collect another $75 million.x+oç if you look at the website, you will seet( point by point what i'm doing in this time period. i can't give you all÷d of the items. >> all right. jim kenney do you agree with the mayor's proposal? >>e1 no. i would say at thefá outset i the choice was the schools needed to close or weq needed the extra money. but i don't think that thesn d that we should be doing a tax increase again. there are places in the government where we can get this. zero jfbased budgeting works well. it savedfá 3% a year and we can do it in philadelphia building from the bottom and note1 from the top down. i think we can do a procurement process, it is a live on timee1 xd auction, it's not a closed bier where peopleñi open the bid on one day and city around and compete with eachrother forq the city

work. >> you can accomplish tphat in one year go through the entire city budget? >> wex+oç budgeted for a 2% savings. montgomery county was at 3%. and at 2% which is conservative we can hit that number. i thinke1 commercialized liens -- not liens where people are put out of their homes, but securitization ofçó liens could also bring in $40 million. >> that's a one time thing. and yoeng ifn't want to get rid of theñi taxñi abatement. i like it it has done well. but the land thati] theñr beta properties were built on were sorely reassessed.lp if we can reassess theland we can raise perhaps another 15 to 20 million. that's recurring number. i also want to see what the governor is going to do. and i think he will be successful in bringing some dollars back to the city. so let's wait. k"t how about you, doug oliver?

do you agree with the 9% real estate tax t(increase. >> i would ratherok starte1 where we agree. we agree that editionok isñró[ paramount. before we get to a conversation of raising taxes we have to expíope any number of other options, some of which are recurring funds, some of which areçó oneçó time. i believe we havergovernor who is committed to doing the safe. we are hopeful of getting money that comes from the state.3 o he is willing to make sacrific=hr(t&háhp &hc order do that. it is the role5a] of the mayor to support him in that. i think we can look at payments from our secondaryó[education and nonprofit institutions but are sometimes run like privatexd >> they fought against that. >> again, it doesn't have to be payments. it had beenozservices. at the enhd of the day we are trying to have a school system that works. sometimes it is a mou ñ issue.

sometime it is a management or curriculum issue. we need to anything your out which is which. before we raise taxes, let's explore that option look atnb all theçó delinquent taxes that haven't been paid and altho'-" that is one time money there are other ways of generating money by keeping the cityi] closed after 2 p.m.w3 could be revisited and viewed as a way of generating money for our school street. >> milton street do you agree with the mayor'sq proposal? >> no. and many shall perish for lack of knowledge. money. >> whatzhkppens is we don't go to the very basic. we have to look atxdñ -- we h le a minority schooling jfsystem 75,000mfblacks 25,000 hispanics and q19,000 caucasians and others. you have a minority school that you have to raise taxes, and minorities owe very little bit in taxes.t( what you need .ke

slation. i made that this speech 32 years ago in harrisburg when we were $20 million definite simpson. i framed the piece of legislati/:ó(p&led video bingo before we ever hadçóxd gambling that would have raid $100,000w9 the low sq $300,000 on the high side that would have been dedicated tone school district.ua" cf1 o the philadelphia legislators beat that down. okay? so we have to understandlp basically that you are never going to fund philadelphia schools from taxes. tsyurj out. forget it.q minorities don't own enough real estate or enough anything to have enoughx(ía here would you find those dollarsg >> independent funding source. i would have to harrisburg. i would use my experience ine1 harrisburg. and i would getq enabling legislation that would allow us to raise enough money to fund our schools with the help of harrisburg with the minimum

+ e5utt)qv give to us fund our schools. and i wouldn't tax cigarettes. >> thank you. senator wc u agree withçthe mayor's proposal? if not, where would you find the money? >> i don't. i don't know anyone has kmenltded. but actually the mayor's proposal exceeds the necessity toq raise the $80 million. what he has proposed is well above $80 qsr&lion. that's the first part. the second is the governor has the weighted funding formula part of the okconversation. the fund of the using of municipal assets is not a one actually the one timerbearing of funds closes the gap in oury1 city paying down our pension obligations brings out money. in addition to that it añillows us to use theçó general fund so we schoolsko appropriately. i also say this in closing. enabling legislation is exactly>x ot sure how you don't want -- you want enabling

legislation but not a cigarette tax. that i brought him and also the 1% sales taxok are aly1i]q enabling legislation -- >> ladies and gentlemen, we're going to pause for a quick break. and we'll be rigp(

erage for the debates for philadelphia mayor. we paused there, because, ok unfortunately, one ofrour xd candidates lynne abraham fell ill. she is not feeling well. she has stepped back. she is resting now. she is going to be okay. age for noa we are going to continue on with our remaining candidates. unforeseen and e1unfortunate. weñr continue for your patients during thhd period. senator roberts, you were

talking about your thoughts regarding funding for education. >> the audience is hoping that the district attorney is one tough cookie. and3w i think it's most appropriate that people recognize we are not invincible in terms of this activity. i'm sure she will be fine. and most appropriately we are all cheering for her today collectively. the last thing i was bringing upe1 was the issue of tax increases. i think people need to remember this the t(councilman mentioned thet(jfq fact t/i+ he would change the abatement process. e÷ he raised thervalue of the property, is in fact a tax many thin%1 thet(fá abatement process worksñi effectively. you need to recognize the consequences to that is significant to businesses who have thrived andxd drivenxd all those towers across philadelphia

process. >> we asked viewers to weigh inçó on some of these concerns on our nbc 10 app.e1 rachel ° because of it. and also our partners at the philadelphia chamber of commerce say the wage taxçót( and the abatement taxt( really are stifling growth. as mayor we want to know, which taxes will you work to reform or lower? let's start withjf fáyou, mr. diaz. >> i agree with that comment. theçó regressiveness of the business taxes and the waste taxesw3 deny us the opportunity to grow our economy n. philadelphia, 66% of the city budget is made upok ofq those tax when only 16% is made up of the real estate taxes.

what we need to doñsxjuáq'tially is what other cities 34% of the real estate taxesw3q makes up the budget of thexd city. we need to be able to have a ñi reform with regard to those taxes and begin to tax the commercial properties in a way in which we eliminate the business tax, try to essentiallyçó reform thejf tax that the uniform constitution hasfb e if we don'te1 start that we are going to continue to lose the city from businesses andlp business opportunities. this is what you havexd to do. what most cities do. you go across the city line and people don't have to pay the 4% wage tax. >> councilman. >> i think to be an effective mayor, you need to have balance. to say you are going to get rid the wage tax entirely or knock a point off in four years, you better be prepared to limit services. people won't be happy living in a city with no services. we have been reducing services.

when wage and business taxes were goingxd down in small a%w+9qm but we are going in the right direction. i think as the economy gets better and we have more moneyó7! toçó file into tax reduction based on the level of services that we offer our citizens i think we can accelerate our tax deductions that way. i think we should look at the uniformity cause fromq harrisburg. three or four çóyears. that's not an immediateó[ thing. and that's?; fine. we should still pursue it. i think you have got to continue to balance service levels and tax lpcuts. >> it doesn't sound like you want to lowe$ñ the wage tax. >> we have been lowering it it's down about aó[ point. and itxd further needs to bm?7 lowered. but if you are going to knock a ñ four years, i don't see it unlesshafuz economy growsçó to such a agree that you can put back in the dollars. >> i think we have taxed ourselves into oblivion here in

the city of philadelphia. we have no less than two different tax reform commissions that have occurred over the last decade. we studied it and we studied it and we just haven't implemented it. we know thate1 business aren't coming here becausee1 we are c uncompetitive, that we tax the thingu esses through regressive business taxes. we knowrthat we have undervalued proper4x roperty taxes. i appreciate the vision doing dollar for dollar increase in business and wage with a dollar for dollar increase in property. at the end of the day we can talk about it. we can talkes.ñ about and it talk about it. and we have. but also we address it we are going to have difficulty attracting businesses tot( our communities. it's not just the taxes that prevent the businesses from coming it's also our schools. hopefully we will havee1 an opportunity to talk about the

role that education plays in attractingq businesses to the city. >> milton street. >> i have about 5,000 people in my community tht if you give them a job they would be glad to pay wage t(taxes. what welpjf need to do -- as mayor of the you areq not goingñ.' to be able to correct everything. that's a job to give to the city the city controller is supposed to handle that bring back recommend dapgss and deal with that. do you know how many years we have been haggling andxd fuss-6e and fighting over the wage tax? it's just something that goes on and on az÷ on and on. create some jobs. >> senator williams?e1 >> we have been hackel elhaggling about the wage tax for a long time. 40% of our tax is levied around the wage tax. only city in, he ma. which stays if you are on the edge you are able to move w[/ñand. so it does not work. yes, we have to dramatically cut that wage tax to bring al qaeda

people back to philadelphia. it is not a fairy tale for people to understand the energy hub that we talked aboute1 will drive people back to philadelphia. we have to spread this acrossh the wage tax áhe one thing that peoplei]e1 talkt(q about consistent three will allow hymn them to stay in philadelphia or move back to philadelphia. the question sçi is it the chicken or the sneg i g)w a business guy i understand that you have to invest beforeñpvá @&háhp &hc% can have an economy that's growing. the bottom line is someonewo/ has to talk about a growth strategy for philadelphia. you can't raise taxes or cut programs anymore.e1 you have to have a plan to grow an economy. and i have one. the work force really is changing here in philadelphia. you know right now, is in the midstq of building a huge tower in our city. the innovation and technology center just down the block.q they are going to need highly skilled workers to fill that building. how would you as mayorxd ensure that those highly skilled workers don't go to some other

city instead? let's starté@ñi with you ór,ñi oliver. jumped around in the order. >?"keepsqçó it interesting. >> fair enough. i think onexd of thele changes --lp i'll+ segue with education once again. we have got an agricultural model here that says kids need to be [ of school byçó 2:00 p.m. so they can be in the fieldq with their parents. we have got curriculumñr g q" around mrn umanufacturing. so we teach to the test focus on theo7o standardized testingx#áz indians kids don't have to think or learn how to learn. the reality is?; that the environment they are going to need to be prepared for is totally different than everything we are+ preparing them for right now. when wet( talk about having ançó educated work cforc+t we have to start by thinking what 9e those jobs we are preparing them for? frankly we don't know what someçó of those jobs are. i had the ability at netxd fab, a new start-upxd company here in ther

th áhp &hc future are minds boggling and the impact on cities and how efficient we are is absolutely mindxdt( bogglings. we need to prepare our city for those -- we have to start with ñ?aq! at as early as e1prek. >> mr. street? philadelphia you are gcnking about? from south street to vine street and river to river. or the phila/-ophia out in the the community out where i p)live kout in kensington out in southwest philadelphia? are you talking about creating jobs in that community? there are two reasons why people andrbusinesses won't come and one is -- and thet( inability to hire a productive work force. and the second one is crime. high t(crime. so when you aree1 talking about force in philadelphia you have to stop crime._

yourcan't havejf people walking a dog getting shot dead.e1 you can'tfáq have pregnant women sitting down and getting shot dead. you can't have three-year-olds sitting on the steps, getting shot deadrnmndead.q school. until you dot( somethingn:m about that crime then your philadelphia is restricted in its growth.e1 it won't go out into the community where we actually need the jobs. and i have more to say about that but the red lightxd is on. >> thank you for respectingw3 your time. senator williams? >> i think that we need to fabt reality, that we are notlp training our students who are graduating from public schools that align with where the jobs are. and so i wouldjf propose that we extend the high school experience about two years, take the millionst( of dollars we are spending on jobe1 training currently and wasting it down a toilet that doesn't align with a job experience. so if you want to have them build a building work ine1 the building or be an entrepreneur that's a line they are experience or their education

should lead to as it used to with what jobs are here.fáq the tech community, the qt(biolife community are underpopulated with skilled employees. if wexd simply extent the high school experience by two years align the money so public money or community college can certify those students you will change the poverty index in philadelphia change neighborhoods in philadelphia and most importantly, they will stay here in philadelphia. >> mr. diaz? >> we have a 28% poverty rate in the our city. $ he school reform commission has r in the middle of it and it has not reformed a thing in 13 years. you've got to terminate that reform commission. you've got to give the schools back to the parents and threat parents do the guidance and give local control and hold the mayor accountable for making sure that the schools work. >> can you give us an example -- sorry to iná example of at( city where that has worked? >> i'll give you schools thatxd work. right across the border i

represent a school called leap which essentially hasçó axd pre-k program from 3 to 8.cf1 o they have a wrap around system which looks at the socioeconomic issues of the children, looks at the needs and taylors the education for the need of that child soxd that that child can get the support, gets breakfast in the morning gets lunch in the afternoon, and gets uafterschool activities. and she graduates 100% of those children. we had two gate çóscholars. and aspirea has the ñiomnischool. it was lpfailing. and look what has happened. >> it's the best mast school in thev >> mr. kenney?xd >> start at the 3t( and 4-year-olds whoxd don't have any access to prek. you need to change the generats f people to make them readers and achievers. you do5a that by getting them ready for ñrschool. the other thing is talking to the business community. they know whate1 the hiring needs

are fore1 the next decade. and start.ljñ tayloring your high school curriculum and the community college curriculum to get people certified in training to get those jobs. we do have a 28% poverty rate. we needtx z findjf jobs that are family sustaining good payinge1 jobs. one thing i would like to do is invest with the state and the private sector in our terminal at packer avenue our containerization terminal. make it one of the best on the east coast. those are the kinds of jobs wheree1e1 people can make $5050 an hour and support a family. i think those are the areas we need to expand our reach in. >> i would liket( to move one1 to questions individually. mr. kenney you havew3 been known for having a bit of at( temper. we've seenñi some of your off-colorw3 tweets. >> if you feel fashion. >> your passionate. b]tv i want to ask you in alle1

seriousness, is that appropriate behavior for a big city mayor? and how willt( you keep your emotions in check when big way? >> well, i think that twitter is twitter. it's not state ofe1 union address.xd it's not a an address to council. it's twitter. it's 140w3 characters of nons yeah i was upset that governor christie was embracing jerry jones in our stadium in front of our team and ourjf fansfá when he lives across the river and weçó support their economy atq the jersey shore. i sent that tweet. i have not gotten much complaints about it to tell the truth. people kinds of understand where i was coming from. but that's twitter. i have a 23-year career in council dealing with issues affecting this entire city. as mayor you have the ability to get things that n a little bit.fát( but we'll deal with problems as they come. i think throughout the entire campaign i have conducted myself quite well and i continue to intend to do r

>> all right. and we'll let you tweet about e1it if you wish. to mr. oliver at aq recent foru-hk on to fe lack men.w3 now, that's a broad statement. i know there was more to the discussion that followed. so i want to ask, what exactly did you mean by e1that? >> the question that was asked of me that evening is how do you improve relationships between police and the communities that they serve? peuwhaps int( our 40 seconds to respond i used words that ñi misconstrued what i was tryingçó to say. essentially if you want to fix the problem you have to firsts7q acknowledge that one exists. when we look at the police department we have to acknowledge that we have rogue officers who do not represent the larger jájtqqh(5q eñ yet still insight fear in the communities@ué(u they serve. on the other side of thelp w3b. equation, black on black crime is a clal xdchallenge. and for police officers who have to manage around that we have

to at least acknowledge that they may be fearoem as well. it was not meant to be prescriptive. it was not meant to suggest that police should treat african-americans or latinos or anyone in their communities in any other way other than wi respect and dignity. and i certainly was surprised that my comments were misconstrued. but blame it on the head not the heart. in this case, i would do anything to ensure that african-american men are safe in their communities. that's really the bottom line. >> thank you. mr. williams much of the criticismfá of your campaign centers on so-called dark money, unlimited funds that come in from supporters who supposedly have no connection whatsoever to the individual candidate's campaign. among them as wexd p,know main line millionaires who support charter schools. but i want to ai]sk you, are third party packs helping or unduing influencing the race for mayor in your opinion? >> i would say much has been written aboutfá that. and apparently my money is not

dark. it's pretty tans parent because they write about it likefáv day. there are other people who are running -- i'm the only person on this stage who actually has paid for adds themselves, matter of fact on this stage we have spent lot of money. i'm proud that we've raised money through my own r there is another candidate one1lp this stage, jim kenney who has adds up on television that are only payedj8 y.e1 it does effect outcomes. steflgs a reality. you have to be on television.xd outside forces areq lining up because of the rules we have created making it difficult for us to run these adds. but i'm proud. and more

spending money to put ads on television. i was involved in campaign reform in philadelphia alongeq$ @r(t&háhp &hc th mr. nutter when he was a council man. we limitede1 amounts of money candidates could aik take and we have come a long waye1 in making the system t(w3better. the supreme court'st( rule threw a wrench into that. understand who it isxd funding my kmerms commercials. but i understand it is working people. they are not billionaires. >> toj #r. diaz. within the past week at a previous forum senator williamsçó accused you ofe1 stealing his idea of creating a munici gbi bank. >> that's e1true. [ laughter ] >> so we want tojf ask you point blank, did you get that idea yourself or did you steal it? >> we've been meeting with a bunch of progressive groups. and based on meeting withxd those progressive groupse1 they have a pamphlet. in the pamphlet, they talked about the iowañ)hsunicipal bank

and how the municipal bank could be utilized. that is what we referred. to unlike mr.q kenneylp and mr. williams, i don't supposei] the voucher system. and that's how they get their opportunities to essentially take money out of the school system which essentially hurts the public w3schools. >> mr. street? >> yes? >> as you well know you did go to federal prison for failingq to file federal tax returns on $3 million in income. youçó served your time. >> that's correct. >> but i want to ask you, why should philadelphiians trust to you follow the letter of the law now as mayor? >> why shouldok they? because i have a plan. and a plan that's fíbç my community where i live to stop the silence. now they don't have to trust me but i can tell you this,ok i have a plan that can save your child, streets safe i have a plan that will create a relationship

between the police and the community. okay? and so it's very, very simple. it's not even complicated. you want to save your child, or you wante1çó3w to talk aboutq milton street went to federal prison? you have got five people up here that didn't go to federal prison but they don't have a plan to save your child. i have a i have a plan to make it safe for seniorçó citizens to go to the grocery store without getting çó robds. i have a plan to make it safee1 in our schools forxd to your child to be able to maximize their potential and teachers to be able to teach. i have a plan to bring back a relationship between the police and the community. we have marched. we have e1demonstrated. we have hadfáxd candlelight services rved.e1

who are re-entering society. and he is an example of what one would do in terms of reconstituting their life. would you imagine anyonet(qe1 in the neighborhood thinking after they come back home picked themselves upt( they have paid their debt to r importantly they aree1 running for4 (mayor of the city of philadelphia. that's admirable. >> e1thanks. >> r/ vote for me though. >> so we have a comedian in the group, e1too. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> this next ques diaz mr. kenney mr. street. experts say philadelphia is really on the verge of becomingw3 america's next energy hub. we talked a little bit about this tonight. this could create thousands of new jobs. what will you do as mayor to see the growth of philadelphia as an energy hub?jf >> i don't have any problems mu using the energy hub anákq

developing the energy hub. my problem is that we can't continue to have more emissions and more pollution in the city. the fact of the matter is that this is the dirtiest city ine1 pennsylvania and it's oneñ2ñd of the dirtiest cities in america. we can't continue toxd putty missions out there. we need the jobs. we have toñ1 work witht( the jobs. but we should look for alternative fuels and alternative opportunities to make sure that wepkeep our city clean. yes, we have to work on what happens. but you've gote1 toe1 understand this is an ads and meds city. keeping our economy going. if we want to train the next work force you have got to look at the eds and meds. it's at the navy yard university of pennsylvania temple university and center system that's all you have. if you want to bring people into got train them.

able to turn our economy >> mr. kenney how do you feel about building anning in hub. >> it is an interestingçó concept and wee1 should pursue it. and we should pursue that we are ef-6ronmentally safe the trains are safe the contraband may be lobbied for track i]upgrades so they don't go off the q the t! i would likeok to see pgwñiñrñr be more involved. and i think that we can really work well with the energy companies that come to this region by using pgw and their employees and their capital as ane1 opportunityt( to do even better. >> mr.ó[ street how do you feel about philadelphia becoming an energy hub. >> i feel good about it.b. i have all these vision of a çó solar bike xdpath. we have solar panels and you ride your bike.çó come on,ok let's ask questions of

something we can do. in eight years you are not going toyma= á t an energy hub in9 philadelphia in eight years. i don't care what you do. i've looked at awful it win mills and solarp, heat and all types of heatú drafting and all that stuff. you are not going to do get it done in eight years and i'll be happy to deal with night could you set the ground work though. >> what? >> could youe1 as mayor set the ground work for seeing thatt( cti5&háhp &hc% to fruition. >> i could probably set the ground work but it took senator williams 17 years to raise the tax on people to smoke. youok know? so setting the ground work what koss that mean? because every election we start over. every election. every eight years, you start over. come on. let's be real. you know eddie rendell set the ground work for at( lot of stuff. start over again. johnt( street set the ground work for e1things. you know hisxd thing for the fá

abbey. all. so come on, give me something i can deal with in my eight years. >> i want to update everybody that pliz abraham i got word, she's doing well. we are glad s! hear. that she is still resting but we wanted to update everybodyfá that she is doing well. that'sçóq good news. we wish you were here to answer the questions. this next onets7j5ñe1 just for mr. oifrl and senator williams. >> i don't get to answer the last one? >> we had broken that down into smaller groups.8(q=s f1 o t int( harris fwurg and advocate for the city there. how would youlp sell philadelphia as ae1 manufacturing hub? let's startok with mr. oifrl. >> i think when we talk about energy. and i tñ)hke1 this question is related to the last one, we talk

about an energy hub. the idea of energy and its benefits have been readily parent to the rest of the state. when you look at unemployment levels across pennsylvania during thee1 worst economic crisis this country has ever seen you saw that pennsylvania fared very, very well during that time. but if you look at how philadelphia did during that time, we were left out of the economic vitality of marcela shale. i think the existence of that @go cf1 o ty. the manufacturing jobs that i ql"t%oked about earlier being gone tha we are training kids for we canxa6qu11e use energy to attract those jobs back here. state lawmakers want to see philadelphia do better. but they also want to see that we manage ourselves. the idea of making pgw function more likeq a private entity while still owned by the cityth$rj ae1 pipe okdeem. it wasn't brought upt( in discussion in city council.

i think this was a misstep. uj4w3 missed the unt too. that makes the conversation in harrisburg more difficult. but i don't think it is over. i think we can push the agenda attract the jobs and use those low skill jobs to employfá countless philadelphians. >> the red light has been ouá for 30w3e1 seconds. >> thank you. appreciate the extra help mr. spreet. >> senator williams how would you sell philadelphia as a manufacturing hub. >> as i have done in other areas in harrisburg. everyone here knows there isok a republican in control of thekrjñ house andçó the senate and used q@z cf1 o ctively bring backçó quarter of a million trars in education. and $7 million5arin public ansportation. the mayor has to work at state

government, city government, and the federal level. i have done all to convert it to a manufacturing hub we have to embrace big ideas and philadelph9q has to be seen as not afraid to embrace those big ideas. it's to get city council stakeholders to believe that fákvnpgw can be moved forward in a way that will allow natural gas to come through and create manufacturing jobs in pennsylvania because ofe1 its deep cheap cost uw#energy. >> may i respond. >> no. >> go ahead. >> senator williams is talking about the quarter of a million dollars. but governor corpse1 bet cut everything for philadelphia from your nose to your toes. he cut okeverything. senator williams and all the other legislators were up here and they couldn't do anything to stop. that i know that the mayor of philadelphia has to be mayor ofçó philadelphia. you, me, and all of us will elect people to go tot( harrisburg and deal with the governor and deal with everybody. i know because i'vet( been there. there was a time i was in

harrisburg that not one penny would come through philadelphiaz# heir arms around. that whene1 dr. clayton came tot(fáe1 harrisburg .'q money for the schools. >> the light isq red. >> i just went color blind. >> for the schools. >> the light is red. the light is red. thank you, mr. street. all right. this issue has come up=. several times in some of your answers. what about thee1 over 26% ofxd philadelphians who tonight,rin our city, are living in poverty? that's double thee1 national rate. so as mayor, how would you lifttr(t&háhp &hc them out of poverty?e1 we'll start with senator williams. >> start with me? >> senator williams, and then we'll work our way back. >> the same way my çófather my moth÷ and countless others grew

out of poverty, education. status quo has not served us. well before charter schools arrived. doesn't mean that we don't have good schools. we certainly do. but we have a lot of schools that don't work for all families. experience. so that the first experience in life is not rapping, dribbling a basketballd@5ut children look to a quality of life provided to them with a quality educational experience. we can do that andáq ave to look past what we've done and face the bold changes in front of us and use them to every child's advantage regardless of much money yourlive in what zip code surroundsxd you. q!: education. >> i agree with public education. i think we are talking about something within the moment. we need jobs now. public education is evolution, slow, gradual change. we needko revolution, quick change.ok we need jobs now.

>> how do you find those -- how do you bring those jobs to that segment of the population. >> you don't necessarily have to bring the cjobs. we spend $40,000ñiñr a year to put alpt @&ho person in prison. ift( we go to prevention we can hire peoplelp in thexd community who are entry levelt( to patrol the community to break down on the crime to identify vacant houses to have a relationship with the police that'sok going to create afá quick response and prevention tool. punislbq't doesn't work. we have to go with prevention. and by going through with prevention you are going toe save hundreds of young people who once they are convicted of a felony they arew3 locked out of the work 1 for a longw3 period of time. now i'm talking about the philadelphia -- i'm color blinds again. i'm talking about philadelphia out there in the community. not the philadelphia in centerw3 city. we have two and let's make that very clear.

>> milton nbstreet thank yout( so much. doug oliver, what's your plan for fighting this overwhelming?;lp poverty rate? smile' pick up where senator street left off. we do havex8"uuz cities. we have those who have and those that don't. i think the biggest barrier between those two groups is in the bridge therefore,e1 between those two groups is education my platform for mayor is predicated upon education, job creation, and fairness. with respect to education, welp can't ó1áe this conversation every0ír like we don't know the school season is about to start. we know that every august schools are beginning.xd yet we keep having this conversation about how we fun them as if it's a surprise. when we talk about job creation we are talking about bringing thosee1 manufacturing low skill jobs back to the system we are talkingrabout keeping homes affordable lieu weatherization so they don't get pushed out of the most affordablei] housing which is the housing you already oechblt talking about technology training there are

jobs that pay $2530 right now that you can be prepared for with only 16 weeks training. if wexdxd as a city realize we havexd already failed aát generation ande1 startfá making investmentslpe1 we will get there in the short-term. and the long term solution is fixing our schools. >> thank t(you. >> uniueuápfñfyprek for all the children 3 and 4 years of age. making our schools centers of the community (pi people go just for education on a daytime basis. i think we have to keep our young people out of trouble. and that's why i sponsorede1 and passed the marijuana decriminalization bill which kept 4200 kids a year -- is keeping 4200 kids at( year 83% of those, people of color, from being arrested forñr de minimus activity that a lot of us did in high s](&ol and college that if we gott( psted for we would have a different life now.

those kids cannot go to college, cannot go into the military quantified a job can't keep a job. and they go into that corner andent up inñi the poverty pipeline to prison.e1 we have to have a robust reentry program for people coming back. we have to be prepared for themvp anz@tru now we are not prepared fore1 them and their nesfr. >> mr. diyzu >> the first time i ever [lvpt in a bed is when i was 10 years old when i wasçó able to get public housing. i was in a rat infested tenment. when i got into that my body developed. and then i8 the opportunity to develop and get an education. we don't look at the needs of each one of those kids and what they need before they can begin to study an"i b ini the school.i] 40% of the people in this city move out every day to 6-?; outside the city reverselpok ñi transportation. i for 45 years have4# worked in the community to make things i developed three community

development corporations and i'm not an elected official. i ymreformed public housing. i'm not an elected official. you have to look at my resume of what i did throughout the country. i reformed the courtt( system and i was not authorized to give $100ok million back to the city sotru1aq!q:uz could help with the bankruptcy period of time of time.fì communities. and these folks who are elected officials vote the!q way but dope do anythingçó aboutityok putting the skin into the game. >> thank you. for this nextr looking for a yes or no answer so we can cover a lot of ground in a short period of time. please keep that in mind. the answer would be yes, or no.xt oner ramsey remain in y police --

>> a littlei] extra to that yes, keep it yes or no. >> mr. kenney? >> yes. >> mr. oifre'ip 1 o >>jf inappropriate. >> no. >> mr. williams? >> yes. >> do you favore1 appro/=cñ of more charter schools? mr. diaz? >> i don't feel the funding is settles. >> so that's a no as of right now. >> the funding is nott(xd settled. >>t(lp mr. kenney. >> no. >> mr. r >> no. how can they be mayor when they don't understand yes and no?fá [ laughter ]lpe1 >> we're going to give it another shot x?ere. >> this comes from the man who can't read a light is red. can't give a one word answer other than now.z or a yesó[ or no to

this one. do you believe, and this is a serious question, that philadelphia has a race relations problem. >> mr. diaz? >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> yes.xd >> thank you.xd let's t#t about the current administration, the nutter administration. just 1%us what grade you administration, a to f mr. diaz?kfn sorry. >> what grade would you give the current administration? >> triple f. >> senator williams. >> a in ethics and a ine1 -- a inlp providing for stability. >> -xeivee1 you a b on answerin/ we want to quickly move to your closing statements to give you a chancexd

to sort of put a bow on this for the viewers at home and in the audience. wei] begin with you, mr. diaz? >> well i wante1i] to thank you the chamber of commerce, for putting this together iok guess you've seen the difference some of us who have becomegh o tell you that what i want to do is i want to make theñi i want to create jobs thati] create opportunities for people like me to get into the middle class. and i want to make sure that we reduce crime.7n' it's important that we seasonq that. i gave up everything i have because i believe we can make life better for people in this city if we put our minds to and it if we work it together. thank you very much. much as gracias. [ speaking spanish ] . i hope that you vote for me. >> gracias.

mr. kenney. >> i was born and raised in the city, a son of a firefighter and a working mother. worked in the home and worked outside the home. i've been in politics, i've seenq what works, what doesn't work. i have the passion, ability, and the desire andxd drive to make people's lives e1better. unless we are in public service to make people's looifr lives better we are never going to be happy or successful. i spentu my career doing it. i continue to expand that opportunity to do it as mayor of and i appreciate your consideration on may 19th.xd i want to thank you all for being here. gru"uz see such a nice grou crowd. >> doug oliver. >> thank you for the opportunity to speak with you. i loveok my city. philly born and raised. i'mzv running for mayor because i think the city really can use a different perspective to the challenges it hags faced for kp been. bragging about 25 30, 40ok years of experience here doesn't do anything with respect to the new generations of philadelphians that are here in this city.

50,000 new philadelphians that are here all under the age of i know many would like to paint me as the mayor for young people. the fact of the matter ise1fá it's not for young people but it is very much about young people.ç we are going to keep our wordfá to pensioner whofá worked hard and want to retirelmjz fixed incomes within this city. the answer is young people. i seek to represent their interests but i seek toe1 do it ont( behalf of the entire e1city. i thank youok e1for the opportunity and i ask you to consider me on may 19th. >> mr. street? yes, i was here i was born and raised in thexd 7th dayr church right here. i got my training in the church. i wasxd leader of the youth there at 16 years old i was preaching. i went on to school and i got involved in politics and i've done the heavy i]lifting. i've taken on thee1 vendors. i've taken on housingw3 issues. we've taken on the issues when they were dumping the money into

the galley instead of going intoe1 the community -- if i sound angry tonight -- i want to say this to you, it's because i am. i'm very angry. every morning i wake up somebody else is shot dead and nobody is doing anything about it. i rethe report and there is 200,000 people stopt( with stop and frisk this year. over 95% of them areh nothing wrong. there was no criminal activity. >> milton street thank you so much. senator williams. >> i wasn't finished. >> we're almost out ofjer time. >> oh. 9er lphia can learn regardless of zip code or family income. if you believe as i believe that the dignity of worke1 should be for anyone rarldless of whether they are re-entering society, high school drop outs high school degree, certified or college degree or advanced jf degree, everyone should have that opportunity. if you believe as i believe, then regardless of whether ñwm+ you areh

dignity of peace, the experience of humanity is a part of our cit!.b if you believe these things as i believe these things then wee1 believe in one city. and w"1 believe in a mayorok who has that vision to draw people from the far northeast toñi southwest philadelphia from north philadelphiar elsewhere, wherever it is thatxd you believe as i believe that the greatest years are in front of us. that opportunity presents ñi itself. thank you very much. >> gentlemen, thank you so much for being hereñi tonight. we wish lynne sb#aham will be doing well. she is doing well. due toñi t(ñiñrunforeseen circumstances we didn't get to hear more from her. remember to cast your vote in this from today on may 19th. i'll see youxdm5%9 tonight for nbc 10 news at 11:00. thank you for joining us here tonight. [ applause ]

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