this sunday progressive politics in america. this court makes same sex marriage legal from coast to coast. politicians from both parties say it's time for the confederate battle flag to come down. >> it's time to move the flag from the capital grounds. >> and the affordable health care act is here to stay. >> we're all excited. >> we'll cover it all. victories for liberals president obama's growing legacy and how conservatives will respond. i'll be joined by two 2016 candidated lindsey graham senator from south carolina and

bobby jindal. >> finally, terror abroad and concerns at home. how serious is the threat to us? i'm chuck todd joining me this morning is newt gingrich michael dyson, kathleen parker and charles ogletree. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." good morning. perhaps it was a bit of a hyperbole, but one writer said this is a week that historians will write books about. the president sang amazing grass as they buries the confederate battle flag. as americans came to look at three issues in a very different way in rapid order. the confederate flag aimed to be seen by most if not some as a

reminder of hate. health care workers, and same sex marriage becoming the law of the land. president obama is celebrating the supreme courts health care decision with his chief of staff. friday night the white house was bathed in rainbow colors capping the most sweeping social transformation. >> there is a right to marriage equality. >> the progressive victories were led not from the top down but by a new generation of grass roots activists pressing their political leaders to keep up with the change. >> sometimes there are days like this when a slow steady effort is rewarded with justice. >> just 30 years ago, the supreme court said that gay people could be punished as

criminals. >> in historical terms, it moved quickly. but that quickly came on the strength of more than four decades of engagement work persuasion stumbles and justice. it took a lot of work to get to this overnight success. >> responses to the ruling are a litmus test for the voters they intend to target. others like jeb bush eyes the general election criticized the decision but essentially said accept it and move on. also this week a flag that was a defiant political symbol is being taken down. and the tragedy in charleston may be changing the debate on race from a conversation to an action. >> that is a call to the nation.

two years ago, president obama brought a message of tough love to african-americans at moorehouse college. nobody cares how tough your upbringing was. no one cares if you suffered discrimination. >> the president took a much different approach. >> we're guarding against not just racial slurs, but we're guarding against the subtle impulse to call johnny back for a job, but not jamaal. >> the message was amplified by social media. hillary clinton and bernie sanders were criticized for not being comfortable using the phrase "black lives matter." >> racism is an epidemic. it is a public health crisis.

>> on friday the president wanted to make sure that phrase was crystal clear, and then broke into an old hymn. "amazing grace how sweet ♪ >> a week of social change. just hours after the supreme court decision on same sex marriage, i sat down with one of the lawyers that successfully argued the case. and i began by asking mary who has been at the forefront of the fight for a decade if she was surprised by the rapid pace of change? >> i didn't expect to stee this quickly, but when people started marrying in may of 2004 the temperature was coming down and

people were relating to the fact that it was just people that loved each other. >> justice roberts in his decent on one hand said celebrate, he seemed to be happy about the outcome, but upset about the legal justification for the outcome. he says you can celebrate in every which way, but you can't point to the constitution. >> this case is entirely about the constitution and the great thing about our nation is that we have the courts there to say when laws trespass on basic guarantees. and our nation has kept basic cherished liberties. in the end, there chsz no good reasons here. the major argument was if same sex couples marry, different sex

couples won't marry, but that's not how people make important decisions in their lives. >> you have two kids and you get to tell your kids your marriage is legal no matter where you live or move. >> it is very important because in the state of kentucky i'm their only parent right now. >> the state of kentucky does not recognize you as a parent? >> because they don't recognize our marriage they don't allow a second parent adoption. >> we're using past tense, but that is an important outcome of this. now we can put both names on their birth certificates. they have always seen us as both of us being their parents. so this is a big win for us. >> do you think your services are done? >> no. people still get singled out for

discrimination and for what is happening in south carolina today, just unspeakable violence. so i believe that the work goes on for the way we live our lives, so we're not singled out for treatment. >> for a look of what is going on at the supreme court, we can't think of anyone better than our own mr. williams. is it a liberal court, a conservative court? >> you have the marriage decision saving health care reviving the housing discrimination law. saying states don't have to put the confederate flag on their license plates. if you look at the last ten years with john roberts running the court. he has twice bails on obama care but liberals hate that he

has given us the decision that was is a darling to conserve tisative decision. he hates to description of a liberal or conservative block of justices and i think she concerned about the court and his own image. >> it is fair that we fwloe justices will always be on the right, and we know where for justices will be on the left when it comes to kagen, brier, -- >> one is that they interrupt statutes

statutes, and the other is saying what libber erertyies does the constitution protect? >> there is a difference in conservative juris prudence between scalia and roberts. >> justice scalia thinks of himself as a textualists in. his majority opinion, you have scalia saying this is crazy. the chief justice twice quotes him assaying you have to read the law as a whole.

there is a general warning that is out there about the fourth of july. explain it. >> it is isis based and it has been out there for several weeks now. the attorney general and the fbi director had a meeting, homeland security had a conference call with police chiefs. they're worried about isis social media inspiring people in the united states to take terror action. one is the obvious fact that is t is a holiday, but they have seen in some of these social media messages exhortations to do something now. so you seen the fbi rounding up people and doing arrests and you will probably see more of that this week. >> we have another big one coming up on monday for real political junkies. >> but we know it's coming. >> we know it's coming. >> as we bring in the panel, i want ed

wanted wanted everyone to see how it was recorded in our print. they be souvenirs for many people. others maybe not so much. let me bring in the panel. charles ogletree you're the harvard law professor here what did you learn this week? >> it was a great series of decisions. the republicans are not conservative or liberal. this is about justice inequality. i'm very happy about the decision by the court today. >> i think there are two radically different kind of decisions. for the obama care decision it

is almost impossible to read the law the way the court read it. in the case of the gay rights movement that goes back i think this is the 46th anniversary. this has been a long evolution. many of the court has migrated. there you have the court following the nation. i don't happen to think that we should decide these things in court. clearly if you look at the reaction around the country this is an issue that i began saying several years ago. abundance you have feel getting married legally, you're having a challenge that you can't unravel. so many lives are being affected. >> that is interesting, the speaker brought up something, but you could argue in our country's history, the courts -- it has only been the court that's dealt with social

transportation. the legislative bodies they can't deal with it. >> you think about the dread scott decision the brown versus board of education. it's stlees been victims of state forces of oppression. jim crowe was a state sponsored form of division of racists. the courts have intervened to keen the dream of democracy alive. i think when it comes to obama care, again, those -- to disagree with speaker gingrich here. the people who make the law are alive. their intents are clear. they went to court saying that's not the interpretation we want to lend to those words. so when they try to deconstruct just ask those that wrote it and we could save time. >> you can argue that

everybody's point of view was represented on the supreme court. isn't that a good thing? >> everybody gets a piece of what they want represented. >> that's true and i appreciated professor ogletree's explanation. i love pete williams explanation of scalia being a textualist to follow up on one of the things that speaker gingrich said you know the -- i lost my train of thought. >> that's all right. >> no no sorry. i did just space there. i'm still visualizing the white house bathed in rainbow colors. >> i can't wait for the red, black, and green. >> i think the marriage issue was a gift. i think the ruling on the

marriage issue was a gift to the g.o.p. they say look this is the law, we follow it move on. they don't have to create wedge issues. >> in crass political terms, i have seen some conservatives say should republicans trust another bush? does this hurt jeb bush in an odd way? >> maybe, but some things will hurt him with conservatives anyway. you look at dread scott, where the supreme court was totally wrong. you look at the civil rights movement in the 50s and 60s. there was an immense amount of political activism. >> listen aabsolutely agree with that. the adjudication of the court

has to reflect the democracy of the court. >> hoi do you feel about the idea that the supreme court should reflect public opinion. >> i don't think they should. they should site the law. justice, and equality. but the supreme court says question decide what the law is going to be and i rest and say they have made a good decision a good series of decisions on obama care and other issues as well. >> we're going to pause here and come back with more on this debate. when we come back over 150 years after it was used in battle, and over half a centuryrights.

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friday. what did you make of the president? >> great speech. good singer. i don't think he's a very good commander in chief, but he did a very good job. i guess when we started talking about god's grace and embracing the democratic agenda across the board he sort of lost me there but i thought he did an incredible job of speaking about reverend pinckney. he did a good job explaining our history. but then it got a bit political. i'm glad he came and i know it meant a lot to the people in south carolina for the president to come. >> why did it take nine deaths to change your mind on the battle flag? >> if you'd ask me the day before the attack and this killing, i would have said the compromise were for south carolina, chuck. i'm not going to throw my state under the bus. that's never going to happen. this compromise was 15 years old. we took the flag off the top of the dome, moved it by the war memorial, built an african monument that worked for most

south carolinaen and after the shooting it did not. my state will never move forward after this shooting if we don't take the flag down. the people at the ame church, the families of the victims, changed everything by their grace, by their love by their forgiveness, making it impossible for a guy like me to say, keep the flag up. >> when you see the flag now, do you see a symbol of hate or heritage? >> i see it as a roadblock for south carolina. put it in a museum. you can look at it any way you like but after this shooting and and after the call for it to be taken down by the families of the victims i say it's a roadblock to the future of my state. i love my state. we've come a long way. we got a long way to go. but it's got -- it's got to come down and i see it being in a museum. you can look at it any way you want. the flag that's only meant anything to me is the united states flag which i served for 33 years as an air force officer. >> i'm curious to get your

reaction to what david brooks wrote about robert e. lee. he says my own view is we should preserve most con fed ral memorials as respect of the soldier. we should keep lee's name on institutions that reflect. but we should remove lee's names from most schools, roads and institutions where the name could be an acceptance of what he did and stood for during the war. these debate, senator will be about jefferson davis as well, virginia, very prominent in northern virginia jefferson davis highway. where do you think we should go forward on this? >> if you look back, the goal is to go forward, right? to look back in a way to come to reality about who we are as a nation but to go forward together. i would say to david, who i admire a lot, why would you stop there? the whole country was founded by flavor owners for the most part. here's a question, why would you name the capital of any nation after a slave owner? i think washington, d.c. is appropriately named even though

george washington was a slave owner, because when you look at what he did as a whole i think he's earned the right to be called one of the great figures in american history. as to robert e. lee if it wasn't for his leadership after the war, urging his soldiers to lay down their weapons and become good americans, only god knows what would happen after 1865. >> i want to move to the court here. i'm curious to see your reaction. this is what ted cruz said in response to the two court rulings last -- on friday night. >> today it's some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation's history. >> do you agree with his assessment? >> no. i think it's a transformational moment. there are a lot of upset people who believe in traditional marriage. they're disappointed. they're down right now. but the court has ruled so here's where i stand. if i'm president of the united states here's what would

happen. if you have a church, a mosque or a synagogue and you're following your faith and you refuse to perform a same-sex marriage because it's outside the tenets of your faith n my presidency you will not lose your tax-exempt status. if you're a gay person or gay couple f i'm president of the united states, you'll be able to participate in commerce and be a full member of society consistent with the religious beliefs of others who have rights also. >> let me ask you about the republican party platform, the 2012 platform said this we affirm our support for constitutional amendment defining marriage as one man and one woman. should is that go away in 2016? >> i don't believe there's any chance for constitutional amendment defining marriage between one man and one woman to get two-thirds vote in the house or senate and be ratified -- >> get it out of the platform? >> i agree with jeb. if my view, you can put it in the platform but in my view it will hurt us in 2016 because

it's a process that's not going to bear fruit. i want to protect the religious liberties of those who believe that opposing same-sex marriage as part of their faith, so, no i would not engage in the constitutional amendment process as a party going into 2016. accept the court's ruling, fight for the religious liberties of every american. >> are you confident the flag's coming down in south carolina? >> yes, because we have no other choice. and i am confident that after all this is over we'll be stronger than south carolina were before. this is a case where the people led the politicians. the grace the love shown by the victims of these families represent my state better than i could ever hope to. i'm so proud of the people in charleston. >> senator lindsey graham, i'll stay there. stay safe on the campaign trail. panelists here kathleen parker, you're a charleston resident. you were down there this week. the flag coming down, right? you feel as if south carolina's

unifying around that position? >> well, you're still going to have pockets of dissent for sure. and the national media will certainly root out those people. but for the most part, i don't know anyone who thinks flag belongs there. i don't know anybody who didn't think it needed to come down from the dome 15 years ago. there will always be those people that have the confederate flag in heir their front yards and trucks. they're going to -- it almost has less to do with the flag itself than the outside forces insisting they take it down. there's still that sort of dig your heels in and resist mentality. but it's coming down because it's the right thing to do. it's the least we can do to pay our respects for the people who died in that attack. >> i want to play something cornel brooks of the naacp -- he is actually posing a question to everybody on this panel. take a listen. >> i poese a question to the viewers of this program.

would you feel safe walking into a room full of swastikas and nazi paraphernalia in the same way americans do not feel safe do not feel confident by this emblem of hatred, bigotry biased and slavery waving in front of the state capitol. that's why it had to come down. speaker, you represented georgia, this divide on what the confederacy was about. when you hear his comments, how do you respond? >> look, i joined democrat zoe miller 13 years ago in saying the georgia flag had to be changed. it's very clear -- >> are you comfortable with the flag the way it is now? it is modeled -- it is the original confederate flag just with the georgia seal on it the way it's modeled. >> i think that well be change now that people are into a new cycle. it's crazy for amazon to come along and say here is an educational game about gettysburg, which is used widely

in schools to teach people to think. by the way, it has a confederate versus american flag and, therefore, they've taken the game out of amazon. there's a point here where we begin to get towards orwell's memory hole in which we try to hide from the past. i think it's one thing to say you should not have a symbol which is very offensive to a large part of your population. it's another thing to say, let's erase our history and pretend it never occurred. >> where is that balance? >> i absolutely agree with that. the question is, the flag is the easy part. the difficult part is, the ideas for which that flag stands. the vicious white supremacy, repudiation of african-american identity and autonomy to move where you want to move. question itself the flag is gone but hatred remains and how do we root out the hatred and speak to the forces of oppression that prevail. it's so important to say the symbols and emblems of hate are removed but it's more difficult for republicans to stand up and defend that flag because they're

also defending a way of life that's quickly. >> this idea of rethinking how we honor the confederacy. >> i think it's important. i think we had a history of slavery we already heard about and we moved from that. we have a society, we have the first african-american pshgts not the last, i hope. and i think people are in congress people are working in jobs, people are doing a great job in education. we need to talk about us as a country all of us united coming together. i think that's what the flag should be about. all americans should be embraced in the same way. >> i'm going to leave it there. coming up my next guest says this, if we want to save some money let's just get rid of the court. republican presidential candidate bobby jindal's reactions to 48 hours of court rulings. he's joins me next. >> announcer: "meet the press" is brought to you by morgan stanley, where capital cr

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we pointed out what an historic week it was in america. it reminded us there are times when president's simply figure out how to capture the moment, transcends bipartisanship. sadded those moments are often rooted in tragedy. reagan after the "challenger" explosion. >> we'll never forget them nor the last time we saw them this morning as they prepared for

their journey and waved good-bye and slipped to the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of god. >> bill clinton after oklahoma city. >> you have lost too much but you have not lost everything. and you have certainly not lost america. for we will stand with you. >> george w. bush after 9/11. >> i can hear you. the rest of the world hears you. and the people -- [ cheers and applause ] >> and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> and this week barack obama's eulogy in charleston. >> blinded by hatred the alleged killer could not see the grace surrounding rev republican

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so mommy and daddy have been talking and deciding a lot about this. maybe get a chance if you behave to go back to iowa. you like that? >> you like iowa don't you? >> giving the politically correct answer there about the state of iowa, louisiana governor bobby jindal's somewhat unconventional video where he broke the news to his children where he was running for president. we learned new jersey's governor chris christie will jump into the republican race on tuesday and that takes the major declared republican candidates to 14. jindaly and christie have

something in common, once rising starts and now getting hit hard in their own states. they hope to show they have the convictions to lead even if unpopular on the national stage. i'm joined by the governor of louisiana bobby jindal. welcome back to "meet the press," governor. >> chuck thank you for having me. of course, my kids love iowa. they know -- they went to the iowa state fair. they had a deep-fried candy bar. who wouldn't love that? >> there you go. pander, pander, pander away. let me start with this. put up this map here. one state in the union is not issued any marriage license since the court ruling on friday. and your state, louisiana. there have been some counties in mississippi and some in texas. can you explain why your state hasn't implemented the law yet? >> sure. chuck, i strongly disagree with the court's ruling. according to chief justice roberts they weren't reading -- this has nothing to do with the

constitution but we're going to come fly ply with the court order. we don't have a choice. our state agencies will comply with a court order. we had it in our state constitution that marriage is between a man and a woman. local federal judgeup held upheld that. we have no choice to comply even though i think this decision was the wrong one. >> how quickly do you think you'll comply with the law? >> it will be up to the court as soon as they issue their ruling. i suspect a matter of days. chuck, i do suspect -- i know there are efforts in congress to support our tenth amendment rights, spes rights, especially when it comes to our rights. i think it is wrong for the federal government to force christian individuals, businesses pastors churches to participate in wedding ceremonies that violate our

sincerely sincerely-held religious beliefs. the left wants to silence us. hillary clinton wants to silence us. we're not going away. >> i want you to respond because you bring up a couple of debate points that are familiar. rick grinell, long time conservative foreign policy voice, worked in the bush administration. and he makes a conservative case for safe him sex marriage writing this, the debate on marriage within the republican party has been hijacked by those who wish to dictate their beliefs onto others. the only true conservative position, the individual right of marriage for all has been affirmed by the supreme court. it's time for consistent conservatives to come out in favor of the court's ruling. that's a conservative argument for same-sex marriage. why do you believe he's wrong? look, i think he's wrong, hillary clinton, president obama is wrong. they evolve their views because

of opinion polls. they can read opinion polls like the supreme court. my view of marriage is based on my christian faith. no court is going to change that. i think marriage is between a man and a woman. i think they're all created equal in god's eyes and i think we should respect and love those. i think we can have religious liberty without discrimination. my views on marriage aren't evolving with the polls. i can read polls like the president can. it's based on my faith. i think it should remain between a man and a woman. >> the issue of religion and faith was used in the '60s during the debate about interracial marriage. none other than former president harry truman "the new york times" since september 1, 1963. the headline truman opposes biracial marriage. he said racial intermarriage ran counter to teachings of the bible. so, are you comfortable using religion as a way to defend your position on marriage? >> chuck look, i think it's

offensive to -- of evangelical christians, catholics to follow their church's teachings and millions of other americans who believe marriage between a man and woman was taught in our faiths for centuries. president obama and secretary clinton it wasn't just a republican position. so, i think it's offensive to try to equate the two. i'm glad america has moved towards a much better view on race relations. i've said we need to stop viewing ourselves as hyphenated americans. we're not african-americans, indian-americans, we're all americans. viewing people by the color of their skin is the dumbest way to view people. i've written that. i've said that. i think it's -- to view them as being racist. we're not racist. we love our fellow man. we think we're all equal under god's eyes. we simply believe marriage -- we don't believe we should change the definition of marriage simply because of opinion polls

or because of a court that, quite frankly, isn't looking at the constitution. earlier this week scalia said words no longer have meaning in their obamacare decision. you have a court not reading the dictionary. why couldn't the court have said, we're going to respect the decisions made by the state. we're going to defer to the elected representatives of the people. >> i want to go to the launch of your campaign. you don't start -- at least at home, you're not getting a favorite son send-off. your latest poll, sitting at 32% lower than president obama's job rating in the state of louisiana. i put a summary together of what has been republican criticism of your tenure as governor. jennifer ruben conservative columnist of washington post says you suffer from awkward ever-eagerness. one says your campaign doesn't reflect who you really are. eric erickson, influential said,

you throw rhetorical bombs to get noticed. national review called one of your plans -- your health care plan simply would cause millions to lose coverage. you don't deal with that. former republican buddy roemer says when it comes to baton rouge, you've gone awol. what's happened here? why do so many republicans seem concerned/critical of your tenure as governor and your launch here on the national stage? >> well, chuck, two things. if i were afraid of polls, i never would have been elected in two landslide elections, winning the highest percentage in our state's last election for governor. if i were afraid of polls we wouldn't have privatized our charity hospital system, cut over 30,000 state government bureaucrats, wouldn't have done state wide school choice. in louisiana we have more people working than ever before where top ten state for private sector

job creation. when you do that you'll make the big government people unhappy. we've taken on status quo. made big changes. secondly, i said i want to run a campaign where we embrace our principles. established republicans don't want us to do that. jeb bush says we have to lose the primary in order to win the general election. i strongly disagree with you. what some republicans are saying, what jeb bush is saying, we have to hide who we are. nonsense. we don't just need to send a republican to d.c. we need to somebody who will take on conventional wisdom. you cannot shrink the federal government, you cannot balance the budget, you cannot do term limits. if we don't do, that we're done. we can own this next century if we actually implement conservative reforms. i'm not running to manage the decline of this great country. i'm running to make real changings in d.c. >> well, i tell you, your state according to cnbc ranks 45th out

of 50 in 2015 to do business. how do you take that record to conservative republicans and say, make me the person in charge? >> now we're top ten state for private sector jobs, seven years of in-migration. we have more people living and working here in louisiana than ever before. $60 billion 90,000 jobs coming to our state. we ranked higher in every business ranking that has been done since i have taken governor. we're at our highest ranking ever. we've turned the state around. when you look at what was going on post-katrina, many were wondering if they could come back here decades of out-migration. eight different credit upgratsdz. our last credit rating in texas and fewest state employees in decades. we measure success by how people are doing in the reeld world not the government sector. a lot of politicians, republicans and democrats, don't

like that but that's how we measure success. >> we'll see you on the campaign train. governor jindal, thanks for coming on "meet the press." stay safe on the trail, sir. >> thank chuck. coming up -- how ten days in june have cemented president obama's legacy. following the big progressive victories of the '60s they used

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nertscreen time. nobody likes to feel like their on the losing side but conservatives in rural america have found themselves on the losing side this week. hit after hit favoring a progressive tie. highlighting the divide between urban and rural america. it all started wednesday when congress decided to hand president obama a big victory when it comes to trade by paving the way for the transpacific partnership trade deal. but a third of americans overall in our latest poll said free trade hurts the united states. but in rural america, the view on trade is even more pessimistic. half say trade hurts. many rural americans pine for the day when a small factory was the local economic engine.

of course, those days are long gone. thursday came the supreme court's ruling upholding subsidies in the affordable care act. when it comes to the health care law as a whole the country is evenly split. in rural america, no waffling. two-thirds say the law needs to have major changes or be scrapped all together. and then on friday the court ruled same-sex marriage legal nationwide. guess what? a majority of americans supported the action that the court took except in one area of the country, rural america, where support sits just under 50% at 46%. many in rural america may look at this week and say america changing in ways they aren't ready to embrace. if history is any guide, there's going to be a backlash to this rapid social change. or is the backlash temporary? the answer could come during the presidential campaign. i want to bring in the panel.

newt, in some way your political career was a product of the first backlash conservative moment of the silent majority. where is this going? >> first of all, issues change and topics change. president wants us to be deeply concerned about poor children getting a decent education. the city of baltimore spends $130,000 a year for every student who passes the eighth grade math test. yet there's not a single democrat who's prepared to fundamentally reform the school system. 78% of the country said last week they would be for a candidate who wants major change in the federal government. no democrat is going to run a major change. you would have a madison, wisconsin, uprising on the part of the unions. if the issues next year become who's prepared to reshape the federal government, i think the democrats are in big trouble. if it stays on social ydz issues -- >> you're telling the republican party, no matter what the rural

base, don't pander them? >>, no the rural base is deeply opposed to the irs being totally incompetence and the veterans administration unable to serve veterans. preferably if-f you're a conservative, 60% or 70%. that's reagan lesson pu cannot rub with 51% issues and expect to one because they will strip away 6%. you can run with a 70% or 80% issue because no matter what the liberal meet yeah does they can't bring you down. >> more from the panel, very short break. first a reminder, if you can't be in front of your tv to see "meet the press" live. no problem. we're always vanl on demand. you want to pause us as well, catch graphics perfectly and really triple-check our facts there. even if it's not sunday, when it's on the dvr, it's still "meet the press." we'll be back for our "end game segment" and a new perspective

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the press" "end game" brought to you by boeing. with a drive to build something better inspires us every day. >> it's "end game" time and i want to start with something candidate obama said in 2008. kathleen parker, he said -- he compared himself to reagan and not clinton. at the time, it was needles of bill clinton during the primary campaign. he said ronald reagan was transformational. he moved the whole country to accept conservativism, shifted the country to center right. he wanted to be a transformational president. on social issues i would say this week we made a dramatic shift to the center-center left. barack obama transformational? >> well, his administration is certainly transformational. i don't know that he gets all the credit for that. i think the credit has been moving along for 30 40 years toward these more liberal social positions. frankly in reaction to the overreaction of the right of the religious right and the --

beginning with the moral majority. i think he's -- he certainly does get -- it certainly does line up in his column these more progressive positions have occurred under his watch. and this week for heaven's sake has a president ever had a week like this? >> no. the white house is saying that. it's interesting right after the midterms there was this, boy is he a lame duck or dead duck type of conversation when it came to the last two years of his presidency? and he sort of took a -- he says, fine executive action, do things unilaterally. this is the presidency many progressives were upset they didn't see in the first two years they're happy about now. >> he's a very happy duck let me put it that way. he has a lot to make things go guard. and i think back to when ronald reagan was running when i was able to vote. there are a lot of reagan democrats because he had an idea, something new, transformational. this president has something new transformational. i think we're moving in the

right sdrigs dringz. >> he's not a duck. he's a phoenix. if we give credit to reagan, we have to give the credit to obama and represents a growing consensus about what it might mean to be an american by redefining the bound are yousaryies of acceptable. obama's legacy is put forth and can be used as end game. he was down third quarter, and now shooting threes, steph curry. >> the age of obama, we have the reagan era, the obama era -- >> i think obama has an enormous investment in the 2016 presidential campaign because he could be franklin roosevelt and change things permanently or he could be woodrow wilson and within two or three years have an amazing part -- >> look, ronald reagan needed h.w. bush to win that third

term. barack obama needs hillary clinton for the same thing. i have a little fun thing for everybody here. it's on superpacs. one backing carly fiorina had to change its name from carly for america to carly for america. according to federal election rules, a superpac's name cannot include the can't date they support. jewish americans group supporting ted cruz called jews for cruz and had to change their name. carly became this conservative, authentic, responsive for you. so you can be an acronym but not the name, pretty clerver. can't use jews for kriz how about jews for conservative republicans understanding zionism for america. hillary clinton, want to rename your superpac.

you might like this one. marco rubio, the easy one, making america really conservative okay? for america. want ab absurdity of the fec. you laufd at. that's all for today. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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