i'm rayna. and i bank human at td bank. this sunday, is it possible donald trump has finally gone too far? >> you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> the conservative backlash is fierce. donald trump joins me to react. plus i sit down with one of the candidates who helped himself in the gop debate, marco rubio. and our new poll, wait until you see who republican voters thought won the debate. also, a leading democrat says no to the iran deal. so what happens next? i'll ask one of the president's closest senate allies, democrat claire mccaskill. finally, was this the pinocchio moment of thursday night. >> i was appointed u.s. attorney by president bush on september 10th, 2001.

>> boy, that sounds great. but is it true? joining me this morning to provide insight and analysis are david brooks of "the new york times," heather mcghee of demos, nbc's andrea mitchell and radio talk show host, hugh hewitt. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." good morning. when donald trump became a birther and insulted african-americans, a lot of people at the time said that's it for trump. well, it wasn't. when he insulted hispanics, a lot of people said, that's it for trump. it wasn't. when he insulted john mccain, a lot of republicans started to say that's it for trump, and it wasn't. now the latest "that's it for trump" moment, insulting fox news anchor megyn kelly. friday night still smarting from tough and pointed questioning from all the debate moderators on thursday, trump said this of kelly. >> she starts asking me all

sorts of ridiculous questions and, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> immediately erick erickson disinvited trump from his red state gathering in atlanta. >> i don't want my daughter in the room with donald trump tomorrow night, so he's not invited. i'm sorry. >> trump's campaign hit back, calling organizer erick erickson weak and pathetic and saying, quote, mr. trump said blood was coming out of her eyes and whatever, meaning nose. only a deviant would think anything else. some of trump's republican rivals, enthusiastically condemned his remarks. >> come on, give me a break. i mean are we -- do we want to win? do we want to insult 53% of all voters? what donald trump said is wrong. >> i agree with carly that those comments are inappropriate. >> but others, including marco rubio, whom i interviewed yesterday, took a different tact. >> i've made a decision here

with donald trump, if i comment on everything he says, my whole campaign will be consumed by it. that's all i'll do all day. >> i'm joined now on the phone from new york by donald trump. mr. trump, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> well, you've had 24 more hours to reflect on your comments on megyn kelly. any change this morning? do you want to apologize? >>apologize. she asked a very, very -- i thought very unfair question and so did everybody on social media. and i answered the question very well. i won every poll on debates, "time" magazine, grudge, news match, every poll. people thought i won the debate easily. it's sort of an interesting thing. i think they did not like the way i was questioned. and i understand that. i just want to get on. but what i said was totally appropriate, there was nothing wrong. only a ddeviant, and i literall mean that, only a deviant would

think something else. >> let me say you're not making a reference to hormones, you're still making a demonic, animalistic reference with blood in your eyes even with your new dwi incisi definition. >> no, she was very angry. i respect people. she was very angry because i brought up something that got the loudest applause of the day by far and it interrupted her question. all i said was there was blood pouring out of her eyes. and there was blood -- and then i said, you know what, i want to get on to the next sentence because, frankly, i don't have to talk about the blood coming out of her ears and her nose, which is a very common statement. so i said, all right, wherever, let's go. i got on to the next statement. then all of a sudden the next day i wake up and i hear that, you know, somebody took it as something else. only a deviant would think that,

chuck. i didn't even think that. who would think it? hey, i went to the wharton school of finance, i was a great student. i don't talk that way. >> then why can't you just apologize for saying, you know what, i'm sorry some people took it the wrong way. you seem to have an allergy -- you seem to have an allergy toward apologizing. >> no, i apologize when i'm wrong but i haven't been wrong. i said nothing wrong. it's a very common statement. i've said it -- excuse me, i said it about chris wallace. i was there was blood pouring -- because he tried to question me and he's a small shadow of his father, mike. that i can tell you. but i said it about chris wallace. chris wallace came out and i said there was blood pouring out of his eyes. nobody asked me about apologizing. >> you know, i want to read you a comment of somebody who was rather supportive of you. this was a supporter in atlanta. she said this, though. it was in "the washington post." talking about blood and a woman,

it was just inappropriate. megyn kelly is just so well liked by the public. she should have made nice-nice with her. i thought the question was a little offbase, but he took, referring to you, a mosquito bite and turned it into a skin cancer. >> chuck, i would have made nice, i have no problem. and i have no problem apologizing if i'm wrong. but when i say it about chris wallace and there was nothing wrong and then you say it about megyn kelly, is there a double standard? you know, we're talking about everybody being the same. i mean are we talking about double standards? and i don't mind apologizing if something is wrong. the only thing is on the second part of it, i didn't want to waste time going -- i wanted to get on to the next statement because, frankly, it was more important than what i was discussing. so i just cut it short. but i never referred to anything having to do with the other subject matter that a couple of people thought i might have. and then you had this guy erick erickson, who's a total -- he's a known loser. >> let me stop you here for a

minute. because anybody that criticizes you, you've done it to me in the past. when somebody criticizes you, you go after them, you find something in their physical appearance, you go after them personally. why? why is this your tendency? >> chuck, i don't. i don't. maybe more so than most people, but part of the problem we have now is political correctness. we have a country that's in trouble. we have a country where in the middle east they're cutting off -- they're chopping off people's heads if they happen to be a christian and for other reasons also. you look at what's going on at the border, with kate and with all of the problems in san francisco, with all of the problems that we've got, you look at what's going on in the country with crime and with our inner cities, and all they talk about is tone. jeb bush said, well, mr. trump's tone is not -- well, we don't have enough time for tone. we need enthusiasm. we need something -- we need a much tougher tone than we've had because it's not about tone. we have to straighten out our

country, we have to make our country great again and we need energy and enthusiasm. and this political correctness is just absolutely killing us as a country. you can't say anything. anything you say today, they'll find a way to say why it's not good. you know what, chuck. essentially, though, i think we have to get back to work as a country. i heard jeb bush the other day say a terrible thing about women's health issues. he made a horrible mistake. i equate that mistake as being worse than what romney said about the 47%, which possibly cost him the election. i will be fantastic. i have so much respect for women and i will help women in terms of the health issues because it's so important to do that. chuck, i have thousands of women working for me. i have women working at high positions. i was one of the first people to put women in charge of big construction jobs. and, you know, i have had a great relationship with women, and i will help women with women's health issues, unlike

somebody like jeb bush who really made a big mistake and he was later forced to apologize. >> except -- look, let me go back to the premise of megyn kelly's question, which was you have a tendency of disparaging women on looks, and we're seeing all sorts of -- i found ten instances, sometimes in your book, sometimes in your twitter feed. you went after people like bette midler and gayle collins. look, this is what some women find offensive, mr. trump, is that you go to looks. it's a -- it's a disparaging thing. it's something out of "mad men," sir. >> well, some of the things that she should i didn't say and she went through a whole list and this was a hell of a first question, by the way. but i will say this. i was attacked by the people that you talk about. when you mentioned a couple of those names, i was attacked viciously by those people. i don't mean a little bit, i mean viciously. when i'm attacked, i fight back. but i was attacked viciously by those women. of course it's very hard for

them to attack me on looks because i'm so good looking. but i was attacked very viciously by those women. and frankly, again we get back to the words political correctness. am i allowed to defend myself? what they said about me is far worse than what i said about them, chuck. so again, i want to get back to the country. we have such problems. >> yeah. >> we have unemployment that's incredible. we need jobs. we have to take jobs back from china. that's the subjects that i'm good at. and by the way, during that whole debate, which was 24 million people. if i wasn't on, they would have had 2 million people, not 24 million people and everybody admits that. you would have had just another debate that nobody would have watched. so, you know, that's one of those things. but i want to get back to jobs. they didn't ask me one question about jobs. and every single poll said i am by far the best by triple digits, i am by far the best on jobs and the economy. they didn't ask me about jobs or the economy. i want to talk about all of these issues. but a lot of times i don't get

the opportunity because people hit me with questions that don't relate to those. >> maybe the next time we will be able to do issues. >> we will. i hope so, chuck. that's what i want to do, jobs and the economy. that's what i really want to do. >> thank you, sir. we'll talk to you soon. >> thank you. thank you very much. bye. david brooks of "the new york times," heather mcghee, president of demos, our chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell, is covering the hillary clinton campaign and hugh hewitt, radio talk show host who will be among the questioners at the next republican presidential debate next month. hugh hewitt, let me start with you. donald trump got the temperament to be president? >> no. no, he doesn't. disappointing part of this debate was it was a 9/10 debate in a 9/11 world. we have the iran deal coming up, the most consequential deal facing probably the next 30 to 40 years in the world. it got very little attention. the russian cyber attack on the pentagon got very little attention. >> is that the candidates' fault or the organizers' fault? >> it's both. donald stepped on a lot of

important stories. "the new york times" has a story on hillary clinton's server. only scott walker brought up hillary clinton's server. so i thought to build the audience, it was enormous. at the same time i wanted a different issue set talked about so the republican primary vote lo lost. carly fiorina won big-time but the loser was the gop. >> what can damage donald trump, andrea? conventional political gravity doesn't apply to him. >> he's got teflon. if not this, what? gender, what could be more important. 53% of the voters, you drill down on what women care about, what women want. it's insulting, it's rude. he attacks the most popular star on cable tv. >> and conservatives love her. i mean this is where -- this is why some people think this is the straw. it's like he's insulting somebody conservatives have really fallen for on their favorite news. >> the circus depose on. as hugh says, the real issues.

but i'm not persuaded at all that donald trump on the issue of jobs and the economy is what you're really going to hear because look at the way he describes the bankruptcy law. look at the way he talks about jobs. no one has really been able to seriously sit down and interview him about what he knows and what he does. >> david, what you just heard, he doesn't -- he seems to have an allergy to apologizing. i think we all think we know what type of -- you know, but it doesn't seem to apply to us. >> just listening to that interview, it struck me i'm listening to a religious zealot and the guy he worships is donald trump. anybody who is against the god is a blasphemer who has to be cast out. i think he's created a fortress around himself. 20% of the republican at least polled voters are inside the fortress. and they're going to be in that fortress, the walls get higher with each controversy and they're going to stay there, but 80% are never going to go in the fortress. so i think he'll be in the race at 20%.

he'll never get anybody else, but he'll be there in that position. >> what should the other candidates do? what do you think? did you think what jeb bush did yesterday, you know what, you may not support jeb bush but that's what he should do? >> i think it's important to remember that a republican presidential nominee hasn't won women since 1988 so this is a very deep problem with the party. it's not going to be enough for anyone, a commentator or one of the candidates to just disavow trump's sort of interpersonal sexist comments because what we know about a bias against women or anyone else is that it operates at a bunch of different levels. you've got the interpersonal stuff which is easy to bat away. it makes for good commentary. but the right has a problem with institutional bias against women. you look at their vision of a health care system that excludes reproductive care. structural bias against women, looking at the economy that they want. low wage workers who the majority of whom are women are staying in poverty. there's a deeper, deeper problem here than just knees offhand comments.

>> hugh, how does this end? >> carly fiorina is very happy. she won the first debate, she won the second debate, she won the post debate. her tweet yesterday, there is no excuse. she'll be on the stage i think when i'm asking questions by virtue of the bump. but i look at rubio and walker, to a lesser extent kasich and christie and ted cruz. they keep doing what they have been doing, which is talk about these big issues, the ones that andrea are covering. the iran deal. and the trump thing will, as david says, the 20% i think will go to 10%. >> you're wishing it away. hugh, are you wishing it away? >> no, i don't think so. >> i think the deeper problem is if you look at who benefited from this debate it was all the protest candidates, carson, cruz and trump. you look at the governors, they all suffered from this debate. so the party is not in a governing mode, it's in a protest mode. that mode is a somewhat dangerous mode. >> it could be. by the way that's the difference between '64 and '68. '64 for republicans was a protest year. '68 was a governing year.

we're going to pause. guess what, we'll talk more about this throughout the show. much more to get to. there is one candidate that a lot of people felt gained quite a bit in thursday night's debate. he's senator marco rubio of florida, and he's next.

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growing consensus that a few candidates really helped themselves thursday night. carly fiorina, john kasich whom we'll hear from later and my next guest, senator marco rubio from florida. many argue he's the candidate hillary clinton should fear the most because he represents a younger, more diverse republican party. i sat down with him yesterday in miami for a meet the candidate interview and here it is. >> you've got a lot of universal praise for the debate, but i want to get into one specific issue where there has been some questions about a response you had and it's on abortion. i want to just get this clarification. will you support legislation that has exceptions? >> i have. >> anti-abortion legislation -- >> i support any legislation -- >> about rape, incest. >> i'll support any legislation that reduces the number of abortions, so that means a 20-week abortion ban. at five months, a child -- you'll recognize it as a human being in an ultrasound image. and i'll support that. that doesn't obviously cover the whole gamut, but it reduces the number of abortions.

i'll support any legislation that reduces the number of abortions and there are those that have that exception in it. what i've never done is said i require that it must have or not have exceptions. >> why not? why don't you think there should be a requirement of an exception? >> couple of points. first of all, the questions that people ask about those two instances are horrifying. i mean i can't -- a rape is an act of violence. it's a horrifying thing that happens. and fortunately the number of abortions in this country that are due to rape are very small, less than 1% of the cases in the world, but they happen and they're horrifying and they're tragic, and i recognize that. i also recognize that because of the existence of over-the-counter morning after, not to mention medical treatment that's now available immediately after the assault that should be widely available to victims, we can bring that number down to zero. that being said, i personally and deeply believe that all human life is worthy of the protection of our laws, i do. and i believe that irrespective of the conditions by which that

life was conceived or anything else, and for me to be consistent on that belief, that's why i feel so strongly about it. that being said, i recognize that in order to have a consensus on laws that limit the number of abortions, a lot of people wanting to see those exceptions and that's why i've supported those loss in the past, as has every pro-life group in america. >> where is the constitutional line of protection between an unborn child and the mother? >> that's why this issue is so hard. there is no doubt that a woman has a right to her own body, has a right to make decisions about her own health and her own future, there's no doubt. and then there's this other right, and that's the right of a human being to live. those rights come into conflict when it comes to this issue and it's hard. listen, you're 15 years old and you become pregnant and you're scared and you have your whole life ahead of you and you're facing this, that is a hard situation. i tell people don't pretend this is easy, this is a difficult question. but when asked to make a decision between two very hard

circumstances, i personally reach the conclusion if i'm going to err, i'm going to err on the side of life. >> when should public opinion matter in a decision by the president and when should a president decide, you know what, public -- the public doesn't quite understand this issue. i know better. what is that like? >> foreign policy in particular it matters. i think the president's judgment has to somehow be immune to public opinion sometimes because the president has access to information the general public does not. one of the keys to being a good commander in chief is not simply seeing what's in front of you immediately but being able to anticipate a crisis that may happen down the road in three months, in six months, in nine months, what's around the corner. the rise of isis is a perfect example. it's something i repeatedly warned would happen, that there would be a radical jihadist group that would emerge from the vacuum in syria if we didn't do about it, and the p didnresiden didn't. in those instances you can see how quickly public opinion

moves. so the job of a president is to act in the national security of our country based on the information the president has that the general public does not. on domestic issues obviously you still can't be governed by polls, but i do think the will of the voter is important to take into account. i think most important of all on what issues you should be prioritizing on your agenda. >> the iran agreement. let me ask you about what former defense secretary bob gates argued. he was very critical of it but said pulling out of it would be even worse because of the international ramifications. this was five other countries were involved with this. how much should you guys be taking that into account in the u.s. senate. >> we most certainly never want to do anything to undermine our alliances. let me just say the other five countries, two, china and russia have never acted in the interest of the united states and in fact have taken pride in thwarting our national interests around the world. >> so you don't trust them at all. you don't think they should have

been part of the process? >> my point is what russia feels about a deal or anything for that matter should not be determinative of the national security policies of the united states. i think that also applies to others as well. if you look at the other nations that are involved in this process, they were led into that by the united states and became a part of it. and during the negotiations, the french war actually much more aggressive about what the conditions should be than the united states were. but i think it's pretty clear that even among our european allies, their interests is simply to open up the market of iran to their private sector. our interest is different. our interest has to be different because iran is developing long-range weapons, long-range missiles. they are -- and if they become a nuclear power, they can place a nuclear warhead on a long-range missile capable of reaching the united states. i think we have a vested interest in the outcome of this that is perhaps different than some of our european allies in the long term. >> more than half of the money that's been raised on your behalf, some super pacs, some in

your personal campaign, come from about less than ten donors total. what do you owe those donors? how is it that you don't -- you say you don't owe them. we've heard people make this argument. aren't they going to expect something in return. >> i don't think so. first of all, i can't deal with those donors because they're involved with the super pac and i can't coordinate with any outside groups. second, i've always been clear my entire time in politics, whether on the city commission in west miami, the state legislature, speaker of the house, running for senator or now for president, i have an agenda. it's a consistent agenda. people buy into my agenda. if if they like what i say, they dona donate. if they don't, they go with somebody else. >> so norman braman, a friend of your family, huge donor, he doesn't get special actre acces the white house? >> no. norman has never asked me to do anything for his business interests or anything else. >> let's take you at your word. should republicans take the clintons at their word about the clinton foundation?

>> i think the concern about the clinton foundation many people have is the outside foreign donors that have given to that. >> their argument is a similar argument. this is for charitable causes, for rebuilding haiti, to stop aids in africa and that's not having an influence. >> so i think the concern there is when you have foreign entities donating millions of dollars to a foundation for a family, while someone is the sitting secretary of state and then you can link that to decisions that were favorable to interests in those countries, there's a concern raised. >> ultimately how do you prevent that from happening in your administration? >> i don't have a foundation. >> how do you build a firewall to have this trust. >> i think the best way to do is to trust what you stand for. say this is what i do it and you do it whether someone donated to your campaign or not. that's the way i have always governored myself. i never allow financing issues to determine where i stand on an issue. >> we have a question from facebook. ryan love skz how does senator

rubio feel about states legalizing marijuana? >> well, i said i'm open to medicinal uses of anything. if it goes through the fda process and you come up with a proven medicinal benefit to that substance, i'm open to that. i'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana, i'm not. i never have been. >> so states that have, would you then use federal -- the federal government to supersede those state laws? >> the federal government needs to enforce federal law. >> right now the law on the books says colorado -- you can make an argument with colorado and washington -- >> i believe the federal government should enforce federal law. >> senator rubio, thank you, sir. >> there's a lot more of my interview with senator rubio. libya, his tax plan and also surprising support for iuds. all of that on our website, meetthepress.com. up next, our new poll, what who won thursday night's debate? somebody not on stage, and where does the race stand next.

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welcome back. president obama has been making the hard sale on the iran nuclear deal this week. in a speech in washington he compared republican critics to iranian hard liners but he received a major blow when one of the senior members of his own party, senator schumer released a statement saying he would not support the deal. claire mccaskill hasn't made up her mind, and also author of a new book. we'll get to that later. why haven't you decided yet? what are you waiting for? >> i'm trying to methodically go through and contact all of the countries that hold iran's money right now. one thing that keeps getting tossed out there is if we do this deal, they're going to get $150 billion. the number is more like $60 billion. >> it's a lot of money. >> it's a lot of money. the question s what happens if we don't do the deal, chuck? what happens? will those countries continue to respect the sanction regime?

that money is held primarily in india, china, south korea, japan. i'm on the phone to those countries, those embassieembass those ambassadors, asking them the question, what will you do if the united states walk as way? will iran get the money anyway? that's something we have to consider as we make a final decision. >> if these countries say, they're not going to get the money if the u.s. walks away, does that make you incliped to support the deal? >> it's not a perfect deal. we don't trust iran. so many people are judging this deal against the status quo. not what the new situation would be on the world stage. remember, the world is united in this deal. the world is united in this deal. so, it's going to have to be a status quo where the rest of the world also stays united or sanctions regime will fall apart. >> let me get your reaction to how the president is campaigning this deal. let me play you a clip from a speech earlier this week.

>> you're going to hear a lot of arguments against this deal. backed by tens of millions of dollars in advertising. if the rhetoric in these ads and accompanying commentary sounds familiar, it should. for many of the same people who argued for the war in iraq are now making the case against the iran nuclear deal. >> it's not just republicans against this deal. chuck schumer, i mean, he's making almost a warmonger argument here. is that fair? is that fair to democratic skept ibs? you're not there. do you like hearing that? do you feel pressured by that rhetoric? >> i don't think any of us feel rhetoric by either chuck schumer's rejection of this deal or the president's full-throated support of this deal. i hope my colleagues are doing what i'm doing, their homework. they insisted on 60 days to review this deal. most of them made their mind up in about five minutes. this is one where the heightened rhetoric on both sides is not

always hopeful. i hope more senators keep their blinders on, do their homework and figure out which way do we secure israel and secure our country? by doing this deal and if we don't do the deal, what does the world look like? >> did the president, though, make the best case he could have or could he have done it better? >> i think he is pushing hard. and i respect that he feels very strongly about this. i think always when these decisions are hard, maybe less is more. >> when it comes to rhetoric. let me move quickly. do you want to see vice president get in? you're a hillary clinton supporter but do you think it would be helpful for the party if joe biden got in? >> i would never presume to tell joe biden what to do, or bernie sanders, for that matter. our party has many primaries and we've survived and done well. we had a rip roaring primary in 2008. >> that was good for the party. >> i think it was. i think this may end up being

good for hillary clinton. >> if joe biden gets in and -- >> i think if bernie stays in, and if joe were to get in, i don't think it's going to hurt hillary clinton because i think joe biden and hillary clinton agree on almost everything. i worry about -- >> are you concerned about his candidacy? >> i am not. i think when the smoke clears and the circus leaves town, americans want strong, stable leadership and a fighter. if there's anything hillary clinton has shown in her career, she's a fighter. >> your memoir "plenty ladylike" is a lot on todd aiken. what's interesting when watching -- there's been some fear in the republican party that donald trump will become their todd aiken. when you watch that, is that what you fear, are rooting for? >> a little bit. honestly, a little bit. i think he has some aiken-esque qualities to him in terms of his mouth. but there's a big difference. i will say this about todd aiken, he was a sincere man who held sincere beliefs.

he had no filter but he was principled. i don't think that's true with donald trump. i think donald trump is bluster. i don't think the things he says are rooted in anything other than a demand for attention. >> claire mccaskill, the book is "plenty ladylike," you'll spend your august recess not recessing. >> when you read this book i'll figure out, i'm not running for president. >> those are my favorite memoirs. >> there's too much stuff in here. >> now you made me really want to read the book. thank you. we'll be back with one more candidate who hopes his thursday night's debate will vault him. can donald trump's candidacy survive? we'll go back to the panel one more time. when and why they think donald trump will ultimately go trump will ultimately go belly-up or why so you're a small business expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere.

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welcome back. thursday's republican presidential debate was held in cleveland, home of the cleveland cavaliers. guest john kasich took advantage of home court advantage. a bit of a dark horse, slowly gaining in the polls, particularly in new hampshire. governor kasich joins us now. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good to be with you, chuck. >> i've got to start with the elephant in the room here. donald trump, is he consuming this campaign right now? >> you know, chuck, it's really funny. this doesn't seem to bother me. in regard to the women of issue, listen, i have strong women in my family. i've had, you know, i have strong women in my

administration and my campaign manager is a woman. i've always found that whenever women touch anything, they always make it a little bit better. so it's unfortunate what's happened here. it's up to me to tell people about me and not be worrying about somebody else. >> i understand that, but the republican party at some point -- at what point does what trump's doing damage the entire party? >> i don't kind of look at it that way. i think at the end of the day, you have a nominee. the nominee is the person that reflects the views of the republican party. all the things that go on in these primaries are simply things that are, you know, that go on today but forgotten tomorrow. so, you know, take a look at the democrat side. you got bernie sanders out there. hard left. at the end of the day, he won't. it will be the nominee. if he's the nominee, which would be great because i think we would win 49 out of 50 states,

then it's a different situation. but i don't have people coming up to me saying, oh, well, you're republican, therefore, you think this or that. i think the way i want to think. i have a right to define what i think the republican party is, chuck. >> all right. well, let's go to your debate performance. "time" magazine, he could be the gop's pope francis candidate. an interesting way to describe you. do you take that as a compliment? >> well, i love the pope. look, who am i to criticize the pope? i think he's strong on the economics about redistribution of wealth because i think free enterprise has lifted more people out of poverty than any system known to man. his inclusiveness, his wanting to say we should focus on the dos that the lord wants us to do, rather than the don'ts. i agree with all that. i like it. i think he's sensitive to the environment. so am i. le lord gave us the virnlt.

we're not here to worship it but we are here to manage it. i want to meet the pope but i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that, chuck. to me, that's a compliment, sure. >> you brought up the environment. he's somebody who believes climate change is man made and man needs to do something about it. do you agree with him? >> well, i think man absolutely affects the environment. as far as what the impact is, the overall impact, i think that's a legitimate debate. what i do think, in my state of ohio, you know, we preciously take care of lake erie. we've reduced emissions by 30% over the last ten years. we believe in alternative energy. so of course we have to be sensitive to it, but we don't to want destroy people's jobs based on some theory that's not proven. >> what do you say to conservative activist erick erickson who did not invite you, and he is pretty disparaging about you as a potential nominee? >> you know, i don't know that

i've ever met him. i was sort of chuckling this morning. i wasn't invited to this event, but i don't know why anybody would be mad at me who's never met me. i'm sure if he calls and talks to me, we can work it out. from time to time, people get upset. i don't hold anything against him. i'm up in new york, meekt with a lot of potential donors. i'm headed to new hampshire on -- in fact, tomorrow. >> well, that's a state i imagine you'll spend a lot of time in. john kasich, governor of ohio, big performance on thursday night. thanks for coming on for a quick check-in here on "meet the press." >> thanks, chuck. thanks very much. >> the panel is here. hugh hewitt, is there a disconnect between how the mainstream media folks have looked at john kasich and our polling which showed no bump for john kasich? a disconnect? >> i have great affection for

man of my home state. he has a reagan-esque quality. they will play very well. i think he will have to up his combativeness with hillary, as does jeb bush. they both have combativeness deficits when they go after hillary. she destroyed 30,000 e-mails. they should talk about that every day. >> heather mcghee, president of demos. are you fearful of john kasich as republican nominee versus hillary clinton? >> no. i think his brand of compassionate conservativism, expanding mental health crisis, gets him in the door where a lot of americans are, which is anxious about economic ina qualitity. half of americans couldn't pay a $400 bill without going in debt or selling something. they had very little to say for

working class americans. >> that goes to the organizers, which was hugh's point about questions -- very quickly. >> i think hillary clinton in some ways, because the e-mail controversy was not explored very adequately by the questioner, and also because of the focus on gender, is one of the beneficiaries of what happens. >> i think have argued as rubio and kasich, that's scary to hillary. >> i'll be in new hampshire with her tomorrow. i'll be surprised if at a town hall meeting this doesn't come up. >> general election message, what john kasich has, which is why there is this universal going, hey, that'sagenda. every time he deviates to religious voters. you go with the best political skills. who has the best political skills? right now that's marco rubio.

he's the most talented politician. we saw it in your interview. handled tough questions. maybe he's too polished, too young. >> jeb bush's reaction at red state last night be, he said, this is going to lose us the election. he didn't say it was wrong. he didn't criticize donald trump on the merits. i agree marco rubio is the most politically skilled actor on the staining. whether or not he's the best general election candidate? i don't know. i think kasich showed some chomps and -- >> rubio or kasich? >> keep them all and vote for scott walker because he's doing very well with the base. >> we'll get back to you in a second right after the break. we've got more. remember, if you can't see "meet the press" live, we're always available on vod or some call it the vcr button you push to record us all the time. coming up, our end game

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