the race for top cop in pennsylvania. the buzz finally moves from the kathleen kane conviction to the candidates who want her old job. state attorney general. today we'll talk with the democratic nominee josh shapiro. gun locks. officials say they're the key to preventing deadly accidents. plus, new rules for philadelphia gun owners. and pain at the pump. a whopping number of local drivers pay too much when they gas up. find out how you may be able to lower your fuel tabbie up to 25% the next time you need gas. good morning, i'm rosemary connors for nbc 10 @issue. in pennsylvania, kathleen kane has dominated the headlines when it comes to the attorney general's office even though she's not a candidate in

november. last month, kane resigned. the case seemed to steal the thunder from the current a.g. race. the candidates for pennsylvania attorney general are republican john rafferty and democrat josh shapiro. rafferty is the current four-term state senator in pennsylvania. he represents parts ofberg burk chester and montgomery county. senator rafferty was our guest last week on @issue. his campaign is focusing on experience as a form attorney general. >> people are making sure the right person in there. we can't have someone with less experience than kathleen kane. >> joining me now is the democratic nominee for pennsylvania attorney general, josh shapiro. he's a montgomery county commissioner and former member of the pennsylvania house. thanks for being with us. >> great to be back with you. >> last week john referty w ttt

transferty was on nbc 10 @issue. he believes the republican vote is going to be stronger in the state than the pundits are predicting. are you concerned at all that pennsylvania may swing red instead of blue? >> not at all. but i'm focused on being the people's attorney general and getting that message out across the commonwealth in pennsylvania. talking about how i'll protect people's rights and use my executive experience to clean up the mess in the technological's office. talking about my plan to restore integrity. i'm not focused on being a political pundit. i'm focussed on gepting my message out to the people of pennsylvania, telling them where i stand, what i'll do to fight for them. pennsylvanians don't want people to talk about politics all the time, they want people to talk about solutions and they want people with a record of getting things done fighting for them as their next attorney general. >> you've touched on cleaning up who the attorney general's office. there's a lot of public

attention and i imagine there has to be low morale. what will you do to make things better? >> two points. first, i took over montgomery county as the first democrat to lead montgomery county in 150 years. we faced the morale issue, we faced all kinds of challenges. by every objective standard we have turned montgomery county around. i think it requires strong leadership and an action plan and it needs a commitment to integrity. that's why on day one i'll ask everyone in that office from the lawyers on down to the executive assistants to sign a code of conduct to go through mandatory ethics trainings, we'll ban gifts for everyone in the office, including the attorney general. we'll make sure we have a special commission focused on just looking at the operations of the attorney general to make sure that it is functioning effectively and ethically. you know, many i wife about i have four little kids and she has a saying in the house "speed of the leader, speed of the group." so i'm playing wild with my kids, they're going to play wild, too. if i'm acting serious, they'll act serious. and what that office needs now is executive leadership and know

how and someone who will set the proper tone for that office and i know how to do it and that's exactly what i will do. >> you've been touting your executive leadership and experience as a montgomery county commissioner. your opponent has pointed out the fact you've never been a prosecutor. how do you respond to that? >> i think he doesn't understand what the job is and i have a unique background to lead this office. i'm the only candidate running with executive experience. i'm the only candidate running with a report cord of integrity ethics. i'm the only candidate running that has a plan. i want to be the people's attorney general. i've talked about how we'll combat the heroin epidemic, how we'll finally protect families who are paying 700% more for epipep ep epipens to care for their kids who have serious allergy. how we'll hold frackers and pore polluters accountable when they pollute our drinking water. i have a specific plan on how i'll be the people's attorney general and i have executive experience and know how to get it done by. opponent has been an inside

harrisburg politician for years. he's been a captive of the special interest and has no record of accomplishment in these areas and i'm someone who has stood up time and time again to take on the gun lobby, be able to make our streets safer, to protect a woman's right to choose, to stand up and protect the rights of our lgbtq brothers and sisters in pennsylvania. my opponent's record is diametrically opponents s oppo. there are clear differences. >> you touched on the heroine epidemic. it's something you and your opponent have focused on in terms of an issue that you you want to tackle as attorney general. what are you prepared to do? >> well, we both talked about it. i've done something on it. in montgomery county, as the leader of the county three years ago we saw this as an emerging threat and created a specific task force made up of human services as well as law enforcement to deal with it and it's working. one thing we have to recognize to combat this is you can't

arrest your way out of this crisis. someone who is non-violent and a drug addict needs treatment not incarceration. my plan is very complex. we'll work with our medical community to get them to reduce the overprescribing of opioids. mandate they participate in a database so folks can't doctor shop. have drop boxes where people can get rid of the unused medicine in their cabinet, 20% of which are opioids. arm our first responders with narcan and make sure we are tough with attorneys general of other states to stem the flow of heroin into pennsylvania's borders. i know we can do it. we've seen success in montgomery county and i want to do it at the state level. >> you talk about treatment being a part of this. where do the insurance companies come into play? >> the insurance companies can't price gouge our first responders when it comes to getting narcan, the antidote to a heroin

overdose. at the same time, they have a responsibility like the pharmaceutical companies do to stop overprescribing and stop creating incentives toor prescribe opioids. we have to be more serious about that. the heroin opioid epidemic claiming more lives in pennsylvania than anything else. it used to be car accidents, now heroin and opioids are. recent poll had 43% of people in pennsylvania know someone who's addicted to heroin or died from an overdose. this is affecting everywhere. all across the commonwealth where i travel. we have got to be far more serious about understanding there's a law enforcement component but there's a social services component and as attorney general i'll bring both to the table to tackle this crisis. >> it was just released that you and your campaign have raised more money running for this office than any other candidate who has run for attorney general, for state attorney general. although we haven't seen a lot of campaign ads on television. certainly we've seen plenty of trump/clinton adds, mcgin

mcginty/too maniy -- toomey adds. >> we have a great plan. we know how to execute that. we came through a contested primary in order to get through this point so we're comfort in the direction this campaign is going in, very comfort in how we'll execute our plan over the next 40 days. >> we've heard you talk about national candidates take on national candidates like donald trump, talk about national issues. some of your critics seem to think that this may be a way to draw attention nationally to you and to your race. last week when john rafferty was here he said that while he is in office if elected state attorney general he would not pursue a run for a higher office. >> to me, a.g. stands for attorney general. it doesn't stand for aspiring governor. i have pledgedly serve four years and if reelected i will serve four years. it's important for the people of the commonwealth to know you have to make the right decisions for the right rjs. >> can you say the same thing? >> of course. what i won't do a take a silly

pledge he's put out there. the only pledge i'll take is the people of pennsylvania, to be the people's attorney general, to deal with scams against senior, to deal with the heroin epidemic, to deal with getting illegal guns off our street. that's what people care about. but of course i'm going to ask the people of pennsylvania to be their attorney general i have every intention of serving out this term and god willing i'll be a successful attorney general for them. people want their leaders to focus on them and focus on the things that they need to make their community safer. that's what i've done throughout this whole campaign and that's what i'll do as attorney general, not the silly political gimmicks my opponent is known for. >> part of your campaign you have focused on john rafferty's support of donald trump. if the republican vote is high in pennsylvania -- it still is a swing state -- could that backfire? >> i this i the fact that he has embraced donald trump and his xenophobic views, his homophobic views, many of the things he has said in this campaign which have been unbelievably -- not only controversial but incredibly insensitive, the fact my

opponent has thought to wrap himself around donald trump shows just how far out of step he is with the voters in pennsylvania, particularly in this region. certainly as we mentioned during the beginning of our conversation is the kathleen kane scandal, obviously dominated headlines over the summer. in some ways seemingly eclipse part of this race at least for the front end of it, how do you bring the focus back to the issues and bring it back to your message? >> i've been talking about being the people's attorney general throughout the entire campaign. obviously the issues that you discuss are central to her and have nothing to do with me. they want to know in their next attorney general what they're going do to make their communities safer. what they'll do to tackle the heroin epidemic, protect them from scams, to restore integrity to the office. they're more interested in my plans for doing that than any sideshows. josh shapiro, candidate for pennsylvania attorney general, thank you for being with us. >> that you can, rosemary. next on nbc 10 " @issue" new

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. got a gun, think your child doesn't know where you keep it? if you said yes, you could be dead wrong. research from the children's hospital of philadelphia finds a whopping 73% of kids under the age of 10 know where their parents keep their guns and nearly 40% admit to handling them when their parents aren't around. the research finds there is a simple way to lower the risks of your kids accidentally firing the guns in the house by more than 30%. we're talking about child proof safety lox. joining me now are city council president daryl clark and

sheriff joel williams. thank you for being here. let's talk about the problems. talk about the zoep of this. >> well, over the last several years in terms of recording of actual incidents, upwards of 300 children, siblings or other individuals have been shot and murdered as a result of gunshots, people getting access to weapons and unfortunately discharging them by accident. they should not have had those guns so we in city council working with the administration put together legislation that would create these child safety provision bills that require that you have the gun in a lock box. you have a gun in a location where it's not accessible to children under 18 and we actually put in that earlier provision of requiring gun locks for all weapons in a household where a child is under 18. the law department through their infinite wisdom said the bill might be less defensible because we anticipate the national rifle association will obviously challenge our ability to enact

their own gun laws, asked us to take that out. as a result of that, we worked with sheriff williams and another of other advocates and we came up with a what we believe has proven to be an extremely successful program called the gun lock program. >> right. and as council president clarke just mentioned, sheriff, that's where you come in on this. you're trying to get gun locks in the hands of all philadelphia gun owners. >> yes, we want anyone or anyone who knows someone who has a weapon or a gun that they should lock it up. if you've got a gun, get a look. that's what's important to make people safe and the public safe. >> to be clear, council president clarke, in terms of the bill it's not required to have a gun lock. what is required is that people need to store their weapons that their kids can't get to them. but in the sort so meantime you guys are hoping people will take advantage of this free gun lock program. >> yeah, i mean, the bill is law signed by the mayor so right now there's a $300 penalty if it's

found that you have a weapon in the household with a child under 18 years of age. the gun lock provision, as i said earlier, is something that we're strongly recommending, that the sheriff has done, his team has gone out and some of the advocates have gone out, and i'm telling you the response has been overwhelming. it tells you two things, one, you have a lot of responsible people because they're seeking the opportunity to get a lock, the other thing that tells you is that there are a lot of people with weapons in the household. >> two points to that. one in terms of come bliens the law itself and also with the extension or this added bonus of being able to pick up these gun locks, do you think people are -- will do it? >> absolutely. the sheriff has actually sent his team out to a number of events. we had one two weeks ago up in the community that i'm from, strawberry mansion, and they set the table up and people were coming and getting the gun locks, asking how you use them. this team has been out giving people an understanding that it's relatively easy. i'm excited about this, the

opportunity to make sure that these gun remain safe in these environments. >> sheriff, something that the council president just pointed to and spoke about was the fact that what you're finding in some of these events is that there are a lot of guns in households. >> well, we have a lot of people, particularly people are sending their children out for an overnight or play date for children that the question now is do you have any weapons in your house? >> sure. >> and if you do have weapons there have been parents who came and got several gun locks and they'll take the lock and give it to the person watching their child overnight. and say if you have a gun, lock those guns up. and we're getting a response, the councilman said everywhere we're going people are asking how they can use the gun lock, how can they get them and what is the best way to keep your weapon safe and one of the other points that was made is separating the ammunition from the gun.

and that will lower the amount of suicides and road rage. if a person has to spend time getting the gun lock off, maybe we save someone's life on both ways. >> in terms of people showing up to these events, do they have to provide proof the gun is legal or can they just come up and take the material that they need? >> we don't care if it's legal or illegal. we don't care. we want to make those guns safe and if we can get that gun to get safe then we're protecting people. >> and it was actually a conversation that w some people early on, well, somebody might take it and sell it. i said well, they're only going to sell it to somebody that's going to use it to lock up a gun, i'm okay with that. there's a specific purpose for these gun locks and we answer patriot people will use them for that purpose. >> in terms of the law itself, it doesn't require people to have the gun locks, we want people to get the gun locks but

they have to store them. what happens if people don't comply with that? >> there's currently a $300 penalty in the code and unfortunately on a number of occasions in the city of philadelphia it resulted in murders. and it's extremely unfortunate, these children, as statistics show, they figure out a way to find where they are. and this notion is that if i have a lock on it i won't get to the gun in time if someone breaks in my house. the numbers don't show that. an overwhelming number of burglaries are when you're not home. so if you have to leave the household when your children is there, put a gun lock on it, it won't be a big issue with respect to you being able to access your weapon. you'll figure out how to get that weapon but the statistics show that's not the case. >> and in terms of compliance

you unfortunately don't find out about it until there is an accident. >> that may not necessarily be the case but for whatever reason there's a situation where a law enforcement officer happens to be in the household, sees that there's weapons it's not locked and that person can be fine. but we're hoping and we are seeing in large numbers that people are responsible and at the end of the day if provided that opportunity to get the gun lock, they're taking that. >> philadelphia city council president darrell clarke and jewell williams, we appreciate. if you are interested in picking up a free gun lock, you can do it from 8:30 in the morning until 4:30 in the afternoon or call that hotline, the number on your screen, 215-686-3572. next on nbc 10 "@issue," pain at the pump.

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