diversit diversity. all of us are under attack. we need to stand up to together as happened in the '60s. [ applause ] >> good morning. welcome to nbc 10@issue. the mayor talked more than numbers as he introduced his budget. he got personal about what he believes is happening and how he wants the city to respond to what he calls an attack. he is our guest this morning and he doesn't hold back. thank you so much for joining us. let's start by talking about budget address that you made this week. i'm going to start from the bottom up. because you were talking about the budget, but you also took the opportunity at the end to go

off your prepared script and talk about some things that were personal. you also said that those in philadelphia were under attack. what do you think that attack is? what do you mean by that? >> i think the residual of the trump affect that a person who never -- we never thought would become president and godspeed to him. there is a need to replicate in some official minds in washington and harrisburg the successful trump affect. so they are playing to the things that he brought forward in the campaign, like xi na phobia and misogyny and not liking diversity and trying to keep people apart and keep people at each other. that's not what is in the best interest of our city or country. hoping that at some point in time the electorate nationally will understand that they have made a mistake and that we have

to go back to an understanding and caring country that looks out for each other. throwing people off of health care and throwing people out of the country and shutting down the doors and building walls and ostracizing people because of religion and ethnicity is not what -- is not in the best interest of this country and it's not what this country is about. >> how has that election changed your job? has is it different than it was six months ago? >> well, i mean, in addition to presidential executive orders, which aren't really clear on what the effects are on the city, i have people in harrisburg who feel like they want to replicate the trump affect and start micromanaging how we run our city. what i would like them to do is concentrate on a fair funding formula for our schools, charter school reimbursement, getting our children educated as opposed to worrying about pay equity bills and sank actuary cities. >> you mentioned sanctuary cities.

because of philadelphia's status, there could be hundreds of millions of dollars in jeopardy, both on federal side and on the state side. how are you -- are you willing to lose that money? >> went d >> we don't know that yet. it's not specific. they have more control or input into how we run our government. they have not been specific on what they would take away or not take away. the bottom line is, you can't -- if you can disagree with me or disagree with people about a philosophy. but the end result is not taking money away from human services or children, not taking money away from police, not taking money away from schools. who are they punishing? philadelphia in the southeast region of pennsylvania provide the lion's share of revenue to the state of pennsylvania. to pick on the largest generator of revenue to the commonwealth as far as an urban area is concerned i think because they disagree with our philosophy of respecting people's rights and

not holding people in jail in violation of the fourth amendment and respecting people's first amendment rights, that doesn't make us bad people. why they have a need to fixate on that i don't know. >> how far are you willing to go s go? would you be willing to give up that money? >> i would suspect that a federal judge -- my standard is if a federal judge tells us we have to make changes i will abide by the federal court, respect the federal court. but i'm not going to take that from a tin horn dictator or from someone in the legislature. we have rights and protections that we are protected by the courts. the first amendment to the constitution is important because it's the first amendment, obviously, the founding fathers thought it was important. people have a right to express their views. the fourth amendment says you can't be held against your will without charge or warrant.

what the president of the united states and what some members of the legislature are telling me to do is to violate the fourth amendment to the constitution. you know, it's federal law. but there are federal laws in our country's history that people violated and challenged. there was -- there were laws in states around our country that said that a black person couldn't sit at a lunch counter or ride on public transit or live in a particular neighborhood or go to a particular school. those were all challenged and they were all violated by people of good will who thought the laws were unjust. this is an unjust law. we need to challenge it and we need to fight against it and resist being overwhelmed by people who want to live in a more authoritarian country. >> if the state or federal government pursued this, you would take them to court? >> yes. that's the only place we have protection. you saw what the ninth circuit did and others throughout the country when it came to the travel ban. there are right thinking people in washington and in harrisburg. i look at people like john mccain and others who must be

going, you know what, i didn't go to vietnam and spend my time in the hanoi hilton to have this guy who had five draft deferments push everybody in this country around. they gave -- they are giving him a chance in the first 100 days to do the right thing. at some point i believe that moderate republicans and democrats will come together and step up and say, this is enough. >> how do you keep track of all of the changes? there have been different policy changes coming down. there have been hints at policy changes coming down. how on a daily basis do you keep track of it? >> i can't keep track of what's not clear. if you read the president's executive orders on a number of orders, they're not specific. where would the money come from? what would be de-funded? what's the nexus between the de-funding and what they think we should be doing? are they going to take money away from police? that's not been the republican theme of de-funding police departments. they argue that sanctuary cities

create a chaotic mayhem of crime. we're at the lowest crime rate in 30 years. we're a sanctuary city. our crime does not come from immigrants either documented or undocumented for the most part. what's happening on the streets of philadelphia and other cities is gun violence. there seems to be no appetite in washington or harrisburg to curb the access to guns that's causing the crime in the first place. >> president trump has talked about philadelphia. he talks about -- >> he said i'm doing a bad job, whatever. how do you know me? you don't know me. he is talking about chicago. chicago is suffering for lots of reasons. the issue is, it's all about poverty. it's all about the results of poverty. poverty is created by the fact that we're not educating our kids the way we should be. no one wants to pay for it. >> he said he doesn't know you. would you talk to him. >> it would be interesting and funny. if he wanted to talk to me, i

would do it. he's the president of the united states. i'm not seeking any audience any time soon. >> are there things that he could help philadelphia with? >> absolutely. >> what could -- he has talked about giving police more tools. he has talked about infrastructure. what could he give philly? >> infrastructure, mass transit, bridges, roads, educational institutions. he could be helping with cte programs, career technical training programs. there's lots of things the federal government could help us with. they could help us get illegal guns off the street and they can help us reduce crime that way. it doesn't seem to be the popular theme that got trump elected. that is divide people, make people afraid of each other, demonize one or two or three groups of people and allow the folks out there who want -- who harbor anger to go out and act out that anger. you have seen that in the jewish cemetery, people drawing --

writing swastikas. you saw a puerto rican man beaten up by two biker guys. he is an american. because their president wants him to go back to mexico where he came from. this gives license and authority for people to do the things they are doing. it's wrong and dangerous. it's not making our country look good at home or abroad. >> there's also results in protests here in the city. i know according to city stats, cost in overtime and police efforts, $2.9 million from the election through mid february. if it continued at that pace, would we like at $12 million in a year. can you afford that? >> no. can we afford not to do it? no. we have to keep people safe. we have to -- the first amendment of the constitution is the first because it's important. we need to keep people safe. people have a right and a

responsibility to express themselves. our police are professionals when it comes to dealing with public outrage and public protest. we don't arrest people. we keep people safe. we encourage people to express their opinions. i will tell you, if they want to have an affect in addition to marching, they can volunteer in one of our community schools, they can volunteer at a veterans group, volunteer at a homeless shelter and put that energy into productive things that will make our community better. >> talk a little bit about the budget. first of all, when you made the budget, did you have a backup in mind, a backup plan in mind if that sanctuary city -- >> no. >> money did not come through? >> it's hard to have a backup when you don't know if it's going to happen and you don't know where they would take the money from and what is the nexus and rational for defending x, y or z and whether the court would protect us. i would think a federal -- if

the president was trying to force me to violate the fourth amendment to the constitution, the federal court may have something to say about that. this is very simply solved. there is this belief that somehow we let violent criminals back into society. if there's a violent criminal and the federal government wants him or her, they have presented us with a warrant and we turn the person over. all they have to do is go to the courthouse. there are magistrates and immigration judges in there, there are circuit judges in there who can sign a warrant, come to our prison and we will turn the person over to you. for them to expect us to hold someone without charge and sometimes in violation of a judge's order to release that person, a lot of these people have releases. they have been released by a judge. i'm going to say, never mind, judge, i'm not going to release that person because ice wants me to hold them for 72 hour ss? i'm not going to it unless a federal judge makes me do it. >> next, we talk budget,

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we don't know what's coming out of harrisburg. every day, it's something different. and it's not good. >> welcome back. we're talking to philadelphia's mayor. he just introduced a new budget. his priority, he tells us it's marginalized poor who are suffering. >> our homeless situation is on the rise. a lot is due to the opioid crisis. there are 900 plus doctors in our city who feel it's appropriate to make money on the backs of people by giving the prescriptions for drugs they don't need. then when they run out of those prescriptions, they turn to heroin. sometimes laced with fentanyl that kills them. we need to help them out. we need to get the homeless into safe and secure places. we have lead poisoning issues that we need to deal with our young folks in neighborhoods that are older and lead piping is still there. the opioid crisis, we have people living on train tracks. we need to get those folks in a

safe condition. we're trying to deal with issues that poor people and poverty are exacerba exacerbating, poor people's plight is exacerbated by the poverty. >> there wasn't a lot of room for big projects this year. >> we had a big rproject last year. we're fighting that in court. we're moving forward. nine community schools, 25 total is our goal. a robust, amazing robust, historic investment in parks, recreation and libraries. >> some of that -- those bond s will not go out until the litigation -- >> we expect that to have some -- april, may, june. >> do you have a backup plan for that? you committed to those. >> we will do less. the greedy beverage industry doesn't want to back up. we are the only jurisdiction in america they are suing. pepsi-cola announced yesterday

they will lay off 80 to 100 people. $6 billion in profit. has a ceo, a woman which i'm happy she's making a lot of money, she makes $25 million a year base. they have spent $11 million in fighting the soda tax during the legislative process. they are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars every month in lobbyists and lawyers to fight it in court. why they are taking it out on their employees working in ab bottling plant, i don't know. >> it's affecting employees. what would you say to those employees? >> what i would say is, the company you work for is not loyal to you. the company you work for is more concerned about their $6 billion in profits than in your continued livelihood. >> is this the cost of doing business that you expected? >> this is fear moneri eis fear using employees for escape goats

that you don't want the tax to be approved. >> were you expecting it? >> no. i can't -- i don't make decisions for them. they decided that over the course of generations they have advertised and sold a sugar sweetened product which gives u.s. d you diabetes and heart disease in poor neighborhoods. we were asking for a portion to help educate our kids. they think their profits are more important. >> what has the soda tax beverage tax fight been like for you? this was the first big clashes of your administration. what was it like? >> there's three big industries in country that make a lot of money and cause a lot of farm. tobacco and soda and pharma. it was -- i didn't think in the beginning when it was raised as

a way to fund pre-k that we would have been successful. >> you didn't think it would work? >> i was skeptical. but we worked very hard. we were very honest with our information. they were very dishonest. i didn't know if we would get nine votes to pass it. we got 13. i was very happy and thankful to counsel for their courage. they put up with a lot of stuff during the course of that campaign. during the course of the legislative fight. i get up every morning and i'm looking at negative ads from the soda companies than when i was running for mayor. they had the money. they can do what they -- try to do what they want. in the end, we had pre-k parents, advocates, people who wanted to see the rec centers restored. people committed to community schools. we had the grass-roots people. they paid. we had the regular people. >> have you talked to other cities? >> seattle is trying to do it

now. albuquerque, new mexico. there's a number of states who had referendums to do it. i wouldn't need the beverage tax if harrisburg fully funn funded education. but under the corbett administration, philadelphia schools $1 billion. i need new and innovative sources of energy. if the commonwealth and university governmeunited states would provide. we spend hundreds of millions of dollars in misery because our kids have not been educated properly and don't have an opportunity to pull themselves out of poverty. this is what this program will do and start that effort forward to change a generation of failure into a generation -- the next generation to success. >> next, we talk twitter with the mayor. he tells us how he resists temptation on social media.

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welcome back. philadelphia's mayor is our guest today. he has had a public spat with the president. but they have something in common when it comes to social media, at least they used to. we are talking twitter and more as our conversation continues. >> i got off it a little bit because i was -- >> we noticed. >> looking at my phone too much. my staff was giving me a hard time, me trying to be myself on twitter. i guess in retrospect if you are the mayor, if you are a councilman or private citizen, you can be more free and more honest about your tweeting. if you are mayor or president, you probably shouldn't do it. >> you don't think the president should be doing it the way he is doing it? >> i don't think it helped him. i guess it keeps him directly communicating with the people. i don't know of any other president that has done that. the short life twitter has had, i don't think president obama has been on there ranting and

raving. i think it creates stories. it gives you stuff to talk about. it confuses people sometimes. it angers people sometimes. i don't think it's beneficial. >> you had a colorful twitter hilt try. >> i had fun with it. >> are there times when you want to go to your phone and do it? >> i took the app off. i don't have -- i'm not even tempted to do it. i will be honest. when chris christie was cheering on the cowboys and we were losing and i was angry and i sent that tweet i sent and i hit the button and i went, maybe i shouldn't have sent it. it didn't turn out too bad. no one was angry at me about it. i have had very old senior citizens telling me, way to go. stand up for our eagles. in retrospect probably it wasn't appropriate. you can't take them back. >> do you miss it? >> no. i look at my phone less now. i pay more attention to things.

>> you also said in your budget address you were born in south philadelphia and you would die in the city. >> not too soon i hope. >> has what you have seen and what you are not getting involved, the types of arguments you are getting involved in as the mayor, has it made you think any more about another office down the road? >> no. i got too much going on now. i'm only in the beginning of my second year of the first term. 58 years old. it's not like i'm mayor and i'm 38 or 48. you get to a certain point in your life where you look at if an opportunity were to arise, perhaps. it's not -- it wasn't my goal to be mayor, either. i kind of -- the opportunity arose. i felt that i could really do a good job and address issues we need to address. i took a shot at it. i didn't even know if i was going to win. i was trying to run a good campaign and be respectful and have a good message and a good effort. if i didn't win, i would have

moved on to the private sector and waved good-bye. but i did. i don't look at the next job, never. >> thank you, mayor. appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. good to see you. >> good to see you, too. the mayor is in his second year working to get his second budget passed. a final word when when he come back.

today we heard from the philadelphia mayor about his budget and how washington and harrisburg are affecting his job. there is uncertainty from both, funding could be in jeopardy. we're watching a bill in harrisburg and an executive order from the president could that affect hundreds of millions of dollars. stay tuned and have a great sunday. ♪ get 30% off every guest in the caribbean and start wandering now.

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