trump's health care surrender. >> i'm disappointed because we could have had it. so i'm disappointed. >> i will not sugar coat this. this is a disappointing day for us. >> the party's full promise for four straight broken. how did it happen and why are they giving up so sily? directok mulvaney joins me this morning. plus can a dely figure out how to govern? i'll talk to two republican no ideological spectrumher. senator mike leigh of utah and charlie dan of pennan if healthd enough for the president trump the fbidims his agency has been investigating

the president's campaign and its potential tieso months. >> and whether there was any coordination between efforts. i'll talk to the leading in committee, mike warner virginia. >> and this piece of advice for president trump. don't fight everybody. pick your battles. >> i sit down with jerry brown ht and fornia.nsi analysis are, tom brokaw of nbc news, joy of a.m. joy, hugh hewitt and ileana johnson of politico. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history celebrating its 70th year, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning by any standard, that was the most consequential week in donald trump's young presidency in the span of just five days, mr. trump's credentiality with

voters and his clout for congress were dealt big blows. mr. comey is investigating possible links between the trump campaign and the russian government. by friday, house republicans had to pull the bill to repeal and replace obamacare, an embarrassing acknowledge that they didn't have the votes despite full control of the senate and the white house. in a short time in office, the president's travel ban has been blocked twice, the russian investigation is widening and his political capital is shrinking. in behind the scenes negotiating and arm twisting on health care, the president was lackluster in the art of the deal that didn't close. >> for seven years it's been the

promise that united republicans repeated over and over again on the campaign trail by donald trump. >> the first thing we're going to do is repeal and replace obamacare. >> immediately repealing and replacing obamacare. >> immediately, repealing and replacing the disaster known as obamacare. >> but on friday, house republicans, facing a revolt by more than 30 conservatives and modz rats pulled their bill to repeal and replace obamacare from the floor, leaving president obama's chief domestic achievement intact. >> we'll be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. all week republicans promise that president trump's personal political capital would bring the bill across the finish line. >> the reason i feel so good about this is because the president has become a great closer. >> he's the closer. >> he is the closer. >> a tremendous closer. >> now themp's first legislative effort raises questions about the promised wo

break through gridlock in washington. >> if you can't make a good dea something wrong with you. you're certainly not very good. >> and it hoame speaker paul ry. the self-described policy wonk h through conservative legislation abo the party's overall ability to govern. >> we were a ten-year opposition party where being against things w, we have a group of people that are no on everything. >> it is aea lef put pressure moderate lawmakers to vote now obamacare's survival or collapse lies with mr. vowed toe it. on friday he told e pleased to have it all behind him. though the president tried to pin some blame on democrats. >> the losers are nancy pelosi

and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. >> mr. trump also implied he might eventually have to work with democrats to fix the law. it is unlikely to happen any time soon, eager to talk about anything else, the president spent his weekly address talking not about health care, not about tax reform, not about infrastructure, but about exploring space. >> this week in the company of astronauts i was honored to sign the nasa transition authorization act right into law. >> the blame game is in full swing. the president tweeted this just a few minutes ago. democrats are smiling in d.c., and the freedom caucus with the help of club for growth and heritage have saved planned parenthood and o-care while some republicans are blaming the white house and others are pointing at speaker ryan and still others like the president is pinning the fault on the freedom caucus. joining me now is a former member of the freedom caulk us

and someone tasked with helping to the president to close the deal. mr. mulvaney. the president himself will pin this on the club for growth, and the conservative caucus, and a caucus you were a member of just six months ago. >> there's plenty of blame to go around as we try to figure out what happened. what happened is washington won. i think the one thing we learned this week is washington was moreec broen than president trump thought that it was. what you have is the status quo wins and unfortunately, the folks back home lost. you can plablame it on the free caucus if you want to and charlie dent, and it was the powers that be in washington that won. >> the republican party has not changed washington after taking over the house, and taking over the senate in '14 and over the white house now. >> we haven't been able to change washington if the first

65 days and if there's anything that's disappointing and an educational process to the trump administration is this place was a lot more rotten than he thought it was. and i was here. i helped found it. >> why coul y yes? your former colleagues and you were a vocal member of th>>is w yes? >> i have no don't. let's step back and realize that probably half were yes and halfe nat i told the president what would happen is we'd go up to the last couple o hours and they would make it better didn't realize this difficulty ran as deep as it was. >> you would have been a yes on this? >> without reservation and toldm caucus that many, many times. again, many ofsupported the bil come to the floor. it was a bizarre combination of

caucus. >> doesn't that tell you if the bill was flawed? if you can't win over corvwin? >> folks are paying attention to the wrong things. they're sti attention to the special interests and being re-elected. what happened here is we got stuck with obamacare and the people have been telling people how bad this program is and how harming it is to folks back home are the ones who bei replaced. that's what's so it's behind him. white house idpress the preside everything on the field. i want t chart here. this is how long it takes to get big legislativene. obamacare from start to finish was 187 legislative daysare rt . welfare reform was and from start to finish on guys are waving 7 days.

the white flag? >> it was 17 days in this wking the -- >> what was theill that could pass in the seven years or why didn't you acknowledge that you needede hurry. there is a lot to be done. we needed to getare. we needed to fix the system so we could help folks back home and then m o so we could help get the people ack to work.lot i td him, and is not willing to look, this president is not like any other pre eveefor he will not do things the same way. >> he didn't sell it. he didn't give a major spe rall say health care, i can't wait to do tax a nuisance no. you're just wrong on th it ours

leaving everything on thehe fac he had a special electiquestion it's philins th biggest broken american political history. >> we had 120 members of congress through the white house in the last couple of days. i myself, at one time on wednesday afternoon, we had 80 members of congress on the property at one time. mike pence was meeting with the group, and the president was meeting with another group, no stone left unturned. >> you're giving up after 17 legislative days and you're live giving up after 66 days. he wants to move on. clearly, you're not going to touch health care for what? the next 12 months. >> winter breaks? >> the winter break? >> no, when it breaks. that's what folks are starting to talk about and frustrating as

we tried to help folks back home is the end result is that people back home will be hurt. >> the democrats will be blamed for it because it's not trumpcare in this country, it is not ryancare. >> and you have no responsible that the law of the land, that paul ryan said would be the law of the land for the foreseeable future, does your administration >> we had the duty to try to fi it work? fix a broken system.o help this is a system built on the nt could force you to do something you didn't want and that that would make you happy. you are going to fix that. the system must be removed and it must be repealed and replaced and yo gu'reng to fix a do what interest. >> i keep coming back, why is it th senate could put a repeal bill on president obama's desk a

repeal billru's desk? >> we're asking the same questions. we really are. i know the man in the white houseove ing. without a doubt, no question. if anybody had any doubts about president trump's ability ty sh been -- >> he said he was a bigdy n said he couldn't do with different g the republicang pa the president. what you saw than we did. >> the president did athis, janx news on fox news at. so we did. here's needs to step down aspet9 expected a ins and outs.

>> what messatelling his suppor her anderto say house needs to step down. is that what the president wanted people to hear? >> i have spent more time in the last week with the president of the united states than i thought i would, than four years. i've never seen him blame paul ryan. >> why did he want people to watch her show? >> the people to blame were the people who would not vote yes and they would vote no and when sen to lee is here. the folks who voted no are the folks to blame. he is want blaming paul ryan at all? there is no subtle campaign to undermine paul ryan? >> i've been in the oval office with the president and with the speaker more in the last couple of days than i ever thought. i've never seen the president for a second try to blame paul ryan for this. >> all right. are you going to repeal and replace obamacare before the end

of this year? >> my guess is we will move on. >> you are not touching health care. >> when it fails, and it may be may, and it may be the end of this year, folks will come back and say --? this is no longer a hundred-day priority. >> the president has things he wants to accomplish and he's not going to wait for congress to sit around and do the right thing. when it breaks and chuck, it's going to break, they will come back to us and ask us to take it up again. >> i will leave it there. as tax reform gets under way i'll see you there again soon. mick mulvaney, thanks for coming on. appreciate it. it was tanked by a revolt in the house, but it was facing steep opposition in the senate, senator of utah and charlie, an they weren't going to vote for this bill as it was written and they both join together. h, lgen me start with

you, the president is blaming the freedom c hetage for, quote protecting planned parenthood and obamacare. happened this week, sir? >> that is not at all how i see this bill didn't pass because it didn't deal with the mostobamac. the part of obamacare that has made health careunaffordable. until we get a bill that actually brings down the cost of health care foramerans we're not something that passes. people pin the blame on thepin m cmocus and the moderates helped tank this, too. what say you? >> well, i tendthe president on. let's be very honest about this. white house was making at the end of to please and placate the hard

right on essential benefits and other issue placate people who were not going to vote for the bill anyway. by doing that, theyniening more senate right or moderates. that is really what happened. thtt order to reform health care in this country we'll have to do it in a durable, sustainable way we as republicans should not make the same mistakes that the democrats did in 2010 by throug. i voted against it. they muscled ithis in a durable, bipartisan and sustainable go b lee. i want you to respond to was out this morning and it's an anecdote about the president and you. according to an attendee, the president angrily informed you, congressman dent, that you were destroying the republican party and was going to take down tax reform and i'm going to blame

you. is that -- is that what the president said to you and how did you respond? >> i listened to respectfully to what the president had to say, this discussion has been far too much about artificial timeliness and arbitrary deadlines all to affect tax reform. this conversation should be more about the people whose lives will be impacted by decisions on health care. we did not have much of a substantive discussion. i'm holding up a plan from republican governors from expansion states like mine, kasich, snyder, sandoval, hutchison. they wanted to be part of this process and they wndsno of issu important to me and to the people a lot of the members of ongress who are part of the concerned about the medicaid changes and yeah, i can hold my gr.e, you heard mick mulvaney said they're moving on. you heard the president say he's glad health care is behind him.

first of all, what say you? is health care behind you? not. we need to do that. we need to do that very thing. we need to get back to the table and get people negotiating. of people said the other day, as paul ryan himself said when this bill was goaid we came so close and he's right. they were not far away from a could have gotten to a deal. there were a few things that could ho vote for it so that it would have passed. this is part of the legislative process and the process has to be allowed tola devoting 17 legs to a bill and then walking away from it because passed within 17 legislative days makes no sense especially whenis campaigning on for seven years and the american peopleing. hardworking middle class americans across this country are unable to afford health care

we've got to fix that or we've got to repeal it. >> now that we have the two of you that representogic the poll republican party. i want to ask you both whethern quote from a colleague of yours, senator lee. it's bill cassidy louisiana. he has his own health care bill. he said this that now, quote, there'n that the federal government, riht for every american to have health care. essentially, senator lee, he is saying the debate's over about whether government should be involved with this or not and now it's time to design a law that acknowledges this right, that people have a right to health care and the government's got to figure out how to do it for them. do you concur with that? >> in so far as he's talking about a are things that the government can't do to you. rights are not something that the government must do to you or for you. he's suggesting the federal government is key and thece is

somehow going to bring down the cost of health care. that's simply not true, fact, that's refuted abundantly by the last sevenhappened since passed. when this bill was passed and we brought the federal government into it with the promise that it would make al affordable. >> congressman dent, i would guess you are in more agreement with senator cassidy. >> i spoke withdy and senator collins at length and senator cassidy very we have a health now, flawed as it is, i voted agin make it market oriented and patient-friendly andat date has settled. our job is now to fix it and make it much better than it is working for too many americans. >> senator lee, congressman dena

feeling that there say divide here on the role of government that hasn't been bridged inside theep that's done we still may have this debate to go on and on gentlemen, i appreciate you coming on together. it's good to have you bobthk, h is the damage to president trump from the collae care bill, plus his team that might not end ent his team that might not end ent for weeks or months or y♪ ♪ ♪ what we do every night is like something out of a strange dream.

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welcome back. panelists here, tom brokaw, grand puba of nbc news, joy reid, and always a joy and hugh hewitt host on the salem radio network. al right, hugh, i'm going to start with you because this is what "the washington examiner" headline is, gop cave on obamacare repeal is the biggest broken promise in political history, and it was at the top of, i believe, phil klein's analysis. is he right? >> no. we had a great week with neil gorsuch and he'll weigh the balance of the supreme court and president trump had as a huge win to put on the table. it was a big loss, and i agree with the autopsy that director mulvaney put out, it isn't on paul ryan and it is on area 51 of the freedom caucus that believes in legislative flying saucers that ignore the senate and senate rules and reconciliation rules and they own the loss.

nobody else. >> tom? >> the fact of the matter is the entire republican side of the house for seven years has been screaming about repealing obamacare. so they come up with a plan that they do in the middle of the night and they shove it in front of the house and they say take it or leave it. the president buys into that with a creative circular firing squad and the command was ready, fire, aim and we're all involved in politics, but out in america today people with serious or even moderate health problems are wondering, where do i go from here? it is soec broen in washington. it's not going to get anything done. >> we did some voter interviews over the last couple of days. there was one that really stood out to me, and i'll play it here from a woman in wichita. trump voter. listen to this. >> you cannot slam something so incredibly layered and complex together in that many days. i don't care how many people are working on it. you cannot do it. it took them so much longer to craft aca and it still isn't correct. there has to be a balance.

>> she gets it. >> one thing i don't think has been sufficiently appreciate side that the democrats expended an enormous amount of political capital to pass obamacare. it took 13 months to craft the law. president obama talked about it incessantly and mocked by republicans for pounding away at it. democrats lost 63 seats in congress and six seats in the senate. i don't know if republicans were mentally prepared if they cared about it so much to expend that kind of political capital and to know, okay, precisely because they're doing something unprecedented and taking away an entitlement. we might lose the house and the senate for doing this. do they care that much? i'm not sure. >> it was a regulatory process, and i thought the graphic you put up the number of llegislatie days devoted to previous legislate, where your time is spent that's where your passion is. the problem for republicans the

17-day oddisy and a lot of people on the democratic side perceived and repeal and replace is about taking away obama signature achievement affirmatively, what did they want to do? republicans have spent the last 30, 40 years of trying t elderly ss toward the poor and with the idea of compassionate conservatism. that was whiskedawa cruelty to was even apparent to shocked at the cruelty and the third thing and the president has hinted oo, this was a tax cut. this was an attempt to jam health toe set the stage for tax reform. that, hugh. he basically said this was all about trying to trillion tax cut hoping that they could make it deficit char mine, lives in a marginal caref vote. half of the freedom caucus whof

district. obamacare is the time share that the dnnot admit the cost of, th they keep telling themselves w it is in a deathy and i have ha disagreements about that. >> it's not the definition ofir? >> it's not the definition. >> we'll p out the president of aetna and you will lose coverage and that's a death spiral. joy disagrees and i know she wants to jump in here. >> i appreciate her reticence. >> we know aetna we've had a federal uj j say aetna lied and they pulled out for other reasons and insurance companies raised premiums and it's what they do, and tdg offie it quite clear the affordable care act is not, not collapsing and not in a death spiral. it's not. >> i want to quickly get to pau there a subtle palace intrigue campaign going on with some people in this white house to

undermine paul ryan? >> i don't know about that, but i was stunned who paul ryan who had been in this town in a long time say at the end of the process, well, there is a difference being an opposition party and a majority party and it's their fourth term in progress and he also said it's really complicated, health care. to come to the american people in 60 days in this admin stralgz and say it was complicated and by the way, we didn't realize the difference between being an opposition party and being a majority party. i think that takes a lot of his credibility away from him, quite honestly. >> can we comment on mick mulvaney essentially saying the tea party which is what the freedom caucus is, they're the establishment? that's odd. >> when you play the blame game here you talk about paul ryan and it's important to no a billt not one conservative health care policy expert supports?

this was a bill constituency of supporters behind it which i think was its essential problem. i wts to blame the tea partiers, but how do you explain that. >> no, not the tea partiers, th anything that isn't perfect it doesn't exist. >> i think that's hard to just one comment which camestre just one comment which camestre wants to be henry various: (shouting) heigh! it's off to work we new exxonmobil projects and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether,

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virginia is in the committee. welcome. >> good morning. >> look, i want to get right to getting your reaction to what fbi director james comey said when he testified that they are indeed investigating ties between the trump campaign and russia. >> well, chuck, i want to talk about russia, as well, but we just saw the first half of this show talk about the failure of trumpcare take place. the reason was nobody talked about the details of the bill. it would have cost 24 million americans their healthcare, it would have raised prices for seniors, it was a major tax cut for the wealthy and an $800 billion cost shift for the states to pick up the medicaid and it was an awful bill and i think people across the country revolted against it. sometimes the substance actually matters. in terms of russia, this is -- i've said before, this is the most important thing i've ever done in my public life, and what i know now as i get more and more into this, i will double

down on that statement because it's extraordinary. we have the fbi director admitting there are investigations going on. we know the russians massively interfered with our elections and we had 1,000-page internet trolls that flooded the zone with fake news, and we have a series of people that are closely affiliated with the president who have had extensive ties with russia including the fact, 60 days into the adminis dtratioector and the national security those ties. hamper the senate investigation? isn't it materials because they are done? examples. think back to going talked regu director com when we'll

brush-ups and we ce and we process in terms of er have incrediblen athe cia and wl have to get more witnesses and we've got a long way tgo done in reports nce that he has now sen that perhapsconfirmed that inadvertent surveillance of folks connected to the tthis material? what is hefe totally mystified. i've talked to democrats on the if not outrageous that heaimand sit down and briefs the white house and i know adam schiff, the lead the investigation bipartisan.

i don't think mr. schiff even knows today what those documents are. >> we have talked a couple of times and you have hesitated on endorsing the idea of an independent commission, john mccain has been the biggest champion of this is aing at this point maybe it can't be done inside of congress. what do you say to that? >> listen, if we can get an independent commission, that means you have to pass a bill and the president will sign it. >> that's moving -- you were not there even two weeks ago. >> and then you have to debate about who will be on it. >> i have tom cotton on the committee and ron widen and we divides and frankly, we have erius republicans, marco rubio, susan collins all saying we'll go where the intel leads. >> i want to ask you abouturrus faith in him. the white house used --asnd ric burr to essentially help push back against one of these new

york times did in some form or another. does thatseator burr's ability bipartisan in this and do you trust him? >> we've h some bumps, but i am working very closely with him right now? >> you trust tru him that we wi this done and we have a list of witnesses that i think you will comprehensive and we'll talk to everybody involved. >> is paul manafort apparently ntde a sta willing to testify before the house and the senate intelligence investigati we see paul manafort? >> what you haveeto get your information, and raw intelligence and build your witnesses at the appropriate time. >> is that like a three-month, six-month, outline the time line here. >> what we'll do is have the public hearing and we'll continue to do as much as we can in public, but we have more raw intelligence that we have to go through because when we bring in

people like mr. manafort, we want to know not some spectacle. we want to ask the right questions. >> as you know, you brought up adam schiff and he's the ranking democrat in the house intelligence committee. he said there is more than just circumstantial evidence and tha of collusion that's going to come out. is that -- ou>>et. weeks ago when i was first getting started with this and i said thisthg i've ever worked o. with what i know now i doubly believe that.bipartisan and we have to get the facts out to the american people. >> you keep saying thes smoke? >> there is more smoke. >> do you think there is a fire there? >> time will tell and what we intervened and they're doing the same in france and germany. >> before i let gorsuch, is it worth filibustering d,you believe he hava a vote. >> bright guy, but i was very

disappointed with his answers.t the bedrock cases like brown versus board of education are e >> there's voting no and preventing a will tell. >> you have not made a decision on filibustering? dision yet, and i am not pleased with his answers. >> senator mark warner, we'll see you later this week. thanks very much. appreciate it. when we come back, california governor jerry brown ♪ i can see clearly now

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welcome back. when jerry brown first became governor of california in january 1975 the number one song on billboard was elton john's cover of the beatles lucy in the sky with diamonds. he was here in d.c. for his first visit since president trump's inauguration and he didn't get a meeting with the president or anybody in the west wing. in his second go round as governor, he is the top official and in a state, a deeply blue one who is sharply at odds especially when it comes to immigration and that border wall. >> the wall to me is ominous. it reminds me too much of the berlin wall. when i see that 30-foot wall i worry somehow are they trying to deep me in or keep them out? i really think people ought to be careful because there's a lot of odor here of kind of a strong man, a kind of a world where you

want the ultimate leader here to be doing all of this stuff, and having a wall, locking the people in is one of those characteristics. i think america ought to be very careful when we make radical changes like a 30-foot wall keeping some in and some out. >> no, i understand that, but you have essentially, you could take the government to court. you could stop this and will you pull out every stop from keeping the wall from construction? >> i don't like the wall. to the extent it violates law i will enforce that. >> we're not going to sit around and play patsys and do whatever the hell you want and deport 2 million people. no, we're going fight and we'll fight very hard, but we're not going to bring stupid lawsuits and running to the courthouse every day and i would do the right, human and christian thing from my point of view. you don't treat human beings

like that. trump's supposed to be mr. religious fellow, and i thought we had to treat the least of these as we would treat the lord. so i hope he would reconnect with some of his conservative evangelicals and they'll hello him that these are human beings and they're children of god and they should be treated that way. >> needless to say there is a lot more to my interview with governor brown and we spoke about where the discussion went and where he's willing to work for the president and his advice for mr. trump since he governs more people than any other democrat. >> of course, the health care implosion on friday meant we didn't have as much time as we wanted to have with him and all of this is on our website, meet the press.com and we'll have much more with governor brown on meet the press daily. you know where to find that, on msnbc. >> not one, but two politically devastating gut punches this week. where does president trump go from here? befi was active.gia,

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welcome back. panel is here. you know, this week began with the first gut punch which was russia and the fbi. re -- tomorrow is day the trump

67. we had the travel ban. twice, healthcare can't get done, now wants to do tax reform and russia is expanding and this is no p have a hundred days' event that will el between standing before a crowd in kentucky as he did ten days aigngo promises and governing from 1600 pennsylvania avenue and getting week or so that mitch will begin to take control on the senate side of some of the is taxation, for example, getting gorsuch through. those kinds of things will begin to lift, brump who is getting that done for him. i really think that this fatal . no question about that, but how nimble he's going to be and whether he can change. we haven't seen much evidence of that in his private life or in his public life, and i think that's what weave got to watch. >> it's interesting to me, his

instinct is to want to work with democrats. there is an excerpt of the great robert draper piece on trump, and he wrote this and based on an interview that he did. trump seemed much less animated by the subject of budget cuts than the subject of spending pump. spend money to make money in the future and that will happen, a clearer keynesian liberalism, is that your party now? >> i think he's done with the right wing. >> if you buy stocks, one of them is the supreme court, that went up 400% this week and one is health care and it bankrupted and you have the military, the tax bill and the infrastructure and he'll bank on the other four going up and the supreme court went with -- i think you had the 2020 nominee here in mark warner. >> you can't be the democratic nominee and not support a filibuster. >> that's it.

>> he's run for president and he's going to go for chuck shumer and that is great from my perspective. >> ilian a does donald trump go to his democratic instipths now? >> i think that's 100% true. he'll move to the left and he's wanted to do infrastructure and he wants to do a big push on it, and the thing i found interesting this week is that he went to the freedom caucus and his pitch to them, his means of persuasion was he singled out mark meadows and he told republicans, you're going to lose. i'm going to campaign against you and people said to me, you know, it wasn't the best means of persuasion, but when he moves to his left he gets to sell people on things and say i'm going to give you things you're really going to like. so i think it will be interesting to watch him. i think that's much more the mode he likes to be in. it didn't work for him to recriminate people and pound them over the head. so he's going to be much more effective when he's giving out

goodies. >> how many democrats will move? >> the democrats of the party which stepped forward and extinguished this e bill, they're allowing the grassroo grassroots to lead them. >> there is one that he actually and he ly knows and it's chuck became a republican, but if you recall in the back roger stone days in the '8 he was railing for tough on the soviet union and he's a guy in business used to spending other meme's money and back. his mode is to spend a lot of watching most of the republicans except the freedom caucus going along living lifeo to change th ideology. >> the whole question is do these fiscal conservatives in congress go along with an infrastructure bill because they're giving trstundred days? we saw in health care that it's

not likely, and i because the president didn't know the policy details and he wa them. n> can he do it o infrastructure? >> we've known him for a longno. the attention span is andhe rea guess. >> wll break. endgame is coming up and a very - life can be full of unexpected surprises.

having an emergency savings for the unexpected may help provide a little light in a possibly dark situation. the more you know. ♪ back now with endgame before i get to our little fun tease there that even hugh was intrigued about. i want to quickly ask, palace intrigue here. does the president reorient his own west wing staff? there's been any of that? is rips priebus -- >> the president needs to ask director comey if anyone in the white house is under investigation because they have to be separated out and tom remembers watergate and if anyone is they have to go and reince priebus isn't and paul ryan has to stay and they need to listen to mccon pell upon i

think he's right. >> they choose from former administrations and people who know the town. this is what happens when you staff your team with ideologues and people from right-wing media world rather than people who know anything about running -- >> there's nobody in there with legislative experience beyond pence. >> i don't think the problem is ideologues and i think the problem is lack of experience on capitol hill. for the president it's, you know, he doesn't understand the policy details. for paul ryan, i think it's been the story of this that's been undertold is he didn't sell this well. he didn't talk to journalists beforehand or the policy community, and i think that was perhaps the biggest flaw and the biggest mistake. >> the biggest knock you hear about paul ryan that it rings true, tom is here is this incredible policy wonk who hates politics and he took a job that was all politics. he knew he wasn't as suited for it as others wanted it to be. >> the president put his arms around it, but i think he's been wounded in this quite honestly

and nobody else wants that job and quite surprised, however, and i hesitate to use the phrase, naivety. >> doesn't aaron rodgers always start slow, though? isn't he always start slow in the. >> best line i've heard week is a day without a tweet is a very good day. >> it's also very hard to -- no matter how good of a politician you are to sell the idea of taking 24 million people's healthcare away. that is not sellable. >> in ryan's defense, i don't think he's been saying, gosh, it's harder. i think he's trying to tell his conference. >> yes. >> governing is different than being in the pop sessiooppositi. it's much harder. >> the bottom line at the end of this week is health care is 18% of our economy. it affects everyone in america in one form or another and this is not just a political game. this is not monopoly. they've got to find a way to get this settled and in the reagan administration they put together pat moynihan and alan greenspan

and they solved social security. >> and that's why they didn't do that, set up your own and buy yourself time. that would have been the other thing. >> stop the repeefl obamacare. take that sting of we need to take this thing away from obama. if you've got problems with it. fix it. that's what legislating is for. >> now i'm going to answer hugh's intrigue. march madness known for its heartbreaks and all things that could be applied to republicans this week, but one super pac was so sure that repealing obamacare was a slam dunk that they ran ads during march madness games thanking republicans to replace the affordable care act. it seemed to be a victory lap for a non-existent win. she came out against the plan. she was a "no" on this, and it was interesting where they were nervous. it was des moines, it was darryl issa was in there and you had identified those folks. >> she brusted her own bracket is the way you look at it.

>> but i don't know if anybody had a worse friday than paul ryan. i asked paul ryan about his bracket pick last week when i interviewed him and here's what he said to me. >> speaker ryan, do you have wisconsin in your final four? >> yes, i do, actually. i have them going all of the way, and i have a rematch with kentucky and we win this time. >> friday at 3:30 he pulls the bill and no more repeal and replace. friday night this is how with us wisconsin's season ended. >> oh, my goodness! >> oh, speaker ryan, i say this -- >> i don't want to -- look, he and i both love the packers together. so don't hold that against me. it was a tough night. >> it was. don't forget, neil gorsuch, neil gorsuch, neil gorsuch! i can stay here all day, neil gorsuch. >> you remind me of kevin bacon. remain calm! all is well.

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