thanks for joining us. trump's health care surrender. >> i'm disappointed because we could have had it. so i'm disappointed. >> i will not sugar coat this. this is a disappointing day for us. >> the party's full promise for four straight campaigns broken. how did it happen and why are they giving up so easily? white house budget director mick mulvaney joins me this morning. plus can a deeply divided republican party ever figure out how to govern? i'll talk to two republican no votes from opposite ends of the ideological spectrum together. senator mike leigh of utah and charlie dan of pennsylvania. >> and if health care wasn't bad enough for the president trump the fbi director confirms his agency has been investigating

the president's campaign and its potential ties to russia for months. >> and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russia's efforts. i'll talk to the leading democrat on the senate intel committee, mike warner of virginia. >> and this piece of advice for president trump. don't fight everybody. pick your battles. >> i sit down with jerry brown of california. joining me for insight and analysis are, tom brokaw of nbc news, joy reid, host of a.m. joy, hugh hewitt and ileana johnson of politico. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history celebrating its 70th year, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning by any standard, that was the most consequential week in donald trump's young presidency in the span of just five days, mr. trump's credentiality with

voters and his clout for congress were dealt big blows. mr. comey is investigating possible links between the trump campaign and the russian government. by friday, house republicans had to pull the bill to repeal and replace obamacare, an embarrassing acknowledge that they didn't have the votes despite full control of the senate and the white house. in a short time in office, the president's travel ban has been blocked twice, the russian investigation is widening and his political capital is shrinking. in behind the scenes negotiating and arm twisting on health care, the president was lackluster in the art of the deal that didn't close. >> for seven years it's been the promise that united republicans

repeated over and over again on the campaign trail by donald trump. >> the first thing we're going to do is repeal and replace obamacare. >> immediately repealing and replacing obamacare. >> immediately, repealing and replacing the disaster known as obamacare. >> but on friday, house republicans, facing a revolt by more than 30 conservatives and modz rats pulled their bill to repeal and replace obamacare from the floor, leaving president obama's chief domestic achievement intact. >> we'll be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. all week republicans promise that president trump's personal political capital would bring the bill across the finish line. >> the reason i feel so good about this is because the president has become a great closer. >> he's the closer. >> he is the closer. >> a tremendous closer. >> now the defeat of mr. trump's first legislative effort raises questions about the negotiating skills that he promised would

break through gridlock in washington. >> if you can't make a good deal with a politician then there's something wrong with you. you're certainly not very good. >> and it damages the reputation of house speaker paul ryan. the self-described policy wonk that republicans drafted to push through conservative legislation, and it raises questions about the party's overall ability to govern. >> we were a ten-year opposition party where being against things was easy to do. >> quite frankly, we have a group of people that are no on everything. >> it is an early victory for grassroots activism on the left. after angry town halls put pressure moderate lawmakers to vote no. now obamacare's survival or collapse lies with mr. trump, a president who vowed to dismantle it. on friday he told "the new york times," quote, he was pleased to have it all behind him. it's enough already. though the president tried to pin some blame on democrats. >> the losers are nancy pelosi

and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. >> mr. trump also implied he might eventually have to work with democrats to fix the law. it is unlikely to happen any time soon, eager to talk about anything else, the president spent his weekly address talking not about health care, not about tax reform, not about infrastructure, but about exploring space. >> this week in the company of astronauts i was honored to sign the nasa transition authorization act right into law. >> the blame game is in full swing. the president tweeted this just a few minutes ago. democrats are smiling in d.c., and the freedom caucus with the help of club for growth and heritage have saved planned parenthood and o-care while some republicans are blaming the white house and others are pointing at speaker ryan and still others like the president is pinning the fault on the freedom caucus. joining me now is a former member of the freedom caulk us

and someone tasked with helping to the president to close the deal. mr. mulvaney. the president himself will pin this on the club for growth, and the conservative caucus, and a caucus you were a member of just six months ago. >> there's plenty of blame to go around as we try to figure out what happened. what happened is washington won. i think the one thing we learned this week is washington was moreec broen than president trump thought that it was. what you have is the status quo wins and unfortunately, the folks back home lost. you can plablame it on the free caucus if you want to and charlie dent, and it was the powers that be in washington that won. >> the republican party has not changed washington after taking over the house, and taking over the senate in '14 and over the white house now. >> we haven't been able to change washington if the first

65 days and if there's anything that's disappointing and an educational process to the trump administration is this place was a lot more rotten than he thought it was. and i was here. i helped found it. >> why couldn't you get them to yes? your former colleagues and you were a vocal member of this caucus. >> yeah. >> why couldn't you get them to yes? >> i have no yet. i really don't. let's step back and realize that probably half of the folks in the group were yes and half were no, but what i told the president what would happen is we'd go up to the last couple of days and the last couple of hours and they would make it better and for some reason that hasn't happened and i didn't realize this difficulty ran as deep as it was. >> you would have been a yes on this? >> without reservation and told the men and women in the freedom caucus that many, many times. again, many of them would have supported the bill if it had come to the floor. it was a bizarre combination of who was against this bill and

some folks on the freedom caucus. >> doesn't that tell you if the bill was flawed? if you can't win over conservatives and moderates who can you win? >> folks are paying attention to the wrong things. they're still paying attention to the special interests and being re-elected. what happened here is we got stuck with obamacare and the people have been telling people how bad this program is and how harming it is to folks back home are the ones who prevented it from being replaced. that's what's so frustrating. >> the president is glad it's behind him. white house press secretary sean spicer said the president left everything on the field. i want to put up a bill -- a chart here. this is how long it takes to get big legislative items done. obamacare from start to finish was 187 legislative days and medicare part d, 166. welfare reform was 56. and from start to finish on health care was 17 days. 17 days and you guys are waving

the white flag? >> it was 17 days in this administration. we've been working against it the -- >> what was the hurry? why didn't you have a bill that could pass in the seven years or why didn't you acknowledge that you needed more time? >> here is the hurry. there is a lot to be done. we needed to get rid of obamacare. we needed to fix the system so we could help folks back home and then move on to tax reform so we could help get the people back to work. the president wants to do a lot of things and is not willing to do wharand the one thing i told, look, this president is not like any other president that you've ever seen before. he will not do things the same way. >> he didn't sell it. he didn't give a major speech on it and he would do rallies and say health care, i can't wait to do tax reform. it was like a nuisance to him. >> chuck, no. you're just wrong on that one. the man worked and you said it yourself. we left everything on the field.

>> how do you describe that as leaving everything on the field. president obama didn't give up in the face of tough town halls. he spent another six months and he had a special election and they kept going, and i guess the question, and you saw i think it's phil klein in the washington examiner that said this is the biggest broken promise that anyone's made in american political history. >> we had 120 members of congress through the white house in the last couple of days. i myself, at one time on wednesday afternoon, we had 80 members of congress on the property at one time. mike pence was meeting with the group, and the president was meeting with another group, no stone left unturned. >> you're giving up after 17 legislative days and you're live giving up after 66 days. he wants to move on. clearly, you're not going to touch health care for what? the next 12 months. >> winter breaks? >> the winter break? >> no, when it breaks. that's what folks are starting to talk about and frustrating as

we tried to help folks back home is the end result is that people back home will be hurt. >> the democrats will be blamed for it because it's not trumpcare in this country, it is not ryancare. >> and you have no responsible that the law of the land, that paul ryan said would be the law of the land for the foreseeable future, does your administration have the duty to make it work? >> we had the duty to try to fix it. >> do you have the duty to make it work? >> we have the duty to help people back home. you cannot fix a broken system. this is a system built on the idea that the government could force you to do something you didn't want and that that would make you happy. you are never going to fix that. the system must be removed and it must be repealed and replaced and you're not going to fix a system that doesn't trust people to do what's in their best interest. >> i keep coming back, why is it that a republican house and senate could put a repeal bill on president obama's desk so easily and you couldn't put a

repeal bill on president trump's desk? >> we're asking the same questions. we really are. i know the man in the white house is capable of governing. without a doubt, no question. if anybody had any doubts about president trump's ability to be the president they should have been -- >> really? can't close a deal? he said he was a big negotiator. >> this is what everybody said he couldn't do and he couldn't work with different groups in the republican party. no, this was the president being the president. what you saw this week were more rotten thing than we did. >> the president did a saturday morning tweet and he said this, to go watch judge janeane on fox news on fox news at:00 p.m. so we did. here's what she said. >> paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. this is not no one expected a

businessman to understand the complicated ins and outs. >> what message was the president trying to send, telling his supporters to watch her and her lead editorial was to say house speaker paul ryan needs to step down. is that what the president wanted people to hear? >> i have spent more time in the last week with the president of the united states than i thought i would, than four years. i've never seen him blame paul ryan. >> why did he want people to watch her show? >> the people to blame were the people who would not vote yes and they would vote no and when sen to lee is here. the folks who voted no are the folks to blame. he is want blaming paul ryan at all? there is no subtle campaign to undermine paul ryan? >> i've been in the oval office with the president and with the speaker more in the last couple of days than i ever thought. i've never seen the president for a second try to blame paul ryan for this. >> all right. are you going to repeal and replace obamacare before the end of this year?

>> my guess is we will move on. >> you are not touching health care. >> when it fails, and it may be may, and it may be the end of this year, folks will come back and say --? this is no longer a hundred-day priority. >> the president has things he wants to accomplish and he's not going to wait for congress to sit around and do the right thing. when it breaks and chuck, it's going to break, they will come back to us and ask us to take it up again. >> i will leave it there. as tax reform gets under way i'll see you there again soon. mick mulvaney, thanks for coming on. appreciate it. it was tanked by a revolt in the house, but it was facing steep opposition in the senate, senator of utah and charlie, and one thing they both agreed on, they weren't going to vote for this bill as it was written and they both join me now together. gentlemen, welcome. senator leigh, let me start with

you, the president is blaming the freedom caucus, club for growth and heritage for, quote, protecting planned parenthood and obamacare. is that a fair read of what happened this week, sir? >> that is not at all how i see it. this bill didn't pass because it didn't deal with the most fundamental flaw in obamacare. the part of obamacare that has made health care unacceptable and unaffordable. until we get a bill that actually brings down the cost of health care for hardworking americans we're not going to get something that passes. >> congressman dent, do you pin the blame? some people pin the blame on the moderates, it wasn't just the freedom caucus and the moderates helped tank this, too. what say you? >> well, i tend to agree with the president on that point. let's be very honest about this. a lot of the concessions the white house was making at the end of this process were to try to please and placate the hard

right on essential benefits and other issues all to placate people who were not going to vote for the bill anyway. by doing that, they ended up alienating more people on the senate right or moderates. that is really what happened. the bottom line, chuck, that in order to reform health care in this country we'll have to do it in a durable, sustainable way and bipartisan manner. we as republicans should not make the same mistakes that the democrats did in 2010 by muscling that law through. i voted against it. they muscled it through. we need to do this in a durable, bipartisan and sustainable way. >> before i go back to senator lee. i want you to respond to was out this morning and it's an anecdote about the president and you. according to an attendee, the president angrily informed you, congressman dent, that you were destroying the republican party and was going to take down tax reform and i'm going to blame

you. is that -- is that what the president said to you and how did you respond? >> i listened to respectfully to what the president had to say, this discussion has been far too much about artificial timeliness and arbitrary deadlines all to affect tax reform. this conversation should be more about the people whose lives will be impacted by decisions on health care. we did not have much of a substantive discussion. i'm holding up a plan from republican governors from expansion states like mine, kasich, snyder, sandoval, hutchison. they wanted to be part of this process and they were not brought in. those kinds of issues were very important to me and to the people i represent and frankly, to a lot of the senate rigr concerned about the medicaid iannges and yeah, >> senator lee, you heard mick mulvaney said they're moving on. you heard the president say he's ad health care is behind him.

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because of this bill. we've got toto rpeal it. >> now that we have the two of ideological polls of the republican party. i want tyou ree with the follow quote from a colleague of yours it's bill cassidy, republican o. he said thisspre recognition that the federalcongress has cr for every american to have e. essentially, senator lee, he is saying the whether government should be involved with this or not and now it's time acknowledges th that people have a right to health care and the government's got to figure out how to do it for them. do you concur with that? >> in so far as he's talking about a federal right, rights are things that the government can't do to you. rights are not something that the government must do for you. he's suggesting theed

increased federal presence is somehow going to bring do that's simply not true, and in fact, 's refuted abundantly by the las happened since obamacare was passed. when this bill was pd we brought the federal government into it with the promise that it would make health care more dent, i wou assidy. >> i spoke with senatorolli c a and senator cassidy very c we have a health now, flawed as it is, i voteed make it market orieedendlandat settled. oub better than it is today because it's simply not t >> senator lee, i have a

at hasn't been bridged inside the republicantht's done we sti this debate to go on on. gentlemen, i appreciate you coming on together. it'sd both. >> when we come back, how deep u from the collapse of this health care bill, plus the theresident care bill, plus the theresident and♪ ♪ ♪ what we do every night is like something out of a strange dream. cept that the next morning it all makes sense.

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welcome back. panelists here, grand puba news, joy reid, and always hugh hewitt host on the salem radio rt washington examiner" on obamacare repeal is the biggest history, and it was at the top of, i bel, analysis. is he right? >> no. we had a gorsuch and he'll weigh the balance of the supreme c a a hu win to put on the table. it was a big lowith the autopsy paul ryan and it is on area 51 of the freedom caucus that believes in legislative flying saucers that ignore the senate and senate rules and

reconciliation rules and they own the loss. nobody else. >> tom? >> the fact of the matter is the entire republican side of the house for seven years has been screaming about repealing obamacare. so they come up with a plan that they do in the middle of the night and they shove it in front of the house and they say take it or leave it. the president buys into that with a creative circular firing squad and the command was ready, fire, aim and we're all involved in politics, but out in america today people with serious or even moderate health problems are wondering, where do i go from here? it is soec broen in washington. it's not going to get anything done. >> we did some voter interviews over the last couple of days. there was one that really stood out to me, and i'll play it here from a woman in wichita. trump voter. listen to this. >> you cannot slam something so incredibly layered and complex together in that many days. i don't care how many people are working on it. you cannot do it. it took them so much longer to craft aca and it still isn't

correct. there has to be a balance. >> she gets it. >> one thing i don't think has been sufficiently appreciate side that the democrats expended an enormous amount of political capital to pass obamacare. it took 13 months to craft the law. president obama talked about it incessantly and mocked by republicans for pounding away a congress and six seats in the senate. mentally prepared if they cared about it kind of political capital and to know, okay,there doing somethin unprecedented and taking entitlement. we might lose the houseis.an do they care that much? i'm not sure. >> i thos ht the graphic youuege days ded legislate, where your time is spent that's where your passion

people on thel and replace is about taking away obamae aie affirmativel w republicans have spent the last 30, 40 years of trying to callousness towarde elderly with the idea of conservatism. ervave voters and wayo this bil republican voters who were shkhing and the president has hinted at this, cut. this was an attempt tom the health toe set the stage for th. he basic to finance a $2 rillion tax cut hoping that neutral. >> charlie, who is a friend of district. he has to be careful with every

killed this live in a safe, redt the democrats bought that they cannot adthey keep telling thems a good idea. e h many disagreements about that. >> it's not the definition of an economic death spiral? >> it's not the definition. >> we'll point out the president of aetna and you will lose coverage and that's a death spiral. joy disagrees and i know she wants to jump in here. >> i appreciate her reticence. >> we know aetna lied and we've had a federal uj j say aetna lied and they pulled out for other reasons and insurance companies raised premiums and it's what they do, and the congressional budget office made it quite clear the affordable care act is not, not collapsing and not in a death spiral. it's not. >> i want to quickly get to pau there a subtle

campaign going on with some people in this white house to >> i don't know about that, but i was stunned whoad been in thin process, well, t difference being an opposition party and a majority parin progress and he also said it's . to come to the american people in stralgz and say it was on party and being a realize majority party. i think that credibility away from him, quit mulvaney essentially saying the frre t establishment? that's odd blame game here you tok note. ll without a core ervative heale

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onduct a credible investigation, and it appears w falling apart before our eyes. so this week the senate intelligence committee will get in congress can credibly rnvestigate this in a way. >> senator mark warner of commi. welcome. >> good morning. >> look, i want to getonig to w fbi director james comey said when he testified that they are a to talk he trump campaign and about russia, as well, butf of show talk about the failure trumpcare take place. the reason was nobody talked about the details of the bill. 24 million americans their healthcare, it would have raised prices foreni for the wealthy and an $800 billion cost shift for the state and it was an awful bill and i

think people across the country revolted gasometimes the substance actuay matters. in terms of russia, this is -- i've said before, this is the most important thing i've ever done in my public life, and what i know now as i get more and more into this, i will double down on that statement because it's extraordinary. we have the fbi director admitting there are investigations going on. we know the russians massively interfered with our elections and we had 1,000-page internet trolls that flooded the zone with fake news, and we have a series of people that are closely affiliated with the president who have had extensive ties with russia including the fact, 60 days into the administration. we have both the nsa director and the national security adviser that had to resign and the attorney general had to recuse himself because of those ties. >> how much does an active investigation in the fbi intel committee's ability to do an investigation? isn't it plausibleor these mate

they are done? >> there were prior think back to watergate. there was a doj goingo? >> i talked regularly with director comey. there will be timesnve, i'm sure start our process in terms of open hearing this week and we h we have incredible access to information at the cia and we'll have to get more information and witnesses and we've got a long way to go to get this done and we'll get a bipartisan way. >> you had the hotelligence cha nunes claim that he some raw intelligence reports that perhaps confirmed that there was at least some folks connected to the trump campaign. have you seen any of this material? what is he referring to? totall.

i've talked to committee. i think it's fairly mystifying if not outrageous that he makes sit down and briefs the white house and i know adam schiff, the lead democrat io bipartisan. i don't think mr. schiff even knows today what those documents are. >> we have talave hesitated on endorsing the idea of an independent commission, bgest champion of this is aing at this point maybe it can't be doneone. what do you say to an independent commission, that means you have to pass a preden >> that's moving -- you were noo >> and then you have to debate about who will be on it. >> i have tom cotton on the committee and ron widen and we crossed all of the political divides and frankly, we have bipartisan support, serious republicans, marco rubio, susan

collins all saying we'll go where the intel leads. >> i want to ask you about richard burr and your trust and faith in him. the white house used -- asked both devin nunes and richard burr to essentially help push back against one of these new york times stories and they both did in some form or another. does that call into question senator burr's ability to be bipartisan in this and do you trust him? >> we've had some bumps, but i am working very closely with him right now? >> you trust him? >> i trust him that we will get this done and we have a list of witnesses that i think you will see that is comprehensive and we'll talk to everybody involved. >> is paul manafort apparently made a statement that he's willing to testify before the house and the senate intelligence investigations. when would we see somebody like paul manafort? >> what you have to do first is you have to get your information, and raw intelligence and build your

case. you only bring in those kind of witnesses at the appropriate time. >> is that like a three-month, six-month, outline the time line here. >> what we'll do is have the public hearing and we'll continue to do as much as we can in public, but we have more raw intelligence that we have to go through because when we bring in people like mr. manafort, we want to know not some spectacle. we want to ask the right questions. >> as you know, you brought up adam schiff and he's the ranking democrat in the house intelligence committee. he said there is more than just circumstantial evidence and that there is some -- some evidence of collusion that's going to come out. is that -- >> i'll simply say what i said at the outset. weeks ago when i was first getting started with this and i said this is the most important thing i've ever worked on. with what i know now i doubly believe that. it has to be done bipartisan and we have to get the facts out to the american people. >> you keep saying there is more smoke? >> there is more smoke. >> do you think there is a fire there? >> time will tell and what we

know is the russians massively intervened and they're doing the same in france and germany. >> before i let you go, neil gorsuch, is it worth filibustering him, or do you believe he hava a vote. >> bright guy, but i was very disappointed with his answers. he was not even to acknowledge the bedrock cases like brown versus board of education are part of our existing -- >> there's voting no and preventing a vote. where are you? >> time will tell. >> you have not made a decision on filibustering? >> i have not made a decision yet, and i am not pleased with his answers. >> senator mark warner, we'll see you later this week. thanks very much. appreciate it. when we come back,

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welcome back. panel is here. you know, this week began with the first gut punch which was russia and the fbi. where is the state of the trump presidency, tom? here we are -- tomorrow is day 67. we had the travel ban. it's been blocked twice, healthcare can't get done, now he wants to do tax reform and russia is expanding and this is not a presidency that will even feel good. >> there say augrowd in kentucky as he did ten days ago ask repeating coverning fro0 pennsylvania avenue and getting things done. i think we can see so that mit will begin to take control on the senate side of some of the taxation, for example, getting gorsuch through. those kinds of things will begi who is getting that done for him. i really think that this has no.

no question about that, but how nimble he's going to be and we haven't seen much evidence of that in his private life oif an that's what weave got to watch. >> it's interesting to inm is th democrats. there is an excerpt of the great ro d and he wrote this and based on an interview that he did. trump seemed much less animated by the subject of budget cuts than the subject of spending pump. spend money to make money in the future and that will happen, a clearer keynesian liberalism, is that your party now? >> i think he's done with the right wing. one of them is the supreme court, that went up 400% this week and one is health careannd you have the tax bill and the infrastructure

and he'll bank on the other four going up and the supreme court went with -- ith the 2020 nominee here in mark >> you can't be the democratic nominee and not support a >> that's it. >> he's run for president and he's goinghk shumer and that is great from my perspective. >> ilian a does donald trump go to hisow? >> i think that's 100% true. he'll move to the left and he's wanted do a big push on it, and the thing i found interesting this week is that he caucus and his pitch to them, his means of persuasion was he singled out markows d he told republicans, you're going to lose. i'm going to campaign against you and people said to e, know, it wasn't the best means of persuasion, but when he gets people on things and say i'm going to give you things you're really going to like.

interesting to watch him. i think that's much more the mode he likes to be in.im to recriminate people and pound them over the head. so he's going to be mucre goodies. >> how many he get if he moves left? >> the democrats of the party which stepped extinguished this trumpcare bilhe grassroo grassroots to lead them. >> there is one that he actually personally knows schumer and knows well and he became a republican, but if you recall in the back roger stone days in the '80s. he was railing for being too tough on the soviet union and he's a guy in business used to spending other meme's money and borrowing it and not paying it back. his mode is to spend a lot of money and it's interesting watching most of the republicans except the freedom caucus going

along living life with whatever they want to do to change the ideology. >> the whole question is do these fiscal conservatives in congress go along with an infrastructure bill because they're giving the president leeway in his first hundred days? we saw in health care that it's not likely, and i think it's because the president didn't know the policy details and he wasn't able to persuade them. >> can he do it on infrastructure? >> we've known him for a long time in his new york days and now as a campaign. the attention span is about thas in guess. >> we'll do a quick 45-second break. break. endgame is coming up and a of oe determines how well your child reads later, u'd probably break. endgame is coming up and a of oe start reading more, right? well, i just told you. the more you know.

♪ back now with endgame before i get to our littlease there that even hugh was intrigued about. i want to quickly ask,ntrigue h. does the president reorient his own west wingthere's been any o? is rips priebus -- >> the president needs to ask

director white house is under investigation because they have to be separated out and tom remembers watergate anyone is they have to go and reince priebus isn't and paul s to listen to mon i think he's right. >> they choose from former administrations and people who your team with ideologues and people from right-wing media world rather than people who know anything about running -- >> there's nobody in there with legislative experience beyond pence. >> i don't think the problem is ideologues and i think the problem is lack of experience on capitol hill. for the president it's, you know, he doesn't understand the policy details. for paul ryan, i think it's been the story of this that's been undertold is he didn't sell this well. he didn't talk to journalists beforehand or the policy community, and i think that was perhaps the biggest flaw and the biggest mistake. >> the biggest knock you hear about paul ryan that it rings

true, tom is here is this incredible policy wonk who hates politics and he took a job that was all politics. he knew he wasn't as suited for it as others wanted it to be. >> the president put his arms around it, but i think he's been wounded in this quite honestly and nobody else wants that job and quite surprised, however, and i hesitate to use the phrase, naivety. >> doesn't aaron rodgers always start slow, though? isn't he always start slow in the. >> best line i've heard week is a day without a tweet is a very good day. >> it's also very hard to -- no matter how good of a politician you are to sell the idea of taking 24 million people's healthcare away. that is not sellable. >> in ryan's defense, i don't think he's been saying, gosh, it's harder. i think he's trying to tell his conference. >> yes. >> governing is different than being in the pop sessiooppositi.

it's much harder. >> the bottom line at the end of this week is health care is 18% of our economy. it affects everyone in america in one form or another and this is not just a political game. this is not monopoly. they've got to find a way to get this settled and in the reagan administration they put together pat moynihan and alan greenspan and they solved social security. >> and that's why they didn't do that, set up your own and buy yourself time. that would have been the other thing. >> stop the repeefl obamacare. take that sting of we need to take this thing away from obama. if you've got problems with it. fix it. that's what legislating is for. >> now i'm going to answer hugh's intrigue. march madness known for its heartbreaks and all things that could be applied to republicans this week, but one super pac was so sure that repealing obamacare was a slam dunk that they ran ads during madness games thanking republicans the affordable care act. it seemed to be a victory lap for a non-existent win.

she came o against the plan. she was a "no" on this, and it was interesting where they were nemois.s, it was darryl issa was in there and you had racket ied those folk anybody y you look at it. had a worse friday than paul ryan. it his bracket pick last week when i interviewed him and here'sh me. >> speaker ryan, do you have wisconsin in your final four? >> yes, i do,tuf t way, and i have a rematch with kentucky and we win this time. >> friday at bill and no more repeal and replace. friday night this is wisconsin's season ended. >> oh, my goodness! >> oh, speaker ryan, i say this -- >> i don't want to -- look, he and ot together. so don't hold that against me.

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