this sunday, three storms. the first hurricane harvey. >> it sounded like a tornado. >> the hurricane force winds are gone, but the big threat now is rain and catastrophic flooding. a flash flood emergency is in effect for houston. we'll have the latest. storm number two, president trump's pardon of former sheriff joe arpaio. >> do the people in this room like sheriff joe? >> the bipartisan criticism, what we now know about what the president wanted to do, and what it could mean for the russia investigation. storm number three, the president versus his party. president trump goes after john mccain. >> one vote away. i will not mention any names. >> goes after jeff flake. >> nobody wants me to talk about

your other senator, who is weak on borders, weak on crime. >> goes after mitch mcconnell, paul ryan and bob corker. why does president trump think attacking his own party is a winning strategy? >> i'll ask another republican, governor john kasich of high, who has not ruled out taking on president trump in 2020. plus, the democrats, do they have a strategy beyond being against all things trump? can they avoid a culture war track? my guest, democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio. >> joining me for analysis are katy terr of nbc mousse. "washington post" columnist, new york times and daniel met ka of the american enterprise institute. welcome to sunday. it's meet the press. good sunday morning.

we are covering three storms today t. one of them is president trump's pardon of former sheriff joe arpaio and what we now know about what he wanted to do. the second is the president's fight with his own party. and we're going to get to both of those stories in a few minutes. but we do begin with hurricane harvey. once a category 4 hurricane harvey has noun been downgraded to a tropical storm. but sadly the worst is surely yet to come. devastating record flooding is feared as the storm is expected to linger over southeast texas for days. already a flash flood emergency has been issued for the city of houston. america's fourth largest city. and residents in the area are being urged to stay indoors. harvey is now essentially a rain event with amounts to be measured in feet, not inches. and our meteorologist is calling it one of the worst flood disasters we have ever seen in the houston area. the worst damage so far is in rockport, texas, which took a direct hit when harvey came ashore with winds of 125-mile-per-hour. "nbc nightly news" lester holt

is standing by for us in corpus christi, texas. so, lester, look, we're -- i know it's hard for people to believe. we're in the middle of this even though you're not in winds and rains. how bad is it now and how much worse do they think it's going to get? >> reporter: well, corpus christi was pretty quiet night and they are beginning to get power on. and you can see it's rather calm. there are still rainbands coming through and they expect a lot of rain here over the next several days. but about a half-hour, 40 minutes in that direction was rockport. that's where we spent much of our day yesterday. it 150e6d serious damage. power lines down. there were some builds that this collapsed. and there was flooding. we drove our way in there with little effort. coming out was a different story, though. there were flooded passages there where you begin to move the vehicle and there's no stopping now. you're not sure whether you will get through. flooding is amazingly deceptive. there were huge rainbands that would come through and suedel

the street before you would be flooded. i think that's what folks in houston are dealing with is how much more will there be. can i drive through it and that's why they're telling people to shelter into place there. hurricane is one thing. you can feel the wind, seize the trees, see things flying at you. you recognize the danger. but flooding is amazing. the rain will come and suddenly the street that was uncovered a moment ago is now covered, and your options forgetting out may have narrowed. that's what folks around here are going to be facing as this system, you showed, is essentially just lingering over southern texas. and it is producing a lot of rain. and as the sprinkles begin here again in corpus christi. >> are you seeing cleanup efforts stalling a bit because of this both flash flood fear and because of actual flooding? >> i saw very little, frankly, in the way of cleanup right now. i think yesterday we saw a lot of coast guard and national guard helicopters doing search and rescues i think in areas that were cut off toward the islands 6789 i've seen very

little in terms of recovery. we saw a few power trucks being staged, but, yeah, the issue is, you know, is it over. and it really isn't. the high winds part of the hurricane part is over, but the flooding is going to make it extraordinarily difficult for them to get their vehicles in and begin stringing lines and all the things you typically see after a hurricane passes. >> all right. lester, appreciate it. thank you. i know you're going to do more reporting. we'll see you tonight on nightly news. >> all right. >> joining me now is the director of fee ma, mr. brock long. welcome to meet the press. >> good morning. how are you, sir? >> i'm pretty good. let me start with this cleanup effort and what lester was just saying. and understandably that some of it is delayed or stalled because more is to come. what kind of extra efforts are you having to -- resources are you having to marshall to deal with issues of flooding? are you having more air support, coast guard coming in? what are the resources you're

having to start now? >> so, first of all, i'd like to say that president trump is extremely concerned about this. he's given me all the authorities to amass the resources from the federal government down through our state and local partners. and right now we have nearly 5,000 staff that we have coordinated across the federal government within the states of texas and louisiana helping governor abbott as well as the locals respond. right now we're not doing recovery. there's no such thing as recovery right now. right now we are deep into the life safety mission of helping people be rescued through swift water rescues, search and rescue. and it's my job to coordinate that. so specifically what i mean is is that under the national response framework we mission assign the coast guard. we mission assign dod assets in support of our state and local efforts. and you're seeing that take place right now. >> let's talk about -- look, you have to implement the national

flood insurance program. this has been controversial at times, even when there isn't a major storm and major recovery effort here. this insurance program is in debt. are you going to have the money to dole out? are you concerned that congress may have its own fiscal problems and it hurts your -- hampers your efforts to dole out the money you need to deal with this right this instant? >> yeah. we're ready to process all claims with the nfip. and we have well over a thousand people in the field ready to administer that program. that's part of the work force lay down that we have in texas right now. we're already mobilizing. we're encouraging people to reach out to their local insurance policy holders and begin, you know, starting the process as soon as they start to experience flood damage. regarding the nfip program, yes, congress has a lot it of work to fix that program. we need to fix the business framework and the way it looks going forward, but right now i can't worry about that. i've got to worry about the

policies in nors and we're ready to go. >> so you have the money, the authority to pay out all of this regardless of what's happening in congress right now? i mean, that's sort of the question. i get that there is a larger, longer term issue here. >> yes. >> of policy, anybody that files a claim, there's not going to be a delay in you sending them their money? >> no. we have the reserves and the funding to be able to support the policies. now, these things take time to put into effort. there's obviously an inspection process this that goes along with it. so it's built just an immediate pay out. but the bottom line is we will follow the process as designed and we're ready to go. >> and let me close with this and let you talk to people who may be looking for help. maybe wondering in the storm area what should they do. i know the authorities have said stay in place. explain why you want people not venturing out right now in that area. >> so first of all, citizens should listen to their local officials. fee ma does not issue warning orlando communication directly down to the citizens. that would be stepping on our

state and local partners. so it's very important that, you know, citizens listen to their local officials. only call 911 if you are in an emergency and in a dire situation. do not call 911 if you are seeking information. that's very important. only shelter in place if it's a safe place to be. if not, you need to be contacting your local officials on what steps they want you to take. now, one thing that is important is that the president's major disaster declaration is constantly expanding. it's dynamic. we are turning on assistance to all counties that are being impacted in conjunction with our governor -- the governor in texas. but i want to be sure that we're not letting paperwork get in the way of pushing down federal resources to support the best way that we can. so we are moving forward, leaning forward. >> all right. brock long, the fema director. this is going to be weeks and months of recovery effort, not just days. >> chuck, it's going to be

years, sir. yep. it's going to be years. >> fair enough. all right, i. thanks very much. appreciate you coming on for a few minutes here. >> thank you. let me turn now to politics. president trump versus his party. seeing a president run against congress is not new. hear truman famously ran against the sauld do nothing congress in 1948. but truman was a democrat and both houses were controlled by republicans that year. this week president trump went to war with his own party, calling out either by name or implication senators john mccain, jeff flake, mitch mcconnell, bob corker, and speak of the house paul ryan. so what's president trump up to? does he want to take down the republican party and remake it in its own image or simply blow up everything and govern by moefb ating his passionate base? either way he's going to need those republicans he's mocking right now if he's going to get any of his agenda passed in the fall. >> our friends in the senate, oh, boy. >> faced with declining poll numbers and few accomplishments, president trump is intensifying

his attack, but on fellow republicans. and starting at the top. >> we have to speak to mitch. >> i'm very disappointed in mitch. >> even suggesting that senate republican leader mitch mcconnell could lose his job. >> if he doesn't get repeal and replace done and if he doesn't get taxes done, then you can ask me that question. >> "the new york times" reported on tuesday that mcconnell is privately expressed uncertainty that mr. trump will be able to salvage his administration. mcconnell released a statement, not disputing the report, but saying we are committed to advancing our shared agenda together. and anyone who suggests otherwise is clearly not part of the conversation. mcconnell is hardly alone. just since he was inaugurated mr. trump has attacked seven senate republicans by name, calling members of his own party weak, publicity seeking and toxic. much harsher rhetoric than he's used on senate democrats. and trump is making personal loyalty his litmus test for 2018

support, suggesting at a rally in arizona on tuesday that he will support a primary challenging to jeff flake, who has criticized him. >> weak on borders, weak on crime. nobody wants me to talk about him. nobody who the hell he is. >> mr. trump also attacked home state senator john mccain at the arizona rally. the president made no mention of mccain's battle with cancer. on friday he added tennessee's bob corker to the list who questioned trump's stability and competence in the wake of charlottesville. >> strange statement by bob corker considering he is constantly asking me whether he should run or not in 2018. tennessean not happy. >> running against congress is nothing new. >> if you want to break the gid lock in congress, you'll vote. >> but it is unusual for a president to run against members of his party and for the divorce to happen so early in an administration. and more senate republicans are becoming more comfortable breaking with the president. >> the fake news and the crooked media. >> i don't believe that there's

such a thing as fake news. >> we have to close down our government, we're believe that wall. >> this notion of a 2,000 mile wall has always been just for anybody who spends time on the border just, you know, out there. >> still, many elected republicans are nervous about their own voters, and they remain hez at that particular time to buck a president who four out of five republicans still support. >> he's a street fighter. i think most people who voted for him voted for a street fighter. >> and joining me now is the republican governor of ohio, john kasich. welcome back to meet the press. >> hey, chuck, before we get into this. we need to send a contribution either to the salvation army or the red cross. my mother used to say if everybody does a little bit, it's amazing how much will build in the jar. once that flooding comes in your house is never the same. if rch across the country just does a little bit it will be appreciated down in texas. and that's what we've got to do.

>> sadly, some of them will end up having to be condemned. >> absolutely correct. >> all right. let me jump in to what happened on friday that didn't involve a hurricane. the vice president -- former vice president joe buy den wrote this today in the atlantic reacting both to arpaio and charlottesville and i'm curious of your reaction, governor. we have an american president who is elm bolded white supremacists with comfort and support. a week after charlottesville and boston we saw the truth of america, those with the courage to pose hate far out number those who promote it. he won't stop. his contempt for the u.s. constitution and willingness to divide this nation knows no bounds. now he's pardoned a law enforcement official who terrorized the la tee no community. do you see charlottesville and arpaio linked the way the former vice president does? >> well, first of all, chuck, i severely condemned what the president had to say about charlottesville because there is no similarity between hate

groups and everybody else. that's number one. and i did it actually at your network and people across the country applauded it. number two, i actually have the power of pardoning in my state. we do clems siz overtime, but we make sure that people did proper restitution. i wouldn't have done it this way. and it's not -- it is absolutely should be out of bounds for somebody to use that as some sort of a political wedge. it appears as though that's what it was. it's not the way i operate here with the power to be able to give people a second channels. the president has that power. i don't agree with what he did. it's not the way i operate. my actions renext the way i feel. >> what the former vice president, though, was saying is that this is sending first it sent a chilling message to african americans and jewish folks on his message to charlottesville. pardoning arpaio looks like it is a thumb in the eye to

hispanic americans. >> well, i tell you, i am worried and concerned about these i.c.e. folks that go into peoples homes and they grab mom and dad and try to ship them out of the country and they leave the kids on the front porch of the we talked about this in the campaign. i was one of the few voices, i said a lot of things that didn't happen, tear up the iran deal. you know, we're going to throw everybody out of the country. we're going to ban all the muslims. sort of funny because i was on the stage and i was saying no, i don't think that's the way you do public policy and what you find is most of the things that are being done, a lot of them are being reversed or they haven't happened. in terms of the targeting of people that are in this country? look, we don't -- when people illegally got in here, we don't condone that, but if they've been in this country and they have not been committing crimes and they've been actually building businesses and being part of their community, going and dprabing them and shipping them out, that doesn't bring our country together. look, i think at the end, chuck, we keep talking about the

president. >> yep. >> maybe starting with the flood business, it is time for us to figure out what institutions we're a part of from the bottom up that can bring some unity in this country. we don't have to keep looking to washington. everybody focuses on washington. what about everything else happening in this country, whether it's gouging profits by businesses or whether it's putting sports figures on the field who did improper things or whether it's the clergy that does things that are out of bounds. i mean, nobody is looking for saint hood, but the whole country needs to come together and stop looking at washington. figure out what you can do as part of your entity to race the country and bring some unity. >> look, i get the sentiment and i think plenty of people on both sides of the aisle are going to applaud that, but the reality we're in is the relate we're in. >> congress should assert itself, chuck. >> and i was just going to ask you. >> congress should assert himself. let them get their act together and pass the agenda they want. their problem is they're fighting not only are we fighting across the aisle, but

they're fighting internally. and these leaders, just they can't just go and force somebody to cast a vote a certain way. look, i do believe there is a path towards stabilizing the health -- the excan changes on health care and working with john hickenlooper who is a terrific guy. there is a way to deal with our financial problems. we've got to get our act together internally, then push it out to the other party. >> all right. let me ask you a few specifics. if you were still sitting in congress, paul ryan, like you, criticized the president's decision to pardon. when ford pardoned nixon, he had to appear before congress. congress scrutinized that pardon, put it under committee process. when bill clinton pardoned march rich a donor with questionable it's iks, congress skrut iced. but no both cases the other party was in charge. should speaker ryan instruct the house judiciary committee to scrutinize this pardon? does it deserve more -- >> chuck, we've got enough problems. we have enough problems to start

figuring out why he did this. okay? i don't know. i just think that we just keep grinding this down. and to me, what paul ryan ought to figure out is how he can get his people together to pass a health care law that isn't going to cut 20 million people off the rolls. he ought to figure out how we can deal with entitlement reform at the same time we pass the debt limit. he's got to figure out how we're going to do the things that we need to do to make sure that we begin to move the country forward. can't keep looking backward w. we've got to look forward, and it has to be a strong agenda. and i tell you, chuck, i'm absolutely convinced that you cannot deal with those who are way out here playing politics all the time. you've got to build your coalitions from the middle out. and that includes involving democrats. i mean, that is not a dirty word. the republicans get to call the tune. but you just can't do it alone. how do you think you're going to get tax reform if you don't have both parties involved?

it will not happen, period. >> let me ask you about that with both parties. obviously there was some fun speculation about 2020 bubbling up, and the idea you mentioned john hickenlooper, the governor of kal that you two are working together to kind of come up with a bipartisan fix here on these state exchanges and the health care law in general. and somebody floated the idea that it could be a 2020 unity ticket. could you imagine yourself leaving the republican party to do something like this? >> chuck, look. kasich hickenlooper. first of all, you couldn't pronounce it and secondly, you couldn't fit it on a bumper sticker. who r here is what i do want to say. >> that's not a denial. just because you can't put it on -- >> the answer is no. here is what i do want people to think about this. because hickenlooper and i work together, sin iks out there say well, they want something. because we want to stabilize health care and milwaukee sure that poor people have something, is people assume there's a motive. you know, sometimes people actually do things because they're trying to help somebody.

and when we do that everybody ut want to say what's in it for them. this growing cynicism eats ae fabic of the spirit of our country. it's really ago -- not much that aggravates me. that does. >> let me ask you this. whose party is this, donald trump's or the republican party you joined 30 odd years ago. >> well, i have a right to define what the republican party is. he has a right to define it. look, you know, you can respect the president, but so what, you can disagree with him. i'm the governor and i've got a legislature that has over rid den me the last couple of days with some vetoes that i gave. they have a right to say what they want to say and i've got a right to say what i want to say. but together you hope that you can pull together to have a defining philosophy. the problem with the democrats, i can't figure out what they're for. i mean, they have a golden opportunity, right, to be able to come in and win laektsz, but they can't figure out anything other than the fact that they don't like donald trump. they'd better figure out what they are. what's happened to the democratic party?

it's almost lost its soul and it better get its act together if they want to compete. competition in this country for ideas, positive ideas, that is the essence of politics. but, chuck, look, i've got to say one more time. if you're in business, you work for a pharmaceutical company and you got sky high profits and you're cutting people off and not doing r&d and not investigating in stock buy back, stop it. sh needs to start doing something to raise the bar and stop waiting on somebody else or blaming somebody else and say well, they didn't do it. therefore, i don't have any responsibility. baloney. we see what the dysfunction in our country -- we can't wait for it to be fixed out of the white house anymore. we've got to do it where we are. and that includes you, chuck todd, being responsible in the news. >> look, and i have to say this, john kasich. you did a good job of actually previewing or next segment because one of the segmental is what does the democratic party stand for besides being against trump. you previewed it.

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very quickly i want to get to hurricane response by the president. these were the series of tweets he did after super storm sandy criticizing then president trump saying -- essentially saying it would be a photo op. he'll get to buy the election by handing out billions. as people have noted there's a tweet for everybody when it comes to president trump. but he just tweeted this this morning. i will be going to texas as soon as that trip can be made without causing disruption. the focus must be life and safety. this is a case where the president realizes, yeah, his own words, optics may look bad here. >> that's true. people don't remember, but president bush didn't go initially to louisiana for katrina because of the same reason, because when the president comes, the police are involved, all the ambulances are

involved. he has a big footprint. so the decision makes sense. >> katy, let's go to this friday, what he did and the fact that the hurricane, you would think, all of the focus of this white house would be on the hurricane. >> yeah. >> and instead, he also threw in the arpaio pardon, did the transgender ban. it was like news explosion at 8 on a friday evening when we're all glued how bad is this storm going to be. >> bad news comes on fridays. it's the reason you put it out on fridays and you can argue that a lot of bad news where everybody is focused on somebody else. there's an argument to be made that the white house was not focused directly on the people of the hurricane. they should have been focused on that completely and not focused on trying to get other things that would get negative attention through. the arpaio tweet was coming. i mean, he hinted at it not so subtly the other day when he was

in arizona. maybe the staff was trying to bury it because they knew they were going to have to do it one way or the other. maybe trying to turn attention on himself. both of those arguments are really easy to make. he criticized the past president for his response to the hurricane. the damage and devastation is still on going and this morning he's tweeting about himself. he's tweeting about how he's going to missouri and how he won that state by a lot. he's also tweeting an endorsement for a book by sheriff clark. so his attention is not wholey focused on the millions of people in this country who are dealing with a massive flood situation. >> republicans on capitol hill uncomfortable at best and apoplectic at worst. >> what's confusing to me i see all the republicans that are responding to the criticism that he has laid out against them in his war against his own party. the problem is they don't have their own narrative. what is it that the republicans

on capitol hill are doing, what are they standing for, what are they fighting for? where are necessity? this is the question that all conservatives have. what are you doing? >> they assume the president was going to sort of detail all this. >> i mean, i think there's that, but there's this idea that the president and the congress are in this almost business like relationship where the president thinks that senators work for him and don't actually see them as a parallel body of goth. so you have senators trying to in some ways doing this dance where they're trying to support the president because they know they have to work with him, but also trying to hold on to their own legacies, not i think when it comes to elections because obviously in their actual elections they're going to be facing donald trump's base, but they're really trying to, i think, in their own consciousness make this argument to themselves that they're being good people by pushing back on him. >> michael, where is this going, though? i mean, he keeps -- i think republicans on capitol hill have given up on him, but they can't say it. >> i agree with that. i think it was a turning point week in a certain way because of

phoenix. this is a president who when he talks about reconciliation from a teleprompter is board when he says it. when he goes in and defends arpaio and defends the guy that tweeted significant highly in phoenix, he is fully engaged. and i think republicans are looking at this and saying he's revealing his heart. the question is can they have aid shadow government like an argument today. >> pete warren. >> can you have a separate identity from the president of the united states. but his super power is dominating the news. that's what his main, you know, role is. and it's very, very difficult. >> but i think that when you think about -- the president always gets this -- people always say that the president doesn't have an ideology, that he's not really a republican, but i think what he is in some ways is someone who really believes that immigrants are terrible people. he really believes that this country in some ways was originally a white country and originally is a country that is now kind of pushing away its

culture and that southern culture. something that struck me bh he talked about phoenix, he said that people are trying to take aware our history and our heritage. i think there in that window when he says that, what he's talking is the original idea of america. and when i think about how the president goes and pardons sheriff arpaio and then is kind of saying that sheriff's clark's book is something that you should buy. what you're seeing is the fact that he endorses racial discrimination. he's someone who looks at a sheriff who almost bankrupted his own county trying to pursue people who were latino and racial rl profiling them who wasn't investigating sex crimes because he wanted to go after people who were sometimes american citizens h. that's what i want to get behind. that's what really kpiets me. >> i was shaking my head because first of all, i don't think that the republicans are capitol hill are competing with the president. i think they've given up. and i can't understand why. i think a lot of us don't

understand why they -- it's not a shadow government. they are an equal branch of government. they can legislate. and he will sign anything. and if donald trump is all the things you said, and i'm actually not persuaded he is because i don't think donald trump has ideas like you described. i think donald trump's main ideology is donald trump. that's the problem he has with republicans. it's the problems he has with democrats. that's what he's excited talking about is himself. >> the republican party is really diverse, though, and that's part of the problem why they can't get things done. their caucus is all over the place from conservative to moderate and they don't have the president leading and they can't go against him because they're in a really tough position because they don't know who is going to turn out for them in the next re-election. is it going to be trump voter or republican voters. this is donald trump. this is not the same as it always has been. >> i'm not going to resolve this here. we're going to do a quick pause. when we come back, as john kasich helpfulel said earlier, for all the talk about the dilgs function of the republican party, what about the democrats? do they have a strategy beyond criticizing the ♪

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a majority. see 2016. so what do they do? joining me now is sherrod brown, the democrat senator from ohio. senator brown, welcome back to the show, sir. >> good to be back. thanks, chuck. >> let me start with you rhetorically answering a question that john kasich, your governor, put out there. essentially was saying the democrats have a golden opportunity and he doesn't know what they stand for beyond being anti-trump. he didn't realize that is how we were setting up this segment. is that a fair criticism that both us in the media and republicans are making right you now? >> not entirely. but i'll start with this. i applaud my governor, republican. i'm a democrat. i applaud him for standing with us to fight back against the republican plan to take health insurance away from, in my state, 900,000. around the country 22 million. what was interesting about that, chuck, is that a bunch of members of congress in both houses who get insurance paid

for by taxpayers were willing to take away from millions and millions of americans. and thank governor kasich for standing on that. that's what democrats stand for. but fundamentally this is -- you win elections by contrast. and we've seen a president of the united states who probably won ohio because in fundamentally ohio, most ohioness haven't had i a raise in the last 20 years. they've seen wages go up, profits go up. they've seen executive compensation go up. they've seen their wages flat. and this president in the white house in the last seven months has done nothing for workers. i have. i'm doing it now. i'll continue to do it. that's what democrats stand for. that's how you win ohio. >> let me point out something. that was the -- david bet res, he was the chair of the democratic party in ma honing county, ohio and he wrote this in a memo right after the election. he said, look, i'm as progressive as anybody, okay? but people in the heart land thought the democratic party cared more about where someone else went to the rest room than

whether they had a good-paying job. i know what you said about your -- what you've done in ohio. but speak as the democratic party as a whole. do you understand why some people in the heart land saw that? >> well, i understand what the press coverage is of all of this. and i understand that democrats will always stand up to hate speech, whether it's coming from the president or whether it's coming from the klan or the nazis and the anti-semites and the racists in virginia and the 35 organizations identified in ohio that are hate groups. i understand -- democrats always stand up for that because we are the party of justice. con any and i last night were at a dinner with the human rights campaign talking about the importance of human rights. but i also know that people in my state, they support my position on trade. i opposed nafta, one of the first votes i've ever cast. i've stood up to presidents of both parties against bad trade agreements. when president obama, his last

couple of years in office, the secretary of labor came out with an overtime rule. 130,000 people in my state got a raise from that h. this president --up, the white house looks like an executive retreat for goldman sachs now, and the president surrounds himself with that. they're trying to weaken this overtime rule. it really is whose side you stand on. i stand with david betreasury in ma honey valley. i understand exactly what he said. and he's right about democrats fighting for workers. i've always done that. as you know, chuck, i wrote a book about trade. i understand what we need to do for a different trade policy to raise wages, to help those workers. in the end it's whose side are you on. this president is on the side of wall street and big oil and the drug companies. my clear has not been. and you understand that and you know that 6789 john kasich know that. >> let me ask you, though, about trade. this president keeps threatening to cancel nafta. i assume that might be welcome news to your ears. if that's what he does, are you

going to support this president in doing that? >> i first do a shout out to u.s. trade rep wiser. he is the best appoint tee in the trump administration. i talk to him at least every two weeks. we are talking about nafta renegotiation, how we do it. we start off by buy -- the preconditions for negotiations, starting with buy america provisions, with the anti-outsourcing provisions. i want workers' voices at the table. i don't want these trade agreements written by corporate interests, then using these trade agreements to shut down production in newark and toe lee dough, ohio and mansfield and use -- that's what a trade policy is about. the president's problem is he's surrounded in the white house with a bunch of people that like those trade agreements, and so representative light highser, the ambassador light highser has to figure out how do you get this white house to support him

on wanting to renegotiate nafta and put workers first. that's the problem we face. that's what i fight for in the finance committee -- >> if he sticks by this, you will continue to work with him on this? >> two days after the election, as disheartened as i was and my friends were and so many of us in ohio were, i called the president's head of his transition and offered to help him renegotiate nafta, offered him to reinforce trade wills especially for steel. i talked to him about the trans-pacific partnership. so i've been there all along. i sat with trade representative light houser with senator portman, my colleague colleague, with senator dole, who was his boss accident sat with him in the finance committee to introduce him to my colleagues. i work with his president. when he's right on trade, it's mixed. i don't know if he's going to be right on trade because he's not really done anything on it yet except make speeches. >> and let me ask finally about this idea, is the democratic party a big tent party? are you comfortable -- you ran,

for instance, on tougher border security in 2006. you voted for the secure fence act. in these days can you be a democrat in good standing and take a tougher line on immigration or will the base of the democratic party throw you out? >> no. the base of the democratic party is not tloeg me out. i fight for all the things, the values that this country stood for for decades. i think the border wall is ludicrous. i stand for a strong immigration policy because i want to see us bipartisanel do what we tried to do a few years ago, even with president bush and later with president obama. i want to work with senator rubio in florida. i want to work with others. i listen to what governor kasich said. it's terrible when we take people -- when we are taking immigrants who have been here ten or 15 years and working hard, paying their taxes, active in their church, in communities, parents and we throw them out of this country. governor kasich is dead right on that. we have no business doing that. that inhumane policy coming from

the administration is just part and parcel to what he's been for the last seven years. >> what's the difference between you supporting a face and the president's call for a wall? >> no. there was money for security and they had some language in there as many people in both parties voted for but not to spend tense of millions of dollars to build a wall. i've never supported that. i spoke out against that from the day candidate trump proposed it. you know that, chuck. >> thanks for coming on this morning. i appreciate it. >> sure. >> well, president trump's pardoning of arizona's sheriff joe arpaio has many conservatives cheering and liberals crying foul. up next, why arpaio has been su david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations

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back now with the panel. i did the hits runs and errors of joe arpaio because he is somebody that's actually got higher name id among hispanic americans than all americans. the spanish language news has covered him extensively. donald trump and him became kin drid spirits over --

congratulations to real sheriff joe on his successful cold case positives i investigation. that's how they became kin drid spirits. here we are, dan yel. >> you caught me rolling my ice at that tweet. you know, it is absolutely staggering that he chose to make this decision and chose to use the power of the presidency in this way. and the response by some of my kin drid spirits, can is that barak obama pardoned people who were unzerk of a pardon is not an excuse for donald trump. this used to be a country that was built on immigration. this used to be a country that loved the infusion that we got, the energy from hispanics, i tal yans, after cans, whoever they were. and suddenly the president of the united states says no this kind of a scumbag is really worthy of my attention from the white house and worthy of my constitutional power. >> michael, there's a lot of precedents this could set that many people are concerned about, from law enforcement to the russia probe. >> yeah. i mean, this guy has a career of did he humanization.

that's what he stood for in his position. and it fits, though. in a certain way met forically i think trump is pardoning his own approach to politics. he's pardoning himself by pardoning arpaio because this is a politics based on did he humanization. in his case, muslims, migrants, refugees. >> don't forget members of the media. >> right. exactly. yeah. but so i think that, you know, in a weird way this is a self pardon. >> every that goes against us, x, x, x, he said that in december of 2015 at a rally in grand rapids, michigan and he means that. anybody that criticizes him is his enemy. anybody that supports his ideas and supports him as a president is his friend. and joe arpaio really embodies that. he was somebody -- their relationship boss somd after that birthism. it cemented itself in july 2015 when the president or donald trump as a candidate went to

phoenix. and joe arpaio stood with him. they campaigned together. they are one and the same when it comes to the immigration issue. donald trump's beliefs are joe arpaio's beliefs. and when we talk about him and we talk about all the wild things that donald trump does on a daily basis, we're not talking about anything else that's going on in this country. our attention is solely focused on whatever donald trump says or does on a given day. >> you know, it's interesting. i just want to point this out because we've talked about the fight between donald trump and the party. there's a fight in the administration between donald trump and his own administration. rex tillerson, secretary of state was on another sunday morning program on fox and he's asked by chris wallace if the president speaks for american values on race, and rex tillerson's quote was simply the president speaks for himself. >> rex tillerson hopes that that is actually true. he hopes that people watching the republican party, voters that are looking at this, he hopes that people look at that and thinks that donald trump is speaking for himself.

but in reality donald trump is one, he's the president of the united states. and when he speaks, he's speaking for the country and he's speaking for republicans. when i think about joe arpaio and what he -- president trump is pardoning himself because he's sending to progressives and people who spend years fighting back against him defeating him innen aelection and in the court system to actually get him convicted of a courtroom. he's telling them like i won and this is the way the country is going to be won. >> roger stone was like eat at liberals. danny, does anybody care? >> well, i think some people care, we care about rule of law and i think the democratic party care about rule of law. we've said again and again this is not a normal presidency in the normal sense of the word. he's like a sul tan. his family is around him. and loyalty is everything. you're exactly right. joe arpaio who deserves to be pardoned because he was good to donald trump.

that's the only standard that matters. >> and that may be the ideology there. we'll be back in 45 seconds with end game and a gift that hillary clinton may be about to give donald trump. - as parents, we worry about our kids being on devices too much, but it turns out they're just as worried about us. 28% of teens feel their parents are addicted to their mobile devices. now that's a direct message.

you're exactly right. donald trum back now with end game. it's possible the president's twitter feed is going to explode in mid september. first because of your book, katy tur, of course. because also because hillary clinton is coming out with a book. and they clearly are wanting to market it. they released this audio kpecht of her feegz about the second debate where they roamed the stage together. take a listen. >> do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren't repeatedly invading your space? or do you turn, look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly, back up, you creep. get away from me. i know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me, so back up.

>> wow. can't wait to hear -- how is donald trump going to handle, katy -- >> crooked hillary clinton is the first thing we're going to hear. listen, donald trump always benefited whenever hillary clinton was in the news. when she was criticizing him, he could use her as a foil. he doesn't have that good foil right now. mitch mcconnell is not the foil that people want him to be going after. hillary clinton works because it's somebody that an mates his base, not only his base, it an mates independence who held their nose and voted for him. an mates soft democrats. and it underscores once again that the democrats don't have a unifying force that is leading them through this. they don't know where to go. so hillary clinton is certainly a gift. >> sounds like her book is going to be very backward looking. and democrats, they're going to get split on this. i don't want to read about it, but at the same time they do feel her pain. >> the thing that the party wants to do most is focus on a better teal and focus on rise

and organize. they're having real issues because their slogans are so vague. when i was talking to her, i said what are your actual goals here. we have to be a party that stands up as senator brown said to racism, to bigotry, but we also have to be a party that has an economic message. i told her that kid rock is using rise or organize because it's so vague. >> all right. i have to leave it there. a week that i needed a lot more time. i apologize. you guys have a lot more to say. we'll talk about it after the show. we'll be back next week, though, and we'll have this conversation next womb as well because if it's sunday, it's "meet the rosemary connors: thrill-seeking risk-takers.

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