president trump and the lack of civility in politics. a week that began with a fight over what president trump said to a grieving widow. >> he must have known what he signed up for. how can you say that to a grieving widow. >> didn't say what that congress woman said >> ends with two former presidents criticizing the current one without mentioning him by names. >> politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication. >> if you have to win a campaign by dividing people you will not be able to govern them. >> my guests on civility, health care, tax cuts and attack on u.s. soldiers in africa, chuck schumer and republican senator

lindsey graham. that republican civil war. >> there has not been a more destructive presidency than george bush's. >> more evidence that the republican party is showing signs of splitting in two. and in the wake of the harvey weinstein scandal we ask female senators to share their me too stories with "meet the press." >> he slammed the door and lunged for me. >> i have a story. >> he looked at me and paused and said did you bring your knee pads. >> remarkable stories of what happened to powerful women early in their careers. joining me for insight and analysis are tom friedman, daniel pletka. robert costa for the "washington post" and cooper, pentagon correspondent for the "new york times." welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, celebrating

its 70th year this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. this was a week when attention should have been focussed on issues with real life consequences, future of health care, tax cuts and ambush that resulted in four american service men being killed but it was a side show what president trump reportedly said to the widow of one of the fallen soldiers that dominated the headlines and illuminated the erosion. the battles that president trump engages in with democrats, media and members of his own party appeared to prop two former presidents and a former nominee. the latest twitter/cable cat nip soap opera began when president trump claimed incorrectly that he alone among presidents made a point of calling and comforting

the families of those who died in defense of the country. >> most of them didn't make calls, a lot of them didn't make calls. >> when even condolences to gold star military families became politicized. >> didn't say what that congress woman said. didn't say it at all. >> florida congress woman says the president told the widow of sergeant johnson that your guy knew what he signed up for. >> he doesn't need to talk about what people sign up for. that is unconscionable. >> mr. trump rather than going out himself sent his chief of staff to clean up the mess. >> it stuns me that a member of congress would listen in on the conversation. >> if you want to get in a debate that is something highly inappropriate. >> last night all five living former presidents gathered in texas to raise money for

hurricane relief, an effort they are calling the one america appe appeal. >> the heart of america without regard to race or religion or political party is greater than our -- >> mr. trump taped a video message, as well. >> through this effort all five are playing a tremendous role in helping our fellow citizens recover. >> it was a show of unity after a week in which presidents bush and obama broke the expresident's code of silence and indicted president trump's brand of politics without mentioning him by name. >> bigotry seems emboldened, politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories. >> if you have to win a campaign by dividing people you are not going to be able to govern them. >> echoing another rebuke of president trump this one by

senator john mccain. >> half baked nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems. >> while the white house chose not to respond mr. trump's former chief strategist steve bannon did respond on an attack on president bush friday night and called for open revolt inside the republican party. >> he has no idea whether he is coming or going just like when he was president of the united states. there has not been a more destructive presidency than george bush's. >> and as for the president himself, he so far as only responded directly to senator mccain. >> people have to be careful because at some point i fight back. i'm being very nice. at some point i fight back and it won't be pretty. >> joining me now is republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina. >> good morning. >> lovely morning. i know you always love being

here on weeks like this. you were tough on candidate donald trump. in fact, i think right before you got out you called him a race baiti ing religious bigot. you heard what president bush said. where are we? >> he won, i lost. president bush is still popular in the republican party. but donald trump couldn't have won without rejecting the last 16 years really when you think about it. there were a lot of people like bush running in our primary and all of them got creamed. clinton was not the greatest candidate. if president obama what what the american people wanted to continue then trump wouldn't have won. i say to both former presidents i admire president bush a lot. president obama, i don't think any of us get why president trump won. >> you don't understand yet? >> i think i do. >> you just said you didn't think. >> i think president bush -- i'm

more in the bush camp on foreign policy. mccain's speech was about not going down the bannon road. when you look at who is around president trump he has more people like john mccain and lindsey graham than bannon. in the primary he rejected basically the bush model of foreign policy and in the general election -- >> that's on substance and that is fine. when did civility become an issue. when did this idea of it is more important to land that bunch? that's what i argue with both former presidents were referring to. >> it became part of the discourse when it came down the escalator. the first thing donald trump talked about was pretty tough and he never stopped and he won. >> what does that say about us? >> it means we want somebody who is not traditional and we are sick and tired of the status quo

whether it being obama or bush and people felt so bad about their government they had nothing to lose. they were going to pick a guy that was rich and liked being rich and says i'm going to make you rich, a guy who says i'm tired of being all over the world involved in business except ours. >> look at this week and ask why couldn't he take the high ground? that's what it is. it's not about to me business, the customer is always right and in this the grieving widow is always right. i guess i ask why do you think he couldn't take the high road? >> it start whd they criticized have you reached out to the four fallen soldiers' families and then he brings up president obama. no doubt that president obama and michelle obama are heart broke every time a soldier fell on their watch and having been around president trump a lot lately that he loves the military. general kelly tried to give him advice about how to talk about these things. president trump may have

delivered it inartfully. i can promise you this if president obama was on the end of the phone i would not have politicized this like congress woman wilson. >> there are no winners here. >> none. everybody is trying to sit here and find blame in the other side. >> the winners are the american people to have four young men that would be willing to go and leave their family to a place out in the middle of nowhere to fight terrorists so they don't come here. i urge president trump let's talk about the four soldiers. how about time on who they were and why they did what they did and all those like them. >> i want to know and a lot of people want to know why they were there. i will go through a quick timeline because we don't know a lot. on october 4 we were told that it was counter terrorism training. october 5 it was a

reconnaissance patrol. october 6 we were told they were there to establish relations with local leaders. john kelly on october 19 three days ago said i actually know a lot more than i'm letting on but i'm not going to tell you. john mccain had to threaten a subpoena to get john mattis to talk to you guys briefly. what more can you tell us about why we were there? >> they are going to brief us next week as to why they were there and what they were doing. i got insight on why they were there. i can say this to the families they were there to defend america. they were there to help allies and there to prevent another platform to attack america and our allies. senator mccain is frustrated. we don't know where we are at in the world militarily so john mccain will try to create a new system to make sure we can answer the question why we were there and how many soldiers are there and if somebody gets killed there that we won't find

out about it in the paper. john mccain and i think general mattis will come up with a new process i hope. you used alarming words when you said we don't want the next 9/11 to come from there. you are making the case that this is all part of the same war that you guys authorized in 2002 that the same war that you authorized that we thought was about afghanistan and then it turned to iraq and then used for lib libya, for syria and now another continent. >> i don't think the isil affiliated forces have capability to attack united states. you had a government that fell replaced by the taliban or government that invited international terrorists in. so what i worry about africa it becomes the new platform for people to come to, the ungoverned spaces of africa is where terrorists will come and

there are some groups within this system of terrorist groups in africa that would attack our allies. >> there is no victory here. i say this because this is a week we got raca. we make a substantial progress against isis in syria and iraq and now it is whack a mole and they are popping up here. this goes to the same thing we had ten years ago pushing al qaeda back but then al qaeda reformed with a new name. >> it's a generational struggle. if you don't think it is a generational struggle you don't understand the war. it is spreading throughout the world particularly africa. if you think it is done in a short period of time -- if you take off means of how you fight this war there is an authorization that limited the war based on time, geography and means i would vote against it because the war is morphing and going to places that we haven't

heard of before. we will follow the terrorists wherever they go. we will use whatever moo means we need to with partners to destroy them and most people are not ready for that but i am. >> are we going to need a new war authorization. sounds like you are arguing no. >> i am arguing that the current authorization is enough. the military determines who the threats are. they come up with the engagement policy. if we don't like what the military does we can defund the operation. i didn't know there were 1,000 troops. john mccain is right to tell the military because this is an endless war you have to tell us more and he is right to say that. >> you have come on this show numerous times and said russia needs to be punished. you passed a tough sanctions bill. there was a deadline of october 1. it is not october 1.

it is october 20 and sanctions have not been implemented. why? >> i think the trump administration is slow when it comes to russia. they have a blind spot on russia i can't figure out. i can tell you what happened in '16. >> at what point is that circumstantial evidence? >> wherever the russian investigation takes us it will take us. in '16 they interfered in our elections. in '18 and '20 they are coming back against us. what are the rules of engagement? did what they did in 2016 amount to an act of war? we are really not weld together as a nation in terms of threats we are facing from the cyber arena. russia will get worse if not better. go after russia because they are coming after us. >> how do you hold them accountable? >> congress will have a way to hold the president accountable. i think he is beginning to understand threats we face better and better each day.

>> thanks for coming on. no four letter words this time. >> the day is not over. >> fair enough. we'll see what my next guest thinks. joining me now is senate democratic leader chuck schumer of new york. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning. >> i want to start. as the senate democratic leader have you been briefed? sgr >> was jack reed briefed? >> i don't believe he was either. he sent a letter along with john mccain demanding that they come in and brief them. >> i understand that. if you get this briefing and you heard what senator graham believes this is part of the larger battle against radical islamist fundamentalism and the spread of it taking place in africa, what does this mean for the war authorization? senator graham didn't know we had a thousand troops there.

did you? >> i did not. what it means for the war authorization is i agreed with senator paul that we ought to look at this carefully. we are in a brave new world. there are no set battle plans. you don't declare war and fight three weeks later. having said that the constitution says congress has the power to declare war. if you are in a long term war congress ought to keep that. we need to reexamine this. we are on an aumf that extends 16 years from right after we were attacked at the world trade center. i would be for reexamining it. absolutely. there is no easy answer. the answer we have now is not adequate. >> how do you describe it any other way than never ending war? >> look, terrorism and technology has allowed terrorists to do bad things to us. our military is very, very good and that's why we are having such success in syria and iraq.

>> let me stop you there. why is that considered a success? i say it this way is because it seems we had success in afghanistan until we didn't. we had success in iraq until we didn't. we had success and now popping up in central africa. the point i guess is how do you define success because it seems short term victories are just that, short-term? >> two years ago it looks like isis would have a caliphate. when they had territory they could get money out of big cities. they can't do that. can they try oo hurt us? yes. to say that we haven't won the war isn't to say that we haven't had some successes. >> i will move to health care. it seems as if the democrats are a lot more enthusiastic about the bipartisan deal between senators alexander and murray than republicans are. so let me ask you this.

it's clear that they want -- the administration wants a little bit more in this deal in order to get these payments back to the insurance companies. so what are you willing -- are you willing to do more? >> this is a good compromise. it took months to work out. it has a majority, 60 senators supporting it. we have 12 republicans. i urge senator mcconnell to put it on the floor immediately this week. it will pass by a large number of votes. that will put pressure on the house because let's not forget what this bill does is prevent premiums from going up 20% even more in some states. that falls on everybody's back. and if republicans think that if premiums go up they are going to avoid the blame he is wrong. for the substantive reason preventing premiums going up, but because the republicans are in charge and should be coming

up with the solution and senator alexander did we should pass it. and pass it now. you can always say i won't pass it unless this happens and democrats says i won't pass it unless that happens. we can get together in a bipartisan way. the president called both senators murray and alexander and said come to a solution. and then they come to a solution. the right wing attacks it and backs off. that's not leadership. that's the whole problem. the president is not leading on issue after issue after issue. he should stop tweeting and start leading. roll up his sleeves and solve problems. don't attack so-called enemies. that will reduce the coarsening of the debate that you correctly point out. >> let me ask you specific on health care the issue of creating association health care plans something he did an executive order on and something they would like to see become a part of the deal that loosens regulations that allow for the creation of this. the democrats are not in the majority in congress.

don't you almost have an obligation that you probably have to give a little bit more since the republicans are the ones in charge? >> we gave on copper plans. the republicans always wanted copper plans. these are minimal plans. we didn't like it. i remember during health care debate president obama didn't like it. that was a big concession. you can't negotiate a deal and shake hands and say i do it only if you add this and then the other side says add that and then the deal collapses. if you let perfect be enemy of good you won't accomplish. >> you're not budging? are democrats done negotiating? >> we have a very good deal. mcconnell should put it on the floor. it will pass overwhelmingly. if ryan puts it on the floor it will pass the house overwhelmingly. >> are you still willing to talk? >> we have an agreement. we want to stick by it. >> i understand that. are you willing to talk or no? >> we are sticking to the

agreement we have. put it on the floor. see if it fails. you're asking me to negotiate against myself. i have been around long enough i don't do that. >> let me ask you about deals with the president. it looks like you guys had a deal on daca. now it appears as if the delay, the idea of congress codifying the protection for these so-called dreamers is going to get postponed again. is that what is happening? 24 president is going to protect, sign an order that protects them longer than march of 2018 extends it through the end of the year in order for you guys to keep negotiating? >> i would hope that we can get daca done before the end of the year. there is overwhelming support in the house and senate once again to deal with these kids. even the president has expressed simp skpaeth i think in this case it is genuine for the daca kids. what happened here, same thing on health care. we came to an agreement.

the right wing attacked and he backed off. he cannot let a fringe wing of the republican party run the show or his presidency will not accomplish anything. that is the greatest against him. what he ought to do is follow through on the agreement he had with leader pelosi. if not we will figure out a way to get this done before the end of the year. we think it is really important. >> you still think end of the year. the president targeted you this week on the issue of iran and said demsenator schumer hated the iran deal made by president obama and now that i am involved he is okay with it. tell that to israel, chuck. why aren't you happy to have an opportunity to potentially make the deal tougher or to renegotiate the deal? why aren't you embracing the president's move here? >> general mattis isn't. general mattis and our military leaders and i believe secretary

of state as well has said that is not in our national security to undo the deal. if we were to undo the deal iran would not be squeezed because the europeans would continue to trade with iran and sanctions only work if we all do them. i thought it could have been negotiated much better. we are in a different situation now. the most immediate threat from iran is not as part of the deal which everyone agrees they have not violated the nuclear part but two other things. one, icbms, they are building them. they are arming hezbollah to the teeth particularly in lebanon with rockets that could damage israel. we ought to come up with tough new sanctions that go after iran on those things but don't violate jcpoa. we have already enacted some sanctions and the president as usual is tweeting away but just like with russia he hasn't en t enacted the sanctions. the presidency doesn't get anything done.

all he does is spend his time tweeting and degrading his so-called enemies. that doesn't work and demeans the presidency. >> i will leave it there. >> sorry about the yankees. got to throw that in. >> good for houston, though. they need something to pull for. thank you, sir. coming up, the future of health care, taxes and the loss of civility in our politics. and then later -- >> you know, i have a story. >> yes, i have a me, too story too. >> i have been propositioned by teachers, by my colleagues. >> growing awareness of se their experience is coveted. their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of - researchers of technologies that one day, you will.

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danielle platka and tom friedman and his latest best seller is in paperback. he is now a paperback writer. come on. it's a few people get it. i'm going to start with you. we had two former presidents break the code. the code of ex-presidents going that extra level of back seat driving the current occupant. it's not as if bush and obama haven't made opinions known about trump during the campaign. how seriously should the public take this? >> i think what is going on, chuck, is a real crisis of authority. something i talked about on the show once before i quoted my friend. there is a big difference between formal authority and moral authority. we have a president who has formal authority. i would argue he has lost all of his moral authority. that is why he had to bring out general kelly, four star mu

wreen general because he stid had formal authority and moral authority. unfortunately, general kelly by saying things that were false about that congress woman really lost i think a lot of his moral authority. now we have a situation where the white house spokes woman had to invoke his formal authority that he was a four star marine general to basically shut up the press. everyone has lost their moral authority. i think that is a real crisis for the country. when we are in a real crisis and we need a trust i think something has been lost here. >> here is what peggy noonen said. fdr, teddy roosevelt and ronald reagan were pretty tough on race. >> i think president bush with all respect for the analysis about moral authority which i think is fair i think president bush and president obama don't

get what the issue is. there is a crisis of faith in government. the american people much like many people around the world don't believe that government is in this for them or don't believe they are being served, think they are corrupt. what those two gentlemen said while we may agree with them aren't going towards solving the problem. >> should we be concerned that their anger is based on fabrications? like they are angry at things that didn't happen but they think they did because they are being fed divisive rhetoric. >> you and i might as well say it is because of fake news. >> we need to answer the crisis of faith in our leadership not simply focus on the fact that donald trump is there. lindsey graham was absolutely right. lindsey graham said this isn't just about one guy. he got elected. we may not like it but he got

elected. what are those folks looking for? >> i think it is hard to talk about restoring americans faith in the government when you have representatives of the government standing in front of the american people and telling false stories. i think tom is completely right that general kelly lost a huge amount of credibility when he said what he did about representative wilson and that just takes away -- you see the white house bleeding out this credibility issue. >> when i was at the capital this week i talked with some senators on the republican side. a lot of them echoed senator graham saying privately they are in lock step with president george w. bush and respect president obama's comments. they believe the country in part because they told me about the obama and bush perezancies has lost faith in the institutions and national political parties and because of rising populism the leaders in washington don't

feel able to navigate this moment. >> why can't you have this populism and anger without -- david brooks wrote this. through his daily utterances trump is influencing the nation in powerful ways. the point is the idea of role model and going back to moral authority, can't the president do this, torch the establishment and at the same time set a high bar? >> i mean, there is so much elitest being slapped around about all of this. and the answer is that donald trump is a reflection of something and he is who he is. for those of us who don't like it and those of us who can't deal with it the right answer is to figure out how to have candidates out there who aren't donald trump and how the american people will elect them. nobody is talking about that fact. >> biggest industry in america is the anger industry because we have technologies now, twitter,

facebook, instagram that allow so many people to participate in arousing and to so how videos and pictures and the whole country just out there arousing each other through video and pictures. i worry that the technology is -- we are really fighting this technology. it is so easy to get a lot of people stirred up. >> i have always said the most honest thing that alex jones has ever uttered is the name of his show meaning this is a belief that this is not a debate on facts but it is weaponizing information. true or false? >> absolutely true where we see people on both sides of the aisle and people -- it is impossible to look at facebook now without seeing, looking at the source of where is this coming from because that seems to be what we are getting right now. it also i don't think you can --

i think the buck has to stop with the white house because i think at a time when you have our elected leaders and the members of the trump administration standing before the american people, there used to be a time where as president you should know that there are things that you cannot say. you cannot come out in front of the american people and say demonstratively false statements. >> meaning i did not sleep with that woman. >> he got a lot of flack for that. >> they bought into president trump in the republican party and feel like they have to get a tax plan through and health care reformed. and senator schumer said stop tweeting but trying to elevate the discussion into national conversation. >> we'll see if somehow tax cuts mullify steve bannon. when the republican party establishment fights president trump's base who wins?

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and did better than romney by at least two percentage points, those counties sent trump 18 million votes towards his victory. 18 million to 11 million. you don't need a degree in math to know which side is bigger. the trump base actually produced more republican votes in 2016, that's how important these folks are to the future of the gop. these are the very places white house adviser steve bannon is targeting in his insurgent war against the republican party. what makes these counties so different? take establishment wing delaware county, right in central ohio, it's suburban, president tru trump -- wilkes county north carolina, it has more income, and a higher poverty rate. trump did better than romney.

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massachusetts, claire mccaskell of missouri. here now are their stories. >> he's chasing me around the desk. >> he said men will always beat their wives and you can't stop it. >> he said did you bring your knee pads? >> yes, i have a me too story too. i was a baby law professor, and i was so excited to have my first real teaching job, and there was a senior faculty member who would tell dirty jokes and make comments about my appearance. and one day he asked if i would stop by his office which i didn't think much about and i did. and he slammed the door and lunged for me. it was like a bad cartoon, he's chasing me around the desk trying to get his hands on me. i kept saying, you don't want to do this, you don't want to do

this, i have little children at home, please don't do this. and trying to talk calmly, and at the same time, what was flickering through my brain is, if he gets hold of me, i'm going to purge hnch him right in the . >> i was a very young state lege legislator, in my 20s and i was single and i was nervous about getting my first bill out of committee. and so i approached the very powerful leader of the house of house of representatives. i asked him how i could get it out of committee. he paused and said did you bring your knee pads? >> i was propositioned by my teachers and my colleagues, you name it. >> when i started out as south dakota attorney general, i wanted to change the dynamic of domestic violence, and i had an event where i was speaking and a

law enforcement official came up to me and he pretty much put his finger in my face, he said, listen here, men will always beat their wives and you can't stop them. >> i opened the door and i got out and i went back to my office and i just sat and shook and thought, what have i done to bring this on? and i told my best friend about it. never said a word to anyone else. but for a long time, i wore a lot of brown. >> and he said, well, did you bring your knee pads? i do think he was joking, but it was shocking that he would make that joke. to a colleague. even a very young colleague. >> and i think i was so stunned because i thought, well, everybody's going to care about this the way i do, everything's going to think about this the

way i do. and i looked at him and said you might be right, but we shouldn't live in a world where we don't try. i said isn't it a shame that it took something horrific that it took this kind of event to make people strong enough to speak up. the voices of all these women are much stronger and louder together. >> i wish i could say that i was surprised, but knowing my life and what happened to me early in my career, it wasn't shocking to me. and i understand why so many people keep things like that to themselves. >> statements that are made, observations about our appearance, these kinds of unwanted attention occurs in a situation where there is an uneven power. and it's usually the woman who has less power. >> what it means now that so

many people have spoken out, is it's a way to say, we're here for each other and it's also a way to say, no, it's not about what you did. he's the one who stepped out of line and this is on him. >> we all need to be part of the solution, but i think we have to achieve something within our families and within our children to say it's not acceptable if you're raising daughters to say, look, you may not think it's ever going to happen to you, in all likelihood it will. and we should be raising son who is say i will never do this, i will behave differently. >> usually it's the males who are doing this to women, they should know this is not appreciated and it's not cute, it's not fun. >> the first thing is say is you're not alone. the other thing i would say, if

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back now with end game. you heard from those senators, and i believe it was senator hi highcamp who said we need a culture change in our country.

>> i have no doubt that sexual harassment is real and many women suffer from it. i have a suspicion that this is yet another one in the series of isms that are used as weapons, that are used as bludgeons, that are part of what many men believe is a war on men. if women want to stand up for themselves they should stand up for themselves for equal treatment. this me too, i want to get on the gravy train, but i didn't want to stand up for myself, gwyneth paltrow, i'm not down with that. >> i'm a sexual assault survivor, me too is incredibly isolating, look, a lot of women have used this moment to speak out. >> i think they should, i think

that's a -- but i also think that there are a lot of women, this whole idea of why didn't you say something earlier, why are you waiting until just now to say something, sexual harassment can be such a personal issue. these are personal stories, and a lot of women tend to often will end up blaming themselves for instance, they don't feel as if they're in any position -- they don't want to call attention to it. i spent an enormous a lmount of time, this is my example of the whole speaking out issue. the president of liberia, was the victim of domestic violence, her husband beater, in liberia and throughout africa, domestic violence is a huge issue. ell this huge political icon didn't want to talk about it. i spent so much time trying to get her to talk about it because

she could be an example to all these other women. i finally got it out of her, she didn't want to address that issue, she didn't want to upset her children, she didn't want to seem as if she was pointing a finger at a man she loved. every woman who wants to speak up should be allowed to go so, and to feel she can speak up when she wants to. but it's also very difficult to put the onus on a woman who pressure her to talk if she didn't want to. >> in the last two years, you've had cosby, ailes, harvey winestein, a. >> you have to believe there's at least some deterrent effect in watching what happened to harvey winestein, we now live in an internet age, i can see inside you, and with the

internet i can tell the whole world about it without a filter. there are people in the outback of australia right now who know harvey winestein's name. he's been shamed in front of the whole world. this is part of a process that we're learning that hopefully will have some deterrent effect. >> it was powerful to hear from those female u.s. senators, to hear about their experiences because they're in the u.s. senate not because of their gender, but because of all of their accomplishments, but it was a reminder of what many women have to endure, as they go through their careers, especially those who have been around a little longer than others. when you look at the harvey winestein story, it's also the power of reporting, you know about harvey winestein, because the "new york times" took the time to dive into that story, so while it's encouraging to see people on social media sharing their own painful experiences and senators doing the same, let's ehohope the reporting continues into corruption. >> i'm going to end, try to end

on i guess you could say a lighter note. jimmy carter did an interview with maureen dowd, there was a number of surprising comments. president jimmy carter, i think the media have been harder on trump than any other president certainly that i have known about. i think they feel free to claim that president trump is mentally deranged without hesitation. by the way it's under the heading of carter wants to -- that was a wow moment. >> i think carter got it right. >> do you think he figured out if you say something nice about trump, you might -- >> part of this interview with maureen dowd, president trump and president carter both came in as total outsiders.

he was always someone who was psycho analyzed by some of his critics, you see a rapport as much as there's a transactional play perhaps. >> he still hasn't forgiven the clintons. >> i don't know what to do about that. >> he has not gotten over snubs from the clintons. thanks for watching today, we'll be back next week, because i've its sunday, there will be "meet the press." rosemary connors: crooked lines?

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