>> dickerson: today on "face the nation" a new poll shows real trouble for hillary clinton in iowa while donald trump continues to surge. >> jeb bush doesn't have a clue. doesn't even have a clue. >> if you want a nice person you should vote for jeb. the country is going to hell but we won't talk about it. >> dickerson: louisiana governor and 2016 presidential candidate bobby jindal about g.o.p. politics and ten year anniversary of hurricane katrina and new orleans marilyn han dough on problems that still plagues his city. >> our work won't be done when almost 40% of children still live in poverty. that's not a finished job. >> dickerson: in politics we'll go inside the numbers of the bloomberg "des moines register" poll which shows clinton's

numbers sliding in iowa. bernie sanders gaining ground and possible opening for joe biden. on the republican side, donald trump and quiet surge for ben carson. we'll have analysis on all that have and look at the wild ride the stock market took this week and what it means for you. all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson we start this morning with louisiana governor bobby jindal who joins us from new orleans. welcome, governor, i want to get to the 10th anniversary katrina in a moment but first political news this new poll "des moines register" poll donald trump is at the top in iowa. i want to ask you there was period at which people thought he was a flash in the pan. kind of summer fling. that doesn't look like it's the case any more can looks like he has possibility at least to be the nominee. i know you want to be the nominee yourself but do you think it's possible that he could be? >> good morning, thank you for

having me. look, i think voters get serious, we pass these summer months they're going to start asking the question, who can actually do this job. who has intelligence, courage, experience, i think with that happens we'll do very well. i'll give you one example i am the only candidate, there's not two, i'm the only candidate that actually reduced government spending. i think a big issue in this election is reducing the size of government, growing the american economy. what i see in the polls is that nobody has any votes. i think voters in iowa, these early states, want to kick the tires, ask the tough questions, they're not going to decide until much later in the process. >> dickerson: you are talking your competence gained over years of experience working in government. looks like consistently what we're hearing from voters they don't want anybody touch government. don't want politics. >> i think that's exactly right. one of the reasons is that trump has done well he has hit a nerve, what i get from voters in iowa, 99 county tour that voters are telling me they're frustrated. not just president obama and

democrats but frustrated with republicans as well. republicans, give us the majority we'll can get rid of obamacare, amnesty that didn't happen. differences i've done what i said i was going to d. we cut our state budget 26%. 30,000 fours state bureaucrats, top ten state for private sector job creation. i think voters are looking for a candidate with experience to fight for them, they want term limits, want an end to the permanent political people that think they're better one of the reasons i think hillary clinton has troubles of her own she sis these different better than the voters, voters are done with that. >> dickerson: let me ask you question about immigration, topic much in conversation. we know all republicans candidates want to secure the border, but after that there is the question of what to do with the undocumented workers who are in the united states. you said on cnn recently, said i think american people will be pragmatic and cops natural about the people here. what does that mean about 11 million undocumented workers who are here now?

>> couple of things. the reason voters don't want to comprehensive approach we try that in the '80s we were told, build it comprehensively we'd get a secure board every. secure the border first then we can have the discussion about the folks. bottom line is this smart immigration policy makes our country smarter. should come legally, adopt our values, roll up their sleeves and get to work, one of the things i've been emphasizing the son of immigrants who came here legally. we need to insist on assimilation. in europe they're not doing that they have huge problems. immigration without assimilation is invasion that can weaken our country don't need to go down the path of europe, let's insist on being the melting pot, let's forget this politically notion that we're not a melting pot any more. >> dickerson: you said you want compassionate treatment of the illegal immigrants here now. deportation which is donald trump plan, would you say that's compassionate? >> like i said, secure the

border first, put an end to the sanctuary says. all the mayors, hold them liable for people who shouldn't be here in the first place, after we have done that, only takes six months to secure the border i know left says we can't get it done, that's ridiculousf they're serious, we can get this done in six months. then we can have the conversation about folks that are here illegally. >> dickerson: switch to anniversary of hurricane katrina is louisiana in position to handle this if it were to happen again? >> couple of things, one i want to say we are resilient people in new orleans, in louisiana. hurricane katrina and rita we got back on our feet. this is a generous country, americans love each other. i want to thanks folks from all states that came into our state, continue to help us rebuild. are we ready? we're better prepared than ever before. stronger levees are importantly people have game plan, we have facilities with generators with fuel. we've got health care facilities that know how to evacuate ahead

of time. we musn't become complacent. we invested record amounts at the state level, continue to work on that, we are better prepared than ever before. we say every hurricane season it is pray for the best, prepare for the worst, that's what we have coin south louisiana. >> dickerson: quickly governor, you've seen this from the governor's perspective also thinking about the presidency, what would you have done differently than president george w. bush did? >> several failures at every level of government, federal, state and local. no point looking back, we need to be looking forward, i want to emphasize, the american people can do anything. and we have seen that here in louisiana. church groups, civic groups, school groups have come down here they didn't wait for permission they came here to help. large companies, small companies sent supplies when bureaucracy wasn't working. ford motor company donated trucks. let's focus on moving forward, ten years a lot of progress has happened in our schools and health care. more works needs to be done but

we've come a long way. thank. generosity of american people. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us. while hurricane katrina changed the gulf coast of this country ten years ago no single city was hit harder or represents the horror of the storm that was brought on this country than new orleans. no city suffered more for the failures of government before and after katrina hit. 80% of the city flooded roughly half of the city was displaced. we're joined now by new orleans mayor democrat mitch landrieu. i want to ask you about the levees, they broke ten years ago, are they safe now? >> yes. much safer. first thing nor country to continue to remember this was an infrastructure failure, this was not a natural disaster. one of the things that this essential that we make sure that we secure the infrastructure of the country particularly the levees they are much stronger than they were before. we still believe that we need to get do 500 year protection rather than 100. it's much better. the governor said just a minute ago we have to continue to rebuild the coast, have to make

sure the levees are strong and internally in the city as we rebuild structurally they have to be strong as well. >> dickerson: i heard you say before that only capable of stopping category three hurricane. not a five. they're not strong enough. >> well, no, let me say. this first of allf a category five hits any major american city much like you saw with sandy in the northeast, you are going to see in miami. we are going for very difficult situations. right now levee is much stronger, we've had hurricanes from the beginning of 300 year history, point to be better prepared to be more resilient to be stock. but you can have -- you can't have guarantee that you're not going to get hurt again. >> dickerson: what have you learned in the rebuilding, new orleans has had a clean slate on some of the issues of poverty, of education of rebuilding, what have you learned that other cities might be able to take from your experience? >> well, listen, that's a great point, because new orleans is either one two of things, the mine, everything that is happening down here on negative

side is actually reflected in every other city in america. everything that's happening on the positive side here can make sure that the city of new orleans nation's most innovation and change. when you have a tragic circumstance like we have what we learned don't put it back just like it was, take the time to dig down deep to make the institutionalization that are necessary to give the city better chance going forward. for example, completely restructured our education system so now our kids have much better opportunity. our graduation rates are higher, our drop-out rates are lower. achievement gap between kids and inner-city and kids outside of the city is close. we've completely restructured our health care delivery system infrastructure our challenge to take the responsibility to build it back the way you want it to always be not just the way it was before the storm. >> dickerson: also taken on issue that was before the storm when you called the epidemic of violence in your city, we've conflict between the community and police, have have you learned in new orleans about that issue?

>> first of all again i think new orleans reflects the rest of the country. when you see all of the upset on the streets of all of the cities of america surrounding the relationship between african americans and police that's real. we have it here. have it everywhere we need to address that. one of the things i've specifically spoken about which is national epidemic in my opinion is more than reprehensible is the lives of young african american men that are taken from gun violence across america. i believe it's epidemic i think it's moral failure of our country. we've talked about that. there is ecosystem of violence that's developed in neighborhoods around the country that make us feel unsafe that give people no hope, i that is real problem. we have to work on that, too, that is not criminal justice police response problem that's early childhood education. better families, communities, people learning how to work together and resolve differences, about mental health, about substance abuse, bucket load of stuff. it's symptomatic of what is much larger problem what we have to deal with going forward we're

going to keep working on that in new orleans. >> dickerson: governor mitch landrieu in new orleans, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you very much. good to be with you. >> dickerson: we turn now to pom particulars and the new bloomberg "des moines register" iowa poll we're join joined by sellser is and company, anne sellers is. political junkies were staring into their devices. first thing they were looking at on democratic side hillary clinton is at 37. bernie sanders at 30, joe biden at 14. what did you see in those numbers? >> i think the first thing that jumps right off the page this is the first time in iowa that we've seen hillary clinton below 50%. she's not just a little below 50%, she's lost a third of her support since june. >> dickerson: is that a move away from hillary clinton or move to bernie sanders? what's happening to her support? >> her support is going a

little bit into the not sure category. but bernie sanders vote certainly getting stronger. and i think important to point out it isn't just that there's an anti-clinton sentiment. it isn't that. that is perhaps the good news. for former secretary of state, clinton. but is ask bernie sanders sporessers is thatth because you align, the person and his,ed 6% say, yes. overwhelmingly that's what they're up against. clinton fivebilities are very strong. she's in sort of a place of discomfort where her first choice hopefully not so good. >> dickerson: sanders' voters are feeling the burn. who are they? are they -- who is turning out for bernie sanders? >> this i think is fascinate thank you look in to the internals as we call them, who is it that he is terming with, he leads by eight points with people who say this will be the first time they participated in the caucus.

leads by over 20 points with people who say they consider themselves independents. and people who are underage 45. now that is the obama coalition. those are the groups he put together that surprised hillary clinton in 2008. >> dickerson: bernie sanders is older, he's not that fresh, new millennial character obama was. any news for joe biden? >> he gets 14% which is better than he's ever done before i think that is probably the good news. he draws about evenly from people who would be clinton and would be sanders supporters. it's not clear how that exactly would play out. favorables are very good. there's an opportunity here. we also ask clinton supporters if they would be comfortable with the field. clarify that that would be a field without joe biden. if for some robe she had to drop out. they would like someone else. >> dickerson: let's switch over now to the republicans. the numbers there in the horse

race question are donald trump at 23. ben carson at 18, scott walker and rubio and bush at six. so, trim is on top. favability rating. >> a few ha months highest of anybody. the chris christie was in that lead with him. wow, he can't possibly do any better in the horse race because his unfavorable are so high. can he turn those around. we've seen everything happen. we certainly saw it happen this time. now has seven people with higher unfavorables than he has that includes jeb bush. he has grown his favability and turned into votes. >> dickerson: he was toxic before, my word, now republicans -- now ben carson, couldn't think of candidate any more different than donald trump, right? selfie facing, quiet. he's coming up strong in iowa. is he sort of the slow and

steady rick santorum, hike huckabee candidate that we've seen in previous races? >> he is sort of huckabee version of that. but he also has made a real presence, quiet presence i'll say. not doing much on television but he has billboards quite everywhere. ben carson is in your community really on pretty widespread basis. he was drawing packed crowds last year. people know him, he has a book out because they're kind of everywhere. there's a lot that people are finding that they like. now, he's also not an establishment candidate. if you take numbers who support trump, numbers who support carson, numbers who support carly fiorina that's 46% as vote right now. add ted cruz that puts it over 50%, that says something about the mood. >> dickerson: what does it say about jeb bush? >> jeb bush's numbers don't look very good here. he's dropped in terms of support.

his favability numbers are not looking -- not faking improvement in iowa. i think by the time we're heading into september he's been at it for awhile. you would be looking to gaining some traction. >> dickerson: just quickly, scott walker, iowa supposed to be his state, what happened to him? >> i think everything has been a little bit quieter since donald trump jumped in for everybody else, number one. number two, i think he's just not out there in a big way and big presence. his support has been cut in half. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us. we'll be back in a minute.more and more, data is visual. in fact, the number of mris has increased by ten percent a year. and a radiologist might view a thousand images to find one tiny abnormality in shape, contrast or movement. because it's so challenging, a research project is teaching ibm watson to see. in the future, it could help clinicians spot key patterns quickly and precisely. ibm watson is working to make healthcare smarter every day.

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we start with our own julianna goldman just back from the big meetings with democrats in minneapolis. jeffrey goldberg is the national correspondent for "the atlantic" and ed o'keefe with the "washington post" and mark leave verb from the new york sometimes. start wow to this those democrats how will they receive this news about hillary clinton iowa? >> what you saw reflected in that poll in minneapolis is general lack of enthusiasm. around the democratic candidates right now. democrats really want to fall in love again the way they fell in love with barack obama. they like joe bidenf he got in with clinton they say that we'll get excited about her when we need to. when the time is right. they almost feel like there's sort of arranged marriage kind of situation here. where they feel like they have to go with the person that's been picked for them that's hillary clinton. >> dickerson: mark, the "washington post" has headline that says summer clinton

stumbles to uncertain fall for democrats. last time you were here you had written about hillary clinton's attempt to resell herself, introduce herself gyp now been couple of weeks since that happens. how is the repackaging going for her. >> i'd say slowly. if this in fact is the summer of trump i think what we're doing is jugs position someone who is hyper accessible, belittling the media, someone who still perceived to be still actually sustained way. >> she is coming out of that hiding a little bit taking on some of the republicans, gone after jeb bush who you spent a lot of time with. a few times she even made a comparison between terrorists the way they treat women with the way republicans d. what do you think she's up to there? >> she's trying solidify the democratic base sort of remind that she's willing to be that partisan warrior they're seeking. certainly rattled republicans,

they're a little concerned, perhaps a double standard this week about the way she was talking about them. i saw that as sort of sign of desperation war rat least attempt to tamper down idea that others are surging or they're going to get in. this idea that she's focused on superdelegates, remember this from eight years ago, sort of reminds me of student council race because idea that certain percentage of superdelegates, we're with you. like telling your classmate you're going to vote for him when you're going to vote for the cute girl down the hall. it's silly when it seems -- >> would get commitments now forget all this other stuff commitments about how they would vote. >> the idea that it's over when -- >> of course, delegates, superdelegates that only matter if it's a close race. that's what so alarming about these iowa numbers. even in minneapolis her campaign was asking delegates, asking dnc

officials to sign these forms summer's convention. they were saying, sign it now. you can come to private sessions with campaign advisors and even this private speech that clinton gave the night before. >> dickerson: jeffrey, if you're joe biden how are you reading this? >> i think you wake up this we don't understand the emotional state of mind, joe biden his family because of the tragic loss of his son, we have no visibility into that. but joe biden the politician is looking at these numbers saying, well, i should be president. clearly the democratic party can't put bernie sanders up as candidate in the general election, this is what he would be thinking, i think. hillary clinton people don't seem to like very much. it's joe biden to the rescue one last time. if you're joe biden you're at the top of american politics, you're there for a reason because you take opportunities when they come. it would be -- it's a very interesting moment he's going to have to make a decision very, very quickly obviously.

but i think that you are looking at this seeing an opportunity. >> dickerson: the meeting minneapolis? >> certainly was buzz around him. he was dominating discussions, i heard from someone who is close to his camp they say he's no closer to making a decision. the next few weeks are going to be critical, we'll be examining every move when he's really out, very publicly on the iran deal. when the pope comes to visit. even next week we'll see little more politically active he's going to be headlining senate fundraiser for democrats. >> dickerson: if you're hillary clinton are you more worried about bernie sanders or joe biden? >> i'm -- right now bernie sanders because i think that he embodies a kind of populism that was somewhat similar to barack obama's sort of falling in love aspect. but also more worried about fact you're on fakes the nation talking about superdelegates and hillary clinton lining up superdelegates. nothing screams entitled in teaability looking way far ahead

than talk about superdelegates. >> dickerson: these numbers are suggesting inevitability not the case. you're best day is the day before you announce. for joe biden he has to know that is the case, too. >> absolutely. it's telling, last weekend he was meeting with liberal lion, elizabeth warren, we're told yesterday that he went to democratic event in delaware to thank a bunch of state party activists for their work with his son. now, was he also going perhaps to check win folks see if they're with him. we don't know. telling that he is still somewhat very discretely actively out there and talking to democrats. >> exactly right. go from one day to beloved uncle next day target of huge attacks by republicans and democrats if he jumps. >> dickerson: that's what he faces. we'll be back with our panel in

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>> dickerson: lot more "face the nation" coming up including more of our panel and more on the ten-year anniversary of hurricane katrina with historian douglas brinkley and look at the historic images of the storm and

aftermath. >> dickerson: some of our stations are leaving us now. but for most of you we'll be right back with a lot more "face

>> dickerson: welcome back the "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we continue our panel. julian a good man, jeffrey goldberg is the national correspondent for atlantic and author of "matter of black lives: a profile of new orleans mayor" ed o'keefe covers politics for the "washington post" and mark leibovich is chief national correspondent for "new york times" magazine author of broadcasting legend larry king. i want to start with you those numbers about donald trump in iowa, needs to worry about chris christie that he was new jersey for iowa that his unfavorable ratings in iowa are very high. donald trump is not too clean for iowa his favorability ratings are quite high. they like him. >> they do.

he took wins for new jersey. what's interesting about trump in this appeal is not so much what he is saying, what he's been saying well documented, well covered, it's almost like every other candidate in the field juxtapose, bob knee jindal he spoke in politics-ese he didn't answer your question. he had sound byte, that's good. good for him i'm sure his advisors are patting him on the back. he didn't, i don't think moved a lot of people. that's not how you usually human beings talk. >> dickerson: julianna you were noticing donald trump the way that he speaks now that he's established front runner. >> that's right. this is why other republican candidates can't just assume that this was the summer of trump going to be the fall of somebody else. he has the money, he's the front runner, he's also getting better on the stump. he's becoming a better candidate slowly. even republicans with other campaigns have noticed that give

him credit for that. just this weekend when he said, look, this isn't about me. he's saying, i need your vote. a course correction, he's becoming a better candidate. >> dickerson: because of that see other republicans, treat him like us. jeb bush this week, if he's the front runner i should be scrutinizing him the exact same way you've been scrutinizing me and my record. look what he says about immigration, his business record. reporters wouldn't stand up when he i can canned jorge ramos out of a press conference, you would have done that at mine. it's clearly starting to resonate with the rest of the candidates. >> fascinatings thing that on one level scrutiny doesn't matter because the more outrageous he gets the more popular he becomes. his ability to sort of articulate the resentments of certain sector of the american electorate is uncanny he seems to be immune to that.

>> also exposes the fake hue mitt, fake gentlemanliness. that people are very frustrated. also exposes the smallness and irrelevant of the media while completely using the media to get his message out. not like he's on the road all the time of just doing interviews, it's an amazing kind of turn of just both using and dismissing at the same time. >> dickerson: do you think in governor bush's attempt to push back based on what we've been talking about the trump appeal complaining about the press coverage going to do it for jeb bush? >> not necessarily. he was doing subtlely but as someone who has been following him around the country i knew what he was trying to say. look, there's no doubt that bush is totally slid off the map. his numbers are down in iowa, down to the sickle digits i think most private moments though his advisors would say, we're in that field with walker, with cruz, with rubio that is our race. we're never going to necessarily get these carson or trump

supporters, maybe they will come nominee. they look at that sort of other category that the insiders, the people who have been doing this for 'awhile still remain confidence that they can revail. his super pac has largest war chest currently in american politics plans to start spending that money in the ten days. they believe that tv advertising might help them out. >> dickerson: on immigration, there has been some conversation about trumps immigration plan. but people like him and other candidates have really taken him on. >> all the republicans knew that at some point immigration was going to be divisive for them. i don't think they realize it was going to become -- going to come this soon with trump was going to ratchet up the treasures -- pressures. you've seen candidates try different ways of dealing with trump. jeb bush sort of trying to take a longer term strategy and pick apart him on the policy issues so this week saying this isn't a conservative plan. but then that just earns the wrath of trump.

so it's figuring oute it's experimenting the best way to deal with him. >> dickerson: all these candidates talk about being able too take on challenges of presidency, come with me. they will be ready the take on putin at any crisis. isn't donald trump a challenge of that order there for isn't this a test of all the other candidates in terms of their ability to handle unpredictable things, adapt and present themselves. challenge? >> yes and no. i don't think a single candidate is meeting that challenge. i don't think they have any idea how to handle this. i think -- look, jeb bush with even more telling about jeb bush the reaction to donald trump how long it's taken him to engage. really have any clue whatsoever on how to deal with this guy. again it's because old rules don't apply. the same consultants who are -- don't have a play book for this. >> trump doesn't have a nuclear weapon. image fin he did? these guys are tests e testing with a guy like that not a good sign. >> dickerson: speaking of

nuclear deals, some of you -- a little something extra. the iran deal, ted cruz in effort to find a strategy, going to rally against this iranian nuclear deal. update us where things are in the senate how such a rally might affect if not at all congress' response? >> on the rally, very hard to imagine that the combination of donald trump and ted cruz will move waivering deck contracts in any direction except away from donald trump and ted cruz. it's more of a show than obviously -- >> government officials. >> the strategy. ed wept is at the president's back. he's going to see this through, i believef things replain as they are. now the issue is the white house would like to very much avoid having to use a veto, they're looking at filibustering options now, most democrats are

bandwagonning on to the president's side. i think the deals come middle of september. i think the keel is going to go through. every single republican running against but not enough to stop this. >> dickerson: last word to you, jeffly. thank you, we'll be right back

in a moment. >> dickerson: welcome back. week on wall street started with manic monday where investors saw

the i do plunge a thousand points. markets then surged tuesday followed by more plunging and surging. mark zandi chief economist at moody's analytics. what happened this week? >> wasn't it a wild ride? not quite as wild as that. the stock market has come a long way in very short period of time. believe it or not if you go back to the become after the recession go to the very peak, all time peak this summer the market has almost tripled in value. that's an amazing bull market. not at all surprising that you would see correction like this. clearly being written here my sense is that, garden variety stock market correction. >> dickerson: if i'm with the audience what is garden variety mean for me if i have money in the market and what should i be doing or not doing? >> nothing. it means you should do nothing. if you have stock market you're invested in the stock market you

shouldn't be invested for a month, a quarter for a year. you should be looking out over three, four, five horizon. the market goes up, down, all around. but at the end of the day if the economy is on solid ground the stock market will rise and you'll be fine. there's nothing you should do in response. now of course got a lot of baby boomers in their 50s and 60s their horizon, are now shortened because they're approaching retirement they should take look at their portfolios to make sure they're not overladen stock. >> the u.s. economy, but this set of gyrations was set off by economy in china, right? what is going on there and how worried do u.s. investors have to be about that? >> it's clearly slowing. now experiencing the slowest rate of growth in 25 years in china. lot of bee bait about what degree it's slowing because data is not very good. it's such an opaque country, we really don't have good data or

good grip that makes everyone nervous. my sense they have resources and enough control over the economy that not going to be graceful but at the end of the day hit their growth targets at least over the next couple, three years. shouldn't be too much of global economy. to put the finger on the most threat is what is going on in china. >> dickerson: what about -- how optimistic should we be about the american economy? what is its state of affairs. >> i'm open toe mystic. the best way of gaming the health of the american economy is jobs, that's what people tear about. this economy created nearly years. just to put that into context for you the last time that happened, was in 1999 in the teeth of the technology boom. there's no bubble today. this is on very solid foundation creating a lot of low paying jobs, no doubt, but creating all kinds of jobs, high paying jobs, low paying jobs, really across the board. as long as that continues,

there's no sign of that slowing i think our economy is going to be fine. >> dickerson: last question, people are going to hear a lot about federal reserve and what it's doing. what should they think about the fedora real reserve and what to look for going forward? >> most people, really is power game for people in the markets and economists like me something like geeks really get into, what are they going to raise interest rates. the policy makers at the federal reserve said over and over raise interest rates they're going to raise them very, very slowly let the economy adjust. that allows all of us to -- last interest rate where interest rates are. that is not sign of healthy economy. it's a good thing if interest rates rise give of get back to 3 for 4% for target if we get there in the next three or four years that is good sign that our economy is moving in the right direction. >> dickerson: thanks so much. we'll be back. we'll take one more look at hurricane katrina ten years

later. year anniversary of hurricane katrina we joined from the heart of new orleans by douglas

brinkley. mr. brinkley i want to start with -- help us understand sort of -- portion to blame for the disaster of hurricane katrina, who was at fault, how much were they at fault? >> well, george w. bush did a terrible leadership job during that crisis. he kind of acted like nothing was happening wrong for the first days. he had been in san diego where he played air guitar then he did the famous fly over being very detached from the devastation and that photograph that damaged his presidency i am meansly of abyss. then when he did come back and land in the gulf south he put his arm around michael brown saying, you did a heck of a job. sound byte. about distongues. everybody -- it was even connected inia who the war in iraq, bush administration saying things are going great. things aren't going great. he gets -- very poor during that leadership moment.

fema did terrible. as we all know. but the coast guard was amazing. some individuals in louisiana and national guard did a great job. but it was really louisianaians and mississippi and those crucial first 72 hours. mayor went in hiding now he's in jail hon 109th anniversary. william jefferson the congressman from louisiana went to jail for corruption. there was just dysfunction at the federal, state and local level everywhere you look. >> dickerson: but lot of dysfunction before the weather ever hit. in terms of the levees and the corps of engineers, people think about, there's the criticisms of president bush and kind of the public relations aspect of this which we can get back to in terms of the nuts and bolts of the levees breaking that kind of thing, what should people have in mind as they look back on this incident? >> they should be angry at the army corps of engineers for building shoddy levee.

it was disastrously built different places. the media actually covered the three major breaches and city of new orleans filled up like a bowl with water. 80% of the city flooded. army corps did terrible job and boondoggle engineering jobs in the gulf south called the mississippi river gulf outlet that was supposed to connect the gulf of mexico to the port of river. it's closed now on the 10th anniversary, but in lawsuits it shows that the army corps has to pay $3 billion, just came out this week, 3d billion for wetlands restoration. the ragged boost that the has been terribly mismanaged, ecological disaster zone. over engineer and over thinking about man controlling of nature killing the wetlands down here. >> dickerson: in this situation you had people worrying about this thing happening to new orleans before hurricane could three-point that hit, you say army corps of engineers failed

on this, what is your sense about the government's ability to take on big long-term immediate threat. has anyone learned the lesson here that if you don't take these possible threats seriously, eventually this kind of thing could happen. >> i think lot of lessons have been learned. for one example, mayor na gibbsn kept all of the school buses, rescue buses below sea level so buses drowned. we know better. do not keep your rescue vehicles hurricane comes. pull your assets out of the bowl when the storm comes you at least can move people from facilities like the superdome or convention center. the coast guard had learned that previously, that's why they had done such a good job. every community in america needs to see the operation protocol make sense. and usually the mayor that is in charge of that. we had other break down in

katrina that hopefully our from it. hopeful leave billions put in down here, the levee system can sustain category three storm. some people are skeptical but we'll never know unless another storm comes. >> dickerson: thank you so much for being with us. sorry about the satellite hiccup there for a moment we very much appreciate you being with us. next we want to welcome mario tama to the broadcast. his pictures of katrina and the recovery are the basis for the book "coming back: new orleans resurgent" mario, welcome. tell us about when the hurricane first hit. take us back to that moment. what was it like? >> well, i remember the -- i was in staying in the holiday inn in the french quarter which was relatively high ground. i remember the storm passing, it was fairly mild storm. winds were blowing and it was

very strong for awhile. the day cleared up in the afternoon and by, i think by the end of the day there was sunshine that was out lot of dodged. >> dickerson: hurricane hit, temp us about the people you met in the aftermath that you came to know? >> i met so many people. people of new orleans are as you know incredible hospitable, warm, friendly and open. so many folks over the years invited me into their homes, into hire lives to share their stories. one in particular was howard ward. refused to leave during the storm, even after the storm when government was trying to evacuate everyone from the lower ninth. basically never left since then. i'd go back visit him every few >> dickerson: why didn't he want to leave? >> he loved his home. he loved where he lived. also he believed in god would take care of him.

that god would protect him. and this is his home and he wasn't going anywhere. >> dickerson: did you find that faith sustained the community? >> absolutely. i feel that was a very strong contribute tore a lot of the rebirths down there. both faith and roots. the roots of family, the roots of history. they are so much stronger in new orleans than everywhere else. >> dickerson: we saw those pictures and images of people in the superdome. that was the center of some of the most awful, what was it like being in there? >> i recall just trying to get there was difficult. there was understand waters around the superdome. and walking through the flood waters, with my cameras overhead. i'll never forget opening up that door and blast of putrid air came blasting out. that smell, that heat was just something i had never experienced in the u.s. i remember looking down into the superdome there was this one piercing ray of light that came

through the hole in the roof and looked like a ray of light from the heavens shining into the depth of hell. and there were just a few people left on the ground, had been there for four days now. had no electricity or anything or any supplies given to them. the epic symbol of american success, superdome, it was incredibly shocking. >> dickerson: you talk about the sim become of american success, the storm hit people differently whether they were rich or poor, did you see that? >> in the aftermath the first thing in regards to that is how people were able to evacuate or not. some 100,000 people in new orleans did not have access to a vehicle. the evacuation plan was great for folks that had a vehicle and would get out. so many people didn't have access a lot of the buses that were saysed to come to pick up people to get them out never showed up. a lot of folks in the poor

communities weren't able to get out also of course the elderly, disabled, that was the biggest problem with the evacuation process. >> dickerson: you had kept going back, what have you seen? >> i tell you what, every time i go back it feels a little bit better. increment that is matched up each time. last time the joy and the spirit, the energy of new orleans really has recovered. and there's no one that can deny that. >> dickerson: you normally had gone back to big story that you've covered or is there something special about new orleans that you go back? >> it really was interesting indescribable, i came back to new york, i had in the superdome, i couldn't get them out of my head. i can't really describe it. i just felt like i had to go back down there see what was happening see if folks were coming back. every time i went down i started to see the same people, see the infectious. you just wanted to document this

time in american history, this incredible attempt at renewal and rebirth. >> dickerson: you've also covered -- you've been to iraq and afghanistan and covered those stories. similarities, differences? >> the most similar thing that i can remember is when the cavalry finally arrived, i think four days, five days later started doing air drops. started doing helicopter rescues. you had helicopters flying all over the city, landing on highways, picking up people on highways. that reminded me of iraq. it looked like iraq, like sort of vietnam. in the first few days when there was no relief, no supplies coming in when people basically felt like a failed state for a few days. in those ways it remind me of afghanistan. >> dickerson: do you think it's happened again, what would their action be like in new orleans? >> ask i think they will be a lot more prepared this time.

i think seems like there will be lot more coordination between agencies. i think people have taken a lot more seriously, so hard to imagine that happening again, god forbid. unfortunately history suggests it probably will sooner or later. us. >> thank you, john, my >> dickerson: we'll be right back. just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house.

>> dickerson: we'd like to end today's show by remembering alison parker and adam ward from our cbs news affiliate in roanoke who were shot and killed this week by a former employee of the station. there will be mourned at memorial service, you can see it eastern. our thoughts and prayers are with the family and colleagues. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm john dickerson.

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