captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations >> osgood: good morning i'm charles osgood this is "sunday morning." as you see, we're looking ahead to the arrival of fall this coming wednesday. we're also looking ahead to the much anticipated arrival this week of the pope. now is in havana thousands have gathered for sunday morning mass in revolution plaza. he arrives in the united states

on thursday. martha teichner will take a look at the frances affect. then it's time for a look back at the allegations of sexual misconduct by bill cosby. he's neither been charged with any crimes nor has he admitted to any it's precisely his name that kept so many silent for so long as we'll hear from tracy smith. >> i brought children that may or may not be ours. >> the older teens may still make us laugh but more often than not these days bill cosby makes us cringe. the number of women accusing him of sexual assault seems to freethrow by the week. >> then bill cosby starts to yank my skirt off of me. he has to pull tight because it's zippered in the back. >> did you think about going to the police. >> he was will cosby, who is going to believe me. >> ahead this "sunday morning."

cosby. >> these last days of summer behalf days of misery for thousands of refugees seeking safety in europe. d'agata. >> the first thing that hits saw the sheer scale of this crisis. then the heartbreak. images that have stunned the world thousands of refugees from syria facing hardship and even violence in eastern europe after fleeing the conflict in their homeland. >> what we learned back in syria they see their friends leaving and neighbors leaving they think we should leave, too. >> the geography of human suffering ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: for the record the eagles one of the most successful rock bands of all time. even so it's understandable that veteran eagle don henley wants to spread his wings as solo artist once in awhile.

mason. >> when he's not living life in the fast lane with the eig else, don henley gets that peaceful easy feeling in his own hometown in eastern texas. >> when you describe this area to people how do you describe it? >> it's a magical place you've never seen anything like it. >> for his new solo album, don henley goes back to his roots and we go with him later on "sunday morning." >> osgood: all washed up proud of it is the best way to describe the guys bill geist has been hanging out with. >> top of the line. i don't know if i'd call it collectible. >> which way to the machines? these guys, do. >> what's better than permanent press. >> washing machines are their passion. >> they have personalities. that burping action. >> for me i've been fascinated with these machines.

>> waited my whole life. >> meet these magnificent men and their washing machines later on "sunday morning." >> osgood: jane pauley talks with a moon on a mission. film maker alex gibney. shows us celebrity caricatures from al hirschfeld. steve hartman visits a little boy who is one good guy. and more, first, the headlines for this sunday morning 209th of september, 2015. again, tens of thousands are attending the papal mass in havana, later today pope francis meets with raul and maybe fidel castro. part of his urging cuba to improve relations with the united states. holding a 21-year-old landscaper in connection with random

but in court yesterday, he said, i'm the wrong guy. he was arrested after trying to pawn a gun linked to four of the 11 vehicles that have been struck by gunfire. authorities in northern california say two large wildfires are now destroyed more than a thousand homes. nearly nine million acres of the american west have gone up in flames this year. compared to about three million acres last year. author jackie collins of best selling novels such as "hollywood wives" has died after a long battle with breast cancer. she was 77. today's weather, autumn is in the air with sunny skies and cool air across much of the country. there's a chance of scattered storms across the southern plains as well as florida. the week ahead, mild and sunny with a few storms thrown in for

breezy across the plains. >> here i am, 38 years later finally telling my story. >> osgood: ahead. >> no one would have ever believed me in 1976. >> osgood: speaking out. and prime time. this is a story about doers, the artificial heart, electric guitars and rockets to the moon. it's the story of america- land of the doers.

doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. john henry was a steel drivin' man hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. there's all kinds of doin' up in here. or what they're doin'. what the heck's he doin? energy got us here. and it's our job to make sure there's enough to keep doers doin' the stuff doers do...

>> osgood: as we told you pope francis celebrating open air mass in havana, cuba. first stop one journey that will bring him to the united states on tuesday. this week's cover of "people" magazine, makes clear, the pope is the man of the moment. call it the francis affect. our cover story is from marcia teichner. >> don't even notice the figure on the bench in front of the catholic charities in washington, the one by the banner, announce thank pope francis is coming. but if they did -- homeless person. >> canadian sculpture timothy homeless jesus. here. and that is the way they can identify it as being christ. almost like heater. >> like seeing what pope francis stands for.

>> that's me. and jesus laying here is a semblance of all the god that we have within us. >> right here this thursday. frances himself will be meeting with the homeless, delivering his own show and tell about what he believes the catholic church should be. >> before he became pope, if you asked the person on is the what's the catholic church? people would say, well, they're against abortion. against gay marriage. they're against birth control. >> father thomas reess, a senior analyst for the national catholic reporter. >> now you go out and ask you people, what do you think of pope francis is all about? he's the guy who really cares about the poor. he's concerned about the environment. he wants to preach the love and examination of god towards people. >> from the instant the argentine jorge mario bergoglio

13, 2013, he ban signalling no more business as usual. starting with his choice to be the first ever pope francis, taking the name of a saint who lived in poverty. >> the feeling in the square was just electric. >> christie jana and paul gondreau were in st. peters scare that night again on easter sunday with their children, cerebral palsy. >> during the course of the mass there was an usualer who had taken notice of dominick, he's going to meet the pope. i'm going to get you situated on the route that the pope mobile. >> this is what happened. dominick. i looked up on the jumbo-tron and i just grabbed my son lucas.

>> what did do you? >> i was moved to tears. >> he took his arm put it around the pope's neck. >> i can count on my two hands the number of times that's lifetime. >> it felt for me as a mother that it was a little kiss directly from god. crowd. i love him. and he gave him a kiss. that's what it felt like. >> on his first visit to the united states, pope francis is likely to get a rock star welcome and then some. the vast majority of american catholics approve of the direction he's leading their church. according to a cbs news poll out this morning. just this month, he announced that priests can absolve women who have had abortions and a drat mat particular simplification of marriage annulment. but some issues remain deeply troubling to american catholics. according to our cbs news poll,

way he's handling the clergy sex abuse scandal. although compared to his predecessor pope benedict, that's a huge improvement. >> there are a lot of things that are from an older generation that just don't make sense to me. and some of the things that are a bit antiquated or honestly unfair i choose to ignore, if you will. >> at 29, maggie place is the personification of many young american@licks. conflicted. >> i would fall into that category of a cafeteria catholic, i have several friends who are gay will likely attend their gay marriages some day. >> maggie is in the choir that will sing for francis during his outdoor mass in philadelphia next sunday. it concludes the world meeting of families, the conference which prompted his visit to the united states, lgbt families have been all but shut out of

on the thorny issue of gays in the church, the pope's "who am i to judge" comment was a shift in a tone. >> slight changes in rhetoric, seem like monumental changes in terms of what the catholic church espousing. >> for gay lawyer matthew and his parents, cheryl and francesa change in receipt vic good but not good enough. >> they say everyone's welcome to church, whether you're gay, you're straight. but can you are gay you cannot ab full catholic because you you cannot get married. >> he said that i was to leave the catholic church because they don't accept me. i would say, i understand completely. >> the family appear on a video pleading acceptance for lgbt catholics, that was hand delivered to pope francis. >> right now i haven't made a decision i'm not going to leave during the struggle. that's what faith is. that faith is that hope for

pope's goals. >> do you see any possibility that pope francis will permit priests to marry? >> i think there's a very good chance. >> according to father thomas reesee allowing women to be priests is not on the pope's reform agenda. what is, making the church a more tolerant place. the question is whether this kinder, gentler francis eye city council actually trickling down and putting catholics back in the pews. >> i've talked to people who have been excited by frances and decided i'm going to give it another chance. they went back to their parish they heard same old same old they turned around, walked out the door and they're never coming back. there can be no frances effect unless we all get on board with

and his style and spirituality. >> americans seem to like his style very much. millions of people, catholic and non-c.a.t. rick are expected to gather just to be near him, the francis effect, they just want to feel it. >> sergeant bilko. >> yes, sir.

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eight emmys including best actor award for silvers in 1956. when show went off the air in 1959, silvers went on to other roles. >> i don't have the key to the door but if i open the door -- >> silvers and his wife and two daughters welcomed charles collingwood into their home in a 1906 appearance on cbs show "person to person" and more merriment was to come. he won tony in 1961 for his leading role in the musical "do re mi" and part of all-star cast in the 1963 film "it's a mad, mad, mad, mad world." >> i'm a psychiatrist. >> osgood: he turned down the lead in the broadway musical "a funny thing happened on the way to the forum" he had a supporting part in the 1966

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ella fitzgerald or the nimble tommy tune. all captured elegantly with the stroke of a pen. >> i like to think it's like poetry. where the writer finds just the right word to summon up a whole lot of things and that's what everybody fell was about. he wanted every line to count. >> david leopold is the curator of the al hirschfeld exhibit now at the new york historical society. >> hirschfeld really wasn't the best at what he did. he was the only one who did what he did. >> the exhibit outlines hirschfeld's nine decades of creation. with wall to wall caricatures of hollywood and broadway stars. >> nothing against the oscar, emmy or tony they're all wonderful awards i know performers like to win them. but the thing they have in the center of the living room is their hirschfeld drawing.

arrived. immortalizing celebrities wasn't his only claim to fame. >> clearly this is whoopy goldberg. >> her mayor is ninas. >> in addition to his signature style he slipped his daughter's nina's name subtlely into his drawings. >> did he continue putting ninas. >> people would not let him. so he started putting a number next to his name when there was more than one nina. >> most artists put a number meaning how many prints there are. hirschfeld did how many ninas. >> exactly. >> hirschfeld passed away in 200 by that point he had drawn

nickname, the line king, but as he explained to "sunday morning" shortly before his death the power of those simple lines was a mystery even to him. >> some kind of magic takes place the drawing appears and looks pretty much what you have in your mind. and when it works it does, the drawing begins to look more like the person than the person really look like, you know?

in search of a home. he just returned to london has this sunday journal. >> the first thing that hits you is the sheer scale of the crisis. >> every day we thought they thought, too, it can't get much

almost every day it did. another injustice. another act of cruelty. senseless brutality. another reminder of the risks and sacrifices. what did you do in 'help poe. >> >> they were syrian refugees. why now? that war has been raging for almost five years. >> the life. >> every last person we spoke to told us the same thing. now their lives were in danger. the war was no longer something on the horizon, but in their neighborhoods. and their homeland would never going to get better. >> we found along the way the people you meet tend to come

of people from aleppo poe. different location everybody is from elsewhere. what we learned back in syria they see their friends leaving and neighbors leaving they think, we should leave, too. you got whole neighborhoods, whole communities emptying out at once. >> we found so many people who left behind successful, prosperous lives because they felt they had no other choice. a cardiologist with his three children, whose wife is a dentist. the legal advisor on the train, agricultural engineer. a laboratory technician. >> just staggering, heartbreaking number of children. toddlers, babies. they have seen that some of those before them had pulled it off found place to make a fresh start. still, there may be strength in numbers it's the scale of these numbers that has caused the doors to start closing.

thousands for days at the budapest train station. made it on to trains thinking they were headed to the border only to be herded into holding camps. we saw hungarian spray tear gas into crowds. a crowd of migrants. women and children among them. now, the hungarian government is 110 mile razor wire fence which will not only keep the migrants out of the country but out of the rest of europe as well. its right wing government will have lot to answer for u.n. has criticized hungary for callous treatment of the migrants and clear violations of international law. and there's irony here. hundreds of thousands of hungarian used this same route to flee soviet occupation after

but now, the migrants' trail must take them through serbia, through fields still littered with land mines from the balkans war of the 1990s. there have been some heart warming moments, we found 16-year-old jawan kamal from aleppo on a train through austria two weeks after we first talked to them in greece. his escape still a hopeful fantasy. >> want to save my future. >> he's now made it all the way to germany. the country most of these refugees hope to settle in, where he's free to start a new life. but tens of thousands are still stranded in between, a humanitarian crisis made worse by a plight political crisis. the newly homeless. the people nobody wants, driven

longer live. >> osgood: coming up. >> actually she said that i'm an actress, let me introduce to you

>> osgood: >> osgood: the women accusing bill cosby of sexual assault face a long and difficult legal road. he's been criminally charged with nothing, has admitted nothing, many of the alleged offenses occurred years ago. so, the accusers say they have stories that must be told. and some of them are telling their stories to our tracy smith. >> as long as you're living in

this house, you are not to do any drugs. when you move into your own house, you are not to do any drugs. >> at the height of his power, bill cosby really was america's dad. on his galacticly successful show, the laughs came with lessons. on morality, responsibility, love. >> i brought home two children that may or may not be ours. >> and that makes what's happening now all the harder to comprehend. >> they had the misfortune to meet a man that they admired and thought that they could trust. bill cosby. >> an ever-widening circle of women have accused bill cosby of sexual assault. more than enough to fill the cover of new york magazine this past july. the charges have a common thread. been bill cosby drugged me, kissed me, touched me, raped me. but behind each still photo, is

>> call you every eight minutes. >> kuku bernard was a some time cast member on cosby's show which was taped in new york city. bernard says cosby, whom she then considered a mentor and father figure told him to meet him in atlantic city in 1909. >> he told me that he had to go to atlantic city to meet a producer that he wanted to introduce me to who would further my career. >> once there she says cosby gave her a drink that made her violently ill. then helped her to the bathroom she thought to clean up. still thinking he's this father figure. >> he's going to wash me. next thing i remember now he's not only pulling off my skirt and my jacket but also taking off my stockings and my shoes and -- i must have pass dollars out at this point because next thing i remember -- sorry. >> when she woke up naked and groggy in a hotel bathtub she says she heard cosby's voice. >> i remember him saying, are you okay, bernard?

then i must have passed out again in the tub naked, i'm totally naked. still don't know how i got into the tub he must have carried me or lifted me or dragged me. i don't know. >> did you think about going to the police? >> yes. i told bill cosby i would call the police. i said i would call the police. and he threatened me that if i called the police that he, the minute that i come back from the police he would go to the police and file a police report against me for false accusation and defamation. who are they going to believe, bernard, you or me? >> what did you think? who are they going to believe? >> never believe me. he was one of the most powerful men in the entertainment industry he was a moralist. he was bill cosby. so, who in the heck is going to believe me? >> it's important to note that bill cosby has not been charged with any crime nor has he or his attorneys admitted any wrongdoing. he did say in a 005 deposition

that he kept quaaludes to give to women he wanted to have sex with. now he's being sued by several other women and has another deposition on october 9th. we all know the phrase, innocent until proven guilty, does that apply to bill cosby? >> innocent until proven guilty is a legal concept. but for bill cosby he's pretty much been convicted in the court of public opinion. and that's in part because so many women have come forward. and he himself admitted that he gave them the drugs. the story starts to add up that he probably did that because they weren't consenting and there for he should be held responsible for his acts. >> but professor laurie leven sockshn for many accusers the clock has run out for any criminal charges. it is certainly possible that bill cosby will live out the rest of his life without being criminally charged for these offenses. he's facing lawsuits, that's something different. but in terms of going to jail,

not so likely. >> and if the allegations are true, bill cosby has been assaulting women for decades. victoria valentino was playboy's miss september, 1963. and an aspiring actress who would get the occasional bit part. >> how soon can you comply? >> can be airborne within three glints but the high point of her life was when her son tony was born. the very lowest moment came in 1969, when a week after his sixth birthday, he accidentally drowned in a back yard pool. >> this saturday, my son would have been 52. he was everything. i breathed for him. >> so your friend said, let me cheer you up. come meet -- >> what she said was actually she said, you need a job. let me introduce to you my buddy bill cosby.

while val valentino and her friend were at dinner she says, he started passing out pills. then he reached over, because i was not being bubbly, he put a pill down next to my glass and said, here, take this. you'll feel better. >> did it make you feel better? >> no. i started feeling like i was going to drop my face in the plate. >> cosby drove them to a hollywood apartment where her friend passed out cold. it was then, she says, that cosby forced himself on her. did you think about going to the police? >> it was the '60s. and in those days, rape victims were revictimized. it wasn't compassion and protection of the victim. oh, no, it was well, what were you wearing? >> so victoria valentino kept her mouth shut. and for decades despite accusations of infidelity and worse cosby's secret was pretty

but cosby became a sort of moral crusader in recent years solding young african americans. >> please, stop it. stop your cursing. >> some saw his preaching as the height of hypocrisy. in a stand up routine last october comedian hannibal burress openly called him out. >> yeah, but you raped women. >> the video went viral inspired a wave of cosby accusers. >> why did you decide to come forward? >> hannibal buress. >> didn't all conspire, hey, let's meet in 2014 and all get together and nail this guy. you know, we'll have the big reunion, you know. i mean, who would have thought that it was like, one more woman coming out you're goingo oh, my, god. oh, my, god.

>> we reached out to bill cosby, his representative told us that there would be no statement or comment for this story. but bill cosby's legacy has already taken a big hit. his name and image are being removed from places as diverse as walt disneyworld and atlanta's historically black spelman college. >> i think heros do diehard in the black community for pretty clear reasons. we haven't had a lot of heros for a real long time. >> columbia university visiting scholar obri henricks says that revulsion is pretty universal. >> there are many who don't want to believe, they can't believe, they don't want their hero to see what the hero does something like this. but 50 women have accused him of rape and that's hard to get over, to overlook. if only one of them is telling the truth it means that he's a rapist. >> like an animal that preyed on me.

>> some of the women are working together now to change statute of limitations laws, if not for them, then for future victims of assault. and that could be bill cosby's real legacy. could it be that bill cosby goes to his grave with all of this still going on? >> i think some of the strategies here to say to bill cosby, you will never have peace for the rest of your life we will be pursuing you, we may not win at every turn but we will be there. >> osgood: still do come. >> this is a top loder. a '57 speed queen.

>> osgood: tv commercials promoted state-of-the-art machines. modern way to make sure our clothes were all washed up. bill geist has found some guys who have tape that message to heart. >> you consider wash days as nothing more than a chore? maybe it's time you changed r your attitude. try to be more positive. more enthusiastic. more like these guys. >> bring your dirty. >> there we go. >> they love laundry. >> which way to the machines? >> they can't wait to wash. press? >> you want to do this one? >> they're members of the washing machine collectors club. really. here? >> yes.

>> this is a top loader. this is a '57 speed between. this is a duomatic a washer drier. this is 1958. >> john charles was the founder of the group back in 1984. how many members at that 1999. >> about six i think. >> now we're up to about,000 members worldwide. >> 3,000 washing machine collectors. a staggering, some might say alarming glug we have a collector in madagascar. our first russian member. peel in australia. everywhere. >> pick a mob now. >> members gather regularly. >> more dirty clothes in here. >> for what are called wash-ins like this one at john's house near boston. >> that's like shaving cream now. >> anybody need a shave? >> it is just three days of crazy washing round the clock. i mean at 4:00 in the morning,

>> waiting my whole life. >> brought their dirty laundry nebraska. >> i love the sound they make. >> to play with the 2 working machines in john's basement. >> i thought i was the only person that was crazy for appliances like this. and come to find out when i came across the club, my god, there's more people like me. it was really nice. >> that is rinsing actor for you. >> they have personalities. >> that purposing action. >> for me i've been fascinated with these machines. >> john loves them all. this is sleek. >> this is my pride and joy. >> this combo is a favorite. >> that's a pounder. >> the 1957 blackstone v250. in charcoal with distinctive and

>> looks like it's going to take offer. >> 1100 rpm. ever made for a top loader. >> the two are believed to be only pair in captivity. >> look at that. that's pretty. >> john's other fresh sur the 1938 bendix. >> first time i've seen one of these run. like a lifetime moment. >> which always draws a crowd. >> they like to watch. and watch. >> everybody has their most favorite part of the cycle. everybody's different. >> what's yours? >> i like the drama of spin. to me that's dramatic. it's drama. >> washer drama. >> green was a much better color than cold. >> between loads the avid laundrymen chat. >> debate. >> two dozen machines in my collection. >> and compare collections.

>> how many machines do you have? >> near 200. 16 washers. 14 driers. >> paul from canada collects one color. >> turquoise is my color. that's my handle. turquoise dude. what draws seemingly normal people to collect big old appliances? and do laundry in other people's basements? we'll let cal from maryland answer that. >> i have a good friend who's a child psychologist she sort of been studying this. >> she think it's a syndrome, something that can be treated? [ laughter ] >> we all know it can't. >> not to worry. oh, no. >> put that in there. >> thank you there will always

laundry in this world. >> osgood: ahead.

>> osgood: police in one michigan town are getting back up from a young man who is definitely one of the good guys. the story here is steve hartman. >> this one ever said all police officers were bad. but with all the protests this year, you could understand how someone might get that impression. especially a little someone. >> makes me really sad. >> after seeing one of the protests on the news, 10-year-old jeremie bordua of lansing, michigan, who always wanted to be a police officer, asked his mom march cellula if he had picked the wrong profession. >> he goes, mom, the cops are still the good guys, right? yeah, there are some bad police officers. and there are still the good ones that are trying to protect themselves.

>> jeremie got that. but he still didn't like the idea of good police officers being called bad names. it felt like bullying to him. >> i've been picked on ever since i was in kindergarten. >> you saw a little bit of >> yep. >> is that why you wanted to do something about it? >> uh-huh. >> jeremie came up with the idea of a police thank you party. when his mom tried to explain they didn't have money for that, jeremie offered a solution. to give up his birthday party. >> why? >> because the police are more important than any birthday party. >> when his mom realized how sincere jeremie was she agreed to help him do it up right. >> you ready? >> all summer making and selling cookies to raise money for the party. all summer officers have been showing up in droves to thank him. >> he tapped into something huge. >> michelle bryant is with the lansing police department. >> it was very uplifting and it

did start to improve morale. he would stop in and deliver cookies and could you just see they would light up. >> the party will be next birthday. they're expecting hundreds of officers to attend from, all over central michigan. and although jeremie surrendered his birthday for the cause he gift. >> he's positive. he's happy. school. >> could that be because he has whole police force on his side? >> i think it has a lot to do with that. i mean, would you mess with this kid?

don henry the eagles. >> osgood: for the record the end of the insurance was a huge hit with don henley back in 1989. henley, most of us know as member of the eagles, is reaching his first solo album in a long time this week. but not before talking to our anthony mason. >> here, under the bald cypress trees of caddo lake in east texas a young don henley caught

>> a bass. exciting. >> when you describe this area it? >> you can't really describe it. you have to bring them here. i just tell 'em it's a magical place that you've never seen anything like it. >> after the past two years on tour with the eagles, and a lifetime on the road, the 68-year-old musician is spending more time back in that magical place near his hometown of linden, texas. you were born and raised here. >> i was actually born 40 miles from here. but that's only because they had a clinic. >> his new solo album called "cass county" in a nod to his native turfs his first in 15

>> after singing the eagles' material, which of which we've been singing over 40 years now, i really need some other songs to sing, even some of my solo stuff is three decades old now. i want new songs to sing. i have things inside me that i need to get out. >> returning to his roots, he's joined by country stars like dolly parton and martina mcbride. it's the kind of music he listens to go growing up with his father an auto parts dealer and his mom a teacher.

this is your first public appearance? >> this was my first public appearance. mrs. robertson's kindergarten music class. >> at lindena old american legion hall, now a theater, we stopped to talk about henley's musical career which was band. >> but i didn't start out playing drums. i started out for some reason on the trombone. because they needed more trombonists. >> how were you? >> immediate yolker. you still play trombone? >> no. i haven't touched the thing. >> he switched to drums when he formed a group with some linden friends. in 1968, the band had a chance encounter with a young singer named kenny rogers. >> we were in a clothing store in dallas, texas, called the electric rocking horse. we were buying bell bottom pants and nehru jackets and stuff. >> and kenny rogers was there? >> he was there because there was really beautiful girl working there. >> rogers agreed to produce the

band's debut album in los angeles. that's where henry would meet glenn frey who was recording on the same label. together frey and henley would join the backing band for linda ronstadt. >> but you didn't want to be in that band. you both knew it. >> we loved linda. we loved what she was dues musically but we wanted our own band. especially glenn, he wanted to put a band together that had four guys in it who could all sing. >> the eagles formed in 1917, would be the best selling american band of the decade. and their greatest hits album, the best selling record of all

time. their recent retrospective tour was built around a revealing documentary, the history of the eagles. when you saw it all out there, what did you think? >> well, i thought we struck a pretty good balance between the triumphant and the tawdry. the film include some less than charitable comments about henley by former record executive david geffen who signed the eagles but later split with them in a nasty contract dispute. >> he's a malcontent. he's always been a malcontent. and that's just life. >> what did you think when you saw him calling you a mall content? >> well, i mean, that wasn't the first time. i just thought, yeah, that's so him. >> henley was ready to leave it at that, almost. >> can i elaborate on the malcontent?

>> glenn and i both, when we detect dishonesty and unfairness, we are malcontents, as we should be. and we smelled a rat pretty early on. so if that makes me a malcontent, then i'll own it it. >> the history tour was a huge success for of the eagles. grossing more than $250 million. so if the other guys want to do another tour, are you going to answer that call? >> probably. because i think that we will eventually in the next couple of years actually come to the end of it. so i don't want to be the one to call it off. i think glenn will probably be the one to call off the eagles thing. i think it will be his decision when it's time to stop. i'll leave that to him. >> can you imagine ending it? >> yeah, i can. i'll be okay with that.

i mean, i don't really like the limelight, you know. i never have. but i have to sell this album. >> resuming his own success self career has meant returning to cass county where he started a foundation to preserve caddo lake. and to lindez you used to spend a lot of time to the movie theater. henley, lives several hours away in dallas with his wife and three children, bought the land the theater used to stand on. >> one night i came i saw the blob. >> the blob? >> then i had to talk home. >> he also owns the barbershop and several other buildings. so feels like you own almost half the town. >> yeah. there's one born every minute.

>> there's got to be a mart of you are trying to hold ton something here. >> yeah, i'm not sure what it is. there's that great quote from t.s.eliot we shall not ceas fresh exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to return where we started and know the place for the f first time. >> he bought those buildings to help his hometown. but this farm land, henry says, he bought for himself and his family. >> this is going be my retirement place. >> it is? >> partly, at least, yeah. where i want to have the corn field. >> after a life in the fast lane, don henley is finding his way home. >> my big dream that i hope to accomplish in the next few years is to have a corn field like my father had. that was my field of dreams when i was growing up.

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1.5 million people. and that's not the intimidating part of the gig. one of the audience members will be pope francis. i'm catholic. a practicing catholic and my wife will tell you i need the practice. i hope the pope understands. the pope is known throughout the world and the spiritual leader of over a billion catholics. that's right, pope francis is bigger than justin bieber. i guess could you say the pope is like a catholic super hero. he's got the cape, the hat. his car is even called the pope mobile. pop is a tough job, we photo is a tough job because the last pope quit. i'm done. i'm out of here. and everyone in the vatican was like, uh, you're supposed to speak for god until you die. the pope was like, god told me to quit. and to eat more cheese. most of us don't even have pope

i wonder if when pope francis was growing up he fantasized about being pope. about being professional athlete, was he eight years old in his back yard? there he is, the leader of all the catholics. what a pop. what a pope. wouldn't it be great to end up be pope. your son is a doctor? sours pope. yours has a nice house. our son has his own city. it's in europe. it would have been weird to go somebody did. somebody was sitting at home in argentina watching tv. wait a minute, that guy is pope? it's not easy being catholic today in america. it's a little like being cubs fan for the last hundred years. love the team, not crazy about some of the management we've had. pope francis is looking to change.

that upon his election pope francis didn't move into the palace but simple boarding house. pope francis washed the feet of strangers. it doesn't get any more humble than that. by the wayf you are going to wash a stranger's feet, ask permission first. and remove their shoes. i learned that the hard way. pope francis also calls people on the telephone. i don't know why you would believe it's the pope. hello? this is the pope. oh, can you hold? i have spider-man on the other line. while pope francis is warm and genuine, i believe the thing catholics and non-catholics respond to most is his humility. this age of putin, isis and trump, it's so nice to hear a world leader say, who am i to judge? >> osgood: coming up.

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he's a man on a mission. >> to describe alex gibney as proceed live sick an understatement. he has made 14 documentaries in just five years. exploring what one reporter calls, the porous boundaries between good and bad. his subjects range from enron -- >> it has taken enron 16 years to go from about 10 billion in as stoats 65 in assets. took them 24 days to go bankrupt. >> to the fall of former new york governor, eliott spitzer. >> my view is i brought myself down. and i will not try to blame others or excuse my behavior. i did what i did. and shame on me. >> now in his crosshairs, steve jobs. >> do you think early on steve

could be the guy? >> definitely. spend few minutes with him you knew it. he had the ability to talk about the possibility of what this computer could be. >> when the apple ceo died in 2011, gibney says he was intrigued by the outpouring of grief over jobs' death. that led to "steve jobs: the man in the machine." >> i was haunted by a question, which was, when he died, why was it that so many people who didn't know him wept all over the world? he was the ceo of the world's most valuable corporation and when ceos of big corporations die you don't usually see people around the world lighting candles for them. i looked at a guy who started out very much as a renegade wanting to stick it to the man and ended up becoming the man himself. >> which has come to define your target area.

what did steve jobs do to get on your list? >> well, i didn't set out to stick it to steve jobs. we could sort of influence the world -- >> but the document stare an unvarnished portrait of a visionary, who, by all accounts, was a fiercely competitive businessman. >> it becomes very god father-esque. you're part of my family. an sell my family. you don't want to leave my family. at the end, if you choose to leave my family, should you decide to take so much as one member of my family away from ly i will personally take you down. >> after all this is a man who for years denied the paternity of his eldest daughter. >> she got pregnant. and steve just was not -- it's not me, it's not me. even though that was not a

>> yet, steve jobs is the man who brought us all things "i" from the ipod to the ipad and the iphone. >> i think it it was great contribution in a positive sense was introducing us to these machines and saying, they're not just tools, they can be an extension of yourself. >> the 61-year-old gibney says he prefers his characters and stories more grey than black and white. >> i think about things like living a lie. i didn't live a lot of lies but i lived one big one. >> you were rolling on one film and then suddenly, what happened? >> we had a film that was a kind of heroic come-back story. lance armstrong comes back after many years and as an old man kicks the butt of all the young

>> i like to win. more than anything i can't stand the idea of losing to me -- >> the look in his eye. >> then a funny thing happened. whoopz i lied. >> i lied. not only did i lie but i lied the biggest lie could you possibly image. it wasn't just a little bit of dope here and there i ran a doping program that was there from the start. and even worse, he was the hero to all these cancer survivors. and to find out that actually he was trafficking on their hope and their pain in a way to ennoble himself. that was the real crime. >> so this is jigsaw. >> jigsaw is the name of his production company. >> i'm kind of a puzzle freak. >> gibney is the son of a journalist he says had a deep seated distrust of authority.

>> they say to succeed you're supposed to suck up to and kick down he was the classic guy that sucked down and kicked up. path. >> he was a time. >> then fired. "newsweek," fired. at life, fired. >> still frank gibney seems to have been a big influence on his son along with gibney's step father, theologians william sloan coffin. >> something about my father, my mother then my step father, they all rudderred against authority in their own peculiar ways. and that probably rubbed off on me, too. >> alex gibney won an oscar in 2008 for "taxi to the dark side" unflinching look at america's use of torture in the post 9/11 world. >> about a week later, something is going to happen now. two prisoners die within a week of each other, that's bad. >> his film about the catholic

sexual abuse earned him two emmy awards. >> before i had this idea that we had treatment centers around the world for priests to go to when they sexually molested, raped, sodomized kids. >> earlier this year he turned his focus on the religion of tom cruise and john travolta, in hbo's "going clear: scientology and the prison of belief." >> to understand scientology, you have to understand the life and mind of the inventor. >> gibney often narrates his own work, putting himself in the line of fire. the church of scientology took out a full page newspaper ad denouncing him and his film. how you've been described, cool customer. kind of fearless. you are unafraid to be -- take on bullies who have a reputation

you're not afraid of that? >> you'd be crazy not to be a little bit afraid of that. but if you're too afraid, you're frozen. that's how the bullies win. if you don't stand up they get away with murder. >> from his office with his view of manhattan, alex gibney is a man on a mission. >> bullies make me angry. >> they make you so angry i think your face got a little bit me angry. >> maybe so. that's one of the reasons i chose the scientology film, that's a film about bullies. how innocent people who want to better their lives are basically manipulated and bullied by a few people in rather brutal ways. so that's what gets me motivated. that's what gets me up in the morning. >> last week, going clear, won three emmy awards among them the

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>> osgood: here is a look at the week ahead on sour sunday morning calendar. monday kicks off employ older workers week, which recognizes the increasing role played by american workers 55 and older. tuesday is world rhino day. a call for action to protect the loss. on wednesday, singer bruce springsteen celebrates his 66th birthday. thursday is the second annual young arts awareness day. meant to encourage artists between the ages of 15 and 18 to develop their talent. on friday president obama

jinping to the white house as he begins his official state visit. saturday is national public lands day. a day for volunteers to help clean up and maintain our national parks, forests and other public lands. now to john dickerson in wash for a look what's ahead. >> dickerson: good morning, charles. we'll talk to hillary clinton the first time she's been on sunday show for four years. then we'll talk to republican candidate rand paul. >> osgood: thank you, john, we'll be watching. next week here on "sunday

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